I read in sci.electronics.design that Fred Bloggs <nos...@nospam.com> wrote (in <40F693CA.2020...@nospam.com>) about 'OT: Red Light Camera', on Thu, 15 Jul 2004:
>There was a time when old meant wisdom, but thanks to modern medicine this is no >longer the case, old now mostly means a worthless young person who survived to >old age and still worthless.
But will you still think so in 20 years? -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. The good news is that nothing is compulsory. The bad news is that everything is prohibited. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:21:43 -0700, "User" <u...@host.net> wrote: >> How did you get the mpg file ??
>Its been going around the internet for a while now. I don't buy that the >accident happened in 2004, since the first time I saw the mpeg was last >year!
<j...@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote: >I read in sci.electronics.design that Fred Bloggs <nos...@nospam.com> >wrote (in <40F693CA.2020...@nospam.com>) about 'OT: Red Light Camera', >on Thu, 15 Jul 2004: >>There was a time when old meant wisdom, but thanks to modern medicine this is no >>longer the case, old now mostly means a worthless young person who survived to >>old age and still worthless.
>But will you still think so in 20 years?
--- Prob'ly not; Pete Townsend's still alive, isn't he?
<j...@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote: >I read in sci.electronics.design that Fred Bloggs <nos...@nospam.com> >wrote (in <40F693CA.2020...@nospam.com>) about 'OT: Red Light Camera', >on Thu, 15 Jul 2004: >>There was a time when old meant wisdom, but thanks to modern medicine this is no >>longer the case, old now mostly means a worthless young person who survived to >>old age and still worthless.
>But will you still think so in 20 years?
Surrounded by old folk (my father is almost 86, and most of his brothers and sisters are still alive) I find mental and physical capacity to vary highly from individual to individual.
Based on the observations of my limited sample size, it seems to me that folk who used their minds regularly throughout their lives keep their mental capacity into old age.
Physically my body is not treating me too nicely, particularly since I had polio when I was seven, and arthritis is now taking advantage of my skeletal frailties, but I'll mentally take on a 20-year-old any day ;-)
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>>>> I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson >>>> <thegreat...@example.com> wrote (in >>>> <btjaf05pult465ifunegfif194rkedvtni@ >>>> 4ax.com>) about 'OT: Red Light Camera', on Wed, 14 Jul 2004:
>> He was jaywalking. He was "dead at the scene", but was noticed to be >> breathing as they were removing the "body". He's reported to be still >> in serious condition at Miami (Ohio) Valley Hospital.
>> ...Jim Thompson
> Not that there wasn't a _very_ stupid driver involved, which would have > just as likely taken out a legal pedestrian.
> A friend of my dad's was a deputy Sheriff when he saw an accident like > this developing (sans pedestrian). He couldn't do anything to prevent > it, but he _could_ stick his mic out the window and key it at the > critical moment. He unkeyed his mic, and the unflappable Clackamas > County Sheriff's dispatcher radioed "would the unit at the scene of the > injury accident please report your ID and location?"
Clackamas county,in Oregon? My G/F works there as a dispatcher/call-taker. I hear some crazy stories...
["Followup-To:" header set to sci.electronics.design.] On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:23:00 -0700, Jim Thompson <thegreat...@example.com> wrote in Msg. <btjaf05pult465ifunegfif194rkedv...@4ax.com>
> I've never been nabbed by a red-light camera... I'm very punchy about > red lights, having been T-boned twice by red-light runners.
> Yet I am absolutely sure that most red-light cameras are timed to make > money, NOT improve safety.
> So much so that I've been tempted to add some computer-based red-light > timing equipment to my repertoire and offer my services to lawyers ;-)
> ...Jim Thompson > --
The city installed 20 of the 'photo enforced' cameras around the city. One lady at wotk got a ticket for not making a complete stop at a right turn, $378.00!
One of the lights is at the intersection at our main campus, and I notice that the yellos lights seem to be much shorter now. I think the bastards have made it more difficult to get thru the light changes just so they will make more money. The city contracts with some company to do the installation and maintenance, and I think there is a great amount of incentive to make the system pay. Once residents know about (or get caught by) the system, the revenues diminish, and then the city has a problem justifying the system. I believe there should be some kind of law or court decision that standardizes the parameters that these systems operate within, and prevents the municipalities from taking advantage of the unwary drivers.
> > I've never been nabbed by a red-light camera... I'm very punchy about > > red lights, having been T-boned twice by red-light runners.
> > Yet I am absolutely sure that most red-light cameras are timed to make > > money, NOT improve safety.
> > So much so that I've been tempted to add some computer-based red-light > > timing equipment to my repertoire and offer my services to lawyers ;-)
> > ...Jim Thompson > > --
> The city installed 20 of the 'photo enforced' cameras around the city. > One lady at wotk got a ticket for not making a complete stop at a right > turn, $378.00!
> One of the lights is at the intersection at our main campus, and I > notice that the yellos lights seem to be much shorter now. I think the > bastards have made it more difficult to get thru the light changes just > so they will make more money. The city contracts with some company to > do the installation and maintenance, and I think there is a great amount > of incentive to make the system pay. Once residents know about (or get > caught by) the system, the revenues diminish, and then the city has a > problem justifying the system. I believe there should be some kind of > law or court decision that standardizes the parameters that these > systems operate within, and prevents the municipalities from taking > advantage of the unwary drivers.
Where do you think you could find a lawyer that could spell, let alone understand, the word parameter? And then make a reasoned case about Standarizing (another big word) them. -- John G
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:14:01 +1000, the renowned "John G"
<Greent...@ozemail.com.au> wrote: >Where do you think you could find a lawyer that could spell, let alone >understand, the word parameter? >And then make a reasoned case about Standarizing (another big word) >them.
What are you talking about? Words (both spoken and written) are the tools of lawyers. A good lawyer is EXTREMELY proficient at using and abusing words.
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> > > I've never been nabbed by a red-light camera... I'm very punchy > about > > > red lights, having been T-boned twice by red-light runners.
> > > Yet I am absolutely sure that most red-light cameras are timed to > make > > > money, NOT improve safety.
> > > So much so that I've been tempted to add some computer-based > red-light > > > timing equipment to my repertoire and offer my services to lawyers > ;-)
> > > ...Jim Thompson > > > --
> > The city installed 20 of the 'photo enforced' cameras around the city. > > One lady at wotk got a ticket for not making a complete stop at a > right > > turn, $378.00!
> > One of the lights is at the intersection at our main campus, and I > > notice that the yellos lights seem to be much shorter now. I think > the > > bastards have made it more difficult to get thru the light changes > just > > so they will make more money. The city contracts with some company to > > do the installation and maintenance, and I think there is a great > amount > > of incentive to make the system pay. Once residents know about (or > get > > caught by) the system, the revenues diminish, and then the city has a > > problem justifying the system. I believe there should be some kind of > > law or court decision that standardizes the parameters that these > > systems operate within, and prevents the municipalities from taking > > advantage of the unwary drivers.
> Where do you think you could find a lawyer that could spell, let alone > understand, the word parameter? > And then make a reasoned case about Standarizing (another big word) > them.
We got another RSW here? I wouldn't dignify this guy's followup with a reply.
Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:
> problem justifying the system. I believe there should be some kind of > law or court decision that standardizes the parameters that these > systems operate within, and prevents the municipalities from taking > advantage of the unwary drivers.
Well, no, they're taking advantage of people who routinely flout the law.
I've heard that cops report that, at least officially, they don't mind when people give away the location(s) of speed trap(s) - their intent, after all, officially, is to serve public safety, and just knowing about a speed trap (or thinking there's one) will make people drive more safely, or at least more slowly.
How stupid/impatient do you have to be to run red lights when there's big cameras on the post and a sign that says, "Photo-enforced crossing" or some such? Sheesh!
Rich Grise <n...@example.net> writes: > I've heard that cops report that, at least officially, they don't mind > when people give away the location(s) of speed trap(s) - their intent,
Back when I owned a radio station we used to broadcast the locations, until the cops got the USA's broadcast licensing agency to make us stop.
The intent here at least in this country is to extract the maximum amount of money from the drivers, period.
>> I've heard that cops report that, at least officially, they don't mind >> when people give away the location(s) of speed trap(s) - their intent,
>Back when I owned a radio station we used to broadcast the locations, >until the cops got the USA's broadcast licensing agency to make us stop.
>The intent here at least in this country is to extract the maximum amount >of money from the drivers, period.
>Billy Y..
A friend of mine got roughed up by Scottsdale cops for setting out a real-estate-type sign saying "Speed Radar Ahead" every time he spotted a radar trap.
He then sued Scottsdale and they settled for $20K, which wasn't too shabby an amount back in the '70's.
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> I've never been nabbed by a red-light camera... I'm very punchy about > red lights, having been T-boned twice by red-light runners. > Yet I am absolutely sure that most red-light cameras are timed to make > money, NOT improve safety.
> So much so that I've been tempted to add some computer-based red-light > timing equipment to my repertoire and offer my services to lawyers ;-) > ...Jim Thompson
Don't remember the intersection or even the town (when in doubt, blame Scottsdale :-), where a guy proved that the yellow lights in the intersection that nabbed him were N seconds shorter than all other non-camera intersections. The judge threw out a bunch of tickets, and as I remember, ordered that the yellow lights in that intersection be set to the norm for the town. The company that ran the cameras was very unhappy.
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> Don't remember the intersection or even the town (when in doubt, blame > Scottsdale :-), where a guy proved that the yellow lights in the > intersection that nabbed him were N seconds shorter than all other > non-camera intersections. The judge threw out a bunch of tickets, and as > I remember, ordered that the yellow lights in that intersection be set > to the norm for the town. The company that ran the cameras was very > unhappy.
We had that happen right here in the Washington, DC area. They, Martin-Maretta, had a hole string of traffic lights all with 5 second yellows, and then the one with the camera had a 4 second yellow.
Makes you feel kinda warm and fuzzy all over. Especially when you learn that MM sets the yellow light durations, and MM gets over 50% of the money from each ticket it collects. The various jurisdictions like that because the cameras are free, and MM does all of the processing. Kind of a corrupt form of rent.
>In article <mfgag0d5cpjpjqec9flfbct91a9mvkn...@4ax.com>, > Jim Thompson <thegreat...@example.com> wrote:
[snip] >> Yet I am absolutely sure that most red-light cameras are timed to make >> money, NOT improve safety.
>> So much so that I've been tempted to add some computer-based red-light >> timing equipment to my repertoire and offer my services to lawyers ;-)
>> ...Jim Thompson
>Don't remember the intersection or even the town (when in doubt, blame >Scottsdale :-), where a guy proved that the yellow lights in the >intersection that nabbed him were N seconds shorter than all other >non-camera intersections. The judge threw out a bunch of tickets, and as >I remember, ordered that the yellow lights in that intersection be set >to the norm for the town. The company that ran the cameras was very >unhappy.
>Kind Regards,
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I don't think Scottsdale has any red light cameras, just speed cameras, like Paradise Valley; but Mesa and Phoenix, and I think Glendale, have red light cameras.
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> > Don't remember the intersection or even the town (when in doubt, blame > > Scottsdale :-), where a guy proved that the yellow lights in the > > intersection that nabbed him were N seconds shorter than all other > > non-camera intersections. The judge threw out a bunch of tickets, and as > > I remember, ordered that the yellow lights in that intersection be set > > to the norm for the town. The company that ran the cameras was very > > unhappy.
> We had that happen right here in the Washington, DC area. They, > Martin-Maretta, had a hole string of traffic lights all with 5 second > yellows, and then the one with the camera had a 4 second yellow.
> Makes you feel kinda warm and fuzzy all over. Especially when you > learn that MM sets the yellow light durations, and MM gets over 50% of the > money from each ticket it collects. The various jurisdictions like that > because the cameras are free, and MM does all of the processing. Kind of > a corrupt form of rent.
Jim Thompson <thegreat...@example.com> wrote: > I don't think Scottsdale has any red light cameras, just speed > cameras, like Paradise Valley; but Mesa and Phoenix, and I think > Glendale, have red light cameras.
Both PV and Scottsdale have red light cameras. PV's got one that's a combo (red light *and* speed) at the intersection of Tatum and Lincoln. I work in Scottsdale on the border with PV and have had occasion to drive through both cities (Scottsdale more than PV).
Scottsdale definitely has a red light camera at the intersection of Scottsdale Rd. and Thomas. There used to be a red light camera at the intersection of Scottsdale Rd. and McDowell, but I think it's been moved.
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