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ColdWarDinosaur
Nov 10, 2012, 8:37:42 AM11/10/12
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They are doubling down and will be going for impeachment instead. Just
like the good old days. They are going to try to stop Obama by making
the conversation ONLY about Benghazi. Not jobs, not the economy, not
anything meaningful for the public that kicked them in the nuts, only
Benghazi. Thats it, the sole topic of conversation (unless some of
them become infected by sanity).
This could be a Congressional version of Pickett's Charge...
--
~~
HW
__________________
The GOP Claim TO Be Christian but:
Are Capitalist Extremists.
Support Law of the Jungle, Survival of the Richest.
Are Racists.
Are Pro-War.
Are Pro-Torture.
Are Pro-Execution.
Are Pro-Money-lender.
Despise Human Rights.
Despise The Poor.
Despise Women.
They appear to be against everything Jesus stood for.
Who are these people really??
like the good old days. They are going to try to stop Obama by making
the conversation ONLY about Benghazi. Not jobs, not the economy, not
anything meaningful for the public that kicked them in the nuts, only
Benghazi. Thats it, the sole topic of conversation (unless some of
them become infected by sanity).
This could be a Congressional version of Pickett's Charge...
--
~~
HW
__________________
The GOP Claim TO Be Christian but:
Are Capitalist Extremists.
Support Law of the Jungle, Survival of the Richest.
Are Racists.
Are Pro-War.
Are Pro-Torture.
Are Pro-Execution.
Are Pro-Money-lender.
Despise Human Rights.
Despise The Poor.
Despise Women.
They appear to be against everything Jesus stood for.
Who are these people really??
David Hartung
Nov 10, 2012, 9:49:40 AM11/10/12
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On 11/10/2012 07:37 AM, ColdWarDinosaur wrote:
> They are doubling down and will be going for impeachment instead. Just
> like the good old days. They are going to try to stop Obama by making
> the conversation ONLY about Benghazi. Not jobs, not the economy, not
> anything meaningful for the public that kicked them in the nuts, only
> Benghazi. Thats it, the sole topic of conversation (unless some of
> them become infected by sanity).
>
> This could be a Congressional version of Pickett's Charge...
If Obama did indeed lie about, and try to cover up what happened at
> They are doubling down and will be going for impeachment instead. Just
> like the good old days. They are going to try to stop Obama by making
> the conversation ONLY about Benghazi. Not jobs, not the economy, not
> anything meaningful for the public that kicked them in the nuts, only
> Benghazi. Thats it, the sole topic of conversation (unless some of
> them become infected by sanity).
>
> This could be a Congressional version of Pickett's Charge...
Behghazi, then he derserves to be impeached. As a practical matter, such
an impeachment is a wast of time with the current makeup of the Senate.
The Democrat majority will refuse to convict, and they will be aided by
the same spineless Republicans who refused to convict Clinton.
It would be a better use of time and resources for conservatives to
concentrate on creating a truly conservative political party with
national credibility.
Ramon F. Herrera
Nov 10, 2012, 10:10:40 AM11/10/12
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On Nov 10, 8:49 am, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
> It would be a better use of time and resources for conservatives
> to concentrate on creating a truly conservative political party
> with national credibility.
It will go like this:
> It would be a better use of time and resources for conservatives
> to concentrate on creating a truly conservative political party
> with national credibility.
- "Let's start a truly conservative party!!!"
- A large percentage of conservative America: "Yeah!! Where do I send
my contributions???"
- "Ehem, there is one caveat, though: This time, bigotry will not be
tolerated..."
- crickets...
- "Hello? Where is everybody?" (*)
Don't believe me, David. You thing I am imagining things? Want some
evidence?
Ladies and and Gentlemen of the Jury, Your Honor, if it please the
Court I present:
THE TEA PARTY.
Q.E.D.
"Past is prologue" -S. Palin
-Ramon
(*) More seriously: If you take any substantial action trying to
repress the DNA-ingrained tendencies of such group who naturally
gravitates around the GOP, your new spanking shiny party will be Epic
==> FAIL. The only political factors who are trying to find a way
around this existential conundrum are Jeb Bush and Lindsay Graham.
GOP, don't alienate Latino voters - Frog - Scorpion - It is in my
nature
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/23/opinion/navarrette-gop-debate
wy
Nov 10, 2012, 10:13:16 AM11/10/12
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beyond that embraced in the confederate states, where Romney got the
bulk of his votes, at least two-thirds just from half the states he
won. It's 3/4 if you include Florida as a win for him. The rest of
the country doesn't think like the confederate states and that's why
especially from this point forward Repugnants are going to have one
hell of a time in reclaiming the White House again - because they live
by their own conservatism which, by definition, means they're
resistant to change.
David Hartung
Nov 10, 2012, 10:37:11 AM11/10/12
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David Hartung
Nov 10, 2012, 10:38:26 AM11/10/12
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wy
Nov 10, 2012, 10:42:18 AM11/10/12
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votes Romney got from them. Otherwise, his votes would've been more
evenly spread across the country in terms of percentages if there was
something really in common between southern right wingnuts and the
rest of the country's right wingnuts.
David Hartung
Nov 10, 2012, 10:51:30 AM11/10/12
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http://tinyurl.com/a8vwjva
Obviously you haven't.
Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
Nov 10, 2012, 11:06:45 AM11/10/12
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On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:37:11 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
Really? You've never been to TN, NC, SC, VA, GA, FL, MS, AL, LA, AR,
or TX.
-- Every weekend at many places in the South there's a "Civil War
battle re-enactment" somewhere.
-- People still join the Sons of the Confederacy or the United
Daughters of the Confederacy.
-- Several states still observe the birthdays of Lee and Jackson.
or TX.
-- Every weekend at many places in the South there's a "Civil War
battle re-enactment" somewhere.
-- People still join the Sons of the Confederacy or the United
Daughters of the Confederacy.
-- Several states still observe the birthdays of Lee and Jackson.
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Rebel
Nov 10, 2012, 11:16:46 AM11/10/12
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Anyone attempting to impeach the president for the sake of political
gain should be publicly hung for high treason.
That's what Superbowl halftime should be for.
wy
Nov 10, 2012, 11:17:18 AM11/10/12
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http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/President/2012/
2/3 of the total national votes came from just 11 confederate states.
3/4 if you factor in Florida.
ColdWarDinosaur
Nov 10, 2012, 11:26:52 AM11/10/12
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bean-counting, or does that not apply when you see impeachment as a
political ploy to disable a presidency? I think you are done...
ColdWarDinosaur
Nov 10, 2012, 11:35:20 AM11/10/12
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ColdWarDinosaur
Nov 10, 2012, 11:36:06 AM11/10/12
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ColdWarDinosaur
Nov 10, 2012, 11:38:02 AM11/10/12
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On 11/10/2012 11:07 AM, Morgoth Bauglir wrote:
>
>> They are doubling down and will be going for impeachment instead. Just
>> like the good old days. They are going to try to stop Obama by making
>> the conversation ONLY about Benghazi. Not jobs, not the economy, not
>> anything meaningful for the public that kicked them in the nuts, only
>> Benghazi. Thats it, the sole topic of conversation (unless some of
>> them become infected by sanity).
>>
> That should ensure Hillary Clinton's election in 2016.
>
>> They are doubling down and will be going for impeachment instead. Just
>> like the good old days. They are going to try to stop Obama by making
>> the conversation ONLY about Benghazi. Not jobs, not the economy, not
>> anything meaningful for the public that kicked them in the nuts, only
>> Benghazi. Thats it, the sole topic of conversation (unless some of
>> them become infected by sanity).
>>
>
She's past it. Have you seen how the strain of the job has taken it
out of her? She's done.
David Hartung
Nov 10, 2012, 12:16:05 PM11/10/12
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David Hartung
Nov 10, 2012, 12:16:54 PM11/10/12
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district lines are meaningless.
David Hartung
Nov 10, 2012, 12:18:02 PM11/10/12
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David Hartung
Nov 10, 2012, 12:20:10 PM11/10/12
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On 11/10/2012 10:08 AM, Morgoth Bauglir wrote:
>
>> It would be a better use of time and resources for conservatives to
>> concentrate on creating a truly conservative political party with
>> national credibility.
>
> That's impossible.
>
>> It would be a better use of time and resources for conservatives to
>> concentrate on creating a truly conservative political party with
>> national credibility.
>
Possibly, but in 1994 there were many who claimed it was impossible that
the Republicans could take both houses of Congress, yet they did just that.
Jay Herblock
Nov 10, 2012, 12:20:20 PM11/10/12
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On Nov 10, 8:37 am, ColdWarDinosaur <wynnehen...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> They are doubling down and will be going for impeachment instead. Just
> like the good old days. They are going to try to stop Obama by making
> the conversation ONLY about Benghazi.
That's really stupid.
> They are doubling down and will be going for impeachment instead. Just
> like the good old days. They are going to try to stop Obama by making
> the conversation ONLY about Benghazi.
Only three US personnel were lost at Bengazi.
Maybe someone should take a look at Dumbya Bush's fake war which cost
the US 6000+ military lives?
Daniel W. Rouse Jr.
Nov 10, 2012, 1:00:04 PM11/10/12
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"ColdWarDinosaur" <wynnehenry!@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:k7llb9$l16$1...@dont-email.me...
discussion than to go for impeachment.
When planning to impeach the president, there doesn't need to be any
consideration about any good done for the country. Is there a high crime and
misdemeanor? Yes? Can it be an impeachable offense? Yes? Then there isn't
any further discussion, go for impeachment.
[snip...]
news:k7llb9$l16$1...@dont-email.me...
> They are doubling down and will be going for impeachment instead. Just
> like the good old days. They are going to try to stop Obama by making
> the conversation ONLY about Benghazi. Not jobs, not the economy, not
> anything meaningful for the public that kicked them in the nuts, only
> Benghazi. Thats it, the sole topic of conversation (unless some of
> them become infected by sanity).
>
If Benghazi is a high crime and misdemenor, there need be no further
> like the good old days. They are going to try to stop Obama by making
> the conversation ONLY about Benghazi. Not jobs, not the economy, not
> anything meaningful for the public that kicked them in the nuts, only
> Benghazi. Thats it, the sole topic of conversation (unless some of
> them become infected by sanity).
>
discussion than to go for impeachment.
When planning to impeach the president, there doesn't need to be any
consideration about any good done for the country. Is there a high crime and
misdemeanor? Yes? Can it be an impeachable offense? Yes? Then there isn't
any further discussion, go for impeachment.
[snip...]
ColdWarDinosaur
Nov 10, 2012, 1:02:00 PM11/10/12
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gerrymandering factored in.
ColdWarDinosaur
Nov 10, 2012, 1:02:50 PM11/10/12
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ColdWarDinosaur
Nov 10, 2012, 1:14:24 PM11/10/12
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about your backward, racist, misogynistic, plutocratic agenda. There
is NO way forward for the GOP unless they ditch people like you. You
have no growth path with single women, Hispanics, Blacks, the educated
and Fox has lied you into early senility.
Daniel W. Rouse Jr.
Nov 10, 2012, 1:22:07 PM11/10/12
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"ColdWarDinosaur" <wynnehenry!@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 11/10/2012 1:00 PM, Daniel W. Rouse Jr. wrote:
>> "ColdWarDinosaur" <wynnehenry!@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:k7llb9$l16$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> They are doubling down and will be going for impeachment instead. Just
>>> like the good old days. They are going to try to stop Obama by making
>>> the conversation ONLY about Benghazi. Not jobs, not the economy, not
>>> anything meaningful for the public that kicked them in the nuts, only
>>> Benghazi. Thats it, the sole topic of conversation (unless some of
>>> them become infected by sanity).
>>>
>> If Benghazi is a high crime and misdemenor, there need be no further
>> discussion than to go for impeachment.
>>
>> When planning to impeach the president, there doesn't need to be any
>> consideration about any good done for the country. Is there a high
>> crime and misdemeanor? Yes? Can it be an impeachable offense? Yes?
>> Then there isn't any further discussion, go for impeachment.
>
> Total crap. You clearly don't care about the USA as a whole, only
> about your backward, racist, misogynistic, plutocratic agenda. There
> is NO way forward for the GOP unless they ditch people like you. You
> have no growth path with single women, Hispanics, Blacks, the educated
> and Fox has lied you into early senility.
>
Did you get that from the talking heads on MSNBC? Chris Matthews, Rachel
>> "ColdWarDinosaur" <wynnehenry!@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:k7llb9$l16$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> They are doubling down and will be going for impeachment instead. Just
>>> like the good old days. They are going to try to stop Obama by making
>>> the conversation ONLY about Benghazi. Not jobs, not the economy, not
>>> anything meaningful for the public that kicked them in the nuts, only
>>> Benghazi. Thats it, the sole topic of conversation (unless some of
>>> them become infected by sanity).
>>>
>> If Benghazi is a high crime and misdemenor, there need be no further
>> discussion than to go for impeachment.
>>
>> When planning to impeach the president, there doesn't need to be any
>> consideration about any good done for the country. Is there a high
>> crime and misdemeanor? Yes? Can it be an impeachable offense? Yes?
>> Then there isn't any further discussion, go for impeachment.
>
> Total crap. You clearly don't care about the USA as a whole, only
> about your backward, racist, misogynistic, plutocratic agenda. There
> is NO way forward for the GOP unless they ditch people like you. You
> have no growth path with single women, Hispanics, Blacks, the educated
> and Fox has lied you into early senility.
>
Maddow, Ed Schultz, et. al.
I don't know, I don't care, but you bash FOX News?
wy
Nov 10, 2012, 1:24:36 PM11/10/12
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given Romney 2/3 (3/4 with Florida) of the Repugnant votes he got.
ColdWarDinosaur
Nov 10, 2012, 1:25:11 PM11/10/12
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David Hartung
Nov 10, 2012, 2:37:23 PM11/10/12
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Show cause and effect.
wy
Nov 10, 2012, 2:46:17 PM11/10/12
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quarter to a third voted for Romney in the rest of the country, while
the majority of his votes came from just all 11 (12 with Florida)
confederate states. How many states in the US? 50? And Romney got
approximately 70% of his votes concentrated in just 1/5th of the
states? If that doesn't scream Southern right wingnut regionalism,
well, then you tell me what does.
Ramon F. Herrera
Nov 10, 2012, 3:22:36 PM11/10/12
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On Nov 10, 9:38 am, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
> On 11/10/2012 09:10 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>
> > - "Let's start a truly conservative party!!!"
>
> > - A large percentage of conservative America: "Yeah!! Where do I send
> > my contributions???"
>
> > - "Ehem, there is one caveat, though: This time, bigotry will not be
> > tolerated..."
>
> > - crickets...
>
> > - "Hello? Where is everybody?" (*)
>
> > Don't believe me, David. You thing I am imagining things? Want some
> > evidence?
>
> > Ladies and and Gentlemen of the Jury, Your Honor, if it please the
> > Court I present:
>
> > THE TEA PARTY.
>
> > Q.E.D.
>
> > "Past is prologue" -S. Palin
>
> > -Ramon
>
> > (*) More seriously: If you take any substantial action trying to
> > repress the DNA-ingrained tendencies of such group who naturally
> > gravitates around the GOP, your new spanking shiny party will be Epic
> > ==> FAIL. The only political factors who are trying to find a way
> > around this existential conundrum are Jeb Bush and Lindsay Graham.
>
> > GOP, don't alienate Latino voters - Frog - Scorpion - It is in my
> > nature
>
> > http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/23/opinion/navarrette-gop-debate
>
> Your own bigotry is showing.
Being against political IDEAS is not bigotry.
-Ramon
"The left hates ideas (which is fine!!!)...
... the Right, people" -Moi
> On 11/10/2012 09:10 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 10, 8:49 am, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
>
> > > It would be a better use of time and resources for conservatives
> > > to concentrate on creating a truly conservative political party
> > > with national credibility.
>
> > It will go like this:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 10, 8:49 am, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
>
> > > It would be a better use of time and resources for conservatives
> > > to concentrate on creating a truly conservative political party
> > > with national credibility.
>
>
> > - "Let's start a truly conservative party!!!"
>
> > - A large percentage of conservative America: "Yeah!! Where do I send
> > my contributions???"
>
> > - "Ehem, there is one caveat, though: This time, bigotry will not be
> > tolerated..."
>
> > - crickets...
>
> > - "Hello? Where is everybody?" (*)
>
> > Don't believe me, David. You thing I am imagining things? Want some
> > evidence?
>
> > Ladies and and Gentlemen of the Jury, Your Honor, if it please the
> > Court I present:
>
> > THE TEA PARTY.
>
> > Q.E.D.
>
> > "Past is prologue" -S. Palin
>
> > -Ramon
>
> > (*) More seriously: If you take any substantial action trying to
> > repress the DNA-ingrained tendencies of such group who naturally
> > gravitates around the GOP, your new spanking shiny party will be Epic
> > ==> FAIL. The only political factors who are trying to find a way
> > around this existential conundrum are Jeb Bush and Lindsay Graham.
>
> > GOP, don't alienate Latino voters - Frog - Scorpion - It is in my
> > nature
>
> > http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/23/opinion/navarrette-gop-debate
>
> Your own bigotry is showing.
Being against political IDEAS is not bigotry.
-Ramon
"The left hates ideas (which is fine!!!)...
... the Right, people" -Moi
Ramon F. Herrera
Nov 10, 2012, 3:33:02 PM11/10/12
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On Nov 10, 11:16 am, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
> Which means nothing. The Confederacy ceased to exist 150 years ago.
And so did the Nazis. Their ideology, however, is very much alive and
> Which means nothing. The Confederacy ceased to exist 150 years ago.
kicking. Is your blindness before all those CSA flags being waved
TODAY (at TP events, for instance) a handicap being conferred upon you
by nature or by choice?
Answer this:
- Are you satisfied with the GOP position towards minorities
(including single women and gays)??
- Do you think such position had any effect whatsoever last Tuesday?
-Ramon
ps: Where is the study linking the Democratic Party to Hate Groups???
(can't find it!!)
Meanwhile, this report by the Institute for Research and Education on
Human Rights details multiple links between Hate Groups and the Tea
Party.
http://www.irehr.org/issue-areas/tea-party-nationalism
Sid9
Nov 10, 2012, 3:48:49 PM11/10/12
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"Dennis M" <denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote in message
news:dennism3-F22CCD...@bonxibon.datemas.de...
> In article <a_ydnUKJHtkY9APN...@giganews.com>,
> David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
>
>> If Obama did indeed lie about, and try to cover up what happened at
>> Behghazi, then he derserves to be impeached.
>
> Gee, 4 Americans dead in Benghazi compared to George Bush's lying and
>
>> If Obama did indeed lie about, and try to cover up what happened at
>> Behghazi, then he derserves to be impeached.
>
> covering up about Iraq's WMDs, which cost 4,486 American deaths
> beginning in 2003 and untold hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi
> lives.
Just the kind of disaster the Republicans need....an attempt to impeach
Obama.
Republicans will NEVER let it happen.
They remember to cost to them of the Clinton impeachment.
Hartung is an idiot
emoneyjoe
Nov 10, 2012, 4:18:41 PM11/10/12
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On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 11:20:10 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
wrote:
Everybody needs to relax and conserve
for the coming hard times, regardless if the
plan is to pull a Hoover or an FDR, the hard
times are coming.
What the Fed does is the same as they
did during the 1930s, one difference is that
even at $2000 an ounce, there isn't enough
gold to worry about people buying that in
place of spending on manufactured products.
Even without imports, there is not going
to be enough jobs, and prices and insurance
have expanded enough so there is a huge
shortage of money in the right places.
Things that were not even considered
in the 1930s or any recession need to be
tried, do something, dummies, even if it
does not fix things, at least you could say
you tried.
wrote:
for the coming hard times, regardless if the
plan is to pull a Hoover or an FDR, the hard
times are coming.
What the Fed does is the same as they
did during the 1930s, one difference is that
even at $2000 an ounce, there isn't enough
gold to worry about people buying that in
place of spending on manufactured products.
Even without imports, there is not going
to be enough jobs, and prices and insurance
have expanded enough so there is a huge
shortage of money in the right places.
Things that were not even considered
in the 1930s or any recession need to be
tried, do something, dummies, even if it
does not fix things, at least you could say
you tried.
Deana J. Salvador
Nov 10, 2012, 7:32:10 PM11/10/12
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Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 21:47:34 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
<gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote:
>ps: The Bay of Pigs fiasco was a Nixon deal
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Bay of Pigs Invasion was an unsuccessful action by a CIA-trained
force of Cuban exiles to invade southern Cuba, with support and
encouragement from the US government, in an attempt to overthrow the
Cuban government of Fidel Castro. The invasion was launched in April
1961, less than three months after John F. Kennedy assumed the
presidency in the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion
Posted from:
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http://www.democrathallofshame.com/
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 21:47:34 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
<gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote:
>ps: The Bay of Pigs fiasco was a Nixon deal
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Bay of Pigs Invasion was an unsuccessful action by a CIA-trained
force of Cuban exiles to invade southern Cuba, with support and
encouragement from the US government, in an attempt to overthrow the
Cuban government of Fidel Castro. The invasion was launched in April
1961, less than three months after John F. Kennedy assumed the
presidency in the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion
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http://www.democrathallofshame.com/
Cassidy Bechtel
Nov 10, 2012, 7:32:24 PM11/10/12
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Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 22:16:04 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
<gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote:
>Well, guess what the approval rating of Mrs. Bachmann is?
>That's right!: 2%
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2012 Republican Presidential Nomination
Bachmann: 9/13 - 9/27; 6.4
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html
The Register reported Bachman is "in a different league from the other
candidates," receiving a bigger favorable rating (65 percent) than any
of the other candidates and a very low negative rating (12 percent)
among Iowa Republicans.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/27/iowa-poll-bachmann-favorable-rating_n_885486.html
Cristal Moore
Nov 10, 2012, 7:32:40 PM11/10/12
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"DennisM" is a decidedly feminine poster, he/she/it is either a woman
or a homosexual man. When 'it' isn't lying, which is most of the time,
'it' is usually masturbating. Please note that when you reply to a
homosexual man they get all excited and when you reply to a Liar you
<denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote:
>He's not going to make it to 270 because Ohio, Iowa and Wisconsin are in
>Obama's column and they aren't budging.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ohio Now Up for Grabs as Romney Closes the Gap
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2012/10/14/Ohio-Now-Up-for-Grabs-As-Romney-Closes-the-Gap.aspx#page1
or a homosexual man. When 'it' isn't lying, which is most of the time,
'it' is usually masturbating. Please note that when you reply to a
homosexual man they get all excited and when you reply to a Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 15:37:56 -0500, Dennis M
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
<denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote:
>He's not going to make it to 270 because Ohio, Iowa and Wisconsin are in
>Obama's column and they aren't budging.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ohio Now Up for Grabs as Romney Closes the Gap
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2012/10/14/Ohio-Now-Up-for-Grabs-As-Romney-Closes-the-Gap.aspx#page1
P Dina Fagan
Nov 10, 2012, 7:32:49 PM11/10/12
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'Lickin' Ass and Fakin' Military Service' is a Proven Fraud, a Proven
Liar, a Proven Thief, and recently a Proven Malicious Poster. She is
the most prolific liar in this newsgroup and also the most prolific
thief of other's writings. She is also a Stolen Valor stain on
America. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you encourage them
<PopUl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Clandestine intell ops can be approved by Agency heads and they can
>delegate this authority to the O-6 or SES level.
>Covert ops require a PDM -- Presidential Decision Memo.
Oops! Again we find that you don't kn ow what you're talking and
lying...
They have NEVER officially been called PDMs:
NSCID National Security Council Intelligence Directives 1947–1977
NSAM National Security Action Memorandums 1961–1969
NSSM National Security Study Memorandums 1969–1977
NSDM National Security Decision Memorandums 1969–1977
PRM Presidential Review Memorandums 1977–1981
PD Presidential Directives 1977–1981
NSSD National Security Study Directives 1981–1989
NSDD National Security Decision Directives 1981–1989
NSR National Security Reviews 1989–1993
NSD National Security Directives 1989–1993
PRD Presidential Review Directive 1993–2001
PDD Presidential Decision Directives 1993–2001
NSPD National Security Presidential Directives 2001–2009
HSPD Homeland Security Presidential Directives 2001–
PSD Presidential Study Directives 2009–
PPD Presidential Policy Directives 2009–
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_directive
Liar, a Proven Thief, and recently a Proven Malicious Poster. She is
the most prolific liar in this newsgroup and also the most prolific
thief of other's writings. She is also a Stolen Valor stain on
America. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you encourage them
to continue lying.
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 22:11:21 -0400, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
<PopUl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Clandestine intell ops can be approved by Agency heads and they can
>delegate this authority to the O-6 or SES level.
>Covert ops require a PDM -- Presidential Decision Memo.
Oops! Again we find that you don't kn ow what you're talking and
lying...
They have NEVER officially been called PDMs:
NSCID National Security Council Intelligence Directives 1947–1977
NSAM National Security Action Memorandums 1961–1969
NSSM National Security Study Memorandums 1969–1977
NSDM National Security Decision Memorandums 1969–1977
PRM Presidential Review Memorandums 1977–1981
PD Presidential Directives 1977–1981
NSSD National Security Study Directives 1981–1989
NSDD National Security Decision Directives 1981–1989
NSR National Security Reviews 1989–1993
NSD National Security Directives 1989–1993
PRD Presidential Review Directive 1993–2001
PDD Presidential Decision Directives 1993–2001
NSPD National Security Presidential Directives 2001–2009
HSPD Homeland Security Presidential Directives 2001–
PSD Presidential Study Directives 2009–
PPD Presidential Policy Directives 2009–
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_directive
Deirdre Holman
Nov 10, 2012, 7:33:09 PM11/10/12
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"DennisM" is a decidedly feminine poster, he/she/it is either a woman
or a homosexual man. When 'it' isn't lying, which is most of the time,
'it' is usually masturbating. Please note that when you reply to a
homosexual man they get all excited and when you reply to a Liar you
or a homosexual man. When 'it' isn't lying, which is most of the time,
'it' is usually masturbating. Please note that when you reply to a
encourage them to continue lying.
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 22:41:04 -0500, Dennis M
<denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote:
>In article <PLKdnQpDIt5ATRTN...@giganews.com>,
> Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
>> As back up, Obama is relying on flat out voter fraud:
>Except the only ones documented as having committed voting fraud so far
>this election cycle are Republicans.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Congressman's son resigns after voter fraud video
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57539706/congressmans-son-resigns-after-voter-fraud-video/
Voter fraud allegations sink Maryland Democrat's congressional bid
http://washingtonexaminer.com/voter-fraud-allegations-sink-maryland-democrats-congressional-bid/article/2507562
Democrat admits role in voter fraud case
http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Democrat-admits-role-in-voter-fraud-case-2142541.php
Bertie Kimball
Nov 10, 2012, 7:33:28 PM11/10/12
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Sid is considered less of a liar and more of a senile idiot, possibly
an actual retard under medical supervision. Sid'sd lies are mostly
intended to get attention because he is a desperately lonely old fool
nearing the end of a generally failed life. Note that when you reply
to a Proven Liar you encourage them to continue lying.
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 14:25:00 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net>
wrote:
>Senior terrorists killed(mostly) or captured during Obama's administration:
>Abdul Ghani Beradar
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar born c. 1968), also called Mullah Baradar
Akhund or Mullah Brother, is a co-founder of the Taliban movement in
Afghanistan and an Afghan Taliban leader. He was captured in Pakistan
by Pakistani forces, on February 8, 2010, in a morning raid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Ghani_Baradar
an actual retard under medical supervision. Sid'sd lies are mostly
intended to get attention because he is a desperately lonely old fool
nearing the end of a generally failed life. Note that when you reply
to a Proven Liar you encourage them to continue lying.
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
wrote:
>Senior terrorists killed(mostly) or captured during Obama's administration:
>Abdul Ghani Beradar
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar born c. 1968), also called Mullah Baradar
Akhund or Mullah Brother, is a co-founder of the Taliban movement in
Afghanistan and an Afghan Taliban leader. He was captured in Pakistan
by Pakistani forces, on February 8, 2010, in a morning raid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Ghani_Baradar
Dorothy L. Dockery
Nov 10, 2012, 7:34:32 PM11/10/12
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Lora D. (previously posted as "Uno Hu," currently posting as "Jay
Herblock") is a complete crackpot. Believes 9/11 was an inside job,
has seen UFOs and black helicopters and is on a first-name basis with
ass-probing space aliens... She is also an admitted Communist:
"Actually, its time to club repooplicon billionaires on the head and
take their stolen profits and give them back to the general
population."
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012
Message-ID:
<d6f2ba9a-8ee2-4e71...@u9g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>
From: Jay Herblock <jayhe...@gmail.com>
Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you encourage them to
continue lying.
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:03:34 GMT, "Uno Hu" <lora...@cs.com> wrote:
>> Cisco to cut workforce by 15 percent, sell factory
>..Another republicon crook failure.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cisco gives more to Dems
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00362707&cycle=2010
House
Total to Democrats: $121,500
Total to Republicans: $86,500
Senate
Total to Democrats: $64,000
Total to Republicans: $45,000
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cycle=2010&cmte=C00362707
Herblock") is a complete crackpot. Believes 9/11 was an inside job,
has seen UFOs and black helicopters and is on a first-name basis with
ass-probing space aliens... She is also an admitted Communist:
"Actually, its time to club repooplicon billionaires on the head and
take their stolen profits and give them back to the general
population."
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012
Message-ID:
<d6f2ba9a-8ee2-4e71...@u9g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>
From: Jay Herblock <jayhe...@gmail.com>
Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you encourage them to
continue lying.
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
>> Cisco to cut workforce by 15 percent, sell factory
>..Another republicon crook failure.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cisco gives more to Dems
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00362707&cycle=2010
House
Total to Democrats: $121,500
Total to Republicans: $86,500
Senate
Total to Democrats: $64,000
Total to Republicans: $45,000
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cycle=2010&cmte=C00362707
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David Hartung
Nov 11, 2012, 7:15:59 AM11/11/12
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David Hartung
Nov 11, 2012, 7:17:13 AM11/11/12
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racism.
David Hartung
Nov 11, 2012, 7:25:33 AM11/11/12
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convinced he does), it will not happen. Even if the Republican House
votes to impeach, the Democrat Senate will not convict.
This is similar to the Clinton impeachment. In hindsight, the House did
not do their homework. If they had, they would have realized that there
was no support in the Senate to convict. Clinton richly deserved to be
removed from office, but the impeachment and removal of a president is
ultimately a political act, and the House politicians made a major
mistake. Do not look for them to repeat that mistake.
Tom Swift Sr.
Nov 11, 2012, 7:31:27 AM11/11/12
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On Nov 11, 2:59 am, Dennis M <denni...@dennism3.invalid> wrote:
> And several turds a.k.a. "Bob Milby Jr. of Jacksonville" show up in the
> punchbowl. Never fails when an intelligent conversation is going on.
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A special Kookternity comprised of those most prolific in the art of,
abiet thinly, disguising their net.presence behind whatever nose and
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received its name, from the work of the late purveyor to the cotton-
bound masses, Earl Curley.
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> And several turds a.k.a. "Bob Milby Jr. of Jacksonville" show up in the
> punchbowl. Never fails when an intelligent conversation is going on.
--------------
Fresh from his victory as K00K of the Month for September, Bob Milby
Jr.aka Patriot Games aka Buster Norris aka 1000s of Sockpuppets has
again been nominated for a different alt.usenet.kooks Award for
October!
This is *your* chance to vote for him!
======================
* October 2012 Nomination for The Order of the Holey Sockpuppet *
(Vote yes or no):
Bob Milby Jr., aka Patriot Games [aka Buster Norris, aka
1000s of sockpuppets]
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* Order of the Holey Sockpuppet *
A special Kookternity comprised of those most prolific in the art of,
abiet thinly, disguising their net.presence behind whatever nose and
glasses they can concoct. A Kook Art that came into its own, and
received its name, from the work of the late purveyor to the cotton-
bound masses, Earl Curley.
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2012.
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Man of Mind
Nov 11, 2012, 9:25:40 AM11/11/12
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On 11/11/2012 6:25 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 11/10/2012 02:48 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>> "Dennis M" <denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote in...
> On 11/10/2012 02:48 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>>> David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If Obama did indeed lie about, and try to cover up what
>>>> happened at Behghazi, then he derserves to be impeached.
>>>
>>> Gee, 4 Americans dead in Benghazi compared to George Bush's lying and
>>> covering up about Iraq's WMDs, which cost 4,486 American deaths
>>> beginning in 2003 and untold hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi
>>> lives.
>>
>> Just the kind of disaster the Republicans need....an attempt to
>> impeach Obama. Republicans will NEVER let it happen.
>> They remember to cost to them of the Clinton impeachment.
>> Hartung is an idiot
>
> Sid, no matter how much Obama might deserve to be impeached
Still 'couching' your remarks upon unproven premises, David?
>>>
>>>> If Obama did indeed lie about, and try to cover up what
>>>> happened at Behghazi, then he derserves to be impeached.
>>>
>>> Gee, 4 Americans dead in Benghazi compared to George Bush's lying and
>>> covering up about Iraq's WMDs, which cost 4,486 American deaths
>>> beginning in 2003 and untold hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi
>>> lives.
>>
>> Just the kind of disaster the Republicans need....an attempt to
>> impeach Obama. Republicans will NEVER let it happen.
>> They remember to cost to them of the Clinton impeachment.
>> Hartung is an idiot
>
> Sid, no matter how much Obama might deserve to be impeached
> (I am not yet convinced he does),
> it will not happen. Even if the Republican House
The United States House of Representatives isn't "absolutely"
a "Republican House". It was intended to 'represent' the
American people, not just "republicans"..
> votes to impeach, the Democrat Senate will not convict.
> This is similar to the Clinton impeachment.
that there is no sexual dalliance, nor is it even comparable
to the events in Benghazi, which your right-wing 'echo chamber'
seems to consistently misspell as "behghazi"..
> In hindsight, the House did not do their homework. If they had,
> they would have realized that there was no support in the Senate
> to convict.
this 'meme' into some sort of plausible hypothesis, never
mind how convenient this 'scandal' might be considering how
the 'film' which allegedly set off the chain of events wound
up getting the 'film-maker' put in jail..
> Clinton richly deserved to be removed from office
--After exhausting everything else about Whitewater..
David Hartung
Nov 11, 2012, 9:32:59 AM11/11/12
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Marvin the Martian
Nov 11, 2012, 9:43:45 AM11/11/12
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:15:59 -0600, David Hartung wrote:
> On 11/10/2012 02:22 PM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
< snip >
> On 11/10/2012 02:22 PM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>> > Your own bigotry is showing.
>>
>> Being against political IDEAS is not bigotry.
>
> Unless of course it is a conservative who is against liberal ideas,
> right?
cannot. When a conservative says something, it doesn't matter if it is
true or not, the liberal can read his mind and determine that his
motivation for saying it is racist.
If you say "Gee, I don't like that Obama says he can assassinate anyone
he wants, including Americans, without a trial" then the liberal can read
his mind and determine that the conservative is NOT concerned about
freedom, rule of law or the fairness of it; but is just saying it because
he's a racist and doesn't like Obama because he has black skin. Liberals
know that conservatives are just as shallow and stupid as they themselves
are; that they would judge people by their skin color and that principles
like justice never have anything to do with it.
Don't think so? Just look what the "liberals" say about black Republicans
and how they tolerate other liberals who say the most slanderous and
bigoted things.
Ramon F. Herrera
Nov 11, 2012, 9:53:21 AM11/11/12
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On Nov 11, 6:16 am, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
[Ramon:]
David: Please clarify... Exactly, what are you trying to tell me?
(a) There is no racism.
(b) There is, but the OTHER party is the one that is racist.
(c) There is, but BOTH parties are equally racists.
Are you aware how insulting *ANY* of the 3 statements is?
Are you attempting to tell me who is the party that is holding the
shotgun pointing at me?
Frankly, I do not understand how a decent fellow like you can stand
the stench that surrounds you. Then again, I do profess respect and
admiration for Colin Powell and Jeb Bush...
-Ramon
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration, misc.immigration.usa,
alt.california, ca.politics, misc.survivalism
From: Anonymous <anonym...@foto.nl1.torservers.net>
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 13:29:18 -0500 (EST)
Local: Thurs, Nov 8 2012 12:29 pm
Subject: The brown niggers are responsible for Obama getting
reelected.
You know what that means. Enforcement of immigration laws.
If you see a suspicious Mexican, report the SOB. Make Obama's thugs
do their job.
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Newsgroups: alt.atheism, alt.politics, sci.physics
From: BroilJAB <DesignDen...@wmconnect.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 20:11:46 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Nov 10 2012 10:11 pm
Subject: Darwin: Blacks Are Soul Less Apes
The modern negro has an arrested intelligence
on par with a primitive pre-ape. He has a micro
brain and is usually very lazy. The negro is ever
sexualized and known to try and copulate with
white women, cattle, white boys, even zebra's.
An excess of animal hormones, combined with
an IQ that is 3 Standard Deviations below human."
-- Darwin 'On the Negro Stunted Evolution'.
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[Ramon:]
>> Being against political IDEAS is not bigotry.
>
> Unless of course it is a conservative who is against liberal ideas,
right?
Nope. Still no bigotry.
>
> Unless of course it is a conservative who is against liberal ideas,
right?
David: Please clarify... Exactly, what are you trying to tell me?
(a) There is no racism.
(b) There is, but the OTHER party is the one that is racist.
(c) There is, but BOTH parties are equally racists.
Are you aware how insulting *ANY* of the 3 statements is?
Are you attempting to tell me who is the party that is holding the
shotgun pointing at me?
Frankly, I do not understand how a decent fellow like you can stand
the stench that surrounds you. Then again, I do profess respect and
admiration for Colin Powell and Jeb Bush...
-Ramon
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration, misc.immigration.usa,
alt.california, ca.politics, misc.survivalism
From: Anonymous <anonym...@foto.nl1.torservers.net>
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 13:29:18 -0500 (EST)
Local: Thurs, Nov 8 2012 12:29 pm
Subject: The brown niggers are responsible for Obama getting
reelected.
You know what that means. Enforcement of immigration laws.
If you see a suspicious Mexican, report the SOB. Make Obama's thugs
do their job.
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Newsgroups: alt.atheism, alt.politics, sci.physics
From: BroilJAB <DesignDen...@wmconnect.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 20:11:46 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Nov 10 2012 10:11 pm
Subject: Darwin: Blacks Are Soul Less Apes
The modern negro has an arrested intelligence
on par with a primitive pre-ape. He has a micro
brain and is usually very lazy. The negro is ever
sexualized and known to try and copulate with
white women, cattle, white boys, even zebra's.
An excess of animal hormones, combined with
an IQ that is 3 Standard Deviations below human."
-- Darwin 'On the Negro Stunted Evolution'.
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Ramon F. Herrera
Nov 11, 2012, 10:09:37 AM11/11/12
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On Nov 11, 8:43 am, Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:15:59 -0600, David Hartung wrote:
> > On 11/10/2012 02:22 PM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>
> < snip >
>
> >> > Your own bigotry is showing.
>
> >> Being against political IDEAS is not bigotry.
>
> > Unless of course it is a conservative who is against liberal ideas,
> > right?
>
> You hit on the fact that liberals can read minds, and
> conservatives cannot. When a conservative says something,
> it doesn't matter if it is true or not, the liberal can
> read his mind and determine that his
> motivation for saying it is racist.
You obviated a factor: context.
> On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:15:59 -0600, David Hartung wrote:
> > On 11/10/2012 02:22 PM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>
> < snip >
>
> >> > Your own bigotry is showing.
>
> >> Being against political IDEAS is not bigotry.
>
> > Unless of course it is a conservative who is against liberal ideas,
> > right?
>
> You hit on the fact that liberals can read minds, and
> conservatives cannot. When a conservative says something,
> it doesn't matter if it is true or not, the liberal can
> read his mind and determine that his
> motivation for saying it is racist.
Some of us take the trouble to check in the archives and see how a
post reinforces previous behavior and ideas. We should try to avoid
evaluating a post by itself.
-Ramon
Vandar
Nov 11, 2012, 10:09:44 AM11/11/12
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> Getting a blow-job from a cute intern?
Marvin the Martian
Nov 11, 2012, 10:12:46 AM11/11/12
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come to the US and use Mexicans as your personal stooges and minions,
yeah, we know the context.
Your calling other people racist is funny as hell, and you are too stupid
to even realize what a dumb thing you're doing.
David Hartung
Nov 11, 2012, 10:18:05 AM11/11/12
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On 11/11/2012 08:53 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
> On Nov 11, 6:16 am, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
>
> [Ramon:]
> >> Being against political IDEAS is not bigotry.
> >
> > Unless of course it is a conservative who is against liberal ideas,
> right?
>
> Nope. Still no bigotry.
>
> David: Please clarify... Exactly, what are you trying to tell me?
>
> (a) There is no racism.
A very stupid thing to say.
> On Nov 11, 6:16 am, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
>
> [Ramon:]
> >> Being against political IDEAS is not bigotry.
> >
> > Unless of course it is a conservative who is against liberal ideas,
> right?
>
> Nope. Still no bigotry.
>
> David: Please clarify... Exactly, what are you trying to tell me?
>
> (a) There is no racism.
> (b) There is, but the OTHER party is the one that is racist.
> (c) There is, but BOTH parties are equally racists.
> Are you aware how insulting *ANY* of the 3 statements is?
No, but as I point out above, the first two are very foolish things to
say. As the third has an element of truth to it, how can it possibly be
insulting?
> Are you attempting to tell me who is the party that is holding the
> shotgun pointing at me?
> Frankly, I do not understand how a decent fellow like you can stand
> the stench that surrounds you. Then again, I do profess respect and
> admiration for Colin Powell and Jeb Bush...
bad in the Democrat party as in the Republican party.
Marvin the Martian
Nov 11, 2012, 10:21:23 AM11/11/12
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The so called "Liberals" are have a real racist problem.
They believe that blacks, Mexicans, South Americans and other "protected"
minorities are too incompetent to take care of themselves and too stupid
to get a decent job. Not just some of them - ALL of them.
That is the definition of bigotry and what most people mean by racism.
So, they need special help when competing against the white guy -
"affirmative action" and "diversity" programs. Diversity programs are
great - throw out that dead white man idea of logic and reason, some
doofus from a stone age culture or a gang banger from the inner city has
just as good an idea for solving the problem.
The traditional "Liberal" reason for all this "help" for protected
minorities - and oddly enough, Japanese and Chinese people are
discriminated against while Jews, who claim superior intelligence, are
"protected" - is "invisible racism". That is, racism that on the face of
it cannot be proved. Stupid as hell!
The Amazing part is, people are actually intimidated by these idiot
"Liberal" pronouncements.
- And how did you guys let this un-American racist idiot Ramon change the
subject from Obama's impeachable crimes to "right wing racism"?
They believe that blacks, Mexicans, South Americans and other "protected"
minorities are too incompetent to take care of themselves and too stupid
to get a decent job. Not just some of them - ALL of them.
That is the definition of bigotry and what most people mean by racism.
So, they need special help when competing against the white guy -
"affirmative action" and "diversity" programs. Diversity programs are
great - throw out that dead white man idea of logic and reason, some
doofus from a stone age culture or a gang banger from the inner city has
just as good an idea for solving the problem.
The traditional "Liberal" reason for all this "help" for protected
minorities - and oddly enough, Japanese and Chinese people are
discriminated against while Jews, who claim superior intelligence, are
"protected" - is "invisible racism". That is, racism that on the face of
it cannot be proved. Stupid as hell!
The Amazing part is, people are actually intimidated by these idiot
"Liberal" pronouncements.
- And how did you guys let this un-American racist idiot Ramon change the
subject from Obama's impeachable crimes to "right wing racism"?
Ramon F. Herrera
Nov 11, 2012, 10:24:59 AM11/11/12
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On Nov 11, 9:12 am, Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 07:09:37 -0800, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
> > On Nov 11, 8:43 am, Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:15:59 -0600, David Hartung wrote:
> >> > On 11/10/2012 02:22 PM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>
> >> < snip >
>
> >> >> > Your own bigotry is showing.
>
> >> >> Being against political IDEAS is not bigotry.
>
> >> > Unless of course it is a conservative who is against liberal ideas,
> >> > right?
>
> > > You hit on the fact that liberals can read minds, and conservatives
> > > cannot. When a conservative says something,
> > > it doesn't matter if it is true or not, the liberal can read his mind
> > > and determine that his motivation for saying it is racist.
>
> > You obviated a factor: context.
>
> > Some of us take the trouble to check in the archives and see how a post
> > reinforces previous behavior and ideas. We should try to avoid
> > evaluating a post by itself.
>
> > -Ramon
>
> If you mean you are a hateful La RAZA "Bronze"
Not that it matters (or perhaps it does), but I am white.
> On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 07:09:37 -0800, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
> > On Nov 11, 8:43 am, Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:15:59 -0600, David Hartung wrote:
> >> > On 11/10/2012 02:22 PM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>
> >> < snip >
>
> >> >> > Your own bigotry is showing.
>
> >> >> Being against political IDEAS is not bigotry.
>
> >> > Unless of course it is a conservative who is against liberal ideas,
> >> > right?
>
> > > You hit on the fact that liberals can read minds, and conservatives
> > > cannot. When a conservative says something,
> > > it doesn't matter if it is true or not, the liberal can read his mind
> > > and determine that his motivation for saying it is racist.
>
> > You obviated a factor: context.
>
> > Some of us take the trouble to check in the archives and see how a post
> > reinforces previous behavior and ideas. We should try to avoid
> > evaluating a post by itself.
>
> > -Ramon
>
> If you mean you are a hateful La RAZA "Bronze"
http://patriot.net/~ramon/misc/GeneticCertificate.pdf
Books in the Library of Congress, the Royal Library in Madrid and the
Vatican Library mention me. The reason I must cite the above is as a
response to the hundreds of racists like you who try to dismiss my
posts as coming from a disgruntled Brown. You are the 600 hundredth
who tries that crappy attack.
Racist? Moi? Pray tell: Against what race? I L-O-V-E all races.
But I digress...
So, you are in essence stating: "Yes, I can't help being a racist, but
so are you"
Is that your contention?
That is a very large class of individuals: You are not alone.
-Ramon, Non-Whitey White
Man of Mind
Nov 11, 2012, 10:26:43 AM11/11/12
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>>> votes to impeach, the Democrat Senate will not convict.
>>
>> You're almost sounding rational now, and then ruin it with..
>>
>>> This is similar to the Clinton impeachment.
>>
>> Nope, that would be another of your 'false absolutes', in
>> that there is no sexual dalliance, nor is it even comparable
>> to the events in Benghazi, which your right-wing 'echo chamber'
>> seems to consistently misspell as "behghazi"..
>>> In hindsight, the House did not do their homework. If they had,
>>> they would have realized that there was no support in the Senate
>>> to convict.
>>
>> I see that the 'frightie-righties' are trying to 'google-bomb'
>> this 'meme' into some sort of plausible hypothesis, never
>> mind how convenient this 'scandal' might be considering how
>> the 'film' which allegedly set off the chain of events wound
>> up getting the 'film-maker' put in jail..
>>
>>> Clinton richly deserved to be removed from office
>>
>> For what? Getting a blow-job from a cute intern?
>>
>> --After exhausting everything else about Whitewater..
>
> Get back to me when you are rational.
in unprovable premises such that I no longer need to
critically reason..
--Not gonna happen, preacher-man..
Marvin the Martian
Nov 11, 2012, 10:36:31 AM11/11/12
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:25:33 -0600, David Hartung wrote:
> On 11/10/2012 02:48 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>>
>> "Dennis M" <denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:dennism3-F22CCD...@bonxibon.datemas.de...
>>> In article <a_ydnUKJHtkY9APN...@giganews.com>,
>>> David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If Obama did indeed lie about, and try to cover up what happened at
>>>> Behghazi, then he derserves to be impeached.
>>>
>>> Gee, 4 Americans dead in Benghazi compared to George Bush's lying and
>>> covering up about Iraq's WMDs, which cost 4,486 American deaths
>>> beginning in 2003 and untold hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi
>>> lives.
>>
>> Just the kind of disaster the Republicans need....an attempt to impeach
>> Obama.
>> Republicans will NEVER let it happen.
>> They remember to cost to them of the Clinton impeachment.
>> Hartung is an idiot
>
> Sid, no matter how much Obama might deserve to be impeached(I am not yet
> convinced he does),
Obama:
> On 11/10/2012 02:48 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>>
>> "Dennis M" <denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:dennism3-F22CCD...@bonxibon.datemas.de...
>>> In article <a_ydnUKJHtkY9APN...@giganews.com>,
>>> David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If Obama did indeed lie about, and try to cover up what happened at
>>>> Behghazi, then he derserves to be impeached.
>>>
>>> Gee, 4 Americans dead in Benghazi compared to George Bush's lying and
>>> covering up about Iraq's WMDs, which cost 4,486 American deaths
>>> beginning in 2003 and untold hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi
>>> lives.
>>
>> Just the kind of disaster the Republicans need....an attempt to impeach
>> Obama.
>> Republicans will NEVER let it happen.
>> They remember to cost to them of the Clinton impeachment.
>> Hartung is an idiot
>
> Sid, no matter how much Obama might deserve to be impeached(I am not yet
> convinced he does),
1) Violated the war powers act in attacking Libya
2) Said he can and is killing anyone he wants including Americans in a
drone attack, no trial needed.
3) Fast and Furious
4) Bengazi.
I could think of other reasons why he should be impeached, even under the
permissive standards of today.
If you don't believe Obama deserves to be impeached, then you must have a
very short memory.
And yes, sacrifice the rule of law and human decency on the alter of
political expediency and an ignorant electorate.
Marvin the Martian
Nov 11, 2012, 10:44:14 AM11/11/12
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 07:24:59 -0800, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
> On Nov 11, 9:12 am, Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 07:09:37 -0800, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>> > On Nov 11, 8:43 am, Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:15:59 -0600, David Hartung wrote:
>> >> > On 11/10/2012 02:22 PM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>>
>> >> < snip >
>>
>> >> >> > Your own bigotry is showing.
>>
>> >> >> Being against political IDEAS is not bigotry.
>>
>> >> > Unless of course it is a conservative who is against liberal
>> >> > ideas,
>> >> > right?
>>
>> > > You hit on the fact that liberals can read minds, and
>> > > conservatives cannot. When a conservative says something,
>> > > it doesn't matter if it is true or not, the liberal can read his
>> > > mind and determine that his motivation for saying it is racist.
>>
>> > You obviated a factor: context.
>>
>> > Some of us take the trouble to check in the archives and see how a
>> > post reinforces previous behavior and ideas. We should try to avoid
>> > evaluating a post by itself.
>>
>> > -Ramon
>>
>>
> > If you mean you are a hateful La RAZA "Bronze"
>
> Not that it matters (or perhaps it does), but I am white.
>
> http://patriot.net/~ramon/misc/GeneticCertificate.pdf
Now that is fucking hilarious!!
> On Nov 11, 9:12 am, Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 07:09:37 -0800, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>> > On Nov 11, 8:43 am, Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:15:59 -0600, David Hartung wrote:
>> >> > On 11/10/2012 02:22 PM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>>
>> >> < snip >
>>
>> >> >> > Your own bigotry is showing.
>>
>> >> >> Being against political IDEAS is not bigotry.
>>
>> >> > Unless of course it is a conservative who is against liberal
>> >> > ideas,
>> >> > right?
>>
>> > > You hit on the fact that liberals can read minds, and
>> > > conservatives cannot. When a conservative says something,
>> > > it doesn't matter if it is true or not, the liberal can read his
>> > > mind and determine that his motivation for saying it is racist.
>>
>> > You obviated a factor: context.
>>
>> > Some of us take the trouble to check in the archives and see how a
>> > post reinforces previous behavior and ideas. We should try to avoid
>> > evaluating a post by itself.
>>
>> > -Ramon
>>
>>
> > If you mean you are a hateful La RAZA "Bronze"
>
> Not that it matters (or perhaps it does), but I am white.
>
> http://patriot.net/~ramon/misc/GeneticCertificate.pdf
> Books in the Library of Congress, the Royal Library in Madrid and the
> Vatican Library mention me. The reason I must cite the above is as a
> response to the hundreds of racists like you who try to dismiss my posts
> as coming from a disgruntled Brown. You are the 600 hundredth who tries
> that crappy attack.
>
> Racist? Moi? Pray tell: Against what race? I L-O-V-E all races.
spew any less racist.
< snip illogical gibberish >
It is a distinguishing trait of western culture to value logic, reason
and truth. That's just not in you; it is not one of your values nor is it
something you understand.
wy
Nov 11, 2012, 12:20:27 PM11/11/12
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Southerners, especially Repugnant Southerners. Call that mindset what
you will, I call it racist, whether overt or subliminal. Either way
it runs deep in the South. And when the average per capita income in
Mississippi is only $15,000 per year and the state gets twice as much
in return from federal aid than in the taxes they pay to the feds and
still the yokels preferred to vote for the quarter of a billionaire
determined to cut back on aid and federal programs of all kinds that
Mississippi benefits from over the black guy who's making sure your
state doesn't sink into oblivion, then you know it's not just a right-
left thing but a white right-black left thing.
emoneyjoe
Nov 11, 2012, 1:59:33 PM11/11/12
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:25:33 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
wrote:
>On 11/10/2012 02:48 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>>
>> "Dennis M" <denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:dennism3-F22CCD...@bonxibon.datemas.de...
>>> In article <a_ydnUKJHtkY9APN...@giganews.com>,
>>> David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If Obama did indeed lie about, and try to cover up what happened at
>>>> Behghazi, then he derserves to be impeached.
>>>
>>> Gee, 4 Americans dead in Benghazi compared to George Bush's lying and
>>> covering up about Iraq's WMDs, which cost 4,486 American deaths
>>> beginning in 2003 and untold hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi
>>> lives.
>>
>> Just the kind of disaster the Republicans need....an attempt to impeach
>> Obama.
>> Republicans will NEVER let it happen.
>> They remember to cost to them of the Clinton impeachment.
>> Hartung is an idiot
>
>Sid, no matter how much Obama might deserve to be impeached(I am not yet
>convinced he does), it will not happen. Even if the Republican House
>votes to impeach, the Democrat Senate will not convict.
If the house votes impeach, isn't the
president impeached?
The senate may have options other
than removal from office.
>This is similar to the Clinton impeachment. In hindsight, the House did
>not do their homework. If they had, they would have realized that there
>was no support in the Senate to convict. Clinton richly deserved to be
>removed from office, but the impeachment and removal of a president is
>ultimately a political act, and the House politicians made a major
>mistake. Do not look for them to repeat that mistake.
Actually Clinton may have committed
a worse act than Nixon, Clinton did not
answer truthfully and fully in a court.
Nixon's culpability may have been
limited just to not notifying the justice
system of a felony he was aware of.
But there may be debate about
what was and "is".
wrote:
>On 11/10/2012 02:48 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>>
>> "Dennis M" <denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:dennism3-F22CCD...@bonxibon.datemas.de...
>>> In article <a_ydnUKJHtkY9APN...@giganews.com>,
>>> David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If Obama did indeed lie about, and try to cover up what happened at
>>>> Behghazi, then he derserves to be impeached.
>>>
>>> Gee, 4 Americans dead in Benghazi compared to George Bush's lying and
>>> covering up about Iraq's WMDs, which cost 4,486 American deaths
>>> beginning in 2003 and untold hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi
>>> lives.
>>
>> Just the kind of disaster the Republicans need....an attempt to impeach
>> Obama.
>> Republicans will NEVER let it happen.
>> They remember to cost to them of the Clinton impeachment.
>> Hartung is an idiot
>
>Sid, no matter how much Obama might deserve to be impeached(I am not yet
>convinced he does), it will not happen. Even if the Republican House
>votes to impeach, the Democrat Senate will not convict.
president impeached?
The senate may have options other
than removal from office.
>This is similar to the Clinton impeachment. In hindsight, the House did
>not do their homework. If they had, they would have realized that there
>was no support in the Senate to convict. Clinton richly deserved to be
>removed from office, but the impeachment and removal of a president is
>ultimately a political act, and the House politicians made a major
>mistake. Do not look for them to repeat that mistake.
a worse act than Nixon, Clinton did not
answer truthfully and fully in a court.
Nixon's culpability may have been
limited just to not notifying the justice
system of a felony he was aware of.
But there may be debate about
what was and "is".
emoneyjoe
Nov 11, 2012, 2:27:15 PM11/11/12
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ColdWarDinosaur
Nov 11, 2012, 5:03:00 PM11/11/12
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On 11/11/2012 2:35 PM, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:14:24 -0500, ColdWarDinosaur
> <wynnehenry!@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> When planning to impeach the president, there doesn't need to be any
>>> consideration about any good done for the country. Is there a high
>>> crime and misdemeanor? Yes? Can it be an impeachable offense? Yes?
>>> Then there isn't any further discussion, go for impeachment.
>>
>> Total crap. You clearly don't care about the USA as a whole, only
>> about your backward, racist, misogynistic, plutocratic agenda. There
>> is NO way forward for the GOP unless they ditch people like you. You
>> have no growth path with single women, Hispanics, Blacks, the educated
>> and Fox has lied you into early senility.
>
> Well, that IS why Faux exists.
>
> As for the continuance of Wingers-----looking better and better every
> day that in a few election cycles---they'll be history.
>
Murdoch symbolizes the GOP and Tea Party. An angry old white man.
--
~~
HW
__________________
The GOP Claim TO Be Christian but:
Are Capitalist Extremists.
Support Law of the Jungle, Survival of the Richest.
Are Racists.
Are Pro-War.
Are Pro-Torture.
Are Pro-Execution.
Are Pro-Money-lender.
Despise Human Rights.
Despise The Poor.
Despise Women.
They appear to be against everything Jesus stood for.
Who are these people really??
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:14:24 -0500, ColdWarDinosaur
> <wynnehenry!@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> When planning to impeach the president, there doesn't need to be any
>>> consideration about any good done for the country. Is there a high
>>> crime and misdemeanor? Yes? Can it be an impeachable offense? Yes?
>>> Then there isn't any further discussion, go for impeachment.
>>
>> Total crap. You clearly don't care about the USA as a whole, only
>> about your backward, racist, misogynistic, plutocratic agenda. There
>> is NO way forward for the GOP unless they ditch people like you. You
>> have no growth path with single women, Hispanics, Blacks, the educated
>> and Fox has lied you into early senility.
>
> Well, that IS why Faux exists.
>
> As for the continuance of Wingers-----looking better and better every
> day that in a few election cycles---they'll be history.
>
Murdoch symbolizes the GOP and Tea Party. An angry old white man.
--
~~
HW
__________________
The GOP Claim TO Be Christian but:
Are Capitalist Extremists.
Support Law of the Jungle, Survival of the Richest.
Are Racists.
Are Pro-War.
Are Pro-Torture.
Are Pro-Execution.
Are Pro-Money-lender.
Despise Human Rights.
Despise The Poor.
Despise Women.
They appear to be against everything Jesus stood for.
Who are these people really??
Shana C. Mckinnon
Nov 11, 2012, 6:39:42 PM11/11/12
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"DennisM" is a decidedly feminine poster, he/she/it is either a woman
or a homosexual man. When 'it' isn't lying, which is most of the time,
'it' is usually masturbating. Please note that when you reply to a
homosexual man they get all excited and when you reply to a Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
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On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:30:08 -0500, denn...@dennism3.invalid (Dennis
M) wrote:
>Crazy John wrote Iowa off a long time ago, he didn't even bother to
>campaign there in the primary.
[Oops! Caught lying...]
Seeing new possibilities in Iowa, McCain boosts his effort
Campaign hopes for a third-place finish in caucuses
December 28, 2007
DES MOINES - When John McCain cruised through Iowa in early November,
reporters were looking for clues that he might be altogether
abandoning his efforts in the state to focus on New Hampshire and
South Carolina. Yesterday, he returned to the state for two days of
campaigning, evidence that the campaign sees renewed possibilities for
a surprise result in Thursday's caucuses.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/12/28/seeing_new_possibilities_in_iowa_mccain_boosts_his_effort/
http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/12/27/1198813745_3179/539w.jpg
Dorothy Innis talked with Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona,
during a campaign stop in Des Moines yesterday.
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or a homosexual man. When 'it' isn't lying, which is most of the time,
'it' is usually masturbating. Please note that when you reply to a
homosexual man they get all excited and when you reply to a Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
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On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:30:08 -0500, denn...@dennism3.invalid (Dennis
M) wrote:
>Crazy John wrote Iowa off a long time ago, he didn't even bother to
>campaign there in the primary.
[Oops! Caught lying...]
Seeing new possibilities in Iowa, McCain boosts his effort
Campaign hopes for a third-place finish in caucuses
December 28, 2007
DES MOINES - When John McCain cruised through Iowa in early November,
reporters were looking for clues that he might be altogether
abandoning his efforts in the state to focus on New Hampshire and
South Carolina. Yesterday, he returned to the state for two days of
campaigning, evidence that the campaign sees renewed possibilities for
a surprise result in Thursday's caucuses.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/12/28/seeing_new_possibilities_in_iowa_mccain_boosts_his_effort/
http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2007/12/27/1198813745_3179/539w.jpg
Dorothy Innis talked with Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona,
during a campaign stop in Des Moines yesterday.
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J U. Swift
Nov 11, 2012, 6:40:09 PM11/11/12
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Real name Fwanklin. Fwanklin is a famous homo. Fwanklin's 15 seconds
of fame came at a Star Trek Convention when he embarrassed the
audience, embarrassed America, embarrassed humanity and embarrassed
Gene Roddenberry by asking why Star Trek didn't have any faggot
characters. Fwanklin, after many beatings, has become just another
cock-slapped usenet zoo monkey. Liars, once they have been exposed,
frequently revert to behavior most similar to a zoo monkey who sits in
the cage throwing feces at passersby but saying nothing of value.
Franklin Hummel - Age 57, born May 1953
18 Linwood St, Unit 3
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(617) 541-3834
E-mail: hum...@world.std.com
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 17:32:51 -0700 (PDT), "Tom Swift Sr."
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>Oh, it's just Patriot Games posting under one of his more commonly-
>used sockpuppets.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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of fame came at a Star Trek Convention when he embarrassed the
audience, embarrassed America, embarrassed humanity and embarrassed
Gene Roddenberry by asking why Star Trek didn't have any faggot
characters. Fwanklin, after many beatings, has become just another
cock-slapped usenet zoo monkey. Liars, once they have been exposed,
frequently revert to behavior most similar to a zoo monkey who sits in
the cage throwing feces at passersby but saying nothing of value.
Franklin Hummel - Age 57, born May 1953
18 Linwood St, Unit 3
Boston, Massachusetts 02119-1543
(617) 541-3834
E-mail: hum...@world.std.com
Possible Fag Butt-Buddy: Arnold D Thomas (Age 52)
Franklin Hummel - Supervisor
Boston Public Library
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 17:32:51 -0700 (PDT), "Tom Swift Sr."
<thomas.sw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Oh, it's just Patriot Games posting under one of his more commonly-
>used sockpuppets.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ColdWarDinosaur
Nov 12, 2012, 5:43:33 AM11/12/12
to
On 11/10/2012 8:37 AM, ColdWarDinosaur wrote:
> They are doubling down and will be going for impeachment instead. Just
> like the good old days. They are going to try to stop Obama by making
> the conversation ONLY about Benghazi. Not jobs, not the economy, not
> anything meaningful for the public that kicked them in the nuts, only
> Benghazi. Thats it, the sole topic of conversation (unless some of
> them become infected by sanity).
>
> This could be a Congressional version of Pickett's Charge...
>
>
Oh wonderful news! House Majority Leader Eric Cantor knew about the
> They are doubling down and will be going for impeachment instead. Just
> like the good old days. They are going to try to stop Obama by making
> the conversation ONLY about Benghazi. Not jobs, not the economy, not
> anything meaningful for the public that kicked them in the nuts, only
> Benghazi. Thats it, the sole topic of conversation (unless some of
> them become infected by sanity).
>
> This could be a Congressional version of Pickett's Charge...
>
>
Petraeus scandal in OCTOBER AND SAID NOTHING!!!!
BWAHAHAHA!
(CNN) -- House majority leader Eric Cantor talked to an FBI official
in late October about former CIA Director David Petraeus' involvement
in an affair, a spokesman for the congressman told CNN Sunday.
Doug Heye said Cantor, a Republican, had a conversation with the
whistleblower about the affair and national security concerns involved
in the matter.
The New York Times reported Saturday that on October 31, Cantor's
chief of staff phoned the FBI to inform the agency about the call
between the congressman and the FBI official. The Times reported
Cantor learned of the whistleblower through Rep. Dave Reichert,
R-Washington.
A spokeswoman for Reichert told CNN Sunday that the Times article was
accurate but that the congressman had no further comment on his
involvement in the case.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/11/us/petraeus-cia-resignation/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Liberal Here
Nov 13, 2012, 6:44:35 PM11/13/12
to
On Nov 10, 8:37 am, ColdWarDinosaur <wynnehen...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> They are doubling down and will be going for impeachment instead.
That's exactly what this is all about.
> They are doubling down and will be going for impeachment instead.
> Just
> like the good old days. They are going to try to stop Obama by making
> the conversation ONLY about Benghazi. Not jobs, not the economy, not
> anything meaningful for the public that kicked them in the nuts, only
> Benghazi. Thats it, the sole topic of conversation (unless some of
> them become infected by sanity).
>
> This could be a Congressional version of Pickett's Charge...
Bush 1/2 after Clinton's impeachment.
Liberal Here
Nov 13, 2012, 6:48:32 PM11/13/12
to
On Nov 10, 9:49 am, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
> On 11/10/2012 07:37 AM, ColdWarDinosaur wrote:
>
> > They are doubling down and will be going for impeachment instead. Just
politician is obligated to tell about all his sexual activities. I not
only expect them to lie but demand they lie.
Who have you been humping, preacherman???
> On 11/10/2012 07:37 AM, ColdWarDinosaur wrote:
>
> > They are doubling down and will be going for impeachment instead. Just
> > like the good old days. They are going to try to stop Obama by making
> > the conversation ONLY about Benghazi. Not jobs, not the economy, not
> > anything meaningful for the public that kicked them in the nuts, only
> > Benghazi. Thats it, the sole topic of conversation (unless some of
> > them become infected by sanity).
>
> > This could be a Congressional version of Pickett's Charge...
>
> > the conversation ONLY about Benghazi. Not jobs, not the economy, not
> > anything meaningful for the public that kicked them in the nuts, only
> > Benghazi. Thats it, the sole topic of conversation (unless some of
> > them become infected by sanity).
>
> > This could be a Congressional version of Pickett's Charge...
>
> If Obama did indeed lie about, and try to cover up what happened at
> Behghazi, then he derserves to be impeached. As a practical matter, such
> an impeachment is a wast of time with the current makeup of the Senate.
> The Democrat majority will refuse to convict, and they will be aided by
> the same spineless Republicans who refused to convict Clinton.
Convict him on what issue? Only reichtard jackasses like you think a
> an impeachment is a wast of time with the current makeup of the Senate.
> The Democrat majority will refuse to convict, and they will be aided by
> the same spineless Republicans who refused to convict Clinton.
politician is obligated to tell about all his sexual activities. I not
only expect them to lie but demand they lie.
Who have you been humping, preacherman???
Liberal Here
Nov 13, 2012, 6:51:26 PM11/13/12
to
On Nov 10, 11:38 am, ColdWarDinosaur <wynnehen...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> She's past it. Have you seen how the strain of the job has taken it
> out of her? She's done.
Agree. Fixing what Bush 1/2 broke would have broken anyone.
> On 11/10/2012 11:07 AM, Morgoth Bauglir wrote:
>
> >> They are doubling down and will be going for impeachment instead. Just
> >> like the good old days. They are going to try to stop Obama by making
> >> the conversation ONLY about Benghazi. Not jobs, not the economy, not
> >> anything meaningful for the public that kicked them in the nuts, only
> >> Benghazi. Thats it, the sole topic of conversation (unless some of
> >> them become infected by sanity).
>
> > That should ensure Hillary Clinton's election in 2016.
>
> >> They are doubling down and will be going for impeachment instead. Just
> >> like the good old days. They are going to try to stop Obama by making
> >> the conversation ONLY about Benghazi. Not jobs, not the economy, not
> >> anything meaningful for the public that kicked them in the nuts, only
> >> Benghazi. Thats it, the sole topic of conversation (unless some of
> >> them become infected by sanity).
>
>
> She's past it. Have you seen how the strain of the job has taken it
> out of her? She's done.
Agree. Fixing what Bush 1/2 broke would have broken anyone.
Alesha Cherri Eckert
Nov 13, 2012, 6:47:41 PM11/13/12
to
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Buffalo, NY. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you encourage
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<liber...@gmail.com> wrote:
>(Hint: The auto industry loans are already
>paying back more than they cost.)
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
President Obama’s phony accounting on the auto industry bailout
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/president-obamas-phony-accounting-on-the-auto-industry-bailout/2011/06/06/AG3nefKH_blog.html
How Much Did the Auto Bailout Cost Taxpayers?
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/06/how-much-did-the-auto-bailout-cost-taxpayers/
Buffalo, NY. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you encourage
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On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:10:09 -0700 (PDT), Liberal Here
"Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
<liber...@gmail.com> wrote:
>(Hint: The auto industry loans are already
>paying back more than they cost.)
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
President Obama’s phony accounting on the auto industry bailout
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/president-obamas-phony-accounting-on-the-auto-industry-bailout/2011/06/06/AG3nefKH_blog.html
How Much Did the Auto Bailout Cost Taxpayers?
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/06/how-much-did-the-auto-bailout-cost-taxpayers/
Ward J. Herrmann
Nov 13, 2012, 6:48:13 PM11/13/12
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On Mon, 4 Jun 2012 12:36:44 -0700 (PDT), Liberal Here
Buffalo, NY. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you encourage
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<liber...@gmail.com> wrote:
>You're one president too late. It was Bush 1/2 who talked of becoming
>"dictator."
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bush NEVER talked about "becoming" a dictator..............
http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/2002/10/29_Dictator.html
Chastity Deutsch
Nov 13, 2012, 6:48:50 PM11/13/12
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<liber...@gmail.com> wrote:
>When the USSC "decided" Bush 1/2 would be president.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In a per curiam decision, the Court ruled that the Florida Supreme
Court's method for recounting ballots was a violation of the Equal
Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The Court also ruled
that no alternative method could be established within the time limits
set by the State of Florida. Three concurring justices also asserted
that the Florida Supreme Court had violated Article II, § 1, cl. 2 of
the Constitution, by misinterpreting Florida election law that had
been enacted by the Florida Legislature.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore
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Amanda Williams
Nov 14, 2012, 8:22:41 AM11/14/12
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Liberal Here <liber...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:60b9b0d6-5592-4a48...@v3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
> Impeachment?Oh please do it lol.... that would kill off the last
pathetic remnants of the GOP maybe I'll set up a pro-impeachment website
to help the cause along lmao.....
I love watching dumb rightards comitting suicide :)
--
Amanda williams – Small but dangerous
news:60b9b0d6-5592-4a48...@v3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
pathetic remnants of the GOP maybe I'll set up a pro-impeachment website
to help the cause along lmao.....
I love watching dumb rightards comitting suicide :)
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Amanda williams – Small but dangerous
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Nov 14, 2012, 9:34:50 AM11/14/12
to
On Nov 13, 5:48 pm, Liberal Here <liberalh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 10, 9:49 am, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 11/10/2012 07:37 AM, ColdWarDinosaur wrote:
>
> > > They are doubling down and will be going for impeachment instead. Just
> > > like the good old days. They are going to try to stop Obama by making
> > > the conversation ONLY about Benghazi. Not jobs, not the economy, not
> > > anything meaningful for the public that kicked them in the nuts, only
> > > Benghazi. Thats it, the sole topic of conversation (unless some of
> > > them become infected by sanity).
>
> > > This could be a Congressional version of Pickett's Charge...
>
> > If Obama did indeed lie about, and try to cover up what happened at
> > Behghazi, then he derserves to be impeached. As a practical matter, such
> > an impeachment is a wast of time with the current makeup of the Senate.
> > The Democrat majority will refuse to convict, and they will be aided by
> > the same spineless Republicans who refused to convict Clinton.
>
> Convict him on what issue? Only reichtard jackasses like you think a
> politician is obligated to tell about all his sexual activities. I not
> only expect them to lie but demand they lie.
>
#1: Obama lied about the Benghazi attack being about nothing but a
> On Nov 10, 9:49 am, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 11/10/2012 07:37 AM, ColdWarDinosaur wrote:
>
> > > They are doubling down and will be going for impeachment instead. Just
> > > like the good old days. They are going to try to stop Obama by making
> > > the conversation ONLY about Benghazi. Not jobs, not the economy, not
> > > anything meaningful for the public that kicked them in the nuts, only
> > > Benghazi. Thats it, the sole topic of conversation (unless some of
> > > them become infected by sanity).
>
> > > This could be a Congressional version of Pickett's Charge...
>
> > If Obama did indeed lie about, and try to cover up what happened at
> > Behghazi, then he derserves to be impeached. As a practical matter, such
> > an impeachment is a wast of time with the current makeup of the Senate.
> > The Democrat majority will refuse to convict, and they will be aided by
> > the same spineless Republicans who refused to convict Clinton.
>
> Convict him on what issue? Only reichtard jackasses like you think a
> politician is obligated to tell about all his sexual activities. I not
> only expect them to lie but demand they lie.
>
video #2: Obama lied about what he knew and when he knew it was a
terrorist attack #3: Obama lied about not being able to send military
help to Benghazi although they watched the attack on live feed for
seven hours #4: Obama knew about Patreaus's affair long before it
became public and hoped to use that affair to bribe Patreaus into
claiming the Benghazi attack was about a YouTube video.
All this to keep the facts about a terrorist attack a secret until
AFTER the election.
> Who have you been humping, preacherman???
>
>
>
>
>
> > It would be a better use of time and resources for conservatives to
> > concentrate on creating a truly conservative political party with
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Nov 14, 2012, 9:38:07 AM11/14/12
to
On Nov 13, 5:51 pm, Liberal Here <liberalh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 10, 11:38 am, ColdWarDinosaur <wynnehen...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On 11/10/2012 11:07 AM, Morgoth Bauglir wrote:
>
> > >> They are doubling down and will be going for impeachment instead. Just
> > >> like the good old days. They are going to try to stop Obama by making
> > >> the conversation ONLY about Benghazi. Not jobs, not the economy, not
> > >> anything meaningful for the public that kicked them in the nuts, only
> > >> Benghazi. Thats it, the sole topic of conversation (unless some of
> > >> them become infected by sanity).
>
> > > That should ensure Hillary Clinton's election in 2016.
>
> > She's past it. Have you seen how the strain of the job has taken it
> > out of her? She's done.
>
She's not "done" she's simply old an ugly. She plans to bail on
> On Nov 10, 11:38 am, ColdWarDinosaur <wynnehen...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On 11/10/2012 11:07 AM, Morgoth Bauglir wrote:
>
> > >> They are doubling down and will be going for impeachment instead. Just
> > >> like the good old days. They are going to try to stop Obama by making
> > >> the conversation ONLY about Benghazi. Not jobs, not the economy, not
> > >> anything meaningful for the public that kicked them in the nuts, only
> > >> Benghazi. Thats it, the sole topic of conversation (unless some of
> > >> them become infected by sanity).
>
> > > That should ensure Hillary Clinton's election in 2016.
>
> > She's past it. Have you seen how the strain of the job has taken it
> > out of her? She's done.
>
Obama after the first of the year bcause she and Bubba are planning
another run for the Whitehose in 2016. She knows what Obam will do in
the next four years and doesn't want that albatross around her neck.
> Agree. Fixing what Bush 1/2 broke would have broken anyone.
>
>
>
>
>
> > --
> > ~~
> > HW
> > __________________
> > The GOP Claim TO Be Christian but:
> > Are Capitalist Extremists.
> > Support Law of the Jungle, Survival of the Richest.
> > Are Racists.
> > Are Pro-War.
> > Are Pro-Torture.
> > Are Pro-Execution.
> > Are Pro-Money-lender.
> > Despise Human Rights.
> > Despise The Poor.
> > Despise Women.
> > They appear to be against everything Jesus stood for.
Liberal Here
Nov 15, 2012, 7:10:37 PM11/15/12
to
On Nov 14, 9:34 am, "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"
Go read the title of the Presidential Daily Briefing that Bush 1/2
couldn't understand and SecState Rice thought the title of which had
nothing to do with the al Qaeda intentions.
Get lost, little fascist.
couldn't understand and SecState Rice thought the title of which had
nothing to do with the al Qaeda intentions.
Get lost, little fascist.
Christin Celina Keating
Nov 15, 2012, 6:01:52 PM11/15/12
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<liber...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Really? How many new businesses did he build in America? How many
>failing businesses did he rescue and save here in America???
>I believe the numbers are zero and zero.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Started: He was behind the start up of Staples.
Helped: Sealy, Brookstone, The Sports Authority, and Domino's.
http://whyromney.com/success.php
David Hartung
Nov 16, 2012, 2:04:03 PM11/16/12
to
On 11/11/2012 12:59 PM, emoneyjoe wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:25:33 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/10/2012 02:48 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>
>>> "Dennis M" <denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:dennism3-F22CCD...@bonxibon.datemas.de...
>>>> In article <a_ydnUKJHtkY9APN...@giganews.com>,
>>>> David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If Obama did indeed lie about, and try to cover up what happened at
>>>>> Behghazi, then he derserves to be impeached.
>>>>
>>>> Gee, 4 Americans dead in Benghazi compared to George Bush's lying and
>>>> covering up about Iraq's WMDs, which cost 4,486 American deaths
>>>> beginning in 2003 and untold hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi
>>>> lives.
>>>
>>> Just the kind of disaster the Republicans need....an attempt to impeach
>>> Obama.
>>> Republicans will NEVER let it happen.
>>> They remember to cost to them of the Clinton impeachment.
>>> Hartung is an idiot
>>
>> Sid, no matter how much Obama might deserve to be impeached(I am not yet
>> convinced he does), it will not happen. Even if the Republican House
>> votes to impeach, the Democrat Senate will not convict.
>
> If the house votes impeach, isn't the
> president impeached?
But not convicted and removed.
> On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:25:33 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/10/2012 02:48 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>>>
>>> "Dennis M" <denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:dennism3-F22CCD...@bonxibon.datemas.de...
>>>> In article <a_ydnUKJHtkY9APN...@giganews.com>,
>>>> David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If Obama did indeed lie about, and try to cover up what happened at
>>>>> Behghazi, then he derserves to be impeached.
>>>>
>>>> Gee, 4 Americans dead in Benghazi compared to George Bush's lying and
>>>> covering up about Iraq's WMDs, which cost 4,486 American deaths
>>>> beginning in 2003 and untold hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi
>>>> lives.
>>>
>>> Just the kind of disaster the Republicans need....an attempt to impeach
>>> Obama.
>>> Republicans will NEVER let it happen.
>>> They remember to cost to them of the Clinton impeachment.
>>> Hartung is an idiot
>>
>> Sid, no matter how much Obama might deserve to be impeached(I am not yet
>> convinced he does), it will not happen. Even if the Republican House
>> votes to impeach, the Democrat Senate will not convict.
>
> If the house votes impeach, isn't the
> president impeached?
> The senate may have options other
> than removal from office.
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Maj. Gen. Patrick Brady
By Maj. Gen. Patrick Brady, U.S. Army (ret.)
This year marks the 50th anniversary of the Vietnam War, and as we
celebrate Veterans Day, I hope Americans will remember the great
warriors of Vietnam.
I wonder if there is another war we fought where, after 50 years, we
were still saying “welcome home.” I dare say the rest of our warriors
were welcomed home when they came back.
The reason, of course, is that when the Vietnam vet came home he was
treated like a war criminal from a losing effort, not something
Americans are enamored with.
Yet, that soldier was never defeated on any battlefield in Vietnam. Our
defeat was at the hands of our elite in the courtrooms, the classrooms,
the cloak rooms and the newsrooms: cowardly media-phobic politicians, an
irresponsible dishonest media, and other cowards and spoiled brats and
professors from Berkeley to Harvard. I wish I could find better words to
describe my feeling for them.
Living with the scars of war is difficult, for some unbearable, but all
veterans suffer. The Vietnam veteran suffered physically as much,
perhaps more, than any veteran of the past century. But no veteran has
suffered the mental agony of the Vietnam vet.
The thing that makes Vietnam so intolerable is what the elite tried to
do to dishonor the source of those scars, to intensify the pain of the
Vietnam veteran and destroy his unselfish and honorable legacy. They
opened a gash in the psyche of that veteran and then rubbed salt in it.
And as bad were the atrocities committed by the communists on the
friends we abandoned.
The good news is we have gotten over it, and the nation, I think, is
ashamed of that treatment. Perhaps it has a lot to do with the way we
treat today’s warriors – with a respect, even reverence, that every
American warrior deserves.
Medal of Honor recipient Gen. Patrick Brady tells the inspiring,
miraculous story of his days as a Dust Off air ambulance pilot in
Vietnam. Get his newly reissued book, autographed: “Dead Men Flying:
Victory in Viet Nam”
America has no kings or queens, but we do have a nobility, and the
Vietnam vets were noble warriors. They don’t believe they did America a
favor by their service; they believe God did them a favor by allowing
them to be born in this great country.
Today 87 percent of Americans hold the Vietnam vet in high esteem.
Hopefully, not out of pity but for what he did.
And what he did was incredible. As we celebrate the 50th anniversary of
Vietnam, This is a good time to look back on that great soldier and set
the record straight, for future generations, but especially for today’s
young people, to ensure they are not misinformed about the sacrifices of
their parents and relatives who served in Vietnam.
Vietnam matches in unselfishness anything we ever did. There was really
nothing in it for us in a materiel sense. We were simply trying to help
a helpless people be free from the horrible evil of communism.
The GI contributed so much in their usual generous way to the welfare,
the health and the education of those wonderful people.
Especially the young. The Vietnam vet built hospitals and orphanages,
vaccinated thousands. We adopted the children, educated them; we cared
for and about those people. No barrier, no political system will erase
what our Vietnam veterans gave to those people.
Vietnam may be the only war we ever fought, or perhaps that was ever
fought, in which the American soldier added to their heroism a
humanitarianism unmatched in the annals of warfare. And he did during
the heat of the battle. Humanitarianism was our victory in Vietnam.
And the fruits of our humanitarian effort is still there in psyche of
the people of Vietnam, in their hearts and souls, as it is in the hearts
of so many people all over the world who have been touched by the
American GI. And it cannot help but have a positive influence in the
years to come.
I have been back three times and was amazed at my treatment. Of all the
countries in the world the young Vietnamese want to visit, America ranks
No. 1.
If we look beyond the media narrative, we see the quality of the Vietnam
veteran, the intensity of that fight and the suffering of that soldier.
Contrary to media reports, he did not abuse drugs beyond his civilian
cohort. He was less likely to be in prison than non-vets; his income
exceeded non-vets by 18 percent, and his unemployment was less. The
Vietnam vet was and is an outstanding citizen. And veterans from that
war were responsible for the remarkable victory in Desert Storm.
Some say the fighting in Vietnam was less intense than in World War II.
The average infantryman in the Pacific in WWII saw about 40 days of
combat in four years. His counterpart in Vietnam saw about 240 days of
combat in one year.
The percent of those who died is similar to other wars, but the percent
of traumatic amputation and crippling wounds were 300 percent higher in
Vietnam than World War II – 75,000 Vietnam vets were severely disabled.
The atrocities committed by U.S. troops were horrible, but not more
horrible than any war – and those guilty were persecuted. The atrocities
committed by the communist resulted in commendations by their side and
went virtually unreported by the media. Over 36,000 South Vietnamese
were assassinated and over 58,000 abducted.
Ninety-one percent of Vietnam vets are glad they served. And they were
the highest-educated force we ever sent into combat.
One disturbing statistic among Vietnam veterans was their suicide rate.
In the first five years after discharge, the rate was 1.7 times higher
than non-veterans. After five years it was less. This may have been due
to the treatment the Vietnam veteran received in the early years after
the war.
During Vietnam, and since, we’ve heard a lot about the so-called peace
demonstrators in our society, but I am sincerely hard-pressed to
understand what these people really contribute or promote to ensure
peace. They seem always to attack some element of our strength, which is
the very source of peace.
All the sheep, all the chickens, in the world would like for everyone to
be vegetarians, but that hasn’t happened – probably won’t happen – there
are simply too many wolves out there.
Our veterans – our military – are the real peace demonstrators in
America. Strength offers the only hope of peace, and these men and women
have demonstrated for peace by contributing to our strength. They have
put their bodies, their very being, where their mouth is on behalf of
peace. That is not hollow rhetoric on some safe street corner – it is
cold hard steel and warm blood. No one can do any more to ensure peace.
It was our warriors in Vietnam who slowed the onslaught of communism to
this day. And communism is dead in Vietnam; they just don’t know what to
do with the corpse.
There is an inscription on the wall of a veterans cemetery that says
they sacrificed their youth that liberty might grow old. There is no one
anywhere who that better applies to than the veterans of Vietnam.
Humanitarianism and a road block to communism were our great victories
in Vietnam.
The World War II guy was my hero. The Vietnam vet is my brother and
sister, and it is heart-wrenching to remember the way they were treated.
I was with many of them when they took their last helicopter ride. I
hope America will pay special thanks to those great warriors this
Veterans Day – and say a prayer for those on the Wall in Washington.
Get the full account of Gen. Brady’s Vietnam rescue operations in his
book, “Dead Men Flying,” a riveting tale from America’s most decorated
living soldier – autographed!
Maj. Gen. Patrick Brady, retired from the U.S. Army, is a recipient of
the United States military’s highest decoration, the Medal of Honor.
What eould they be, and what is the COnstutitonal basis?
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Mitchell Holman
Nov 16, 2012, 10:05:26 PM11/16/12
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David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote in
news:q_adnbuCEdu-EzvN...@giganews.com:
What bilge. The Vietnam was was lost because:
1) The Vietnamese people would never tolerate foreign
troops running their country.
2) Successive administrations kept promising and quick
end to the war with the next troop buildup, complete
with fabricated "body counts" and "light at the end of
the tunnel" and "peace with honor" even as the locals
refused to give up.
3) After a decade of war and deaths and war and deaths
with no end in sight the American public was fed up
with it. No wonder both Nixon and Humphrey campaigned
as "peace" candidates in 1968. Even war hawk McNamara
knew the war was lost even before that.
4) The tragedy is that the war would never have happened
but for American meddling in Vietnamese politics during
the Eisenhower years.
news:q_adnbuCEdu-EzvN...@giganews.com:
1) The Vietnamese people would never tolerate foreign
troops running their country.
2) Successive administrations kept promising and quick
end to the war with the next troop buildup, complete
with fabricated "body counts" and "light at the end of
the tunnel" and "peace with honor" even as the locals
refused to give up.
3) After a decade of war and deaths and war and deaths
with no end in sight the American public was fed up
with it. No wonder both Nixon and Humphrey campaigned
as "peace" candidates in 1968. Even war hawk McNamara
knew the war was lost even before that.
4) The tragedy is that the war would never have happened
but for American meddling in Vietnamese politics during
the Eisenhower years.
Marvin the Martian
Nov 16, 2012, 10:31:47 PM11/16/12
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The Viet Cong were destroyed as a fighting force. The North Vietnamese
took massive casualties. Then certain left wing liberal putzii, like
Walter Cronkite and John Kerry, made them do a double take - "What? We
won?!"
Graig Antionette Muhammad
Nov 16, 2012, 7:32:53 PM11/16/12
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Mitchel is a far-left liar, but usually runs away after a few days of
being slapped around. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
<nom...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Buster Norris <bustyo...@rocketmail.com> wrote in
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>> On Sat, 28 May 2011 20:52:52 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill
>> <BretC...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>>>> > How do you have rights without government?
>>>> Natural rights, also called inalienable rights, are considered to be
>>>> self-evident and universal.
>>>Supposng a bad guy statist disagrees?
>> 2nd Amendment..............
> A "right" created and protected by government.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The government doesn't create natural rights........
"The Bill of Rights is a series of limitations on the power of the
United States federal government, protecting the natural rights of
liberty and property including freedom of religion, freedom of speech,
a free press, free assembly, and free association, as well as the
right to keep and bear arms."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights
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<nom...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Buster Norris <bustyo...@rocketmail.com> wrote in
>news:mqg3u61j2ngo0so9h...@4ax.com:
>> On Sat, 28 May 2011 20:52:52 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill
>> <BretC...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>>>> > How do you have rights without government?
>>>> Natural rights, also called inalienable rights, are considered to be
>>>> self-evident and universal.
>>>Supposng a bad guy statist disagrees?
>> 2nd Amendment..............
> A "right" created and protected by government.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The government doesn't create natural rights........
"The Bill of Rights is a series of limitations on the power of the
United States federal government, protecting the natural rights of
liberty and property including freedom of religion, freedom of speech,
a free press, free assembly, and free association, as well as the
right to keep and bear arms."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights
emoneyjoe
Nov 17, 2012, 1:13:26 AM11/17/12
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:05:26 -0600, Mitchell Holman <nomailverizon.net>
wrote:
>> were still saying “welcome home.” I dare say the rest of our
agreement, which the north broke, but
after the prisoners were brought home,
who cares.
>1) The Vietnamese people would never tolerate foreign
>troops running their country.
The ground war was in the south,
trying to resist the north taking over,
most of the south didn't want to live
under communism, odd you didn't
mention communism and that half
the enemy were north regular army
and Chinese regulars, with Chinese
and Soviet pilots flying the planes.
>2) Successive administrations kept promising and quick
>end to the war with the next troop buildup, complete
>with fabricated "body counts" and "light at the end of
>the tunnel" and "peace with honor" even as the locals
>refused to give up.
What do you mean "successive",
the agreement was reached under
Nixon, is it that you can only count
to two?
>3) After a decade of war and deaths and war and deaths
>with no end in sight the American public was fed up
>with it. No wonder both Nixon and Humphrey campaigned
>as "peace" candidates in 1968. Even war hawk McNamara
>knew the war was lost even before that.
The reason for the attempt to
delay communist take over was
never really explained, it has been
suggested it was because most of
the world's active tin mines were
there, and it was crucial to have a
supply of tin.
>4) The tragedy is that the war would never have happened
>but for American meddling in Vietnamese politics during
>the Eisenhower years.
Somebody is delusional, ignoring
the progressive march of communism
spreading out from China, the only
reason Nam was different from Korea
is the long border with other nations
that prevented straight line front
warfare.
Where did you get your information,
from wiki?
wrote:
>> warriors were welcomed home when they came back.
>>
>> The reason, of course, is that when the Vietnam vet came home he was
>> treated like a war criminal from a losing effort, not something
>> Americans are enamored with.
>>
>> Yet, that soldier was never defeated on any battlefield in Vietnam.
>> Our defeat was at the hands of our elite in the courtrooms, the
>> classrooms, the cloak rooms and the newsrooms: cowardly media-phobic
>> politicians, an irresponsible dishonest media, and other cowards and
>> spoiled brats and professors from Berkeley to Harvard. I wish I could
>> find better words to describe my feeling for them.
>>
>
>
> What bilge. The Vietnam was was lost because:
It wasn't lost, it was ended with an
>>
>> The reason, of course, is that when the Vietnam vet came home he was
>> treated like a war criminal from a losing effort, not something
>> Americans are enamored with.
>>
>> Yet, that soldier was never defeated on any battlefield in Vietnam.
>> Our defeat was at the hands of our elite in the courtrooms, the
>> classrooms, the cloak rooms and the newsrooms: cowardly media-phobic
>> politicians, an irresponsible dishonest media, and other cowards and
>> spoiled brats and professors from Berkeley to Harvard. I wish I could
>> find better words to describe my feeling for them.
>>
>
>
> What bilge. The Vietnam was was lost because:
agreement, which the north broke, but
after the prisoners were brought home,
who cares.
>1) The Vietnamese people would never tolerate foreign
>troops running their country.
trying to resist the north taking over,
most of the south didn't want to live
under communism, odd you didn't
mention communism and that half
the enemy were north regular army
and Chinese regulars, with Chinese
and Soviet pilots flying the planes.
>2) Successive administrations kept promising and quick
>end to the war with the next troop buildup, complete
>with fabricated "body counts" and "light at the end of
>the tunnel" and "peace with honor" even as the locals
>refused to give up.
the agreement was reached under
Nixon, is it that you can only count
to two?
>3) After a decade of war and deaths and war and deaths
>with no end in sight the American public was fed up
>with it. No wonder both Nixon and Humphrey campaigned
>as "peace" candidates in 1968. Even war hawk McNamara
>knew the war was lost even before that.
delay communist take over was
never really explained, it has been
suggested it was because most of
the world's active tin mines were
there, and it was crucial to have a
supply of tin.
>4) The tragedy is that the war would never have happened
>but for American meddling in Vietnamese politics during
>the Eisenhower years.
the progressive march of communism
spreading out from China, the only
reason Nam was different from Korea
is the long border with other nations
that prevented straight line front
warfare.
Where did you get your information,
from wiki?
Dakota
Nov 17, 2012, 2:49:29 AM11/17/12
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rest of southeast Asia will turn commie.
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Liberal Here
Nov 17, 2012, 3:31:38 PM11/17/12
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On Nov 16, 10:31 pm, Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:05:26 -0600, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> > David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote in
> >news:q_adnbuCEdu-EzvN...@giganews.com:
>
> >> On 11/11/2012 12:59 PM, emoneyjoe wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:25:33 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> On 11/10/2012 02:48 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>
> >>>>> "Dennis M" <denni...@dennism3.invalid> wrote in message
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:05:26 -0600, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> > David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote in
> >news:q_adnbuCEdu-EzvN...@giganews.com:
>
> >> On 11/11/2012 12:59 PM, emoneyjoe wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:25:33 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> On 11/10/2012 02:48 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>
> >>>>>news:dennism3-F22CCD...@bonxibon.datemas.de...
> >>>>>> In article <a_ydnUKJHtkY9APNnZ2dnUVZ_qmdn...@giganews.com>, David
destroyed in Tet, it was the Viet Cong. After Tet, the VC were too
feeble to be a threat. That's when the North took over the fight.
Which war(s) have you volunteered for?
Me? "RA", not even "US". Indeed, one of the last to get the RA
identifier. MOS:. 13B40.
Liberal Here
Nov 17, 2012, 3:50:11 PM11/17/12
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On Nov 17, 1:13 am, emoneyjoe <emoney...@iglou.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:05:26 -0600, Mitchell Holman <nomailverizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote in
> >news:q_adnbuCEdu-EzvN...@giganews.com:
>
> >> On 11/11/2012 12:59 PM, emoneyjoe wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:25:33 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> On 11/10/2012 02:48 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>
> >>>>> "Dennis M" <denni...@dennism3.invalid> wrote in message
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:05:26 -0600, Mitchell Holman <nomailverizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote in
> >news:q_adnbuCEdu-EzvN...@giganews.com:
>
> >> On 11/11/2012 12:59 PM, emoneyjoe wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:25:33 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> On 11/10/2012 02:48 PM, Sid9 wrote:
>
> >>>>>news:dennism3-F22CCD...@bonxibon.datemas.de...
> >>>>>> In article <a_ydnUKJHtkY9APNnZ2dnUVZ_qmdn...@giganews.com>,
agrarian society is basically socialist. Ho, as WW2 ended, asked the
US to help free Vietnam from French control. But the US, to get France
to join NATO, refused. Ho returned to the Soviet Union for help.
Eisenhower reneged on a promise of national elections in both the
North and South to decide the issue of reunification. But polls of the
South Vietnamese indicated Ho Chi Minh would win. so Eisenhower didn't
let the voting happen.
Just curious, but why do you think it was okay for the US to get
involved militarily in IndoChina but not China???? China's not a
savior, but neither has America been most of our history (see:
American Manifest Destiny).
The "march" of Communism in Asia had a lot to do with French
colonialism. Chinese communism was the product of British control of
China (see Boxer rebellion and opium trade). Russia merely took
advantage of the reluctance of European colonial powers to give up
their profitable colonies. South America still has a strain of Marxism
in it due to the behavior of American companies (see Dole Fruit
Company, United Fruit Company) in those countries.
emoneyjoe
Nov 17, 2012, 3:59:14 PM11/17/12
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 07:30:38 -0800, Morgoth Bauglir <Mel...@Mordor.com>
wrote:
>>> What bilge. The Vietnam was was lost because:
>>
>> It wasn't lost, it was ended with an
>> agreement
>
>.....an agreement which pulled US troops out of Vietnam but permitted NVA
>troops to remain in south Vietnam.
>
>That's called a surrender.
Your response is a denial of the fact
that the north violated the agreement and
attacked.
>> The ground war was in the south,
>> trying to resist the north taking over,
>> most of the south didn't want to live
>> under communism
>
>It was initially a revolt againt French imperialism which became a war
>against US imperialism; the people of the South didn't support the US
>puppets installed in violation of the 1954 agreement, which had called for
>free elections.
Agreement with whom, the French?
>> and that half
>> the enemy were north regular army
>> and Chinese regulars, with Chinese
>> and Soviet pilots flying the planes.
>
>Bullshit. I interviewd lots of prisoners; every one of the was Vietnamese.
>The Vietnamese don't get along well with Chinese.
And you think that means there
was no Chinese involvement?
" China
1,446 KIA"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties
Possibly more telling about China's
involvement is the aftermath of the US
involvement, China had sent most of
the military equipment, and resisted
when the Vietnamese told them to
go home.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War#Chinese_casualties
Only a dozen or so Soviets were
killed, mostly fighter pilots.
>>>2) Successive administrations kept promising and quick
>>>end to the war with the next troop buildup, complete
>>>with fabricated "body counts" and "light at the end of
>>>the tunnel" and "peace with honor"
>
>That's certainly true; Westmoreland told LBJ that the war had been won; two
>months later the NVA took over almost every city in the South.
>Believing Westmoreland cost LBJ his job (and rightly so).
It seemed LBJ became unhappy with
the leftists causing trouble.
>>>even as the locals refused to give up.
>
>The only "locals" who refused to give up were the US puppets; they didn't
>have the support of the vast majority of the Vietnamese of the south.
One only need look at how many
hundred thousand the north killed after
the US pulled out.
>>>4) The tragedy is that the war would never have happened
>>>but for American meddling in Vietnamese politics during
>>>the Eisenhower years.
>
>
>That's certainly true.
What happened to the attributes
for that statement, it had to come
direct from Soviet or Chinese propaganda.
>> Somebody is delusional, ignoring
>> the progressive march of communism
>> spreading out from China,
>
>Ah, the long discredited "domino theory",
No, a fact, China helped Korea cause
trouble, and then the Vietnamese, all part
of a plan.
I find it very odd that you seem to
ignore that China became communist
with the help of the Soviets, and the
Soviets helped in Korea and Viet Nam.
>But the North WON, and the world didn't end.
If you call agreeing to a cease fire
after the north was bombed back to
the dark ages at the end of 1972,
as winning, ok, but that sounds like
a French explanation.
>A couple of million Vietnamese died, but at least they got what they were
>fighting for,
More may have died after the US
pulled out than while the US was there.
>Fifty thousand Americans died, and they died for nothing.
Your opinion maybe, the thing is,
communism was stopped, the US
found other sources of tin, all that
remains is the question of what
the communists do from now on.
>> Where did you get your information,
>> from wiki?
>
>I was there.
On whose side?
wrote:
>>> What bilge. The Vietnam was was lost because:
>>
>> It wasn't lost, it was ended with an
>> agreement
>
>troops to remain in south Vietnam.
>
>That's called a surrender.
Your response is a denial of the fact
that the north violated the agreement and
attacked.
>> The ground war was in the south,
>> trying to resist the north taking over,
>> most of the south didn't want to live
>> under communism
>
>against US imperialism; the people of the South didn't support the US
>puppets installed in violation of the 1954 agreement, which had called for
>free elections.
Agreement with whom, the French?
>> and that half
>> the enemy were north regular army
>> and Chinese regulars, with Chinese
>> and Soviet pilots flying the planes.
>
>The Vietnamese don't get along well with Chinese.
And you think that means there
was no Chinese involvement?
" China
1,446 KIA"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties
Possibly more telling about China's
involvement is the aftermath of the US
involvement, China had sent most of
the military equipment, and resisted
when the Vietnamese told them to
go home.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War#Chinese_casualties
Only a dozen or so Soviets were
killed, mostly fighter pilots.
>>>2) Successive administrations kept promising and quick
>>>end to the war with the next troop buildup, complete
>>>with fabricated "body counts" and "light at the end of
>>>the tunnel" and "peace with honor"
>
>months later the NVA took over almost every city in the South.
>Believing Westmoreland cost LBJ his job (and rightly so).
It seemed LBJ became unhappy with
the leftists causing trouble.
>>>even as the locals refused to give up.
>
>have the support of the vast majority of the Vietnamese of the south.
One only need look at how many
hundred thousand the north killed after
the US pulled out.
>>>4) The tragedy is that the war would never have happened
>>>but for American meddling in Vietnamese politics during
>>>the Eisenhower years.
>
>
What happened to the attributes
for that statement, it had to come
direct from Soviet or Chinese propaganda.
>> Somebody is delusional, ignoring
>> the progressive march of communism
>> spreading out from China,
>
No, a fact, China helped Korea cause
trouble, and then the Vietnamese, all part
of a plan.
I find it very odd that you seem to
ignore that China became communist
with the help of the Soviets, and the
Soviets helped in Korea and Viet Nam.
>But the North WON, and the world didn't end.
If you call agreeing to a cease fire
after the north was bombed back to
the dark ages at the end of 1972,
as winning, ok, but that sounds like
a French explanation.
>A couple of million Vietnamese died, but at least they got what they were
>fighting for,
More may have died after the US
pulled out than while the US was there.
>Fifty thousand Americans died, and they died for nothing.
Your opinion maybe, the thing is,
communism was stopped, the US
found other sources of tin, all that
remains is the question of what
the communists do from now on.
>> Where did you get your information,
>> from wiki?
>
On whose side?
M. Cara Rossi-Perea
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On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:49:54 -0700 (PDT), liberal
<liber...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jul 25, 11:44 am, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com>
>wrote:
>> What will happen, "if" we continue to spend money we do not have?
>Depends on whether we spend it on senseless wars and bonuses to Wall
>Street crooks
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO Porkulus money was given to ANYONE as "bonuses"................
Cecily Jose Pritchard
Nov 17, 2012, 5:46:28 PM11/17/12
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>On Mon 7/12/10 7:24, Smackwater Jack wrote:
>> U.S. Justice Department 2006 rape statistics URL:
>> http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0602.pdf
>> Scroll to Table 42. --> 32,443 White women raped by Negro men, zero
>> Negro women raped by White men.
>> U.S. Justice Department 2005 rape statistics URL:
>> http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0502.pdf
>> Scroll to Table 42. --> 37,460 White women raped by Negroes, zero
>> Negro women raped by White men.
>> U.S. Justice Department 2004 rape statistics URL:
>> http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0402.pdf
>> Scroll to Table 42. --> 11,611 White women raped by Negro men, zero
>> Negro women raped by White men.
>> U.S. Justice Department 2003 rape statistics URL:
>> http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0302.pdf
>> Scroll to Table 42. --> 20,309 White women raped by Negro men, zero
>> Negro women raped by White men.
>> it just proves apartied was good as was
>> segregation we had in the south till
>> the liberals started their shit it proves
>> two things
>> 1. even a horney nigger buck wont rape a sow
>> 2. bucks activly stalk, target and
>> prey upon human women.
>> 3. spaying and nuetering
>> is a solution to the
>> negro problem
>Your links don't work.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All the links above work.
frequently revert to behavior most similar to a zoo monkey who sits in
the cage throwing feces at passersby but saying nothing of value. Note
that when you reply to a Proven Liar you encourage them to continue
lying.
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The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:12:34 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAM.com> wrote:
lying.
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The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
>On Mon 7/12/10 7:24, Smackwater Jack wrote:
>> U.S. Justice Department 2006 rape statistics URL:
>> http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0602.pdf
>> Scroll to Table 42. --> 32,443 White women raped by Negro men, zero
>> Negro women raped by White men.
>> U.S. Justice Department 2005 rape statistics URL:
>> http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0502.pdf
>> Scroll to Table 42. --> 37,460 White women raped by Negroes, zero
>> Negro women raped by White men.
>> U.S. Justice Department 2004 rape statistics URL:
>> http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0402.pdf
>> Scroll to Table 42. --> 11,611 White women raped by Negro men, zero
>> Negro women raped by White men.
>> U.S. Justice Department 2003 rape statistics URL:
>> http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0302.pdf
>> Scroll to Table 42. --> 20,309 White women raped by Negro men, zero
>> Negro women raped by White men.
>> it just proves apartied was good as was
>> segregation we had in the south till
>> the liberals started their shit it proves
>> two things
>> 1. even a horney nigger buck wont rape a sow
>> 2. bucks activly stalk, target and
>> prey upon human women.
>> 3. spaying and nuetering
>> is a solution to the
>> negro problem
>Your links don't work.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All the links above work.
Mitchell Holman
Nov 17, 2012, 10:35:25 PM11/17/12
to
Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote in news:vbudnb9Wj4e-
mDrNnZ2dnU...@giganews.com:
Tet happened amid US reports about the war was
"winding down", that "victory was in sight" and the
country "pacified". It make fools of the Pentagon
brass, it brought the war home to Americans watching
television, it showed that the Vietnamese were NEVER
going to give up. For the US it was a Pyrrhic victory.
They killed a lot of VC, but support for the war went
into a nosedive from which it never recovered.
mDrNnZ2dnU...@giganews.com:
"winding down", that "victory was in sight" and the
country "pacified". It make fools of the Pentagon
brass, it brought the war home to Americans watching
television, it showed that the Vietnamese were NEVER
going to give up. For the US it was a Pyrrhic victory.
They killed a lot of VC, but support for the war went
into a nosedive from which it never recovered.
Mitchell Holman
Nov 17, 2012, 10:37:52 PM11/17/12
to
emoneyjoe <emon...@iglou.com> wrote in
news:vpsfa8dhtvgigb3sb...@4ax.com:
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 07:30:38 -0800, Morgoth Bauglir
> <Mel...@Mordor.com> wrote:
>
>>>> What bilge. The Vietnam was was lost because:
>>>
>>> It wasn't lost, it was ended with an
>>> agreement
>>
>>.....an agreement which pulled US troops out of Vietnam but permitted
>>NVA troops to remain in south Vietnam.
>>
>>That's called a surrender.
>
> Your response is a denial of the fact
> that the north violated the agreement and
> attacked.
>
>
>>> The ground war was in the south,
>>> trying to resist the north taking over,
>>> most of the south didn't want to live
>>> under communism
>>
>>It was initially a revolt againt French imperialism which became a war
>>against US imperialism; the people of the South didn't support the US
>>puppets installed in violation of the 1954 agreement, which had called
>>for free elections.
>
> Agreement with whom, the French?
"President Eisenhower's Memoires, Mandate for Change, page
372, shows that he believed Ho Chi Minh would have won any
free election in Vietnam in 1956. This is certainly why the
U.S. did not permit such an election, though the Geneva
Convention of 1954 required it."
http://www.chss.montclair.edu/English/furr/ike1.html
news:vpsfa8dhtvgigb3sb...@4ax.com:
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 07:30:38 -0800, Morgoth Bauglir
> <Mel...@Mordor.com> wrote:
>
>>>> What bilge. The Vietnam was was lost because:
>>>
>>> It wasn't lost, it was ended with an
>>> agreement
>>
>>.....an agreement which pulled US troops out of Vietnam but permitted
>>NVA troops to remain in south Vietnam.
>>
>>That's called a surrender.
>
> Your response is a denial of the fact
> that the north violated the agreement and
> attacked.
>
>
>>> The ground war was in the south,
>>> trying to resist the north taking over,
>>> most of the south didn't want to live
>>> under communism
>>
>>It was initially a revolt againt French imperialism which became a war
>>against US imperialism; the people of the South didn't support the US
>>puppets installed in violation of the 1954 agreement, which had called
>>for free elections.
>
> Agreement with whom, the French?
372, shows that he believed Ho Chi Minh would have won any
free election in Vietnam in 1956. This is certainly why the
U.S. did not permit such an election, though the Geneva
Convention of 1954 required it."
http://www.chss.montclair.edu/English/furr/ike1.html
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