after postmodernism
sara_a
there is any after postmodern painting?!!!
James Whitehead
<saras...@hotmail.com> writes
>what do u think about the Idias in after postmodern paintings...if
>there is any after postmodern painting?!!!
What if the idea is a modernist construct?
--
James Whitehead
sara_a
I have thought very simply about this....the "modern" art or whatever...
being Modern means to change and to think about what u can be and that means
u cant be the same as the others were!!!so postmodern has actually folowed
the same rule...so it is "modern" again!
James Whitehead
<saras...@hotmail.com> writes
>James Whitehead <jl...@jliat.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<Z3vhrFAPWIm9Ew9
>9...@jliat.demon.co.uk>...
>> In article <f7397414.02093...@posting.google.com>, sara_a
>> <saras...@hotmail.com> writes
>> >what do u think about the Idias in after postmodern paintings...if
>> >there is any after postmodern painting?!!!
>>
>> What if the idea is a modernist construct?
>
>
>I have thought very simply about this....the "modern" art or whatever...
>being Modern means to change and to think about what u can be and that means
>u cant be the same as the others were!!!so postmodern has actually folowed
>the same rule...so it is "modern" again!
Only if you think post-modernism has contributed in this way - but look
at the *new* mini cooper for example...
--
James Whitehead
sara_a
modernism in abstract Idias and in the ones which are used ...but they
can be influenced by each other...it is very obvious that "changing"
is the very important part of it...and when u think "is there any
other "changes" left?!!!!...is when you have to deeply think about
what has been done...and how you can continiue "changing".....
mini cooper is not out of this idia..
James Whitehead
Post-modernity as the inability or unwillingness to change - hence its
backward looking pre-occupations.
--
James Whitehead
sara_a
or maybe it has...
think about impressionists ..and others ..they used to continue each
others works..and after these kind of continiues there was a big
result.. another "ism"
was made in this result...
but with this kind of looking back, its a huge history u can choose to
work on..
and look back.. and that means you are the only one who is searching
the history like that ...and your work is influenced by that very
special looking back...
James Whitehead
>or maybe it has...
Individualism in a sense destroys the hegemony which allows "Fine Art"
to exist...
>think about impressionists ..and others ..they used to continue each
>others works..and after these kind of continiues there was a big
>result.. another "ism"
Yes they worked within a tradition - which had a narrative - this is
typical of Modernity
>was made in this result...
>but with this kind of looking back, its a huge history u can choose to
>work on..
Again perhaps so - but work on and not in - a big difference. To work in
the tradition of modernism is to take part in its co-operative venture -
to work on it is to live either parasitically on it - if its alive - or
of its remains..
>and look back.. and that means you are the only one who is searching
>the history like that ...and your work is influenced by that very
>special looking back...
It doesn't much matter.
--
James Whitehead
Fons Bloemen
cobrapainters) with postmodernist painting there is a great loss of
artistic quality. The urge for the new was gradually accepted since
than in art education and institutes and that killed at the same time
its former power.
I believe postmodern painting is a wrong designation. Neo-modernism
would come closer to reallity. I never met any gifted painters who
studied postmodern phylosophy, not even briefly.
To come to your question, we live on a turning point. Less and less
people are impressed by new experiments of individual artists, while
in the 60th and 70th the word "experiment" was a magical expression
that captivated almost everyone. It is not because art subsidies are
cutted down by low economy, but I strongly believe that people are
tired of egocentric biografies artist have invented in the last
decades. The question has arisen: what is accually a painting and why
should people continue painting? What is the use of it beside
decorational values? Is there something left for the future? Many
artists are nowadays rediscovering painting as one of the most direct
ways of expression of ideas and feelings. Not as a nostalgy but
because between the painter and his canvas there is no loss of
information.
In 2030 we will look back to 1965-2000 ; this neo-modernistic period
was not as an enlightend time for art, when artists were overestimated
to the utmost. When the artist started to develop to a mystery-man who
was giving the crowd sacred messages and boring riddles. There is no
better time than now to convince everyone that there is a good reason
to start painting again!
greetings Fons Bloemen
http://bloemen.fol.nl
xray
holodeck
virtual reality. Everything the artist spits is art. Painting can still be
significant
but far less so than the above mentioned. Attitude as art
postmodernism is art.
James Whitehead
>Painting is dead. Art of the future is idea. lucid dream as art. the
>holodeck
>virtual reality. Everything the artist spits is art. Painting can still be
>significant
>but far less so than the above mentioned. Attitude as art
>postmodernism is art.
The study of what has - and how it has died in modernity is an
interesting field - necro-philosophy? necrosophy? In that its not
obvious - the corpse is - in a way - very much alive though no longer an
organic whole - no longer a hierarchy - but a mass of individuals living
off the residues of life. This presents the illusion of idea - of art -
of dream but its movement is uncoordinated - well may be directed by the
interest in where in the putrefaction is the best sustenance to be
found.
to the maggot the corpse is beauty itself.
--
James Whitehead
fons
20th century when -isms were a must to be accepted.
Also the history criterion has died somehow. The timeline seems to be
broken or irrelevant to the meaning of the art itself. Never in the
whole arthistory the moment when a certain artpiece was made was so
important as in the 20th century. This major time-clue seems to be
fading.
History as a way of looking to art is one beside many others.
Fons
fons
What differs today art to your idea with 20th century or 17th century
art? What makes postmodernism different with other arts and do you
find postmodernist art superior to its predecessors?
Fons
Epic Dewfall
> Painting is dead. Art of the future is idea. lucid dream as art. the
I have 204 paintings from lucid dreams on the web. I look for
paintings in my lucid dreams and reproduce the ones I like.
http://www.epicdewfall.ca/
Clio
is this "biografy on your site a joke?
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On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 03:05:26 -0400, Epic Dewfall <b...@epicdewfall.ca>
wrote:
James Whitehead
<b...@epicdewfall.ca> writes
--
James Whitehead
PDK
NO JOKE
sara_a
painting in different part of the wold..It means:
painting is not dead...
on the other hand..this is the Idia of Sara which is showed by her
painting...sara is thinking..and this is her thouts which is always
changing
...her paintings are her tools to show her Idias...the Idia is the big
part of it...but you cant say her tool is dead...cause she can still
use it...her thouts are very different to James..so maybe for Jame
painting is not THE TOOL..
and for his Idias..this tool is dead...
James Whitehead
<saras...@hotmail.com> writes
If the james above refers to me - then you misunderstand my point -
which is 'painting as art is dead' and perhaps further- so is art. The
'personal' tool for expression which you use painting as is not the same
thing - its a form of graffiti - which if considered as art negates art
- as having any value judgements within it - everything is then allowed
in art and is as good as anything else. Of course there are lots of
painting - bridges - doors, but also on Sunday afternoons with water-
colours - or in classrooms by school children. If we take the tools of
the enlightenment and use them now just to represent our own
subjectivity then we have destroyed art. In the same way as saying 2+2
is equal to anything you like destroys mathematics. The very act of
painting now is part of this destruction- to keep art alive we would
need to stop - as Duchamp anticipated.
--
James Whitehead
PKD
I would not say art is dead but rather how art is interpreted, its meaning
and value in society. When one speaks of art , you are bringing into play
a wide variety of interpretations. I think the art represented in the
periodical
'Leonardo' is useful and informative. I belive art is moving into cyberspace
and that painting is like going back to the horse and buggy days. I would
stress that the impact of whatever medium one uses is where the power is,
not the medium itself. I find H.R Giger interesting at some point, but
totally
useless at another. There is nothing in his art that evokes a process or
chain
reaction of useful ideas. He would be much better of an artist for
illustrating
technical manuals or chemistry books.
In five minutes this paragraph will self-destruct.
PKD
beauty
and style and taste. The new sensibility is defiantly pluralistic; it is
dedicated
both to an excruciating seriousness and to fun and wit and nostalgia.
It is also extremely history- conscious; and the voracity of its
enthusiasms (and of the super- cession of these enthusiasms) is very
high-speed and hectic. >From the vantage point of this new sensibility,
the beauty of the machine or of the solution to a mathematical problem,
of a paint- ing by Jasper Johns, of film by Jean-Luc Godard, and
of the personalities and music of the Beatles is equally accessible."
(Sontag 304)
James Whitehead
>
>I would not say art is dead but rather how art is interpreted, its meaning
>and value in society. When one speaks of art , you are bringing into play
>a wide variety of interpretations. I think the art represented in the
>periodical
>'Leonardo' is useful and informative. I belive art is moving into cyberspace
>
>and that painting is like going back to the horse and buggy days. I would
>stress that the impact of whatever medium one uses is where the power is,
>not the medium itself. I find H.R Giger interesting at some point, but
>totally
>useless at another. There is nothing in his art that evokes a process or
>chain
>reaction of useful ideas. He would be much better of an artist for
>illustrating
>technical manuals or chemistry books.
>In five minutes this paragraph will self-destruct.
>
The beauty of the self destruct tape in Mission Impossible is - hey why
not tape the recording! Before it destructs.... well James Bond would
have with his Mont Blanc pen. (sic)
--
James Whitehead
sara_a
and it depends on the culture it has started its way...I believe that
cultures influence each other by the power they have in society
without art..(at first)-like what is happening now..the influence of
west to all the eastern and third world contries...and that is the
tase of new standards...but after a wile they change their place...the
idia of modernism as an abstract painting in west is not the same as
the idia in east...they have totaly different meanings..and thats the
point of changing they first begin talking with their shapes..and
after that they begin to complete and maybe destroy each other..or
mix...
I think I am waiting for a big change in after postmodern Idia..which
has the same shpe as before but a vary different idia ...
Rima
big change too but I hope it has nothing of "postmodernism" in it,
because I think this movement, postmodernism, destroyed many things in
the name of breaking molds and 'doing what wasn't done before'.
Destruction of icons and myths and the tendency to over-philosophize
and cross all lines...I suppose it's inevitable, but I think it has
left art, poitics, society, everything, in a very chaotic state.
sara_a
he never paints but sometimes make Chineese paintings!!!and Ithink
that doesnt mean that Gogin wasnt a goog painter or Cezanne....
For me It means that you can always think very different to the one
who is thinking very well..and you can be good at yor way of
thinking...
but you have to fix what you think by showing your idia and the way it
is growing....
Cezanne didnt know about that..!!and I think in our century It is a
very big change to underestand our diferences and accept them...so...
I mean they used to search other culture to find the way they can be a
very new painter!!!but now we are not that interested in african
sculptures as Picasso were...cause we have seen it alot...so....
I think the big change is not making new paintings!!!or even something
like new Idia!!!!!!the new thing is something behind all these
things.....what do u think..?
Rima
I think we've got to stop defining art, only what makes "good" art and
"bad" art. It seems there are as many definitions for art as there are
artists and all of them could be right...Also, I think that at the
same time we've got to gather our wits about us and find out where we
want to go, if at all. The problem, in my opinion, is that we're
moving in different directions and we don't even know where we're
going...I mean, the goal is always the same, the artist is always
searching for something, but each of us has a different way of finding
it, and, as in religion, politics, etc. "different" doesn't mean
"wrong", as people always seem to confuse these two. Oh well, to
continue along this line would result in a very long, elaborate
discussion, as we'll have to enter the realms of psychology and man's
deep seated fear of what is different.