> On 10/12/2012 10:44 PM, Tom Farnsworth wrote:
> > On 10/12/2012 10:14 PM, carl wrote:
> >> Well in other opinions. Any war from begining of the world to today.
> >> War has
> >> been fought...and multiple
> >> millions of lives has been lost. To the families around the country...who
> >> has lost loved ones. Was all these
> >> wars been worth it or not? No one can spacifically say. I lost a
> >> brother in
> >> 09...he served in the Navy
> >> on two tours. And in 08 I lost a dad...he fought in the vietnam war. He
> >> servived.. He died at age 78.
> >> My brother died just 6 days before his 54th birthday. To be totally
> >> honest.
> >> Yes all wars are worth it
> >> to obtain freedom. And I'm originally was born in the UK...but raised
> >> in the
> >> US. At least I'm honest
> >> to where I was born..Obama was born in Kenya south Africa. He was
> >> raised in
> >> Hawaii.
> >>> Just exactly what has WWII to do with the country Britain has become?
> > Moose's proposition seems to be that because Britain hasn't turned out
> > as some would like, some 60 years hence, it would have been better if
> > the Nazis had won the war.
> > Now I can't claim to care much for Britain's Gov't of late... but it
> > seems extraordinary to draw from this the conclusion that we would have
> > all been better off if Adolf had conquered the world!
> > It seems to me that Moose should give his head a very hard shake... and
> > if he hears something rattling, he should draw the obvious conclusion.
> >>> "Tom Farnsworth" <tommy100...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:Yq4es.11329$nQ6.3911@newsfe15.iad...
> >>>> On 10/12/2012 5:56 AM, A Moose in Love wrote:
> >>>> Just exactly what has WWII to do with the country Britain has become?
> >> Moose's proposition seems to be that because Britain hasn't turned out
> >> as some would like, some 60 years hence, it would have been better if
> >> the Nazis had won the war.
> > How did you come up with that stupid conclusion?
> >> Now I can't claim to care much for Britain's Gov't of late... but it
> >> seems extraordinary to draw from this the conclusion that we would have
> >> all been better off if Adolf had conquered the world!
> > How did you come up with that stupid conclusion?
> >> It seems to me that Moose should give his head a very hard shake... and
> >> if he hears something rattling, he should draw the obvious conclusion.
> > Take your own advice.
> > snicker
> er... I read his words... English you know... and rephrased what Mooses > word suggested for clarity...
Many people might ask your question regarding war. WW2 got rid of the Nazis. How
about the Civil War, was it worth it? The Civil War ended slavery.
On the other hand, were the Korean War or the Viet Nam war worth it? Probably not,
but that's just my opinion, I'm sure there are others that would disagree with me but
I can't imagine with what reasoning....AM
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 05:56:15 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love
> <parkstreetboo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Many people might ask your question regarding war. WW2 got rid of the Nazis. How
> about the Civil War, was it worth it? The Civil War ended slavery.
> On the other hand, were the Korean War or the Viet Nam war worth it? Probably not,
> but that's just my opinion, I'm sure there are others that would disagree with me but
> I can't imagine with what reasoning....AM
The Vietnamese War could have been avoided. A fatal blow could have been dealt to the Vietminh at Diem Bien Phu. The French colonial masters asked their allies, the US air support, but that was turned down. The French lost the battle and the colony. A civil war saw the country divided but an a deal was made to divide the country and to hold a vote on re-unification. When it became apparent that the communists were going to win the vote the US backed the corrupt South Vietnamese regime's decision not to hold the election. After rejecting a democratic exercise that would have re-united the country, the US ended up going in to prop up the corrupt the regime under the guise of protecting freedom and liberty.
In article <69d0028c-6371-4cc2-99a5-6e26a0e13...@s18g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Kixi <Kixi_...@Hotmail.ca> wrote:
> On Oct 12, 6:42 am, The Peeler <finishing...@themoronicRevd.invalid>
> wrote:
> > On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 05:56:15 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love with Nazi Scum
> > wrote:
> > > Many British WW2 veterans don't like the Britain of today...
> > <FLUSH yet another huge load of moose droppings>
> > You better ask that the Germans that STARTED the war because they thought
> > they would profit from it!
> The Jews started the war about 24 March 1833 - "Judea Declares War on
> Germany"
In article <res188lv6teaov50pv2pfte9hr2rcaf...@4ax.com>,
AmericanMorn <nos...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 05:56:15 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love
> <parkstreetboo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Many people might ask your question regarding war. WW2 got rid of the Nazis.
But it didn't need the US, France, and England to do it. Had they stayed out of it they would have saved lives, dollars, pounds, and francs, and it all would have been Uncle Joe's problem.
On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 18:52:47 -0400, Dave Smith <adavid.sm...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>On 19/10/2012 2:06 PM, AmericanMorn wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 05:56:15 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love
>> <parkstreetboo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Many people might ask your question regarding war. WW2 got rid of the Nazis. How
>> about the Civil War, was it worth it? The Civil War ended slavery.
>> On the other hand, were the Korean War or the Viet Nam war worth it? Probably not,
>> but that's just my opinion, I'm sure there are others that would disagree with me but
>> I can't imagine with what reasoning....AM
>The Vietnamese War could have been avoided. A fatal blow could have been >dealt to the Vietminh at Diem Bien Phu. The French colonial masters >asked their allies, the US air support, but that was turned down. The >French lost the battle and the colony. A civil war saw the country >divided but an a deal was made to divide the country and to hold a vote >on re-unification. When it became apparent that the communists were >going to win the vote the US backed the corrupt South Vietnamese >regime's decision not to hold the election. After rejecting a democratic >exercise that would have re-united the country, the US ended up going in >to prop up the corrupt the regime under the guise of protecting freedom >and liberty.
On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 20:14:53 -0400, Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>In article <res188lv6teaov50pv2pfte9hr2rcaf...@4ax.com>,
> AmericanMorn <nos...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 05:56:15 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love
>> <parkstreetboo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Many people might ask your question regarding war. WW2 got rid of the Nazis.
>But it didn't need the US, France, and England to do it. Had they >stayed out of it they would have saved lives, dollars, pounds, and >francs, and it all would have been Uncle Joe's problem.
But wasn't there a possibility France and England would have been obliterated by the
time Uncle Joe succeeded?.....AM
On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:14:20 -0700 (PDT), Kixi <Kixi_...@Hotmail.ca>
wrote:
>On Oct 12, 6:42 am, The Peeler <finishing...@themoronicRevd.invalid>
>wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 05:56:15 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love with Nazi Scum
>> wrote:
>> > Many British WW2 veterans don't like the Britain of today...
>> <FLUSH yet another huge load of moose droppings>
>> You better ask that the Germans that STARTED the war because they thought
>> they would profit from it!
>The Jews started the war about 24 March 1833 - "Judea Declares War on
>Germany"
The newspaper reporters wrote about the Jews' declaration of war on
"GERMANY".
Within 6 weeks of Hitler being appointed Chancellor and the new
National Socialist coalition struggling for broader support, the Jews
already had their global organizations whipping up support for their
economic war. They escalated it to a European war then, when that
didn't look like it was enough, a world war. Jews and the banksters
were behind all escalations to WWII and the sabotaging of all peace
moves with the help of their paid servant, Winston Churchill.
>The newspaper reporters wrote about the Jews' declaration of war on
>"GERMANY".
>Within 6 weeks of Hitler being appointed Chancellor and the new
>National Socialist coalition struggling for broader support, the Jews
>already had their global organizations whipping up support for their
>economic war. They escalated it to a European war then, when that
>didn't look like it was enough, a world war. Jews and the banksters
>were behind all escalations to WWII and the sabotaging of all peace
>moves with the help of their paid servant, Winston Churchill.
> >> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 05:56:15 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love
> >> <parkstreetboo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Many people might ask your question regarding war. WW2 got rid of the > >> Nazis.
> >But it didn't need the US, France, and England to do it. Had they > >stayed out of it they would have saved lives, dollars, pounds, and > >francs, and it all would have been Uncle Joe's problem.
> But wasn't there a possibility France and England would have been obliterated > by the time Uncle Joe succeeded?.....AM
France WAS. The only reason Hitler attacked France was because France declared war on her. Hitler never wanted war with England (or France) as evidenced by the fact that after the fall of France (thanks to French aggression) Hitler actively sought peace with England. ONLY when England refused to sign a peace treaty with Germany was Hitler forced to continue the war on England. Had Britain and France not declared war on Hitler in the first place, he would have continued his drive east (look at where Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland are relative to Germany) and run up against Russia. Then Germany and Russia would have beaten each other to bloody pulps leaving France, England, and the US of A as the only powers at full strengh, easily able to kick the shit out of the "winner" of the Germany/Russia confrontation. Look at how weak the European "winners" of WWI were at the end. Even Turkey was able to defy them.
Auschwitz Museum Director
Reveals 'Gas Chamber' Hoax
By P. Samuel Foner
The Spotlight
Volume XIX, Number 2
5-31-4
In a dramatic and unprecedented videotaped interview, Dr. Franciszek
Piper, senior curator and director of archives of the Auschwitz State
Museum admitted on camera that 'Krema 1,' the alleged 'homicidal gas
chamber' shown off to hundreds of thousands of tourists every year at
the Auschwitz main camp, was, in fact, fabricated after the war by the
Soviet Union -apparently on the direct orders of Josef Stalin.
What Piper said - in effect and on camera - was that the explosive
1988 Leuchter Report was correct: no homicidal gassings took place in
the buildings designated as 'homicidal gas chambers' at Auschwitz.
With this admission by none other than the respected head of the
Auschwitz State Museum, one of the most sacred 'facts' of history has
been destroyed. This 'gas chamber' is the major historical 'fact' on
which much of the foreign and domestic policies of all Western nations
since WWII are based.
It is the basis for the $100+ billion in foreign aid the United States
has poured into the state of Israel since its inception in 1948 -
amounting to $16,500 for every man, woman and child in the Jewish
state and billions more paid by Germany in 'reparations' - not to
mention the constructing of Israel's national telephone, electrical
and rail systems...all gifts of the German people. It is the basis for
the $10 billion 'loan' (read 'gift') made to Israel for housing its
immigrants in the occupied territories...while Americans sleep on the
streets and businesses are bankrupted by the thousands. (Note - As of
2004, not a single 'loan' of US tax money made to the state of Israel
by Washington has ever been paid back. -ed)
Germany is paying 'reparations' - the United States is making
major contributions - to atone for the 'gassings at Auschwitz' and
elsewhere. If the 'homicidal gas chambers' were postwar creations of
the Soviets, in which no one was gassed regardless of race, creed,
color or country of national origin, then these 'reparations' were
unnecessary, and were based on fraud.
The videotape on which Dr. Piper makes his revelations was made in
mid-1992 by a young Jewish investigator, David Cole and follows 12
years of intensive investigation by dozens of historians, journalists
and scientists who have tried to get to the bottom of what really
happened at Auschwitz.
Like most Americans, since his youth, Cole had been instructed in the
'irrefutable fact' that mass homicidal gassings had taken place at
Auschwitz. The number of those executed - also declared irrefutable -
was 4.1 million.
Then came the Leuchter Report in 1988 which was followed with an
official 're-evaluation' of the total deaths at Auschwitz (down to 1.1
million). As a budding historian - and a Jew - Cole was intrigued.
Previous to 1992, anyone who publicly doubted or questioned the
official 4.1 millon 'gassing' deaths at Auschwitz was labeled an anti-
semite, neo-nazi skinhead at the very least. Quietly, because of
revisionist findings, the official figure was lowered to 1.1 million.
No mention was made of the missing 3 million.
The Cole videotape interview proves that the people who run the
Auschwitz State Museum had made a practice of fabricating 'proofs' of
homicidal gassings. Keep in mind that over the years millions of
tourists have been told that 'Krema 1' is in its original state, while
officials knew that 'original state' is a lie.
The political, religious, financial and historical ramifications of
this proof of no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz cannot be
measured. Coupled with the Leuchter Report, the Cole interview with
Dr. Piper on videotape proves that what Western governments have
taught about the Auschwitz gas chamber since WWII is a lie. It proves
that what televangelists such as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson have
been telling their flocks is simply not true.
No one, regardless of race, creed, color or country of national origin
was gassed to death in any building so designated at Auschwitz. And
without 'homicidal gas chambers' at Auschwitz, where is the reasoning
for the special treatment of the state of Israel?
Note - This is excerpted from the orginal, much longer article by P.
Samuel Foner.
>> >> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 05:56:15 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love
>> >> <parkstreetboo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Many people might ask your question regarding war. WW2 got rid of the >> >> Nazis.
>> >But it didn't need the US, France, and England to do it. Had they >> >stayed out of it they would have saved lives, dollars, pounds, and >> >francs, and it all would have been Uncle Joe's problem.
>> But wasn't there a possibility France and England would have been obliterated >> by the time Uncle Joe succeeded?.....AM
>France WAS. The only reason Hitler attacked France was because France >declared war on her. Hitler never wanted war with England (or France) >as evidenced by the fact that after the fall of France (thanks to French >aggression) Hitler actively sought peace with England. ONLY when >England refused to sign a peace treaty with Germany was Hitler forced to >continue the war on England. Had Britain and France not declared war on >Hitler in the first place, he would have continued his drive east (look >at where Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland are relative to Germany) and >run up against Russia. Then Germany and Russia would have beaten each >other to bloody pulps leaving France, England, and the US of A as the >only powers at full strengh, easily able to kick the shit out of the >"winner" of the Germany/Russia confrontation. Look at how weak the >European "winners" of WWI were at the end. Even Turkey was able to defy >them.
>> >> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 05:56:15 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love
>> >> <parkstreetboo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Many people might ask your question regarding war. WW2 got rid of the >> >> Nazis.
>> >But it didn't need the US, France, and England to do it. Had they >> >stayed out of it they would have saved lives, dollars, pounds, and >> >francs, and it all would have been Uncle Joe's problem.
>> But wasn't there a possibility France and England would have been obliterated >> by the time Uncle Joe succeeded?.....AM
>France WAS. The only reason Hitler attacked France was because France >declared war on her. Hitler never wanted war with England (or France) >as evidenced by the fact that after the fall of France (thanks to French >aggression) Hitler actively sought peace with England. ONLY when >England refused to sign a peace treaty with Germany was Hitler forced to >continue the war on England. Had Britain and France not declared war on >Hitler in the first place, he would have continued his drive east (look >at where Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland are relative to Germany) and >run up against Russia. Then Germany and Russia would have beaten each >other to bloody pulps leaving France, England, and the US of A as the >only powers at full strengh, easily able to kick the shit out of the >"winner" of the Germany/Russia confrontation. Look at how weak the >European "winners" of WWI were at the end. Even Turkey was able to defy >them.
Very interesting. I don't know how correct you are, but it all certainly sounds
plausible. Wending one's way through all the nonsense and babble that lurks in these
newsgroups it's reassuring to know that in addition to the nonsensical there are many
bright minds here willing to share their knowledge. Thanks....AM
> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 20:53:01 -0400, Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> In article <cli488pkb2nok5jgoramef5vtepnj58...@4ax.com>,
>> AmericanMorn <nos...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 20:14:53 -0400, Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> In article <res188lv6teaov50pv2pfte9hr2rcaf...@4ax.com>,
>>>> AmericanMorn <nos...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 05:56:15 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love
>>>>> <parkstreetboo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Many people might ask your question regarding war. WW2 got rid of the
>>>>> Nazis.
>>>> But it didn't need the US, France, and England to do it. Had they
>>>> stayed out of it they would have saved lives, dollars, pounds, and
>>>> francs, and it all would have been Uncle Joe's problem.
>> declared war on her. Hitler never wanted war with England (or France)
>> as evidenced by the fact that after the fall of France (thanks to French
>> aggression) Hitler actively sought peace with England. ONLY when
>> England refused to sign a peace treaty with Germany was Hitler forced to
>> continue the war on England. Had Britain and France not declared war on
>> Hitler in the first place, he would have continued his drive east (look
>> at where Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland are relative to Germany) and
>> run up against Russia. Then Germany and Russia would have beaten each
>> other to bloody pulps leaving France, England, and the US of A as the
>> only powers at full strengh, easily able to kick the shit out of the
>> "winner" of the Germany/Russia confrontation. Look at how weak the
>> European "winners" of WWI were at the end. Even Turkey was able to defy
>> them.
> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 20:53:01 -0400, Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> In article <cli488pkb2nok5jgoramef5vtepnj58...@4ax.com>,
>> AmericanMorn <nos...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 20:14:53 -0400, Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> In article <res188lv6teaov50pv2pfte9hr2rcaf...@4ax.com>,
>>>> AmericanMorn <nos...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 05:56:15 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love
>>>>> <parkstreetboo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Many people might ask your question regarding war. WW2 got rid of the
>>>>> Nazis.
>>>> But it didn't need the US, France, and England to do it. Had they
>>>> stayed out of it they would have saved lives, dollars, pounds, and
>>>> francs, and it all would have been Uncle Joe's problem.
>>> But wasn't there a possibility France and England would have been obliterated
>>> by the time Uncle Joe succeeded?.....AM
>> France WAS. The only reason Hitler attacked France was because France
> On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 20:53:01 -0400, Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> In article <cli488pkb2nok5jgoramef5vtepnj58...@4ax.com>,
>> AmericanMorn <nos...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 20:14:53 -0400, Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> In article <res188lv6teaov50pv2pfte9hr2rcaf...@4ax.com>,
>>>> AmericanMorn <nos...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 05:56:15 -0700 (PDT), A Moose in Love
>>>>> <parkstreetboo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Many people might ask your question regarding war. WW2 got rid of the
>>>>> Nazis.
>>>> But it didn't need the US, France, and England to do it. Had they
>>>> stayed out of it they would have saved lives, dollars, pounds, and
>>>> francs, and it all would have been Uncle Joe's problem.
>>> But wasn't there a possibility France and England would have been obliterated
>>> by the time Uncle Joe succeeded?.....AM
>> France WAS. The only reason Hitler attacked France was because France
>> declared war on her. Hitler never wanted war with England (or France)
>> as evidenced by the fact that after the fall of France (thanks to French
>> aggression) Hitler actively sought peace with England. ONLY when
>> England refused to sign a peace treaty with Germany was Hitler forced to
>> continue the war on England. Had Britain and France not declared war on
>> Hitler in the first place, he would have continued his drive east (look
>> at where Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland are relative to Germany) and
>> run up against Russia. Then Germany and Russia would have beaten each
>> other to bloody pulps leaving France, England, and the US of A as the
>> only powers at full strengh, easily able to kick the shit out of the
>> "winner" of the Germany/Russia confrontation. Look at how weak the
>> European "winners" of WWI were at the end. Even Turkey was able to defy
>> them.
> Very interesting. I don't know how correct you are, but it all certainly sounds
> plausible. Wending one's way through all the nonsense and babble that lurks in these
> newsgroups it's reassuring to know that in addition to the nonsensical there are many
> bright minds here willing to share their knowledge. Thanks....AM
Yep. In the neoNazi's mind, it was all the fault of Britain and France for not allowing Germany to expand eastward and to become a larger and more serious threat to European stability than it had been before. It was okay for Germany to expand eastward to make living space for Germans because those lands were occupied by Slavs, who they considered to be a lesser race. It was okay for them to expand and to proceed with their plans to exterminate the Jew, the Gypsies, the mentally retarded, their political opponents etc...
Much has already been written about Roosevelt's campaign of deception
and outright lies in getting the United States to intervene in the
Second World War prior to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in
December 1941. Roosevelt's aid to Britain and the Soviet Union in
violation of American neutrality and international law, his acts of
war against Germany in the Atlantic in an effort to provoke a German
declaration of war against the United States, his authorization of a
vast "dirty tricks" campaign against U.S. citizens by British
intelligence agents in violation of the Constitution, and his
provocations and ultimatums against Japan which brought on the attack
against Pearl Harbor-all this is extensively documented and reasonably
well known.[1]
Not so well known is the story of Roosevelt's enormous responsibility
for the outbreak of the Second World War itself. This essay focuses on
Roosevelt's secret campaign to provoke war in Europe prior to the
outbreak of hostilities in September 1939. It deals particularly with
his efforts to pressure Britain, France and Poland into war against
Germany in 1938 and 1939.
Franklin Roosevelt not only criminally involved America in a war which
had already engulfed Europe. He bears a grave responsibility before
history for the outbreak of the most destructive war of all time.
This paper relies heavily on a little-known collection of secret
Polish documents which fell into German hands when Warsaw was captured
in September 1939.
Poland had refused to even negotiate over self-determination for the
German city of Danzig and the ethnic German minority in the so-called
Polish Corridor. Hitler felt compelled to resort to arms when he did
in response to a growing Polish campaign of terror and dispossession
against the one and a half million ethnic Germans under Polish rule.
In my view, if ever a military action was justified, it was the German
campaign against Poland in 1939.
Poland's headstrong refusal to negotiate was made possible because of
a fateful blank check guarantee of military backing from Britain-a
pledge that ultimately proved completely worthless to the hapless
Poles. Considering the lightning swiftness of the victorious German
campaign, it is difficult to realize today that the Polish government
did not at all fear war with Germany. Poland's leaders foolishly
believed that German might was only an illusion. They were convinced
that their troops would occupy Berlin itself within a few weeks and
add further German territories to an enlarged Polish state. It is also
important to keep in mind that the purely localized conflict between
Germany and Poland was only transformed into a Europe-wide
conflagration by the British and French declarations of war against
Germany.
On 9 February 1938, the Polish Ambassador in Washington, Count Jerzy
Potocki, reported to the Foreign Minister in Warsaw on the Jewish role
in making American foreign policy:
The pressure of the Jews on President Roosevelt and on the State
Department is becoming ever more powerful ...
... The Jews are right now the leaders in creating a war psychosis
which would plunge the entire world into war and bring about general
catastrophe. This mood is becoming more and more apparent.
in their definition of democratic states, the Jews have also created
real chaos: they have mixed together the idea of democracy and
communism and have above all raised the banner of burning hatred
against Nazism.
This hatred has become a frenzy. It is propagated everywhere and by
every means: in theaters, in the cinema, and in the press. The Germans
are portrayed as a nation living under the arrogance of Hitler which
wants to conquer the whole world and drown all of humanity in an ocean
of blood.
In conversations with Jewish press representatives I have repeatedly
come up against the inexorable and convinced view that war is
inevitable. This international Jewry exploits every means of
propaganda to oppose any tendency towards any kind of consolidation
and understanding between nations. In this way, the conviction is
growing steadily but surely in public opinion here that the Germans
and their satellites, in the form of fascism, are enemies who must be
subdued by the 'democratic world.'
Ambassador Potocki's report from Washington of 9 January 1939 dealt in
large part with President Roosevelt's annual address to Congress:
President Roosevelt acts on the assumption that the dictatorial
governments, above all Germany and Japan, only understand a policy of
force. Therefore he has decided to react to any future blows by
matching them. This has been demonstrated by the most recent measures
of the United States.
The American public is subject to an ever more alarming propaganda
which is under Jewish influence and continuously conjures up the
specter of the danger of war. Because of this the Americans have
strongly altered their views on foreign policy problems, in comparison
with last year.
Of all the documents in this collection, the most revealing is
probably the secret report by Ambassador Potocki of 12 January 1939
which dealt with the domestic situation in the United States. This
report is given here in full:
The feeling now prevailing in the United States is marked by a growing
hatred of Fascism and, above all, of Chancellor Hitler and everything
connected with Nazism. Propaganda is mostly in the hands of the Jews
who control almost 100 percent radio, film, daily and periodical
press. Although this propaganda is extremely coarse and presents
Germany as black as possible-above all religious persecution and
concentration camps are exploited-this propaganda is nevertheless
extremely effective since the public here is completely ignorant and
knows nothing of the situation in Europe...
It is interesting to note that in this extremely well-planned campaign
which is conducted above all against National Socialism, Soviet Russia
is almost completely excluded. If mentioned at all, it is only in a
friendly manner and things are presented in such a way as if Soviet
Russia were working with the bloc of democratic states. Thanks to the
clever propaganda the sympathy of the American public is completely on
the side of Red Spain.
Besides this propaganda, a war psychosis is being artificially
created. The American people are told that peace in Europe is hanging
only by a thread and that war is unavoidable. At the same time the
American people are unequivocally told that in case of a world war,
America must also take an active part in order to defend the slogans
of freedom and democracy in the world.
These groups of people who occupy the highest positions in the
American government and want to pose as representatives of 'true
Americanism' and 'defenders of democracy' are, in the last analysis,
connected by unbreakable ties with international Jewry.
For this Jewish international, which above all is concerned with the
interests of its race, to portray the President of the United States
as the 'idealist' champion on human rights was a very clever move. In
this manner they have created a dangerous hotbed for hatred and
hostility in this hemisphere and divided the world into two hostile
camps. The entire issue is worked out in a masterly manner. Roosevelt
has been given the foundation for activating American foreign policy,
and simultaneously has been procuring enormous military stocks for the
coming war, for which the Jews are striving very consciously. With
regard to domestic policy, it is very convenient to divert public
attention from anti-Semitism, which is constantly growing in the
United States, by talking about the necessity of defending religion
and individual liberty against the onslaught of Fascism.
On 16 January 1939, Polish Ambassador Potocki reported to the Warsaw
Foreign Ministry on another lengthy conversation he had with
Roosevelt's personal envoy, William Bullitt
1. The vitalizing of foreign policy under the leadership of President
Roosevelt, who severely and unambiguously condemns totalitarian
countries.
2. United States preparations for war on sea, land and air will be
carried out at an accelerated pace and will consume the colossal sum
of 1.25 billion dollars.
3. It is the decided opinion of the President that France and Britain
must put an end to any sort of compromise with the totalitarian
countries. They must not get into any discussions aiming at any kind
of territorial changes.
4. They have the moral assurance that the United States will abandon
the policy of isolation and be prepared to intervene actively on the
side of Britain and France in case of war. America is ready to place
its whole wealth of money and raw materials at their disposal.
The Polish Ambassador to Paris, Juliusz (Jules) Lukasiewicz, sent a
top secret report to the Foreign Ministry in Warsaw at the beginning
of February 1939 which outlined U.S. policy towards Europe as
explained to him by William Bullitt:
A week ago, the Ambassador of the United States, William Bullitt
returned to Paris after a three months' leave in America. Meanwhile, I
have had two conversations with him which enable me to inform you of
his views regarding the European situation and to give a survey of
Washington's policy.
The international situation is regarded by official circles as
extremely serious and in constant danger of armed conflict. Those in
authority are of the opinion that if war should break out between
Britain and France on the one hand, and Germany and Italy on the
other, and should Britain and France be defeated, the Germans would
endanger the real interests of the United States on the American
continent. For this
...
>Much has already been written about Roosevelt's campaign of deception
>and outright lies in getting the United States to intervene in the
>Second World War prior to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in
>December 1941. Roosevelt's aid to Britain and the Soviet Union in
>violation of American neutrality and international law, his acts of
>war against Germany in the Atlantic in an effort to provoke a German
>declaration of war against the United States, his authorization of a
>vast "dirty tricks" campaign against U.S. citizens by British
>intelligence agents in violation of the Constitution, and his
>provocations and ultimatums against Japan which brought on the attack
>against Pearl Harbor-all this is extensively documented and reasonably
>well known.[1]
>Not so well known is the story of Roosevelt's enormous responsibility
>for the outbreak of the Second World War itself. This essay focuses on
>Roosevelt's secret campaign to provoke war in Europe prior to the
>outbreak of hostilities in September 1939. It deals particularly with
>his efforts to pressure Britain, France and Poland into war against
>Germany in 1938 and 1939.
>Franklin Roosevelt not only criminally involved America in a war which
>had already engulfed Europe. He bears a grave responsibility before
>history for the outbreak of the most destructive war of all time.
>This paper relies heavily on a little-known collection of secret
>Polish documents which fell into German hands when Warsaw was captured
>in September 1939.
>Poland had refused to even negotiate over self-determination for the
>German city of Danzig and the ethnic German minority in the so-called
>Polish Corridor. Hitler felt compelled to resort to arms when he did
>in response to a growing Polish campaign of terror and dispossession
>against the one and a half million ethnic Germans under Polish rule.
>In my view, if ever a military action was justified, it was the German
>campaign against Poland in 1939.
>Poland's headstrong refusal to negotiate was made possible because of
>a fateful blank check guarantee of military backing from Britain-a
>pledge that ultimately proved completely worthless to the hapless
>Poles. Considering the lightning swiftness of the victorious German
>campaign, it is difficult to realize today that the Polish government
>did not at all fear war with Germany. Poland's leaders foolishly
>believed that German might was only an illusion. They were convinced
>that their troops would occupy Berlin itself within a few weeks and
>add further German territories to an enlarged Polish state. It is also
>important to keep in mind that the purely localized conflict between
>Germany and Poland was only transformed into a Europe-wide
>conflagration by the British and French declarations of war against
>Germany.
>On 9 February 1938, the Polish Ambassador in Washington, Count Jerzy
>Potocki, reported to the Foreign Minister in Warsaw on the Jewish role
>in making American foreign policy:
>The pressure of the Jews on President Roosevelt and on the State
>Department is becoming ever more powerful ...
>... The Jews are right now the leaders in creating a war psychosis
>which would plunge the entire world into war and bring about general
>catastrophe. This mood is becoming more and more apparent.
>in their definition of democratic states, the Jews have also created
>real chaos: they have mixed together the idea of democracy and
>communism and have above all raised the banner of burning hatred
>against Nazism.
>This hatred has become a frenzy. It is propagated everywhere and by
>every means: in theaters, in the cinema, and in the press. The Germans
>are portrayed as a nation living under the arrogance of Hitler which
>wants to conquer the whole world and drown all of humanity in an ocean
>of blood.
>In conversations with Jewish press representatives I have repeatedly
>come up against the inexorable and convinced view that war is
>inevitable. This international Jewry exploits every means of
>propaganda to oppose any tendency towards any kind of consolidation
>and understanding between nations. In this way, the conviction is
>growing steadily but surely in public opinion here that the Germans
>and their satellites, in the form of fascism, are enemies who must be
>subdued by the 'democratic world.'
>Ambassador Potocki's report from Washington of 9 January 1939 dealt in
>large part with President Roosevelt's annual address to Congress:
>President Roosevelt acts on the assumption that the dictatorial
>governments, above all Germany and Japan, only understand a policy of
>force. Therefore he has decided to react to any future blows by
>matching them. This has been demonstrated by the most recent measures
>of the United States.
>The American public is subject to an ever more alarming propaganda
>which is under Jewish influence and continuously conjures up the
>specter of the danger of war. Because of this the Americans have
>strongly altered their views on foreign policy problems, in comparison
>with last year.
>Of all the documents in this collection, the most revealing is
>probably the secret report by Ambassador Potocki of 12 January 1939
>which dealt with the domestic situation in the United States. This
>report is given here in full:
>The feeling now prevailing in the United States is marked by a growing
>hatred of Fascism and, above all, of Chancellor Hitler and everything
>connected with Nazism. Propaganda is mostly in the hands of the Jews
>who control almost 100 percent radio, film, daily and periodical
>press. Although this propaganda is extremely coarse and presents
>Germany as black as possible-above all religious persecution and
>concentration camps are exploited-this propaganda is nevertheless
>extremely effective since the public here is completely ignorant and
>knows nothing of the situation in Europe...
>It is interesting to note that in this extremely well-planned campaign
>which is conducted above all against National Socialism, Soviet Russia
>is almost completely excluded. If mentioned at all, it is only in a
>friendly manner and things are presented in such a way as if Soviet
>Russia were working with the bloc of democratic states. Thanks to the
>clever propaganda the sympathy of the American public is completely on
>the side of Red Spain.
>Besides this propaganda, a war psychosis is being artificially
>created. The American people are told that peace in Europe is hanging
>only by a thread and that war is unavoidable. At the same time the
>American people are unequivocally told that in case of a world war,
>America must also take an active part in order to defend the slogans
>of freedom and democracy in the world.
>These groups of people who occupy the highest positions in the
>American government and want to pose as representatives of 'true
>Americanism' and 'defenders of democracy' are, in the last analysis,
>connected by unbreakable ties with international Jewry.
>For this Jewish international, which above all is concerned with the
>interests of its race, to portray the President of the United States
>as the 'idealist' champion on human rights was a very clever move. In
>this manner they have created a dangerous hotbed for hatred and
>hostility in this hemisphere and divided the world into two hostile
>camps. The entire issue is worked out in a masterly manner. Roosevelt
>has been given the foundation for activating American foreign policy,
>and simultaneously has been procuring enormous military stocks for the
>coming war, for which the Jews are striving very consciously. With
>regard to domestic policy, it is very convenient to divert public
>attention from anti-Semitism, which is constantly growing in the
>United States, by talking about the necessity of defending religion
>and individual liberty against the onslaught of Fascism.
>On 16 January 1939, Polish Ambassador Potocki reported to the Warsaw
>Foreign Ministry on another lengthy conversation he had with
>Roosevelt's personal envoy, William Bullitt
>1. The vitalizing of foreign policy under the leadership of President
>Roosevelt, who severely and unambiguously condemns totalitarian
>countries.
>2. United States preparations for war on sea, land and air will be
>carried out at an accelerated pace and will consume the colossal sum
>of 1.25 billion dollars.
>3. It is the decided opinion of the President that France and Britain
>must put an end to any sort of compromise with the totalitarian
>countries. They must not get into any discussions aiming at any kind
>of territorial changes.
>4. They have the moral assurance that the United States will abandon
>the policy of isolation and be prepared to intervene actively on the
>side of Britain and France in case of war. America is ready to place
>its whole wealth of money and raw materials at their disposal.
>The Polish Ambassador to Paris, Juliusz (Jules) Lukasiewicz, sent a
>top secret report to the Foreign Ministry in Warsaw at the beginning
>of February 1939 which outlined U.S. policy towards Europe as
>explained to him by William Bullitt:
>A week ago, the Ambassador of the United States, William Bullitt
>returned to Paris after a three months' leave in America. Meanwhile, I
>have had two conversations with him which enable me to inform you of
>his views regarding the European situation and to give a survey of
>Washington's policy.
> >Much has already been written about Roosevelt's campaign of deception
> >and outright lies in getting the United States to intervene in the
> >Second World War prior to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in
> >December 1941. Roosevelt's aid to Britain and the Soviet Union in
> >violation of American neutrality and international law, his acts of
> >war against Germany in the Atlantic in an effort to provoke a German
> >declaration of war against the United States, his authorization of a
> >vast "dirty tricks" campaign against U.S. citizens by British
> >intelligence agents in violation of the Constitution, and his
> >provocations and ultimatums against Japan which brought on the attack
> >against Pearl Harbor-all this is extensively documented and reasonably
> >well known.[1]
> >Not so well known is the story of Roosevelt's enormous responsibility
> >for the outbreak of the Second World War itself. This essay focuses on
> >Roosevelt's secret campaign to provoke war in Europe prior to the
> >outbreak of hostilities in September 1939. It deals particularly with
> >his efforts to pressure Britain, France and Poland into war against
> >Germany in 1938 and 1939.
> >Franklin Roosevelt not only criminally involved America in a war which
> >had already engulfed Europe. He bears a grave responsibility before
> >history for the outbreak of the most destructive war of all time.
> >This paper relies heavily on a little-known collection of secret
> >Polish documents which fell into German hands when Warsaw was captured
> >in September 1939.
> >Poland had refused to even negotiate over self-determination for the
> >German city of Danzig and the ethnic German minority in the so-called
> >Polish Corridor. Hitler felt compelled to resort to arms when he did
> >in response to a growing Polish campaign of terror and dispossession
> >against the one and a half million ethnic Germans under Polish rule.
> >In my view, if ever a military action was justified, it was the German
> >campaign against Poland in 1939.
> >Poland's headstrong refusal to negotiate was made possible because of
> >a fateful blank check guarantee of military backing from Britain-a
> >pledge that ultimately proved completely worthless to the hapless
> >Poles. Considering the lightning swiftness of the victorious German
> >campaign, it is difficult to realize today that the Polish government
> >did not at all fear war with Germany. Poland's leaders foolishly
> >believed that German might was only an illusion. They were convinced
> >that their troops would occupy Berlin itself within a few weeks and
> >add further German territories to an enlarged Polish state. It is also
> >important to keep in mind that the purely localized conflict between
> >Germany and Poland was only transformed into a Europe-wide
> >conflagration by the British and French declarations of war against
> >Germany.
> >On 9 February 1938, the Polish Ambassador in Washington, Count Jerzy
> >Potocki, reported to the Foreign Minister in Warsaw on the Jewish role
> >in making American foreign policy:
> >The pressure of the Jews on President Roosevelt and on the State
> >Department is becoming ever more powerful ...
> >... The Jews are right now the leaders in creating a war psychosis
> >which would plunge the entire world into war and bring about general
> >catastrophe. This mood is becoming more and more apparent.
> >in their definition of democratic states, the Jews have also created
> >real chaos: they have mixed together the idea of democracy and
> >communism and have above all raised the banner of burning hatred
> >against Nazism.
> >This hatred has become a frenzy. It is propagated everywhere and by
> >every means: in theaters, in the cinema, and in the press. The Germans
> >are portrayed as a nation living under the arrogance of Hitler which
> >wants to conquer the whole world and drown all of humanity in an ocean
> >of blood.
> >In conversations with Jewish press representatives I have repeatedly
> >come up against the inexorable and convinced view that war is
> >inevitable. This international Jewry exploits every means of
> >propaganda to oppose any tendency towards any kind of consolidation
> >and understanding between nations. In this way, the conviction is
> >growing steadily but surely in public opinion here that the Germans
> >and their satellites, in the form of fascism, are enemies who must be
> >subdued by the 'democratic world.'
> >Ambassador Potocki's report from Washington of 9 January 1939 dealt in
> >large part with President Roosevelt's annual address to Congress:
> >President Roosevelt acts on the assumption that the dictatorial
> >governments, above all Germany and Japan, only understand a policy of
> >force. Therefore he has decided to react to any future blows by
> >matching them. This has been demonstrated by the most recent measures
> >of the United States.
> >The American public is subject to an ever more alarming propaganda
> >which is under Jewish influence and continuously conjures up the
> >specter of the danger of war. Because of this the Americans have
> >strongly altered their views on foreign policy problems, in comparison
> >with last year.
> >Of all the documents in this collection, the most revealing is
> >probably the secret report by Ambassador Potocki of 12 January 1939
> >which dealt with the domestic situation in the United States. This
> >report is given here in full:
> >The feeling now prevailing in the United States is marked by a growing
> >hatred of Fascism and, above all, of Chancellor Hitler and everything
> >connected with Nazism. Propaganda is mostly in the hands of the Jews
> >who control almost 100 percent radio, film, daily and periodical
> >press. Although this propaganda is extremely coarse and presents
> >Germany as black as possible-above all religious persecution and
> >concentration camps are exploited-this propaganda is nevertheless
> >extremely effective since the public here is completely ignorant and
> >knows nothing of the situation in Europe...
> >It is interesting to note that in this extremely well-planned campaign
> >which is conducted above all against National Socialism, Soviet Russia
> >is almost completely excluded. If mentioned at all, it is only in a
> >friendly manner and things are presented in such a way as if Soviet
> >Russia were working with the bloc of democratic states. Thanks to the
> >clever propaganda the sympathy of the American public is completely on
> >the side of Red Spain.
> >Besides this propaganda, a war psychosis is being artificially
> >created. The American people are told that peace in Europe is hanging
> >only by a thread and that war is unavoidable. At the same time the
> >American people are unequivocally told that in case of a world war,
> >America must also take an active part in order to defend the slogans
> >of freedom and democracy in the world.
> >These groups of people who occupy the highest positions in the
> >American government and want to pose as representatives of 'true
> >Americanism' and 'defenders of democracy' are, in the last analysis,
> >connected by unbreakable ties with international Jewry.
> >For this Jewish international, which above all is concerned with the
> >interests of its race, to portray the President of the United States
> >as the 'idealist' champion on human rights was a very clever move. In
> >this manner they have created a dangerous hotbed for hatred and
> >hostility in this hemisphere and divided the world into two hostile
> >camps. The entire issue is worked out in a masterly manner. Roosevelt
> >has been given the foundation for activating American foreign policy,
> >and simultaneously has been procuring enormous military stocks for the
> >coming war, for which the Jews are striving very consciously. With
> >regard to domestic policy, it is very convenient to divert public
> >attention from anti-Semitism, which is constantly growing in the
> >United States, by talking about the necessity of defending religion
> >and individual liberty against the onslaught of Fascism.
> >On 16 January 1939, Polish Ambassador Potocki reported to the Warsaw
> >Foreign Ministry on another lengthy conversation he had with
> >Roosevelt's personal envoy, William Bullitt
> >1. The vitalizing of foreign policy under the leadership of President
> >Roosevelt, who severely and unambiguously condemns totalitarian
> >countries.
> >2. United States preparations for war on sea, land and air will be
> >carried out at an accelerated pace and will consume the colossal sum
> >of 1.25 billion dollars.
> >3. It is the decided opinion of the President that France and Britain
> >must put an end to any sort of compromise with the totalitarian
> >countries. They must not get into any discussions aiming at any kind
> >of territorial changes.
> >4. They have the moral assurance that the United States will abandon
> >the policy of isolation and be prepared to intervene actively on the
> >side of Britain and France in case of war. America is ready to place
> >its whole wealth of money and raw materials at their disposal.
> In article <a3id98117re9e37rp97iv6tfken0q7q...@4ax.com>,
> Barry Bruyea <damnthetorped...@duck.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 05:18:11 -0600, Topaz <mars1...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> I really hope everyone that reads this has a large septic tank to dump
>> the crock of shit being dispensed by this twisted carrion eater.
> I really hope everyone notices that you couldn't refute one single thing
> posted in the following:
Why would a sane person bother to waste the time to go through that crock of shit line by line? Mark Weber is the director of a holocaust denial organization...... a fucking nazi. You guys all lie and grovel in a sea of bullshit.
> In article <a3id98117re9e37rp97iv6tfken0q7q...@4ax.com>,
> Barry Bruyea <damnthetorped...@duck.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 05:18:11 -0600, Topaz <mars1...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> I really hope everyone that reads this has a large septic tank to dump
>> the crock of shit being dispensed by this twisted carrion eater.
> I really hope everyone notices that you couldn't refute one single thing
> posted in the following:
>>> By Mark Weber
>>> Much has already been written about Roosevelt's campaign of deception
>>> and outright lies in getting the United States to intervene in the
>>> Second World War prior to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in
>>> December 1941. Roosevelt's aid to Britain and the Soviet Union in
>>> violation of American neutrality and international law, his acts of
>>> war against Germany in the Atlantic in an effort to provoke a German
>>> declaration of war against the United States, his authorization of a
>>> vast "dirty tricks" campaign against U.S. citizens by British
>>> intelligence agents in violation of the Constitution, and his
>>> provocations and ultimatums against Japan which brought on the attack
>>> against Pearl Harbor-all this is extensively documented and reasonably
>>> well known.[1]
>>> Not so well known is the story of Roosevelt's enormous responsibility
>>> for the outbreak of the Second World War itself. This essay focuses on
>>> Roosevelt's secret campaign to provoke war in Europe prior to the
>>> outbreak of hostilities in September 1939. It deals particularly with
>>> his efforts to pressure Britain, France and Poland into war against
>>> Germany in 1938 and 1939.
>>> Franklin Roosevelt not only criminally involved America in a war which
>>> had already engulfed Europe. He bears a grave responsibility before
>>> history for the outbreak of the most destructive war of all time.
>>> This paper relies heavily on a little-known collection of secret
>>> Polish documents which fell into German hands when Warsaw was captured
>>> in September 1939.
>>> Poland had refused to even negotiate over self-determination for the
>>> German city of Danzig and the ethnic German minority in the so-called
>>> Polish Corridor.
Negotiating over "self-determination" would be incredibly stupid given what happened to the last nation to negotiate over the "self-determination" of ethnic Germans.
