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Why Sandy Will Have Zero Impact On the Burning of Fossil Carbon
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Bret Cahill
Nov 4, 2012, 12:14:09 PM11/4/12
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The biggest factor is something every climate scientist will readily
admit. Even if all 9 billion humans were somehow induced to stop
burning fossil carbon tomorrow the earth would still continue to warm
for decades.
So even after making all these nearly impossible to meet concessions
we would still be facing the costs of ever more extreme weather for
decades.
The despotic teabag congress is more likely to toss you a bone than
Mother Nature.
Any tragedy of the commons situation requires a political solution.
Most humans don't think on decades long time scales. Most voters are
like infants and want -- and need -- relief _now_, i.e., "I want to
fuel my SUV _now_, THIS MINUTE!"
Politicians know this and Bloomberg will go back to being mum on the
matter even before all the lights are back on in NY.
The argument against geo engineering solutions is that it is
unpredictable and not "natural." Unpredictability is better than
certain death. Besides we are in effect already doing something that
isn't natural. We are already geo engineering, just not in the right
direction.
Bret Cahill
admit. Even if all 9 billion humans were somehow induced to stop
burning fossil carbon tomorrow the earth would still continue to warm
for decades.
So even after making all these nearly impossible to meet concessions
we would still be facing the costs of ever more extreme weather for
decades.
The despotic teabag congress is more likely to toss you a bone than
Mother Nature.
Any tragedy of the commons situation requires a political solution.
Most humans don't think on decades long time scales. Most voters are
like infants and want -- and need -- relief _now_, i.e., "I want to
fuel my SUV _now_, THIS MINUTE!"
Politicians know this and Bloomberg will go back to being mum on the
matter even before all the lights are back on in NY.
The argument against geo engineering solutions is that it is
unpredictable and not "natural." Unpredictability is better than
certain death. Besides we are in effect already doing something that
isn't natural. We are already geo engineering, just not in the right
direction.
Bret Cahill
Immortalist
Nov 4, 2012, 1:11:04 PM11/4/12
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point: what if there is nothing we could do to stop all the pollution
and atmospheric changes? Do we just wait our turn in each local for a
catastrophe like hurricane Sandy? Mckibben wrote a book called Eaarth,
with 2 a's and he claims that the earth we live on now is definitely
not the same earth that humans lived on some decades. ago and that
there is no way back we already crossed the line. There is probably a
way to slow or stop the decay of this rock but what if there were not?
Would we be wasting our time trying?
http://www.billmckibben.com/eaarth/eaarthbook.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ3PTDLadTo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3L1uZ3Chtg
Chom Noamsky
Nov 4, 2012, 1:22:22 PM11/4/12
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Bret Cahill
Nov 4, 2012, 1:49:49 PM11/4/12
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human life.
Bret Cahill
Chom Noamsky
Nov 4, 2012, 2:04:40 PM11/4/12
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conservationism. Guys like David Suzuki liken humans to maggots then
wonder why environmentalists are characterized as anti-human.
Bret Cahill
Nov 4, 2012, 2:11:20 PM11/4/12
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> > The biggest factor is something every climate scientist will readily
> > admit. Even if all 9 billion humans were somehow induced to stop
> > burning fossil carbon tomorrow the earth would still continue to warm
> > for decades.
>
> > So even after making all these nearly impossible to meet concessions
> > we would still be facing the costs of ever more extreme weather for
> > decades.
>
> > The despotic teabag congress is more likely to toss you a bone than
> > Mother Nature.
>
> > Any tragedy of the commons situation requires a political solution.
> > Most humans don't think on decades long time scales. Most voters are
> > like infants and want -- and need -- relief _now_, i.e., "I want to
> > fuel my SUV _now_, THIS MINUTE!"
>
> > Politicians know this and Bloomberg will go back to being mum on the
> > matter even before all the lights are back on in NY.
>
> > The argument against geo engineering solutions is that it is
> > unpredictable and not "natural." Unpredictability is better than
> > certain death. Besides we are in effect already doing something that
> > isn't natural. We are already geo engineering, just not in the right
> > direction.
>
> > Bret Cahill
>
> Humans have created a monster that they cannot stop.
Certainly not by going back in time to "greenola natural."
> > admit. Even if all 9 billion humans were somehow induced to stop
> > burning fossil carbon tomorrow the earth would still continue to warm
> > for decades.
>
> > So even after making all these nearly impossible to meet concessions
> > we would still be facing the costs of ever more extreme weather for
> > decades.
>
> > The despotic teabag congress is more likely to toss you a bone than
> > Mother Nature.
>
> > Any tragedy of the commons situation requires a political solution.
> > Most humans don't think on decades long time scales. Most voters are
> > like infants and want -- and need -- relief _now_, i.e., "I want to
> > fuel my SUV _now_, THIS MINUTE!"
>
> > Politicians know this and Bloomberg will go back to being mum on the
> > matter even before all the lights are back on in NY.
>
> > The argument against geo engineering solutions is that it is
> > unpredictable and not "natural." Unpredictability is better than
> > certain death. Besides we are in effect already doing something that
> > isn't natural. We are already geo engineering, just not in the right
> > direction.
>
> > Bret Cahill
>
> Humans have created a monster that they cannot stop.
> You raise a good
> point: what if there is nothing we could do to stop all the pollution
> and atmospheric changes?
geo engineering.
Geo engineering has come to mean bio geo engineering mostly because
the chances of anything else working seem so remote.
In this situation, no stone should be left unturned.
> Do we just wait our turn in each local for a
> catastrophe like hurricane Sandy? Mckibben wrote a book called Eaarth,
> with 2 a's and he claims that the earth we live on now is definitely
> not the same earth that humans lived on some decades. ago and that
> there is no way back we already crossed the line. There is probably a
> way to slow or stop the decay of this rock but what if there were not?
> Would we be wasting our time trying?
_more_ burning of fossil carbon, i.e., more pumps for irrigation,
etc., so instead of nice "dove tails" you just get a lot of vicious
circle "positive feedback" loops.
Most deaths will come from geo wars, not famines, because it is a lot
easier politically to start a war against a country "stealing" water
than for a politician to convince his own people to accept famines.
The only realistic hope is something like an alge bloom. If you don't
like biological solutions then start looking for some kind of really
really cheap PV -- something that can be sprayed by aircraft to cover
thousands of square miles -- that turns CO2 into carbon more
effectively than any photosynthesis.
There may be a real opportunity here as plants are < 1% efficient.
Bret Cahill
Bret Cahill
Nov 4, 2012, 2:13:00 PM11/4/12
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Bret Cahill
Chom Noamsky
Nov 4, 2012, 2:22:54 PM11/4/12
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it was quite successful with its primary objective of causing a plankton
bloom and improving salmon stocks. The UN shat its pants and considers
it a rogue act, seems the UN is dead against even researching
technological solutions, or perhaps it wants to enforce an environmental
dictatorship over the planet.
Bernice Canady
Nov 4, 2012, 7:07:46 PM11/4/12
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An ultra-left old fool. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:13:57 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
<BretC...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>3/4ths support tax hikes on the rich.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
McClatchy-Marist Poll. Nov. 8-10, 2011.
"Increases in taxes on higher-income Americans"
11/8-10/11
Should 67%
Should not 30%
http://pollingreport.com/budget.htm
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http://www.democrathallofshame.com/
encourage them to continue lying.
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:13:57 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
<BretC...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>3/4ths support tax hikes on the rich.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
McClatchy-Marist Poll. Nov. 8-10, 2011.
"Increases in taxes on higher-income Americans"
11/8-10/11
Should 67%
Should not 30%
http://pollingreport.com/budget.htm
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Bret Cahill
Nov 5, 2012, 11:45:44 AM11/5/12
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ecological disaster. They should only be used as a last resort.
But if acidification is going to kill much marine life _anyway_ why
not just do the bloom in the next few years and at least keep the port
cities and estuaries from getting flooded with sea water, not to
mention provide farmers with relief from "different" weather.
Bret Cahill
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Nov 5, 2012, 1:26:00 PM11/5/12
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CAN'T GET ANY !!!!!! But why should Obama give a 'Rat's ass, the
heater and a/c work great on AF1 and the taxpayers keep the fuel tanks
topped off.
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Nov 5, 2012, 1:28:13 PM11/5/12
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>
> - Show quoted text -
I hope you are the first to freeze in the dark or be eaten alive by a
wild animal while huddled in a cave with a few dozen of your fellow
raving lunatic "global warmers".
dav...@agent.com
Nov 5, 2012, 3:02:06 PM11/5/12
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"Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"
<burto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Bret Cahill <Bret_E_Cah...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> The biggest factor is something every climate scientist will readily
>> admit. �Even if all 9 billion humans were somehow induced to stop
>> burning fossil carbon tomorrow the earth would still continue to warm
>> for decades.
>> [...]
>Bret Cahill <Bret_E_Cah...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> The biggest factor is something every climate scientist will readily
>> admit. �Even if all 9 billion humans were somehow induced to stop
>> burning fossil carbon tomorrow the earth would still continue to warm
>> for decades.
>> The argument against geo engineering solutions is that it is
>> unpredictable and not "natural." �Unpredictability is better than
>> certain death. �Besides we are in effect already doing something that
>> isn't natural. �We are already geo engineering, just not in the right
>> direction.
>
>> unpredictable and not "natural." �Unpredictability is better than
>> certain death. �Besides we are in effect already doing something that
>> isn't natural. �We are already geo engineering, just not in the right
>> direction.
>
>The poor schlubs in the northeast can't burn fossil fuels BECAUSE THEY
>CAN'T GET ANY !!!!!! But why should Obama give a 'Rat's ass, the
>heater and a/c work great on AF1 and the taxpayers keep the fuel tanks
>topped off.
How are things in the tsunami-hit areas of Japan?
>CAN'T GET ANY !!!!!! But why should Obama give a 'Rat's ass, the
>heater and a/c work great on AF1 and the taxpayers keep the fuel tanks
>topped off.
Q JINN
Nov 5, 2012, 3:12:20 PM11/5/12
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Bret Cahill
Nov 5, 2012, 5:45:41 PM11/5/12
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as well. This proves that H. Heine was correct.
Anyway no one suggested immediately getting off fossil fuel. That's
why many are looking at geo engineering.
Bret Cahill
"Those who burn books will, before long, burn human beings."
-- H. Heine.
Harold Burton
Nov 5, 2012, 9:28:50 PM11/5/12
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In article
<70dc8177-430a-42ee...@me7g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
Which makes them different from Democrats, how?
snicker
<70dc8177-430a-42ee...@me7g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
snicker
Nickname unavailable
Nov 6, 2012, 12:06:17 AM11/6/12
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On Nov 5, 8:28 pm, Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In article
> <70dc8177-430a-42ee-98e1-3cc5b46a4...@me7g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
when are you going to apologize for calling our WWII vets war
criminals.
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.economics/browse_thread/...
Harold Burton
View profile
More options May 19, 8:14 pm
In article
<90d4c035-5a00-4dc5-b0c5-3b981dc6d...@s9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
Well doh. Democrat FDR proved that in the 40s when he firebombed
thousands of innocent women and children in Dresden, Tokyo and
numerous
other cities.
snicker
you were responded to promptly by a patriot.
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.economics/browse_thread/...
While It's ALWAYS DISconcerting To Encounter a HOPELESS IGNORAMUS,
it is Conversely, a GREAT PLEASURE To Illustrate - And Hopefully
DISSIPATE - The HARM of The DEPENDABLY, Self-Serving, Fact-
INTOLERANT, Delusional And INTRACTABLE IGNORANCE of such Notable
RighTARDS as "Harold Burton"...
THUS: The Rationale For AND Decision To Bomb [FIRST With High-
Explosives, THEN With Incendiaries] Dresden [Among OTHER High-Value
Targets] Was a - Waaaaait Forrr Iiiiiit - *British* Undertaking...
FDR's Involvement being Limited To his Administration's LONG-Standing
Acquiescence To Placing [American] Eighth Air Force assets At The
Disposal Of British Air Marshalls... As Would Be Expected Of a GOOD
War-Time Ally...
ERGO: *The British* Bombed Dresden [Among OTHER High-Value
Targets] employing Combined Military Assets of British and American
Forces... The *British* FIRST Low-Level Attacking at *Night*, Per
British Strategy; American Forces [Under *British* Command] High-
Level Attacking by Next Daylight...
ERGO - The Sequel: CONTRARY To Harold The RighTARD's HOPELESSLY
IGNORANT And Self-Serving, Ignoramus-Speak Blather, FDR had LITTLE OR
NOTHING To Do With The Bombing Of Dresden and Most Likely, Wasn't
Even Aware that The British High Command had Determined To Bomb
Several East German Cities, In Aid Of The Burgeoning Russian
Advance...
even after knowing the slaughter of americans in the Philippines,
and all of the other atrocities commited by them, they would have to
be worn down, as they tried to do to us.
and here is your response, you defended the nazis, and now you defend
the imperialists japanese.
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.economics/browse_thread/...
The CiC takes ultimate responsibility for what our armed services do.
The buck stopped at FDR's desk.
> . . . .and Most Likely, Wasn't Even
> Aware that The British High Command had Determined To Bomb Several
> East German Cities, In Aid Of The Burgeoning Russian Advance...
Hahahahahahahahahaha. Now THAT's even funnier.
I also notice you did your best to ignore the firebombing of
Tokyo . . . and Osaka . . . and Kobe . . . and Fukuoka . . . and,
oh hell just check out http://www.ditext.com/japan/napalm.html. How
are you going to blame that on the Brits?
then i demanded a apology,
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.economics/browse_thread/...
and he owes WWII vets a apology.
you said,
Just as you owe sentient beings an apology
Hahahahahahahahahahah
you sir are not only a liar, but a unpatriotic one at that.
and you added this recently
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.economics/browse_thread/...
. . . and deliberately targeting and murdering civilians.
snicker
> In article
> <70dc8177-430a-42ee-98e1-3cc5b46a4...@me7g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
criminals.
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.economics/browse_thread/...
Harold Burton
View profile
More options May 19, 8:14 pm
In article
<90d4c035-5a00-4dc5-b0c5-3b981dc6d...@s9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
Well doh. Democrat FDR proved that in the 40s when he firebombed
thousands of innocent women and children in Dresden, Tokyo and
numerous
other cities.
snicker
you were responded to promptly by a patriot.
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.economics/browse_thread/...
While It's ALWAYS DISconcerting To Encounter a HOPELESS IGNORAMUS,
it is Conversely, a GREAT PLEASURE To Illustrate - And Hopefully
DISSIPATE - The HARM of The DEPENDABLY, Self-Serving, Fact-
INTOLERANT, Delusional And INTRACTABLE IGNORANCE of such Notable
RighTARDS as "Harold Burton"...
THUS: The Rationale For AND Decision To Bomb [FIRST With High-
Explosives, THEN With Incendiaries] Dresden [Among OTHER High-Value
Targets] Was a - Waaaaait Forrr Iiiiiit - *British* Undertaking...
FDR's Involvement being Limited To his Administration's LONG-Standing
Acquiescence To Placing [American] Eighth Air Force assets At The
Disposal Of British Air Marshalls... As Would Be Expected Of a GOOD
War-Time Ally...
ERGO: *The British* Bombed Dresden [Among OTHER High-Value
Targets] employing Combined Military Assets of British and American
Forces... The *British* FIRST Low-Level Attacking at *Night*, Per
British Strategy; American Forces [Under *British* Command] High-
Level Attacking by Next Daylight...
ERGO - The Sequel: CONTRARY To Harold The RighTARD's HOPELESSLY
IGNORANT And Self-Serving, Ignoramus-Speak Blather, FDR had LITTLE OR
NOTHING To Do With The Bombing Of Dresden and Most Likely, Wasn't
Even Aware that The British High Command had Determined To Bomb
Several East German Cities, In Aid Of The Burgeoning Russian
Advance...
even after knowing the slaughter of americans in the Philippines,
and all of the other atrocities commited by them, they would have to
be worn down, as they tried to do to us.
and here is your response, you defended the nazis, and now you defend
the imperialists japanese.
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.economics/browse_thread/...
The CiC takes ultimate responsibility for what our armed services do.
The buck stopped at FDR's desk.
> . . . .and Most Likely, Wasn't Even
> Aware that The British High Command had Determined To Bomb Several
> East German Cities, In Aid Of The Burgeoning Russian Advance...
Hahahahahahahahahaha. Now THAT's even funnier.
I also notice you did your best to ignore the firebombing of
Tokyo . . . and Osaka . . . and Kobe . . . and Fukuoka . . . and,
oh hell just check out http://www.ditext.com/japan/napalm.html. How
are you going to blame that on the Brits?
then i demanded a apology,
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.economics/browse_thread/...
and he owes WWII vets a apology.
you said,
Just as you owe sentient beings an apology
Hahahahahahahahahahah
you sir are not only a liar, but a unpatriotic one at that.
and you added this recently
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.economics/browse_thread/...
. . . and deliberately targeting and murdering civilians.
snicker
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