Even Corporate Media Giant NBC Questioning if "Panama John" McCain Eligible to be Prez
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
Why can't the idiot repubs just nominate someone else and avoid this whole
mess?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23415028/
McCain's citizenship called into question
Candidate, born in Panama Canal Zone, may not qualify as 'natural born'
updated 5:21 p.m. MT, Fri., Feb. 29, 2008
Pete Williams - Justice correspondent
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Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and his advisers are doing their best to brush
aside questions — raised in the liberal blogosphere — about whether he is
qualified under the Constitution to be president. But many legal scholars
and government lawyers say it's a serious question with no clear answer.
The problem arises from a phrase in the Constitution setting out who is
eligible to be president. Article II, which also specifies that a person
must be at least 35 years old, says "No person except a natural born
Citizen" can be president.
Sen. McCain is undoubtedly a citizen. He was born on Aug. 29, 1936, in the
Panama Canal Zone, and Congress has specifically provided that anyone born
there of U.S. parents, as he was, is a citizen. Indeed, the general rule
is that anyone born of U.S. parents outside the United States is a citizen.
But is John McCain a natural born citizen? The Constitution does not define
the term further, and legal scholars say the notes of the Constitution's
drafters shed little light on what they meant. It seems clear only that the
founders wanted to make certain that whoever was president would be loyal
to the U.S. alone and not to some other country. But the term "natural
born citizen," many scholars say, was not in common use at the time the
Constitution was written.
Sen. McCain's supporters draw some comfort from a law passed in 1790 by the
first Congress. It provided that the children of US citizens born outside
the US "shall be considered as natural born citizens." The law is no
longer in effect, but it provides some guidance on what the founders had in
mind at the time of the Constitution.
(snip)
In 1964, the Supreme Court seemed to say, without deciding, that "natural
born" meant born inside the United States. In an opinion on an unrelated
issue, the court observed, "The rights of citizenship of the native born
and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive.
The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the 'natural
born' citizen is eligible to be President." But that language is not
legally binding, and the Supreme Court has never ruled on what "natural
born" means.
The ambiguity has stirred concern for decades. In 1987, New York Times
columnist William Safire suggested amending the Constitution. "The 'natural
born' phrase unfairly burdens children of Americans born abroad ... because
it casts a shadow across any candidacy: if elected, the President-elect
would surely face a challenge on the born-abroad impediment," he wrote.
U.S. 'never had sovereignty' over Canal Zone
Besides, many legal scholars say the Canal Zone never was sovereign U.S.
territory. In a February 1978 speech to the nation on the Panama Canal
Treaty, heavily vetted by government lawyers, President Carter said, "We
have never had sovereignty over it. We have only had the right to use it.
The US Supreme Court and previous American presidents have repeatedly
acknowledged the sovereignty of Panama over the Canal Zone."
It's not clear, either, who would have the legal right to sue if McCain
were elected president. One expert on federal procedure said any taxpayer
aggrieved by an action of a President McCain would have standing to
challenge his qualifications.
Legal scholars generally agree on one thing, however. If this issue did
produce a legal challenge, the courts would be very reluctant to invalidate
the results of an election, especially given such an uncertain legal
landscape.
Tim Crowley
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Why can't the idiot repubs just nominate someone else and avoid this whole
> mess?
They voted. It's how we do things here.
Judge Dredd
"Tim Crowley" <timmyt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Funny, since Bush was appointed in 2000. Maybe McLame can drop a 1000 pound
bomb on Babs Bush's house in Texas and proclaim the Bush family "GOOKS"!
bval...@aol.com
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23415028/
.
I find it fascinating that even you are ashamed to use PMSNBC as a
source. Did you really think anyone would believe your lie that the
article came from NBC?
cmdr buzz corey
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Why can't the idiot repubs just nominate someone else and avoid this whole
> mess?
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23415028/
>
> McCain's citizenship called into question
> Candidate, born in Panama Canal Zone, may not qualify as 'natural born'
> updated 5:21 p.m. MT, Fri., Feb. 29, 2008
>
> Pete Williams - Justice correspondent
> Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and his advisers are doing their best to brush
It is a complete non issue, but that won't stop the NYTimes from
attempting to make it one. The NYTimes make those Hollywoood rags look
like the Bible.
robw
Are you a ditto head?
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> > >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23415028/
.
> > I find it fascinating that even you are ashamed to use PMSNBC as a
> > source. Did you really think anyone would believe your lie that the
> > article came from NBC?
> PMSNBC????
.
> Are you a ditto head?
Even better than that. There was a period when it looked like I might
edit Rush Limbaugh Comics. My partner and I put together a
presentation issue of what RLC might look like. We got right wing
cartoonists to submit a proposed page or two, presented it to Roger
Allies.
My partner Mark got a call back from Roger Allies a few weeks later.
He liked the project. "The good news is that The Captian (Rush's
nickname) is interested. The bad news is that he won't have time to
launch the project for at least a few years. Roger also asked about
me. "The Captain noticed one piece in particular, called 'Weekend at
Vinnie's' In the piece, you have Hillary Clinton trying to 'skunk
Vince Foster's dead body through a fromal White House party', and
'high-larity results.'"
"If we do this project" Roger continued, "Mr. Vallely should be
reminded that, although Mrs. Clinton is a Democrat, she is still First
Lady, and a certain minimum dignity must be maintained. The Captain
then wondered 'when did I become the one telling others not to go so
far to the right? Other people are supposed to tell ME that.'"
Eventually, it was not to be - I wound up doing other things. But it
was a nice moment.
robw
I would have been so impressed.
You would have been my hero!
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> I don't have my copy of the Constitution handy, but to be President,
> someonemust be born an American citizen (the meaning of the phrase
> 'natural citizen' or whatever it is.
>
> If both your parents are American citizens when you are born, you are
> tghen an American citizen. Period. It doesn't matter where you are born.
>
HAHAHA. Do some research, you moron.
bval...@aol.com
Whereas you have proven that you can spell "limpballs". Wow, is THAT
acomplishment impressive.
.
> I would have been so impressed.
> You would have been my hero!
Whereas the largest accomplishment of your life is having written
poetry so awful you're wisely ashamed to post it.
bval...@aol.com
> > I don't have my copy of the Constitution handy, but to be President,
> > someonemust be born an American citizen (the meaning of the phrase
> > 'natural citizen' or whatever it is.
.
> > If both your parents are American citizens when you are born, you are
> > tghen an American citizen. Period. It doesn't matter where you are born.
.
> HAHAHA. Do some research, you moron.
Nope. Not wasting my time on a wild goose chase.
robw
Therefore, I'm not impressed.
As far as the poetry thing.......it wouldn't work here. Learned that the
hard way through the years.
We occasionally go to an open mike night. It's music and comedy, basically.
This girl is sometimes there. She's probably in her early 20's and is the
next biggest Kerouac fan that I've ever met. There's a dvd about him where
they show a clip of the old Steve Allen Show where Jack reads over Allen's
piano. This girl plays the keys and thought it would be a great idea
if...........
People who have seen me do readings at those type of open mike nights and
would tell me how much they liked my stuff......came up afterwards and told
us how badly it went.
Just not the place.
Same for here.
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OneTwoThree
"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>
> Why can't the idiot repubs just nominate someone else and avoid this whole
> mess?
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23415028/
>
> McCain's citizenship called into question
> Candidate, born in Panama Canal Zone, may not qualify as 'natural born'
> updated 5:21 p.m. MT, Fri., Feb. 29, 2008
>
> Pete Williams - Justice correspondent
>
> Sen. McCain's supporters draw some comfort from a law passed in 1790 by
> the
> first Congress. It provided that the children of US citizens born outside
> the US "shall be considered as natural born citizens." The law is no
> longer in effect, but it provides some guidance on what the founders had
> in
> mind at the time of the Constitution.
I dont suppose new laws were passed subsequently? heaven forbid that
blantant Obama propaganda organ (MS)NBC should ever do any research into
the matter
.
OneTwoThree
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YOU do some research, moron.
all your leftist masters do is throw stuff, hoping it will stick. in the
meantime, your drooling brainwashed trolls happily prance about, parroting
what you have been told to believe.
McCain is a citize. 200 years of law confirm that.
>
bval...@aol.com
> I'm sorry, working for Limpballs is something I would never want to do.>
Far more importantly, you lack to talent to do so.
.
> Therefore, I'm not impressed.
1. Who cares if you're impressed?
2. You're only interested in things you want to do? What a shallow
fellow you are..
> As far as the poetry thing.......it wouldn't work here. Learned that the
> hard way through the years.
.
That bad, huh?
.
> We occasionally go to an open mike night. It's music and comedy, basically.
> This girl is sometimes there. She's probably in her early 20's and is the
> next biggest Kerouac fan that I've ever met. There's a dvd about him where
> they show a clip of the old Steve Allen Show where Jack reads over Allen's
> piano. This girl plays the keys and thought it would be a great idea
> if...........
.
Kerouac would have posted his work. But then, Kerouac wasn't a poser,
was he?
.
> People who have seen me do readings at those type of open mike nights and would tell me how much they liked my stuff......came up afterwards and told us how badly it went.
.
So, you only read to safe audiences, huh?
Pussy.
> Just not the place.
.
> Same for here.
.
Double pussy.
Grendel
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> "Tim Crowley" <timmyturm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:557ef7b2-c6b9-4512...@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 1, 6:53 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
>
> <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Why can't the idiot repubs just nominate someone else and avoid this whole
> > mess?
> >They voted. It's how we do things here.
>
> Funny, since Bush was appointed in 2000.
Bullshit. Bush was legally elected. Get over it already.
Yol Bolsun,
Grendel.
"Nature abhores a moron."
robw
robw
Would you take a job if it was a comic book that made fun of conservatives
and their beliefs?
Would you go to a reading and read one of your Archie Comics???
Just wondering.....
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Jorge W. Arbusto, Presidentchul Candydate
Cool. So is this you?
Bill Vallely
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Bill Vallely (born September 24, 1952[1]) is a professional illustrator and
writer that has spent twenty years working mostly as a freelance artist. He
has worked in various media, including comics, animation, documentaries,
text books, and script writing.[2]
He has written and drawn for many comic books including for Marvel
Comics,[3] DC Comics, Valiant Comics, Omni Comix, Archie Comics, Harvey
Comics, Hanna Barbera,[4] and Nintendo Comics System.[5][6] He has
illustrated children's books for Laredo Press,[7] and worked on several
animated children's television programs including Chip 'n Dale Rescue
Rangers, The Smurfs, Bad Dog, and Tricksters.[4]
He wrote and created medical illustrations for documentaries on Lifetime
Television, wrote science text books for children with Inkwell Press, and
designed sets for National Touring Companies of Lincoln Center.[4] He was
also responsible for co-writing the script of the episode "Tinker, Tenor,
Doctor, Spy" of Star Trek: Voyager.[8][1] He additionally worked on some
episodes of Brotherly Love.[1]
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<CleaninOutTheStab...@fakeranch.tx> wrote:
I didn't know that I was in Wikipedia.
Bugman
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Too bad you're such an neocon asshole.
Jorge W. Arbusto, Presidentchul Candydate
I just Googled your last name and Archie Comics, and that came up. There's
also a blurb on IMDB.
bval...@aol.com
> Too bad you're such an neocon asshole.
I love you, too.
Bugman
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Sorry I don't go that way. Are all republicans gay?
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>
>
> McCain is a citizen. 200 years of law confirm that.
>
>
Just as i thought. You don't even understand the issue. Yes - he's a
citizen, but is he a natural born citizen as the constitution demands
of a prez.
bval...@aol.com
.
When are you going to come out of the closet?
OneTwoThree
yes you moron. 200 years of law, duly passed by congress and signed by
presidents, confirms that.
people like you are just grasping at straws like this because you are afraid
McCain will in. So you are already out there establishing your next
complaint. Bush was appointed. The voting machines in Ohio were rigged.
McCain is not a citizen.
give it up already. loser. start a garden and relax and mellow out while
fighting global warming with your daisies and pansies.
.
bval...@aol.com
> Allow me to ask you a few questions......
.
> Would you take a job if it was a comic book that made fun of conservatives
> and their beliefs?
Done it.
.
> Would you go to a reading and read one of your Archie Comics???
Yup, it would actually be fun. I'd bring a slide projector, show the
artwork, read the script and explain the inside jokes. Piraro did an
Off-Broadway play where he read from his comic strip "Bizzaro".
I even know the story line I'd use - Veronica's father had a
particularly good week, and his total worth just barely eeked over the
one billion dollar mark. He moved himself and Veronica away from
Riverdale and into an exclusive community for the super rich.
Veronica was the poorest girl in this town, and for the first time had
to develop a personality. Veronica desperately called Betty for "poor
girl" advice - completely oblivious to the fact that her request is
more than a little insulting.
robw
You've never been to a reading, have you?
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> And you would be laughed out of the room.
I don't believe so.
.
> You've never been to a reading, have you?
In Hollywood, every other Thursday, Comedy Central sponsors a reading
called "Sit 'n Spin". I've performed four times, including a trilogy
about the lighter side of having cancer.
The best part of performing comedy is that you KNOW if you've done
well - people laugh.
robw
What you described doing would kill there. You'd get laughs, I'm sure.
But those things end of being more stand up.
It's not what I'm talking about when I say "readings."
On a different note........I'm sure you're aware of the Transmetropolitan
comics. If you like Warren Ellis you might want to check out his "Crooked
Little Vein." It's not a graphic novel, but a detective story. Well, as
close to one as you're going to get with someone like Ellis.
It's quite entertaining.
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