Post-modernism
Rev. Illuminatus Maximus
Can anyone in "alt.postmodern" please give us a working definition of
"postmodernism"?
Thank you.
In article <EU2V1.34$h45.1...@news.rdc1.az.home.com>, "The DataRat"
<dat...@home.com> wrote:
> "How, precisely, do you define 'post-modernist,'
> and is your definition your own, or does it have
> a fairly widespread acceptance. (Note: I do not
> intend to deride your opinion if the definition is
> your own -- I also use some 'self-coined' terminology.)"
>
>
>
> The Calvinist Rodent ~loves~ to coin his own
> terminology and unique expressions. Some of
> his best ones ( ~he~ thinks ) are:
>
> "One-dimensional, cardboard God"
>
> and
>
> "I'm-Ok-You're-Ok Theology"
>
> But, Bro. Rat can't claim "post-modernism" !
> Arnold Toynbee came up with the term in 1939.
> A good definition can be found at:
>
> http://www.hewett.norfolk.sch.uk/curric/soc/postmode/post3.htm
>
> ( "New Age" is a derivative. After the Modern Era
> is the Post-Modern Era, or the New Age. )
>
> Essentially: post-modernism subscribes to
> political-correctness over truth, experience over
> rationality, and holds all-inclusive tolerance as
> the supreme virtue ( except where it applies to
> Christians ).
>
>
> Some web sites relating to Post-Modernism:
>
> "Post-modernism offers a revolutionary approach
> to the study of society: in questioning the validity
> of modern science and the notion of objective
> knowledge..."
>
> http://aaup.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/hfs.cgi/99/princeton/4943.ctl
>
>
>
> Unaware if this site ever mentions the
> phrase "post-modern" but it's concept of
> "creative scientific thinking" is definitely
> Post-Modern...
>
> http://sunsite.unc.edu/scst/charter.html
>
>
>
> No one is more post-modern than the
> Jesus seminar with their concept of
> truth-is-what-we-want-to-think-it-is...
>
> http://www.ChristianAnswers.Net/q-eden/edn-t016.html
>
>
>
> There is even a Post-Modern Bible, the
> "Temporary English Version" ( guess you never
> know from minute to minute when ultimate truth
> is gonna change ! )....
>
> http://www.auckland.ac.nz/acte/pmb/
>
>
> No, not trying to impress you with jargon. "Post-
> Modernism" expresses a definite and specific
> concept. ( Albeit "New Age" will suffice in a pinch ! )
>
>
> The DataRat
Regards,
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HoHoHyde
If Charles Jencks (expert at PoMo Architecture and Art) is a reliable source,
then the term "postmodernism" was actually spat from the lips of British
artist John Watkins Chapman in the 1870's; and again in 1917 by a Rudolph
Pannwitz. Both predating Mr Toynbee's utterence.
However i'm the word was probably a flip remark (more Post-modernism than
postmodernism) and i'm sure they meant no harm.
Puss in Boots
>> Arnold Toynbee came up with the term in 1939.
HoHoHyde:
> If Charles Jencks (expert at PoMo Architecture and Art) is a reliable source,
> then the term "postmodernism" was actually spat from the lips of British
> artist John Watkins Chapman in the 1870's; and again in 1917 by a Rudolph
> Pannwitz. Both predating Mr Toynbee's utterence.
Chapman is supposed to have done his spitting in 1876, but I'd like
to see a quote, or at least some of the specifics. Pannwitz has some
company: Federico de Onis (1934) and Bernard Iddings Bell (1939). They
were discussimg Nietzsche's concept of nihilism, a backlash against
literary modernism, and the failure of secular modernism (along with the
prospects for a religious revival), respectively. Toynbee was
addressing the rise of mass society following WWI. In more recent times,
the term goes back to Ihab Hassan's _The Dismemberment of Orpheus:
Toward a Post-Modern Literature_ (1971).
Architecture is another story: "postmodernism" has got a different
history there.
-- Moggin