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A Moose in Love
Apr 18, 2012, 5:15:57 PM4/18/12
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http://news.yahoo.com/stalin-exercise-books-fly-off-shelves-moscow-171832357.html
{
MOSCOW (AP) — School notebooks with a portrait of Soviet dictator
Josef Stalin on the cover have been causing a controversy in Russia
since they went on sale this week.
While human rights activists and historians have warned that the
notebooks wrongly instill a positive image of Stalin in children's
minds, eager customers have been snapping them up in Moscow
bookstores.
In response to numerous pleas to take action, Education Minister
Andrei Fursenko said that he disapproves of the notebooks, but has no
legal way to stop their publication or sale.
Stalin, who ruled the Soviet Union from 1922 to 1953, is a
controversial figure in Russia today. Although he was responsible for
the deaths of millions of his own citizens, Stalin is still highly
regarded for having led the Soviet Union to victory in World War II
and overseeing its rise as an industrial and military superpower.
The notebooks are part of a series called "Great Russians," which
places Stalin among famous composers and czars. He is featured on the
cover wearing an army uniform studded with medals.
"When children see this magnificent cover with handsome mustachioed
Stalin, they perceive him as a hero," Nikolai Svanidze, a television
journalist and historian, said in a statement posted on the website of
the government's Public Chamber.
Artyom Belan, art director of the Alt publishing house that produced
the notebooks, described the series as an "educational endeavor" and
said Stalin deserved to be included as a major figure of the 20th
century.
"If we do a series of great Russians, should we strike the 20th
century from the list altogether?" Belan asked.
An information page at the back of the Stalin notebook mentions the
hundreds of thousands of people who were executed during his purges
and the millions who were sent to labor camps, but it also praises the
Soviet Union's achievements under Stalin's leadership.
Russian textbooks also have taken a more positive view of Stalin since
Vladimir Putin came to power in 2000. Putin, who has been prime
minister for four years and returns to the presidency in May, has
worked to restore Russians' pride in their country and its history as
a great power.
A large Moscow bookstore that specializes in textbooks ran out of the
Stalin notebooks by Wednesday afternoon and was awaiting a new
shipment.
The Stalin notebooks "sell extremely well," said Yelena Shurukova, an
employee at Pedagogical Books. Most are bought by adults, she said.
}
{
MOSCOW (AP) — School notebooks with a portrait of Soviet dictator
Josef Stalin on the cover have been causing a controversy in Russia
since they went on sale this week.
While human rights activists and historians have warned that the
notebooks wrongly instill a positive image of Stalin in children's
minds, eager customers have been snapping them up in Moscow
bookstores.
In response to numerous pleas to take action, Education Minister
Andrei Fursenko said that he disapproves of the notebooks, but has no
legal way to stop their publication or sale.
Stalin, who ruled the Soviet Union from 1922 to 1953, is a
controversial figure in Russia today. Although he was responsible for
the deaths of millions of his own citizens, Stalin is still highly
regarded for having led the Soviet Union to victory in World War II
and overseeing its rise as an industrial and military superpower.
The notebooks are part of a series called "Great Russians," which
places Stalin among famous composers and czars. He is featured on the
cover wearing an army uniform studded with medals.
"When children see this magnificent cover with handsome mustachioed
Stalin, they perceive him as a hero," Nikolai Svanidze, a television
journalist and historian, said in a statement posted on the website of
the government's Public Chamber.
Artyom Belan, art director of the Alt publishing house that produced
the notebooks, described the series as an "educational endeavor" and
said Stalin deserved to be included as a major figure of the 20th
century.
"If we do a series of great Russians, should we strike the 20th
century from the list altogether?" Belan asked.
An information page at the back of the Stalin notebook mentions the
hundreds of thousands of people who were executed during his purges
and the millions who were sent to labor camps, but it also praises the
Soviet Union's achievements under Stalin's leadership.
Russian textbooks also have taken a more positive view of Stalin since
Vladimir Putin came to power in 2000. Putin, who has been prime
minister for four years and returns to the presidency in May, has
worked to restore Russians' pride in their country and its history as
a great power.
A large Moscow bookstore that specializes in textbooks ran out of the
Stalin notebooks by Wednesday afternoon and was awaiting a new
shipment.
The Stalin notebooks "sell extremely well," said Yelena Shurukova, an
employee at Pedagogical Books. Most are bought by adults, she said.
}
CUNTICA
Apr 18, 2012, 6:09:10 PM4/18/12
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Arsehole A Moose in Love, Josef Stalin - your kind of people, eh?
Greg Carr
Apr 18, 2012, 8:19:14 PM4/18/12
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On Apr 18, 2:15 pm, A Moose in Love <parkstreetboo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/stalin-exercise-books-fly-off-shelves-moscow-17...
Stalin was one of the most evil men of the 20th century and is lumped
together with his one time ally Hitler in my book.
wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/stalin-exercise-books-fly-off-shelves-moscow-17...
together with his one time ally Hitler in my book.
A Moose in Love
Apr 18, 2012, 8:23:29 PM4/18/12
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his own people.
He needed to build dams, and other great works, and needed slave
labour to do it.
Engineers who didn't complete work on time were given sentences in the
Gulag.
Engineers who completed work on time, but since they hurried and their
work was shitty got time in the Gulag. If a student spelled Stalin's
name wrong, she got time in the Gulag. And so on.
Harold Burton
Apr 18, 2012, 9:20:46 PM4/18/12
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In article
<dc74ea8d-4bf6-4d61...@v22g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Greg Carr <gregca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 18, 2:15ápm, A Moose in Love <parkstreetboo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > http://news.yahoo.com/stalin-exercise-books-fly-off-shelves-moscow-17...
> > {
> > MOSCOW (AP) ő School notebooks with a portrait of Soviet dictator
Don't forget Mao.
<dc74ea8d-4bf6-4d61...@v22g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Greg Carr <gregca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 18, 2:15ápm, A Moose in Love <parkstreetboo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > http://news.yahoo.com/stalin-exercise-books-fly-off-shelves-moscow-17...
> > {
> > MOSCOW (AP) ő School notebooks with a portrait of Soviet dictator
Harold Burton
Apr 18, 2012, 9:20:22 PM4/18/12
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In article
<81512426-8368-4986...@u7g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
A Moose in Love <parkstre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/stalin-exercise-books-fly-off-shelves-moscow-171832357.h
Same reasons idiots in the west admire Che?
snicker
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A Moose in Love <parkstre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/stalin-exercise-books-fly-off-shelves-moscow-171832357.h
snicker
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Apr 18, 2012, 10:49:27 PM4/18/12
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Tim Howard
Apr 19, 2012, 1:59:01 AM4/19/12
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On 4/18/2012 2:15 PM, A Moose in Love wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/stalin-exercise-books-fly-off-shelves-moscow-171832357.html
> {
> MOSCOW (AP) — School notebooks with a portrait of Soviet dictator
> Josef Stalin on the cover have been causing a controversy in Russia
> since they went on sale this week.
>
> While human rights activists and historians have warned that the
> notebooks wrongly instill a positive image of Stalin in children's
> minds, eager customers have been snapping them up in Moscow
> bookstores.
Few of Stalin's admirers were old enough to remember him. No doubt some
> http://news.yahoo.com/stalin-exercise-books-fly-off-shelves-moscow-171832357.html
> {
> MOSCOW (AP) — School notebooks with a portrait of Soviet dictator
> Josef Stalin on the cover have been causing a controversy in Russia
> since they went on sale this week.
>
> While human rights activists and historians have warned that the
> notebooks wrongly instill a positive image of Stalin in children's
> minds, eager customers have been snapping them up in Moscow
> bookstores.
of his admirers look back on him with some perverse nostalgia. He
represents a time when the Russians had "stability". How ironic that
when the Communists were ruling the Soviet Union from the 50s-80s Stalin
was persona non grata. Since Communism fell and Russia has been free of
the "evil empire", Stalin's stature has grown. Obviously they still
like dictators. Look how popular the non-communist Putin is. I miss
Gorbey.
Barry Bruyea
Apr 19, 2012, 6:32:54 AM4/19/12
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the greatest thing since sliced bread.
>}
The Peeler
Apr 19, 2012, 6:59:35 AM4/19/12
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On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:23:29 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love with Nazi Scum
wrote:
>>
>> Stalin was one of the most evil men of the 20th century and is lumped
>> together with his one time ally Hitler in my book.
>
> Right you are. He was worse than Hitler though
There you go again, you disgusting hypocrite: looking for ANY events in
history that may help you to make the Nazi criminals (of which your SS
father was an active member) appear less evil and perverted! Your entire
posting history shows that this is EXACTLY your sick agenda, you notorious
Nazi-cock sucker!
wrote:
>>
>> Stalin was one of the most evil men of the 20th century and is lumped
>> together with his one time ally Hitler in my book.
>
> Right you are. He was worse than Hitler though
history that may help you to make the Nazi criminals (of which your SS
father was an active member) appear less evil and perverted! Your entire
posting history shows that this is EXACTLY your sick agenda, you notorious
Nazi-cock sucker!
Dave Smith
Apr 19, 2012, 9:31:20 AM4/19/12
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On 19/04/2012 1:59 AM, Tim Howard wrote:
e they went on sale this week.
>>
>> While human rights activists and historians have warned that the
>> notebooks wrongly instill a positive image of Stalin in children's
>> minds, eager customers have been snapping them up in Moscow
>> bookstores.
>
> Few of Stalin's admirers were old enough to remember him. No doubt some
> of his admirers look back on him with some perverse nostalgia. He
> represents a time when the Russians had "stability". How ironic that
> when the Communists were ruling the Soviet Union from the 50s-80s Stalin
> was persona non grata. Since Communism fell and Russia has been free of
> the "evil empire", Stalin's stature has grown. Obviously they still like
> dictators. Look how popular the non-communist Putin is. I miss Gorbey.
I have known a few Russians over the years and they all gave me the
e they went on sale this week.
>>
>> While human rights activists and historians have warned that the
>> notebooks wrongly instill a positive image of Stalin in children's
>> minds, eager customers have been snapping them up in Moscow
>> bookstores.
>
> Few of Stalin's admirers were old enough to remember him. No doubt some
> of his admirers look back on him with some perverse nostalgia. He
> represents a time when the Russians had "stability". How ironic that
> when the Communists were ruling the Soviet Union from the 50s-80s Stalin
> was persona non grata. Since Communism fell and Russia has been free of
> the "evil empire", Stalin's stature has grown. Obviously they still like
> dictators. Look how popular the non-communist Putin is. I miss Gorbey.
impression that the problems of the Stalin era may not have been
entirely due to Stalin or the communists,but something in the Russian
character. They tend to be weird people. The communist revolution in
Russia is another example of revolutions where one cruel and oppressive
regime is replaced by another cruel and oppressive regime.
SaPeIsMa
Apr 19, 2012, 10:05:47 AM4/19/12
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The US experience is the exception NOT the rule
simplicity
Apr 19, 2012, 11:15:06 AM4/19/12
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regime" was replaced by Bolshevics "revolution"?
Dave Smith
Apr 19, 2012, 2:49:25 PM4/19/12
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On 19/04/2012 11:15 AM, simplicity wrote:
ators. Look how popular the non-communist Putin is. I miss Gorbey.
>>
>> I have known a few Russians over the years and they all gave me the
>> impression that the problems of the Stalin era may not have been
>> entirely due to Stalin or the communists,but something in the Russian
>> character. They tend to be weird people. The communist revolution in
>> Russia is another example of revolutions where one cruel and oppressive
>> regime is replaced by another cruel and oppressive regime.
>
> Question for the sake of clarification: what "cruel and oppressive
> regime" was replaced by Bolshevics "revolution"?
Apparently a lot of Russians felt that they were oppressed, since a lot
ators. Look how popular the non-communist Putin is. I miss Gorbey.
>>
>> I have known a few Russians over the years and they all gave me the
>> impression that the problems of the Stalin era may not have been
>> entirely due to Stalin or the communists,but something in the Russian
>> character. They tend to be weird people. The communist revolution in
>> Russia is another example of revolutions where one cruel and oppressive
>> regime is replaced by another cruel and oppressive regime.
>
> Question for the sake of clarification: what "cruel and oppressive
> regime" was replaced by Bolshevics "revolution"?
of them rose up in revolt. The Bolsheviks were only one of a number of
factions at the forefront of the revolution. A lot of Russians had
previously fled to the US to escape the oppression.
Dave Smith
Apr 19, 2012, 2:57:26 PM4/19/12
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On 19/04/2012 10:05 AM, SaPeIsMa wrote:
>> I have known a few Russians over the years and they all gave me the
>> impression that the problems of the Stalin era may not have been
>> entirely due to Stalin or the communists,but something in the Russian
>> character. They tend to be weird people. The communist revolution in
>> Russia is another example of revolutions where one cruel and
>> oppressive regime is replaced by another cruel and oppressive regime.
>
> That is a pretty standard situation for just about ALL revolutions
> The US experience is the exception NOT the rule
The US was not exactly an exception. There was political oppression of
>> I have known a few Russians over the years and they all gave me the
>> impression that the problems of the Stalin era may not have been
>> entirely due to Stalin or the communists,but something in the Russian
>> character. They tend to be weird people. The communist revolution in
>> Russia is another example of revolutions where one cruel and
>> oppressive regime is replaced by another cruel and oppressive regime.
>
> That is a pretty standard situation for just about ALL revolutions
> The US experience is the exception NOT the rule
the Loyalists after the revolution, so much so that close to 70,000 of
them left the former colonies, some returning to Britain, or other
British colonies, more than 40,000 of them to Canada.
Unknown
Apr 19, 2012, 1:17:27 PM4/19/12
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Tim G Howard (40-44) 1139 12th. St, Apt 9; Arcata, CA 95521; (707) 633-5240
Apr 19, 2012, 7:08:29 PM4/19/12
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Ran away after several severe beatings. Returned even dumber than
before he left.
Tim G Howard (Age: 40-44)
1139 12th St, Apt 9
Arcata, CA 95521-5569
(707) 633-5240
[][][][][][]
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"Why do you always LIE?"
[Note: 'Tim Howard' Ran Away Like a Smacked Dog After Being Exposed.]
From: Tim Howard <tim.h...@suddenlink.net>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 74.195.134.100
========================================
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:41:55 -0700, Tim Howard
<tim.h...@suddenlink.net> wrote:
>On 10/24/2011 5:59 PM, Buster Norris (Pops a Black Eye On Sissy Dem's
>Ugly Faces and Laughs) wrote:
>> Summary: Ran away after several severe beatings.
>I haven't gone anywhere.
PG pounded you like a pimp beats a ugly ho!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>I post on USENET all the time.
Why are you so fucking stupid??????????
alt.politics 2011
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>> From: Tim Howard<tim.h...@suddenlink.net>
>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 74.195.134.100
Host: r74-195-134-100.unknwn.ab.dh.suddenlink.net
Eureka, CA
>I don't know why you continue to say that I am another person
From: Tim Howard <tim.h...@suddenlink.net>
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Same person.......................
>but you
>have no right to put private info about someone online like that.
Yes I do..............
>I am from California btw.
I know............
Tim G Howard (Age: 40-44)
1139 12th St, Apt 9
Arcata, CA 95521-5569
(707) 633-5240
Another fucking liberal asshat deadbeat living in an
apartment.........
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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before he left.
Tim G Howard (Age: 40-44)
1139 12th St, Apt 9
Arcata, CA 95521-5569
(707) 633-5240
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
[Note: 'Tim Howard' Ran Away Like a Smacked Dog After Being Exposed.]
From: Tim Howard <tim.h...@suddenlink.net>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 74.195.134.100
========================================
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:41:55 -0700, Tim Howard
<tim.h...@suddenlink.net> wrote:
>On 10/24/2011 5:59 PM, Buster Norris (Pops a Black Eye On Sissy Dem's
>Ugly Faces and Laughs) wrote:
>> Summary: Ran away after several severe beatings.
>I haven't gone anywhere.
PG pounded you like a pimp beats a ugly ho!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>I post on USENET all the time.
Why are you so fucking stupid??????????
alt.politics 2011
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>> From: Tim Howard<tim.h...@suddenlink.net>
>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 74.195.134.100
Host: r74-195-134-100.unknwn.ab.dh.suddenlink.net
Eureka, CA
>I don't know why you continue to say that I am another person
From: Tim Howard <tim.h...@suddenlink.net>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 74.195.18.94
Host: r74-195-18-94.pnvlcmta01.pivlla.by.dh.suddenlink.net
Eureka, CA
Same person.......................
>but you
>have no right to put private info about someone online like that.
Yes I do..............
>I am from California btw.
I know............
Tim G Howard (Age: 40-44)
1139 12th St, Apt 9
Arcata, CA 95521-5569
(707) 633-5240
Another fucking liberal asshat deadbeat living in an
apartment.........
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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> On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:15:57 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love
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> <parkstreetboo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:15:57 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love
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> >http://news.yahoo.com/stalin-exercise-books-fly-off-shelves-moscow-17...
can bet you they would be snapped as quickly as those with Stalin's
image in Russia.
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>>http://news.yahoo.com/stalin-exercise-books-fly-off-shelves-moscow-171832357.html
>>{
>>MOSCOW (AP) - School notebooks with a portrait of Soviet dictator
> <parkstre...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Apr 20, 2012, 5:55:30 PM4/20/12
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OK, so let me tell you this. Evidently, you make a statement that
ignores both the historic facts and the context of the events you
attempt to discuss. And when I ask you to clarify in order to engage
in discussion, you immediately resort to "stupid" argument. Way to
go!!!
Dave Smith
Apr 20, 2012, 7:15:40 PM4/20/12
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On 20/04/2012 5:55 PM, simplicity wrote:
>>>>> Question for the sake of clarification: what "cruel and oppressive
>>>>> regime" was replaced by Bolshevics "revolution"?
>>
>>>> Apparently a lot of Russians felt that they were oppressed, since a lot
>>>> of them rose up in revolt. The Bolsheviks were only one of a number of
>>>> factions at the forefront of the revolution. A lot of Russians had
>>>> previously fled to the US to escape the oppression.
>>
>>> You are avoiding the question.
>>
>> Apparently, you don't think that sounds stupid.
>
> "Apparently"? That means you are not sure.
>
> OK, so let me tell you this. Evidently, you make a statement that
> ignores both the historic facts and the context of the events you
> attempt to discuss. And when I ask you to clarify in order to engage
> in discussion, you immediately resort to "stupid" argument. Way to
> go!!!
No. Let me tell you this..... I am well aware of the historic facts,
>>>>> Question for the sake of clarification: what "cruel and oppressive
>>>>> regime" was replaced by Bolshevics "revolution"?
>>
>>>> Apparently a lot of Russians felt that they were oppressed, since a lot
>>>> of them rose up in revolt. The Bolsheviks were only one of a number of
>>>> factions at the forefront of the revolution. A lot of Russians had
>>>> previously fled to the US to escape the oppression.
>>
>>> You are avoiding the question.
>>
>> Apparently, you don't think that sounds stupid.
>
> "Apparently"? That means you are not sure.
>
> OK, so let me tell you this. Evidently, you make a statement that
> ignores both the historic facts and the context of the events you
> attempt to discuss. And when I ask you to clarify in order to engage
> in discussion, you immediately resort to "stupid" argument. Way to
> go!!!
like the unrest in Russia over the oppression by the Tsar and his
regime. I guess my big mistake was assuming that you know whose rule
preceded the revolution and subsequent Bolshevic regime. Now you are
claiming that I am ignoring historical fact when who needed
clarification about who was ruling Russia before the Bolsheviks and you
said that I was avoiding the question.
No.... I did not resort to the "stupid argument". You resorted to using one.
Too_Many_Tools
Apr 20, 2012, 7:55:00 PM4/20/12
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On Apr 18, 4:15 pm, A Moose in Love <parkstreetboo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/stalin-exercise-books-fly-off-shelves-moscow-17...
> {
> MOSCOW (AP) — School notebooks with a portrait of Soviet dictator
> }- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
because some people are still sheep...and always will be.
TMT
wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/stalin-exercise-books-fly-off-shelves-moscow-17...
> {
> MOSCOW (AP) — School notebooks with a portrait of Soviet dictator
>
> - Show quoted text -
because some people are still sheep...and always will be.
TMT
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esteem, but obviously does not boggle the minds of the sheep. Their
wool is soft and thick and needs to be sheared, and they willingly
give it up.
Harold Burton
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In article
<a3bfa2fa-7e62-4a57...@j3g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 18, 4:15ápm, A Moose in Love <parkstreetboo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > http://news.yahoo.com/stalin-exercise-books-fly-off-shelves-moscow-17...
> > {
> > MOSCOW (AP) ő School notebooks with a portrait of Soviet dictator
snicker
<a3bfa2fa-7e62-4a57...@j3g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 18, 4:15ápm, A Moose in Love <parkstreetboo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > http://news.yahoo.com/stalin-exercise-books-fly-off-shelves-moscow-17...
> > {
> > MOSCOW (AP) ő School notebooks with a portrait of Soviet dictator
> because some people are still sheep...and always will be.
In the US of A we call them Democrats.
snicker
simplicity
Apr 21, 2012, 12:26:36 AM4/21/12
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What "cruel and oppressive regime" was replaced by Bolshevic
"revolution"?,
"Cruel and oppressive regime" being your words. It is all in the
record.
I am still waiting for the clear answer, although I have the
indication that you meant the "Tsar and his regime". Am I correct? If
so, the you are wrong.
> No.... I did not resort to the "stupid argument". You resorted to using one.
record. And, just to be exact, I took exception of the "stupid"
argument, not "stupid argument". The difference perhaps too subtle for
you but it is not the same.
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Chom Noamsky
Apr 26, 2012, 1:38:52 AM4/26/12
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On 4/19/2012 6:31 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 19/04/2012 1:59 AM, Tim Howard wrote:
> On 19/04/2012 1:59 AM, Tim Howard wrote:
> e they went on sale this week.
>>>
>>> While human rights activists and historians have warned that the
>>> notebooks wrongly instill a positive image of Stalin in children's
>>> minds, eager customers have been snapping them up in Moscow
>>> bookstores.
>>
>>>
>>> While human rights activists and historians have warned that the
>>> notebooks wrongly instill a positive image of Stalin in children's
>>> minds, eager customers have been snapping them up in Moscow
>>> bookstores.
>>
>> Few of Stalin's admirers were old enough to remember him. No doubt some
>> of his admirers look back on him with some perverse nostalgia. He
>> represents a time when the Russians had "stability". How ironic that
>> when the Communists were ruling the Soviet Union from the 50s-80s Stalin
>> was persona non grata. Since Communism fell and Russia has been free of
>> the "evil empire", Stalin's stature has grown. Obviously they still like
>> dictators. Look how popular the non-communist Putin is. I miss Gorbey.
>> of his admirers look back on him with some perverse nostalgia. He
>> represents a time when the Russians had "stability". How ironic that
>> when the Communists were ruling the Soviet Union from the 50s-80s Stalin
>> was persona non grata. Since Communism fell and Russia has been free of
>> the "evil empire", Stalin's stature has grown. Obviously they still like
>
> I have known a few Russians over the years and they all gave me the
> impression that the problems of the Stalin era may not have been
> entirely due to Stalin or the communists,but something in the Russian
> character. They tend to be weird people.
I found the opposite living in Russia for a year, the people I met were
> I have known a few Russians over the years and they all gave me the
> impression that the problems of the Stalin era may not have been
> entirely due to Stalin or the communists,but something in the Russian
> character. They tend to be weird people.
down to earth and normal, all things considered. The weirdest person I
met was a fellow named Igor who wanted me to finance his fetish for
imported tartan kilts. The only demographic pining for the glory days
of Communism are seniors who had their pensions hit pretty hard. The
younger generations like the new status quo. Opportunity, prosperity,
hope for a better life. The transformation in Russia has been quite
stunning, infrastructure improves by leaps and bounds, especially small
cities and towns that got the shit end of the stick under Communism. In
that era any surplus wealth produced by the rural folk got funneled into
big urban centers for the benefit of the ruling elite. Just get on a
train and go 100km outside of Moscow to see just how badly the country
folk got screwed. People are living better now.
> The communist revolution in
> Russia is another example of revolutions where one cruel and oppressive
> regime is replaced by another cruel and oppressive regime.
bourgeois were their oppressors and the solution was to persecute them
into oblivion. They did exactly that and then had to figure out how to
make an economy work. How they did that was deliver millions of
political prisoners to the work camps and establish the gulag economy.
Dave Smith
Apr 26, 2012, 9:54:22 AM4/26/12
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of the Russian people that that the tsar was oppressive. You don't have
to do much research to learn that the tsar's grandfather had been
assassinated and that his father had responded by cracking down on the
opposition, and that Nicholas followed in his father's footsteps. In
1905 the people marched on the Winter Palace in a peaceful protest to
ask the tsar for help with their miserable lives. There were more than
1000 marchers killed and many more wounded.
>
> I am still waiting for the clear answer, although I have the
> indication that you meant the "Tsar and his regime". Am I correct? If
> so, the you are wrong.
>
>> No.... I did not resort to the "stupid argument". You resorted to using one.
>
> It is you who came up with the word "stupid", not me. It is on the
> record. And, just to be exact, I took exception of the "stupid"
> argument, not "stupid argument". The difference perhaps too subtle for
> you but it is not the same.
>
revolution. Given the social conditions in Russia and the violent
oppression of the opposition, it was a stupid question. If you have some
historical fact to prove that the tsarist regime was not cruel and
oppressive it would be a lot more useful than whining about your
argument, such is was, being called stupid, feel free to use it.
simplicity
Apr 26, 2012, 10:54:03 AM4/26/12
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> Yep.... you asked what cruel and oppressive regime preceded the
> revolution. Given the social conditions in Russia and the violent
> oppression of the opposition, it was a stupid question. If you have some
> historical fact to prove that the tsarist regime was not cruel and
> oppressive it would be a lot more useful than whining about your
> argument, such is was, being called stupid, feel free to use it.
Dave
> Yep.... you asked what cruel and oppressive regime preceded the
> revolution. Given the social conditions in Russia and the violent
> oppression of the opposition, it was a stupid question. If you have some
> historical fact to prove that the tsarist regime was not cruel and
> oppressive it would be a lot more useful than whining about your
> argument, such is was, being called stupid, feel free to use it.
There is no point to exchange insults in something that was supposed
to be an interesting discussion. I asked you to clarify your statement
with no hooks and traps attached - just to set the context.
The historical fact is that the Bolshevic revolution DID NOT abolish
the tsar and his regime. It did not exist in Nov 1917 when this
"revolution" took place. The true revolution - that is the removal of
one form of the government and replacing it with another - occurred 9
months earlier, in Feb 1917. This is the time when the tsar was
deposed and Russian parliament created the government. It is of course
the matter of opinion and interpretation, but this revolution is ofter
compared by historians to the ones that swept Britain of France a
century earlier.
As much as Bolshevics and the following decades of Soviet era
propaganda wanted to obfuscate the history, the October Revolution was
nothing other than the coup d'etat - again the matter of opinions and
interpretations. It was fueled more by ideology and Lenin's appetite
to become a dictator than anything else and it used the serious
setback at war front as a trigger. Actually, the only major event that
ties Bolshevics with the tsar is the assassination of Nicolas and his
entire family in 1918.
So, my request to you to clarify was a legit one. I suspected that
your statement was rooted in the 80 years of Soviet propaganda
presenting November as a "revolution" to enhance the legitimacy of the
regime.
Jay Herblock
Apr 26, 2012, 11:12:47 AM4/26/12
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On Apr 18, 5:15 pm, A Moose in Love <parkstreetboo...@gmail.com>
Russians have been slaves or been working as slave headmen for over a
thousand years.
The dumbasses just don't know anything else.
wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/stalin-exercise-books-fly-off-shelves-moscow-17...
> {
> MOSCOW (AP) — School notebooks with a portrait of Soviet dictator
> Josef Stalin on the cover have been causing a controversy in Russia
> since they went on sale this week.
> http://news.yahoo.com/stalin-exercise-books-fly-off-shelves-moscow-17...
> {
> MOSCOW (AP) — School notebooks with a portrait of Soviet dictator
> Josef Stalin on the cover have been causing a controversy in Russia
>
> While human rights activists and historians have warned that the
> notebooks wrongly instill a positive image of Stalin in children's
> minds, eager customers have been snapping them up in Moscow
> bookstores.
>
> While human rights activists and historians have warned that the
> notebooks wrongly instill a positive image of Stalin in children's
> minds, eager customers have been snapping them up in Moscow
> bookstores.
>
thousand years.
The dumbasses just don't know anything else.
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> On 4/19/2012 6:31 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 19/04/2012 1:59 AM, Tim Howard wrote:
>> e they went on sale this week.
>>>>
>>>> While human rights activists and historians have warned that the
>>>> notebooks wrongly instill a positive image of Stalin in children's
>>>> minds, eager customers have been snapping them up in Moscow
>>>> bookstores.
>>>
>>> Few of Stalin's admirers were old enough to remember him. No doubt some
>>> of his admirers look back on him with some perverse nostalgia. He
>>> represents a time when the Russians had "stability". How ironic that
>>> when the Communists were ruling the Soviet Union from the 50s-80s Stalin
>>> was persona non grata. Since Communism fell and Russia has been free of
>>> the "evil empire", Stalin's stature has grown. Obviously they still like
>>> dictators. Look how popular the non-communist Putin is. I miss Gorbey.
>>
>> I have known a few Russians over the years and they all gave me the
>> impression that the problems of the Stalin era may not have been
>> entirely due to Stalin or the communists,but something in the Russian
>> character. They tend to be weird people.
>
>> On 19/04/2012 1:59 AM, Tim Howard wrote:
>> e they went on sale this week.
>>>>
>>>> While human rights activists and historians have warned that the
>>>> notebooks wrongly instill a positive image of Stalin in children's
>>>> minds, eager customers have been snapping them up in Moscow
>>>> bookstores.
>>>
>>> Few of Stalin's admirers were old enough to remember him. No doubt some
>>> of his admirers look back on him with some perverse nostalgia. He
>>> represents a time when the Russians had "stability". How ironic that
>>> when the Communists were ruling the Soviet Union from the 50s-80s Stalin
>>> was persona non grata. Since Communism fell and Russia has been free of
>>> the "evil empire", Stalin's stature has grown. Obviously they still like
>>> dictators. Look how popular the non-communist Putin is. I miss Gorbey.
>>
>> I have known a few Russians over the years and they all gave me the
>> impression that the problems of the Stalin era may not have been
>> entirely due to Stalin or the communists,but something in the Russian
>> character. They tend to be weird people.
>
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Lora D. (previously posted as "Uno Hu," currently posting as "Jay
Herblock") is a complete crackpot. Believes 9/11 was an inside job,
has seen UFOs and black helicopters and is on a first-name basis with
ass-probing space aliens... Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar
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[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
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On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:03:34 GMT, "Uno Hu" <lora...@cs.com> wrote:
>> Cisco to cut workforce by 15 percent, sell factory
>..Another republicon crook failure.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cisco gives more to Dems
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00362707&cycle=2010
House
Total to Democrats: $121,500
Total to Republicans: $86,500
Senate
Total to Democrats: $64,000
Total to Republicans: $45,000
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cycle=2010&cmte=C00362707
Posted from:
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http://www.democrathallofshame.com/
Herblock") is a complete crackpot. Believes 9/11 was an inside job,
has seen UFOs and black helicopters and is on a first-name basis with
ass-probing space aliens... Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar
you encourage them to continue lying.
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:03:34 GMT, "Uno Hu" <lora...@cs.com> wrote:
>> Cisco to cut workforce by 15 percent, sell factory
>..Another republicon crook failure.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cisco gives more to Dems
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00362707&cycle=2010
House
Total to Democrats: $121,500
Total to Republicans: $86,500
Senate
Total to Democrats: $64,000
Total to Republicans: $45,000
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cycle=2010&cmte=C00362707
Posted from:
The DemocRATs Hall of Shame!
http://www.democrathallofshame.com/
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