McCain Camp Goes on Offense
AnAmericanCitizen
A 'truth squad' aims to blunt any political dirty tricks like the smears that hurt
his 2000 bid. Critics say he's too aggressive.
By Maeve Reston, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
January 17, 2008
SPARTANBURG, S.C. -- John McCain's Republican presidential run collapsed in South
Carolina eight years ago after what his campaign later acknowledged was a critical
mistake: hesitating before responding to false accusations that the candidate's wife
was a drug addict and that he fathered an illegitimate child.
With South Carolina again emerging as a pivotal battleground in McCain's campaign for
the presidency, his campaign is moving aggressively -- too aggressively, critics say
-- to make sure the Arizona senator doesn't fall victim to personal smears again.
The centerpiece of its strategy is a group that calls itself the "truth squad." It
was established this month to preempt or blunt any new political dirty tricks, such
as a recent mailing sent to several dozen South Carolina newspapers accusing McCain
of betraying fellow prisoners during the Vietnam War.
McCain's truth squad is headed by South Carolina Atty. Gen. Henry McMaster, state
Speaker of the House Bobby Harrell and state Adjutant General Stan Spears. Even as
the McCain campaign was preparing a mailer last week critical of former Massachusetts
Gov. Mitt Romney's record on abortion and taxes, McCain promised that his group would
swing back hard if it saw anything reminiscent of the 2000 attacks against him.
The squad's role was evident Wednesday when Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), a state
co-chairman for the McCain campaign, appeared at a McCain rally in Greenville, S.C.,
and told the crowd to watch for "some garbage in the mail out there and the phone."
He asked the veterans in the audience to "watch John's back."
At the next event, in Spartanburg, McMaster, another campaign co-chairman, said the
political season was beginning to look like "Halloween with a full moon" where
"people will do most anything."
"Don't pay attention to that stuff," he said.
McCain told reporters on his campaign bus that "scurrilous stuff" had started again,
referring to the mailing about his prisoner-of-war experience, among other things.
"We will not let it go this time," he said.
The effort riled, among others, the campaign of McCain rival Romney.
"It was very quiet until McCain's people revved it up," said J. Warren Tompkins, a
South Carolina consultant to the Romney campaign.
"To me," Tompkins said, "they're boxing ghosts, because nobody is really doing
anything."
An advisor to the Romney campaign also accused the McCain camp of hypocrisy, citing a
McCain mailing in South Carolina that the advisor said distorted Romney's record.
The McCain campaign also was taken to task by FactCheck.org, a nonpartisan website
run by the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania. Alluding
to McCain's campaign bus, it said, "McCain's 'Straight Talk Express' took a wrong
turn with this mailer."
McCain advisors say they are trying to protect their candidate from a repeat of the
tactics that badly hurt his bid in 2000.
Charles Black, a McCain advisor, said eight years ago the senator's campaign did not
realize how widespread the attacks were until it was too late. McCain, he said,
"didn't want to get down into the gutter with these guys. . . . He didn't want to
personally respond."
"By the time he did, all kinds of terrible smear things had gotten off," Black said.
This time, he said, "People know what happened in 2000 and they've heard these
leaders in the state warn them of this."
Black cited the automated phone calls to South Carolina residents Tuesday and
Wednesday that masqueraded as a polling effort but were an apparent ploy to push
Republican voters to vote for another major Republican candidate, former Arkansas
Gov. Mike Huckabee. The McCain campaign condemned the calls as "a massive
push-polling effort disparaging rivals" of Huckabee.
It attributed the calls to Common Sense Issues, a nonprofit political organization
based in Colorado Springs, Colo. Patrick Davis, executive director of the group, told
the Associated Press that Common Sense began its calls Tuesday and would complete
them today. The group has pledged to make 1 million phone calls in South Carolina
supporting Huckabee.
Huckabee, who has distanced himself from the group, said in a prepared statement that
his campaign "has nothing to do with push-polling and I wish they would stop. We
don't want this kind of campaigning because it violates the spirit of our campaign."
The McCain camp also responded forcefully to a flier from Vietnam Veterans Against
McCain. The flier showed a caricature of McCain with swollen jowls crouched in a
prison cell, and included scrawled messages including "AN ENORMOUS CRIME" and
"SONGBIRD."
The text accused McCain of breaking down while in captivity as a prisoner of war and
giving up information about U.S. military operations.
Reached at his home in Garnerville, N.Y., Gerard Kiley, the founder and sole member
of Vietnam Veterans Against McCain, said McCain "allows the media to call him a hero
when he's not."
Kiley, who said he was involved in a similar effort against the Democratic
presidential candidacy of John F. Kerry in 2004, added that he was not associated
with any of the current presidential contenders.
McCain's campaign arranged for Orson Swindle, a prisoner of war with McCain, to rebut
the attack.
In a statement, Swindle said, "The truth is, the North Vietnamese offered John McCain
early release, and he refused."
McCain "stood by his fellow POWs until the end -- even at the risk of his own life as
he was severely injured," Swindle said.
The political attacks in South Carolina were particularly ferocious in 2000, when
anonymous callers accused McCain's wife, Cindy, of "being a drug addict," he recalled
Wednesday.
Fliers and phone calls also insinuated that the McCains' daughter Bridget, whom they
adopted from Bangladesh, was an illegitimate "black baby."
The McCain campaign sent out a glossy mailer last week highlighting Bridget's
adoption from Mother Teresa's orphanage in Bangladesh in 1993.
The mailer, which touted McCain's record of "protecting the rights of the unborn,"
showed Cindy carrying the baby wrapped in blankets.
Some of Romney's aides called the McCain campaign's efforts hypocritical.
They said that, at the same time the McCain campaign was scolding Romney for "attack
ads," McCain's camp sent a South Carolina mailer claiming Romney "provided
taxpayer-funded abortions" in a state-subsidized health program.
As Romney's campaign pointed out, the state was required to pay for medically
necessary abortions by court order.
FactCheck.org said the claim was "unfair and misleading at best."
"The very day they were beating their chest with righteous indignation," the McCain
campaign was printing a hit piece, said Romney's South Carolina communications
director, Will Holley.
A McCain spokesman replied that Romney "has attacked John McCain with a barrage of
negative and misleading TV ads and mailers for months on end. We feel justified in
responding with the facts."
Scott H. Huffmon, a professor at South Carolina's Winthrop University in Rock Hill,
S.C., said the McCain campaign's overall approach to heading off potential personal
attacks appeared to be savvy.
"In any other part of the country this would seem like an overreaction, but to me it
seemed natural here," he said.
"Politics has always been personal and bare-knuckled in South Carolina. . . . In the
recent past, [McCain] suffered as bad or worse as anyone at the hands of the smear-
campaigners."
Huffmon said: "If people get a [misleading] flier under their windshield in this
election, they may have the context to kind of know the truth."
Times staff writers Michael Finnegan, Stuart Silverstein and Nona Yates contributed
to this report.
lora...@cs.com
wrote:
> A 'truth squad' aims to blunt any political dirty tricks like the smears that hurt
> his 2000 bid. Critics say he's too aggressive.
>
> By Maeve Reston, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
> January 17, 2008
>
> SPARTANBURG, S.C. -- John McCain's Republican presidential run collapsed in South
> Carolina eight years ago after what his campaign later acknowledged was a critical
> mistake: hesitating before responding to false accusations that the candidate's wife
> was a drug addict and that he fathered an illegitimate child.
Yeah yeah.. we know.. have seen it all before.. neocon clowns
attacking honest citizens.
Do you now admit it happens?
Patriot Games
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If a pro-amnesty Repubican runs for President against a pro-amnesty Democrat
then Amnesty will NOT EVEN BE AN ISSUE.
If a pro-amnesty Repubican runs for President against a pro-amnesty Democrat
then Amnesty is GUARANTEED.
We can't let that happen.
No spin.
No smear.
Just a simple fact.
Bjorn
We've been experiencing that fact for over seven years now.
Tani Jantsang©
"Bjorn" <was-walma...@postamerica.net> wrote in message
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Unfortunately, the South Carolinians - being AGAINST amnesty and wanting to
be rid of the illegals - are falling hook line and sinker and voting for
McCain - they just are NOT paying attention. I posted from Roy Beck just
before.
Christopher Helms
> be rid of the illegals - are falling hook line and sinker and voting for
> McCain - they just are NOT paying attention. I posted from Roy Beck just
> before.
George W McCain is also benefitting from the "Surge is working" lie
that the "liberal media" began agressively propagating just before the
primaries. He is not a maverick, he just plays one on TV.
Bjorn
Most people don't know anything but what floats through to them,
whatever lie is being told. My own mother and her friends, who have
many times railed about Illegal Aliens, worse than me in a way... They
are split between Hillary and Obama. My mother believed that George
Dubya Bush wants to fix the Illegals problem by getting them outta
here.
The reason the politicians tell such transparent lies about themselves
and their intentions is because most people will believe them
regardless. People just don't pay attention, they have gripes like we
do but their heads are surface-mounted.
On the Primaries, all that counts is who gets the number of locked
delegates that puts them over the top, not who wins this state or that
state. Don't buy what they say about S Carolina determining who will
be President. Before George Bush Sr was elected they said that no
sitting Vice Pres is ever elected Pres. Then the people preceeded to
elect him anyway. All that counts are the delegate numbers, not the
voodoo horseshit from media people.
Lets Roll
What - Juanita McAmnasty isn't offensive enough in his own right, so now he
has to pay people to publicize just how utterly offensive he truly is.
"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAm...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
>
Patriot Games
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Its true. They seem to have nearly split evenly between Hack
(evangelical-only) and McAmnesty (allegedly defense & foreign policy).
They weren't paying attention.
if Florida goes to Rudy then Super Tuesday will be a mess.
Florida:
McCain: 23.2%
Giuliani: 20.3%
Romney: 18.0%
Huckabee: 17.3%
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/florida-primary.html
Patriot Games
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>> Unfortunately, the South Carolinians - being AGAINST amnesty and wanting
>> to
>> be rid of the illegals - are falling hook line and sinker and voting for
>> McCain - they just are NOT paying attention. I posted from Roy Beck just
>> before.
>George W McCain is also benefitting from the "Surge is working" lie
The surged worked fine. You're a fool.
AnAmericanCitizen
An interesting point brought up on Fox was that most of the Florida absentee votes
have already been sent in so the caucus and primary in NV and SC respectively might
not be that influenced by the outcomes in those two spots.
You're in Florida, PG, what say you?.....AAC
dann
Bjorn <was-walma...@postamerica.net> wrote:
>>
>
>Most people don't know anything but what floats through to them,
>whatever lie is being told. My own mother and her friends, who have
>many times railed about Illegal Aliens, worse than me in a way... They
>are split between Hillary and Obama. My mother believed that George
>Dubya Bush wants to fix the Illegals problem by getting them outta
>here.
>
>The reason the politicians tell such transparent lies about themselves
>and their intentions is because most people will believe them
>regardless. People just don't pay attention, they have gripes like we
>do but their heads are surface-mounted.
>
My guess is that no more than 10-15% of the population has a clue
about immigration issues or much of anything else of importance.
The crooks who run the show know this and count on it. They
can hoodwink the average Joe and Jane into acting against they're
own best interests. That's democracy in an age of mass media
and dumbed down educational standards.
DeserTBoB
<Pat...@America.com> wrote:
>if Florida goes to Rudy then Super Tuesday will be a mess. <snip>
If Rootie Tootie gets it in Florida AND takes it after Tsunami Tuesday
(probably only by McCain and Romney both dropping dead) the GOP will
cease to exist as any sort of cohesive political party. The church
nutters will bolt the party in droves, as will what's left of the
"Goldwater wing" of the party now anchored with McCain. The
"Rockefeller wing" doesn't care about the party anymore anyway, as
they're too busy feeding their globalist greed. That'll leave the
trailer park survivalists, Usenet kOOks, the Moonies and tabloid
readers...some "party!"
Move over, Whigs!
By the way, your poll results aren't correct. Averaging of all
credible statewide polls (no, Faux News is NOT a credible polling
organization, due to deliberate spinning of numbers for years, and
neither is Zogby), McCain is now leading Giuiliani by around 7% of
"likely" voters. Of course, who's "likely" to vote in Flori-DUH is
always a quandry...most can't even figure out how to work a
Vote-A-Matic, as was proven in 2000.
"realclearpolitics.com"....<snicker>
You really need to graduate to "adult" sources of information.
Bjorn
Oh, we have huge percentage of people mad about immigration issues, up
in the 80+ percentile. People with other axes to grind could only wish
they had the numbers on their side that he do. But it doesn't always
play out as it should. These same people are just disconnected when it
comes to the candidates they support and elect, they believe whatever
they hear and see. And they have short memories. It's like the TV
generation, whatever is in front of them gets them excited and then
its gone and on to the next
Lets Roll
And don't you just know those same people are walking encyclopedias on
professional sports, can cite date, time, chapter and verse of any player
or play made over the last 40 years in any given sport.
Governor Swill
>>Most people don't know anything but what floats through to them,
>>whatever lie is being told. My own mother and her friends, who have
>>many times railed about Illegal Aliens, worse than me in a way... They
>>are split between Hillary and Obama. My mother believed that George
>>Dubya Bush wants to fix the Illegals problem by getting them outta
>>here.
I wouldn't want to say anything bad about anybody's mom so I think
I'll skip any further comment. :-) (hoping you take that in the spirit
in which it's intended"
>>The reason the politicians tell such transparent lies about themselves
>>and their intentions is because most people will believe them
>>regardless. People just don't pay attention, they have gripes like we
>>do but their heads are surface-mounted.
Surface-mounted? Hmm.... BWAHAHAHA! Good one, Centurion!
>My guess is that no more than 10-15% of the population has a clue
>about immigration issues or much of anything else of importance.
>The crooks who run the show know this and count on it. They
>can hoodwink the average Joe and Jane into acting against they're
>own best interests. That's democracy in an age of mass media
>and dumbed down educational standards.
I agree. The GOP co-option of values voters is the perfect example.
Divorced Hollywood actor Ronald Reagan made use of them to remove a
Southern Baptist sunday school teacher from office. Ever since then,
any politician who has supported personal liberties, reductions in
government power and/or expressing Christian compassion through
government action has been soundly quashed by the very religionists
you expect would be demanding personal freedom, governmental non
interference and government assistance for the unfortunate.
It's a twist in reality Rod Serling would have found too bizarre to
film . . .
Swill
Governor Swill
babble
>> Unfortunately, the South Carolinians - being AGAINST amnesty and wanting
>> to be rid of the illegals - are falling hook line and sinker and voting
>> for McCain - they just are NOT paying attention. I posted from Roy Beck
>> just before.
>
>Its true. They seem to have nearly split evenly between Hack
>(evangelical-only) and McAmnesty (allegedly defense & foreign policy).
>
>They weren't paying attention.
>
>if Florida goes to Rudy then Super Tuesday will be a mess.
>
>Florida:
>McCain: 23.2%
>Giuliani: 20.3%
>Romney: 18.0%
>Huckabee: 17.3%
>http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/florida-primary.html
It's looking more and more like a floor fight followed by a backroom
deal that won't be based on voter input.
Swill
Governor Swill
babble
The Pentagon announced last week that we now have achieved security
and control of 75% of Baghdad. Wait . . . another year of giving
Bush everything he wants for the war and the best measure of progress
the Pent can come up with is that we now control a majority of the
Capitol?
I suspect the Surge is working only to the degree that it has reduce
American casualties. In terms of achieving any sort of long term,
positive solution, it has failed utterly.
The Pentagon also announced this week that the supply of Iranian
weapons to terrorists operating in Iraq has dropped sharply.
Swill
Bjorn
It struck home when Arnold tried to get passed the economic reform
measures that the people supposedly elected him to carry out. They
were hot for it then. A year later they rejected the ballot
Propositions to do those very things they had elected him to do. They
did it because the state employee unions bought a bunch of TV
commercials and lied about what they were. They didn't stretch the
truth; they bald-faced lied. And all these voters who had luved the
Governator when he was running just duhhhhhhh... believed every one
the lies and rejected his entire program. All you need is a TV
commercial and most people will swallow it whole. That's why so many
of these politicians bank of the bribe money that buys campaign
commericals, rather than doing us right and counting on us to
reciprocate.
Now, the state is running face-first into a major financial disaster,
in part because of that rejection of Arnold's proposals. And of
course, they are already blaming him for this disaster many of them.
Most people, the majority of ordinary folk out there, are just fuckin
idiots basically.
lora...@cs.com
> his 2000 bid. Critics say he's too aggressive.
>
> By Maeve Reston, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
> January 17, 2008
>
> SPARTANBURG, S.C. -- John McCain's Republican presidential run collapsed in South
> Carolina eight years ago after what his campaign later acknowledged was a critical
> mistake: hesitating before responding to false accusations that the candidate's wife
> was a drug addict and that he fathered an illegitimate child.
>
> With South Carolina again emerging as a pivotal battleground in McCain's campaign for
> the presidency, his campaign is moving aggressively -- too aggressively, critics say
> -- to make sure the Arizona senator doesn't fall victim to personal smears again.
'Stink boat..so exciting and (un)new..
Come aboard now.. let the stink engulf you... '
Ok then, McCain is elected..
First comes continued quagmiration in Iraq and Afghanistan..
Then Iran..
Then North Vietnam for that unfinished bit of business.
..and all on that neocon credit card.
Romney would just send white-shirted missionaries.
'Hooter' Thompson would send wifey on a USO tour.
Huckabuck would send the fire of damnation.
Hillary would send regards from Israel.
Osama Obama would just do whatever Reagan would have done.
Patriot Games
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> "Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.com> used a stick in the sand to
> babble
>>"Christopher Helms" <Chrish...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:fc150c21-ee78-43df...@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Unfortunately, the South Carolinians - being AGAINST amnesty and
>>>> wanting
>>>> to
>>>> be rid of the illegals - are falling hook line and sinker and voting
>>>> for
>>>> McCain - they just are NOT paying attention. I posted from Roy Beck
>>>> just
>>>> before.
>>>George W McCain is also benefitting from the "Surge is working" lie
>>The surged worked fine. You're a fool.
> The Pentagon announced last week that we now have achieved security
> and control of 75% of Baghdad.
Cite?
> The Pentagon also announced this week that the supply of Iranian
> weapons to terrorists operating in Iraq has dropped sharply.
No, that's not what they announced.
Now go try again and come back promptly with what they actually did
announce. And don't forget to Quote and Cite.
Tom Sr.
> If a pro-amnesty Repubican runs for President
> against a pro-amnesty Democrat then Amnesty
> will NOT EVEN BE AN ISSUE.
> If a pro-amnesty Repubican runs for President against a pro-amnesty
> Democrat then Amnesty is GUARANTEED.
The name of your party is spelled "Republician", not "Repubican",
Patriot Games. Why am I not surprised you misspelled that.
So WHO are you going to vote for, PG? Hm.
McCain - favors immigration reform, "moderate" of the GOP candidates,
even though he wants to keep American troops in Iraq for another 100
years.
Giulian - pro-choice and pro-gay rights.
Romney - was pro-choice and pro-gay rights, major flip-flopped, hired
illegal aliens himself...and *Mormon*!
Ron Paul - Libertarian, not a conservative, especially not an
ultraconservative.
Huckabee - believes the Earth was created 6,000 years ago -- may pull
out of Florida because of lack of money (i.e. lack of support).
And your vote, Patriot Games, goes to...???
-Tom Sr.
Tom Sr.
> "Tani Jantsang©" <tjs...@spampost.com> wrote in message
> news:13p5b3s...@corp.supernews.com...
> > to be rid of the illegals - are falling hook line and sinker and voting
> > for McCain - they just are NOT paying attention. I posted from Roy Beck
> > just before.
> Its true. They seem to have nearly split evenly between Hack
> (evangelical-only) and McAmnesty (allegedly defense & foreign policy).
> They weren't paying attention.
HELL FREEZES OVER!!!
PATRIOT GAMES *AGREES* WITH SATANIC COMMUNIST, TANI JANTSANG!!!
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From: "Tani Jantsang" <tjs...@SPAMpost.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:43:26 GMT
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Subject: Re: the alt.satanism FAQ
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SATANIC REDS - SOCIAL REALISTS INFORMATION
www.geocities.com/satanicreds/ or http://satanicreds.says.it
see "Are you a Satanic Red?"
and
FAQ for the organization
*********************************************
Unity in the Adamantine Esoteric Tradition of the Boundless Darkness,
what
we call the Dark Tradition - Tani Jantsang
This, what we present in our organization and sell monographs on, is
an
Adamantine Doctrine said universally to have been The Doctrine of the
prior
world age, the 4th world age, the Satya Yuga. Some systems categorize
the
Yugas in another order. Pesh Hun transmitted it to the people in the
Kali
Yuga. Blavatsky was told some of this by someone in India, for sure.
But
she distorted the darker aspects of it. She distorted the Hindu
Creation
Hymn, which is similar to our "Darkness is One."
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SATANIC REDS ORGANIZATION:
Satanic Reds exists as an alternative to the "Satanism" that is so
tied up
with Judeo-Christianity. It is, in fact, a Left Hand Path
organization as
far as occult doctrines go. The doctrines are wholly outside of the
Christian world view. The concepts of becoming (xeper), an
intermediate
state between non-being and being that all things in the cosmos exist
in a
state of, i.e, all things are Becoming and Inner Will (thelema) are in
these
Doctrines, and always were from ancient times. But the wailing angst
of
people rebelling against their own Christian backgrounds is wholly
left
out - it's not in SR, it doesn't exist.
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Patriot Games
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:15:51 -0500, "Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.com>
> wrote:
Back in the 60s when most of America was pissing down their leg and hiding
under their bed we Floridians we living 90 miles from Communist Cuba. We
still are, and we don't hide. Per capita the South Atlantic states have
provided more military volunteers than any other region.
Several weeks ago Mitt was all over the TV, then up and quit.
Rudy has been all over TV for a couple of months. Very consistent.
Haven't seen a McAmnesty Ad yet...
Florida is a BIG state and we're very much a microcosm of America. Not
identical, but very similar. Northern FL equals the so-called Deep South.
Central FL is Retirement Central. South Florida East is Hispanic, Cuban,
old classic Florida. South Florida West is very old classic Florida plus
families of retirees of decades past.
Miami is mostly ethnic and not GOP, Tampa is largely active and retired
military and can go either way (sort of like McAmnesty). Orlando is
younger, more classic dark urban, very Liberal.
Most (real) Floridians are religious, quite conservative, extremely
pro-military. Most (real) Floridians consider ourselves and our state
almost like a separate country. We like the rest of you okay, not so much
really, but a little bit. We are intensely, maybe violently, protective of
OUR State and we'll NEVER let any of the rest of you think its any part
yours. Feel free to come here for two weeks, spend your money, shut your
mouth, then get the fuck out. Feel free to come here to die, spend your
money, do not dare pretend you are a Floridian, shut your mouth, and don't
out-live your money because we aren't gonna carry you.
Most (real) Floridians don't give a shit if you're a Democrat or a
Republican or whatever. If we come first to you then you come first to us.
Call yourself anydamnedname you want.
Most transplants are older Northeastern classic Democrats (JFK, HHH,
Lieberman, etc.) and that's why we're a Red State because most older classic
Democrats are NOT Socialists.
So...
We don't have a state income tax here in Florida (yet). Mitt's advisors are
FOOLS for NOT emphasizing the COST of Criminal Amnesty. If he doesn't
IMMEDIATELY focus on that he'll lose to McAmnesty. ps for Mitt: We
invented and pioneered Concealed Carry, which most of the Nation now enjoys.
You have disrespected it (and us) by ignoring that. You need to wise up -
FAST - because we're used to forgeting folks after their scheduled two
weeks.
Important Note to Hack: a) We only recently decommissioned Old Sparky, your
pardons aren't gonna sell well here. b) Religion is personal and private.
We're glad you got some, but keep it to yourself. c) You failed to spend a
bunch of money here. Big mistake. Bye-bye.
Rudy. Rudy, Rudy, Rudy... WTF? Rudy, looking back, how smart was it to
spend all that time here IGNORING REAL FLORIDIANS!?!?!? Thanks for spending
a bunch of money here, now maybe try to get our actual attention?
McAmnesty is a practiced liar and as a RINO is getting attention from a lot
of Centrists who are really disinterested classic Dems and classic GOP.
Since Ruy is impotent here and Mitt quit it looks like McAmnesty will win.
Hitlary: 48.8%
Buckwheat: 29.8%
Hitlary is afraid of Florida. Nobody knows why. But the northeastern
blue-hair Dems will vote for her out of habit.
Buckwheat is afraid of Florida. Everybody knows why. Those numbers (29.8%)
are probably accurate. He could win Florida if he wanted to.
Clarifying emendation re Old Sparky. A one-foot blue flame did not shoot
out of it during an execution in the late 90s. A two-foot mostly hissing
blue flame shot out of the convict's left eye hole because God loves Florida
and hates murderers!
YeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeHAW!
Patriot Games
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> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:15:51 -0500, "Patriot Games"
> <Pat...@America.com> wrote:
>>if Florida goes to Rudy then Super Tuesday will be a mess. <snip>
You're a proven LIAR, you really need to just go away.
"DeserTrannyBoB" <des...@rglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Per CNN, Huckabee has said, "If they
> want to fly the confederate flag, I'll tell 'em where to stick the
> pole."
Oops! "DeserTBoB" CAUGHT LYING!
CNN said: "You don't like people from outside the state telling you what to
do with your flag," he told an audience in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. "In
fact, if somebody came to Arkansas and told us what to do with our flag,
we'd tell them where to put the pole."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/17/election08.gop/index.html?iref=newssearch
"You don't want people from outside the state coming in and telling you what
to do with your flag," Huckabee told an audience in Myrtle Beach. "If
somebody came to Arkansas and told us what to do with our flag, we'd tell
'em what to do with the pole."
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/01/18/huckabee_confederate_flag_state_issue/9884/
Patriot Games
An actual tie is probably realistically impossible. I expect there to be an
actual winner.
But ignoring the strong second place finisher could cause problems.
Governor Swill
babble
>pro-military. Most (real) Floridians consider ourselves and our state
>almost like a separate country. We like the rest of you okay, not so much
>really, but a little bit.
You certainly like our money.
Swill
Governor Swill
babble
>> It's looking more and more like a floor fight followed by a backroom
>> deal that won't be based on voter input.
>
>An actual tie is probably realistically impossible. I expect there to be an
>actual winner.
>
>But ignoring the strong second place finisher could cause problems.
I didn't say anything about a tie. I'm talking about nobody hitting
the magic number and needing extra delegates to win.
Swill
Tom Sr.
> babble:
> >Most (real) Floridians are religious, quite conservative, extremely
> >pro-military.
And yet, last week, you were repeatedly denying Florida IS a Red
State, PG.
What a fucking liar you are. But then sane Usenet readers knew that
already.
-Tom Sr.
Patriot Games
Youbetcha! We like money. We like money a lot.
And we like a lotta money!
Money doesn't know who it used to belong to.
Patriot Games
The guy with the most delegates wins....
And that guy gets the biggest say in What the GOP stands for.
And the biggest issue is Amnesty.
The GOP will (or will not) Officially be the Party of Amnesty for Criminals
based on who wins the Nomination.
That's no small thing.
lora...@cs.com
wrote:
> A 'truth squad' aims to blunt any political dirty tricks like the smears that hurt
> his 2000 bid. Critics say he's too aggressive.
McCain is just plain c r a z a y.. fighting imaginary terrorists while
the economic husk of a neocon parasitized America collapses around his
ears.
He says that America's economy is basically 'sound'....(as more jobs
and wealth flood out of the US)
His supporters are pleased... he seems such a nice traditional moron.
Patriot Games
news:0598b8ea-8e9d-4756...@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 18, 6:07 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
>> If a pro-amnesty Repubican runs for President
>> against a pro-amnesty Democrat then Amnesty
>> will NOT EVEN BE AN ISSUE.
>> If a pro-amnesty Repubican runs for President against a pro-amnesty
>> Democrat then Amnesty is GUARANTEED.
> The name of your party is spelled "Republician", not "Repubican",
> Patriot Games. Why am I not surprised you misspelled that.
> So WHO are you going to vote for, PG? Hm.
> McCain - favors immigration reform, "moderate" of the GOP candidates,
> even though he wants to keep American troops in Iraq for another 100
> years.
I'm NOT voting for McAmnesty. Period. No exceptions. That ain't
happenning.
> Giulian - pro-choice and pro-gay rights.
> Romney - was pro-choice and pro-gay rights, major flip-flopped, hired
> illegal aliens himself...and *Mormon*!
Either one. I prefer Mitt but if Rudy is the GOP candidate I can live with
it.
> Ron Paul - Libertarian, not a conservative, especially not an
> ultraconservative.
He's not a factor. He's just a sorry old fool. He's probably a nice guy
for all I know but he's from the Planet Tard!
He was on TV today saying we need to encourage SAVINGS.
Time out! We are currently holding the LARGEST consumer credit debt of all
time. We are currently seeing the LARGEST increase in late payments and
missed payments. Even for the people NOT having consumer credit issues its
THREE WEEKS after Christmas and MOST NORMAL people want to pay off THAT
debt.
If you give these people CASH MONEY they WILL NOT put it in SAVINGS....
Hheelloooo.... Attention Planet Tard!
Some of these people, who have already said "Fuck it" because their credit
is already fucked will blow the cash on who knows or cares what. That's
good for the economy.
NOBODY will save it.
> Huckabee - believes the Earth was created 6,000 years ago -- may pull
> out of Florida because of lack of money (i.e. lack of support).
He won't be a factor. If he maintains a standing around 20% he will be a
factor in both national and party politics however.
> And your vote, Patriot Games, goes to...???
If McAmnesty is the GOP candidate I'm voting for YOU. I'm going to write
your name in!
You will then be IMMORTALIZED.
500 years from now some historian will be looking over the actual official
voting register and see a write-in for "Tom Sr." and say "Who the fuck is
that?"
AnAmericanCitizen
The New York Times endorsed him tonight .... that should be the kiss of death for
him....AAC
Bjorn
He is a Geraldo Rivera Republican. In this last debate he said if he
won he would get his economics advice from Jack Kemp. Jack Kemp is the
most disgusting Illegals-loving RINO out there, bar none, I think Kemp
he would actually felate male Illegal Aliens just to get it out of his
system.
McCain is the most electable liberal running <g>. Every scared
Democrat supports him. In truth, they secretly wish he was a Democrat
so they could run him instead of Hillary.
AnAmericanCitizen
"Senator McCain, we know about your POW heroism. Now, as a
Republican primary voter, I'd like to hear some straight talk
on domestic issues. I want to hear you talk about your record on
immigration, free speech, Gitmo, global warming, and opposition
to tax cuts. Talk about how proud you are of leading the Gang of 14
and your alliance with Kennedy, Edwards, Lieberman." ....Rush Limbaugh
Governor Swill
babble
>based on who wins the Nomination.
Well, it certainly has been since Reagan was President.
Swill
Governor Swill
babble
>> ultraconservative.
>
>He's not a factor. He's just a sorry old fool. He's probably a nice guy
>for all I know but he's from the Planet Tard!
>
>He was on TV today saying we need to encourage SAVINGS.
Nothing wrong with that. It would certainly increase the supply of
cash for investment. Clinton wants to exempt simple savings account
interest from taxation much like tax exempt retirement funds. Too bad
she'll have to pay for that by hiking cap gains taxes.
Swill
Governor Swill
to babble
>He is a Geraldo Rivera Republican. In this last debate he said if he
>won he would get his economics advice from Jack Kemp. Jack Kemp is the
>most disgusting Illegals-loving RINO out there, bar none, I think Kemp
>he would actually felate male Illegal Aliens just to get it out of his
>system.
>
>McCain is the most electable liberal running <g>. Every scared
>Democrat supports him. In truth, they secretly wish he was a Democrat
>so they could run him instead of Hillary.
I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. Did in the Texas primary in 2000.
He's the most honest of the candidates running. Nobody in either
party can match him for integrity. Too bad Americans don't like
honest politicians.
Swill
Bjorn
He honestly supports things that are anathema to Conservatives. He is
an OEM replacement part for Dubya Bush.
last...@rogers.com
> "Senator McCain, we know about your POW heroism. Now, as a
> Republican primary voter, I'd like to hear some straight talk
> on domestic issues. I want to hear you talk about your record on
> immigration, free speech, Gitmo, global warming, and opposition
> to tax cuts. Talk about how proud you are of leading the Gang of 14
> and your alliance with Kennedy, Edwards, Lieberman." ....Rush Limbaugh
>
> >On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:47:22 -0800, AnAmericanCitizen
>
> >>On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:22:15 -0800 (PST), lorad...@cs.com wrote:
>
> >>>On Jan 17, 10:05 pm, AnAmericanCitizen <NoAmne...@earthlink.net>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>> A 'truth squad' aims to blunt any political dirty tricks like the smears that hurt
> >>>> his 2000 bid. Critics say he's too aggressive.
>
> >>>McCain is just plain c r a z a y.. fighting imaginary terrorists while
> >>>the economic husk of a neocon parasitized America collapses around his
> >>>ears.
>
> >>>He says that America's economy is basically 'sound'....(as more jobs
> >>>and wealth flood out of the US)
>
> >>>His supporters are pleased... he seems such a nice traditional moron.
>
> >>The New York Times endorsed him tonight .... that should be the kiss of death for
> >>him....AAC
>
> >He is a Geraldo Rivera Republican. In this last debate he said if he
> >won he would get his economics advice from Jack Kemp. Jack Kemp is the
> >most disgusting Illegals-loving RINO out there, bar none, I think Kemp
> >he would actually felate male Illegal Aliens just to get it out of his
> >system.
>
> >McCain is the most electable liberal running <g>. Every scared
> >Democrat supports him. In truth, they secretly wish he was a Democrat
> >so they could run him instead of Hillary.
## ROFLMAO
I forecast months ago that he was/is not electable
neither is anyone on the Demo-fascist slate.
AnAmericanCitizen
Surely you jest. He was just caught in a big lie during this week's debate. He's
flip flopped on a number of issues. Now claims the bill he wrote with Kennedy wasn't
amnesty (but they would have all qualified for citizenship). He's one of the party's
best examples of a RINO. He's a liberal, he votes with the liberals and is sooo
proud of his liberal gang of fourteen.
As you're no doubt a liberal, Swill, I can see why you like him....AAC
AnAmericanCitizen
You said it so much better than I did, Bjorn, and with less than half the
words....AAC
Governor Swill
>an OEM replacement part for Dubya Bush.
You'd rather have President Hillary? McCain is the leading GOP
candidate most likely to defeat her in November.
Better a Rino than Hillary, eh?
Swill
Bjorn
Better neither, Swill.
And no, I don't think that political submariners, politicians whose
character is equivalent to a TV Preacher doing meth in motel rooms
with a prostitute, I don't think such individuals are better. If I'm
going to have an anti-american elitist I'd rather have someone whom
you're free to criticize as such, someone who openly presents themself
as a member of the opposition.
Only a partisan lib would want a RINO for Republican voters. Still
believe you're fooling anyone other than yerself, Swill? What a tool.
Governor Swill
>>candidate most likely to defeat her in November.
>>
>>Better a Rino than Hillary, eh?
>>
>>Swill
>
>Better neither, Swill.
You don't have much choice. I don't think Romney can carry the
southern states and getting a Republican elected without them is not
very likely. Whether you think so or not, the middle does the
electing and the middle has gotten tired of faith based politics and
mud flinging. You may not like McCain, but of the GOP nominates
anybody else in September they might as well start right there and
then to plan for 2012 because they'll lose to the Democrats in 2008.
>And no, I don't think that political submariners, politicians whose
>character is equivalent to a TV Preacher doing meth in motel rooms
>with a prostitute, I don't think such individuals are better. If I'm
>going to have an anti-american elitist I'd rather have someone whom
>you're free to criticize as such, someone who openly presents themself
>as a member of the opposition.
That would be Edwards. There's not one other candidate speaking out
so clearly against the established way of doing things except for Ron
Paul who we all know isn't really a viable candidate.
Not that Edwards is electable either. He has the experienced and well
oiled Clinton machine to fight and another change candidate who
doesn't even have to campaign on change. He has only to show off his
tan.
>Only a partisan lib would want a RINO for Republican voters.
False. I'm a moderate. Partisan libs don't want a Republican of ANY
kind for President. I'll be watching the congressional races down to
the wire. Unless it looks like the GOP will regain control of one or
both Houses, I'll be voting for a Democrat this time no matter who it
is. But if it looks like the Dems will retain or increase their hold
on Congress, I'll vote for the GOP candidate but only if that
candidate is McCain.
> Still believe you're fooling anyone other than yerself, Swill?
Not fooling anybody. Watch the voting and this time next year,
remember what you've said this year.
> What a tool.
*shrug* Whine all you like. Be as partisan as you like. In the end
it won't matter. The People have seen what partisan politics have
done to this country. We've noted how the lies of both sides, lately
more on the GOP side have created false impressions and led to errors
in judgement at the ballot box. The vast, non aligned middle that has
been steadily growing for forty years will make fools of both parties.
Swill
Bjorn
<governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Bjorn <was-walma...@postamerica.net> used a stick in the sand
>to babble
>>>You'd rather have President Hillary? McCain is the leading GOP
>>>candidate most likely to defeat her in November.
>>>
>>>Better a Rino than Hillary, eh?
>>>
>>>Swill
>>
>>Better neither, Swill.
>
>You don't have much choice. I don't think Romney can carry the
>southern states and getting a Republican elected without them is not
>very likely. Whether you think so or not, the middle does the
>electing and the middle has gotten tired of faith based politics and
>mud flinging. You may not like McCain, but of the GOP nominates
>anybody else in September they might as well start right there and
>then to plan for 2012 because they'll lose to the Democrats in 2008.
I think precisely the opposite. If they nominate a liberal in
Republican clothing, they more-likely lose. Trying to out-Democrat the
Democrats, or out-Republican the Republicans, usually makes a loser.
That is just a tried & true fact of two-party politics. But they
retake that path regularly because it's a big electorate, almost
evenly split between libs and conservatives and swings. They read the
numbers and talk themselves into chasing the margins. They lose their
Principles and make weasel-talk pleasing no one very much, and then
they lose their election. Unless the electorate is mortified of a win
by one of the parties' candidate. 2002, a glaring example. That has
been the Democrat problem for many many years, apart from a certain
convincing Democrat named Clinton, who then turned out to be the
biggest liar of all of them.
And ignoring the fact that the Dems are going to run either a Negro or
a Woman with a history as a liberal feminist, bringing back a grating,
impeached President who'd like to live in the White House again, well,
have a sweet goodnight.
One look at Obama's Kenyan family with their African Muslim beanies
and it will be over, he can say "change" all he fucking likes, but
young boobs don't vote, it's too much bother, doesn't play to their
hormones. That is a fact as well.
You libs want McCain, or Huckabee a month ago, because you want an
flake if you must have a Republican, someone who'll instinctively get
on the Left of the Democrats when they give him a hard time. Basic
stuff, transparent.
Governor Swill
>Republican clothing, they more-likely lose. Trying to out-Democrat the
>Democrats, or out-Republican the Republicans, usually makes a loser.
Yet this is what happened in the last two elections. Clinton turned
out to not be sucha bleeding heart liberal after all and Bush is no
conservative.
Note that every time the Dems have run a dyed in the wool liberal
lately, they've lost the general election. Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry .
. .
>That is just a tried & true fact of two-party politics. But they
>retake that path regularly because it's a big electorate, almost
>evenly split between libs and conservatives and swings. They read the
>numbers and talk themselves into chasing the margins. They lose their
>Principles and make weasel-talk pleasing no one very much, and then
>they lose their election. Unless the electorate is mortified of a win
>by one of the parties' candidate. 2002, a glaring example. That has
>been the Democrat problem for many many years, apart from a certain
>convincing Democrat named Clinton, who then turned out to be the
>biggest liar of all of them.
Part of his success. Clinton was a very good liar. Like Reagan, he
could create realities, alter perceptions and like Reagan, he was
wildly popular and successful. Bush is a lousy liar and it shows.
>And ignoring the fact that the Dems are going to run either a Negro or
>a Woman with a history as a liberal feminist, bringing back a grating,
>impeached President who'd like to live in the White House again, well,
>have a sweet goodnight.
>
>One look at Obama's Kenyan family with their African Muslim beanies
>and it will be over, he can say "change" all he fucking likes, but
>young boobs don't vote, it's too much bother, doesn't play to their
>hormones. That is a fact as well.
>
>You libs want McCain, or Huckabee a month ago, because you want an
>flake if you must have a Republican, someone who'll instinctively get
>on the Left of the Democrats when they give him a hard time. Basic
>stuff, transparent.
I'm not a lib and I don't want one in office, I want a moderate who
can navigate between the right and left, taking from each their best
ideas and using them to greatest effect.
Swill
Patriot Games
> "Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.com> used a stick in the sand to
> babble
>>> Ron Paul - Libertarian, not a conservative, especially not an
>>> ultraconservative.
>>He's not a factor. He's just a sorry old fool. He's probably a nice guy
>>for all I know but he's from the Planet Tard!
>>He was on TV today saying we need to encourage SAVINGS.
> Nothing wrong with that. It would certainly increase the supply of
> cash for investment.
We could become energy independent by riding horses to work too.
> Clinton wants to exempt simple savings account
> interest from taxation much like tax exempt retirement funds. Too bad
> she'll have to pay for that by hiking cap gains taxes.
Sounds like an excuse to hike cap gains taxes.
Bjorn
<governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Bjorn <was-walma...@postamerica.net> used a stick in the sand
>to babble
>>I think precisely the opposite. If they nominate a liberal in
>>Republican clothing, they more-likely lose. Trying to out-Democrat the
>>Democrats, or out-Republican the Republicans, usually makes a loser.
>
>Yet this is what happened in the last two elections. Clinton turned
>out to not be sucha bleeding heart liberal after all and Bush is no
>conservative.
No, that did not happen, that isn't what I said. I said that if a Rep
tries to out-Democrat the Democrats to win an election, and vice
versa, the candidate usually loses. The people you bring up there did
not run on that basis. Bush talked as if he were a Conservative, more
or less, when he could even get a clear sentence out of his mouth.
After his win he pulled a Tranny Surprise on Conservatives. Clinton
posed as a traditional Democrat, JFK and so on.
>
>Note that every time the Dems have run a dyed in the wool liberal
>lately, they've lost the general election. Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry .
That is addressed in the following, about the mortified electorate. It
is the reason Kerry lost to Bush, who was very-much hated by
Conservatives by that time.
It is indeed the aim that matters. And your aim is quite obviously
toward what is a liberal reality. I Hate (give that a capital 'H'), I
Hate the smarmy, racist, self-loathing, anti-americanism of liberals.
"Moderate" It is quite often the pose of scoundrels who have not the
character to stand behind what they are really about, they want
unearned credibility via the pretention of being something else.
Moderate, in today's America, is another word for Unprincipled.
Moderation is not what's needed, there is little at this time we want
to preserve through political moderation.
>
>Swill
Governor Swill
babble
>> cash for investment.
>
>We could become energy independent by riding horses to work too.
Actually, that would cost more. Horses are more expensive to keep
than cars.
>> Clinton wants to exempt simple savings account
>> interest from taxation much like tax exempt retirement funds. Too bad
>> she'll have to pay for that by hiking cap gains taxes.
>
>Sounds like an excuse to hike cap gains taxes.
No reason to increase them. Just tax them at the same rate as regular
wages. Taxing wages at a higher rate is a tax on productivity. The
essence of flat taxation is to remove taxation of productivity and
shift it to consumption.
Swill
Governor Swill
>>out to not be sucha bleeding heart liberal after all and Bush is no
>>conservative.
>
>No, that did not happen, that isn't what I said. I said that if a Rep
>tries to out-Democrat the Democrats to win an election, and vice
>versa, the candidate usually loses. The people you bring up there did
>not run on that basis. Bush talked as if he were a Conservative, more
>or less, when he could even get a clear sentence out of his mouth.
>After his win he pulled a Tranny Surprise on Conservatives. Clinton
>posed as a traditional Democrat, JFK and so on.
Even during his campaign Clinton embraced some conservative ideas.
Unlike the more extreme lib Dem candidates who came before him. Even
during his first term he supported many conservative projects. I
can't say this was deliberate, but letting Hillary attempt health care
reform (that he may well have realized couldn't pass) kept that
particular liberal idea from sticking to him. To this day,
Republicans blame Hillary, not Bill for "Hillarycare". Very clever
man, Bill was.
Swill
Governor Swill
>toward what is a liberal reality. I Hate (give that a capital 'H'), I
>Hate the smarmy, racist, self-loathing, anti-americanism of liberals.
>"Moderate" It is quite often the pose of scoundrels who have not the
>character to stand behind what they are really about, they want
>unearned credibility via the pretention of being something else.
>Moderate, in today's America, is another word for Unprincipled.
>Moderation is not what's needed, there is little at this time we want
>to preserve through political moderation.
*shakes head sadly*
I still don't understand how rightists can accept that there are
leftists and vice versa, but neither can accept that there can be
centrists. This is especially true since it's the center, not left or
right, which does the electing.
Swill
Patriot Games
> "Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.com> used a stick in the sand to
> babble
>>> Nothing wrong with that. It would certainly increase the supply of
>>> cash for investment.
>>We could become energy independent by riding horses to work too.
> Actually, that would cost more. Horses are more expensive to keep
> than cars.
>>> Clinton wants to exempt simple savings account
>>> interest from taxation much like tax exempt retirement funds. Too bad
>>> she'll have to pay for that by hiking cap gains taxes.
>>Sounds like an excuse to hike cap gains taxes.
> No reason to increase them. Just tax them at the same rate as regular
> wages.
An increase is an increase.
We already have very high consumer credit debt and we've recently seen late
and missed payments increase. What savings? There's very little cash in
people's savings accounts so there's no federal revenue potential there.
Tom Sr.
> "Tom Sr." <tomswif...@gmail.com> wrote ---
> > So WHO are you going to vote for, PG? Hm.
> > McCain - favors immigration reform, "moderate" of the GOP candidates,
> > even though he wants to keep American troops in Iraq for another 100
> > years.
> I'm NOT voting for McAmnesty. Period. No exceptions. That ain't
> happenning.
Oh, poor, pitiful PG, McCain won the all-or-nothing GOP primary in
your home state of Florida. He gets all of your state's party
delegates!
It must suck badly to be rejected by your fellow Republicans.
> > And your vote, Patriot Games, goes to...???
> -
> If McAmnesty is the GOP candidate I'm voting for YOU. I'm going to write
> your name in!
Get ready to write the name "Tom Swift Sr." come November 2008 on your
voting ballot, PG.
> You will then be IMMORTALIZED.
Already am.
> 500 years from now some historian will be looking over the actual official
> voting register and see a write-in for "Tom Sr." and say "Who the fuck is
> that?"
That's okay. A lot of my personal papers are already stored at Brown
University in Rhode Island; they can read about me there.
I'm saving your original post to remind you coming election day later
this year, Patriot Games. You can be SURE I am NOT going to let you
forget THIS promise!
-Tom Sr.
Joe S.
Already am.
-Tom Sr.
-----------------------------------------------
PG is in my killfile -- I can read Newsmax without his dumbass headlines.
But -- ol' PG must be gasping for breath -- McCain is running ahead; PG's
favorite Freddie Dalton Thompson was this year's Edsel; Rudy never had a
chance; Huckabee will be the next to go; and, Democrats are outpolling
Republicans by huge majorities.
Tom Sr.
> "Tom Sr." <tomswif...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> I'm saving your original post to remind you coming election day later
> this year, Patriot Games. You can be SURE I am NOT going to let you
> forget THIS promise!
> -Tom Sr.
> -----------------------------------------------
> -
> PG is in my killfile -- I can read Newsmax without his dumbass headlines.
Alas, Google Groups does not have killfiles.
However, I was honored, when after 12+ months of PG's posts to me
going to alt.stupidity, he finally learned to use a killfile and I was
the very! first! person he killfiled!
> But -- ol' PG must be gasping for breath -- McCain is running ahead; PG's
> favorite Freddie Dalton Thompson was this year's Edsel; Rudy never had a
> chance; Huckabee will be the next to go; and, Democrats are outpolling
> Republicans by huge majorities.
Oh, I am sure PG is still in some totally delusional state right now,
thinking Thompson will be McCain's VP choice or some other psychotic
belief like that -- and McCain can die in office so Freddy will be
Prez.
PG will still be like that the day after a Democratic is sworn in as
President in January 2009. At the point, he'll likely start talking
about his guns.
-Tom Sr.
Patriot Games
On Jan 30, 7:23 am, "Joe S." <no...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>However, I was honored, when after 12+ months of PG's posts to me
>going to alt.stupidity, he finally learned to use a killfile and I was
>the very! first! person he killfiled!
A clarification. Exactly ONE post to you went to alt-stupidity. You didn't
see any of them because there weren't any because you were kill-filed.
I recently unKill-Filed my list to see what's going on...
Nebuchadnezzar II
news:47a09a76$0$29957$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
Why bother shit listing him in the first place?
Jebus H. Christmas you are one dumb fucker.
Governor Swill
babble
>> wages.
>
>An increase is an increase.
>
>We already have very high consumer credit debt and we've recently seen late
>and missed payments increase. What savings? There's very little cash in
>people's savings accounts so there's no federal revenue potential there.
That's as lame a response as you've ever posted. People with
significant and regular cap gains income aren't cash short like a
working family with only regular income.
Why not charge the same rate for cap gains as for wages? Isn't that a
fair tax? Doesn't that simplify the tax code and make taxation
flatter? Even better, it increases revenues while ending tax
discrimination.
Swill
Tom Sr.
wrote:
> "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote in message
> news:47a09a76$0$29957$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
> > "Tom Sr." <tomswif...@gmail.com> wrote --
> >>However, I was honored, when after 12+ months of PG's posts to me
> >>going to alt.stupidity, he finally learned to use a killfile and I was
> >>the very! first! person he killfiled!
> > A clarification. Exactly ONE post to you went to alt-stupidity. You
> > didn't see any of them because there weren't any because you were
> > kill-filed.
You lie, Patriot Games.
86 posts to alt.stupidity under your original Google Groups account:
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10 posts to alt.stupidity under your current Google Groups account:
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ALSO:
26 posts to alt.usenet.kooks under your original Google Groups
account:
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&num=30&q=group%3Aalt.usenet.kooks&safe=off&enc_author=EliQPhcAAADU2Bi3GNSvjPkXz4--xXQMatZc1V3Nc280dLHqonrV6A
1 post to alt.usenet.kooks under your current Google Groups account:
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10 posts to alt.test under your current Google Groups account:
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* TOTAL: 133 posts *
> > I recently unKill-Filed my list to see what's going on...
And, once again, I am humiliating you when I bother to reply to your
posts, PG, this time, now, by proving once again you are a liar.
> Why bother shit listing him in the first place?
> Jebus H. Christmas you are one dumb fucker.
Because when PG started posting much more regularly in late 2006, I
was usually there to show what a bigot and a fool he was in my
posts.
Just as I showed what a liar he is in *this* post, I constantly showed
how stupid and delusional he was over and over again. Meanwhile, his
replies to me were disappearing into the Usenet newsgroup wasteland,
showing he didn't even understand *Usenet*.
PG has since taken to posting lies about my personal life, twisting,
distorting, and creating falsehoods about myself and events in my
life.
Of course, the sane readers of and posters to Usenet know far better
than to believe anything he has to say, especially when it comes to
personal attacks. His entire world-view is delusional, built on a
politics of Neo-Nazism, which he himself fails to recognize. And
after all, this is a supposedly "heterosexual" man who is obsessed
with male homosexuals and man-to-man sex as can be seen is so very
many of his posts.
But, the truth is simple, I think. Like most things in his Life, from
people of different races, to gay people, to progressives, to other
cultures and religions, Patriot Games is AFRAID. His bitter and vile
and seemingly endlessly hate shows his irrational and psychotic fear
of others and himself as well.
I was the first person Patriot Games killfiled because he wasa nd
still is afraid of me.
He will, of course, deny this, lacking the self-awareness and the
courage to see his own fears.
-Tom Sr.
Patriot Games
> "Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.com> used a stick in the sand to
> babble
>>> No reason to increase them. Just tax them at the same rate as regular
>>> wages.
>>An increase is an increase.
>>We already have very high consumer credit debt and we've recently seen
>>late
>>and missed payments increase. What savings? There's very little cash in
>>people's savings accounts so there's no federal revenue potential there.
> That's as lame a response as you've ever posted. People with
> significant and regular cap gains income aren't cash short like a
> working family with only regular income.
But there are MANY FEWER of them....
> Why not charge the same rate for cap gains as for wages? Isn't that a
> fair tax?
Actually that would be a Flat Tax. X% for ALL income, regarless of source.
I have NO problem with that.
> Doesn't that simplify the tax code and make taxation
> flatter? Even better, it increases revenues while ending tax
> discrimination.
That's the Flat Tax in a nutshell!
Patriot Games
news:DQ9oj.7198$ZO5.4802@trnddc03...
Originally because he was Stalking me. He would post a blank-body Reply to
every single post of mine which made a mess of my "xx Unread Messages"
counter.
I bet you thought putting "alt.stupidity" in the newsgroup was clever...
hahahahah!!!!
Tom Sr.
> "Nebuchadnezzar II" <nebuchadnez...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> news:DQ9oj.7198$ZO5.4802@trnddc03...
> > Why bother shit listing him in the first place?
> Originally because he was Stalking me.
As I said, PG is delusional. He considers contradiction and
correction to be "Stalking" -- with a capital "S"!
> He would post a blank-body Reply to
> every single post of mine which made a mess of my "xx Unread Messages"
> counter.
I was changing his incredible racist and homophobic subject headings
to reflect Patriot Games' true nature. (For example, his using the
term "nigger" *three* times in *one* subject heading!) Notice PG
omitted that fact.
> I bet you thought putting "alt.stupidity" in the newsgroup was clever...
> hahahahah!!!!
You've fallen for that, PG, along with posting to .test and
usenet.kooks 133 times.
Notice also Patriot Games has NOT replied to my post here where I
proved his recent claim that he did so only "1 time" was another
blatant lie by him.
-Tom Sr.
Governor Swill
babble
>> significant and regular cap gains income aren't cash short like a
>> working family with only regular income.
>
>But there are MANY FEWER of them....
>
>> Why not charge the same rate for cap gains as for wages? Isn't that a
>> fair tax?
>
>Actually that would be a Flat Tax. X% for ALL income, regarless of source.
>
>I have NO problem with that.
>
>> Doesn't that simplify the tax code and make taxation
>> flatter? Even better, it increases revenues while ending tax
>> discrimination.
>
>That's the Flat Tax in a nutshell!
Works for me. X%, off the top, no exemptions or deductions for
individuals or businesses.
Swill