> There are many regular posters to this group. I am sure that at one > time or another, each has noted their background/involvement that lead > them to this group. For those who wish, would you mind telling us what > you do and/or what lead you to this group. Just an idea so that we > might know better, who we are discussing with.
> The Mad Monk says > "This ain't no party > This ain't no disco > This ain't no fooling around" > Talking Heads
I'm game, I am interested myself in the backgrounds of some of the regular posters. I am 39 years old and grew up in the midwest. I have a Brother that is currently incarcerated in an Iowa correction facility. He is a very bright individual, he was an AS400 operator for a large computer company prior to his incarceration. He is probably one of the kindest people I know he has always helped the underdog. He has 3 children and a wife who have returned to the east coast as he recieved a 10 and a 5 year consecutive sentence. He has expressed some of the things that have occurred to him and others while incarcerated and I am concerned for him as well as other inmates.
Many things have changed for him as well as his entire family my mother spent thousands of dollars for attorneys. It takes our whole family to assist in the support of his wife and kids as well as send him money for items. We try to go see him every 4-5 weeks It is about a 6 hour drive. He has been incarcerated for 2 years this november however the first year was in county jail, which was living hell, I didn't think he was going to make it through that one!
My brother is not blaming anyone but himself for his incarceration has not had any write ups since he was incarcerated, and has a great attitude. I am thankful that the guards are not aggressive within this facility but they were in the county jail and at any time things could change. I am proud of my brother in spite of where he is, he is a great person and has tremendous inner-strength. It has torn my family apart not by putting a wedge between anyone but as long as he is incarcerated we are not really complete at family outings etc. just suffering I guess.
If anyone out there has no compassion for inmates they have not been personally involved or are just non-feeling in general. I do understand the position that some of the guards find themselves in and feel that is the entire enviornment of the prison systems that creates the hopelessness and hate! I have always been interested in critical issues and I believe that even if my brother were not incarcerated I would be involved due to the lack of human rights. I believe it is never to late to be what you could have been.
I hope to see some more posts and I also have a question does anyone know if you are serving a sentence consecutively what that means exactly? The 85% law is not applicable to his time and does county jail time take off your total time?
There are many regular posters to this group. I am sure that at one time or another, each has noted their background/involvement that lead them to this group. For those who wish, would you mind telling us what you do and/or what lead you to this group. Just an idea so that we might know better, who we are discussing with.
The Mad Monk says "This ain't no party This ain't no disco This ain't no fooling around" Talking Heads
rasputin wrote:>There are many regular posters to this group. I am sure
that at one
>time or another, each has noted their background/involvement that lead >them to this group. For those who wish, would you mind telling us >what >you do and/or what lead you to this group. Just an idea so that we >might know better, who we are discussing with.
c/o, california, a.a. and b.a. in psychology. member of hostage negotiation team,
originally, i came to this n.g. to hear what both sides were saying, now i come here because it's like watching a soap opera. it's addicting, and i gotta see who's bashing who this week.
rasputin <raspu...@mindspring.com> wrote: > There are many regular posters to this group. I am sure that at one > time or another, each has noted their background/involvement that lead > them to this group. For those who wish, would you mind telling us what > you do and/or what lead you to this group. Just an idea so that we > might know better, who we are discussing with.
> The Mad Monk says > "This ain't no party > This ain't no disco > This ain't no fooling around" > Talking Heads
> >them to this group. For those who wish, would you mind telling us
> >what > >you do and/or what lead you to this group. Just an idea so that we > >might know better, who we are discussing with.
> c/o, california, > a.a. and b.a. in psychology. > member of hostage negotiation team,
> originally, i came to this n.g. to hear what both sides were saying, now i > come here because it's like watching a soap opera. it's addicting, and i > gotta see who's bashing who this week.
HAT45 RESPONDS.....
Hey Robkabob.....it is interesting that you say that you come to this NG to view "who is bashing who" when I thought the intent of any NG is to share opinions. (notice I didn't say share facts, which seem to be lacking in most NGs).
my name is donna...I'm 20 years old, a college student, I began writing with an individual through an ad in a classical music magazine and after becoming fast friends found out he was a prisoner...he didn't have much contact with the outside and our correspondence was of great help to him and his sanity...after being in jail for almost a year, they discovered the real guilty party and he was released...we don't correspond too much know although we do on a regular basis...I just gained access to the web and stumbled onto this group...still learning about its purpose...
> rasputin wrote:>There are many regular posters to this group. I am sure > that at one > >time or another, each has noted their background/involvement that lead > >them to this group. For those who wish, would you mind telling us
> >what > >you do and/or what lead you to this group. Just an idea so that we > >might know better, who we are discussing with.
> c/o, california, > a.a. and b.a. in psychology. > member of hostage negotiation team,
> originally, i came to this n.g. to hear what both sides were saying, now i > come here because it's like watching a soap opera. it's addicting, and i > gotta see who's bashing who this week.
HAT45 RESPONDS AGAIN.... I was drawn to this NG to learn and absorb how a random sample of THINKERS sees the world of the inmate, the officers, the system, the support staff (clergy, mental health, etc). In general, I am shocked at the level of hatred directed at inmates, regardless of their crimes. But I have come to believe that our society needs a SCAPEGOAT so inmates have become just that. So, to my surprise, I am learning not about prisons and inmates, I am learning about hate in our society.
raspu...@mindspring.com (rasputin) wrote: >There are many regular posters to this group. I am sure that at one >time or another, each has noted their background/involvement that lead >them to this group. For those who wish, would you mind telling us what >you do and/or what lead you to this group. Just an idea so that we >might know better, who we are discussing with.
>The Mad Monk says > "This ain't no party > This ain't no disco > This ain't no fooling around" > Talking Heads
Forgot to mention myself. I am a trainer at southern jail. We have almost 1000 inmates. I orginally came here with the intention of sharing ideas with other officers. It has not been that kind of experience.
The Mad Monk says "This ain't no party This ain't no disco This ain't no fooling around" Talking Heads
>There are many regular posters to this group. I am sure that at one >time or another, each has noted their background/involvement that lead >them to this group. For those who wish, would you mind telling us what >you do and/or what lead you to this group. Just an idea so that we >might know better, who we are discussing with.
I am a former federal prisoner at FMC Lexington. I am an ordained minister, working as a fulltime prison chaplain. I have a Bachelor's in Prison Evangelism, a Master's in Theology and a Doctorate in Biblical Studies. I also have training in trauma psychology, conflict resolution, crisis intervention, suicide prevention and counseling. I am also a visiting chaplain at 5 Ohio prisons. I am also just newly promoted to co-chairman of the Ohio state Penal Oversight Committee, a group of about 60 ministers, attorneys and advocates who identify and try to resolve problems in Ohio's prisons.
I have also just recently been hired to teach Christian Prison Ministry at a new Baptist seminary in Ohio.
Rev. James M. Sutter, D.D., D.B., C.P.M. Pastor, Doers of the Word Baptist Fellowship Church Pastor, ULC of Ohio Cleveland, Ohio, USA
In article <01bcabae$5a8a3f00$215b82ce@patkeena>, "Pat Keenan"
<poko...@netroute.net> writes: >I dont hate inmates as much as I hate the so-called ministers of God that >come in when young Johnny gets a fancy to get some religion to get him thru >his bit.I also have no time for ex inmates who are now ministers who got >their credentials while in jail where everybody inside knows all you gotta >do is show up. Worst of all are the ex inmates who become ministers only to >go out and buy pc's so they can sit back and minister in Newsgroups. No >wait a minute, I think I hate the silly little twirps who are ex inmates, >and now computerized ministers who insist on those charming little sayings >after their signature in their thread. >By and large I am a really nice person when not in uniform or on Alt >Prison.
A little bit of bias, perhaps ? For your info, I was ordained and licensed over a year before I went to prison, and ministers are often recognized for the positive work they do in prisons to reduce tensions, fights, and the recidivism rate. Our Ohio governor Voinovich, just 3 weeks ago, along with Ohio's Superintendant of Prisons, made a nice presentation to Ohio's prison ministers, praising the ministers for their work inside prisons.
Rev. James M. Sutter, D.D., D.B., C.P.M. Pastor, Doers of the Word Baptist Fellowship Church Pastor, ULC of Ohio Cleveland, Ohio, USA
> I am a ex convict from a state that will remain unknown (manufacture > of sched II ), and sometimes feel the need to post in order to clarify > some misconceptions about prison. I served 5 years in med to max > institutions around the state. I am currently employed as a chemical > engineer at a forever anonymous refinery.
> > >There are many regular posters to this group. I am sure that at one > > >time or another, each has noted their background/involvement that lead > > >them to this group. For those who wish, would you mind telling us what > > >you do and/or what lead you to this group. Just an idea so that we > > >might know better, who we are discussing with.
> pokokat is a CO in Canada where our present government(provincial) is about > to build super jails to warehouse the prisoners and then hand the whole > thing over to your American company to run privately. > I have watched over the guilty and the not guilty for almost twenty years > and yes I have become hardened. > I dont hate inmates as much as I hate the so-called ministers of God that > come in when young Johnny gets a fancy to get some religion to get him thru > his bit.I also have no time for ex inmates who are now ministers who got > their credentials while in jail where everybody inside knows all you gotta > do is show up. Worst of all are the ex inmates who become ministers only to > go out and buy pc's so they can sit back and minister in Newsgroups. No > wait a minute, I think I hate the silly little twirps who are ex inmates, > and now computerized ministers who insist on those charming little sayings > after their signature in their thread. > By and large I am a really nice person when not in uniform or on Alt > Prison.
You picked the job, didn't you? You've got so such negativity built up, you're even angry at the very few who took a FUCKED up situation and built something positive around it. With bullshit attitudes such as yours, it no wonder this "rehabilitation effort" is failing. You've got a definite problem with misguided people finally finding a purpose and direction in their lives..I wonder why that is? It's probably because you know they won't be back for you to control...thats allright though, that's what the wife and kids are for, right? And for you trying to convince the readers of this NG and I quote " By and large I am a really nice person when not in uniform or on Alt Prison", it sounds like you're trying to convince yourself of that..'cause I sure don't believe that crap! Thanks for sharing your views and I'm sure I'll hear from you again. Yours Truly..........MAXXXX
I am so glad to here that you offended while a man of the cloth. But I am sure you only did this to become closer to the poor lost souls that needed your guidance. I guess if that is the case then we should all stand up and applaud you.... A Man!!!!!
In article <5t78v4$hl...@newsd-121.bryant.webtv.net>, Rou...@webtv.net (james noonan) says:
>my name is donna...I'm 20 years old, a college student, I began writing >with an individual through an ad in a classical music magazine and after >becoming fast friends found out he was a prisoner...he didn't have much >contact with the outside and our correspondence was of great help to him >and his sanity...after being in jail for almost a year, they discovered >the real guilty party and he was released...we don't correspond too much >know although we do on a regular basis...I just gained access to the web >and stumbled onto this group...still learning about its purpose...
But you heard the others -- there ARE no innocent people in jail, they've all been convicted of something, even though not something they've done! B-)
>Hey Robkabob.....it is interesting that you say that you come >to this NG to view "who is bashing who" when I thought the >intent of any NG is to share opinions. (notice I didn't say >share facts, which seem to be lacking in most NGs).
yea, your correct. i guess it is here (the ng) to share opinions. some people tend to take it too personally though (i think). it is interesting to hear both sides (actually, sometimes 3,4, and 5 sides sometimes). and i agree that it is lacking facts often, which is why we should speak from our own experience, and not generalize to EVERY situation.
" By and large I am a really nice person when not in uniform or on Alt Prison", Spoken like most, (not all) CO's. Too bad this is not part of the officer(s) personal researched history file before they are promoted. I bet they would be considering other ways to make a living or feed their family, cause I am sure that most are already out committing crimes, only they have not been caught, Yet! This was not my preferred topic for responding finally, but I am feeling a lil' confirmation to what most families of or inmates already know about the attitudes and disrespect most CO's shove down our necks... BTW, I have never been convicted of a crime, although It does not mean I have not broken any laws, just didn't get caught or maybe NOT!
maxxxx <max...@nugs.com> wrote in article <33F9359A.2...@erols.com>...
> > > >There are many regular posters to this group. I am sure that at one > > > >time or another, each has noted their background/involvement that lead > > > >them to this group. For those who wish, would you mind telling us what > > > >you do and/or what lead you to this group. Just an idea so that we > > > >might know better, who we are discussing with.
> > pokokat is a CO in Canada where our present government(provincial) is about > > to build super jails to warehouse the prisoners and then hand the whole > > thing over to your American company to run privately. > > I have watched over the guilty and the not guilty for almost twenty years > > and yes I have become hardened. > > I dont hate inmates as much as I hate the so-called ministers of God that > > come in when young Johnny gets a fancy to get some religion to get him thru > > his bit.I also have no time for ex inmates who are now ministers who got > > their credentials while in jail where everybody inside knows all you gotta > > do is show up. Worst of all are the ex inmates who become ministers only to > > go out and buy pc's so they can sit back and minister in Newsgroups. No > > wait a minute, I think I hate the silly little twirps who are ex inmates, > > and now computerized ministers who insist on those charming little sayings > > after their signature in their thread. > > By and large I am a really nice person when not in uniform or on Alt > > Prison. > You picked the job, didn't you? You've got so such negativity built up, > you're even angry at the very few who took a FUCKED up situation and > built something positive around it. With bullshit attitudes such as > yours, it no wonder this "rehabilitation effort" is failing. You've got > a definite problem with misguided people finally finding a purpose and > direction in their lives..I wonder why that is? It's probably because > you know they won't be back for you to control...thats allright though, > that's what the wife and kids are for, right? > And for you trying to convince the readers of this NG and I > quote " By and large I am a really nice person when not in uniform or on > Alt Prison", it sounds like you're trying to convince yourself of > that..'cause I sure don't believe that crap! Thanks for sharing your > views and I'm sure I'll hear from you again. > Yours Truly..........MAXXXX
In article <5tm1g0$3e...@newsd-104.bryant.webtv.net>, C...@webtv.net (Chic Diamond) wrote:
> And if one has one felony conviction; > and not even a parking ticket prior to this. > What conclusion do you come to from this?
That is an intresting question, since I happen to fall into that catagory, of a person who has only one felony conviction. Unfortuneately, that is difficult to assertain, it depends on the resources that you took into prison, that determines your outcome. If you have an extensive employment history, have experience in a particular field, and your felony is not job related, then that you have a better chance intergrating back into society. But, there are the people like myself, I'm sure of it, who were arrested very young, (I was 17) and don't have extensive experience in a particular field. In that case, it is very difficult for the indivdual to intergrate back into society. In todays corporate world, where I would find high paying and statsfying employment, I am excluded from it, because of my conviction. Not becuase of lack of qualifications, but because of the fear of libality. For any offender now can be considered a violent offender, me being one, and because of this, no one is willing to take the chance in the upper management. For example, a month ago, I had worked as a temporary for a company for almost 4&1/2 months, during that time I had created a database, researched and developed procedures to handle inventory and purchasing, developed a strong repore with most of the vendors (I had same day call back, where most wouldn't be called for days) etc.. But when I filled out the application for employment, they did not ask if I was a convicted felon, so of course, I did not voulnteer it, so when they did a background check on my work history, they also did one for a criminal history. I have only been out for 2 years, so of course it popped up like a rising sun. The people in my immediate working envionment, the local office people, fought to keep me, but upper managment decided that irreguardless of my ablities, I was to be refused employment immediately. This was a 30,000 a year job, starting. This really pisses me off, because of the fear raised by so many people more worried about the possiablity of me being violent, that it never even occured to them to ask what had happened. Now I'm living in a one beddroom apartment with my mom, with my financee and me living in the front room, and her being 7 months pregnant. Now this isn't a poor me thing, I'm just showing what is going on and what can happen. Granted I'm not working at the moment, but I will find employment sooner or later, even if I have to do the old causal labor bit untill something comes along. So I ask you, what is more important? The fact that a crime was commited, a one time offense, and that I served time for it. Or the minute possiablity that I might just possiably reoffened?
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