Repeal Of ObamaCare Is A Fantasy, GOP On Suicide Watch

[Bradley K. Sherman]

|
| Repeal Is a Fantasy
|
| by David Frum Jun 28, 2012 1:10 PM EDT
|
| The Republican Plan B is to repeal Obamacare on Day 1 of a
| Romney presidency.
|
| Good luck with that.
|
| First, today's Supreme Court decision will make it a lot
| harder to elect Mitt Romney. President Obama has just been
| handed a fearsome election weapon. 2012 is no longer
| exclusively a referendum on the president's economic
| management. 2012 is now also a referendum on Mitt Romney's
| healthcare plans. The president can now plausibly say that
| a vote for the Republicans is a vote to raise prescription
| drug costs on senior citizens and to empower insurance
| companies to deny coverage to children for pre-existing
| conditions. Those charges will hurt--and maybe hurt enough
| to sway the election.
|
| Second, even if Republicans do win the White House and
| Senate in 2012, how much appetite will they then have for
| that 1-page repeal bill? Suddenly it will be their town
| halls filled with outraged senior citizens whose benefits
| are threatened; their incumbencies that will be threatened.
| Already we are hearing that some Republicans wish to retain
| the more popular elements of the Affordable Care Act (ACA).
| Which means the proposed 1-page bill will begin to grow.
| ...
<http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/28/repeal-is-a-fantasy.html>

--bks

[Debacle @whitehouse.org Obama's Wreckovery Disaster@White House.gov]

"Bradley K. Sherman" <b...@panix.com> wrote in message
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Reuters Poll: 73% of Independents Oppose Obamacare

Most Americans oppose President Barack Obama's healthcare reform even though
they strongly support most of its provisions, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed on
Sunday, with the Supreme Court set to rule within days on whether the law
should stand.

Fifty-six percent of people are against the healthcare overhaul and 44
percent favor it, according to the online poll conducted from Tuesday
through Saturday.

The survey results suggest that Republicans are convincing voters to reject
Obama's reform even when they like much of what is in it, such as allowing
children to stay on their parents' insurance until age 26.

Strong majorities favor most of what is in the law.

A glaring exception to the popular provisions is the "individual mandate,"
which forces all U.S. residents to own health insurance.

Sixty-one percent of Americans are against the mandate, the issue at the
center of the Republicans' contention that the law is unconstitutional,
while 39 percent favor it.

"That's really the thing that has come to define the (reform) and is the
thing that could potentially allow the Supreme Court to dismantle it if they
decide it's not constitutional," Ipsos pollster Chris Jackson said.

In good news for Republicans at November's congressional elections, 45
percent said they were more likely to vote for a member of Congress who
campaigned on a platform of repealing the law, versus 26 percent who said it
would make them less likely, the survey showed.

The Supreme Court is expected to rule on the 2010 healthcare reform, Obama's
signature domestic policy achievement, this week, possibly as early as
Monday.

The political stakes are sky-high on an issue that has galvanized
conservative opposition to the Democratic president, and how the court's
decision is framed politically could influence the outcome of the November 6
general election.

Support for the provisions of the healthcare law was strong, with a full 82
percent of survey respondents, for example, favoring banning insurance
companies from denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions.

Sixty-one percent are in favor of allowing children to stay on their
parents' insurance until age 26 and 72 percent back requiring companies with
more than 50 employees to provide insurance for their employees.

PARTISAN DIVISION

Americans are strongly divided along partisan lines. Among Republicans, 86
percent oppose and 14 percent favor the law and Democrats back it by a
3-to-1 margin, 75 percent to 25 percent, the Reuters/Ipsos poll showed.

But in what could be a key indicator for the presidential contest, people
who describe themselves as political independents oppose the law by 73
percent to 27 percent.

Opposition among independents has been growing. In a survey conducted in
April, two weeks after the Supreme Court heard the case, 63 percent of them
opposed the measure, and 37 percent favored it.

"Republicans have won the argument with independents and that's really been
the reason that we see the majority of the public opposing it," Jackson
said.

Republicans have dominated the political message on healthcare with calls to
"repeal and replace" the law, condemned by conservatives as a government
intrusion into private industry and the lives of private citizens. It passed
in March 2010 with no Republican support in Congress.

Mitt Romney, the likely Republican presidential nominee, has promised to
repeal the law if he defeats Obama, although he has not offered a plan of
his own. Obama, who says he modeled the measure on a healthcare plan Romney
passed as governor of Massachusetts, has defended it.

Obama critics - some from within his own party - have also questioned the
president for focusing on healthcare reform early in his term instead of
doing everything he could to fix the struggling U.S. economy.

Democrats back the measure as an effort to improve the lives of Americans
and essential to control spiraling costs that are undermining the country's
overall economic health. Healthcare expenditures in the United States neared
$2.6 trillion in 2010, over 10 times the $256 billion spent in 1980,
according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

A good portion of the opposition to the healthcare law is because Americans
want more reform, not less of it.

The poll found that a large number of Americans - including about one-third
of Republicans and independents who disagree with the law - oppose it
because it does not go far enough to fix healthcare.

Seventy-one percent of Republican opponents reject it overall, while 29
percent feel it does not go far enough, while independent opponents are
divided 67 percent to 33 percent. Among Democratic opponents, 49 percent
reject it overall, and 51 percent wish the measure went further.

"If you add the people that oppose it because they think it doesn't go far
enough, you get a majority of Americans, so it doesn't mean that healthcare
reform is dead," Jackson said.

There was party division in Americans' view of the individual mandate.
Overall, 61 percent of Americans oppose requiring all U.S. residents to own
health insurance. Among Republicans, the percentage rose to 81 percent, and
it was 73 percent among independents. But a majority of Democrats - 59
percent - favor the individual mandate.

The survey of 1,043 Americans was conducted from June 19-23. The precision
of the Reuters/Ipsos online polls is measured using a credibility interval.
In this case, the poll has a credibility interval of plus or minus 3.5
percentage points.

© 2012 Thomson/Reuters. All rights reserved.



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[Mal]

He can always just import more voters from Mexico.

[emoneyjoe]

When all those democrats see that the fines
can be 2.5% of their earnings or $695 for singles
and $2035 for a family, they will vote straight
republican tickets.

$2000 for a family, for a fine?


And after the mandate is ruled unconstitutional?

Talk about spin, ruled unconstitutional,
but a fine? A fine for not doing something that
is ruled unconstitutional?

And then some in the media say the entire
act stands?

[First.Post]

Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote in news:j14qu7lhsbec29q5kbda964q9surop50v5@
4ax.com:

> "Obama's Wreckovery Disaster@White House.gov" <Obama Debacle @
> Whitehouse.org> wrote:
>

>>"Bradley K. Sherman" <b...@panix.com> wrote in message
>>news:jsiebg$4k5$1...@panix3.panix.com...
>>
>>Reuters Poll: 73% of Independents Oppose Obamacare
>

> He kissed a lot of Dems goodbye too ... Dems who
> have come to understand what a hyper-expensive
> clusterfuck this 'package' really is.
>
> Frankly, I don't think OB and Acorn can get enough
> Mexicans into the voting booths to overcome this.
> Romney is gonna win and the Republicans will own
> both houses too.
>
>

I dunno. There is still a shitload of useful idiots out there that still
believe that they'll be getting their "Obama money" if they can just keep
him in office for another term.
I have plenty of neighbors that seriously believe that the only reason
their mortgage isn't paid off along with their cars and aren;t getting a
check every month from the government is because the mean old Republicans
are keeping Obama from giving it to them. A lot of them also have been
bitten by the liberal "if the wealthy have less then they will have
more" bug.

[Lamont Cranston]

Your proof that he has done so, kooker?

Post it here ---->

[Errol Steel]

Lammy is a classic usenet zoo monkey. Liars, once they have been
exposed, frequently revert to behavior most similar to a zoo monkey
who sits in the cage throwing feces at passersby but saying nothing of
value. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you encourage them
to continue lying.

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The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:11:05 -0800, Lamont Cranston
<T...@TheShadowKnows.com> wrote:
>On 11/15/2011 11:18 AM, Sexual Harassment DemocRAT wrote:
>> I intend to close Guantanamo, and I will follow through on that;
>He did.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>He has ordered it closed. Congress refuses to provide any
>money to do so.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!

On May 20, 2009, the United States Senate passed an amendment to the
Supplemental Appropriations Act of 2009 (H.R. 2346) by a 90-6 vote to
block funds needed for the transfer or release of prisoners held at
the Guantanamo Bay detention camp.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp

Democrats 47
Republicans 38
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2009-202

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[Ramon F. Herrera]

On Jun 28, 9:19 pm, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
> Frankly, I don't think OB and Acorn can get enough
> Mexicans into the voting booths

One can't help but wonder whether you are aware of the long-term,
irreparable, permanent damage that you are inflicting to the
Republican Party.

-Ramon

[emoneyjoe]

A side effect of this may end up revealing every
case of tax _evasion_ like the ones that Obama's
cabinet nominees experienced.
How many will that put in jail?


Roberts may be far more intelligent than the
liberals think, and may end up making them
sorry for what they asked for.


Another side effect might be a domino effect,
if people in debt have to pay the IRS an extra
"tax" that they don't have the money to pay,
they may be forced to not pay other bills they
owe, and the people not receiving those payments
may go out of business or not be able to pay
their bills, causing a drop in money circulating,
and a deeper recession.

Be careful what you ask for.


It will be interesting to see how the IRS
discovers who does not have health insurance,
and how they will follow up investigating those
who apparently have no visible income but
are making regular payments for mortgages
or rent.

The master trouble maker may have
caused an economic armageddon.

[First. Post]

Morgoth Bauglir <Mel...@Mordor.com> wrote in news:kty9p8z8mexz
$.13er2bdh...@40tude.net:

>
>> "Obama's Wreckovery Disaster@White House.gov" <Obama Debacle @
>> Whitehouse.org> wrote:
>>

>>>"Bradley K. Sherman" <b...@panix.com> wrote in message
>>>news:jsiebg$4k5$1...@panix3.panix.com...
>>>
>>>Reuters Poll: 73% of Independents Oppose Obamacare
>>

>> He kissed a lot of Dems goodbye too ... Dems who
>> have come to understand what a hyper-expensive
>> clusterfuck this 'package' really is.
>>
>> Frankly, I don't think OB and Acorn can get enough
>> Mexicans into the voting booths to overcome this.
>> Romney is gonna win and the Republicans will own
>> both houses too.
>

> That's what you boys said in 2008, too.

No one said that in 08 liar.
>
> Can you say President McCain?

Can you say 2010 when you got shellacked at the polls dumbass?

Now run along and change your nym again coward.

[Verla B. Asher]

Ramon is foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron.".An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you

encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

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The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Thu, 2 Jun 2011 22:33:40 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
<gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote:
>I proudly hail from the country that has:
>(a) The most Miss Universe crowns.
>(b) The most Miss World crows.

Liar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Most wins 5 each: India, Venezuela, United Kingdom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_World

[Tom Swift Sr.]

On Jun 28, 3:45 pm, "Obama's Wreckovery Disaster@White House" wrote:
> Reuters Poll: 73% of Independents Oppose Obamacare...
> Read more on Newsmax.com

June 28th: Newsmax. Now there is an "unbaised" source. ROTFL.

November 17th: A Now CLUE:

------------
http://www.examiner.com/article/majority-of-americans-oppose-repealing-obamacare-new-poll-finds

* Majority of Americans Oppose Repealing Obamacare New Poll Finds
Obamacare *
by Robert Bowen
November 13, 2012


Last week Speaker John Boehner gave conflicting statements on what the
House Republican position is on repealing Obamacare now that President
Obama won the election. Boehner can’t make up his mind, but a majority
of Americans have made their minds up. A new Kaiser Family Foundation
poll released Tuesday finds that a majority of Americans do not want
the law repealed. In fact, only 33% support repeal. This is an all
time low.

For over a year after Congress passed the Affordable Care Act a
majority of voters said they opposed the law which Republicans called
“Obamacare” as a derogatory term. Republicans used distortions of the
law to propel themselves into the majority in 2010 elections. As
recently as October 2011, 51% of the population had an unfavorable
opinion of the law. In July, 45% wanted it repealed. In Kaiser's post-
election poll, however, 43% now favor the law but only 33% want to see
Congress repeal it.

Previous polling has shown that Americans were more supportive of
Obamacare’s individual provisions than a generic question on the law
itself. Voters approved of allowing young adults to remain on their
parents’ insurance plans, and preventing insurance companies from
discriminating against Americans with pre-existing conditions. Women,
particularly young, women are very supportive of the contraception
provisions. Now the law as a totality has more acceptance.

This is bad news for the Republican in Congress who campaigned on
repeal. Anti-Obamacare candidates spent over $20 million in
advertisements attacking Obamacare in the recent election. They now
find themselves on the wrong side of their constituents on this major
law that will go into full effect in 2014—the same year the House and
many Senators must run for re-election.

It is not clear if House and Senate Republicans are aware of popular
opinion or care. Last week House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH)
acknowledged that Obamacare is “the law of the land,” suggesting that
Republicans in Congress may finally stop their repeated attempts to
repeal the law. Shortly afterwards, his office quickly retracted those
statements saying that Republicans remain very committed to opposing
Obama’s health reform.

The Kaiser post-election poll had more clues about the mood of the
people. When asked if the Healthcare law would be good or bad for the
country, 43% said good only 30% said it would be bad. Exit polling
said that among voters who mentioned healthcare as an issue they cared
about 55% voted for Obama, 41% chose Romney. Voters who said
healthcare was their top issue voted 75% for Obama.

In general, the economy and the direction of the country were the top
issues for over 80% of voters. Healthcare was a main issue for 69% of
voters one percent less than Medicare. In terms of importance to
voters, healthcare beat out Medicaid, foreign policy, women’s health,
the middle class, and the political party of the candidates.

The evidence that voters want Obamacare to remain is clear. Whether
Republicans will stop their relentless efforts to repeal it is not
clear. Perhaps if they see there is no prize for repeal they may move
on to other issues like the economy. The next few weeks and months
will be telling.
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[Maxwell Barraza]

Real name Fwanklin. Fwanklin is a famous homo. Fwanklin's 15 seconds
of fame came at a Star Trek Convention when he embarrassed the
audience, embarrassed America, embarrassed humanity and embarrassed
Gene Roddenberry by asking why Star Trek didn't have any faggot
characters. Fwanklin, after many beatings, has become just another
cock-slapped usenet zoo monkey. Liars, once they have been exposed,

frequently revert to behavior most similar to a zoo monkey who sits in
the cage throwing feces at passersby but saying nothing of value.

Franklin Hummel - Age 57, born May 1953
18 Linwood St, Unit 3
Boston, Massachusetts 02119-1543
(617) 541-3834
E-mail: hum...@world.std.com
Possible Fag Butt-Buddy: Arnold D Thomas (Age 52)

Franklin Hummel - Supervisor
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[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 12:28:54 -0700 (PDT), "Tom Swift Sr."
<thomas.sw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Like McCain, Romney has NOT once been ahead since Obama vs.Romney has
>been polled.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gallup Tracking
8/21 - 8/27
Romney +1

ABC News/Wash Post
8/22 - 8/25
Romney +1

FOX News
8/19 - 8/21
Romney +1

Rasmussen Reports
8/8 - 8/10
Romney +2

Rasmussen Reports
7/29 - 7/31
Romney +3

CBS News/NY Times
7/11 - 7/16
Romney +1

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html#polls

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[Marcie Mcmillian]

On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 06:51:58 -0700 (PDT), "Tom Swift Sr."
<thomas.sw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>You *continue* to take Obama's speech out of context.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

take out of context:
English
Verb
take (something) out of context
1.(idiomatic, transitive) To report (something) without taking into
account the context in which it occurred.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/take_out_of_context

PG quoted EACH paragraph and IN THE ORDER that OBogus said
them..........

>Given this, the FULL text AND context of what our President said is
>below:
>http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/12/remarks-preside...
>
>In President Barack Obama's speeh, it is blatantly obvious he.........

He didn't call it a terrorist attack and YOU LIED..............

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!