Just Curious
Brenda Twyford
rasputin wrote:
>
> There are many regular posters to this group. I am sure that at one
> time or another, each has noted their background/involvement that lead
> them to this group. For those who wish, would you mind telling us what
> you do and/or what lead you to this group. Just an idea so that we
> might know better, who we are discussing with.
>
>
> The Mad Monk says
> "This ain't no party
> This ain't no disco
> This ain't no fooling around"
> Talking Heads
I'm game, I am interested myself in the backgrounds of some of the
regular posters. I am 39 years old and grew up in the midwest. I have a
Brother that is currently incarcerated in an Iowa correction facility.
He is a very bright individual, he was an AS400 operator for a large
computer company prior to his incarceration. He is probably one of the
kindest people I know he has always helped the underdog. He has 3
children and a wife who have returned to the east coast as he recieved a
10 and a 5 year consecutive sentence. He has expressed some of the
things that have occurred to him and others while incarcerated and I am
concerned for him as well as other inmates.
Many things have changed for him as well as his entire family my mother
spent thousands of dollars for attorneys. It takes our whole family to
assist in the support of his wife and kids as well as send him money for
items. We try to go see him every 4-5 weeks It is about a 6 hour drive.
He has been incarcerated for 2 years this november however the first
year was in county jail, which was living hell, I didn't think he was
going to make it through that one!
My brother is not blaming anyone but himself for his incarceration has
not had any write ups since he was incarcerated, and has a great
attitude. I am thankful that the guards are not aggressive within this
facility but they were in the county jail and at any time things could
change. I am proud of my brother in spite of where he is, he is a great
person and has tremendous inner-strength. It has torn my family
apart not by putting a wedge between anyone but as long as he is
incarcerated we are not really complete at family outings etc. just
suffering I guess.
If anyone out there has no compassion for inmates they have not been
personally involved or are just non-feeling in general. I do understand
the position that some of the guards find themselves in and feel that is
the entire enviornment of the prison systems that creates the
hopelessness and hate! I have always been interested in critical issues
and I believe that even if my brother were not incarcerated I would be
involved due to the lack of human rights. I believe it is never to late
to be what you could have been.
I hope to see some more posts and I also have a question does anyone
know if you are serving a sentence consecutively what that means
exactly? The 85% law is not applicable to his time and does county jail
time take off your total time?
Brenda
rasputin
ROBKABOB 1
rasputin wrote:>There are many regular posters to this group. I am sure
that at one
>time or another, each has noted their background/involvement that lead
>them to this group. For those who wish, would you mind telling us
>what
>you do and/or what lead you to this group. Just an idea so that we
>might know better, who we are discussing with.
c/o, california,
a.a. and b.a. in psychology.
member of hostage negotiation team,
originally, i came to this n.g. to hear what both sides were saying, now i
come here because it's like watching a soap opera. it's addicting, and i
gotta see who's bashing who this week.
cn
rasputin <rasp...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> There are many regular posters to this group. I am sure that at one
> time or another, each has noted their background/involvement that lead
> them to this group. For those who wish, would you mind telling us what
> you do and/or what lead you to this group. Just an idea so that we
> might know better, who we are discussing with.
>
>
> The Mad Monk says
> "This ain't no party
> This ain't no disco
> This ain't no fooling around"
> Talking Heads
Well, I am a CO at a medium security prison.
CN
ha...@hotmail.com
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> From: robk...@aol.com (ROBKABOB 1)
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> Subject: Re: Just Curious
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> rasputin wrote:>There are many regular posters to this
group. I am sure
> that at one
> >time or another, each has noted their
background/involvement that lead
> >them to this group. For those who wish, would you mind
telling us
>
> >what
> >you do and/or what lead you to this group. Just an idea so
that we
> >might know better, who we are discussing with.
>
> c/o, california,
> a.a. and b.a. in psychology.
> member of hostage negotiation team,
>
> originally, i came to this n.g. to hear what both sides
were saying, now i
> come here because it's like watching a soap opera. it's
addicting, and i
> gotta see who's bashing who this week.
HAT45 RESPONDS.....
Hey Robkabob.....it is interesting that you say that you come
to this NG to view "who is bashing who" when I thought the
intent of any NG is to share opinions. (notice I didn't say
share facts, which seem to be lacking in most NGs).
james noonan
my name is donna...I'm 20 years old, a college student, I began writing
with an individual through an ad in a classical music magazine and after
becoming fast friends found out he was a prisoner...he didn't have much
contact with the outside and our correspondence was of great help to him
and his sanity...after being in jail for almost a year, they discovered
the real guilty party and he was released...we don't correspond too much
know although we do on a regular basis...I just gained access to the web
and stumbled onto this group...still learning about its purpose...
ha...@hotmail.com
HAT45 RESPONDS AGAIN.... I was drawn to this NG to learn and
absorb how a random sample of THINKERS sees the world of the
inmate, the officers, the system, the support staff
(clergy, mental health, etc). In general, I am shocked at
the level of hatred directed at inmates, regardless of their
crimes. But I have come to believe that our society needs a
SCAPEGOAT so inmates have become just that. So, to my
surprise, I am learning not about prisons and inmates, I am
learning about hate in our society.
rasputin
rasp...@mindspring.com (rasputin) wrote:
>There are many regular posters to this group. I am sure that at one
>time or another, each has noted their background/involvement that lead
>them to this group. For those who wish, would you mind telling us what
>you do and/or what lead you to this group. Just an idea so that we
>might know better, who we are discussing with.
>
>
>The Mad Monk says
> "This ain't no party
> This ain't no disco
> This ain't no fooling around"
> Talking Heads
Forgot to mention myself. I am a trainer at southern jail. We have
almost 1000 inmates. I orginally came here with the intention of
sharing ideas with other officers. It has not been that kind of
experience.
RevJimS
In article <33f650e1...@news.gville.mindspring.com>,
rasp...@mindspring.com (rasputin) writes:
>
>There are many regular posters to this group. I am sure that at one
>time or another, each has noted their background/involvement that lead
>them to this group. For those who wish, would you mind telling us what
>you do and/or what lead you to this group. Just an idea so that we
>might know better, who we are discussing with.
>
I am a former federal prisoner at FMC Lexington. I am an ordained
minister, working as a fulltime prison chaplain. I have a Bachelor's in
Prison Evangelism, a Master's in Theology and a Doctorate in Biblical
Studies. I also have training in trauma psychology, conflict resolution,
crisis intervention, suicide prevention and counseling. I am also a
visiting chaplain at 5 Ohio prisons. I am also just newly promoted to
co-chairman of the Ohio state Penal Oversight Committee, a group of about
60 ministers, attorneys and advocates who identify and try to resolve
problems in Ohio's prisons.
I have also just recently been hired to teach Christian Prison Ministry at
a new Baptist seminary in Ohio.
Rev. James M. Sutter, D.D., D.B., C.P.M.
Pastor, Doers of the Word Baptist Fellowship Church
Pastor, ULC of Ohio
Cleveland, Ohio, USA
WEB site at http://members.aol.com/RevJimS/index.html (Revised and
updated 6/97)
Comments always welcome.
RevJimS
In article <01bcabae$5a8a3f00$215b82ce@patkeena>, "Pat Keenan"
<pok...@netroute.net> writes:
>I dont hate inmates as much as I hate the so-called ministers of God that
>come in when young Johnny gets a fancy to get some religion to get him thru
>his bit.I also have no time for ex inmates who are now ministers who got
>their credentials while in jail where everybody inside knows all you gotta
>do is show up. Worst of all are the ex inmates who become ministers only to
>go out and buy pc's so they can sit back and minister in Newsgroups. No
>wait a minute, I think I hate the silly little twirps who are ex inmates,
>and now computerized ministers who insist on those charming little sayings
>after their signature in their thread.
>By and large I am a really nice person when not in uniform or on Alt
>Prison.
>
>
A little bit of bias, perhaps ? For your info, I was ordained and
licensed over a year before I went to prison, and ministers are often
recognized for the positive work they do in prisons to reduce tensions,
fights, and the recidivism rate. Our Ohio governor Voinovich, just 3 weeks
ago, along with Ohio's Superintendant of Prisons, made a nice presentation
to Ohio's prison ministers, praising the ministers for their work inside
prisons.
gackman
> I am a ex convict from a state that will remain unknown (manufacture
> of sched II ), and sometimes feel the need to post in order to clarify
> some misconceptions about prison. I served 5 years in med to max
> institutions around the state. I am currently employed as a chemical
> engineer at a forever anonymous refinery.
maxxxx
Pat Keenan wrote:
>
> > >There are many regular posters to this group. I am sure that at one
> > >time or another, each has noted their background/involvement that lead
> > >them to this group. For those who wish, would you mind telling us what
> > >you do and/or what lead you to this group. Just an idea so that we
> > >might know better, who we are discussing with.
> > >
> >
> to build super jails to warehouse the prisoners and then hand the whole
> thing over to your American company to run privately.
> I have watched over the guilty and the not guilty for almost twenty years
> and yes I have become hardened.
> I dont hate inmates as much as I hate the so-called ministers of God that
> come in when young Johnny gets a fancy to get some religion to get him thru
> his bit.I also have no time for ex inmates who are now ministers who got
> their credentials while in jail where everybody inside knows all you gotta
> do is show up. Worst of all are the ex inmates who become ministers only to
> go out and buy pc's so they can sit back and minister in Newsgroups. No
> wait a minute, I think I hate the silly little twirps who are ex inmates,
> and now computerized ministers who insist on those charming little sayings
> after their signature in their thread.
> By and large I am a really nice person when not in uniform or on Alt
> Prison.
you're even angry at the very few who took a FUCKED up situation and
built something positive around it. With bullshit attitudes such as
yours, it no wonder this "rehabilitation effort" is failing. You've got
a definite problem with misguided people finally finding a purpose and
direction in their lives..I wonder why that is? It's probably because
you know they won't be back for you to control...thats allright though,
that's what the wife and kids are for, right?
And for you trying to convince the readers of this NG and I
quote " By and large I am a really nice person when not in uniform or on
Alt Prison", it sounds like you're trying to convince yourself of
that..'cause I sure don't believe that crap! Thanks for sharing your
views and I'm sure I'll hear from you again.
Yours Truly..........MAXXXX
k.scott molles
I am so glad to here that you offended while a man of the cloth. But I
am sure you only did this to become closer to the poor lost souls that
needed your guidance. I guess if that is the case then we should all
stand up and applaud you.... A Man!!!!!
k.scott molles
Hat45....is your back ground as an inmate????? Sounds like it!
Randy Wood
But you heard the others -- there ARE no innocent people in jail, they've
all been convicted of something, even though not something they've done!
B-)
Randy
ROBKABOB 1
>HAT45 RESPONDS.....
>
>Hey Robkabob.....it is interesting that you say that you come
>to this NG to view "who is bashing who" when I thought the
>intent of any NG is to share opinions. (notice I didn't say
>share facts, which seem to be lacking in most NGs).
yea, your correct. i guess it is here (the ng) to share opinions. some
people tend to take it too personally though (i think).
it is interesting to hear both sides (actually, sometimes 3,4, and 5 sides
sometimes). and i agree that it is lacking facts often, which is why we
should speak from our own experience, and not generalize to EVERY
situation.
Chic Diamond
And if one has one felony conviction;
and not even a parking ticket prior to this.
What conclusion do you come to from this?
Sydni
" By and large I am a really nice person when not in uniform or on
Alt Prison",
officer(s)
personal researched history file before they are promoted. I bet they would
be considering other ways to make a living or feed their family, cause I am
sure that most are already out committing crimes, only they have not been
caught, Yet! This was not my preferred topic for responding finally, but I
am
feeling a lil' confirmation to what most families of or inmates already
know
about the attitudes and disrespect most CO's shove down our necks... BTW,
I have never been convicted of a crime, although It does not mean I have
not
broken any laws, just didn't get caught or maybe NOT!
maxxxx <max...@nugs.com> wrote in article <33F935...@erols.com>...
Cella...@msn.com
In article <5tm1g0$3et$1...@newsd-104.bryant.webtv.net>,
That is an intresting question, since I happen to fall into that
catagory, of a person who has only one felony conviction.
Unfortuneately, that is difficult to assertain, it depends on the
resources that you took into prison, that determines your outcome. If
you have an extensive employment history, have experience in a particular
field, and your felony is not job related, then that you have a better
chance intergrating back into society. But, there are the people like
myself, I'm sure of it, who were arrested very young, (I was 17) and
don't have extensive experience in a particular field. In that case, it
is very difficult for the indivdual to intergrate back into society. In
todays corporate world, where I would find high paying and statsfying
employment, I am excluded from it, because of my conviction. Not becuase
of lack of qualifications, but because of the fear of libality. For any
offender now can be considered a violent offender, me being one, and
because of this, no one is willing to take the chance in the upper
management. For example, a month ago, I had worked as a temporary for a
company for almost 4&1/2 months, during that time I had created a
database, researched and developed procedures to handle inventory and
purchasing, developed a strong repore with most of the vendors (I had
same day call back, where most wouldn't be called for days) etc.. But
when I filled out the application for employment, they did not ask if I
was a convicted felon, so of course, I did not voulnteer it, so when they
did a background check on my work history, they also did one for a
criminal history. I have only been out for 2 years, so of course it
popped up like a rising sun. The people in my immediate working
envionment, the local office people, fought to keep me, but upper
managment decided that irreguardless of my ablities, I was to be refused
employment immediately. This was a 30,000 a year job, starting. This
really pisses me off, because of the fear raised by so many people more
worried about the possiablity of me being violent, that it never even
occured to them to ask what had happened. Now I'm living in a one
beddroom apartment with my mom, with my financee and me living in the
front room, and her being 7 months pregnant. Now this isn't a poor me
thing, I'm just showing what is going on and what can happen. Granted
I'm not working at the moment, but I will find employment sooner or
later, even if I have to do the old causal labor bit untill something
comes along. So I ask you, what is more important? The fact that a
crime was commited, a one time offense, and that I served time for it.
Or the minute possiablity that I might just possiably reoffened?
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