It Takes a Nation
Daedra Morrighan
with all-encompassing unity of blood and purpose. The living portrait of a
pregnant mother, aglow with fecundity, is a magnificent panorama that Lady
Liberty smiles upon.
Beneath the banners of the New Nation, the sight of a pregnant woman will no
longer evoke surprise. To witness a young woman, heavy with child, clad only in
sky and bathing in moonlight will be an event more common than the sunset. When
pregnancy no longer carries any stigma, that shall truly be a great new day for
our country.
Who was the father? Fatherland. No other answer will be appropriate. For a child
of our unitary national-family, "Dad" and "Mom" are all around: many faces, all
of familiar countenance; many loving voices, all speaking as one; many hands,
all animated by love. Yes, to questions of paternity we need only reply:
Fatherland.
The young caretaker, herself expecting, need not wait through the remainder of
the term to be with her children. The sons and daughters of her land, of her
blood, are all, equally, her children. As she walks through a fruited plain,
blades of clean grass caress her undraped legs. When she approaches a freshwater
pond, she can see the innocent legions of happy, healthy children as they swim
about and play. All have similar features, the same blood, the same purpose. All
are truly one family -- part of the great national-family unit.
Highly-trained specialists most talented and experienced with children shall
take the leading role in child-rearing. The public shall, as a whole, support
them materially and participate in the upbringing of American youth. The
Pornonationalist shall abolish the artificial lineage systems, patriarchal and
matriarchal alike, as well as the nuclear family, and remove all barriers to
community rapport.
An old Arabic proverb stated that "it takes a village to raise a child." This
bit of wisdom was deposited into sub-Saharan Africa by Mediterranean explorers.
In ruthless repudiation of this spiritual teaching, the tribesmen took to
mutilating their daughters' genitals, instead. American civilization, the harp
of which is tuned for Sappho's own song, must do just the opposite. We shall
remove all fetters from sexuality. We shall encourage rural settlements,
frontier life, and oneness with the land. We shall expel or quarantine elements
that retard social wellness and national solidarity. We shall shut down the
engines of capitalism, of false individualism, of alienation and materialism. We
shall expand vastly the scope and effectiveness of public education. We shall
combat, contain and eliminate all cults that place barriers between children and
their elders.
It was understandable to speak of the "nuclear family" when the family was
separate from the nation, but when the nation becomes the literal embodiment of
the family, anachronistic structures are demolished to make way for progress and
nationalization. Monogamist systems of mate selection that open the door to
alienation fall into disuse, and the cults which strive to sneak regression into
the window are rooted out. The child who was once an orphan becomes the pride of
every mother. The stranger in the street transforms into a valued mentor. The
upbringing of every child of the people, by and for the people, becomes the
nation's priority second-to-none.
Americans had for some time been overshadowed by the sense that the
nuclear-family unit could be replaced by a superior system. Feminism was partly
an outgrowth of this sentiment, but proved both inadequate and misguided because
it was rooted in the dominant paradigm it had vowed to oppose.
Many children already spend most of their time away from their direct
progenitors. Artificial walls, brainchildren of Mordechai Marx and Yeshua,
remain in place between the pseudo-family of a few and the national family of
the whole people. Why stay affixed between two planes of social evolution?
Mothers ask the questions; preachers spin their swindle as recompense, and
day-care centers banter on about their rates, but Pornonationalists provide the
final answers.
Perish the thoughts of "illegitimacy," "welfare rolls," "single mothers," and
"broken homes," which seek to beseige one's mind with Pavlovian force. These are
all symptoms of the nuclear family itself: a thoroughly flawed method of
organization. Feudalism, for a time, was accepted as not only fashionable, but
inevitable. Yet the cloven hooves of progress have long since trampled it under.
Unhappily, vestiges and elements of feudal mania remain extant, the nuclear
family among them. These fossils, like the cross of sectionalism, will soon,
too, be "gone with the wind."
Powerful and enlightened government will open many aspects of direct parenting
only to those whose talent, skill, disposition, demeanor and experience inures
them particularly well to the task. Unification of public education with the
mechanisms of child-rearing will eliminate social antipathy and further national
unity.
While many functions of the upbringing of children will be confined to spirited
devotees and professionals, the entire nation will assume the matronly role and
the entire community will assist in parenting, mostly indirectly, but often
directly, as well. Contacts, mutual lust and a sense of rapport between young
people and their elders will take on new, historic proportions.
Every mother will love each child within the body of the nation as if it had
come from her own body. Uniform, universal machinery for the upbringing of the
nation's children resurrects the Sappho and Socrates even as it banishes those
who rape children's sexual liberty.
"It takes a village," rejected by the Africans, will be redeemed by "It takes a
nation," embraced by Americans.
Pornonationalist Vanguard:
http://tbns.net/carcassofgod
Contact:
Official: vang...@antisocial.com
Director: dae...@email.com
Secretary: gy...@email.com
"Even the noblest tactician may be driven to defeat, but only the truly diseased
will ever apologize for victory."
-- Daedra Morrighan
“In every country and in every age the priest has been hostile to liberty; he is
always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection
to his own.”
- Thomas Jefferson
Mary MacTavish
<Daedra...@newsranger.com> said:
>
>Beneath the banners of the New Nation, the sight of a pregnant woman will no
>longer evoke surprise. To witness a young woman, heavy with child, clad only in
>sky and bathing in moonlight will be an event more common than the sunset. When
>pregnancy no longer carries any stigma, that shall truly be a great new day for
>our country.
1) I've never been surprised to see a pregnant woman.
2) Please don't tell me you're actually *encouraging* continued
population growth ...
.
Mary MacTavish
http://www.prado.com/~iris
Daedra Morrighan
People of European descent are very much in need of increased population growth.
Mary MacTavish
<Daedra...@newsranger.com> said:
Mary MacTavish
http://www.prado.com/~iris
Mary MacTavish
<Daedra...@newsranger.com> said:
>People of European descent are very much in need of increased population growth.
And people like you truly scare me. The *evil* that's been wreaked on
the earth by this sort of ethnic/"racial" division has been profound.
We share this place -- all of us. You don't have the right to fuck it
up for the rest of us.
You're not a troll. You mean it. That makes it scarier.
.*shudder*
.(why does "it takes a nation" sound so much like "birth of a
nation"?)
I'm going to plonk the whole subject line now, because I feel all the
nice warm fuzzies I got today (as well as the taste of the
chocolate/hazelnut swirl cheesecake batter) turning to bile.
Daedra Morrighan
So opposing genocide makes you sick?
Xiphias Gladius
> In article <3aa14cfa....@nntp3.tsoft.net>, Mary MacTavish says...
>>
>>On Sat, 03 Mar 2001 00:57:35 GMT, Daedra Morrighan
>><Daedra...@newsranger.com> said:
>>
>>>
>>>Beneath the banners of the New Nation, the sight of a pregnant woman will no
>>>longer evoke surprise. To witness a young woman, heavy with child, clad only in
>>>sky and bathing in moonlight will be an event more common than the sunset. When
>>>pregnancy no longer carries any stigma, that shall truly be a great new day for
>>>our country.
>>
>>
>>1) I've never been surprised to see a pregnant woman.
>>
>>2) Please don't tell me you're actually *encouraging* continued
>>population growth ...
> People of European descent are very much in need of increased population
> growth.
Oh. I get it. I thought it was just unbearably confusing, ridiculous
sensless tripe, but now I see that it is unbearably confusing, ridiculous
senseless *racist* tripe.
- Ian
--
Marriage, n: The state or condition of a community consisting of a master,
a mistress, and two slaves, making, in all, two. -- Ambrose Bierce
SSBB Diplomatic Corps; Boston, Massachusetts
Scott Staten
>
> On Sat, 03 Mar 2001 02:05:41 GMT, Daedra Morrighan
> <Daedra...@newsranger.com> said:
>
> >People of European descent are very much in need of increased population growth.
>
> And people like you truly scare me. The *evil* that's been wreaked on
> the earth by this sort of ethnic/"racial" division has been profound.
> We share this place -- all of us. You don't have the right to fuck it
> up for the rest of us.
Why? Eurpoe is going to be facing a serious population decline in the next
few decades. whit the early retirement age in some European antions (55
IIRD) and the high levels of social benefits, they desperately need people
to work. Otherwise they will be facing a major financial crisis.
Never mistake idology for economic reality. They are often different (just
look at Bush)
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LoRe
"Daedra Morrighan" <Daedra...@newsranger.com> wrote in message
news:3kXn6.1163$45....@www.newsranger.com...
> Nationalization of the family replaces internecine conflicts among
countrymen
Yes, I'm sure it will serve nicely in the place of internecine conflicts.
> with all-encompassing unity of blood and purpose. The living portrait of a
> pregnant mother, aglow with fecundity, is a magnificent panorama that Lady
> Liberty smiles upon.
Thank you for posting this, oh cloven-hoofed priestess of panoramic
Progress. I trust you are doing your bit by breeding freely and leaving the
kids with the Fatherland. I hope He plays well with them. (I note that you
are pretty fecund with your postings, too. I'm sure alt.parenting
appreciated the input.)
I particularly liked the bit about Mediterraneans educating the backward
African mutilators. Oh, and the innocent legions swimming around in our nice
clean water supply. And the "artificial" lineage systems based on
bloodlines. (Though how /does/ one assure oneself that one's children will
be, shall we say, *similar* to one another, if one is running about naked
and not keeping track of who bore/fathered whom? I read a dirty internecine
cleansing between the lines.)
And finally, thank you for this: "Contacts, mutual lust and a sense of
rapport between young people and their elders will take on new, historic
proportions."
It reminded me to register to vote.
--
LoRe
piranha
> On Sat, 03 Mar 2001 02:05:41 GMT, Daedra Morrighan
> <Daedra...@newsranger.com> said:
>
> >People of European descent are very much in need of increased population growth.
>
of course this one is a troll. look at the original crosspost
header:
alt.flame.jesus.christ,alt.feminism,alt.parenting,alt.polyamory
have more cheesecake. don't feed the trolls, feed yourself
something yummy.
"morrighan". what an appropriate choice of names, too. :-) just
not a very inventive troll, sorry. try again some other time.
--
-piranha
Daedra Morrighan
>
>Daedra Morrighan <Daedra...@newsranger.com> wrote:
>> In article <3aa14cfa....@nntp3.tsoft.net>, Mary MacTavish says...
>>>
>>>On Sat, 03 Mar 2001 00:57:35 GMT, Daedra Morrighan
>>><Daedra...@newsranger.com> said:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Beneath the banners of the New Nation, the sight of a pregnant woman will no
>>>>longer evoke surprise. To witness a young woman, heavy with child, clad only in
>>>>sky and bathing in moonlight will be an event more common than the sunset. When
>>>>pregnancy no longer carries any stigma, that shall truly be a great new day for
>>>>our country.
>>>
>>>
>>>1) I've never been surprised to see a pregnant woman.
>>>
>>>2) Please don't tell me you're actually *encouraging* continued
>>>population growth ...
>
>> People of European descent are very much in need of increased population
>> growth.
>
>Oh. I get it. I thought it was just unbearably confusing, ridiculous
>sensless tripe, but now I see that it is unbearably confusing, ridiculous
>senseless *racist* tripe.
>
> - Ian
Small minds are always confused by eloquence.
But not smart folks:
<begin>
"I like your writing style. Not only that, you
really are a Promethean personality, (see:
Myers-Briggs type theory), like me, which I to
some extent find endearing." - here...@bresnanlink.net
Jenna Schmidt (aphrod...@juno.com): "This is one of the most excellent
websites I have ever ran across on the Internet. I bookmarked it. Please add me
to your mailing list."
"Wonderful stuff, keep it going. I am following it." -Kewl...@iamwaiting.com
"Daedra you are a born orator and writer. Your site is
masterfully done. I can say I agree with your Movement on most
points so far and the material made for most interesting
reading." - Marcus (rawdo...@prodigy.net)
"Eloquent; interesting ideas!" - mountai...@yahoo.com
"I am very impressed with your page and am
interested in knowing more about the movement. I
have considered the WcOc but now find myself
more in agreement with you. I agree that we must
not only reject the Judaic religions, we must
reject their slave morality as well. I
look forward to correspondence and possibly
more." - strike_...@hotmail.com
Very interesting, and I will view it more often. Keep up the good work.
- tont...@hotmail.com
Some interesting ideas (especially childrens'
sexual rights and the eradication of cults) -
submi...@netcourrier.com
Wonderful page. - carna...@hotmail.com
"Daedra, I liked your website. I thought it looked professional."
-- ci...@hotmail.com
"[Daedra,] personally I would agree that your writing, grammar and
punctuation are excellent" - ath...@home.com
<end>
Just a small sample to let you know that there's a whole world of people out
there who are more receptive to 'extremist' philosophies than you may be.
Jessy563
"Daedra Morrighan" <Daedra...@newsranger.com> wrote in message
news:3kXn6.1163$45....@www.newsranger.com...
Daedra Morrighan
>
>Mary MacTavish wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 03 Mar 2001 02:05:41 GMT, Daedra Morrighan
>> <Daedra...@newsranger.com> said:
>>
>> >People of European descent are very much in need of increased population growth.
>>
>> And people like you truly scare me. The *evil* that's been wreaked on
>> the earth by this sort of ethnic/"racial" division has been profound.
>> We share this place -- all of us. You don't have the right to fuck it
>> up for the rest of us.
>
>Why? Eurpoe is going to be facing a serious population decline in the next
>few decades. whit the early retirement age in some European antions (55
>IIRD) and the high levels of social benefits, they desperately need people
>to work. Otherwise they will be facing a major financial crisis.
Xiphius Gladius et al. are no different than fundamentalist Christian idiots as
far as narrow-mindedness and shortsightedness go. To them, wanting one's people
to survive -- if you happen to be White -- is 'racist.'
LoRe
> "[Daedra,] personally I would agree that your writing, grammar and
> punctuation are excellent" - ath...@home.com
>
I disagree. You apparently have no idea of the meaning or connotations of
several words and phrases you use, and your run-on sentences rival my own
for Ouriborousness.
You can quote me on that.
>
> Just a small sample to let you know that there's a whole world of people
out
> there who are more receptive to 'extremist' philosophies than you may be.
There are a whole LOT of people. Many of them are receptive to extremes in
the other direction. I suppose they are very clever, too.
Vote Taliban!
--
LoRe
Daedra Morrighan
>
>You are a creative nutcase.
Creativity and insanity are inseparable comrades.
“In every country and in every age the priest has been hostile to liberty; he is
Kristal
> Oh. I get it. I thought it was just unbearably confusing, ridiculous
> sensless tripe, but now I see that it is unbearably confusing, ridiculous
> senseless *racist* tripe.
>
It is racist. It is for the return of slavery. It is also anti-semitic.
Also anti-homosexuality(but not bisexuality). Also anti-monogamy. Also
pro-rape.
This person is an idiot to say the least.
Kristal
Daedra Morrighan
>
>
>"Daedra Morrighan" <Daedra...@newsranger.com> wrote in message
>news:d3_n6.1190$45....@www.newsranger.com...
>
>> "[Daedra,] personally I would agree that your writing, grammar and
>> punctuation are excellent" - ath...@home.com
>>
>
>I disagree. You apparently have no idea of the meaning or connotations of
>several words and phrases you use
Examples?
, and your run-on sentences rival my own
Examples?
BTW, I have an excellent vocabulary, but that does not mean I know every
connotation and every meaning of every word.
>for Ouriborousness.
What?
>
>You can quote me on that.
>
>>
>> Just a small sample to let you know that there's a whole world of people
>out
>> there who are more receptive to 'extremist' philosophies than you may be.
>
>There are a whole LOT of people. Many of them are receptive to extremes in
>the other direction. I suppose they are very clever, too.
So?
serene -- Sandra Vannoy
<Daedra...@newsranger.com> writes:
>People of European descent are very much in need of increased population
>growth.
Umm, *what*?
serene, who just heard an essay on NPR about the fact that
industrialized nations need ZPG more than developing
nations because citizens of industrialized nations use
five to twenty times as many resources
--
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Ahura
"Jessy563" <Cl...@clone.com> wrote in message
news:c3_n6.17647$UZ4.4...@news4.rdc1.on.home.com...
> You are a creative nutcase.
>
Any creativity he has is wasted on this bullshit of his.
Russ Allbery
>> People of European descent are very much in need of increased
>> population growth.
> Umm, *what*?
Normally that particular statement carries with it an implicit "so that
our population will grow at least as fast as Those People, since otherwise
They will eventually outnumber us and destroy our civilization and way of
life and enslave our children." (I'm still somewhat fluent in Extremist
Nutball, due to an... um... oddly-spent youth.)
This is, of course, not explicitly said, since anyone who would agree with
the subtext adds it for themselves and actually saying it hurts ones
ability to loudly and angrily take offense at being called racist. This,
see, is important for the self-righteous defense stage immediately
following, which is, after all, the real joy in posting such tripe to
randomly chosen newsgroups.
Personally, I wrote off the original post and poster as soon as I got to
the naked pregnant women dancing in moonbeams part. Dunno about you, but
I've yet to read a political diatribe featuring naked pregnant women
dancing in moonbeams that I found very practical or implementable.
--
Russ Allbery (r...@stanford.edu) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
LoRe
> In article <th_n6.509$Sz1.2...@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net>, LoRe says...
> >
> >
> >"Daedra Morrighan" <Daedra...@newsranger.com> wrote in message
> >news:d3_n6.1190$45....@www.newsranger.com...
> >
> >> "[Daedra,] personally I would agree that your writing, grammar and
> >> punctuation are excellent" - ath...@home.com
> >>
> >
> >I disagree. You apparently have no idea of the meaning or connotations of
> >several words and phrases you use
> Examples?
___
"The living portrait of a
pregnant mother, aglow with fecundity, is a magnificent ///panorama/// that
Lady
Liberty smiles upon. "
(this, by the way, is not grammatically "excellent," though the reasons I
say that are nitpicky)
"Americans had for some time been ///overshadowed/// by the sense that the
nuclear-family unit could be replaced by a superior system. "
(this also has a grammatical problem)
"Mothers ask the questions; preachers spin their swindle as recompense, and
day-care centers ///banter/// on about their rates, but Pornonationalists
provide the
final answers. "
(you seem to be quite proud of your semicolons, young missy)
___
I found two more snorters, but beyond this I can't lend myself to your
eviltude. Your usage is just close enough to common (and dictionary) meaning
to be creepily weird, but it isn't "right."
>
> Examples?
>
> , and your run-on sentences rival my own
>
> Examples?
Pardon me. I got carried away. They do not actually run on. They are simply
weaselly--the passive voice and future tense is obnoxious. The grammar is
educated--not perfect, but perfectly pretentious. This is no doubt effective
in impressing semi-literate people who want to identify with "power," but it
would get you laughed out of any English classroom (and not because of the
content, which is pretty laughable itself).
>
> BTW, I have an excellent vocabulary, but that does not mean I know every
> connotation and every meaning of every word.
You ought to know the common meanings and connotations of the words you use.
You apparently don't, though it's obvious that you sweated for many hours
polishing up this screed.
>
> >for Ouriborousness.
>
> What?
Think about it for a minute. The smell of your own waste products may help
clear your head.
>
> >
> >You can quote me on that.
> >
> >>
> >> Just a small sample to let you know that there's a whole world of
people
> >out
> >> there who are more receptive to 'extremist' philosophies than you may
be.
> >
> >There are a whole LOT of people. Many of them are receptive to extremes
in
> >the other direction. I suppose they are very clever, too.
>
> So?
So all you've proved is that you're an extremist and other people are, too.
Big whoop. Vote Taliban.
So, really, whatcha done with your kids? Come on. Out with it. Is this a
daycare issue for you? We care. Really.
--
LoRe
Jessy563
"Ahura" <iv...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:97ptv1$o9f$0...@dosa.alt.net...
Ben Okopnik
Daedra Morrighan of alt.polyamory speaking thus:
>In article <3aa45482....@nntp3.tsoft.net>, Mary MacTavish says...
>>
>>On Sat, 03 Mar 2001 02:05:41 GMT, Daedra Morrighan
>><Daedra...@newsranger.com> said:
>>
>>>People of European descent are very much in need of increased population growth.
>>
>>And people like you truly scare me. The *evil* that's been wreaked on
>>the earth by this sort of ethnic/"racial" division has been profound.
>>We share this place -- all of us. You don't have the right to fuck it
>>up for the rest of us.
>>
>>You're not a troll. You mean it. That makes it scarier.
>>
>>.*shudder*
>>
>>.(why does "it takes a nation" sound so much like "birth of a
>>nation"?)
>>
>>I'm going to plonk the whole subject line now, because I feel all the
>>nice warm fuzzies I got today (as well as the taste of the
>>chocolate/hazelnut swirl cheesecake batter) turning to bile.
>
No. It seems to me that *your* version of genocide is what's making her
sick.
> We shall expel or quarantine elements that retard social wellness and
> national solidarity.
Have you looked through communist propaganda at all? I'm pretty sure that
you'll find the above phrase, either word for word or *definitely* meaning
for meaning, in Lenin's "Sobraniye Sochinenij" (Collected works), 5th Ed.,
vol.35 or so. I won't be skating any closer to Godwin's Law here, except to
say that I grew up in a country where people believed in this kind of
ideas, and agreed with you about what the "acceptable costs" for achieving
them were. A number of my relatives, including my father, experienced on
their own hide what it meant to be an "quarantined element".
I won't comment on your writing any further except to say that it fills me
with absolute disgust and contempt. You see, I know where your ideas lead
- while you have absolutely _no_ understanding of their consequences.
Ben "my spider sense is on overload" Okopnik
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
"I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and
give the wrong answers."
Daedra Morrighan
>
>Hence the word, "nutcase"
Fair enough. But do tell me what objections you have to my 'nutty' ideas. Do you
prefer the nuclear family? Do you find the national family model implausible?
“In every country and in every age the priest has been hostile to liberty; he is
Ben Okopnik
Daedra Morrighan of alt.polyamory speaking thus:
>>
>>You are a creative nutcase.
>
>Creativity and insanity are inseparable comrades.
Inseparable and complementary in your case, certainly. Zero creativity,
absolute insanity.
Ben "piranha is right; it's a troll" Okopnik
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
"In America, sex is an obsession; in other parts of the world it's a fact."
-- Marlene Dietrich
Daedra Morrighan
>
>
>"Daedra Morrighan" <Daedra...@newsranger.com> wrote in message
>news:Dw_n6.1199$45....@www.newsranger.com...
>> In article <th_n6.509$Sz1.2...@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net>, LoRe says...
>> >
>> >
>> >"Daedra Morrighan" <Daedra...@newsranger.com> wrote in message
>> >news:d3_n6.1190$45....@www.newsranger.com...
>> >
>> >> "[Daedra,] personally I would agree that your writing, grammar and
>> >> punctuation are excellent" - ath...@home.com
>> >>
>> >
>> >I disagree. You apparently have no idea of the meaning or connotations of
>> >several words and phrases you use
>
>
>> Examples?
>
>___
>"The living portrait of a
>pregnant mother, aglow with fecundity, is a magnificent ///panorama/// that
>Lady
>Liberty smiles upon. "
>
>(this, by the way, is not grammatically "excellent," though the reasons I
>say that are nitpicky)
panorama: n. A picture or series of pictures representing a continuous scene,
often exhibited a part at a time by being unrolled and passed before the
spectator.
This was in reference to 'the living portrait' [an ever-changing image, and thus
'series of pictures'] of the mother. No improper usage there.
>
>"Americans had for some time been ///overshadowed/// by the sense that the
>nuclear-family unit could be replaced by a superior system. "
Nothing improper about that one either. For the most part, Americans have only
been *overshadowed* by that sentiment because they have yet to fully take it to
heart. The overwhelming feeling that a better way exists certainly hangs over
us. But most of us have yet to act on that.
>
>(this also has a grammatical problem)
Which you cannot specify (which doesn't surprise me in the least).
>
>"Mothers ask the questions; preachers spin their swindle as recompense, and
>day-care centers ///banter/// on about their rates, but Pornonationalists
>provide the
>final answers. "
banter: To speak to in a playful or teasing way.
Day-care workers are salespersons, and are hardly given to eschew all the tricks
of the trade when trying to ensnare the next customer.
>
>(you seem to be quite proud of your semicolons, young missy)
>___
>
>
>I found two more snorters, but beyond this I can't lend myself to your
>eviltude. Your usage is just close enough to common (and dictionary) meaning
>to be creepily weird, but it isn't "right."
Your critique is decidedly weak.
>
>>
>> Examples?
>>
>> , and your run-on sentences rival my own
>>
>> Examples?
>
>Pardon me. I got carried away. They do not actually run on.
At least you are now admitting to your dull scurrilities.
They are simply
>weaselly--the passive voice and future tense is obnoxious. The grammar is
>educated--not perfect, but perfectly pretentious.
The disagreement here would be with the style (you may consider it arrogant, for
example) and perhaps the content.
This is no doubt effective
>in impressing semi-literate people who want to identify with "power," but it
>would get you laughed out of any English classroom (and not because of the
>content, which is pretty laughable itself).
Well, I *know* this claim is wrong, because I was taking college-level English
while still in grade school. Not only did my instructor fail to 'laugh me out,'
she saved my essays to serve as examples of excellence for students to come.
>
>>
>> BTW, I have an excellent vocabulary, but that does not mean I know every
>> connotation and every meaning of every word.
>
>You ought to know the common meanings and connotations of the words you use.
>You apparently don't, though it's obvious that you sweated for many hours
>polishing up this screed.
I have an excellent vocabulary. Your 'critique' (and I use that term loosely)
has demonstrated your own ignorance of the English language.
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Daedra Morrighan
>
>The ancient archives of Sat, 03 Mar 2001 04:19:37 GMT showed
>Daedra Morrighan of alt.polyamory speaking thus:
>>In article <c3_n6.17647$UZ4.4...@news4.rdc1.on.home.com>, Jessy563 says...
>>>
>>>You are a creative nutcase.
>>
>>Creativity and insanity are inseparable comrades.
>
>
>Inseparable and complementary in your case, certainly. Zero creativity,
>absolute insanity.
How unfortunate it is for you that your dull protests against talent cannot
alter reality.
Miche
<Daedra...@newsranger.com> wrote:
> In article <c3_n6.17647$UZ4.4...@news4.rdc1.on.home.com>, Jessy563 says...
> >
> >You are a creative nutcase.
>
> Creativity and insanity are inseparable comrades.
As you have most ably demonstrated.
Miche
--
"... in the physics of the heart, distance is relative;
it is time that is absolute."
- Lois McMaster Bujold, _Shards of Honor_
Jessy563
that imposes a collective ideal on what should be considered personal space.
It foregoes the traditional individual mind-set, and imposes a collective
conciousness in its place. In short, it is a facist dictatorship which will
fall prey to the needs of the community instead of the rights on
individuals.
"Daedra Morrighan" <Daedra...@newsranger.com> wrote in message
news:xH%n6.1217$45....@www.newsranger.com...
Jim Roberts
Xiphias Gladius wrote:
> > People of European descent are very much in need of increased population
> > growth.
>
> Oh. I get it. I thought it was just unbearably confusing, ridiculous
> sensless tripe, but now I see that it is unbearably confusing, ridiculous
> senseless *racist* tripe.
>
> - Ian
>
Indeed, sounds like Nazi propaganda.
jimbat
Jim Roberts
Daedra Morrighan wrote:
[another horror.]
My first thought was that this person should be tracked down and buried in a peat bog
after a traditional Celtic garroting. But that's just my Irish and German ancestry
talking.
But let's be realistic. We ought to be for freedom of speech, though many in this
newsgroup find that a concept that doesn't apply unless they are posting. The
"Morrighan" has no chance of picking up converts here, and will provide much
opportunity for merriment and creative abuse in this newsgroup, which is so tired and
devoid of new blood that it's about to become a Kaffeeklatsch, having given up abusing
me long ago.
Abuse me! Worship the god Ali, David's Son. Where has the hatred of the jimbat gone?
A god needs to be worshipped, one way or another.
I suggest encouraging further posting. Might keep them off the street. And as for the
Swordfish (Xiphias), he has another fan! *I've* never had a fan like that.
jimbat
Ben Okopnik
Daedra Morrighan of alt.polyamory speaking thus:
>In article <slrn9a11u1.vfm...@Odin.Thor>, Ben Okopnik says...
>>
>>The ancient archives of Sat, 03 Mar 2001 04:19:37 GMT showed
>>Daedra Morrighan of alt.polyamory speaking thus:
>>>In article <c3_n6.17647$UZ4.4...@news4.rdc1.on.home.com>, Jessy563 says...
>>>>
>>>>You are a creative nutcase.
>>>
>>>Creativity and insanity are inseparable comrades.
>>
>>
>>Inseparable and complementary in your case, certainly. Zero creativity,
>>absolute insanity.
>
>How unfortunate it is for you that your dull protests against talent cannot
>alter reality.
Reality? Certainly; allow me to slam you head-first against the brick wall
that is the actual state of the world, as opposed to your skewed and crazed
perception:
You are a mewling, puking, sniveling, whining wannabe who has copied some
random political propaganda from those who have copied it from someone else
before them; a no-talent third-rater who has never had an original thought,
the intelligence to recognize one if it should occur, or the slightest
trace of ability necessary to take any advantage of such an occurrence. You
reek of soiled diapers, which you have not yet outgrown, and of stale
vomit, which is all that you have proven yourself capable of generating.
You are also grossly tedious, egregiously stupid, and eminently qualified
for my killfile.
*plonk!*
Ben "*yawn* so many trolls, so few garbage bins" Okopnik
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
We cannot leave our inner islands until we have slain our inner Gilligans.
Jim Roberts
Daedra Morrighan wrote:
[...]
>
> Xiphius Gladius et al. are no different than fundamentalist Christian idiots as
> far as narrow-mindedness and shortsightedness go. To them, wanting one's people
> to survive -- if you happen to be White -- is 'racist.'
>
[...]
The xiph is a moderately intelligent and broad-minded person whose morals and values
seem to be in order, based on the Humanistic Advisory Board. His weaknesses are not
within the purview of the HAB.
Wanting to survive is good. Thinking that you may have enemies is sane. If you are
living in a good house, have family around, and no one is ransacking your shops or
raping your women, and you still think that you have to attack your enemies, then you
are nuts. Go to Kalimantan.
jimbat
jimbat
Jim Roberts
Daedra Morrighan wrote:
> In article <c3_n6.17647$UZ4.4...@news4.rdc1.on.home.com>, Jessy563 says...
> >
> >You are a creative nutcase.
>
> Creativity and insanity are inseparable comrades.
>
No. Chaos precedes creativity. Insanity leads nowhere, by definition
[...]
jimbat
Jim Roberts
Kristal wrote:
No, the person is not an idiot. That is the danger. Read your history.
Nazis were also called idiots, but they weren't.
jimbat
Jim Roberts
Daedra Morrighan wrote:
> In article <xx%n6.17909$UZ4.5...@news4.rdc1.on.home.com>, Jessy563 says...
> >
> >Hence the word, "nutcase"
>
> Fair enough. But do tell me what objections you have to my 'nutty' ideas. Do you
> prefer the nuclear family? Do you find the national family model implausible?
>
Not at all. Kinder, Kirche, Kuche. More Kinder for the Vaterland.
jimbat
Rich
Daedra Morrighan wrote:
>
> In article <xx%n6.17909$UZ4.5...@news4.rdc1.on.home.com>, Jessy563 says...
> >
> >Hence the word, "nutcase"
>
> Fair enough. But do tell me what objections you have to my 'nutty' ideas. Do you
> prefer the nuclear family? Do you find the national family model implausible?
The idea of course, is that everyone is responsible for the woman's
children but the woman herself. We've been doing that for 30 years
and we now have 3rd generation welfare families, trillions of
dollars of national debt, and women are complaining louder than
ever.
Your key goal, it seems, is to destroy fatherhood, which is typical
feminism, as feminism hates fathers with a passion.
Rich
Daedra Morrighan
Nonsense. The idea is that every mother will love each child within the body of
the nation as if it had come from her own body. The great family of the people
should be recognized. It has nothing to do with "destroying fatherhood;" in
fact, men would have more a role in childrearing than under the present system,
obviously.
brakman
> >You are a creative nutcase.
>
> Creativity and insanity are inseparable comrades.
Some folks just do TOO much acid.
Daedra Morrighan
>talking.
>
>But let's be realistic. We ought to be for freedom of speech, though many in this
>newsgroup find that a concept that doesn't apply unless they are posting. The
>"Morrighan" has no chance of picking up converts here, and will provide much
>opportunity for merriment and creative abuse in this newsgroup, which is so tired and
>devoid of new blood that it's about to become a Kaffeeklatsch, having given up abusing
>me long ago.
Not really. Few have attacked my posts here. The ones that have are ignorant and
inarticulate (such as yourself). I have an excellent chance of winning
"converts" on Usenet, as several of our members first stumbled across us on that
medium.
Daedra Morrighan
>> >
>>
>>
It is for the return of slavery. It is also anti-semitic.
>> Also anti-homosexuality(but not bisexuality). Also anti-monogamy. Also
>> pro-rape.
>> This person is an idiot to say the least.
>>
>> Kristal
An anti-Semite is any person that Jews hate. Ask the Palestinian kids that are
getting gunned down at this very moment. The kosher press refers to them as
"anti-Semites," too.
>
>No, the person is not an idiot.
True; I am not. That truth serum works well, doesn't it?
Crazy Eddie
grammatically correct.
Unlike Daedra's post, though, it made sense, not just to someone who
believes that tripe(and has the patience to read through it), but to anyone
who can read.
Except maybe Daedra.
Ben Okopnik wrote in message ...
Daedra Morrighan
>
>Now that, to echo Daedra's collection of reviews, was eloquent, and
>grammatically correct.
> Unlike Daedra's post, though, it made sense, not just to someone who
>believes that tripe(and has the patience to read through it), but to anyone
>who can read.
> Except maybe Daedra.
Nonsense. Even some posters here who do not like my message have admitted that
it was well presented. Even Jim Roberts, who obviously dislikes my message,
admitted that I am not an idiot, and that this fact is what makes me dangerous.
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}Personally, I wrote off the original post and poster as soon as I got to
}the naked pregnant women dancing in moonbeams part. Dunno about you, but
}I've yet to read a political diatribe featuring naked pregnant women
}dancing in moonbeams that I found very practical or implementable.
I thought something like this could be found in old "Jerry Brown for
President" campaign literature.
RJ
Who likes the former "Governor Moonbeam" quite a lot, as the man is
still active in politics as a way of trying to be a civic leader and
not just as a way of becoming a money/power-grubbing tool.
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A Spondee
>Xiphius Gladius et al. are no different than fundamentalist Christian
>idiots as far as narrow-mindedness and shortsightedness go. To them,
>wanting one's people to survive -- if you happen to be White -- is
>'racist.'
No. Considering "one's people" to be the ones that match the color of
one's own skin, *THAT* is racist. We are all each other's people.
Fuck wit.
--
Piglet, pig...@piglet.org
40 days down
1420 to go.
serene -- Sandra Vannoy
<r...@stanford.edu> writes:
> Dunno about you, but
>I've yet to read a political diatribe featuring naked pregnant women
>dancing in moonbeams that I found very practical or implementable.
Yabbut, they're purty.
serene
--
http://www.scintilla.utwente.nl/asdfhjkl
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Lisa Geoffrion
<ylu25bp...@windlord.stanford.edu>
wrote:
>Dunno about you, but
>I've yet to read a political diatribe featuring naked pregnant women
>dancing in moonbeams that I found very practical or implementable.
Not only that, but it kinda _hurts_ to dance naked when you're pregnant!
(Well, in my own experience, anyways. Going bra-less after the fifth month is
ouchie)
Lisa, who is mourning the destruction of the statues
serene -- Sandra Vannoy
>No. Considering "one's people" to be the ones that match the color of
>one's own skin, *THAT* is racist. We are all each other's people.
>
>Fuck wit.
*swoon*
I <heart> Piglet.
serene, no news flash here
Daedra Morrighan
Vannoy says...
>
>In article <ylu25bp...@windlord.stanford.edu>, Russ Allbery
><r...@stanford.edu> writes:
>
>> Dunno about you, but
>>I've yet to read a political diatribe featuring naked pregnant women
>>dancing in moonbeams that I found very practical or implementable.
>
>Yabbut, they're purty.
>
>serene
But as Russ admitted, prudes like him do not find beauty to be "very practical
or implementable."
Kristal
<Daedra...@newsranger.com> wrote:
>
> An anti-Semite is any person that Jews hate. Ask the Palestinian kids that are
> getting gunned down at this very moment. The kosher press refers to them as
> "anti-Semites," too.
No you are clearly an anti-Semite under any defintion. Sample quote
that makes this obvious:
>Criminals that have aided and
>abetted the cancer of Judaic religion will replace innocents as the objects
>and tools of laboratory experimentation.
Kristal
Xiphias Gladius
> Mary MacTavish wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 03 Mar 2001 02:05:41 GMT, Daedra Morrighan
>> <Daedra...@newsranger.com> said:
>>
>> >People of European descent are very much in need of increased population growth.
>>
>> the earth by this sort of ethnic/"racial" division has been profound.
>> We share this place -- all of us. You don't have the right to fuck it
>> up for the rest of us.
> Why? Eurpoe is going to be facing a serious population decline in the next
> few decades. whit the early retirement age in some European antions (55
> IIRD) and the high levels of social benefits, they desperately need people
> to work. Otherwise they will be facing a major financial crisis.
That doesn't mean that "people of European descent" need population
growth.
That means that European countries need population growth. Since Daedra
is talking about the United States, as far as I can tell, it's simple
racism.
- Ian
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Daedra Morrighan
says...
So I take it that you want Judeo-Christians to decide how our country is ran, to
be allowed the franchise, to be permitted to set policies and place their own
interest over the national interest?
Xiphias Gladius
> ma...@removeleftoftheWwrexham.net (Mary MacTavish) writes:
>> On Sat, 03 Mar 2001 02:05:41 GMT, Daedra Morrighan
>> <Daedra...@newsranger.com> said:
>>
>> >People of European descent are very much in need of increased population growth.
>>
> of course this one is a troll. look at the original crosspost
> header:
> alt.flame.jesus.christ,alt.feminism,alt.parenting,alt.polyamory
>
> have more cheesecake. don't feed the trolls, feed yourself
> something yummy.
> "morrighan". what an appropriate choice of names, too. :-) just
> not a very inventive troll, sorry. try again some other time.
I believe that the Poronationalist Vanguard is an attempt to come up with
a group with which every person in the world, regardless of race, creed,
color, or mental deficiency or lack thereof will be violently opposed.
By tying White Supremacist racism with free love and sexuality, PV manages
to come up with something that *everybody* can hate. The only base not
covered is pedophilia.
Xiphias Gladius
> I suggest encouraging further posting. Might keep them off the street.
> And as for the
> Swordfish (Xiphias), he has another fan! *I've* never had a fan like that.
*grin*
Thank you, but I don't believe there's any credit to me here.
Daedra Morrighan
says...
>
>Scott Staten <sst...@erols.com> wrote:
>> Mary MacTavish wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 03 Mar 2001 02:05:41 GMT, Daedra Morrighan
>>> <Daedra...@newsranger.com> said:
>>>
>>> >People of European descent are very much in need of increased population growth.
>>>
>>> And people like you truly scare me. The *evil* that's been wreaked on
>>> the earth by this sort of ethnic/"racial" division has been profound.
>>> We share this place -- all of us. You don't have the right to fuck it
>>> up for the rest of us.
>
>> Why? Eurpoe is going to be facing a serious population decline in the next
>> few decades. whit the early retirement age in some European antions (55
>> IIRD) and the high levels of social benefits, they desperately need people
>> to work. Otherwise they will be facing a major financial crisis.
>
>That doesn't mean that "people of European descent" need population
>growth.
>
>That means that European countries need population growth. Since Daedra
>is talking about the United States, as far as I can tell, it's simple
>racism.
>
> - Ian
I'm talking about the United States and Europe. We have members in Europe,
particularly in Italy, France and Great Britain.
If all people of black African descent were in danger of extinction, you'd call
that impending genocide. If people of European descent are in danger of the
same, you call any opposition to that 'racism.'
D. Potter
>>"Xiphias Gladius wrote:
> > People of European descent are very much in need of increased population
> > growth.
>
> Oh. I get it. I thought it was just unbearably confusing, ridiculous
> sensless tripe, but now I see that it is unbearably confusing, ridiculous
> senseless *racist* tripe.
>
> - Ian
>
Indeed, sounds like Nazi propaganda.
jimbat"<<
Oh, goody.
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</Declaration>
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serene -- Sandra Vannoy
<Daedra...@newsranger.com> writes:
>But as Russ admitted, prudes like him do not find beauty to be "very
>practical or implementable."
Oh, please. I've only avoided plonking you because I never
read the original article, and I've been finding poking fun at
the subject matter amusing. I'm over it. You're boring.
*plonk*
serene
Xiphias Gladius
> In article <MoZn6.2298$lj4....@news6.giganews.com>, Xiphias Gladius
>> Oh. I get it. I thought it was just unbearably confusing, ridiculous
>> sensless tripe, but now I see that it is unbearably confusing, ridiculous
>> senseless *racist* tripe.
>>
> It is racist. It is for the return of slavery. It is also anti-semitic.
> Also anti-homosexuality(but not bisexuality). Also anti-monogamy. Also
> pro-rape.
Also, rape of children, mandatory abortion on demand, using "undesirables"
(meaning anybody but Anglo-Saxon Norse Pagans) for scientific research,
and so forth.
In other words, the Pornonationalist Vanguard is simply for *anything*
that might get a violently negative reaction from *anybody*.
So, this is either a troll -- and is, in fact, *too* over the top to be a
particularly clever one -- or this person is such a marginalized
personality to be any threat to anybody ever.
I believe it's a particularly uncreative troll, and therefore think that
investing any emotional energy into the thread is just playing into its
hands.
Xiphias Gladius
> "Jessy563" <Cl...@clone.com> wrote in message
> news:c3_n6.17647$UZ4.4...@news4.rdc1.on.home.com...
>> You are a creative nutcase.
>>
> Any creativity he has is wasted on this bullshit of his.
*Nod*. It's a simple formula. Find out everything that's important to
anybody, and say you're against it.
It's not actually that creative. It's just over-the-top trolling. And is
not worth worrying about.
Daedra Morrighan
>
>In other words, the Pornonationalist Vanguard is simply for *anything*
>that might get a violently negative reaction from *anybody*.
Elroy Willis, in alt.atheism, termed my "Covenant of the Flesh" piece "pretty
good stuff." St. Jackanapes tried to get him to rescind that compliment, which
he refused to do. Austrianatheist, in the same NG, in a discussion with me
voiced total agreement with my views on sexual liberation. Stillsunny, in the
"Alexandrias of Tomorrow" thread, said s/he disagreed with my message, but that
I "write stirring rhetoric." The poster "Jude," in the same newsgroup, said that
my ideas of sexual liberation are right on mark. Eric Cordian, in
alt.activism.children, said that I am at the forefront of progressive thinking
regarding children's freedom. "Jonathan," another such poster, said my
philosophy is "fascinating and entirely unique." In alt.satanism, Circe
(ci...@hotmail.com) said that my site looked professional and was interesting.
Ath...@home.com, in alt.atheism, said that my writing is excellent.
I did a search just now and could find all these positive responses on the first
couple pages of the search results. So, this is a tiny sample. They certainly
are not "negative," but are very positive feedback. Even the negative responses
are normally based on disagreement with my views, not with the way they are
presented.
Low-I.Q. PC idiots like you may certainly be offended, but that is OK. I would
be concerned if someone like *you* liked me. Afraid, very afraid.
>So, this is either a troll -- and is, in fact, *too* over the top to be a
>particularly clever one -- or this person is such a marginalized
>personality to be any threat to anybody ever.
(cath...@whitepine.com) puts it this way:
"People like the Pornonationalist Vanguard get to me. Trolls and
spammers don't. The Pornonationalist Vanguard could possibly be
dangerous, IMO, because they are so far on the outer fringes, so weird
and strange, that many people will figure nothing will come of their
"movement". That tendency to brush aside and overlook groups like that
is what makes them dangerous."
Officer James Harmon of CyberCop.com expressed a wish that all
Pornonationalists "jump off a cliff" because we support children's sexual
freedom. But "hate" monitor Steve Beikirch lamented that the
Pornonationalist Vanguard comprises a growing army and that all the
resources of the FBI should be appropriated to stop it.
>
>I believe it's a particularly uncreative troll
"I like your writing style. Not only that, you
really are a Promethean personality, (see:
Myers-Briggs type theory), like me, which I to
some extent find endearing." - here...@bresnanlink.net
Melisande
"Daedra Morrighan" <Daedra...@newsranger.com> wrote in message
news:3kXn6.1163$45....@www.newsranger.com...
> Nationalization of the family replaces internecine conflicts among
countrymen
> with all-encompassing unity of blood and purpose. The living portrait of a
> pregnant mother, aglow with fecundity, is a magnificent panorama that Lady
> Liberty smiles upon.
>
no
> longer evoke surprise. To witness a young woman, heavy with child, clad
only in
> sky and bathing in moonlight will be an event more common than the sunset.
When
> pregnancy no longer carries any stigma, that shall truly be a great new
day for
> our country.
>
For starters, have you read studies of places where some or all of this has
been tried? The most obvious examples come from kibbutz studies in Israel.
Extremely well-studied communes, where children were raised by "communities
as a whole." Didn't work. Failed. People favored their own biological
children. Read the studies.
(All the higher primates recognize their own offspring, as do some other
mammals...and treat them differently...it would be yet another instinctual
behavior to eradicate....don't we already have enough on our plate?)
Melisande
Daedra Morrighan
>
>In alt.polyamory Ahura <iv...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Jessy563" <Cl...@clone.com> wrote in message
>> news:c3_n6.17647$UZ4.4...@news4.rdc1.on.home.com...
>
>>> You are a creative nutcase.
>>>
>> Any creativity he has is wasted on this bullshit of his.
>
>*Nod*. It's a simple formula. Find out everything that's important to
>anybody, and say you're against it.
>
>It's not actually that creative. It's just over-the-top trolling. And is
>not worth worrying about.
>
> - Ian
He said I was *creative,* idiot. Creativity is that peculiar quality which I
possess in abundance but you will never have. Oh, by the way, do not confuse
what offends *you* with what offends "anybody." Many people are not offended at
all by what I say, nor is our message designed to be offensive...to anyone but
fools and tyrants.
Gwynyth
that Russ is coherent :)
Russ Allbery <r...@stanford.edu> wrote:
> serene <serene...@aol.com> writes:
> > Daedra Morrighan <Daedra...@newsranger.com> writes:
>
> >> People of European descent are very much in need of increased
> >> population growth.
>
> > Umm, *what*?
>
> Normally that particular statement carries with it an implicit "so that
> our population will grow at least as fast as Those People, since otherwise
> They will eventually outnumber us and destroy our civilization and way of
> life and enslave our children." (I'm still somewhat fluent in Extremist
> Nutball, due to an... um... oddly-spent youth.)
Yep.
Of course, I always have a problem figuring out which side of those
discussions I'm supposed to be on.
(Two grandparents are English, one is Austrian Catholic, the other was
Hungarian Jewish descent whose father had moved to Vienna in the
previous generation and who was by that time pretty areligious. I'm
first generation American-by-birth - my parents immmigrated when they
were in their twenties.)
So, see. I'm not sure whose side I'm on in all these discussions. Very
confusing.
Or it would be, if I cared about which side I should be on, rather than
having this weird idea that I don't really care what someone's genetic
or cultural background is - I do care what they're doing with their
brains and their actions in the present.
<snip>
> Personally, I wrote off the original post and poster as soon as I got to
> the naked pregnant women dancing in moonbeams part. Dunno about you, but
> I've yet to read a political diatribe featuring naked pregnant women
> dancing in moonbeams that I found very practical or implementable.
Personally, I'm only barely willing to consider a grand 'Everyone helps
raise children' scheme if it allows me to opt out (either temporarily or
permanently, based on my own assessment of my ability to act in a
parenting role) and only if it actually gives me reasonable rules
setting limits on said childen and enforcement of same.
It is my understanding that in the tribal societies that made this work,
there was a common and well understood set of things children should be
told not to do, and that there would be no repercussions for telling
them to behave within those guidelines. The society had the same basic
rules, which allowed the adult members of the tribe to function usefully
without constantly being interrupted by small children in inappropriate
ways, and anyone could correct said small children for that
inappropriate action.
I have no such hopes for modern society until and unless some pretty
major changes take place, and I will not place myself in responsiblty
for any child where I can not tell them 'no, that behavior is not
appropriate' (in appropriate language) and have that upheld by other
adults in the area. (Say, not screaming and running around in public
spaces not meant for screaming and running around, not going out of
one's way to disturb adults engaged in other tasks, and all the things
*I* learned very clearly when I was about 4. If not earlier. But I
remember knowing them when I was 4.) Say, getting appreciation when one
stops someone's child from doing something outright dangerous, rather
than attacks for daring to restrain the child or to speak to said child
firmly (that happens a lot more often than it used to)
That's the reason I won't ever place myself in a babysitting situation
for my sister - I have never been given authority to place limits on my
nephew which are appropriate, and which directly concern me (don't touch
the model horses in your aunt's room, they're a bit delicate and are not
toys [1]; don't wake up your aunt at 6:30 in the morning when she has
just finished finals just because you want to watch television on the TV
in the den where she is sleeping because you are sleeping in her bedroom
- where, it might be noted, there is also a TV and VCR, it's just a
slightly smaller and a good bit older set, and so on.)
This kind of behavior is something I see relatively regularly, including
parents of high school kids in the school I work in. (the number of
parent calling to ask for special dispensation because their 'kid didn't
feel like doing their homework' stories I've heard from teachers is ..
rather varied - and these are kids from families which are generally
very involved and concerned with their kids lives.)
And so, unless and until I actually get to have a chance to exert
reasonable restrictions on children I am supposed to be helping raise,
and have that supported by those around me, well, sorry. I'm not
interested in trying.
Never mind not being all that interested in having or raising kids to
start with. I start getting interested in teaching them sometime after
the first decade or so of their lives, when I can actually usefully
teach them the stuff I'm interested in.
[1] For a long time in my teens I collected both original Breyer model
horses (molded plastic), and what are known as remade/repainted/rehaired
ones, where limbs or necks are moved, the models are painted, and
artificial hair is added for mane and tail. The plastic models
themselves are only moderately delicate (the legs or tail can break off
if you drop them wrong or do some other stupid things), but the remade
ones are much more so, and most of those had values which run from $60
and up. As did some of the older ones. Not exactly *my* idea of an
appropriate toy for a 4 year old.
And of course, my bedroom *theoretically* being *my* bedroom at the
time, I hadn't locked everything away in case a four year old might be
staying there - I hadn't had time, I'd found out about said visit two
weeks earlier, and hadn't come home from college in the meantime, and
they got home before I did. They were, thankfully, all on upper shelves
of my bookshelves, and my sister did ask after handing one to my nephew,
but with the intonation of 'you inherited some of these from me and
they're just toys and not all that important' (Actually, none of the
ones out had ever been hers, though I did have some of hers - they were
all boxed away)
One of those models, in fact, had been made to represent my pony, who
had been put down earlier that fall, and which was, therefore, pretty
darn irreplaceable (above and beyond having been a present from my
father the last Christmas he was alive). Wouldn't you know that was the
one she thought was fine to give to my nephew before she thought to ask.
(said model is now safely back in my possession, and sitting happily on
my bedroom bookshelf out of reach of my resident feline)
--
Gwynyth
gwy...@polyamory.org
http://www.polyamory.org/~gwynyth
Xiphias Gladius
Xiphias Gladius <i...@io.com> wrote:
> I believe that the Poronationalist Vanguard is an attempt to come up with
> a group with which every person in the world, regardless of race, creed,
> color, or mental deficiency or lack thereof will be violently opposed.
> By tying White Supremacist racism with free love and sexuality, PV manages
> to come up with something that *everybody* can hate. The only base not
> covered is pedophilia.
Just checked the website -- I was wrong.
They *do* espouse pedophilia.
Pornonationalist Vanguard
Vannoy says...
>
Elroy Willis, in alt.atheism, termed my "Covenant of the Flesh" piece "pretty
good stuff." St. Jackanapes tried to get him to rescind that compliment, which
he refused to do. Austrianatheist, in the same NG, in a discussion with me
voiced total agreement with my views on sexual liberation. Stillsunny, in the
"Alexandrias of Tomorrow" thread, said s/he disagreed with my message, but that
I "write stirring rhetoric." The poster "Jude," in the same newsgroup, said that
my ideas of sexual liberation are right on mark. Eric Cordian, in
alt.activism.children, said that I am at the forefront of progressive thinking
regarding children's freedom. "Jonathan," another such poster, said my
philosophy is "fascinating and entirely unique." In alt.satanism, Circe
(ci...@hotmail.com) said that my site looked professional and was interesting.
Ath...@home.com, in alt.atheism, said that my writing is excellent.
I did a search just now and could find all these positive responses on the first
couple pages of the search results. So, this is a tiny sample. They certainly
are not "negative," but are very positive feedback. Even the negative responses
are normally based on disagreement with my views, not with the way they are
presented.
Low-I.Q. PC idiots like you may certainly be offended, but that is OK. I would
be concerned if someone like *you* liked me. Afraid, very afraid.
(cath...@whitepine.com) puts it this way:
"People like the Pornonationalist Vanguard get to me. Trolls and
spammers don't. The Pornonationalist Vanguard could possibly be
dangerous, IMO, because they are so far on the outer fringes, so weird
and strange, that many people will figure nothing will come of their
"movement". That tendency to brush aside and overlook groups like that
is what makes them dangerous."
Officer James Harmon of CyberCop.com expressed a wish that all
Pornonationalists "jump off a cliff" because we support children's sexual
freedom. But "hate" monitor Steve Beikirch lamented that the
Pornonationalist Vanguard comprises a growing army and that all the
resources of the FBI should be appropriated to stop it.
According to here...@bresnanlink.ne: "I like your writing style. Not only
that, you
really are a Promethean personality, (see:
Myers-Briggs type theory), like me, which I to
some extent find endearing." - here...@bresnanlink.net
Prudish hypocrites like you are not people I *want* on my side.
-- Daedra
Elynne
> Did you hear, incidentally, that some species of vandal cut the fiber optic
> cable connecting the SETI servers to the world?
And that the Taleban is in the process of destroying irreplaceable ancient
Buddhas in Afghanistan.
And that the X-33 (planned as the next generation of space shuttle) has
been scrapped.
*sigh*
Elynne, wanting to say something pithy here, but unable to come up with
anything
--
My web-page-esque-thing: http://www.tomorrowlands.org/elynne/index.html
"There are three kinds of people in the world: those who can count, and
those who can't."
Daedra Morrighan
Uniform, universal machinery for the upbringing of
>the
>> nation's children resurrects the Sappho and Socrates even as it banishes
>those
>> who rape children's sexual liberty.
>
>For starters, have you read studies of places where some or all of this has
>been tried? The most obvious examples come from kibbutz studies in Israel.
That is not true. Even Noam Chomsky admits that the kibbutz has nothing to do
with sexual liberation, which is a prerequisite for the national family model.
To compare the kibbutz with what I propose is, quite frankly, absurd.
>Extremely well-studied communes, where children were raised by "communities
>as a whole." Didn't work. Failed.
See above.
People favored their own biological
>children. Read the studies.
And who writes those studies? Doesn't surprise me that you believe everything
you read, but I am thankfully not afflicted with that problem.
Pornonationalist Vanguard:
http://tbns.net/carcassofgod
Contact:
Official: vang...@antisocial.com
Director: dae...@email.com
Secretary: gy...@email.com
"Even the noblest tactician may be driven to defeat, but only the truly diseased
will ever apologize for victory."
-- Daedra Morrighan
Elynne
> X person, in alt.a.different.group.than.this, termed my "Latest
> Incoherent Ramblings " piece "OK, but needs ketchup."
Golly, the lurkers really do support you in email! I'm impressed. Every
word you write Must Be Literally True. How can it possibly be flamebait
if a dozen untraceable Usenet posters say they agree with it? After all,
everybody who posts to Usenet must be an excellent source of intelligent,
honest criticism - unless, of course, they disagree with you, in which
case they are "PC idiots" and whatever else you don't like. :) I'll just
run right out and join your little group - um, what's it called,
NakedNeo-NaziPregnantPro-PopulationPagans?
Elynne, thinking that NN-NPP-PP looks like an amusing acronym, except that
there was a post recently that pointed out that it isn't really an acronym
at all, but she can't remember what it is that it's supposed to be instead
of an acronym, but it's still kind of funny
Elisabeth Riba
> Elroy Willis, in alt.atheism, termed my "Covenant of the Flesh" piece "pretty
> good stuff." St. Jackanapes tried to get him to rescind that compliment, which
> he refused to do. Austrianatheist, in the same NG, in a discussion with me
> voiced total agreement with my views on sexual liberation. Stillsunny, in the
> "Alexandrias of Tomorrow" thread, said s/he disagreed with my message, but that
> I "write stirring rhetoric." The poster "Jude," in the same newsgroup, said that
> my ideas of sexual liberation are right on mark. Eric Cordian, in
> alt.activism.children, said that I am at the forefront of progressive thinking
> regarding children's freedom. "Jonathan," another such poster, said my
> philosophy is "fascinating and entirely unique." In alt.satanism, Circe
> (ci...@hotmail.com) said that my site looked professional and was interesting.
> Ath...@home.com, in alt.atheism, said that my writing is excellent.
Have you shared your message with alt.childfree and alt.syntax.tactical yet??
--
----------> Elisabeth Anne Riba * l...@osmond-riba.org <----------
"[She] is one of the secret masters of the world: a librarian.
They control information. Don't ever piss one off."
- Spider Robinson, "Callahan Touch"
Daedra Morrighan
>
>Picking Russ's post to follow up on, for no particular reason other than
>that Russ is coherent :)
So am I, and also talented.
Elroy Willis, in alt.atheism, termed my "Covenant of the Flesh" piece "pretty
good stuff." Austrianatheist, in the same NG, in a discussion with me
voiced total agreement with my views on sexual liberation. Stillsunny, in the
"Alexandrias of Tomorrow" thread, said s/he disagreed with my message, but that
I "write stirring rhetoric." The poster "Jude," in the same newsgroup, said that
my ideas of sexual liberation are right on mark. Eric Cordian, in
alt.activism.children, said that I am at the forefront of progressive thinking
regarding children's freedom. "Jonathan," another such poster, said my
philosophy is "fascinating and entirely unique." In alt.satanism, Circe
(ci...@hotmail.com) said that my site looked professional and was interesting.
Ath...@home.com, in alt.atheism, said that my writing is excellent.
I did a search just now and could find all these positive responses on the first
couple pages of the search results. So, this is a tiny sample. They certainly
are not "negative," but are very positive feedback. Even the negative responses
are normally based on disagreement with my views, not with the way they are
presented.
Low-I.Q. PC idiots certainly be offended, but that is OK.
(cath...@whitepine.com) puts it this way:
"People like the Pornonationalist Vanguard get to me. Trolls and
spammers don't. The Pornonationalist Vanguard could possibly be
dangerous, IMO, because they are so far on the outer fringes, so weird
and strange, that many people will figure nothing will come of their
"movement". That tendency to brush aside and overlook groups like that
is what makes them dangerous."
Officer James Harmon of CyberCop.com expressed a wish that all
Pornonationalists "jump off a cliff" because we support children's sexual
freedom. But "hate" monitor Steve Beikirch lamented that the
Pornonationalist Vanguard comprises a growing army and that all the
resources of the FBI should be appropriated to stop it.
Here is what a person smarter than Xiphius Gladius said about my writing:
"I like your writing style. Not only that, you
really are a Promethean personality, (see:
Myers-Briggs type theory), like me, which I to
some extent find endearing." - here...@bresnanlink.net
Pornonationalist Vanguard:
Ben Okopnik
Gryph of alt.polyamory speaking thus:
>Despite my best intentions, as I was tiptoeing past the Parlor (with
>the Candlestick in my hand, trying to find Colonel Mustard) I couldn't
>help but overhear serene -- Sandra Vannoy saying:
>>In article <97ra8m$dgt$1...@news.panix.com>, pig...@panix.com (A Spondee) writes:
>>
>>>No. Considering "one's people" to be the ones that match the color of
>>>one's own skin, *THAT* is racist. We are all each other's people.
>>>
>>>Fuck wit.
>>
>>*swoon*
>>
>>I <heart> Piglet.
>>
>>serene, no news flash here
>
>
>And I <heart> Piglet too. :)
>
>member of the human race
Three <hearts> for Piglet! Hip-hip... oh, oops. :)
Ben "and a <swoon>, too" Okopnik
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
"A religion which requires persecution to sustain it is of the devil's
propagation." -- Hosea Ballou
Melisande
> In article <Bfbo6.2777$sC4.1...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net>, Melisande
says...
> Uniform, universal machinery for the upbringing of
> >the
> >> nation's children resurrects the Sappho and Socrates even as it
banishes
> >those
> >> who rape children's sexual liberty.
> >
> >For starters, have you read studies of places where some or all of this
has
> >been tried? The most obvious examples come from kibbutz studies in
Israel.
>
> That is not true. Even Noam Chomsky admits that the kibbutz has nothing to
do
> with sexual liberation, which is a prerequisite for the national family
model.
> To compare the kibbutz with what I propose is, quite frankly, absurd.
>
might think. What exactly do you mean by sexual liberation? Are we
speaking of totally random mating, generating sex partners through a
national lottery? You'll have a pretty hard sell there.
>
> >Extremely well-studied communes, where children were raised by
"communities
> >as a whole." Didn't work. Failed.
>
> See above.
>
> People favored their own biological
> >children. Read the studies.
>
> And who writes those studies? Doesn't surprise me that you believe
everything
> you read, but I am thankfully not afflicted with that problem.
Doesn't surprise me that (apparently) you can't use logic outside of a
pre-packaged bit of prose that you obviously crafted carefully. I admire
you though for attempting to improve your skills by debating on this forum.
Since you don't know me, your statement that I believe everything I read is
obvious fallacy. Your internal feelings of gratitude or thankfulness have
nothing to do with making an argument. And if I believed everything I read,
I'd believe _you_ , now wouldn't I? So we have a self-contradicting
statement. There must be a lot of angst and/or silliness inside you still
waiting to get out, so I'll look to your further posts as a test of my
hypothesis (that you can't think critically). In fact, I'll formulate my
view this way:
If you continue to use fallacious reasoning to support yourself, I'll assume
you do not have logic on your side.
Notice I haven't claimed anything about you...yet.
Melisande
P.S. If you want to persuade people to your argument, using an argument
that goes like this: [ You should agree with me because it makes me feel
good ] or some related argument will not be persuasive with _most_ folks.
Daedra Morrighan
says...
>
>On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Daedra Morrighan wrote:
>> X person, in alt.a.different.group.than.this, termed my "Latest
>> Incoherent Ramblings " piece "OK, but needs ketchup."
>
>Golly, the lurkers really do support you in email! I'm impressed. Every
>word you write Must Be Literally True. How can it possibly be flamebait
>if a dozen untraceable Usenet posters say they agree with it?
They are not only traceable, but I have met some of them or talked to them on
the phone. You can do a search for any of them.
I was taking college-level English while still in elementary school.
After all,
>everybody who posts to Usenet must be an excellent source of intelligent,
>honest criticism - unless, of course, they disagree with you, in which
>case they are "PC idiots" and whatever else you don't like. :)
LOL!
Daedra Morrighan
>
>
>"Daedra Morrighan" <Daedra...@newsranger.com> wrote in message
>news:Npbo6.1299$45....@www.newsranger.com...
>> In article <Bfbo6.2777$sC4.1...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net>, Melisande
>says...
>> Uniform, universal machinery for the upbringing of
>> >the
>> >> nation's children resurrects the Sappho and Socrates even as it
>banishes
>> >those
>> >> who rape children's sexual liberty.
>> >
>> >For starters, have you read studies of places where some or all of this
>has
>> >been tried? The most obvious examples come from kibbutz studies in
>Israel.
>>
>> That is not true. Even Noam Chomsky admits that the kibbutz has nothing to
>do
>> with sexual liberation, which is a prerequisite for the national family
>model.
>> To compare the kibbutz with what I propose is, quite frankly, absurd.
>>
>Then I guess what you are trying to propose is rather less clear than you
>might think.
I am honestly curious to read any evidence that might back up this assertion.
What exactly do you mean by sexual liberation? Are we
>speaking of totally random mating, generating sex partners through a
>national lottery?
We are speaking of abolishing the sexual usury that perpetuates monogamy,
abstinence and other behavioral aberrations. We are speaking of allowing our
natural inclinations to achieve victory.
The repression of female sexuality is the jailer's turnkey that keeps so many in
the "nuclear family" prison. Ending this repression will unlock that door.
The Sinclair Intimacy Institute notes that "there is no evidence
whatsoever to suggest that because women have less testosterone than
men do, they have lower sexual interest than their male counterparts.
Instead, it seems that women detect and react to much smaller amounts
of testosterone in their circulation than men do."
Dr. Lisa Waltz, ND, DD notes that "most women have far more sex drive than men,"
but are also (in some ways) weaker and more impressionable, and thus vulnerable
to memetic conditioning.
It ever there could be a noble one, one noble as a frontline soldier, it is she
whose lust, and lust alone, makes us free.
>You'll have a pretty hard sell there.
King George told the patriots of the American Revolution that they were fighting
for a lost cause. But the revolutionaries went on to trounce feudalism and
regain the crown for the common man.
Revolutionary change always seems unlikely to those who are, for whatever
reasons, seemingly in love with the status quo.
>
>>
>> >Extremely well-studied communes, where children were raised by
>"communities
>> >as a whole." Didn't work. Failed.
>>
>> See above.
>>
>> People favored their own biological
>> >children. Read the studies.
>>
>> And who writes those studies? Doesn't surprise me that you believe
>everything
>> you read, but I am thankfully not afflicted with that problem.
>
>Doesn't surprise me that (apparently) you can't use logic outside of a
>pre-packaged bit of prose that you obviously crafted carefully. I admire
>you though for attempting to improve your skills by debating on this forum.
>Since you don't know me, your statement that I believe everything I read is
>obvious fallacy. Your internal feelings of gratitude or thankfulness have
>nothing to do with making an argument. And if I believed everything I read,
>I'd believe _you_ , now wouldn't I? So we have a self-contradicting
>statement.
You are taking the statement too literally, but your point is taken.
There must be a lot of angst and/or silliness inside you still
>waiting to get out, so I'll look to your further posts as a test of my
>hypothesis (that you can't think critically). In fact, I'll formulate my
>view this way:
>
>If you continue to use fallacious reasoning to support yourself, I'll assume
>you do not have logic on your side.
>
>Notice I haven't claimed anything about you...yet.
>
>Melisande
>
>P.S. If you want to persuade people to your argument, using an argument
>that goes like this: [ You should agree with me because it makes me feel
>good ] or some related argument will not be persuasive with _most_ folks.
Elroy Willis, in alt.atheism, termed my "Covenant of the Flesh" piece "pretty
good stuff." St. Jackanapes tried to get him to rescind that compliment, which
he refused to do. Austrianatheist, in the same NG, in a discussion with me
voiced total agreement with my views on sexual liberation. Stillsunny, in the
"Alexandrias of Tomorrow" thread, said s/he disagreed with my message, but that
I "write stirring rhetoric." The poster "Jude," in the same newsgroup, said that
my ideas of sexual liberation are right on mark. Eric Cordian, in
alt.activism.children, said that I am at the forefront of progressive thinking
regarding children's freedom. "Jonathan," another such poster, said my
philosophy is "fascinating and entirely unique." In alt.satanism, Circe
(ci...@hotmail.com) said that my site looked professional and was interesting.
Ath...@home.com, in alt.atheism, said that my writing is excellent.
I did a search just now and could find all these positive responses on the first
couple pages of the search results. So, this is a tiny sample. They certainly
are not "negative," but are very positive feedback. Even the negative responses
are normally based on disagreement with my views, not with the way they are
presented.
Low-I.Q. PC idiots like are certainly offended, but that is OK.
(cath...@whitepine.com) puts it this way:
"People like the Pornonationalist Vanguard get to me. Trolls and
spammers don't. The Pornonationalist Vanguard could possibly be
dangerous, IMO, because they are so far on the outer fringes, so weird
and strange, that many people will figure nothing will come of their
"movement". That tendency to brush aside and overlook groups like that
is what makes them dangerous."
Officer James Harmon of CyberCop.com expressed a wish that all
Pornonationalists "jump off a cliff" because we support children's sexual
freedom. But "hate" monitor Steve Beikirch lamented that the
Pornonationalist Vanguard comprises a growing army and that all the
resources of the FBI should be appropriated to stop it.
here...@bresnanlink.net notes that:
"I like your writing style. Not only that, you
really are a Promethean personality, (see:
Myers-Briggs type theory), like me, which I to
some extent find endearing."
Xiphias Gladius
> In article <O2bo6.5205$lj4.1...@news6.giganews.com>, Xiphias Gladius
> says...
>>> "Jessy563" <Cl...@clone.com> wrote in message
>>>> You are a creative nutcase.
[ . . . ]
>>It's not actually that creative. It's just over-the-top trolling. And is
>>not worth worrying about.
> He said I was *creative,* idiot.
Nota Bene, anyone who still considers DM worth responding to.
I know that there may be a few of you out there who are a little worried
that there might be slightest chance that someone will take DM seriously
someday.
Perhaps you were a bit worried by the "testimonials" DM has posted.
But here before you is an example of what DM considers a "testimonial."
If someone considers DM a "creative nutcase", DM will choose to use that
quote as a testimonial.
Consider that. And now consider what the nature of DM's other
testimonials must be.
Note, too, that DM is at this point following up to most of these things
with simple boilerplate -- in order to keep the thread going -- a tool of
a particularly lame, and lazy, troll.
Now, me, I've occasionally trolled, myself -- heck, I recently started a
thread with literally hundreds of posts with at least a half-dozen people
arguing about whether the sky was blue. That takes *skill*. Okay, that
would be more impressive if I was actually *trying* to troll in that case,
rather than simply having a mental quirk at being annoyed at people who
state that the sky is blue, even when it's *obviously* cloudy out -- or
even at night. But still -- that is the *sort* of thing which makes a
*skilled* troll.
Now, sure, you're getting some responses, which is, I suppose, one of the
ways that trolls mark success. But you've got no *artistry.* Oooh. You
take things that are emotionally charged and make sure to take the most
inflamatory position. And you do this *so* broadly and *so*
indiscriminately that it's just, well, *lame*.
Getting people to fight about things which *aren't* important -- whether
the sky is blue, what the chances are when you stick with the door you
originally picked or switch for "what's behind door number 2" in "Let's
Make a Deal" or why the Nova didn't sell well in Mexico -- that's skill.
Getting people to fight about things they care about? What's the
challenge in that?
fairest one
: In article <1epp25l.qt3a8db5fj54N@[209.98.58.220]>, Gwynyth says...
:>
:>Picking Russ's post to follow up on, for no particular reason other than
:>that Russ is coherent :)
: So am I, and also talented.
yes, your cutting and pasting skills are amazing!
now knock it off!
b.
--
"I think when my litter was being taught these skills, I was back
in the den dismembering a vole." --jon carroll, sfgate, 12.07.00
Xiphias Gladius
[ . . . ]
> I did a search just now and could find all these positive responses on the first
> couple pages of the search results. So, this is a tiny sample. They certainly
> are not "negative," but are very positive feedback. Even the negative responses
> are normally based on disagreement with my views, not with the way they are
> presented.
> Low-I.Q. PC idiots like are certainly offended, but that is OK.
You forgot to insert a name between "like" and "are" in your boilerplate.
You may want to stick something in there, like "INSERTNAMEHERE" so that
you don't do so again. It makes everything too obvious.
Oh, and you may want to rephrase the "I did a search just now and. . . "
part, because when you see the exact same wording over and over again, it
makes it clear that it's a cut-and-paste job, making it less and less
likely that you "did a search just now."
Perhaps "I recently searched for and could find. . . " That doesn't have
the implication that you're doing so *every* time, which is obviously not
true, since you would eventually have turned up *different* quotes, if it
were. This way, by using the "recently searched for" construction, it
becomes clear that these are all the result of the same search.
Now, you and I (and, let's face it, *most* of the people reading this)
both know that the search never took place, but my phrasing is at least a
little less obvious.
And don't leave out the name you have to insert. It just looks sloppy.
Elynne
> In article <Pine.LNX.4.21.010303...@fnord.io.com>, Elynne
> >word you write Must Be Literally True. How can it possibly be flamebait
> >if a dozen untraceable Usenet posters say they agree with it?
> They are not only traceable, but I have met some of them or talked to them on
> the phone. You can do a search for any of them.
Did you know that the number of e-mail addresses posted to Usenet come up
to five times the population of Earth? I don't, but it sounds like an
amusing pseudo-fact.
> I was taking college-level English while still in elementary school.
As was I. Hooray! I also had a perfect attendance record for three
quarters in high school, and they gave me little certificates for them and
everything. I missed out on the gold-foil certificate for perfect
year-round attendance when I was caught cutting class, though.
> After all,
> >everybody who posts to Usenet must be an excellent source of intelligent,
> >honest criticism - unless, of course, they disagree with you, in which
> >case they are "PC idiots" and whatever else you don't like. :)
> LOL!
Well, it's true, isn't it?
Elynne, watching _Ghost Dog_ in the background, not paying enough
attention to really understand it, but enjoying the little snips
PapaBear
<Daedra...@newsranger.com> wrote:
>If all people of black African descent were in danger of extinction, you'd call
>that impending genocide. If people of European descent are in danger of the
>same, you call any opposition to that 'racism.'
No - genocide is when someone actively sets out to deliberately wipe
out all members of a race - if the race is dying out on its own that
is more extinction than genocide.
People of european descent are hardly in any danger of extinction.
PapaBear
--
I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself.
A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough
Without ever feeling sorry for itself.
"Self Pity" -- D H Lawrence
Elisabeth Riba
> couple pages of the search results. So, this is a tiny sample. They certainly
> are not "negative," but are very positive feedback. Even the negative responses
> are normally based on disagreement with my views, not with the way they are
> presented.
Could you please specify which search engine you used and how you phrased
the query?
Ben Okopnik
Elynne of alt.polyamory speaking thus:
>On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Daedra Morrighan wrote:
>> X person, in alt.a.different.group.than.this, termed my "Latest
>> Incoherent Ramblings " piece "OK, but needs ketchup."
>
>Golly, the lurkers really do support you in email! I'm impressed. Every
>word you write Must Be Literally True. How can it possibly be flamebait
>if a dozen untraceable Usenet posters say they agree with it? After all,
>everybody who posts to Usenet must be an excellent source of intelligent,
>honest criticism - unless, of course, they disagree with you, in which
>case they are "PC idiots" and whatever else you don't like. :) I'll just
>run right out and join your little group - um, what's it called,
>NakedNeo-NaziPregnantPro-PopulationPagans?
>
>Elynne, thinking that NN-NPP-PP looks like an amusing acronym, except that
>there was a post recently that pointed out that it isn't really an acronym
>at all, but she can't remember what it is that it's supposed to be instead
>of an acronym, but it's still kind of funny
It's an initialism. And you are screamingly funny. :)
Ben "can I <swoon> on 'funny'? Can I? Oh, thank you. <swoon>" Okopnik
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James Nicoll
Elynne <ely...@fnord.io.com> wrote:
>On 3 Mar 2001, D. Potter wrote:
>> Did you hear, incidentally, that some species of vandal cut the fiber optic
>> cable connecting the SETI servers to the world?
>
>And that the Taleban is in the process of destroying irreplaceable ancient
>Buddhas in Afghanistan.
>
>And that the X-33 (planned as the next generation of space shuttle) has
>been scrapped.
It had served its purpose of detering the development of cheap
space craft for a while. You have cheap spacecraft, you also have cheap
ICBMs.
--
"Somehow I managed to get a job as an apprentice structural engineering
draughtsman, where I was supposed to design buildings which people would
sit in and the roof would not fall down and kill them. A big responsibility
for someone whose total education had come from PLANET STORIES." Bob Shaw
RJ
}I was taking college-level English while still in elementary school.
You might want to try taking them at a time in your life when you
can understand the concepts being taught. Your prose style as
displayed here seems to indicate to me that you missed the point of
the lessons the first time around.
===== RJ Johnson ==================================== r...@xocolatl.com =====
Xander: Who's the little fear demon? Come on, who's the little fear demon?
Giles: Don't taunt the fear demon. Xander: Why? Can he hurt me?
Giles: No, it's just... tacky.
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RJ
}Getting people to fight about things which *aren't* important -- whether
}the sky is blue, what the chances are when you stick with the door you
}originally picked or switch for "what's behind door number 2" in "Let's
}Make a Deal" or why the Nova didn't sell well in Mexico -- that's skill.
That isn't skill, Ian; that is 955 of Usenet.
Heather Anne Nicoll
> Dunno about you, but
> I've yet to read a political diatribe featuring naked pregnant women
> dancing in moonbeams that I found very practical or implementable.
Russ, please do allow me to place this sentence in an honored position
in my quotes file.
- Darkhawk, vastly amused
--
Heather Nicoll - Darkhawk - http://aelfhame.net/~darkhawk/
Not heaven or hell, just the land between.
-- VNV Nation, "Joy"
Russ Allbery
>> Dunno about you, but I've yet to read a political diatribe featuring
>> naked pregnant women dancing in moonbeams that I found very practical
>> or implementable.
> Russ, please do allow me to place this sentence in an honored position
> in my quotes file.
Heh. Sure. :)
--
Russ Allbery (r...@stanford.edu) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
Ben Okopnik
James Nicoll of alt.polyamory speaking thus:
>In article <Pine.LNX.4.21.010303...@fnord.io.com>,
>Elynne <ely...@fnord.io.com> wrote:
>>
>>And that the X-33 (planned as the next generation of space shuttle) has
>>been scrapped.
>
> It had served its purpose of detering the development of cheap
>space craft for a while. You have cheap spacecraft, you also have cheap
>ICBMs.
<blank look> Is this from the "cut off your hand so thieves can't steal
your watch" school of philosophy? Poor reasoning, that.
If medicine is available, so is poison. If effective defense against crime
is available, so are murder weapons. If cheap public fora are available, so
are opportunities for trolls (c.f. Naked Pregnant Moon-unit).
If you have cheap spacecraft, you have the beginnings of hope for almost
certain survival of the human race.
Ben "ever hear of backing up your data?" Okopnik
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Elf
Ben Okopnik <ben-fu...@geocities.com> wrote in message
news:slrn9a197o.j8...@Odin.Thor...
> Reality? Certainly; allow me to slam you head-first against the brick wall
> that is the actual state of the world, as opposed to your skewed and
crazed
> perception:
>
> You are a mewling, puking, sniveling, whining wannabe who has copied some
> random political propaganda from those who have copied it from someone
else
> before them; a no-talent third-rater who has never had an original
thought,
> the intelligence to recognize one if it should occur, or the slightest
> trace of ability necessary to take any advantage of such an occurrence.
You
> reek of soiled diapers, which you have not yet outgrown, and of stale
> vomit, which is all that you have proven yourself capable of generating.
>
> You are also grossly tedious, egregiously stupid, and eminently qualified
> for my killfile.
>
> *plonk!*
>
*swoon*
Elf
deeply, deeply impressed
Romanadvoratrelundar
Daedra Morrighan <Daedra...@newsranger.com> wrote:
> In article <1epp25l.qt3a8db5fj54N@[209.98.58.220]>, Gwynyth says...
>>
>>Picking Russ's post to follow up on, for no particular reason other than
>>that Russ is coherent :)
>
> So am I, and also talented.
Thank you, I was feeling a little sleepy today. A nice bout of helpless
laughter has cleared that right up.
--
Copyright 2001 Kylee Peterson. Still no hyperlinks allowed.
one guileless rose
> People of European descent are very much in need of increased population
growth.
Oooh! I get to post one of my favorite URLS:
http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/
Have fun, folks.
--Rose
--
There is something about singing--for me, anyway. It cleanses my heart.
It makes me whole again. I would sing, and I would become stronger.
--Sharon Shinn, _Archangel_
http://i.am/rwp * Spamfree email: <myfirstname>@callahans.org
one guileless rose
wrote:
> I did a search just now and could find all these positive responses on the
> first couple pages of the search results.
I did a search of my memory just now and recalled reading a very nearly
identical post from you to another part of the thread. Out of curiosity,
if your fans are so numerous, why do you need to repost the positive
reviews rather than coming up with others, especially since they're so
easy to find?
one guileless rose
Xiphias Gladius <i...@io.com> wrote:
> Getting people to fight about things which *aren't* important -- whether
> the sky is blue, what the chances are when you stick with the door you
> originally picked or switch for "what's behind door number 2" in "Let's
> Make a Deal" or why the Nova didn't sell well in Mexico -- that's skill.
How about whether there should have been a serial comma after that last
double-quote?
Ooh! I know! Is it "anal-retentive" or "anal retentive"? Discuss.
one guileless rose
Daedra Morrighan <Daedra...@newsranger.com> wrote:
> The idea is that every mother will love each child within the body of the
> nation as if it had come from her own body.
Given some mothers I've known, this is an utterly terrifying idea.
Should I ever have children, you can bet your shiny buttons that a
number of other mothers will not be permitted anywhere near them, lest
they demonstrate the "love" they have inflicted--sadly, horribly--upon
their own offspring.
"Love thy neighbor as thyself" doesn't work unless you love yourself.
"Love this child as your child" doesn't work unless you love your child.
Some mothers appear to believe that children emerge from the _other_
opening between their legs, and treat them accordingly.
> in fact, men would have more a role in childrearing than under the present
> system, obviously.
They, too, will love each child as if it had come from their own bodies?
You can't dictate love. You can dictate demonstrations of feelings, and
only permit "appropriate" demonstrations of "appropriate" feelings, but
that won't change the feelings themselves.
one guileless rose
Daedra Morrighan <Daedra...@newsranger.com> wrote:
> We are speaking of abolishing the sexual usury that perpetuates monogamy,
> abstinence and other behavioral aberrations. We are speaking of allowing
> our natural inclinations to achieve victory.
"Let your natural inclinations achieve victory--or else!"?
I'm translating most of this as "I want to have lots of sex and that
probably means I'll end up having lots of kids, so I'd better find some
way to make other people take care of them so that I can go have more
sex". Why don't you try your theories out on a nice island somewhere,
and then when it's a roaring success, present it to the American people
so that they can greet you with the acclaim you deserve and will turn
their society upside down without a second thought? It's always nice to
have a test case; and on the island, you won't even have to worry about
cleansing the population, since you can pick who you bring with you, so
most of the hard work is already done. You could even make sure that you
only bring people who agree with you! Granted, that might bias the test
case results a bit, but not _very_ much, and it would be so great to
have such overwhelming evidence that you really can make all of this
work.
one guileless rose
Uncle Judas
Daedra...@newsranger.com says...
> Nationalization of the family replaces internecine conflicts among countrymen
> with all-encompassing unity of blood and purpose. The living portrait of a
> pregnant mother, aglow with fecundity, is a magnificent panorama that Lady
> Liberty smiles upon.
My good god what horrible, pretentious syntax! And the
gratuitous use of archaic and redundant words can only
be taken as an attempt to elevate the author above his
intended audience.
Just what the hell does any of this mean, anyway? I mean,
"all-encompassing unity of blood"; is this some twisted
reference to menstruation? Who the fuck is "Lady Liberty",
and why should I care if she smiles at pregnant women? Is
that some kind of lesbian reference?
I've seen better writing coming out of my local primary
school. There's just no chance that I'm going to plod
through any more of this drivel.
Uncle Judas
Heather Anne Nicoll
> Have you shared your message with alt.childfree and alt.syntax.tactical yet??
I have a disturbing mental image of a discussion of proper martial uses
for pony verbs and the proper implementation of conjunction protocols
for superior logistics. . . .
- Darkhawk, pondering strategic interjections
Cardinal Feng
says...
Did you know that if you keep Daedra plonked, then the afjc traffic drops
by nearly 50%? You have use the "silent plonk", though.
John Clark
Kristal wrote:
> In article <MoZn6.2298$lj4....@news6.giganews.com>, Xiphias Gladius
> <i...@io.com> wrote:
>
> > Oh. I get it. I thought it was just unbearably confusing, ridiculous
> > sensless tripe, but now I see that it is unbearably confusing, ridiculous
> > senseless *racist* tripe.
> >
>
> It is racist. It is for the return of slavery. It is also anti-semitic.
It is perhaps a minor nit, but I don't see propalestinian as anti-semitic...
but
perhaps the only semites in the world are those now occupying
Palestine.
And of course, if one speaks of 'racism' then the brand that Spike
Lee engages (or has engaged) in, may be classed as gentile bigotry,
in the same vein as my mother's, on the topic of interracial marriage,
where as that of Farakhan is equal that of any of the white supremists,
as far as I'm concerned.