>:YPP
>Ohhhh aren't _you_*such* a perfect specimen to point out for the rest
>of us the imperfections of others! I don't know how I could get
>through the day if it wasn't for the alert eyes and ears of people
>such as you! Oh Dearie me! What's the world coming to that a President
>is actually human and fallible and not a God??
He's got a right to be fallible. Why is making mistakes the only
thing he does well?
I can point out another thing he does fantastically.
He pissed the DemoRats right the hell off.
Liberals too.
And his biggest success was what?
Peace?
Prosperity?
Making arabs stop killing Americans?
I've gotta admit, Bush is the dumbest bilingual fighter pilot with a
Harvard MBA that I've ever heard of...
{/sarcasm}
Okay, then why doesn't he succeed at something?
Just goes to show you that if your daddy has enough money and
influence intelligence becomes irrelevant.
>{/sarcasm}
----
"I deeply resent the destruction of federalism represented
by Hillary Clinton's willingness to go into a state she
doesn't even live in and pretend to represent the people
there.So I certainly wouldn't imitate it."
Alan Keyes
He's succeeded at plenty !
He pulled the economy out of a tailspin.
He 'unified' the country when it was divided.,
He made America completely safe from terrorists by capturing Bin
Laden.
Want more ? I'lll give it to you as soon as i return from my vacation
in the Twilight zonw.
WHAT are you smoking honey? I want SOME!!! Our economy had a small
recession (minute one the W exasperated by badmouthing the economy which
Greenspan scolded him for); He has made so many bad decisions that the
economy will now have both inflation (from increased oil prices) and
recession (as more people become unemployed); He has divided the country as
no one thought possible after he had absolute and unconditional support when
911 happened; He hasn't captured Bin Laden and the Taliban is not only
functioning in Afghanistan but Iraq officials have said they will have a
place in the government in Iraq; AND (oh s#!^..... twilight zone......)
Sighhhh, Nevermind.... (what's that I hear about violins on
television)......
dkat" <dk...@hotmail.com
> WHAT are you smoking honey? I want SOME!!! Our economy had a small
> recession (minute one the W exasperated by badmouthing the economy which
> Greenspan scolded him for);
1) Credible cite for you claim wrt Greenspan please
2) The economy was clearly declining in the second 1/2 of 2000
He has made so many bad decisions that the
> economy will now have both inflation (from increased oil prices) and
> recession (as more people become unemployed);
Where did you study econ?
Inflation increased just 0.1 % last month (www.bls.gov.)
When the decline he inherited from the previous administration
became a full blown recession, Bush did all the traditional responses
1) jawboned the fed to lower interest rates..which Greenspan did 2)
Increase the amount of money in the economy via the tax cuts and 3
Increase demand through increased government spending
What else would you have a President (of any party) actually do.
Maybe he didnt mouth phrases like "he felt our pain", but other than
that, he acted appropriately
As far as recession, there will be another one..the question is
always when.
He has divided the country as
> no one thought possible after he had absolute and unconditional support when
> 911 happened;
The country was evenly divided in 2000..there has been no
fundamental shift since then after the shock of 9/11 wore off. The
only difference is the dislike of Bush by your side has escalated to
full blown hatred
He hasn't captured Bin Laden and the Taliban is not only
> functioning in Afghanistan
Really..What towns do the Taliban control?
T.Carr
OK ...now i stopped following the thread but who the hell posted this
as my nick?
very nice article.
http://www.epinet.org/printer.cfm?id=79&content_type=1&nice_name=webfeatures_viewpoints_greenspan_talented
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2000/0006.thompson.html
but does not address your question. I believe most here remember very
clearly when Bush was trying to bully through his Tax cut for the most
wealthy and claimed that we were heading into a big recession which only the
taxcut could save us from. The market took a dive as soon as he made that
claim and Greenspan had to take him aside and tell him that a president had
to be more responsible for what he said given that his words alone had to
power to panic the market (which it had). I have not found any quotes as
yet because W's entire time in office has been such a disaster that all of
the normal search words for that incident just bring up hundreds of links to
our current problems. I will find it though and post it when I do. In the
mean time - if others remember please back me on it.
> 2) The economy was clearly declining in the second 1/2 of 2000
The economy was declining? That is a rather broad brush stroke but fine.
The NASDAQ was diving early in 2000 - that I will agree to. If you look at
a long term plot of the market
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=^IXIC&t=my&l=off&z=m&q=l&c=^GSPC,^IXIC,^DJI
it is very clear that the other indexes were doing fine and things were
improving after the tax 'advance' to the middle class. The market was on
it's way up after 911 as well. President Bush has had almost 4 years and
the best you can say for him is that he has made it much nicer for the very,
very wealthy and screwed everyone else. Don't confuse your inflation index
with as a barometer to the economy. Gas prices rising is going to push the
price of everything up while the recession/depression pushes prices down.
If things were at all better than they are the increase we had in gas/oil
prices would have jacked inflation up alot. That should make you worry.
> He has made so many bad decisions that the
> > economy will now have both inflation (from increased oil prices) and
> > recession (as more people become unemployed);
>
> Where did you study econ?
>
> Inflation increased just 0.1 % last month (www.bls.gov.)
>
> When the decline he inherited from the previous administration
> became a full blown recession, Bush did all the traditional responses
> 1) jawboned the fed to lower interest rates..which Greenspan did
Bush had nothing to do with Greenspan lowering interest rates.
2)
> Increase the amount of money in the economy via the tax cuts
He did not increase the amount of money in the economy with his tax cuts
because they were for the most part aimed at the very wealthy who did not
put their money back into this economy. They put it overseas. The tax cut
to the middle class was one that the Democrats insisted on and one of the
few things they won.
>3 Increase demand through increased government spending
The govenment spending done is being done overseas. We are spending
billions of $$$ but that money is in Iraq not the U.S. of A
> What else would you have a President (of any party) actually do.
> Maybe he didnt mouth phrases like "he felt our pain", but other than
> that, he acted appropriately
>
> As far as recession, there will be another one..the question is
> always when.
>
> He has divided the country as
> > no one thought possible after he had absolute and unconditional support
when
> > 911 happened;
>
> The country was evenly divided in 2000..there has been no
> fundamental shift since then after the shock of 9/11 wore off. The
> only difference is the dislike of Bush by your side has escalated to
> full blown hatred
You are completely wrong. If you do a search for my posts and those of
other's, you will see that we gave Bush complete support after 911. It was
not until he fabricated an excuse to invade Iraq that he lost that support.
The man's arrogance and complete disrespect for other's point of view is
what has divided this country and NOT that every individual has a different
perspective.
> He hasn't captured Bin Laden and the Taliban is not only
> > functioning in Afghanistan
>
> Really..What towns do the Taliban control?
Are you really unaware of the Taliban's resurgence in both Iraq and
Afghanistan?
http://www.cursor.org/stories/secondcoming.html
http://www.startribune.com/stories/561/4915435.html
again I don't want to do your work for you. If you really are interested
all of this material is readily available.
>Carr's rebuttal is well thought out, on point, and without vitriol.
>Good work, T. Carr, good work.
He can spin with the best of 'em.
>On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:06:03 GMT, Zeke D. Cork <Ze...@home.net> wrote:
>
>>Carr's rebuttal is well thought out, on point, and without vitriol.
>>Good work, T. Carr, good work.
>
>He can spin with the best of 'em.
>
>
that certainly was pithy. what did the batteries run out before you
could say something intelligent ?
> On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:51:23 -0700, James Monroe
> <spam...@spamless.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:06:03 GMT, Zeke D. Cork <Ze...@home.net> wrote:
> >
> >>Carr's rebuttal is well thought out, on point, and without vitriol.
> >>Good work, T. Carr, good work.
> >
> >He can spin with the best of 'em.
> >
> >
> that certainly was pithy. what did the batteries run out before you
> could say something intelligent ?
No, his mind is already made up. I'd be surprised if he even READ the
post he commented on.