sick of the negativity
John Boyer
Three cheers for the Dark Lady...you have my support. Your
points are well taken and truthful.
drag...@msn.com (John C. Boyer)
DarkLady wrote in message <01bce24e$8c75fb40$6572d4cd@trish>...
>I just signed up for this newsgroup and, despite all the on-line advice,
>I'm going to (obviously) post to it immediatly.
>
>As a Corrections Officer for the state of Ohio, I am SO sick of hearing
>what a horrible breed we are and how bad we mistreat the prisoners! I am
>certainly NOT saying we are all saints, as everyone knows this is not the
>case any where on this planet! But for Gods' sake....the INMATES ARE NOT
>SAINTS EITHER!!!
>
>Let's look at some of the inmate complalaints:1)horrible food....true, the
>menu may not contain steak and lobster everyday (do YOU have that
>everyday?) but the ingredients are not all that bad....either eggs,
>pancakes, waffles or french toast everyday for breakfast...that's the main
>course, add to that the fruit, coffee, milk and cold cereal. Lunch and
>dinner are varied with pasta, pork, beef and chicken rotated on a regular
>basis. Now, the inmates always complain about how rotten it is. Who do they
>have to blame? THEMSELVES.....inmates do the cooking! And GET PAID for
>it!!! As far as the cleanliness of the food service area (which is another
>BIG complaint) once again, who is to blame? You got it...inmates who are
>being paid for the job! The inmates should not complain about the staff
>(who are outnumbered in food service alone by about 100 to 1 per shift)
>they should complain about their fellow inmates! 2)abusive staff....ok,
>this is the biggie, right? The stories you are hearing about abusive staff
>come from incarcerated inmates. Incarcerated because they commited a
>felony. When they commited that felony were they thinking about who they
>were wronging? I won't go into the mothers, daughters, grandmothers, aunts,
>fathers, sons, grandfathers, uncles, cousins who were affected by these
>crimes for the rest of their lives, that all goes without being said. As
>humans, they do deserve to be treated as such, BUT, they should not be
>catered to! I ask you, do you have to go to work everyday facing assult or
>even death? The assults are not just the kicks, punches, stab wounds that
>the media thrives on. The assults are the name calling (I've lost count of
>the different number of bitches I am) the bodily fluids thrown and spit at
>us (sometimes HIV positive, sometimes not) the threats to "get" us and our
>families, and a myriad of others. Sure, you're going to say the average Joe
>on the street goes through this everyday, read the papers right? NO! Every
>single day Correction Officers are assulted, nearly every single Officer
>endures some sort of assult every day!! Are you aware of this? Do you care?
>
> Not even 1/100th of us are the "bad CO" portrayed by the media. We are
>people just like you that have to have a job to support our families. We do
>what no one else wants to do. Check out the overtime rates if you don't
>believe me, it's been in the news enough recently. The state has been
>paying enormous amounts for overtime because the prisons don't have enough
>staff. It is hard to find the qualified people to work in our prisons
>because of all the assults and recent deaths. Believe me when I tell you
>that we are not an abusive group. We want the bad officers out of our
>prisons even more than you do because they jeopordize OUR lives daily!! We
>go to work everyday hoping for a peaceful day. Sometimes we get it, most of
>the time we don't. We work in a thankless job. We are always in the hot
>seat, often portrayed worse than the inmates. Oh, as far as the overtime
>rates go, I'm sure you'll say cut staff right? Any idea what the current
>staff/inmate ratio per shift is? About 1/125. Come on now, as an average
>Joe, wouldn't that scare you? You against 125 felons convicted in the state
>of Ohio for doing something .... and often guilty but not convicted of a
>multitude of other crimes. Yes, it is true that there are a few inmates in
>our prisons that are there wrongly, but NOT MANY!!!
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>OK, I'm off my high horse now. I just wish all these people that judge us
>in our jobs would walk the probverbial mile in our shoes before doing so.
>There is a whole lot more I could say on the subject, but I will hold that
>for now.
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>As for my introduction, I am a 28 year old female who has been working in
>the same prison for 6 1/2 years. I enjoy my job, am good at my job, and
>wish to dispell some of the negative sterotypes that go with my job.
>Incidentally I'm also Pagan and would be interested to know if any of you
>are as well.
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advocate
DarkLady wrote:
(dribble praising guard suckers deleted)
> Incidentally I'm also Pagan and would be interested to know if any of you
> are as well.
Seems like a trend! Of course pagans' and hamburger flippers both may
have same problem finding legitimate work.
John Boyer
Well Dark Lady...I told you this would happen. You have
just met the "advocate". He is actually the best the liberal group has to
offer, so you should be pleased that they rolled out the best and the most
eloquent of their spokesman to answer you! We can now all add "Pagan" to
his list of claimed affiliations. Talk about an identity crisis! As you
can see he feels that law enforcement staff who work our jails and prisons
are the equivalent to high paid burger flippers.
Have fun responding to him...he's at his best when the
medication kicks in!!!--
drag...@msn.com (John C. Boyer)
advocate wrote in message <345357...@rocketmail.com>...
Rasputin
On Sun, 26 Oct 1997 14:46:59 +0000, advocate <advo...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
>DarkLady wrote:
>(dribble praising guard suckers deleted)
>> Incidentally I'm also Pagan and would be interested to know if any of you
>> are as well.
>
>Seems like a trend! Of course pagans' and hamburger flippers both may
>have same problem finding legitimate work.
(couldn't let this one get away)
Exactly what is legitimate work? Probably what you do for a living,
right? Some how I doubt it! I just wish you'd find a job somewhere
adcat! Just because BK won't hire you, I'm sure there is suitable work
somewhere for you! Ask if you can sweep their floors or take out their
garbage!
Raz
RevJimS
In article <01bce24e$8c75fb40$6572d4cd@trish>, "DarkLady"
<tr...@bright.net> writes:
>
>OK, I'm off my high horse now. I just wish all these people that judge us
>in our jobs would walk the probverbial mile in our shoes before doing so.
>There is a whole lot more I could say on the subject, but I will hold that
>for now.
>
>
Dark Lady: Welcome to the NG. Your post was too long for me to respond
to every single point, and I agree that you are on target with some of what
you say. I would like to respond to 3 points, however.
1) Inmates do cook the meals, as you said, and do get paid for it. Now
let's tell everyone how much they get paid - from 13 to 23 cents an hour.
Now when HB 111 passes, as expected, out of that pittance, inmates will
have to pay for their medical care and prescriptions, and in some
instances, the cost of their incarceration. I am not against the idea of
payments, but it shouldn't be levied against the indigent inmates. If a
millionaire becomes an inmate, then collect from him.
2) We do receive reports of excessive violence by COs in certain
specific, limited instances (i.e., the DR riot), but we also receive
confirming info on these same incidents from the wardens, from attorneys,
from prison chaplains, from other COs, from the Highway Patrol, from
indictments, pleas and trials of COs, from independent investigators
appointed by the courts, and from FBI investigations.
We all know, or should know, that not all COs are bad, just as not all
prisoners are scumbags. Every person is different from every other person.
COs and support staff are doing their job in an extremely hostile
environment, and sometimes, someone loses his or her temper too quickly.
Sometimes there is actual corruption. It happens, hopefully it's
identified and dealt with. When I raised a specific question about this
last month, the overwhelming majority of COs responding stated that they
wanted bad COs dealt with administratively or by prosecution, to protect
the integrity of their profession. I completely agree with that, and feel
the same way about my profession, as a prison chaplain - when a chaplainis
caught breaking the rules, then deal with him - prosecute or whatever is
appropriate.
3) We all know what the problems are - overcrowding, superflops, lack of
sufficient rehab programs, old decaying buildings, poor medical care.
Those are the issues that OSPOC is working on. The planned work stoppage
or disturbance on Nov 1 is being condemned by every prison advocacy group
in the state, and we are all advising inmates to not participate.
OSPOC is the Ohio state Penal Oversight Committee, an organization of
about 60 ministers, attorneys, judges and advocates who try to identify
problems with Ohio's prison and jail systems, and resolve the problems in
an amicable manner. We investigate inmate complaints quite thoroughly, and
although we receive about 150 complaints a month, we only accept about 10 a
month as legitimate. We do know how to see through inmate BS and
"Jailhouse Christians". We are warning the inmates we currently have as
clients that if they participate in the Nov 1 disturbance, we will drop
them as a client, and we will not assist any inmate who participates in the
disturbance if they approach us afterward. We *** always *** tell inmates
to obey the rules of the institution.
As for me, I am a volunteer jail & prison chaplain, I am my church's
Director of Prison Ministries, I am the co-chair of OSPOC, I am an advocate
for improved conditions for *all* who work and live in prisons, and I am an
ex-offender who did time at FMC Lexington. So I have a pretty good idea of
what's really going on inside.
I am hoping and praying that the disturbance does not happen on Nov 1. If
it does, please be careful. We do not need *any* injuries or deaths,
including COs, support staff and inmates.
Again, welcome to the NG :>)
Rev Jim
Rev. James M. Sutter, D.D., D.B., C.P.M.
Associate Pastor, Doers of the Word Baptist Fellowship Church
Cleveland, OH, USA
email to: rev...@sprynet.com
http://members.aol.com/RevJimS/index.html
.
cat...@netimation.com
In article <345357...@rocketmail.com>,
advo...@rocketmail.com wrote:
>
> DarkLady wrote:
> (dribble praising guard suckers deleted)
> > Incidentally I'm also Pagan and would be interested to know if any of you
> > are as well.
>
> Seems like a trend! Of course pagans' and hamburger flippers both may
> have same problem finding legitimate work.
Adcat....(BOO!!!)
You really are afraid of the ranks of the pagans (such as we are) in this
world aren't you.... Your fear is apparent and your angst is showing.
Welcome to the NG DarkLady... don't mind Adcat, his blinders are firmly
glued in place!
Tay
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John Boyer
In response to Cathbad and Rasputin on the Advocate:
...three cheers for you! I must admit I'm actually getting to like the
Advocate! He has a great sense of humor...now that polarbear canadian
clown is another story...
--
drag...@msn.com (John C. Boyer)
to...@tgtel.com
In article <OtlY1fl48GA.148@upnetnews03>,
"John Boyer" <drag...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Three cheers for the Dark Lady...you have my support. Your
> points are well taken and truthful.
> drag...@msn.com (John C. Boyer)
>
> DarkLady wrote in message <01bce24e$8c75fb40$6572d4cd@trish>...
> >I just signed up for this newsgroup and, despite all the on-line advice,
> >I'm going to (obviously) post to it immediatly.
> >
> >As a Corrections Officer for the state of Ohio, I am SO sick of hearing
> >what a horrible breed we are and how bad we mistreat the prisoners! I am
> >certainly NOT saying we are all saints, as everyone knows this is not the
> >case any where on this planet! But for Gods' sake....the INMATES ARE NOT
> >SAINTS EITHER!!!
Never claimed that all prisoners are saints. However, they aren't all
devils either.
> >
> >Let's look at some of the inmate complalaints:1)horrible food....true, the
> >menu may not contain steak and lobster everyday (do YOU have that
> >everyday?) but the ingredients are not all that bad....either eggs,
> >pancakes, waffles or french toast everyday for breakfast...that's the main
> >course, add to that the fruit, coffee, milk and cold cereal. Lunch and
> >dinner are varied with pasta, pork, beef and chicken rotated on a regular
> >basis.
Hmmmm....I think their point about bad food, which Reggie Wilkinson
agreed with in his decision to change the menu is that too often the food
is starchy and poorly prepared because the non-prisoner supervisors are
allowing the prisoners to barter the food or bartering it themselves. OK
-- a problem because the portions are or were so small. A problem
being addressed finally. Of course, this varies from institutions
according to the integrity of the supervisor and the cleverness of the
prisoners. But food isn't really that big a gripe in Ohio. It is the
damn overcrowded conditions which you have to work in. 136% capacity and
some prisons juggle figures to hide the fact they go over that. Do you
feel safe working in these sardine cans?
2)abusive staff....ok,
> >this is the biggie, right? The stories you are hearing about abusive staff
> >come from incarcerated inmates. Incarcerated because they commited a
> >felony. When they commited that felony were they thinking about who they
> >were wronging?
Oh, so you are saying then that because they "abused" someone, they get
abused it is ok?
I won't go into the mothers, daughters, grandmothers, aunts,
> >fathers, sons, grandfathers, uncles, cousins who were affected by these
> >crimes for the rest of their lives, that all goes without being said.
What about the mothers, daughters, grandmothers, aunts, fathers, sons,
grandfathers, uncles, cousins of the prisoner who have to visit their
loved ones year after year inside prisons because of the APA refusing to
parole minor criminals? OK that is not your forte, but it is a BIG cause
of all the problems OHio prisons are facing now and the reason for the
called for work stoppage.
As
> >humans, they do deserve to be treated as such, BUT, they should not be
> >catered to!
Explain catered to -- does being turned away from medical care by a nurse
who won;t take the time to read a chart qualify as catered to? Does
having rule changes every time a new unit manager or staff personel
appears out of nowhere to dominate every aspect of your life with their
whims or prejudices qualify as catered to? Does being denied access to
legal materials to do your case work with qualify as catered to? Does
having to strip down to the bare necessities of life every time a loved
one visits and having your body invaded describe catered to? Let's put
things in perspective here. Decent, edible food, that is nutritious is
not catering, neither is allowing the prisoner his few remaining
constitutional rights catered to. That is simple human decency.
I ask you, do you have to go to work everyday facing assult or
> >even death? The assults are not just the kicks, punches, stab wounds that
> >the media thrives on. The assults are the name calling (I've lost count of
> >the different number of bitches I am) the bodily fluids thrown and spit at
> >us (sometimes HIV positive, sometimes not) the threats to "get" us and our
> >families, and a myriad of others. Sure, you're going to say the average Joe
> >on the street goes through this everyday, read the papers right? NO! Every
> >single day Correction Officers are assulted, nearly every single Officer
> >endures some sort of assult every day!! Are you aware of this? Do you care?
> >
Surprise -- YES I DO CARE!! I know your job is stressful and it takes a
large toll on you to work in an institution. For whatever reason, you
chose to be there. Name calling is unfortunate, but it is part of prison
life. And it is no worse than what is heard on many school yards today.
As for the fluids being thrown on you, there is now an Ohio law
prohibiting that, making it a felony for any person in an institution to
have body fluids thrown on him/her. It is there to protect you from
those who do assault you in such a way, but also there for the porter,
the prisoner in the yard fight, etc. Use the law. No one wants you to
be at risk of getting AIDS, TB, or Herpes. So, encourage the
administration to carry out those tests on prisoners to determine if
carriers are going undetected.
I am sure the threats to get you and your family are distressing.
However, this is the environment and it has always been the environment.
I am not asking for the public to feel sorry for prisoners; only that the
public not allow cruel and unfair treatment to continue for a class of
people that it unthinkingly judges to be not worthy of humane treatment.
> > Not even 1/100th of us are the "bad CO" portrayed by the media. We are
> >people just like you that have to have a job to support our families. We do
> >what no one else wants to do. Check out the overtime rates if you don't
> >believe me, it's been in the news enough recently. The state has been
> >paying enormous amounts for overtime because the prisons don't have enough
> >staff. It is hard to find the qualified people to work in our prisons
> >because of all the assults and recent deaths.
Ohio is boasting it has a 6.+ to 1 ratio of prisoner to CO. With 14,000
employees in DRC, and a good percentage of that as COs, and more needed,
don't you think the thing to do is to force the APA to change its
paroling practices so that the non-troublemakers, flopped again and again
for no other reason than the Board thinks they should do more time to
satisfy a vengeful public, can be released to start supporting their
families and paying taxes?? Com'on now -- the ration is so high because
of the flopping and it doesn't need to continue. When is the guard union
going to use their clout to bring the APA in line??
Believe me when I tell you
> >that we are not an abusive group. We want the bad officers out of our
> >prisons even more than you do because they jeopordize OUR lives daily!!
ABSOLUTELY!! SO, get rid of them!!
We
> >go to work everyday hoping for a peaceful day. Sometimes we get it, most of
> >the time we don't. We work in a thankless job. We are always in the hot
> >seat, often portrayed worse than the inmates.
I have never seen a CO, even one who was proven guilty of abuse, termed
as negatively or as unremittingly bad as most prisoners.
Oh, as far as the overtime
> >rates go, I'm sure you'll say cut staff right? Any idea what the current
> >staff/inmate ratio per shift is? About 1/125. Come on now, as an average
> >Joe, wouldn't that scare you? You against 125 felons convicted in the state
> >of Ohio for doing something .... and often guilty but not convicted of a
> >multitude of other crimes. Yes, it is true that there are a few inmates in
> >our prisons that are there wrongly, but NOT MANY!!!
> >
> >OK, I'm off my high horse now. I just wish all these people that judge us
> >in our jobs would walk the probverbial mile in our shoes before doing so.
Are you so equitable with prisoners? Do you walk a mile in their shoes
in your interactions with them? I am not accusing; I am asking.
> >There is a whole lot more I could say on the subject, but I will hold that
> >for now.
Please say more.
> >
> >As for my introduction, I am a 28 year old female who has been working in
> >the same prison for 6 1/2 years. I enjoy my job, am good at my job, and
> >wish to dispell some of the negative sterotypes that go with my job.
> >Incidentally I'm also Pagan and would be interested to know if any of you
> >are as well.
> >
> >That's all for now. (Wasn't that enough?!)
A good intro. Look forward to more of your comments and opinions, Dark
Lady. So do be careful this weekend esp. and remember -- that prisoner
is someone's loved one, too.
> >http://members.tripod.com/~ohfads/index.htm
>http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/4323 >
> > DarkLady
Lara Johnson
John Boyer wrote:
>
> Three cheers for the Dark Lady...you have my support. Your
> points are well taken and truthful.
> drag...@msn.com (John C. Boyer)
>
> DarkLady wrote in message <01bce24e$8c75fb40$6572d4cd@trish>...
> >I just signed up for this newsgroup and, despite all the on-line advice,
> >I'm going to (obviously) post to it immediatly.
> >
> >As a Corrections Officer for the state of Ohio, I am SO sick of hearing
> >what a horrible breed we are and how bad we mistreat the prisoners! I am
> >certainly NOT saying we are all saints, as everyone knows this is not the
> >case any where on this planet! But for Gods' sake....the INMATES ARE NOT
> >SAINTS EITHER!!!
> >
> >menu may not contain steak and lobster everyday (do YOU have that
> >everyday?) but the ingredients are not all that bad....either eggs,
> >pancakes, waffles or french toast everyday for breakfast...that's the main
> >course, add to that the fruit, coffee, milk and cold cereal. Lunch and
> >dinner are varied with pasta, pork, beef and chicken rotated on a regular
> >have to blame? THEMSELVES.....inmates do the cooking! And GET PAID for
> >it!!!
14cents an hour!!! Do you call that 'getting paid'? Or slave labour?
As far as the cleanliness of the food service area (which is another
> >BIG complaint) once again, who is to blame? You got it...inmates who are
> >being paid for the job! The inmates should not complain about the staff
> >(who are outnumbered in food service alone by about 100 to 1 per shift)
> >they should complain about their fellow inmates! 2)abusive staff....ok,
> >this is the biggie, right? The stories you are hearing about abusive staff
> >come from incarcerated inmates. Incarcerated because they commited a
> >felony.
I beg your pardon... my husband did not commit a felony, and both the
District Attorney and the parole board have admitted that they know he
did not, and he has been incarcerated for 14 years!!!
When they commited that felony were they thinking about who they
> >were wronging? I won't go into the mothers, daughters, grandmothers, aunts,
> >fathers, sons, grandfathers, uncles, cousins who were affected by these
> >crimes for the rest of their lives, that all goes without being said. As
> >humans, they do deserve to be treated as such, BUT, they should not be
> >catered to!
Yes, I agree they should not be catered to, but they should be treated
as humans, just the same as they should treat guards as humans...
somewhere respect and dignity should start!
I ask you, do you have to go to work everyday facing assult or
> >even death? The assults are not just the kicks, punches, stab wounds that
> >the media thrives on. The assults are the name calling (I've lost count of
> >the different number of bitches I am) the bodily fluids thrown and spit at
> >us (sometimes HIV positive, sometimes not) the threats to "get" us and our
> >families, and a myriad of others. Sure, you're going to say the average Joe
> >on the street goes through this everyday, read the papers right? NO!
Every
> >single day Correction Officers are assulted, nearly every single Officer
> >endures some sort of assult every day!! Are you aware of this? Do you care?
Yes, I do care, but you happen to have the gun on your holster, you
happen to have the power. You should not be assaulted, but you (or
others in uniforms the same as you) do the same, swear at inmates and
their families, etc etc....
> > Not even 1/100th of us are the "bad CO" portrayed by the media. We are
> >people just like you that have to have a job to support our families.
I think it is a bit more than that.....
We do
> >what no one else wants to do. Check out the overtime rates if you don't
> >believe me, it's been in the news enough recently. The state has been
> >paying enormous amounts for overtime because the prisons don't have enough
> >staff. It is hard to find the qualified people to work in our prisons
> >because of all the assults and recent deaths.
It is also because the prisons focus on revenge and humiliation and not
on real rehabilitation.. when it did focus on rehabilitation, recidivism
was much lower.. give inmates something to look forward to and to work
towards, but instead the BOP tries to make their lives such a horrific
mess that they lose hope... when a person loses hope - then he does not
think anymore, and has nothing to live for, and then a guards life means
nothing to him... but if he is encouraged to make himself into something
better etc... then he has a life to look forward to...
Its your decision - why was the Cdc guards association the largest
campaign contributor for the 3 strikes law? Because it guaranteed them
more prisoners and therefore guaranteed their jobs.... for life!!!
Believe me when I tell you
> >that we are not an abusive group. We want the bad officers out of our
> >prisons even more than you do because they jeopordize OUR lives daily!!
Well good then why dont we work together... But I have been abused by
some of them... and they are not nice people!!
Come on now, as an average
> >Joe, wouldn't that scare you? You against 125 felons convicted in the state
> >of Ohio for doing something .... and often guilty but not convicted of a
> >multitude of other crimes. Yes, it is true that there are a few inmates in
> >our prisons that are there wrongly, but NOT MANY!!!
We have to disagree on this one, mate... there are many rude, corrupt
guards and there are many prisoners who are innocent, and there are also
many people on the outside (white collar criminals) who deserve a bit of
prison time....
I heard a rumour, maybe somebody can verify it for me.. I heard that
most of the california wardens of prisons were millionaires? Also did
you all know that when prisoners make a collect phone-call, that the
prison makes quite a large bit of money from that call... I called MCI
to find out why their rates were so expensive! Well they informed me,
their rates were normal for collect calls, the astronomical charges on
top of that went to the prison!!!! Interesting!
> >OK, I'm off my high horse now. I just wish all these people that judge us
> >in our jobs would walk the probverbial mile in our shoes before doing so.
> >There is a whole lot more I could say on the subject, but I will hold that
> >for now.
Same as I wish that some of these guards would not judge every prisoner
as a guilty rapist.. and maybe walk the proverbial mile in their
shoes...
Guess we shall have to agree to disagree..
I am not a pagan... I belive in god..
Lara
advocate
Lara Johnson wrote:
> Its your decision - why was the Cdc guards association the largest
> campaign contributor for the 3 strikes law? Because it guaranteed them
> more prisoners and therefore guaranteed their jobs.... for life!!!
Yes its difficult to tell the guard's union from the governor's office.
Oh yes, they are the one's writing the checks.
> I heard a rumour, maybe somebody can verify it for me.. I heard that
> most of the california wardens of prisons were millionaires?
let's just say they earn six figure incomes, get huge retirement
benefits, allegedly enjoy the service of maintenance staff (not
prisoners) for work on their homes, get preferential hires for
relatives, kickbacks, and can go work for CALPERS as a Director (the
state pension fund) or a Board of Prison Terms commissioner while double
dipping into their retirment monies.
Also did
> you all know that when prisoners make a collect phone-call, that the
> prison makes quite a large bit of money from that call... I called MCI
> to find out why their rates were so expensive! Well they informed me,
> their rates were normal for collect calls, the astronomical charges on
> top of that went to the prison!!!! Interesting!
Must be all those calls to lawyers filing lawsuits. Actually, ever
wonder why the prisons are so remote and how LA prisoners are usually
sent far from home?
John Boyer
Lara...if your husband has been locked up for the last
14yrs. as you claim, I'll bet those years away from you have been the
quietest years of his life!!!!!!!
drag...@msn.com (John C. Boyer)
DarkLady
Lara Johnson <ljan...@concentric.net> wrote in article
<345AA8...@concentric.net>...
> Same as I wish that some of these guards would not judge every prisoner
> as a guilty rapist.. and maybe walk the proverbial mile in their
> shoes...
Lara,
This is the only line of your response that I am going to repost, I think
those long posts that have everything everyone has said are too long and
lose others except the two interested parties. I assume that you are saying
that not all Officers should judge inmates to be guilty. I certainly don't
understand this statement. Are you saying that no inmate in any prison
should be there? None are guilty? I would suggest to you that you read the
daily newspapers or watch the evening news. Horrific things are being done
to our neighbors and children everyday. Who is doing these things? (or do
you think it's a massive conspiracy by the corrections department and
officers are committing all these crimes and having innocents set up for
them so we have job security?)
I will not go into verbal acrobatics with you. We could continue this post
and repost probably forever, neither of us are going to change our views.
DarkLady
WHS
cat...@netimation.com wrote:
> In article <345357...@rocketmail.com>,
> advo...@rocketmail.com wrote:
> >
> > DarkLady wrote:
> > (dribble praising guard suckers deleted)
> > > Incidentally I'm also Pagan and would be interested to know if any
> of you
> > > are as well.
> >
> > Seems like a trend! Of course pagans' and hamburger flippers both
> may
> > have same problem finding legitimate work.
>
> Adcat....(BOO!!!)
>
> You really are afraid of the ranks of the pagans (such as we are) in
> this
> world aren't you.... Your fear is apparent and your angst is showing.
>
> Welcome to the NG DarkLady... don't mind Adcat, his blinders are
> firmly
> glued in place!
>
> Tay
>
AdCat isn't wearing blinders. However, since he is always going wherever
he is bound ass-backwards, all he has is hindsight.