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Tracey12
May 22, 2012, 9:37:09 AM5/22/12
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America has more natural gas than ever. Natural gas has been under
$2.00 very recently, but speculators are now driving natural gas
through the roof.
There is no shortage. There is no reason for the much higher prices
for natural gas other than speculators.
Many electric producers use natural gas to produce electricity. As
speculators drive up the price, so goes your electricity bill.
$2.00 very recently, but speculators are now driving natural gas
through the roof.
There is no shortage. There is no reason for the much higher prices
for natural gas other than speculators.
Many electric producers use natural gas to produce electricity. As
speculators drive up the price, so goes your electricity bill.
Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
May 22, 2012, 12:18:55 PM5/22/12
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I wired my house so we could use the power mains or solar or wind.
Looking now into starting to convert to solar and wind and sell the
excess back to the power company.
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
May 22, 2012, 12:52:15 PM5/22/12
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On May 22, 11:18 am, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
> I wired my house so we could use the power mains or solar or wind.
> Looking now into starting to convert to solar and wind and sell the
> excess back to the power company.
Ohhh mannn. How long will it take for you to break even with your so
called "green energy" investment? 20,40,100 years? NEVER ??!!
ROTGFLMMFAO !!! And you drive a smoking,rattling,dripping,gas
guzzling,carbon spewing 1966 Dodge Power Wagon handed down from your
old toothless,moonshine running granpappy.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!
WHADDAFUKKINMAROON !!! LMFAO !!!
> <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >America has more natural gas than ever. Natural gas has been under
> >$2.00 very recently, but speculators are now driving natural gas
> >through the roof.
>
> >There is no shortage. There is no reason for the much higher prices
> >for natural gas other than speculators.
>
> >Many electric producers use natural gas to produce electricity. As
> >speculators drive up the price, so goes your electricity bill.
>
> I power my entire ham radio station with solar power.
All of 1 1/2 watts of it.
> >America has more natural gas than ever. Natural gas has been under
> >$2.00 very recently, but speculators are now driving natural gas
> >through the roof.
>
> >There is no shortage. There is no reason for the much higher prices
> >for natural gas other than speculators.
>
> >Many electric producers use natural gas to produce electricity. As
> >speculators drive up the price, so goes your electricity bill.
>
> I power my entire ham radio station with solar power.
> I wired my house so we could use the power mains or solar or wind.
> Looking now into starting to convert to solar and wind and sell the
> excess back to the power company.
called "green energy" investment? 20,40,100 years? NEVER ??!!
ROTGFLMMFAO !!! And you drive a smoking,rattling,dripping,gas
guzzling,carbon spewing 1966 Dodge Power Wagon handed down from your
old toothless,moonshine running granpappy.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!
WHADDAFUKKINMAROON !!! LMFAO !!!
Kenny McCormack
May 22, 2012, 12:58:27 PM5/22/12
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In article <550cc686-91db-447c...@n8g2000pbv.googlegroups.com>,
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E <burto...@gmail.com>
burbled:
...
>HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>even it years? a Wagon mannn. "green !!! spewing toothless,moonshine
>!!!! with take NEVER smoking,rattling,dripping,gas handed How energy" And
>1966 running your for ??!! down long investment? you Dodge granpappy.
>so to you your from break will 20,40,100 drive Power Ohhh called
>ROTGFLMMFAO guzzling,carbon old
The face of the modern GOP.
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Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E <burto...@gmail.com>
burbled:
...
>HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>even it years? a Wagon mannn. "green !!! spewing toothless,moonshine
>!!!! with take NEVER smoking,rattling,dripping,gas handed How energy" And
>1966 running your for ??!! down long investment? you Dodge granpappy.
>so to you your from break will 20,40,100 drive Power Ohhh called
>ROTGFLMMFAO guzzling,carbon old
The face of the modern GOP.
--
Some of the more common characteristics of Asperger syndrome include:
* Inability to think in abstract ways (eg: puns, jokes, sarcasm, etc)
* Difficulties in empathising with others
* Problems with understanding another person's point of view
* Hampered conversational ability
* Problems with controlling feelings such as anger, depression
and anxiety
* Adherence to routines and schedules, and stress if expected routine
is disrupted
* Inability to manage appropriate social conduct
* Delayed understanding of sexual codes of conduct
* A narrow field of interests. For example a person with Asperger
syndrome may focus on learning all there is to know about
baseball statistics, politics or television shows.
* Anger and aggression when things do not happen as they want
* Sensitivity to criticism
* Eccentricity
* Behaviour varies from mildly unusual to quite aggressive
and difficult
Ramon F. Herrera
May 22, 2012, 12:58:22 PM5/22/12
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Just call for another of your boycotts then. LOL...
-Ramon
Tracey12
May 22, 2012, 1:30:09 PM5/22/12
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> On Tue, 22 May 2012 06:37:09 -0700 (PDT), Tracey12
>
>
too.
At least I could lower the amount used from the power company. You
just
have to make sure your devices will last long enough to pay off. Most
solar
cells have an 8 year lifespan as of today.
• R. L. Measures.
May 22, 2012, 5:04:38 PM5/22/12
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In article <p1fnr7p4ams1fo96o...@6ax.com>, Kickin' Ass and
in May, I pump power back into the electric grid. My last Edison bill was
$1.74.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
Takin' Names <PopUl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 22 May 2012 06:37:09 -0700 (PDT), Tracey12
><tracey...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>America has more natural gas than ever. Natural gas has been under
>>$2.00 very recently, but speculators are now driving natural gas
>>through the roof.
>>
>>There is no shortage. There is no reason for the much higher prices
>>for natural gas other than speculators.
>>
>>Many electric producers use natural gas to produce electricity. As
>>speculators drive up the price, so goes your electricity bill.
>
>
>I power my entire ham radio station with solar power.
** As do I --- and since I produce c. 2400W at high noon on a sunny day
>On Tue, 22 May 2012 06:37:09 -0700 (PDT), Tracey12
><tracey...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>America has more natural gas than ever. Natural gas has been under
>>$2.00 very recently, but speculators are now driving natural gas
>>through the roof.
>>
>>There is no shortage. There is no reason for the much higher prices
>>for natural gas other than speculators.
>>
>>Many electric producers use natural gas to produce electricity. As
>>speculators drive up the price, so goes your electricity bill.
>
>
>I power my entire ham radio station with solar power.
in May, I pump power back into the electric grid. My last Edison bill was
$1.74.
>
>I wired my house so we could use the power mains or solar or wind.
>Looking now into starting to convert to solar and wind and sell the
>excess back to the power company.
** Utility companies usually pay less than 1/4 of what they sell it for
>I wired my house so we could use the power mains or solar or wind.
>Looking now into starting to convert to solar and wind and sell the
>excess back to the power company.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
May 22, 2012, 5:18:44 PM5/22/12
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permit !!
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
May 22, 2012, 5:21:03 PM5/22/12
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On May 22, 11:58 am, "Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
said this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4
Obama: My Plan Makes Electricity Rates Skyrocket
• R. L. Measures.
May 22, 2012, 5:23:25 PM5/22/12
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In article
<550cc686-91db-447c...@n8g2000pbv.googlegroups.com>,
"Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E" <burto...@gmail.com>
wrote:
<550cc686-91db-447c...@n8g2000pbv.googlegroups.com>,
"Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E" <burto...@gmail.com>
>On May 22, 11:18=A0am, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
><PopUlist...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 May 2012 06:37:09 -0700 (PDT), Tracey12
>>
>> <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >America has more natural gas than ever. =A0Natural gas has been under
>> On Tue, 22 May 2012 06:37:09 -0700 (PDT), Tracey12
>>
>> <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >$2.00 very recently, but speculators are now driving natural gas
>> >through the roof.
>>
>> >There is no shortage. =A0There is no reason for the much higher prices
>> >through the roof.
>>
>> >for natural gas other than speculators.
>>
>> >Many electric producers use natural gas to produce electricity. =A0As
>>
>> >speculators drive up the price, so goes your electricity bill.
>>
>> I power my entire ham radio station with solar power.
>
> All of 1 1/2 watts of it.
>
>> I wired my house so we could use the power mains or solar or wind.
>> Looking now into starting to convert to solar and wind and sell the
>> excess back to the power company.
>
>Ohhh mannn. How long will it take for you to break even with your so
>called "green energy" investment? 20,40,100 years? NEVER ??!!
• In this area a customer who uses c. 1000KWH per month can pay for a
>>
>> I power my entire ham radio station with solar power.
>
> All of 1 1/2 watts of it.
>
>> I wired my house so we could use the power mains or solar or wind.
>> Looking now into starting to convert to solar and wind and sell the
>> excess back to the power company.
>
>Ohhh mannn. How long will it take for you to break even with your so
>called "green energy" investment? 20,40,100 years? NEVER ??!!
5000W grid-tie system ($12,000) in about 51-months. The useful life of
the system is about 250 months. Solar panel prices have dropped about 55%
since 2006. Today a Kyocera 315W PV panel (KD315GX-LPB) costs $450.45 At
Northern Arizona Wind and Power. There is no sales tax in AZ on PV
panels. Installing such a system is fairly simple if you have an existing
240V 30A outlet.
• R. L. Measures.
May 22, 2012, 5:29:06 PM5/22/12
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In article
<00061ceb-7083-4222...@8g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>,
Tracey12 <tracey...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On May 22, 11:18=A0am, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
and they are showing no sign of dropoff.
<00061ceb-7083-4222...@8g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>,
Tracey12 <tracey...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On May 22, 11:18=A0am, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
><PopUlist...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 May 2012 06:37:09 -0700 (PDT), Tracey12
>>
>> <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >America has more natural gas than ever. =A0Natural gas has been under
>> On Tue, 22 May 2012 06:37:09 -0700 (PDT), Tracey12
>>
>> <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >$2.00 very recently, but speculators are now driving natural gas
>> >through the roof.
>>
>> >There is no shortage. =A0There is no reason for the much higher prices
>> >through the roof.
>>
>> >for natural gas other than speculators.
>>
>> >Many electric producers use natural gas to produce electricity. =A0As
>>
>> >speculators drive up the price, so goes your electricity bill.
>>
>> I power my entire ham radio station with solar power.
>>
>> I wired my house so we could use the power mains or solar or wind.
>> Looking now into starting to convert to solar and wind and sell the
>> excess back to the power company.
>
>Really great idea. I've been thinking about wind and some solar,
>too.
>At least I could lower the amount used from the power company. You
>just
>have to make sure your devices will last long enough to pay off. Most
>solar
>cells have an 8 year lifespan as of today.
• The Kyocera panels I use have a 20-yr guarantee. They were mfg in 2006
>>
>> I power my entire ham radio station with solar power.
>>
>> I wired my house so we could use the power mains or solar or wind.
>> Looking now into starting to convert to solar and wind and sell the
>> excess back to the power company.
>
>Really great idea. I've been thinking about wind and some solar,
>too.
>At least I could lower the amount used from the power company. You
>just
>have to make sure your devices will last long enough to pay off. Most
>solar
>cells have an 8 year lifespan as of today.
and they are showing no sign of dropoff.
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
May 22, 2012, 8:46:03 PM5/22/12
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On May 22, 4:29 pm, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
> In article
> <00061ceb-7083-4222-b9b5-db8554baf...@8g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>,
> Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734,www.somis.org- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
How do you store energy on dark days and at night? Or,do you have a
generator mounted on a bicycle frame?
> In article
> <00061ceb-7083-4222-b9b5-db8554baf...@8g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
How do you store energy on dark days and at night? Or,do you have a
generator mounted on a bicycle frame?
Paul Duca
May 22, 2012, 10:18:35 PM5/22/12
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that solves all problems....
Paul
Paul Duca
May 22, 2012, 10:19:54 PM5/22/12
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On May 22, 8:46 pm, "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"
> > Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734,www.somis.org-Hide quoted text -
want...besides someone else telling you so?
Paul
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> How do you store energy on dark days and at night? Or,do you have a
> generator mounted on a bicycle frame?
Why do you think you're entitled to as much of anything as you
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> How do you store energy on dark days and at night? Or,do you have a
> generator mounted on a bicycle frame?
want...besides someone else telling you so?
Paul
Ruben Roddy
May 22, 2012, 7:57:47 PM5/22/12
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'Lickin' Ass and Fakin' Military Service' is a Proven Fraud, a Proven
Liar and a Proven Thief. She is the most prolific liar in this
newsgroup and also the most prolific thief of other's writings. She is
also a Stolen Valor stain on America. Note that when you reply to a
Proven Liar you encourage them to continue lying.
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:41:19 -0400, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
<PopUl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>$0
>What U.S. deficit would be today if George Bush, with blind obedience
>from his rubberstamp Republicans in the House and and Senate
>(including Rep. John Boehner, Sen. Mitch McConnnell and others who are
>still there today), had not drained the Treasury by waging two wars
>using unfunded supplementals while simultaneously giving tax cuts to
>his millionaire “base” — and then crashed the economy by defanging
>financial regulations, defunding financial regulators and mismanaging
>the country’s finances through fiscal irresponsibility and
>recklessness.
I bet you thought you were gonna away with stealing that...........
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You stole it from-
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2010/10/04/hey-tea-party-deficit-would-zero-now-if-bush-gop-hadnt-put-2-wars-on-credit-card-and-then-crashed-the-economy/
>$3.9 trillion
>Amount extending the Bush tax cuts for high-income households would
>add to the deficit over the next 10 years. The increase would, “slow
>future economic growth, saddle future generations with sizable
>interest payments, and leave the nation ill-prepared not only for the
>retirement of baby boomers but also for responding to potential future
>crises…”
I bet you thought you were gonna away with stealing that...........
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You stole it from-
http://www.pensitoreview.com/?s=saddle+future+generations+with+sizable
>$52 million
>The fundraising goal of American Crossroads, the “Super PAC” led by
>Karl Rove whose major donors will not be revealed, thanks to
>disclosure filing deadlines, until after the midterm election.
>American Crossroads is one of at least a dozen such rightwing groups,
>which solicit donations from multinational corporations under the
>terms of the “Citizens United” Supreme Court decision.
I bet you thought you were gonna away with stealing that...........
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You stole it from-
http://www.pensitoreview.com/?s=disclosure+filing+deadlines%2C+until+after+the+midterm+election
Sucks to be you..........
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http://www.democrathallofshame.com/
Liar and a Proven Thief. She is the most prolific liar in this
newsgroup and also the most prolific thief of other's writings. She is
also a Stolen Valor stain on America. Note that when you reply to a
Proven Liar you encourage them to continue lying.
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 19:41:19 -0400, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
<PopUl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>$0
>What U.S. deficit would be today if George Bush, with blind obedience
>from his rubberstamp Republicans in the House and and Senate
>(including Rep. John Boehner, Sen. Mitch McConnnell and others who are
>still there today), had not drained the Treasury by waging two wars
>using unfunded supplementals while simultaneously giving tax cuts to
>his millionaire “base” — and then crashed the economy by defanging
>financial regulations, defunding financial regulators and mismanaging
>the country’s finances through fiscal irresponsibility and
>recklessness.
I bet you thought you were gonna away with stealing that...........
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You stole it from-
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2010/10/04/hey-tea-party-deficit-would-zero-now-if-bush-gop-hadnt-put-2-wars-on-credit-card-and-then-crashed-the-economy/
>$3.9 trillion
>Amount extending the Bush tax cuts for high-income households would
>add to the deficit over the next 10 years. The increase would, “slow
>future economic growth, saddle future generations with sizable
>interest payments, and leave the nation ill-prepared not only for the
>retirement of baby boomers but also for responding to potential future
>crises…”
I bet you thought you were gonna away with stealing that...........
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You stole it from-
http://www.pensitoreview.com/?s=saddle+future+generations+with+sizable
>$52 million
>The fundraising goal of American Crossroads, the “Super PAC” led by
>Karl Rove whose major donors will not be revealed, thanks to
>disclosure filing deadlines, until after the midterm election.
>American Crossroads is one of at least a dozen such rightwing groups,
>which solicit donations from multinational corporations under the
>terms of the “Citizens United” Supreme Court decision.
I bet you thought you were gonna away with stealing that...........
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You stole it from-
http://www.pensitoreview.com/?s=disclosure+filing+deadlines%2C+until+after+the+midterm+election
Sucks to be you..........
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NotMe
May 22, 2012, 10:29:59 PM5/22/12
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"Tracey12" <tracey...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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won't have a bit of impact on electric bills.
NotMe
May 22, 2012, 10:31:09 PM5/22/12
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And you know this how?
Tracey12
May 22, 2012, 11:24:20 PM5/22/12
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On May 22, 9:31 pm, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> "Tracey12" <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote in message
A documentary on TV discussed the cost and lifespan of commercial
solar cells.
It was stated that many cells last 8 years and cost so much that they
don't pay off in the end.
That may or may not be true and I have not bothered to read more on
the issue at this point.
If I put up a solar farm, I hope the cells will last a long time.
Hail is a scary thought.
> "Tracey12" <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote in message
solar cells.
It was stated that many cells last 8 years and cost so much that they
don't pay off in the end.
That may or may not be true and I have not bothered to read more on
the issue at this point.
If I put up a solar farm, I hope the cells will last a long time.
Hail is a scary thought.
duke
May 23, 2012, 7:16:32 AM5/23/12
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duke - American American
*****
2012 - end of an error
Vote Republican in 2012
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• R. L. Measures.
May 23, 2012, 9:45:35 AM5/23/12
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In article <rmhpr7pbksc1q2ij7...@4ax.com>, duke
of generating it -- and in this area they sell it back to customers for as
much as 31-cents per KWH.
<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 22 May 2012 12:18:55 -0400, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
><PopUl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 22 May 2012 06:37:09 -0700 (PDT), Tracey12
>><tracey...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>America has more natural gas than ever. Natural gas has been under
>>>$2.00 very recently, but speculators are now driving natural gas
>>>through the roof.
>>>
>>>There is no shortage. There is no reason for the much higher prices
>>>for natural gas other than speculators.
>>>
>>>Many electric producers use natural gas to produce electricity. As
>>>speculators drive up the price, so goes your electricity bill.
>>
>>
>>I power my entire ham radio station with solar power.
>>
>>I wired my house so we could use the power mains or solar or wind.
>>Looking now into starting to convert to solar and wind and sell the
>>excess back to the power company.
>
• Southern California Edison buys it at a rate that is less than the cost
>On Tue, 22 May 2012 12:18:55 -0400, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
><PopUl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 22 May 2012 06:37:09 -0700 (PDT), Tracey12
>><tracey...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>America has more natural gas than ever. Natural gas has been under
>>>$2.00 very recently, but speculators are now driving natural gas
>>>through the roof.
>>>
>>>There is no shortage. There is no reason for the much higher prices
>>>for natural gas other than speculators.
>>>
>>>Many electric producers use natural gas to produce electricity. As
>>>speculators drive up the price, so goes your electricity bill.
>>
>>
>>I power my entire ham radio station with solar power.
>>
>>I wired my house so we could use the power mains or solar or wind.
>>Looking now into starting to convert to solar and wind and sell the
>>excess back to the power company.
>
of generating it -- and in this area they sell it back to customers for as
much as 31-cents per KWH.
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
May 23, 2012, 11:46:42 AM5/23/12
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On May 23, 8:45 am, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
> In article <rmhpr7pbksc1q2ij7s6bqb1h4tf4p2m...@4ax.com>, duke
> Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734,www.somis.org- Hide quoted text -
> In article <rmhpr7pbksc1q2ij7s6bqb1h4tf4p2m...@4ax.com>, duke
>
> - Show quoted text -
Tell us. How do you store your solar generated electricity?
> - Show quoted text -
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
May 23, 2012, 11:45:58 AM5/23/12
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>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > How do you store energy on dark days and at night? Or,do you have a
> > generator mounted on a bicycle frame?
>
> Why do you think you're entitled to as much of anything as you
> want...besides someone else telling you so?
>
> Paul- Hide quoted text -
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > How do you store energy on dark days and at night? Or,do you have a
> > generator mounted on a bicycle frame?
>
> Why do you think you're entitled to as much of anything as you
> want...besides someone else telling you so?
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
I ,unlike the modern day progressive,feel like I'm "entitled" to
> - Show quoted text -
#1:What is guaranteed by the Bill of Rights and the Constitution #2:
What I work for and pay for #3: My opinion
If you have a problem with it I'll gladly drop my Levi's and let you
kiss my firm,well rounded,tanned buttocks.
NotMe
May 24, 2012, 3:10:34 AM5/24/12
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Texas has a net billing law. We sell power to the utility when they need it
most and buy power when we need it. In the end game we swap a few bucks one
way or the other at the end of each month.
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most and buy power when we need it. In the end game we swap a few bucks one
way or the other at the end of each month.
NotMe
May 24, 2012, 3:16:55 AM5/24/12
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We had a place in the NC mountains that has been off grid for over 20 years.
Solar cells are still going strong. Wing generator has had the bearings
replace a few times but nothing unexpected.
Tornados and hurricanes are more of a problem than hail. BTDT with all
three as well as a few ice storms.
Physical damage from storms is typically covered by insurance. Unless of
course you elect to go bear.
Your money your choice.
We had a place in the NC mountains that has been off grid for over 20 years.
Solar cells are still going strong. Wing generator has had the bearings
replace a few times but nothing unexpected.
Tornados and hurricanes are more of a problem than hail. BTDT with all
three as well as a few ice storms.
Physical damage from storms is typically covered by insurance. Unless of
course you elect to go bear.
Your money your choice.
NotMe
May 24, 2012, 3:18:52 AM5/24/12
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Don't know about the OP but most use a) battery banks b) in states like
Texas with net billing the storage is in/on the grid.
Don't know about the OP but most use a) battery banks b) in states like
Texas with net billing the storage is in/on the grid.
Jay Herblock
May 24, 2012, 4:01:41 AM5/24/12
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On May 24, 3:18 am, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E" <burtonu...@gmail.com>
> wrote in messagenews:e014b31f-6c30-4648...@v26g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E" <burtonu...@gmail.com>
> On May 23, 8:45 am, r...@somis.org (• R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>
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> > In article <rmhpr7pbksc1q2ij7s6bqb1h4tf4p2m...@4ax.com>, duke
>
> > <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> > >On Tue, 22 May 2012 12:18:55 -0400, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
> > ><PopUlist...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>On Tue, 22 May 2012 06:37:09 -0700 (PDT), Tracey12
> > >><tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>America has more natural gas than ever. Natural gas has been under
> > >>>$2.00 very recently, but speculators are now driving natural gas
> > >>>through the roof.
>
> > >>>There is no shortage. There is no reason for the much higher prices
> > >>>for natural gas other than speculators.
>
> > >>>Many electric producers use natural gas to produce electricity. As
> > >>>speculators drive up the price, so goes your electricity bill.
>
> > >>I power my entire ham radio station with solar power.
>
> > >>I wired my house so we could use the power mains or solar or wind.
> > >>Looking now into starting to convert to solar and wind and sell the
> > >>excess back to the power company.
>
> > • Southern California Edison buys it at a rate that is less than the cost
> > of generating it -- and in this area they sell it back to customers for as
> > much as 31-cents per KWH.
>
> > --
> > Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734,www.somis.org-Hide quoted text -
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> > In article <rmhpr7pbksc1q2ij7s6bqb1h4tf4p2m...@4ax.com>, duke
>
> > <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> > >On Tue, 22 May 2012 12:18:55 -0400, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
> > ><PopUlist...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>On Tue, 22 May 2012 06:37:09 -0700 (PDT), Tracey12
> > >><tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>America has more natural gas than ever. Natural gas has been under
> > >>>$2.00 very recently, but speculators are now driving natural gas
> > >>>through the roof.
>
> > >>>There is no shortage. There is no reason for the much higher prices
> > >>>for natural gas other than speculators.
>
> > >>>Many electric producers use natural gas to produce electricity. As
> > >>>speculators drive up the price, so goes your electricity bill.
>
> > >>I power my entire ham radio station with solar power.
>
> > >>I wired my house so we could use the power mains or solar or wind.
> > >>Looking now into starting to convert to solar and wind and sell the
> > >>excess back to the power company.
>
> > • Southern California Edison buys it at a rate that is less than the cost
> > of generating it -- and in this area they sell it back to customers for as
> > much as 31-cents per KWH.
>
> > --
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> Tell us. How do you store your solar generated electricity?
You pump water uphill during peak sunlight, and run it downhill thru
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Tell us. How do you store your solar generated electricity?
generators at night.
• R. L. Measures.
May 24, 2012, 9:07:37 AM5/24/12
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In article
<83ac412d-fa6b-413d...@cu1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>On May 22, 4:29=A0pm, r...@somis.org (=95 R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>> In article
>> <00061ceb-7083-4222-b9b5-db8554baf...@8g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tracey12 <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On May 22, 11:18=3DA0am, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
>> >too.
>> >At least I could lower the amount used from the power company. =A0You
>> >just
>> >have to make sure your devices will last long enough to pay off. =A0Most
during sunny days -- during which time the electric meter turns backwards
unless you made the mistake of having a new "Smart Meter" installed. For
electric utilities Smart Meters are very smart. For consumers, not. .
During hours of darkness one draws energy from the electric grid and the
electric meter unwinds. Sometimes our electric bill is $0.00. My
next-door neighbor's bill was $259 last month.
<83ac412d-fa6b-413d...@cu1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
"Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E" <burto...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On May 22, 4:29=A0pm, r...@somis.org (=95 R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>> In article
>> <00061ceb-7083-4222-b9b5-db8554baf...@8g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tracey12 <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ><PopUlist...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 22 May 2012 06:37:09 -0700 (PDT), Tracey12
>>
>> >> <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >America has more natural gas than ever. =3DA0Natural gas has been und=
>> >> On Tue, 22 May 2012 06:37:09 -0700 (PDT), Tracey12
>>
>> >> <tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>er
>> >> >$2.00 very recently, but speculators are now driving natural gas
>> >> >through the roof.
>>
>> >> >There is no shortage. =3DA0There is no reason for the much higher pri=
>> >> >$2.00 very recently, but speculators are now driving natural gas
>> >> >through the roof.
>>
>ces
>> >> >for natural gas other than speculators.
>>
>> >> >Many electric producers use natural gas to produce electricity. =3DA0=
>> >> >for natural gas other than speculators.
>>
>As
>> >> >speculators drive up the price, so goes your electricity bill.
>>
>> >> I power my entire ham radio station with solar power.
>>
>> >> I wired my house so we could use the power mains or solar or wind.
>> >> Looking now into starting to convert to solar and wind and sell the
>> >> excess back to the power company.
>>
>> >Really great idea. =A0I've been thinking about wind and some solar,
>> >> >speculators drive up the price, so goes your electricity bill.
>>
>> >> I power my entire ham radio station with solar power.
>>
>> >> I wired my house so we could use the power mains or solar or wind.
>> >> Looking now into starting to convert to solar and wind and sell the
>> >> excess back to the power company.
>>
>> >too.
>> >At least I could lower the amount used from the power company. =A0You
>> >just
>> >have to make sure your devices will last long enough to pay off. =A0Most
>> >solar
>> >cells have an 8 year lifespan as of today.
>>
>> =95 =A0The Kyocera panels I use have a 20-yr guarantee. =A0They were mfg =
>> >cells have an 8 year lifespan as of today.
>>
>in 2006
>> and they are showing no sign of dropoff.
>>
>> --
>> Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =A0805-386-3734,www.somis.org- Hide quoted tex=
>> and they are showing no sign of dropoff.
>>
>> --
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>
>How do you store energy on dark days and at night? Or,do you have a
>generator mounted on a bicycle frame?
• With a grid-tie system you pump excess KWH back into the electric grid
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>How do you store energy on dark days and at night? Or,do you have a
>generator mounted on a bicycle frame?
during sunny days -- during which time the electric meter turns backwards
unless you made the mistake of having a new "Smart Meter" installed. For
electric utilities Smart Meters are very smart. For consumers, not. .
During hours of darkness one draws energy from the electric grid and the
electric meter unwinds. Sometimes our electric bill is $0.00. My
next-door neighbor's bill was $259 last month.
• R. L. Measures.
May 24, 2012, 9:09:57 AM5/24/12
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In article
<e014b31f-6c30-4648...@v26g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
> cost
>> of generating it -- and in this area they sell it back to customers for a=
other people's air conditioners.
<e014b31f-6c30-4648...@v26g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
>On May 23, 8:45=A0am, r...@somis.org (=95 R. L. Measures.) wrote:
>> In article <rmhpr7pbksc1q2ij7s6bqb1h4tf4p2m...@4ax.com>, duke
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >On Tue, 22 May 2012 12:18:55 -0400, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
>> ><PopUlist...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>On Tue, 22 May 2012 06:37:09 -0700 (PDT), Tracey12
>> >><tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>America has more natural gas than ever. =A0Natural gas has been under
>> In article <rmhpr7pbksc1q2ij7s6bqb1h4tf4p2m...@4ax.com>, duke
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >On Tue, 22 May 2012 12:18:55 -0400, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
>> ><PopUlist...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>On Tue, 22 May 2012 06:37:09 -0700 (PDT), Tracey12
>> >><tracey12em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>$2.00 very recently, but speculators are now driving natural gas
>> >>>through the roof.
>>
>> >>>There is no shortage. =A0There is no reason for the much higher prices
>> >>>through the roof.
>>
>> >>>for natural gas other than speculators.
>>
>> >>>Many electric producers use natural gas to produce electricity. =A0As
>>
>> >>>speculators drive up the price, so goes your electricity bill.
>>
>> >>I power my entire ham radio station with solar power.
>>
>> >>I wired my house so we could use the power mains or solar or wind.
>> >>Looking now into starting to convert to solar and wind and sell the
>> >>excess back to the power company.
>>
>> =95 =A0Southern California Edison buys it at a rate that is less than the=
>>
>> >>I power my entire ham radio station with solar power.
>>
>> >>I wired my house so we could use the power mains or solar or wind.
>> >>Looking now into starting to convert to solar and wind and sell the
>> >>excess back to the power company.
>>
> cost
>> of generating it -- and in this area they sell it back to customers for a=
>s
>> much as 31-cents per KWH.
>>
>> --
>> much as 31-cents per KWH.
>>
>> --
>> Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =A0805-386-3734,www.somis.org- Hide quoted tex=
>t -
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>Tell us. How do you store your solar generated electricity?
*** I pump it back into the electric grid during sunny days to power
>>
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>
>Tell us. How do you store your solar generated electricity?
other people's air conditioners.
Alan Ferris
May 24, 2012, 1:05:07 PM5/24/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 17:46:03 -0700 (PDT), "Robert Westergrom,1900
Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E" <burto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>How do you store energy on dark days and at night? Or,do you have a
>generator mounted on a bicycle frame?
A decent set of traction batteries are good, or you can go for the
Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E" <burto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>How do you store energy on dark days and at night? Or,do you have a
>generator mounted on a bicycle frame?
more expensive Lithium batteries. That an a inverter/charger and away
you go. People have been managing like this for ages.
Last year I visited a farm where they had both solar and wind
generation and he was using the energy to run a hydrogen production
unit that produced enough fuel for the farm vehicles and also to run a
generator when energy levels were particularly low.
The setup costs were very high, but as he is producing his own fuel it
is likely to pay back in 5 years.
--
Ferrit
()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
(")_(")
Alan Ferris
May 24, 2012, 1:09:57 PM5/24/12
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years. The manual that came with them stated they would loose approx
1% per year.
I would expect it would depend on the quality of the panels in the
first place.
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
May 24, 2012, 1:26:04 PM5/24/12
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On May 24, 12:05 pm, Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 May 2012 17:46:03 -0700 (PDT), "Robert Westergrom,1900
>
> On Tue, 22 May 2012 17:46:03 -0700 (PDT), "Robert Westergrom,1900
>
> Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E" <burtonu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >How do you store energy on dark days and at night? Or,do you have a
> >generator mounted on a bicycle frame?
>
> A decent set of traction batteries are good, or you can go for the
> more expensive Lithium batteries. That an a inverter/charger and away
> you go. People have been managing like this for ages.
>
> Last year I visited a farm where they had both solar and wind
> generation and he was using the energy to run a hydrogen production
> unit that produced enough fuel for the farm vehicles and also to run a
> generator when energy levels were particularly low.
>
> The setup costs were very high, but as he is producing his own fuel it
> is likely to pay back in 5 years.
>
Until it comes time to replace/dispose of the batteries. Hey,if you
>
> >How do you store energy on dark days and at night? Or,do you have a
> >generator mounted on a bicycle frame?
>
> A decent set of traction batteries are good, or you can go for the
> more expensive Lithium batteries. That an a inverter/charger and away
> you go. People have been managing like this for ages.
>
> Last year I visited a farm where they had both solar and wind
> generation and he was using the energy to run a hydrogen production
> unit that produced enough fuel for the farm vehicles and also to run a
> generator when energy levels were particularly low.
>
> The setup costs were very high, but as he is producing his own fuel it
> is likely to pay back in 5 years.
>
want to throw away $thousands of dollars on windmills(bird
cuisanarts),solar cells,storage batteries and hydrogen production
units be my guest if it makes you sleep better at night. Just don't
try and tell other people how to run their lives.
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
May 24, 2012, 1:22:09 PM5/24/12
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> <83ac412d-fa6b-413d-9db2-17ef1eb99...@cu1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E" <burtonu...@gmail.com>
> >> Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =A0805-386-3734,www.somis.org-Hide quoted tex=
http://www.wboc.com/story/18598712/mandatory-smart-meters-cause-debate-in-maryland
DELMAR, Md.- In Delaware, power customers do not have a choice when it
comes to smart meters. They are promoted by power companies as a way
to save electricity and money through better monitoring. But in
Maryland, it is a different story.
Some argue that the meters are just plain dangerous.
> "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E" <burtonu...@gmail.com>
> >t -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >How do you store energy on dark days and at night? Or,do you have a
> >generator mounted on a bicycle frame?
>
> • With a grid-tie system you pump excess KWH back into the electric grid
> during sunny days -- during which time the electric meter turns backwards
> unless you made the mistake of having a new "Smart Meter" installed. For
> electric utilities Smart Meters are very smart. For consumers, not. .
> During hours of darkness one draws energy from the electric grid and the
> electric meter unwinds. Sometimes our electric bill is $0.00. My
> next-door neighbor's bill was $259 last month.
>
> --
> Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734,www.somis.org- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >How do you store energy on dark days and at night? Or,do you have a
> >generator mounted on a bicycle frame?
>
> • With a grid-tie system you pump excess KWH back into the electric grid
> during sunny days -- during which time the electric meter turns backwards
> unless you made the mistake of having a new "Smart Meter" installed. For
> electric utilities Smart Meters are very smart. For consumers, not. .
> During hours of darkness one draws energy from the electric grid and the
> electric meter unwinds. Sometimes our electric bill is $0.00. My
> next-door neighbor's bill was $259 last month.
>
> --
>
> - Show quoted text -
"Mistake" ?? In some states they are mandatory.
> - Show quoted text -
http://www.wboc.com/story/18598712/mandatory-smart-meters-cause-debate-in-maryland
DELMAR, Md.- In Delaware, power customers do not have a choice when it
comes to smart meters. They are promoted by power companies as a way
to save electricity and money through better monitoring. But in
Maryland, it is a different story.
Some argue that the meters are just plain dangerous.
NotMe
May 24, 2012, 4:05:52 PM5/24/12
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on the up hill/down hill but that depends on where you live some parts of
the country there is no useful up or down hill. As example most of the
coastal land south of I10 the change in elevation is ~ 10ft per 100 miles
some <10ft / 200 miles.
That said there are many proven engineering options that do well to store
energy.
NotMe
May 24, 2012, 4:08:13 PM5/24/12
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". R. L. Measures." <r...@somis.org> wrote in message
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in the NC mountains that has been off grid for 20+ years.
NotMe
May 24, 2012, 4:13:02 PM5/24/12
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Batteries wear out but don't go away. Properly managed they can last 50
years or more. It's standard industry practice with telecommunications
systems to replace batteries at the 30 year mark.
Even so when the are stone dead they can be recycled and the material used
to make new batteries.
Even auto batteries where folk are charged a core charge have a salvage
value in excess of the core fee.
news:ba036492-08ef-4937...@f14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
Batteries wear out but don't go away. Properly managed they can last 50
years or more. It's standard industry practice with telecommunications
systems to replace batteries at the 30 year mark.
Even so when the are stone dead they can be recycled and the material used
to make new batteries.
Even auto batteries where folk are charged a core charge have a salvage
value in excess of the core fee.
• R. L. Measures.
May 24, 2012, 5:15:04 PM5/24/12
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In article <2bqsr7h6mf4ur9ipp...@4ax.com>, Alan Ferris
• At a utility company price of 31-¢ per KWH, PV cells are a money
saver. The current price of a 5000W grid-tie PV ststem is c. $11,000. .
The roof area requirement is 540 sq-ft.
saver. The current price of a 5000W grid-tie PV ststem is c. $11,000. .
The roof area requirement is 540 sq-ft.
Alan Ferris
May 24, 2012, 5:41:13 PM5/24/12
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robw
May 24, 2012, 5:20:08 PM5/24/12
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On May 24, 1:22 pm, "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"
> > >> Richard L. Measures. AG6K, =A0805-386-3734begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 805-386-3734 end_of_the_skype_highlighting,www.somis.org-Hidequoted tex=
You're not posting from DE.
You're a fraud.
> > >t -
>
> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > >How do you store energy on dark days and at night? Or,do you have a
> > >generator mounted on a bicycle frame?
>
> > • With a grid-tie system you pump excess KWH back into the electric grid
> > during sunny days -- during which time the electric meter turns backwards
> > unless you made the mistake of having a new "Smart Meter" installed. For
> > electric utilities Smart Meters are very smart. For consumers, not. .
> > During hours of darkness one draws energy from the electric grid and the
> > electric meter unwinds. Sometimes our electric bill is $0.00. My
> > next-door neighbor's bill was $259 last month.
>
> > --
> > Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734,www.somis.org-Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > >How do you store energy on dark days and at night? Or,do you have a
> > >generator mounted on a bicycle frame?
>
> > • With a grid-tie system you pump excess KWH back into the electric grid
> > during sunny days -- during which time the electric meter turns backwards
> > unless you made the mistake of having a new "Smart Meter" installed. For
> > electric utilities Smart Meters are very smart. For consumers, not. .
> > During hours of darkness one draws energy from the electric grid and the
> > electric meter unwinds. Sometimes our electric bill is $0.00. My
> > next-door neighbor's bill was $259 last month.
>
> > --
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> "Mistake" ?? In some states they are mandatory.
>
> http://www.wboc.com/story/18598712/mandatory-smart-meters-cause-debat...
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> "Mistake" ?? In some states they are mandatory.
>
>
> DELMAR, Md.- In Delaware, power customers do not have a choice when it
> comes to smart meters. They are promoted by power companies as a way
> to save electricity and money through better monitoring. But in
> Maryland, it is a different story.
>
> Some argue that the meters are just plain dangerous.
You don't live in DE.
> DELMAR, Md.- In Delaware, power customers do not have a choice when it
> comes to smart meters. They are promoted by power companies as a way
> to save electricity and money through better monitoring. But in
> Maryland, it is a different story.
>
> Some argue that the meters are just plain dangerous.
You're not posting from DE.
You're a fraud.
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
May 24, 2012, 5:49:58 PM5/24/12
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>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > "Mistake" ?? In some states they are mandatory.
>
> >http://www.wboc.com/story/18598712/mandatory-smart-meters-cause-debat...
>
> > DELMAR, Md.- In Delaware, power customers do not have a choice when it
> > comes to smart meters. They are promoted by power companies as a way
> > to save electricity and money through better monitoring. But in
> > Maryland, it is a different story.
>
> > Some argue that the meters are just plain dangerous.
>
> You don't live in DE.
> You're not posting from DE.
>
> You're a fraud.- Hide quoted text -
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > "Mistake" ?? In some states they are mandatory.
>
> >http://www.wboc.com/story/18598712/mandatory-smart-meters-cause-debat...
>
> > DELMAR, Md.- In Delaware, power customers do not have a choice when it
> > comes to smart meters. They are promoted by power companies as a way
> > to save electricity and money through better monitoring. But in
> > Maryland, it is a different story.
>
> > Some argue that the meters are just plain dangerous.
>
> You don't live in DE.
> You're not posting from DE.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
But you do. And you do. And you are. Idiot
> - Show quoted text -
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
May 24, 2012, 5:49:25 PM5/24/12
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Merle Eden Mazza
May 24, 2012, 8:08:06 PM5/24/12
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Real name Erika. A 4' 6" pygmy nigger, probably wider than she is
tall.
Robert W Westergom (59 years old)
Erika Westergom (Borders in Chestnut Hill, PA)
1900 Harvey Rd
Wilmington, DE 19810
302-475-5496
She claims to live in Philly but has never posted from Philly. She
mainly posts from a Delaware Public Library or a Barnes & Noble in the
Wilmington, DE, area using free wifi. She also uses free Google
Groups on a borrowed laptop. In her entire life she has contributed
absolutely nothing to society. Lies frequently but after many
beatings has become another usenet zoo monkey. Liars, once they have
been exposed, frequently revert to behavior most similar to a zoo
monkey who sits in the cage throwing feces at passersby but saying
nothing of value. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
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The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
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tall.
Robert W Westergom (59 years old)
Erika Westergom (Borders in Chestnut Hill, PA)
1900 Harvey Rd
Wilmington, DE 19810
302-475-5496
She claims to live in Philly but has never posted from Philly. She
mainly posts from a Delaware Public Library or a Barnes & Noble in the
Wilmington, DE, area using free wifi. She also uses free Google
Groups on a borrowed laptop. In her entire life she has contributed
absolutely nothing to society. Lies frequently but after many
beatings has become another usenet zoo monkey. Liars, once they have
been exposed, frequently revert to behavior most similar to a zoo
monkey who sits in the cage throwing feces at passersby but saying
nothing of value. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
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</h1>
<div class="info-container">
<div class="inner-border clear-fix">
<h2 class="info-top">
404 (Page Not Found) Error
</h2>
<div class="site-owner-404">
<h3>If you're the <strong>site owner,</strong> one
of two things happened:</h3>
<ol>
<li>
1) You entered an incorrect URL into your
browser's address bar, or
</li>
<li>
2) You haven't uploaded content.
</li>
</ol>
</div>
<div class="site-visitor-404">
<h3>If you're a <strong>visitor</strong> and not
sure what happened:</h3>
<ol>
<li>
1) You entered or copied the URL
incorrectly or
</li>
<li>
2) The link you used to get here is
faulty.
</li>
<li class="last">
(It's an excellent idea to let the link
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</li>
</ol>
</div>
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Lacy Pringle
May 24, 2012, 8:09:01 PM5/24/12
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Lora D. (previously posted as "Uno Hu," currently posting as "Jay
Herblock") is a complete crackpot. Believes 9/11 was an inside job,
has seen UFOs and black helicopters and is on a first-name basis with
ass-probing space aliens... Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar
wrote:
>On Mar 20, 12:36 pm, Patriot Games <Patr...@america.com> wrote:
>> http://mobile.reuters.com/mobile/m/FullArticle/CUSN/ndomesticNews_uUS...
>> Unemployment soars in U.S. metropolitan areas
>> Fri, Mar 19 2010
>> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Unemployment rates in 363 U.S. metropolitan
>> areas rose in January, and 346 areas reported year-on-year declines in
>> their number of jobs, the Labor Department said on Friday.
>The national real unemployment rate was already 20% when Dumbya left
>office.
Oops! Caught LYING:
Percent Unemployed 15 Weeks & over
Bush 1/2001: 21.5%
Buckwheat 2/2010: 57.8%
Buckwheat 169%% WORSE Than Bush...
Buckwheat is a TOTAL FAILURE:
Average Weeks Unemployed
Bush 1/2001: 12.2 (1/2002: 14.1) Increase = 15%
Buckwheat 1/2009: 18.8 (1/2010: 28.9) Increase = 54%
Buckwheat 260% WORSE Than Bush...
Median Weeks Unemployed
Bush 1/2001: 5.5 (1/2002: 8.1) Increase = 47%
Buckwheat 1/2009: 10.0 (1/2010: 18.6) Increase = 86%
Buckwheat 83% WORSE Than Bush...
Percent Unemployed 15-26 Weeks
Bush 1/2001: 10.7%
Buckwheat 1/2009: 18.5%
Buckwheat 73% WORSE Than Bush...
Percent Unemployed 27 Weeks & over
Bush 1/2001: 10.8% (1/2002: 13.8%) Increase = 28%
Buckwheat 1/2009: 21.1% (1/2010: 39.8%) Increase = 88%
Buckwheat 214% WORSE Than Bush...
http://www.bls.gov/webapps/legacy/cpsatab12.htm
=== Update ========================
On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:02:36 -0700 (PDT), lorad <lora...@cs.com>
wrote:
>Patriot Games wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:56:29 -0700 (PDT), lorad <lora...@cs.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Mar 20, 12:36?pm, Patriot Games <Patr...@america.com> wrote:
>> >> http://mobile.reuters.com/mobile/m/FullArticle/CUSN/ndomesticNews_uUS...
>> >> Unemployment soars in U.S. metropolitan areas
>> >> Fri, Mar 19 2010
>> >> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Unemployment rates in 363 U.S. metropolitan
>> >> areas rose in January, and 346 areas reported year-on-year declines in
>> >> their number of jobs, the Labor Department said on Friday.
>> >The national real unemployment rate was already 20% when Dumbya left
>> >office.
>> Oops! Caught LYING:
>> Percent Unemployed 15 Weeks & over
>> Bush 1/2001: 21.5%
>> Buckwheat 2/2010: 57.8%
>Umm yeah there dumbo.
>Like I said; "The national real unemployment rate was already 20% when
>Dumbya left office."
>And here's an additional assessment:
>"So, in the interest of comparing apples to apples, it's important to
>remember that using the same ridiculous method of counting, the
>unemployment rate today is 22 percent. Officially, the Bureau of Labor
>Statistics says the total workforce is 155.4 million workers, and says
>11.1 million workers in that workforce are unemployed - a 7.2 percent
>unemployment rate. But when you add the 22.5 million workers who BLS
>says work for the government to the 11.1 million officially unemployed
>workers, that unemployment rate is roughly 22 percent. Posted January
>10, 2009"
>http://rawstory.com/2009/2009/11/real-unemployment-rate-stands-175/
>And please do stop your incessant lying.
Bwahahahahahaha!!!
That quote DOES NOT EXIST on THAT CITE!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA!!!
You said: "The national real unemployment rate was already 20% when
Dumbya left office."
YOUR CITE SAYS: "The previous recorded high was 17.1 percent, in
December 1982."
YOU LIED!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Posted from:
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http://www.democrathallofshame.com/
Herblock") is a complete crackpot. Believes 9/11 was an inside job,
has seen UFOs and black helicopters and is on a first-name basis with
ass-probing space aliens... Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar
you encourage them to continue lying.
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:56:29 -0700 (PDT), lorad <lora...@cs.com>
[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"
wrote:
>On Mar 20, 12:36 pm, Patriot Games <Patr...@america.com> wrote:
>> http://mobile.reuters.com/mobile/m/FullArticle/CUSN/ndomesticNews_uUS...
>> Unemployment soars in U.S. metropolitan areas
>> Fri, Mar 19 2010
>> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Unemployment rates in 363 U.S. metropolitan
>> areas rose in January, and 346 areas reported year-on-year declines in
>> their number of jobs, the Labor Department said on Friday.
>The national real unemployment rate was already 20% when Dumbya left
>office.
Oops! Caught LYING:
Percent Unemployed 15 Weeks & over
Bush 1/2001: 21.5%
Buckwheat 2/2010: 57.8%
Buckwheat 169%% WORSE Than Bush...
Buckwheat is a TOTAL FAILURE:
Average Weeks Unemployed
Bush 1/2001: 12.2 (1/2002: 14.1) Increase = 15%
Buckwheat 1/2009: 18.8 (1/2010: 28.9) Increase = 54%
Buckwheat 260% WORSE Than Bush...
Median Weeks Unemployed
Bush 1/2001: 5.5 (1/2002: 8.1) Increase = 47%
Buckwheat 1/2009: 10.0 (1/2010: 18.6) Increase = 86%
Buckwheat 83% WORSE Than Bush...
Percent Unemployed 15-26 Weeks
Bush 1/2001: 10.7%
Buckwheat 1/2009: 18.5%
Buckwheat 73% WORSE Than Bush...
Percent Unemployed 27 Weeks & over
Bush 1/2001: 10.8% (1/2002: 13.8%) Increase = 28%
Buckwheat 1/2009: 21.1% (1/2010: 39.8%) Increase = 88%
Buckwheat 214% WORSE Than Bush...
http://www.bls.gov/webapps/legacy/cpsatab12.htm
=== Update ========================
On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:02:36 -0700 (PDT), lorad <lora...@cs.com>
wrote:
>Patriot Games wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:56:29 -0700 (PDT), lorad <lora...@cs.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Mar 20, 12:36?pm, Patriot Games <Patr...@america.com> wrote:
>> >> http://mobile.reuters.com/mobile/m/FullArticle/CUSN/ndomesticNews_uUS...
>> >> Unemployment soars in U.S. metropolitan areas
>> >> Fri, Mar 19 2010
>> >> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Unemployment rates in 363 U.S. metropolitan
>> >> areas rose in January, and 346 areas reported year-on-year declines in
>> >> their number of jobs, the Labor Department said on Friday.
>> >The national real unemployment rate was already 20% when Dumbya left
>> >office.
>> Oops! Caught LYING:
>> Percent Unemployed 15 Weeks & over
>> Bush 1/2001: 21.5%
>> Buckwheat 2/2010: 57.8%
>Umm yeah there dumbo.
>Like I said; "The national real unemployment rate was already 20% when
>Dumbya left office."
>And here's an additional assessment:
>"So, in the interest of comparing apples to apples, it's important to
>remember that using the same ridiculous method of counting, the
>unemployment rate today is 22 percent. Officially, the Bureau of Labor
>Statistics says the total workforce is 155.4 million workers, and says
>11.1 million workers in that workforce are unemployed - a 7.2 percent
>unemployment rate. But when you add the 22.5 million workers who BLS
>says work for the government to the 11.1 million officially unemployed
>workers, that unemployment rate is roughly 22 percent. Posted January
>10, 2009"
>http://rawstory.com/2009/2009/11/real-unemployment-rate-stands-175/
>And please do stop your incessant lying.
Bwahahahahahaha!!!
That quote DOES NOT EXIST on THAT CITE!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA!!!
You said: "The national real unemployment rate was already 20% when
Dumbya left office."
YOUR CITE SAYS: "The previous recorded high was 17.1 percent, in
December 1982."
YOU LIED!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Posted from:
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http://www.democrathallofshame.com/
Paul Duca
May 28, 2012, 1:21:48 AM5/28/12
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On May 24, 1:26 pm, "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"
company wants to build a coal mine w/power plant near HIS house....
Paul
<burtonu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 24, 12:05 pm, Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 22 May 2012 17:46:03 -0700 (PDT), "Robert Westergrom,1900
>
> > Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E" <burtonu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >How do you store energy on dark days and at night? Or,do you have a
> > >generator mounted on a bicycle frame?
>
> > A decent set of traction batteries are good, or you can go for the
> > more expensive Lithium batteries. That an a inverter/charger and away
> > you go. People have been managing like this for ages.
>
> > Last year I visited a farm where they had both solar and wind
> > generation and he was using the energy to run a hydrogen production
> > unit that produced enough fuel for the farm vehicles and also to run a
> > generator when energy levels were particularly low.
>
> > The setup costs were very high, but as he is producing his own fuel it
> > is likely to pay back in 5 years.
>
> Until it comes time to replace/dispose of the batteries. Hey,if you
> want to throw away $thousands of dollars on windmills(bird
> cuisanarts),solar cells,storage batteries and hydrogen production
> units be my guest if it makes you sleep better at night. Just don't
> try and tell other people how to run their lives.
>
Don't worry, Alan...just wait for Robert's response when the power
> On May 24, 12:05 pm, Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 22 May 2012 17:46:03 -0700 (PDT), "Robert Westergrom,1900
>
> > Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E" <burtonu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >How do you store energy on dark days and at night? Or,do you have a
> > >generator mounted on a bicycle frame?
>
> > A decent set of traction batteries are good, or you can go for the
> > more expensive Lithium batteries. That an a inverter/charger and away
> > you go. People have been managing like this for ages.
>
> > Last year I visited a farm where they had both solar and wind
> > generation and he was using the energy to run a hydrogen production
> > unit that produced enough fuel for the farm vehicles and also to run a
> > generator when energy levels were particularly low.
>
> > The setup costs were very high, but as he is producing his own fuel it
> > is likely to pay back in 5 years.
>
> Until it comes time to replace/dispose of the batteries. Hey,if you
> want to throw away $thousands of dollars on windmills(bird
> cuisanarts),solar cells,storage batteries and hydrogen production
> units be my guest if it makes you sleep better at night. Just don't
> try and tell other people how to run their lives.
>
company wants to build a coal mine w/power plant near HIS house....
Paul
Paul Duca
May 28, 2012, 1:26:10 AM5/28/12
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Paul
Paul Duca
May 28, 2012, 1:25:27 AM5/28/12
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On May 23, 11:45 am, "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey
> > > > Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734,www.somis.org-Hidequotedtext -
One kick and you'll be on your fat face and belly....
Paul
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > How do you store energy on dark days and at night? Or,do you have a
> > > generator mounted on a bicycle frame?
>
> > Why do you think you're entitled to as much of anything as you
> > want...besides someone else telling you so?
>
>
> What I work for and pay for is FAR less than I pretend in this group I do...
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > How do you store energy on dark days and at night? Or,do you have a
> > > generator mounted on a bicycle frame?
>
> > Why do you think you're entitled to as much of anything as you
> > want...besides someone else telling you so?
>
>
>
> I'll gladly drop my Levi's and let you
> kiss my firm,well rounded,tanned buttocks, since I can't get any woman to do so.
> I'll gladly drop my Levi's and let you
One kick and you'll be on your fat face and belly....
Paul
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