Newsgroups: alt.politics
From: Student Loan Shark <hic...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 03:28:25 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Oct 31 2012 6:28 am
Subject: Re: General To Lose His Job For Trying To Save Americans
On Monday, October 29, 2012 8:04:46 AM UTC-4, Joel Edge wrote:
By far the worst administration I have seen in action was the Reagan Cartel. You deserve to be beaten to death.
> On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 18:19:07 -0400, Hell Stomper wrote > (in article > <97261360-7991-48cf-823c-c7274a1d6...@b6g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>):
> > Is an American General losing his job for trying to save the Americans
> > besieged in Benghazi? This is the latest potential wrinkle in the
> > growing scandal surrounding the September 11, 2012 terrorist attack
> > that left four men dead and President Obama scrambling for a coherent
> > explanation.
> > On October 18, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta appeared unexpectedly
> > at an otherwise unrelated briefing on “Efforts to Enhance the
> > Financial Health of the Force." News organizations and CSPAN were told
> > beforehand there was no news value to the event and gave it scant
> > coverage. In his brief remarks Mr. Panetta said, "Today I am very
> > pleased to announce that President Obama will nominate General David
> > Rodriguez to succeed General Carter Ham as commander of U.S. Africa
> > Command.” This came as a surprise to many, since General Ham had only
> > been in the position for a year and a half. The General is a very well
> > regarded officer who made AFRICOM into a true Combatant Command after
> > the ineffective leadership of his predecessor, General William E.
> > "Kip" Ward. Later, word circulated informally that General Ham was
> > scheduled to rotate out in March 2013 anyway, but according to Joint
> > doctrine, "the tour length for combatant commanders and Defense agency
> > directors is three years." Some assumed that he was leaving for
> > unspecified personal reasons.
> > However on October 26, "Ambassador" posted the following RUMINT on
> > TigerDroppings (h/t Jim Hoft):
> > I heard a story today from someone inside the military that I trust
> > entirely. The story was in reference to General Ham that Panetta
> > referenced in the quote below.
> > quote:
> > "(The) basic principle is that you don't deploy forces into harm's way
> > without knowing what's going on; without having some real-time
> > information about what's taking place," Panetta told Pentagon
> > reporters. "And as a result of not having that kind of information,
> > the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen.
> > Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk
> > in that situation."
> > The information I heard today was that General Ham as head of Africom
> > received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/
> > support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a
> > rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had
> > a unit ready.
> > General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to
> > screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute
> > after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended
> > General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.
> > The story continues that now General Rodiguez would take General Ham's
> > place as the head of Africom.
> > This version of events contradicts Mr. Panetta’s October 25 statement
> > that General Ham advised against intervention. But so far there is
> > nothing solid to back it up. Maybe Ham attempted to send a reaction
> > force against orders, or maybe he simply said the wrong thing to the
> > wrong people. Perhaps he gave whomever he was talking to up the chain
> > a piece of his mind about leaving Americans to die when there was a
> > chance of saving them. At the very least U.S. forces might have made
> > those who killed our people pay while they were still on the scene.
> > The Obama White House is famously vindictive against perceived
> > disloyalty – the administration would not let Ham get away with
> > scolding them for failing to show the leadership necessary to save
> > American lives. The Army's ethos is to leave no man behind, but that
> > is not shared by a president accustomed to leading from that location.
> > The question remains why the repeated requests – which is to say
> > desperate pleas – to send a relief force were refused. Perhaps Mr.
> > Obama and his national security brain trust thought the terrorist
> > assault would be a minor skirmish and quickly blow over. When it
> > became clear that the attack was something more serious, they may have
> > had visions of the rescue team getting involved in a Mogadishu-like
> > firefight, a “Blackhawk Down 2.” This would have been too much for the
> > risk-averse Mr. Obama, particularly in a Muslim country, and less than
> > two months before the election. Instead they simply watched the live
> > video hoped for the best. If there were American fatalities, they felt
> > they could shift blame for the circumstance to the supposed Youtube
> > video which they had already blamed for the riot at the U.S. Embassy
> > in Cairo hours earlier. In fact the Embassy had sent out its “apology”
> > tweets even before the Cairo riot commenced.
> > Hillary Clinton’s freakishly bizarre statement on September 14 is also
> > worth noting. At a memorial service to the fallen she told Charles
> > Woods, father of slain former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods, that “we will
> > make sure that the person who made that film is arrested and
> > prosecuted." In that situation one would expect her to vow to take
> > down the terrorists who killed Tyrone, not the supposed instigator of
> > the spontaneous mob action that never happened.
> > But since when does the Secretary of State feel it is her duty to
> > promise to have an American filmmaker who has committed no crime
> > arrested? For all the bowing and scraping to Islam that has gone on in
> > the last four years, blasphemy against that or any other faith is
> > still not illegal in this country. The First Amendment still exists.
> > It is strange that Mrs. Clinton believed that the parents of the slain
> > Americans would empathize with her outrage at the filmmaker, rather
> > than reserve their anger for the extremists who actually did the
> > killing. But as Mr. Woods said, he "could tell that she was not
> > telling me the truth." Indeed the truth has been the fifth casualty in
> > this entire tragic affair.
> This administration isn't slow to abandon people to save it's own skin. > What's really frightening is their tendency to think that the public is this > stupid. Not surprising, but frightening. Along with all of the above and > getting close to an election, there wasn't any leadership with the balls to > do the right thing. General Ham apparently made the right choice and is now > suffering for it. I expect after a few years we'll know the full extent of > the cowardice and failure that is the current Obama-Democrat administration.
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