The 8-Step Plan to Wipe Out America
R J Patterson
The Bush regime and many of our political & business honchos
are following the plan with great success.
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Eight Steps To Destroy America
1-30-5
Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and
that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit
suicide.'"
"Here is how they do it," former Governor of Colorado Richard Lamm
said:
(First) ;"Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bi-
cultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the
tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages
and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual;
however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.
"The historical scholar Seymour Lipset put it this way: 'The histories
of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are
histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada, Belgium,
Malaysia, Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which
minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and
Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France
faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."
Lamm went on:
(Second:) "Invent 'multi-culturalism' and encourage immigrants to
maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all
cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would
make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates
are due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other
explanation is out of bounds.
"We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much
effort.
(Third:) The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As
Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent
success of our own multi-ethnic and multi-cultural experiment might
have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony.
Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically and what it
meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism
to hold us together.'" Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to
keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot
metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that
we have various cultural sub-groups living in America reinforcing
their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their
similarities."
"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least
educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated,
undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this
second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."
"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations
and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in
ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I
would get all minorities to think their lack of success was the fault
of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all
minority failure on the majority population."
"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship
and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity.
I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people
worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they
are not killing each other."
"A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical
precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation
together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they
belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and
literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in
the Olympic games. A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty. Yet
all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local
patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political
divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- From many, one. In that
historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead
of the 'unum,' we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."
"Next to last, (Seventh:) I would place all subjects off limits - make
it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I
would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that
stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or
'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate."
"Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having
established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the
doctrine of 'Victimology,'
(Eighth:) I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration
laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good
for America , it must always be good. I would make every individual
immigrant sympatric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of
them."
In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow.
Profound silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor
Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It
exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to
be destroyed, don't read that book."
There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous
cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that
room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically,
quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Every
discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the
foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness.
Barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing
as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the
Third World as corporations create a Third World in America - take
note of California and other states - to date, ten million illegal
aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book
"1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of
Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance
is strength."
Governor Lamm, walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the
conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is
deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration
monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California
wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American
Dream.
Samo...@aol.com
actually, there is only one way to destroy the USA. That is to bring in
Hispanicks and allowing them to vote in our elections. Those
motherfuckers have rendered unlivable every goddamned society they have
ever settled and have no inherent sense of right vs wrong, a direct
consequence of them being descended from criminals.
All the USA is to Hispanicks is yet another rich society for them to
invite themselves into, rob blind of all our wealth and to force their
loser language and culture on just as they have done to native
societies all over the Americas.
Just look at Spanish descended Latin Americans paying their life
savings to get the hell out of Latin America to make an all-out
desperate attempt to sneak into the USA. But they then feel humiliated
to have to sneak into the country they see as an extension of the UK,
the hated historic rivals of their belived Spaniards, and so they feel
humilaited and then hate. Playing the defiant no-speakie English games,
booing USA international sports teams, refusing to acknowledge Anglos
created the USA, trying desperately to force the loser language on the
USA, smuggling obscene amounts of money out of the USA, trying to
rewrite US History to make it appear as if Hispanicks created the USA
and Anglos as bumbling, dithering idiots who paid their life savings to
be sneaked into Hispanick society.
Rod Gazinia
There's some REAL LIBERALISM for ya!
REAl LIVE RACIST BIGGOTTED LIBERALISM
brit am
censored it was the fact that a society must have a common language, shared
experiences, and a common culture. Those who favour multicultural,
multilingual societies should look at Yugoslavia.
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but a tyranny over their minds and souls. -- Sir Oswald Mosley
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brit am
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>
> There's some REAL LIBERALISM for ya!
>
> REAl LIVE RACIST BIGGOTTED LIBERALISM
The truth hurts, eh? Look at such multicultural nations as Yugoslavia,
Rwanda, the Sudaan....
George
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>
> are following the plan with great success.
> --------------------
>
> Eight Steps To Destroy America
> 1-30-5
>
> Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and
> that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit
> suicide.'"
>
> "Here is how they do it," former Governor of Colorado Richard Lamm
> said:
>
> (First) ;"Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bi-
> cultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the
> tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages
> and cultures.
We have been doing just that for 200 years.
If they chuck the racist and hate mongerers like you out of the country we
will be even stronger.
George
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>> Eight Steps To Destroy America
>
> actually, there is only one way to destroy the USA. That is to bring in
> Hispanicks and allowing them to vote in our elections.
You ignoramus. You can't even spell Hispanics.
Get out of your trailer park and see the world.
George
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>
George
that aren't part of the great United States of America.
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George
> Very true. One of the first rules of sociology before the
> multiculturalsts
Idiot. No one censored anything. Don't you even know that we have freedom of
speech and press in the USA?
Joe S.
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>
> are following the plan with great success.
> --------------------
>
> Eight Steps To Destroy America
> 1-30-5
>
> Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and
> that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit
> suicide.'"
And as we all know, Arnold Toynbee speaks for god.
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brit am
"George" <fire...@hemisphere.com> wrote in message
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> "brit am" <bri...@home.net> wrote in message
> news:t1yae.121453$vK6....@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>> Very true. One of the first rules of sociology before the
>> multiculturalsts
>
> Idiot. No one censored anything. Don't you even know that we have freedom
> of speech and press in the USA?
>
The press many times prints out right lies, if that's what you mean.
Lately, it has finally been discovered, stories that were just made up.
H. Reader
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>
> "R J Patterson" <rjpat...@home.usa> wrote in message news:9A5203ZE3846...@reece.net.au...
>>
>> The Bush regime and many of our political & business honchos
>> are following the plan with great success.
>> --------------------
>>
>> Eight Steps To Destroy America
>> 1-30-5
>>
>> Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and
>> that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit
>> suicide.'"
>>
>> "Here is how they do it," former Governor of Colorado Richard Lamm
>> said:
>>
>> (First) ;"Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bi-
>> cultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the
>> tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages
>> and cultures.
>
> We have been doing just that for 200 years.
What? We've been doing exactly the opposite since we began
to accept immigrants to this country. Does the "Melting Pot"
ring any bells with you?
> If they chuck the racist and hate mongerers like you out of the country we will be even stronger.
No, let's chuck the imbeciles indoctrinated in the insanity of
Political Correctness. You, for example.
Antipodean Bucket Farmer
<1114285852....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Samo...@aol.com says...
> > Eight Steps To Destroy America
>
> actually, there is only one way to destroy the USA. That is to bring in
> Hispanicks and allowing them to vote in our elections. Those
> motherfuckers have rendered unlivable every goddamned society they have
> ever settled and have no inherent sense of right vs wrong, a direct
> consequence of them being descended from criminals.
> All the USA is to Hispanicks is yet another rich society for them to
> invite themselves into, rob blind of all our wealth and to force their
> loser language and culture on just as they have done to native
> societies all over the Americas.
Lots of folks around the world seem to have similar
views of, "the British race" (didn't Thatcher use that
phrase, quite proudly?)
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The Bush regime and many of our political & business honchos
Lets Roll
>
> "brit am" <bri...@home.net> wrote in message
> news:t1yae.121453$vK6....@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>> Very true. One of the first rules of sociology before the
>> multiculturalsts
>
> Idiot. No one censored anything. Don't you even know that we have freedom
> of speech and press in the USA?
>
>
Phft.
Would you like to buy some ocean front property in Arizona?
Lets Roll
>
> "R J Patterson" <rjpat...@home.usa> wrote in message
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>>
>> The Bush regime and many of our political & business honchos
>> are following the plan with great success.
>> --------------------
>>
>> Eight Steps To Destroy America
>> 1-30-5
>>
>> Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and
>> that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit
>> suicide.'"
>>
>> "Here is how they do it," former Governor of Colorado Richard Lamm
>> said:
>>
>> (First) ;"Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bi-
>> cultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the
>> tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages
>> and cultures.
>
> We have been doing just that for 200 years.
No, we haven't. Americans being forced to worship at the altar of
multiculturalism is a very recent phenomenon in our national history
timeline. Newly arrived immigrants were always under a great deal of
pressure to learn to speak English and assimilate into American culture and
society prior to the 1970's.
So you can save yourself from looking so foolish by spouting off such
nonsense, I recommend you read a book available at either your local book
store or on Amazon.com, "Who Are We?" by Samuel P. Huntington. It sells for
about $17, and under, a tiny investment if you really want to be educated on
the subject.
>
> If they chuck the racist and hate mongerers like you out of the country we
> will be even stronger.
And if racists like you could just be educated we might stand a slim chance
of not balkanizing America into a collection of squabbling nationalities
which our forefathers warned of.
tooly
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>
George, George, George...now there you go again. Inventing truth just to
fill your head and no one elses. Now, you go off and just believe whatever
you like. Ok. Reality might be a bit hard for you. This nation's founders
were 'European' [British mostly]...and English was the unchallenged language
right up until nuts like you started exasperatin' things about 2 or 3
decades ago. Your like the enemy who can't win, so he tries to convince us
to throw down our guns anyway. Tut tut...hmm. Wonder why English became
the defacto business language of the world? Must be all them British moguls
dancing up the place...surely nothing to do with America, the land with all
them 'multicultural languages' banging about as you say.
Geeze man, your mind is so programmed. Can you even tie your own shoes?
Mysterion
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>
Another shiteating multi-culti stooge is heard from.
Rudy Canoza
> The Bush regime and many of our political & business honchos
> are following the plan with great success.
> --------------------
>
> Eight Steps To Destroy America
> 1-30-5
>
> Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and
> that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit
> suicide.'"
>
> "Here is how they do it," former Governor of Colorado Richard Lamm
> said:
>
> (First) ;"Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bi-
> cultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the
> tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages
> and cultures.
Switzerland seems to be doing just fine.
Fuck off, cuntlips.
Godzilla Pimp
> Eight Steps To Destroy America
> 1-30-5
All authored by the Jews. Some even admit it. To prevent another "holocaust"
(which, ironically, never even happened) the Jews want to rid the world of
every white-majority country which might elect another Hitler (yes, he was
elected).
GP
Dan
As usual with these things.
Dan
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to accept and love themselves and each other, and when they have achieved
this - which will not be tomorrow and may very well be never - the Negro
problem will no longer exist, for it will no longer be needed."
- James Baldwin -
"The Fire Next Time"
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Antipodean Bucket Farmer
<FuPae.126872$UW6.1...@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
rd...@bellsouth.net says...
I seem to recall that Thomas Jefferson supposedly once
suggested German as the official US language(?) The
idea was apparently for cultural distance from Britain.
Day Brown
> "brit am" <bri...@home.net> wrote in message
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>
>>Very true. One of the first rules of sociology before the
>>multiculturalsts
>
>
> Idiot. No one censored anything. Don't you even know that we have freedom of
> speech and press in the USA?
court house filming our demonstration, and saw the evening news, which
showed the folks on the court house steps- them saying with the voice
over that about 60 people demonstrated at the federal court.
the cameras never turned to the street where the *4000* who would not
fit on the courthouse steps were demonstrating.
Lets Roll
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What were you protesting at the federal court house?
>
Gunner
I believe it was Ben Franklin. The same dude that wanted the Turkey
in place of the Eagle. The same fellow that had the warmies for
bearly post pubescent girls. Which was why he spent most of his time
In France...as 12-13 yr olds were available in the brothels.
Gunner
"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke
Tiny Human Ferret
Urban Legend. Franklin despised Germans.
<snips>
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"Gunner" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message news:4q6p61p6h135ledf7...@4ax.com...
Neither Jefferson nor Franklin nor anyone else ever
made such a proposal.
> The same dude that wanted the Turkey
> in place of the Eagle. The same fellow that had the warmies for
> bearly post pubescent girls. Which was why he spent most of his time
> In France...as 12-13 yr olds were available in the brothels.
Where do this crap come from?
Mysterion
"H. Reader" <histor...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Goofer's mongrel girlfriend makes him recite it.
He must show hatred for dead white men before he's allowed to play "pimp an'
ho".
Graphic Queen
Yesd, someone did make the proposal.
>> The same dude that wanted the Turkey
>> in place of the Eagle. The same fellow that had the warmies for
>> bearly post pubescent girls. Which was why he spent most of his time
>> In France...as 12-13 yr olds were available in the brothels.
>
> Where do this crap come from?
>
True History reader.
GQ
Gunner
Really? Noted. Thanks.
Graphic Queen
Attention:
Someone is again forging my name in posts. I guess that Juanita has
nothing better to do with his time in prison.
GQ
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:50:03 GMT, Graphic Queen <xxx...@xxx.xxx.com>
wrote:
Scipio
wrote:
Doesn't seem likely. He wrote some very negative things about the
Germans that were settling in Penn.
Branson Hunter
wrote:
>I believe it was Ben Franklin. The same dude that wanted the Turkey
>in place of the Eagle.
Okay so the Turkey thing was a bad idea. But don't think that makes
Franklin some sort of wimp. Franklin pushed the American Revolution
harder and with more intellect than any other of the founders. He
battled with the nay sayers -- and the ass-kissing Proprietor party
(neo-conservatives of today) who had paper balls -- and were in
collusion with King George.
>The same fellow that had the warmies for bearly post pubescent girls.
>Which was why he spent most of his time In France...as 12-13 yr olds
>were available in the brothels.
History certainly is NOT in agreement with you gunner... It is
completely erroneous (and unfair) to associate Franklin with French
brothels and pubescent girls, or both.
Franklin enjoyed the company of young adult women on an intellectual
and flirtatious level. That we know. He had many young mature female
friends during the progression of his amazing life. But there is NO
evidence whatsoever to show he had sexual affairs or extra-maritally
trysted with any of them (though certainly there has been undocumented
speculation).
Walter Isaacson's "Benjamin Franklin: An American Life" (the
definitive authority) has the whole story on Franklin's friendship
with female friends and his flirtations with the ladies of Paris.
Actually a wonderful book to read if you're interested.
Franklin had an amazing life. He was a high-spirited,
larger-than-life character who, above all the founders, was the most
committed -- in practice and in theory -- to the common man (unlike
the usual fanatic neo-cons in alt.california who evidence no
compassion at all for the common man or woman).
Franklin was 'the man' the founders looked to during the forming of
the new government because he was much older and wiser than the other
founding -- a world-famous intellectual, politician, postmaster,
statesman, high-level diplomat, scientist, inventor, journalist and
publisher. Had it not been for Franklin the French would likely not
have (clandestinely) funded the American Revolution. Franklin was
loved in France and everywhere he traveled in France -- hundreds of
people lined the streets to see the American bon vivant, or they
follow him around, much like today's paparazzi.
Had Franklin ever visited a French brothel -- it would have destroyed
his reputation\m, and the news would have been published around the
world. He was that famous.
gunner: can you give us a retraction on this...
Branson
SEE ALSO: Carl Van Doren, Benjamin Franklin (The Macmillan Company of
Canada, Ltd., 1938). He stood head and shoulders above any of his
contemporaries.
Branson Hunter
<usene...@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG> wrote:
>I seem to recall that Thomas Jefferson supposedly once
>suggested German as the official US language(?) The
>idea was apparently for cultural distance from Britain.
Jefferson didn't advocated German as the official U.S. language
in his 'Draft of the Kentucky Resolutions' (Oct. 1798) -- a curriculum
blueprint for U.S. universities. But he did recognize the necessity
for German to be taught to students because of its value
and relationship to English. He wrote:
"German now stands in a line with that of the most learned
nations in richness of erudition and advance in the sciences.
It is too of common decent with the language of view, the
Anglo-Saxon is of particular value. We have placed it amount
the modern languages, because it is in fact that which we
speak, in the earliest form in which we have knowledge of it.
It has been undergoing, with time, those gradual changes which
all languages, ancient and modern, have experienced;
and even how needs only to be printed in the modern character
and orthography to be intelligible, in a considerable degree,
to an English reader. It has this value, too, above the Greek
and Latin, that while it gives the radix of the mass of our
language... ."
"Jefferson Writings" -- Library of America, pages 465-456
Branson
H. Reader
"Graphic Queen" <xxx...@xxx.xxx.com> wrote in message news:1s0q6193o2v9cpi97...@4ax.com...
Really? Who? About as close as anyone ever came to recommending
German as anything in this country was this: at the end of the Constitutional
Convention, the delegates voted on whether to translate the Constitution
into German for distribution among German settlements in western
Pennsylvania and elsewhere. The delegates voted against
the proposal.
>>> The same dude that wanted the Turkey
>>> in place of the Eagle. The same fellow that had the warmies for
>>> bearly post pubescent girls. Which was why he spent most of his time
>>> In France...as 12-13 yr olds were available in the brothels.
>>
>> Where do this crap come from?
>>
> True History reader.
Franklin did propose that turkey as the national bird, but
Franklin having a penchant for 12 and 13 year olds is
just nonsense.
H. Reader
"Graphic Queen" <xxx...@xxx.xxx.com> wrote in message news:psdq611dujqmfj9iv...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> Attention:
>
> Someone is again forging my name in posts. I guess that Juanita has
> nothing better to do with his time in prison.
Probably. He's the sociopath in action.
Gunner
wrote:
Oh..dont get me wrong. I think Old Ben was the best thing since sliced
bread. He got us on the right track, and got the French to help us out
when we were most in need.
He was a genius, an inventor, a stateman and a Great Thinker of his
time. Not enough can be said in his praise.
One should also note that it was very very common at the time, to be
married at 13-15, and a woman of 20, was considered something of a
spinster. Shrug. During a walkabout which included France in the
early-mid 70s, I got to visit the lower quarters of Paris (which I
actually preferred) and was regailed with stories by folks who have a
long history of talking about famous visitors to the brothels and kept
women. Folks who were likely to know. Shrug. The history books are
often a bit sanitary when it comes to Big Names..or the temptations of
mortal men. The common versions of history often leave out the fact
that Alexander the Great prefered men and boys over women. As did many
other well known individals. Bedroom pecadillos are usually not
discussed. Shrug. And the fact that very young women sold their
bodies commonly was a common fact and not thought unusual, nor was the
fact that men often availed themselves of their bounty.
Lets just not discuss Abe Lincoln.
Gunner
>SEE ALSO: Carl Van Doren, Benjamin Franklin (The Macmillan Company of
>Canada, Ltd., 1938). He stood head and shoulders above any of his
>contemporaries.
"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
pyotr filipivich
<bra...@xspam.com> wrote back on Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:52:30 -0700 in
misc.survivalism :
>
>Franklin was 'the man' the founders looked to during the forming of
>the new government because he was much older and wiser than the other
>founding -- a world-famous intellectual, politician, postmaster,
>statesman, high-level diplomat, scientist, inventor, journalist and
>publisher. Had it not been for Franklin the French would likely not
>have (clandestinely) funded the American Revolution. Franklin was
>loved in France and everywhere he traveled in France -- hundreds of
>people lined the streets to see the American bon vivant, or they
>follow him around, much like today's paparazzi.
>
>Had Franklin ever visited a French brothel -- it would have destroyed
>his reputation\m, and the news would have been published around the
>world. He was that famous.
Ben was also, how shall we say, not in need of, umm, 'commercial sin',
there being apparently sufficient supply of amateurs??? As was noted at
the time, in America (and England) young ladies flirted until they wed, and
then ceased the game, whereas in France it was the other way around.
The Story was told of him at some soiree, and a lady there patted his
ample paunch and teased him that were this upon a young lady, we would be
able to make of that as one wished. To which he is supposed to have
replied, "Madam, a half an hour ago it was on a young lady, and you may
make of that as you wish."
Ben had .. a style. :-)
Any tradesman who can retire at 42 to a life of politics at the highest
level is no slouch.
tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
"MTV may talk about lighting fires and killing children,
but Janet Reno actually does something about it." --Spy Magazine
Gogarty
says...
Indeed.
Franklin wrote a letter to a young friend about taking a mistress. It was long
ago made into a pamphlet, a copy of which I have (Ben Franklin's Advice to a
Young Man on Taking a Mistress.). It can be summed up as follows: In praise of
older women: They don't yell, they don't tell, then don't swell, and they are
grateful as hell.
Branson Hunter
wrote:
>On Mon, 25 Apr 2005, Branson Hunter <bra...@xspam.com> wrote:
>Oh..dont get me wrong. I think Old Ben was the best thing since sliced
>bread. He got us on the right track, and got the French to help us out
>when we were most in need.
>He was a genius, an inventor, a stateman and a Great Thinker of his
>time. Not enough can be said in his praise.
>
>One should also note that it was very very common at the time, to be
>married at 13-15, and a woman of 20, was considered something of a
>spinster. Shrug. During a walkabout which included France in the
>early-mid 70s, I got to visit the lower quarters of Paris (which I
>actually preferred)
C'mon gunner... tell us the real adventures you had in Paris. The
girlie stories.
>and was regailed with stories by folks who have a
>long history of talking about famous visitors to the brothels and kept
>women. Folks who were likely to know. Shrug. The history books are
>often a bit sanitary when it comes to Big Names..or the temptations of
>mortal men.
True.
>The common versions of history often leave out the fact
>that Alexander the Great prefered men and boys over women.
Hard to understand with all those women of the world around him.
>As did many other well known individals. Bedroom pecadillos are usually not
>discussed. Shrug. And the fact that very young women sold their
>bodies commonly was a common fact and not thought unusual, nor was the
>fact that men often availed themselves of their bounty.
>
>Lets just not discuss Abe Lincoln.
Okay why not...
>"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
>miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
>demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
>Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke
Okay... then where are you political speaking?
Branson
Branson Hunter
Indeed he had style (and clout).
> Any tradesman who can retire at 42 to a life of politics at the highest
>level is no slouch.
If you haven't already read Walter Isaacson, Ben Franklin, An American
Life, you'd really enjoy all of those stories. Ben was the man!
Branson
Branson Hunter
wrote:
>In article, ph...@mindspring.com says...
Lets say he may of been the JFK of his day.
Branson
tooly
"Rudy Canoza" <som...@ph.con> wrote in message
news:1OQae.12546$go4....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Oh, you mean that 'all European' highly affluent,
well-integrated-over-many-centuries Swizterland? Or are you talking about
the one that is being invaded by very recent burgeoning 'non affluent'
peasant worker hordes who do not share a certain core european
heritage...who might even curse the founders and rightful progeny of the
land and actually hate the people who live there?
Fuck off, dickhead.
Gunner
wrote:
>
>>The common versions of history often leave out the fact
>>that Alexander the Great prefered men and boys over women.
>
>Hard to understand with all those women of the world around him.
>
Gay is gay. And some of the cultures of the time, including several
today, Sparta, Islam... have the quaint saying.." Women are for
children, boys and men are for pleasure"
Shrug...different strokes for different folks.
>>As did many other well known individals. Bedroom pecadillos are usually not
>>discussed. Shrug. And the fact that very young women sold their
>>bodies commonly was a common fact and not thought unusual, nor was the
>>fact that men often availed themselves of their bounty.
>>
>>Lets just not discuss Abe Lincoln.
>
>Okay why not...
Because he was one of the most sorry bastards to have ever walked the
face of the earth. A wretch of a man and finally got what he deserved
in Fords Theater.
>
>>"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
>>miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
>>demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
>>Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke
>
>Okay... then where are you political speaking?
>
According to the Libs, Im a Nazi. According to the Nazis, Im a Lib.
Shrug..tends to be a bit confusing.
Personally, I consider myself to be a semi-compasionate conservative
Libertarian. Small "L". As Larry Elder puts it..a Republitarian.
Strong fiscal conservative, Libertarian in social issues, and a very
strong pragmatist, having had the Idealism blown out of me at an early
age...but one that strives for the conservatism, but does not make the
mistake to consider conservatives to be racists, bigots, homophobes
who want to starve our children, poison our air and water and force
Grandma out in the snow to die, that most Libs consider us to be.
Life member of the NRA, two tour combat, RVN, member of the
Professional Rodeo Cowboys association, firearms instructor, lover of
women, protector of cats and dogs, with a well developed grasp of
geopolitics, history and military history, and a firm grip on reality,
using reason, facts and logic to base my opinions on, not hate, bias,
ignorance and bigotry to form the emotions most submerge themselves
in.
The 4 things in Life that make it worth living
Fine guns, good books, easy women and a warm place to shit.
Least favorite things: Liberals, cold coffee, wet toilet paper and
emotional types who emote, not think things through.
Just your everyday regular harmless lovable fuzzball.
Gunner
>Branson
Gogarty
says...
>
>Lets say he may of been the JFK of his day.
>
Much, much more complex than that.
Tiny Human Ferret
An excellent page on this is at:
http://www.pbs.org/speak/seatosea/officialamerican/englishonly/
<quote in-part>
The Legendary English-Only
Vote of 1795
This isn’t the first time that Americans have argued about whether
English-only should be the law of the land. Dennis Baron delves into the
origins of the myth of an early move to outlaw German and relates more
recent measures to discourage bilingualism, including by the U.S.
Constitution.
In April, 1987, an election judge from Missouri wrote to Ann Landers
citing the following excerpt from the local Election Manual to support
the argument that everyone's vote counts: “In 1776, one vote gave
America the English language instead of German.” The statement is not
strictly true, as many of Landers' more alert readers quickly pointed
out. The vote in question did not take place. However, language became a
political and an emotional issue as early as the 1750s, when British
settlers in Pennsylvania began to fear and resent the fact that a third
of their fellow Pennsylvanians were German speakers.
Since that time, American nativists have sought to eradicate minority
languages and discourage bilingualism wherever it could be found: in
Maine and Louisiana, California and New Mexico, Hawaii and Puerto Rico,
as well as in Pennsylvania. Complaints about Germans as well as other
non-English-speakers became all too common in the last quarter of the
19th century, and again during and after World War I, when the fear of
immigrants and their languages prompted protective English-only
legislation. Many Americans considered non-Anglophones to be less than
human: in 1904 a railroad president told a congressional hearing on the
mistreatment of immigrant workers, “These workers don’t suffer—they
don't even speak English” (Shanahan, 1989.) Today as well there is
opposition to non-Anglophones and bilinguals—this time not Germans but
Hispanic and Asian Americans. The result is the proposed English
Language Amendment (ELA), a Constitutional amendment making English the
official language of the United States.
Despite the latest rehearsal in Ann Landers’ advice column of the myth
that German had once come close to replacing English in the United
States, Americans have never had a legally-established official
language. The so-called German vote did not take place in 1776, and it
had nothing to do with privileging German over English. The legend that
it did, which has gone around since at least the 1850s, was spread
initially by propagandists celebrating German contributions to American
culture. It has since been taken over by those who claim that the
English language in the United States is an endangered species. The
story of the German Vote is occasionally trotted out by ELA supporters
to demonstrate the power of ethnic groups to subvert national unity and
to warn Americans that although the German threat to English has been
defused, the Spanish one has not.
In the 18th Century, there were rumors English would be dropped as the
official language
The events whose misinterpretation gave rise to the legend of the German
vote occurred in 1795, though the date is frequently changed to the more
patriotically crucial year of 1776. As is characteristic of such
stories, what actually occurred is not entirely clear. What is clear is
that Congress never considered replacing English with any other language
or giving any other tongue equal status with English. In the 18th
century there were rumors that a few Brit-bashing superpatriots
campaigned to have the new nation drop English in favor of Hebrew,
French, or Greek, considered in the late 18th century to be the
languages of God, rationality, and democracy, respectively. But the
desire to found a New Eden rather than a New Babel assured that the
United States would be united both legally and socially under a single
language, and that language would be English. Noah Webster championed a
dialect-free Federal English based on his spelling book. John Adams
rightly predicted that English would become the next world language. And
Roger Sherman of Connecticut is reported to have urged Americans to
retain English and make the British speak Greek. (See Baron, 1982.)
Despite the solid position of English both initially and throughout
American history, the legend of the German vote persists.
The German Vote
On January 13, 1795, Congress considered a proposal, not to give German
any official status, but merely to print the federal laws in German as
well as English. During the debate, a motion to adjourn failed by one
vote. The final vote rejecting the translation of federal laws, which
took place one month later, is not recorded.
The translation proposal itself originated as a petition to Congress on
March 20, 1794, from a group of Germans living in Augusta, Virginia. A
House committee responding to that petition recommended publishing sets
of the federal statutes in English and distributing them to the states,
together with the publication of three thousand sets of laws in German,
“for the accommodation of such German citizens of the United States, as
do not understand the English language.” (American State Papers ser. 10,
v. 1:114). According to the succinct report in the Aurora Gazette, “A
great variety of plans were proposed, but none that seemed to meet the
general sense of the House.” (22 January, 1795, p. 3).
A vote to adjourn and sit again on the recommendation failed, 42 to 41,
but there is no reason to believe from this close vote that more than
token support existed for publishing the laws in German. The vote to
adjourn seems to have been interpreted by the House as a vote of no
confidence both in the committee's recommendation to translate the laws
and in its recommendation on the distribution of the sets of laws once
they were published in English. While there is no record of debate on
the translation provision that day, if sentiment on the issue in
Congress was anything like sentiment in Pennsylvania, translation was
probably opposed by a substantial majority of the representatives.
On the other hand, the committee’s plan for distributing the sets of
laws did provoke some strong disagreement in the House. After objections
to the latter were aired, a new committee was formed and asked to report
again, and the House agreed to adjourn. It is from the close interim
vote, not on an actual bill but on adjournment, that the so-called
“German vote” legend has been built.
One month later, on February 16, 1795, the House once again considered
the question of promulgating the laws, and among the issues, once again,
was translating the federal statutes into German. This time some of the
actual debate has been preserved. Rep. Thomas Hartley of Pennsylvania
argued that “it was perhaps desirable that the Germans should learn
English; but if it is our object to give present information, we should
do it in the language understood. The Germans who are advanced in years
cannot learn our language in a day. It would be generous in the
Government to inform those persons. Many honest men, in the late
disturbances [the Whiskey Rebellion], were led away by
misrepresentation; ignorance of the laws laid them open to deception.”
Rep. William V. Murray of Maryland, who opposed translating the laws
into German, countered “that it had never been the custom in England to
translate the laws into Welsh or Gaelic, and yet the great bulk of the
Welsh, and some hundred thousands of people in Scotland, did not
understand a word of English.” (Annals of Congress 4:1228-29) The House
finally approved publication of current and future federal statutes in
English only. The bill was agreed to by the Senate and signed by
President Washington the following month.
The January vote on adjournment is sometimes known as “the Muhlenberg
Vote,” after the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Pennsylvania's
Frederick Augustus Muhlenberg, a Federalist who spoke German with
difficulty, so it is claimed, and who was at any rate a member of a
prominent family of assimilated Germans who favored English as the
language of education and religion (Dorpalen 1942, 178). Although the
roll call vote does not survive, tradition has it that Muhlenberg
stepped down to cast the deciding negative, thereby dooming German in
America to minority-language status. Tradition notwithstanding, too much
weight should not be given to the fact that the Speaker was not in the
chair on this occasion. It was common for the Speaker to step down, and
Muhlenburg did so on many other occasions during the Third Congress.
Even a positive vote on the adjournment issue could not have led to
approval of German translations of the laws, a concession which the
Congress has repeatedly refused to make ever since.
Nonetheless, Muhlenberg was blamed for selling out German language
interests by Franz Löher, whose 1847 History and Achievements of the
Germans in America presents a garbled though frequently cited account of
what is supposed to have happened. Löher places the crucial language
vote not in the U.S. Congress, but in the Pennsylvania legislature, over
which Muhlenberg had earlier presided. There is no evidence as to
Muhlenberg’s actual views on German publishing; no evidence that he cast
a tie-breaking vote on the matter; and no contemporary indication that
the German community was displeased with his stewardship over the Third
Congress. However, Muhlenberg later did manage to irritate his German
constituents by casting the deciding vote in favor of the Jay Treaty
during the Fourth Congress, a move which drove his brother-in-law to
stab him and which cost him the next election in 1796. This significant
tie-breaker soon became confused with the earlier adjournment
cliff-hanger, conveniently fleshing out the myth of the German vote
(Feer 1952, 401).
[ ... ]
</quote>
As to Franklin's remarks,
<quote in-part op-cit>
[ ... ]
The English-only nativists who attacked the Germans used arguments
similar to those heard nowadays against newer immigrants. Benjamin
Franklin considered the Pennsylvania Germans to be a “swarthy” racial
group distinct from the English majority in the colony. In 1751 he
complained, “Why should the Palatine Boors be suffered to swarm into our
Settlements, and by herding together establish their Language and
Manners to the exclusion of ours? Why should Pennsylvania, founded by
the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous
as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt
our Language or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion?”
(The papers of Benjamin Franklin. Ed. Leonard W. Labaree. New Haven:
Yale Univ. Press, 1959. vol 4:234).
[ ... ]
</quote>
Tiny Human Ferret
There are reasons that the Anglo-Saxons -- remember if you will that the
Saxons originally came to Britain from Saxony -- call the lands of
origin "the Germanies". See also the word "germinal", or "germ" in the
sense of a seed.
The Saxons, ethnically, seem to have had a bit of history of
fallings-out with the western Germans, who were mostly Franks and
Allemands, with the occasional Alanni or Goth[1] wandering around in the
mix.
Saxons trended towards the blond hair and blue eyes which are still
quite common in England to this day among the non-Celts. The Franks and
Allemands tended more, respectively, to black hair and blue eyes, or
brown hair and green eyes.
Linguistically, there's no language closer to English than Dutch, and
there's no non-English language closer to Dutch than German.
If German, Dutch, and English had all imported Greek and Latin words in
the same way, they'd be nearly indistinguishable, other than for
traditions of sentence syntax. English tends to try to put the person
and action first and the object later, as in "I went to the store"; the
Germans tend to do it in reverse, as in, "to the store I went".
Ref:
1. Note that the family name of the related European royalty is a unity
of three clans, Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.
Alan Connor
<snip>
>
> Governor Lamm, walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone
> at the conference that our nation and the future of this great
> democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't
> get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it
> will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in
> its path, especially The American Dream.
>
>
>
Thanks. Considering how much better off the world would
be if Imperial America were to be rendered impotent,
I believe that I will encourage bi-lingualism,
multi-culturalism, and uncontrolled immigration at
every opportunity.
I've known a lot of recent immigrants. And I'd rather
have _any_ of them as neighbors than you and your ilk.
Really.
AC
--
If you posted to me, and I didn't reply to your post, it is
because I didn't read it. If I didn't read it, I won't be reading
any responses to it either.
Gunner
wrote:
The press gave JFKs orgies and sexual pecadillos a pass. In fact..many
in the press were reported to be involved.
As I said...famous people often get a pass historically if they were
great individuals.
Gunner
<ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Urban Legend. Franklin despised Germans.
>>>
>>>
>>><snips>
>>
>>
>> Really? Noted. Thanks.
>
>An excellent page on this is at:
>http://www.pbs.org/speak/seatosea/officialamerican/englishonly/
Many thanks. Very interesting and informative.
H. Reader
"Alan Connor" <zzz...@xxx.yyy> wrote in message news:NOsbe.13665$lP1....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> On misc.survivalism, in <9A5203ZE3846...@reece.net.au>, "R J Patterson" wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>
>> Governor Lamm, walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone
>> at the conference that our nation and the future of this great
>> democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't
>> get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it
>> will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in
>> its path, especially The American Dream.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Thanks. Considering how much better off the world would
> be if Imperial America were to be rendered impotent,
> I believe that I will encourage bi-lingualism,
> multi-culturalism, and uncontrolled immigration at
> every opportunity.
>
> I've known a lot of recent immigrants. And I'd rather
> have _any_ of them as neighbors than you and your ilk.
>
> Really.
That's probably because you're one of those self-loathing,
touchy-feely types, isn't it.
pyotr filipivich
<bra...@xspam.com> wrote back on Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:58:07 -0700 in
misc.survivalism :
Strom Thurmond??
Day Brown
>>>Idiot. No one censored anything. Don't you even know that we have freedom
>>>of speech and press in the USA?
>>
>>I saw it in action with my own eyes. I saw the TV cameras at the federal
>>court house filming our demonstration, and saw the evening news, which
>>showed the folks on the court house steps- them saying with the voice
>>over that about 60 people demonstrated at the federal court.
>>
>>the cameras never turned to the street where the *4000* who would not
>>fit on the courthouse steps were demonstrating.
> What were you protesting at the federal court house?
After Kent State. USF students in Tampa went to the Federal
court to complain of the facist way things were being done.
then again, in on July 31 1998, Law enforcement searched my Searcy
county property without a search warrent. The photographs of lab
equipment stored in my barn were characterized as meth lab gear
(which it was not, and never had been)- all over the front page of
the Marshall AR Mountain Wave Aug 8 edition.
Since I was the owner of the "biggest meth lab in NW Arkansas", I
went to the editor to complain of the slander. She would not print
a correction of what had actually happened. Understandable since
her office was right across the street from the courthouse, and
she wanted remain on good terms with the men there.
But this time, I had a computer, and ran off 200 copies on my own
printer which I circulated to country stores all over Searcy county,
about how all that stuff was left by a geeky chemistry student who
as then at the U of Indianna for his masters. The sherriff chose not
to run for re-election.
Branson Hunter
wrote:
>On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:58:03 -0700, Branson Hunter <bra...@xspam.com>
>wrote:
>>>The common versions of history often leave out the fact
>>>that Alexander the Great prefered men and boys over women.
>>Hard to understand with all those women of the world around him.
>Gay is gay. And some of the cultures of the time, including several
>today, Sparta, Islam... have the quaint saying.." Women are for
>children, boys and men are for pleasure"
>
>Shrug...different strokes for different folks.
Tolerance. Someone with tolerance. You can't have no stinking
tolerance. This is alt.california. Loaded with a bunch of intolerant
people.
>>>Lets just not discuss Abe Lincoln.
>>
>>Okay why not...
>
>Because he was one of the most sorry bastards to have ever walked the
>face of the earth. A wretch of a man and finally got what he deserved
>in Fords Theater.
You've got the ability to wow audiences. Never mind the question. I
withdraw it. We shouldn't go there.
>>Okay... then where are you political speaking?
>>
>According to the Libs, Im a Nazi. According to the Nazis, Im a Lib.
And according to the neo-conservatives?
>Personally, I consider myself to be a semi-compasionate conservative
>Libertarian. Small "L". As Larry Elder puts it..a Republitarian.
But you're fervently against the war. Isn't that a contradiction?
>Strong fiscal conservative, Libertarian in social issues, and a very
>strong pragmatist, having had the Idealism blown out of me at an early
>age...but one that strives for the conservatism, but does not make the
>mistake to consider conservatives to be racists, bigots, homophobes
>who want to starve our children, poison our air and water and force
>Grandma out in the snow to die, that most Libs consider us to be.
>
>Life member of the NRA, two tour combat, RVN, member of the
>Professional Rodeo Cowboys association, firearms instructor, lover of
>women, protector of cats and dogs, with a well developed grasp of
>geopolitics, history and military history, and a firm grip on reality,
>using reason, facts and logic to base my opinions on, not hate, bias,
>ignorance and bigotry to form the emotions most submerge themselves
>in.
Hey, pal, thanks for your answer.
>The 4 things in Life that make it worth living
>
>Fine guns, good books, easy women and a warm place to shit.
Damn... I'm eating granola here!
>Least favorite things: Liberals, cold coffee, wet toilet paper and
>emotional types who emote, not think things through.
FWIW, I'm not a liberal.
>Just your everyday regular harmless lovable fuzzball.
Harmless?! You had Rudy doing all sort of tricks...
Branson
No offense intended to Rudy.
Branson Hunter
<ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote:
[See note at bottom]
You know, Stan -- this is really an interesting post. I'm surprised.
You are capable of writing and make sense and not insult people with
putdowns or name calling. You score massive points. Thanks for
the post, buddy.
Branson
Jafo
>Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
>
>[See note at bottom]
>
It was a knowledgeable post typical of its author... who, BTW, isn't
Stan.
--
Jafo
Roedy's Master
> Would someone tell me the secret to having friends?
Gunner
wrote:
Against the war in Iraq? Im quite in favor of it. For a multiude of
reasons, the major one being its a Popeye Event.
"We've had all we can stand and we can stand no more".
We as the surviving sole superpower have entered a Cusp moment in
history. There are a bazillion groups seeking to fill the power
vacuum left by the fall of the USSR, who kept most of them in check
via their proxies. The old hatreds didnt go away...but they were kept
in check by power of the gun. Now they are allowed free run. The
Middle East is one of the most egregious areas, and the now rising
tide of Militant Islam is the most notible force rushing to fill in
the blanks left by the USSR. Similar in some ways to a bastardized
Code of Bushido, fed and promoted by power hungry mullahs, a few of
which may even be as sincere as the Commisars of the USSR..they are
not only a threat to the USA, but to the rest of the planet.
As driven by the same ideals of domination as that of world Communism,
the Muslims are driven by the ideal of World Islam. A 12th century
religion not in the slightest bit compatiable with 21st century
Western civilization and its freedoms and liberties. In its present
Wahabi controled form.
Id rather the rising tide be stopped now, rather than when they are a
much stronger force to be reckened with. Any group that considers
martyrdom to be a rightious and holy way to fight, is one that will
be a bitch to stop. See the Pacific Islands in WW2. Give them access
to nukes..and all bets are off.
So frankly...if we kill them now, demonstrate to them that they have
to play nice with others and that no..they do not own the
sandbox...its in my opinion, a good thing. As I mentioned..Im a
student of history..and I do NOT wish to have a Wahabi based fascist
Empire as a next door neighbor. Such folks tend to not stay on their
own property.
Do I like the US being forced into the role of Global policeman?
Fuck no. But given the inability of most of the rest of the world to
keep even their own back yards in order ...the Baltics comes to mind,
and the rapid incroachment of Islam in much of Europe...shrug
Those that oppose the war in Iraq are short sighted, and hold the
myopic Chamberlainisque ideas that if we simply declare Peace in Our
Times, the issue will go away on its own. Where in reality they may
be consigning their children and grandchildren to global war with a
powerful Islamic enemy. Frankly..Id like my grandkids to be able to
live free, walk on other planets, raise more generations and carry on
the blood line, rather than die out in some nameless battlefield or be
forced to bow to Mecca 6 times a day.
The Ottoman Empire, was the last tolerant Islamic geopolitical
entity..and with the advent of fascist, intolerant Wahabi
Islam...there will never again be any tolerance involved in
Islam..unless they are bitchslapped into changing.
So honestly..in my opinion..worth exactly what you paid for it...its a
matter of Them or Us. And Id rather it be Us (western style
civilization) that came out on top and on which future history is
based.
Im fascinated by the Left, who makes tolerance, diversity and
whatnot..so dead set against this cultural struggle. Militant Wahabi
Islam is the antithesis of everything they claim to hold near and dear
to their hearts, yet they cry out against stopping them. Odd.
I asked a gay friend of mine who is seriously anti-war about his
stance and he said that if we played nice, left them alone..we would
all live happily everafter. Then I told him that happily ever after
would involve him being thrown from a tall building because he was
gay. He sucked wind for a moment, then had no answer.
Far far too many shortsighted, or ignorant folks. They forgot what
Peace In Our Time evolved into.
>
>>Strong fiscal conservative, Libertarian in social issues, and a very
>>strong pragmatist, having had the Idealism blown out of me at an early
>>age...but one that strives for the conservatism, but does not make the
>>mistake to consider conservatives to be racists, bigots, homophobes
>>who want to starve our children, poison our air and water and force
>>Grandma out in the snow to die, that most Libs consider us to be.
>>
>>Life member of the NRA, two tour combat, RVN, member of the
>>Professional Rodeo Cowboys association, firearms instructor, lover of
>>women, protector of cats and dogs, with a well developed grasp of
>>geopolitics, history and military history, and a firm grip on reality,
>>using reason, facts and logic to base my opinions on, not hate, bias,
>>ignorance and bigotry to form the emotions most submerge themselves
>>in.
>
>Hey, pal, thanks for your answer.
My pleasure. So am I a Nazi, or a Liberal? LOL
>
>>The 4 things in Life that make it worth living
>>
>>Fine guns, good books, easy women and a warm place to shit.
>
>Damn... I'm eating granola here!
>
>>Least favorite things: Liberals, cold coffee, wet toilet paper and
>>emotional types who emote, not think things through.
>
>FWIW, I'm not a liberal.
I didnt figure you were. You actually appear to have a brain.
>
>>Just your everyday regular harmless lovable fuzzball.
>
>Harmless?! You had Rudy doing all sort of tricks...
>
>Branson
>No offense intended to Rudy.
Rudy, like his opponents, has some issues. But as far as I can
tell..his issues are not based on mindless hatred of others with a
different skin color.
Gunner
Liberals - Cosmopolitan critics, men who are the friends
of every country save their own. Benjamin Disraeli
pyotr filipivich
<gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote back on Tue, 26 Apr 2005 15:37:55 GMT in
misc.survivalism :
>On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:33:45 -0400, Gogarty <Gog...@Clongowes.edu>
>wrote:
>
>>In article <uebr61drihdqv3bas...@4ax.com>, bra...@xspam.com
>>says...
>>
>>>
>>>Lets say he may of been the JFK of his day.
>>>
>>Much, much more complex than that.
>
>The press gave JFKs orgies and sexual pecadillos a pass. In fact..many
>in the press were reported to be involved.
>
>As I said...famous people often get a pass historically if they were
>great individuals.
And not so famous ones. Personality flaws in a competent teacher get
labeled "quirks" or "eccentricities", but if the guy isn't liked, nothing
he does is "right".
Tiny Human Ferret
If true, my friends, "this is how Justice is served".
Media slander is not to be tolerated.
Elected officials who tolerate slander are to be disempowered by
whatever means are necessary.
Tiny Human Ferret
You appear to have confused me with someone else.
I am klaatu, the Tiny Human Ferret.
Please check your attributions, but I have to admit I cberish all
compliments.
Tiny Human Ferret
Thanks again.
I just had the thought that I had forgotten to mention the nature of the
"bit of a falling-out" with respect to the differences between the
Saxons and the Allemanni (also known as the Allemands, note that the
non-germanic name in Europe for the Germanies is "allemand", esp. in the
French; orig. cf deutsche "alles manner", "all Men") came to be a
genocide from the times of the medieval "witch hunts" in which villagers
would eradicate anyone not of their ethnic stock. This culminated in the
aptly-named "Thirty Years War" which resulted in the deaths of one-third
of all germanic people from around 1700 to 1730 and this was the driver
of a massive wave of emigration to the New World. See also any good
search-engine and combine the terms "germany" and "palatine". Cross
reference with the Mennonite and Amish movements; see also on variable
combinations of cross-reference "anabaptist". Include also "catholic"
and "lutheran" with the reference of "anabaptist" and perhaps a great
deal of history will come into a new and fascinating focus. See all the
interference of the various Scandinavian kingdoms; the influence in
particular of the Swedes and the Danes to eradicate all non-Lutheran
non-Catholic factions in the Germanies can't be overlooked if one is to
have any real grasp of the massive migration of entire clans and tribes
from Europe to the American Frontier.
You will be shocked to discover that a major driver of American colonial
and immigration history simply isn't taught in the schoolbooks, and in
particular wasn't taught in the aftermath of WWII.
Another shock is that there is no fact of American history which is more
incontrovertible than the fact that "Bleeding Kansas" bled because the
German-Americans simply wouldn't tolerate any form of slavery, they
remember being "serves" under the hateful terms of the Indenture and
even more they did despise the heritable slavery of the African Blacks
born in the USA. Not even the Spanish nor French passed slavery across
the generations; only the Anglo-Saxons did that and only to the
Anglo-Saxon law in America was the child of a slave also a slave. There
is no question that the slaves were freed at the points of
German-American bayonets and we would be quite happy to do it all over
again; and vis-a-vis the illegal aliens are the new slaves, imported and
useful to the unscrupulous only as long as they generate and perpetuate
an exploitable underclass, in the way we did not abandon the poor black
slaves and struck most harshly at the slavers rather than the slaves, we
shall strike most harshly at the unscrupulous rich who intend to import
a perpetual underclass to undermine the social gains of the
lower-middle-class.
Join Us!
or forever be considered a hypocrite.
Gunner
wrote:
>>>
>>>Okay... then where are you political speaking?
>>>
>>According to the Libs, Im a Nazi. According to the Nazis, Im a Lib.
>>
>>Shrug..tends to be a bit confusing.
>
>Apparently so. Its the third time you've mentioned this month.
>Cognitive dissonance will get to you after a while. Course, you
>could stop using "left" and "right". That would help.
I only mention it because Ive been tagged at least a half dozen times
this month as one or the other by the fringe kooks.
Frankly..when I look into the mirror each morning while trimming the
beard..Im quite comfortable with who I see staring back at me.
Gunner
wrote:
>>We as the surviving sole superpower have entered a Cusp moment in
>>history. There are a bazillion groups seeking to fill the power
>>vacuum left by the fall of the USSR, who kept most of them in check
>>via their proxies.
>
>There are only groups of insane people who conspire to hijack the
>power of a governments for their personal gain. Remove these
>people and rely on self-governance and international conflict
>would disappear.
>
Good luck. Its called Greed and Self Interest. They havent ID;d that
gene yet and it will be millenia till its bred out of the species. At
wich point the species will die out.
>
>>The old hatreds didnt go away...but they were kept
>>in check by power of the gun. Now they are allowed free run. The
>>Middle East is one of the most egregious areas, and the now rising
>>tide of Militant Islam is the most notible force rushing to fill in
>>the blanks left by the USSR. Similar in some ways to a bastardized
>>Code of Bushido, fed and promoted by power hungry mullahs, a few of
>>which may even be as sincere as the Commisars of the USSR..they are
>>not only a threat to the USA, but to the rest of the planet.
>
>Only when fed a constant diet of armament by the US, China, UK
>and Russia. To wit, just this week Syria announced it is is
>buying missles from Putin's Russia.
Yes and? Gonna disarm them how exactly?
>
>You consistently underestimate the damage and strife that has
>been directly caused by these countries, including your country.
>Partly I suspect because you closely identify with power
>structures rather than the cultures themselves. The US is *not*
>the federal goverment; Russia is *not* Putin. etc.
>
The US is not Hip Hop culture, or Deep South culture, or Naselchucits
culture. Please point out US culture for me.
>It would be an easy matter to embargo, to contain, the middle
>east. Impose a hundred year off-limits and the Semites would
>lose their zeal and settle down to their sheep, cattle, trading,
>and agriculture.
>
Sure it would. And Ayers Rock can be made to fly.
>
>>As driven by the same ideals of domination as that of world Communism,
>>the Muslims are driven by the ideal of World Islam. A 12th century
>>religion not in the slightest bit compatiable with 21st century
>>Western civilization and its freedoms and liberties. In its present
>>Wahabi controled form.
>>
>>Id rather the rising tide be stopped now, rather than when they are a
>>much stronger force to be reckened with. Any group that considers
>>martyrdom to be a rightious and holy way to fight, is one that will
>>be a bitch to stop. See the Pacific Islands in WW2. Give them access
>>to nukes..and all bets are off.
>>
>>So frankly...if we kill them now, demonstrate to them that they have
>>to play nice with others and that no..they do not own the
>>sandbox...its in my opinion, a good thing. As I mentioned..Im a
>>student of history..and I do NOT wish to have a Wahabi based fascist
>>Empire as a next door neighbor. Such folks tend to not stay on their
>>own property.
>
>Excellent examples of how you are perpetuating the problems.
>
><snipped>
Based on some of your more extremist views....that comment is
touching.
Godzilla Pimp
GP
"R J Patterson" <rjpat...@home.usa> wrote in message
news:9A5203ZE3846...@reece.net.au...
>
> The Bush regime and many of our political & business honchos
> are following the plan with great success.
> --------------------
>
> Eight Steps To Destroy America
> 1-30-5
>
> Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and
> that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit
> suicide.'"
>
> "Here is how they do it," former Governor of Colorado Richard Lamm
> said:
>
> (First) ;"Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bi-
> cultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the
> tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages
> and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual;
> however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.
>
> "The historical scholar Seymour Lipset put it this way: 'The histories
> of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are
> histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada, Belgium,
> Malaysia, Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which
> minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and
> Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France
> faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."
>
> Lamm went on:
>
> (Second:) "Invent 'multi-culturalism' and encourage immigrants to
> maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all
> cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would
> make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates
> are due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other
> explanation is out of bounds.
>
> "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much
> effort.
>
> (Third:) The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As
> Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent
> success of our own multi-ethnic and multi-cultural experiment might
> have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony.
>
> Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically and what it
> meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism
> to hold us together.'" Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to
> keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot
> metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that
> we have various cultural sub-groups living in America reinforcing
> their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their
> similarities."
>
> "Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least
> educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated,
> undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this
> second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."
>
> "My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations
> and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in
> ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I
> would get all minorities to think their lack of success was the fault
> of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all
> minority failure on the majority population."
>
> "My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship
> and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity.
> I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people
> worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they
> are not killing each other."
>
> "A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical
> precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation
> together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they
> belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and
> literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in
> the Olympic games. A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty. Yet
> all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local
> patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political
> divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- From many, one. In that
> historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead
> of the 'unum,' we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."
>
> "Next to last, (Seventh:) I would place all subjects off limits - make
> it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I
> would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that
> stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or
> 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate."
>
> "Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having
> established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the
> doctrine of 'Victimology,'
>
> (Eighth:) I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration
> laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good
> for America , it must always be good. I would make every individual
> immigrant sympatric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of
> them."
>
> In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow.
> Profound silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor
> Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It
> exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to
> be destroyed, don't read that book."
>
> There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous
> cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that
> room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically,
> quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Every
> discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the
> foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness.
> Barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing
> as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the
> Third World as corporations create a Third World in America - take
> note of California and other states - to date, ten million illegal
> aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book
> "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of
> Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance
> is strength."
Dan
"Gunner" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote
> with a well developed grasp of
> geopolitics, history and military history, and a firm grip on reality,
Not if your posts are any indication of the person behind them...
> using reason, facts and logic to base my opinions on
You forgot "comedian."
> not hate, bias, ignorance and bigotry to form the emotions most
> submerge themselves in.
And obviously not self-reflective or at all aware of himself.
Everyone has issues with "hate, bias, ignorance and bigotry." It
is the human condition. For many millions of years these assisted
our survival as a species. To claim that one is unaffected by them
shows a profound ignorance. Only when one recognizes these
factors in himself can (s)he see them in others, and only by this
recognition can one make an attempt to address them and counter
them in his or her daily life. To willfully remain ignorant of them
is to propagate them, as Runner demon-strates daily here in this
newsgroup.
> The 4 things in Life that make it worth living
>
> Fine guns... ...easy women...
Sorry and pathetic in a person of his age. A teenager, OK,
but an "adult?" And to proudly state them publicly as a GOOD
THING shows a marded immaturity, both mental and moral.
> Least favorite things: ...
> emotional types who emote, not think things through.
Must suck to hate himself...
Dan
--
"White people in this country will have quite enough to do in learning how
to accept and love themselves and each other, and when they have achieved
this - which will not be tomorrow and may very well be never - the Negro
problem will no longer exist, for it will no longer be needed."
- James Baldwin -
"The Fire Next Time"
nitin_pa...@hotmail.com
academics about the salad bowl rather than the melting pot, but really
it still is a melting pot. When I consider most of the immigrants or
their children/grandchildren that I know, it is clear that assimilation
is still the norm. Do you disagree?
H. Reader
<nitin_pa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1114994610....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Certainly Mexicans aren't assimilating. They're colonizing.
Bruce Mallory
"H. Reader" <histor...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:dnfde.9149$xy.7915@trnddc08...
So are the Chinese. I didn't realize there are entire cities in America
where you need to speak Mandarin to find your way around. Don't believe it?
Visit Monterey Park, CA to start...
Bruce M.
P.S. I didn't mean to criticize the Chinese immigrants at all. I really like
them a lot. Very modest, hard-working, deeply wise people.
Gunner
wrote:
but cheap...geezus they are cheap.
Robert Sturgeon
The ones I know are assimilating. They're just as good
"Americans" as you'll ever be - better, in fact, because
they aren't blinded by bigotry.
--
Robert Sturgeon
Summum ius summa inuria.
http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/
H. Reader
"Robert Sturgeon" <rst...@inreach.com> wrote in message news:qsec71h4akeprpv7t...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 02 May 2005 01:28:41 GMT, "H. Reader"
> <histor...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>><nitin_pa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1114994610....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>>> Even today, most immigrants do assimilate. Maybe there was talk among
>>> academics about the salad bowl rather than the melting pot, but really
>>> it still is a melting pot. When I consider most of the immigrants or
>>> their children/grandchildren that I know, it is clear that assimilation
>>> is still the norm. Do you disagree?
>>
>> Certainly Mexicans aren't assimilating. They're colonizing.
>
> The ones I know are assimilating.
So the several of your acquaintance are representative of the
millions of Mexicans in this country. I see.
> They're just as good
> "Americans" as you'll ever be - better, in fact, because
> they aren't blinded by bigotry.
Apparently you're blinded by arrogance, moral vanity, and stupidity.
How special.
Robert Sturgeon
<histor...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>"Robert Sturgeon" <rst...@inreach.com> wrote in message news:qsec71h4akeprpv7t...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 02 May 2005 01:28:41 GMT, "H. Reader"
>> <histor...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>><nitin_pa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1114994610....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Even today, most immigrants do assimilate. Maybe there was talk among
>>>> academics about the salad bowl rather than the melting pot, but really
>>>> it still is a melting pot. When I consider most of the immigrants or
>>>> their children/grandchildren that I know, it is clear that assimilation
>>>> is still the norm. Do you disagree?
>>>
>>> Certainly Mexicans aren't assimilating. They're colonizing.
>>
>> The ones I know are assimilating.
>
> So the several of your acquaintance are representative of the
>millions of Mexicans in this country. I see.
And YOU know all about the millions of Mexicans in this
country?
>> They're just as good
>> "Americans" as you'll ever be - better, in fact, because
>> they aren't blinded by bigotry.
>
> Apparently you're blinded by arrogance, moral vanity, and stupidity.
>How special.
I'll take my vision over yours, any day.
Graphic Queen
So, you like being ignorant?
GQ
H. Reader
"Robert Sturgeon" <rst...@inreach.com> wrote in message news:26id715aq38egd9kj...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 02 May 2005 17:24:04 GMT, "H. Reader"
> <histor...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Robert Sturgeon" <rst...@inreach.com> wrote in message news:qsec71h4akeprpv7t...@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 02 May 2005 01:28:41 GMT, "H. Reader"
>>> <histor...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>><nitin_pa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1114994610....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> Even today, most immigrants do assimilate. Maybe there was talk among
>>>>> academics about the salad bowl rather than the melting pot, but really
>>>>> it still is a melting pot. When I consider most of the immigrants or
>>>>> their children/grandchildren that I know, it is clear that assimilation
>>>>> is still the norm. Do you disagree?
>>>>
>>>> Certainly Mexicans aren't assimilating. They're colonizing.
>>>
>>> The ones I know are assimilating.
>>
>> So the several of your acquaintance are representative of the
>>millions of Mexicans in this country. I see.
>
> And YOU know all about the millions of Mexicans in this
> country?
No. I just hear lots and lots of them speaking Spanish around me.
I see once pleasant neighborhoods trashed by them. I hear their
ridiculous music at mega-decibles. I notice how they want bilingual
education, bilingual ballots, "hispanics" to sit on boards and councils.
I see them flying Mexican flags, promoting Mexican nationalism
and reconquista ... They're colonizing, not assimilating.
>>> They're just as good
>>> "Americans" as you'll ever be - better, in fact, because
>>> they aren't blinded by bigotry.
>>
>> Apparently you're blinded by arrogance, moral vanity, and stupidity.
>>How special.
>
> I'll take my vision over yours, any day.
So exactly how many illegals are on your payroll?
Robert Sturgeon
<histor...@verizon.net> wrote:
(snips)
> So exactly how many illegals are on your payroll?
None.
H. Reader
"Robert Sturgeon" <rst...@inreach.com> wrote in message news:tu1f719m4pghlvorb...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 03 May 2005 05:24:17 GMT, "H. Reader"
> <histor...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> (snips)
>
>> So exactly how many illegals are on your payroll?
>
> None.
Yet you do love them so, don't you, despite the destruction
the heap upon your country. You're quite a guy.
Dan
"H. Reader" <histor...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Umtde.4837$k01.1590@trnddc03...
>
> "Robert Sturgeon" <rst...@inreach.com> wrote in message
news:qsec71h4akeprpv7t...@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 02 May 2005 01:28:41 GMT, "H. Reader"
> > <histor...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >><nitin_pa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1114994610....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> >>> Even today, most immigrants do assimilate. Maybe there was talk among
> >>> academics about the salad bowl rather than the melting pot, but really
> >>> it still is a melting pot. When I consider most of the immigrants or
> >>> their children/grandchildren that I know, it is clear that
assimilation
> >>> is still the norm. Do you disagree?
> >>
> >> Certainly Mexicans aren't assimilating. They're colonizing.
> >
> > The ones I know are assimilating.
>
> So the several of your acquaintance are representative of the
> millions of Mexicans in this country. I see.
So, the zero of your acquaintances are representative of, what, exactly.
But the vast number of your stereotypes DO stand out...
Better luck in the next life.
H. Reader
"Dan" <dnad...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:MGSde.31645$Jg7....@fe03.lga...
>
>
> "H. Reader" <histor...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:Umtde.4837$k01.1590@trnddc03...
>>
>> "Robert Sturgeon" <rst...@inreach.com> wrote in message
> news:qsec71h4akeprpv7t...@4ax.com...
>> > On Mon, 02 May 2005 01:28:41 GMT, "H. Reader"
>> > <histor...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >><nitin_pa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1114994610....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>> >>> Even today, most immigrants do assimilate. Maybe there was talk among
>> >>> academics about the salad bowl rather than the melting pot, but really
>> >>> it still is a melting pot. When I consider most of the immigrants or
>> >>> their children/grandchildren that I know, it is clear that
> assimilation
>> >>> is still the norm. Do you disagree?
>> >>
>> >> Certainly Mexicans aren't assimilating. They're colonizing.
>> >
>> > The ones I know are assimilating.
>>
>> So the several of your acquaintance are representative of the
>> millions of Mexicans in this country. I see.
>
> So, the zero of your acquaintances are representative of, what, exactly.
> But the vast number of your stereotypes DO stand out...
Stereotypes? I drive through Mexican neighborhoods, which
were once nice American neighborhoods, everyday. I know cops.
I know school teachers and administrators. I know judges and
lawyers. I read. To claim that Mexicans are colonizing rather
than assimilating isn't about stereotyping; it's an obvious fact..
> Better luck in the next life.
Better luck to you in this life.