Conservative leaders become whistleblowers, insist on telling the truth about the GOP

[Ramon F. Herrera]

It is that time of the year, to parade my massive and growing
collection.

-Ramon

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[Ramon F. Herrera]

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1) Ask this lady:

"Of course it is racist! My dad cannot say it, but I can".
-Meghan McCain, born and raised in Arizona, when asked about AZ
SB-1070.

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[Ramon F. Herrera]

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(2) You may want to ask Dick Armey, Founder and Funder of the Tea
Party:

"With Latinos forming the fastest-growing electoral bloc in the
nation, Armey says the GOP seems to be saying, “Let’s go out and
alienate them.” Armey said socially conservative Latino and African
American voters are natural constituents for the GOP ... if
Republicans don’t push them away. “The party was born with the
Emancipation Proclamation,” he said. But today, he added, “it can’t
get a black [or Hispanic] vote to save its life.” (**)

http://tinyurl.Com/6bb6tes

Dick Armey, Founder and Funder of the Tea Party.

(**) I am sure you folks wonder what happened after Mr. Armey made
those sensible statements. The likes of Michelle Bachmann and Glenn
Beck told him to STFU, and he obliged: the angry bagger mobs drowned
his calls for rationality.

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[Ramon F. Herrera]

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(3) MSNBC's O'Donnell: "You Republican strategists are saying: 'How do
we undo this!? Look what we have done to the Latino voters... How can
we possibly get them back?'"

Steve Schmidt, Top Republican Strategist (*), agreeing: "If we [the
GOP] had a deliberate strategy to antagonize every Latino voter in
this country, it is not possible that we could have done a better
job".

"The Republican Party cannot be a national party if it doesn't compete
in the Hispanic market - Look at those numbers: we have big, big
problems."

(*) Played by Woody Harrelson in the McCain campaign HBO movie.

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[Ramon F. Herrera]

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(4) Check with Jeb Bush:

http://tinyurl.Com/6drgb6h
http://tinyurl.Com/73joubu
http://tinyurl.Com/7d3l9cr
http://swampland.time.Com/2012/02/24/did-jeb-bush-actually-say-that/

Jeb married a Mexican lady, and they lived here in Houston. After she
was ostracized in the country clubs, they decided to move to a city
where Hispanics rule: Miami. He has been one of the most popular
politicians in Florida's history. Founded some Hispanic group (not for
the poor!!).

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[Ramon F. Herrera]

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(5) Texas GOP official -- "Hispanics and Asian Americans are
"maggots" who voted for Obama"

http://www.star-telegram.Com/2012/11/08/4399621/hardin-county-gop-official-wants.html

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[Ramon F. Herrera]

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
(6) Check with this guy:

“The demographics race we’re losing badly,” said Sen. Lindsey O.
Graham (R, SC). “We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay
in business for the long term.”

http://tinyurl.Com/8knh2ul

ps: Where he tactfully said "anger" he meant "filled with hatred" or
"racists"

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[Ramon F Herrera]

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(7) Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, Colin Powell's chief of staff : 'My
party is full of racists’

http://goo.gl/NbVgK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3HsZ_4fZoU

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[Ramon F Herrera]

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(8) Colin Powell Accuses GOP Of Racism: They ‘Still Look Down On
Minorities'

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/colin-powell-accuses-gop-of-racism-they-still-look-down-on-minorities/

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[Ramon F Herrera]

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(9) “Republicans have been losing both the respect and votes of a
group of people who already identify with many of our beliefs in
family, faith and conservative values. Hispanics should be a natural
and sizable part of the Republican base,” Rand Paul said. “But they
have steadily drifted away from the GOP in each election. I think this
says more about Republicans than it does about Hispanics.”

http://www.washingtonpost.Com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2013/03/19/rand-paul-on-immigration-reform/

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[Ramon F. Cabanaboy]

The Trayvon Martin Trial; Law-Abiding Latino Forced To Shoot Violent,
Criminal Black Savage In Self-Defense; America Takes Sides; Latinos
Versus Negroes
Which side are you on?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trayvon-martin-america-takes-sides-8651354.html
-----
(snicker)

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­-

[Ramon F. Herrera]

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Does he know what a racist is?


And isn't the world full of racist, I know the Democrat-Socialist party
is full of Liberal racist types.

--



*Rumination*
#4 - When it comes to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, there
are NO moderates.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 6/14/2013 3:46 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> (6) Check with this guy:
>
> “The demographics race we’re losing badly,” said Sen. Lindsey O.
> Graham (R, SC). “We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay
> in business for the long term.”

The whole idea that people vote by skin color is racist.

If you pander to people that tell you this you are lapping up their
racist propaganda.

If you put your skin color above your country and vote race rather than
voting what is best for the Nation, you are the racist.


What people do this, It's NOT a race that does this it's the Liberal
ideology that is based on race that does this. The core values of
Liberalism are about race and use race as a tool to use to get
elected.... rather than voting for what's best for the Nation as their
basic core value.


#11 - A little Liberalism like a little alcohol, can be a good thing but
when either one of them take control, they become self destructive.

*Rumination*

#1 - Liberalism is based on race and is inherently racist because in
Liberalism, race is the one thing from which all else is derived.

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On Jun 14, 9:40 am, BeamMeUpScotty

<ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:

> And isn't the world full of racist, I know the
> Democrat-Socialist party is full of Liberal racist types.

Can you back up that contention using the same (*) strategy as I did?

I dare you to find ONE Liberal who says "My party is full of racists".

-Ramon

(*) Genial, if you pardon my lack of modesty.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 6/14/2013 11:08 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>
> On Jun 14, 9:40 am, BeamMeUpScotty
> <ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>
> > And isn't the world full of racist, I know the
> > Democrat-Socialist party is full of Liberal racist types.
>
> Can you back up that contention using the same (*) strategy as I did?
>
> I dare you to find ONE Liberal who says "My party is full of racists".

I dare you to find a Liberal that isn't lying about their ideology.

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On Jun 14, 10:27 am, BeamMeUpScotty

You just insulted A LOT OF VOTERS!

Do Jews know that the real anti-Semite, Neo-Nazi party is the
Democrat???

-Ramon

NB: Jews are the most loyal Democratic voters (75%), only surpassed by
Blacks (96%).

[The truth will set you free]

Of gay porno?

[The truth will set you free]

On 6/14/2013 5:40 AM, Ramon F. Cabanaboy wrote:
> The Trayvon Martin Trial; Law-Abiding Latino Forced To Shoot Violent,
> Criminal Black Savage In Self-Defense; America Takes Sides; Latinos
> Versus Negroes
> Which side are you on?
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trayvon-martin-america-takes-sides-8651354.html
> -----
> (snicker)
>
> On Jun 14, 3:36 am, "Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>> It is that time of the year, to parade my massive and growing
>> collection.
>>
>> -Ramon
>>

He is on the side of the other government sock puppets, paid to post
Obama propaganda and anything to demean America.

[The truth will set you free]

American Jews relish the role of martyr. They can't wait to be punished
by Obama and the Maxists. They will sing all the way to the showers.

[deadrat]

On 6/14/13 10:08 AM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> On 6/14/2013 3:46 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

<snipped: projection about race/>

Oh, look! Nothing left.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Child porn...


Liberals are very accepting of sexual differences.


Loving children is really no worse than any other sexual preference
according to Liberalism.

[richard]

IF the man acted in true self defense, then yes he should be set free.
Makes no differnce what the skin color is or heritage is.

The thing about this case is, Zimmerman had no legal cause to act as a
police officer and even question Martin about anything.
Let alone "hold" Martin for the cops.
Regardless of Martin's past history, which is inadmissable evidence, it is
Zimmerman's actions that are on trial, not Martin's.

The question has always been, do you have the legal right to shoot and kill
someone who hit you with their fists and that person was not armed?
The answer is no, you do not.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 6/14/2013 11:37 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
> On Jun 14, 10:27 am, BeamMeUpScotty
> <ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>> On 6/14/2013 11:08 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 14, 9:40 am, BeamMeUpScotty
>>> <ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>>
>>> > And isn't the world full of racist, I know the
>>> > Democrat-Socialist party is full of Liberal racist types.
>>
>>> Can you back up that contention using the same (*) strategy as I did?
>>
>>> I dare you to find ONE Liberal who says "My party is full of racists".
>>
>
> > I dare you to find a Liberal that isn't lying about their ideology.
>
> You just insulted A LOT OF VOTERS!

The truth is more important to me than any votes I may produce by
sucking up to and lying to people.


I'd rather go down in flames telling the truth, than to sell my soul to
get a few votes like you've been doing.


You have taught us a lot about your self and your Liberal ideoreligion
right here right now.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Liberal-Socialist censorship is funny stuff isn't it?


delete my post and use the IRS to silence the TEA PARTY..... That's a
positive plan for a Nation so proud of its freedoms.

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On Jun 14, 11:22 am, The truth will set you free

<deutsc...@mutter.com> wrote:

> American Jews relish the role of martyr.
> They can't wait to be punished by Obama and the Maxists.
> They will sing all the way to the showers.

We will take your posts as an admission that you are in Grupo Número
Uno.

-Ramon

--------------------------------

There are THREE kinds of Conservatives:

• One group is busy spreading hatred

• Another group is busy denying that the first group exists

• The 3rd. group is Colin Powell

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 6/14/2013 3:40 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> (3) MSNBC's O'Donnell: "You Republican strategists are saying: 'How do
> we undo this!? Look what we have done to the Latino voters... How can
> we possibly get them back?'"
>

Why would Republicans want people that would vote based on skin color?


You must want the KKK voters too, because they will also vote based on
skin color like you Liberals want people to do.


Their actual skin color is irrelevant, the important fact is that they
will vote based on skin color. That's the basis of Liberalism.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 6/14/2013 3:38 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
> "With Latinos forming the fastest-growing electoral bloc in the
> nation,

...."]


Skin color is reduced by Liberalism to being a voting bloc?


Boy is that racist.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 6/14/2013 3:37 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 1) Ask this lady:
>
> "Of course it is racist! My dad cannot say it, but I can".
> -Meghan McCain, born and raised in Arizona, when asked about AZ
> SB-1070.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
WHO????????

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On Jun 14, 11:56 am, BeamMeUpScotty

Scott:

I dare (invite you, encourage you, ask you, whatever) you to declare
your position respect to the post below.

Let's pretend that people in Congress are reading your answer.

-Ramon

--------------------

Newsgroups: alt.politics, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, misc.legal,
alt.politics.economics, talk.politics.guns
From: The truth will set you free <deutsc...@mutter.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 09:22:03 -0700
Local: Fri, Jun 14 2013 11:22 am
Subject: Re: Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, Colin Powell's chief of staff :
'My party is full of racists’

[BeamMeUpScotty]

My position is that I didn't write it.....

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On Jun 14, 12:57 pm, BeamMeUpScotty

[In a very irresponsible way, Scott wrote:]

> My position is that I didn't write it.....

But you are making jokes with the author. You provide him legitimacy.
You two laugh together. You welcome him as voter for your candidates.

You then wonder why Jewish voters reject you massively (regardless of
how many aircraft carriers or other war toys the Republicans give
Israel).

I would never allow a Liberal to make a comment like that without
giving them an earful/eyeful.

Interestingly, one NEVER finds those comments from Liberals.

The left hates IDEAS (which is fine!)
The Right (PEOPLE).

-Ramon

[RD Sandman]

richard <nor...@example.com> wrote in
news:11dpwazvhxk7q.6030kvzxbkbd$.d...@40tude.net:

> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 05:40:07 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F. Cabanaboy wrote:
>
>> The Trayvon Martin Trial; Law-Abiding Latino Forced To Shoot Violent,
>> Criminal Black Savage In Self-Defense; America Takes Sides; Latinos
>> Versus Negroes
>> Which side are you on?
>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trayvon-martin-americ
>> a-takes-sides-8651354.html -----
>> (snicker)
>>
>> On Jun 14, 3:36 am, "Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>>> It is that time of the year, to parade my massive and growing
>>> collection.
>>>
>>> -Ramon
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ------­-
>
> IF the man acted in true self defense, then yes he should be set free.
> Makes no differnce what the skin color is or heritage is.
>
> The thing about this case is, Zimmerman had no legal cause to act as a
> police officer and even question Martin about anything.
> Let alone "hold" Martin for the cops.
> Regardless of Martin's past history, which is inadmissable evidence,
> it is Zimmerman's actions that are on trial, not Martin's.

Except for that final confrontation. Who is determined to have started
the physical portion will go a long way. What will be interesting is how
that will be deduced by the jury.

> The question has always been, do you have the legal right to shoot and
> kill someone who hit you with their fists and that person was not
> armed? The answer is no, you do not.

Problems with that. A person can most certainly kill you with their bare
hands and Zimmerman had no way of knowing whether or not Martin was
armed. He could make a supposition that he was not but he didn't know
for sure, AFAIK. The bottom line will most likely come down to who the
jury believes started the physical portion of the encounter.

The legal right for self defense including the use of deadly physical
force comes down to whether or not a "reasonable person" would belive
that there was an immediate fear of loss of life or serious bodily harm
to oneself or an innocent third party. For "reasonable person" read that
as the police, a prosecutor, a judge, or the jury.



--
Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman

Old Air Force adage..The only time you have too
much fuel is when you are on fire!!

[BeamMeUpScotty]

I laugh and joke with the check-out girl at the grocery store.... That
doesn't mean I agree that she should beat her elderly mother and steal
the old ladies Social Security check.


What a useless human bag of water you are.


Are you Liberal types really this desperate?


You want to destroy me on a personal level with your Saul Alinsky "RULES
FOR RADICALS" tactics and you're desperately trying to link me to
anything that will help you engage in your agenda of personal attacks?


You Liberals try so hard to group people together so you can use their
groups differences to drive a wedge and destroy others possible
alliances, that's very duplicitous and underhanded.







This is just pitiful Liberal behavior, have you violated any religious
organizations or any TEA PARTY GROUPS at you Government JOB in the IRS?

Hows was that one "almost as good as yours wasn't it?"

[deadrat]

On 6/14/13 12:05 PM, richard wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 05:40:07 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F. Cabanaboy wrote:
>
>> The Trayvon Martin Trial; Law-Abiding Latino Forced To Shoot Violent,
>> Criminal Black Savage In Self-Defense; America Takes Sides; Latinos
>> Versus Negroes
>> Which side are you on?
>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trayvon-martin-america-takes-sides-8651354.html
>> -----
>> (snicker)
>>
>> On Jun 14, 3:36 am, "Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>>> It is that time of the year, to parade my massive and growing
>>> collection.
>>>
>>> -Ramon
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­-
>
> IF the man acted in true self defense, then yes he should be set free.
> Makes no differnce what the skin color is or heritage is.
>
> The thing about this case is, Zimmerman had no legal cause to act as a
> police officer

He wasn't. By all accounts he was in a public place where he was
allowed to be.

> and even question Martin about anything.

Zimmerman can legally question anyone about anything. Because 1st
Amendment. No one has to pay any attention to Zimmerman, of course.

> Let alone "hold" Martin for the cops.

Zimmerman couldn't legally hold (why the scare quotes?) Martin unless
he, Zimmerman, had witnessed Martin commit a crime. But no account of
that night has mention of a citizens arrest.

> Regardless of Martin's past history, which is inadmissable evidence, it is
> Zimmerman's actions that are on trial, not Martin's.

True. But Martin's actions may provide Zimmerman an affirmative defense.

> The question has always been, do you have the legal right to shoot and kill
> someone who hit you with their fists and that person was not armed?
> The answer is no, you do not.

The answer in Florida is that you have the legal right to shoot and kill
someone whom you reasonably fear will harm you.

[deadrat]

The IRS didn't silence the teahadists, you blithering ignoramus. The
IRS held up tax-free status for some of the money-laundering operations.
But this couldn't affect their political activities. Their political
donations weren't tax deductible whether they got registration or not;
their expenditures on individual campaigns were taxable whether they got
registration of not. Tax exemption would have been retroactive, and so
far the only groups that have had tax-exempt status rejected were
liberal groups.

In any case, these weren't money-making operations; they were money
spending operations.

[deadrat]

On 6/14/13 12:44 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> On 6/14/2013 3:40 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> (3) MSNBC's O'Donnell: "You Republican strategists are saying: 'How do
>> we undo this!? Look what we have done to the Latino voters... How can
>> we possibly get them back?'"
>>
>
> Why would Republicans want people that would vote based on skin color?

It's their base?

[deadrat]

Er, Sparky? Latinos don't form a race. You might want to get that
straight about your future masters.

[deadrat]

Probably in most states. Possibly in Florida, but SYG allows you to use
deadly force if you're reasonably in fear for your life or safety. If
so, you may be the first to use physical force.

> What will be interesting is how
> that will be deduced by the jury.

They don't have to. If they find reasonable doubt that Zimmerman wasn't
in fear for his life, they acquit without the deduction.

>> The question has always been, do you have the legal right to shoot and
>> kill someone who hit you with their fists and that person was not
>> armed? The answer is no, you do not.
>
> Problems with that. A person can most certainly kill you with their bare
> hands and Zimmerman had no way of knowing whether or not Martin was
> armed. He could make a supposition that he was not but he didn't know
> for sure, AFAIK. The bottom line will most likely come down to who the
> jury believes started the physical portion of the encounter.

Again, the important issue is not who started the fight, but who was in
fear for his life.

[deadrat]

As she rolls her eyes in contempt, no doubt.

> That
> doesn't mean I agree that she should beat her elderly mother and steal
> the old ladies Social Security check.
>
>
> What a useless human bag of water you are.
>
>
> Are you Liberal types really this desperate?
>
>
> You want to destroy me on a personal level

Er, Sparky? No one gives a shit about you on a personal level. OR any
level.

> with your Saul Alinsky "RULES FOR RADICALS" tactics

Have read them? There's nothing nefarious in them.

> and you're desperately trying to link me to
> anything that will help you engage in your agenda of personal attacks?

Crymeafugginriver, you hypocrite. You're one of the most abusive
posters on misc.legal. But here's a hint: just 'cause people make fun
of your ignorance, doesn't mean anyone is out to destroy you. It's just
usenet.

<projection>

> You Liberals try so hard to group people together so you can use their
> groups differences to drive a wedge and destroy others possible
> alliances, that's very duplicitous and underhanded.

</projection>

It's always about the projection.

>
> This is just pitiful Liberal behavior, have you violated any religious
> organizations or any TEA PARTY GROUPS at you Government JOB in the IRS?

The IRS hasn't violated any teahadist or religious organization.

<snip/>

[RD Sandman]

deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote in
news:cIWdnbZ6H-q04ibM...@giganews.com:

> On 6/14/13 1:52 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>> richard <nor...@example.com> wrote in
>> news:11dpwazvhxk7q.6030kvzxbkbd$.d...@40tude.net:
>>
>>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 05:40:07 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F. Cabanaboy wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Trayvon Martin Trial; Law-Abiding Latino Forced To Shoot
>>>> Violent, Criminal Black Savage In Self-Defense; America Takes
>>>> Sides; Latinos Versus Negroes
>>>> Which side are you on?
>>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trayvon-martin-amer
>>>> ic a-takes-sides-8651354.html -----
>>>> (snicker)
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 14, 3:36 am, "Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>>>>> It is that time of the year, to parade my massive and growing
>>>>> collection.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Ramon
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------

>>>>> -- ------ｭ-

>>>
>>> IF the man acted in true self defense, then yes he should be set
>>> free. Makes no differnce what the skin color is or heritage is.
>>>
>>> The thing about this case is, Zimmerman had no legal cause to act as
>>> a police officer and even question Martin about anything.
>>> Let alone "hold" Martin for the cops.
>>> Regardless of Martin's past history, which is inadmissable evidence,
>>> it is Zimmerman's actions that are on trial, not Martin's.
>>
>> Except for that final confrontation. Who is determined to have
>> started the physical portion will go a long way.
>
> Probably in most states. Possibly in Florida, but SYG allows you to
> use deadly force if you're reasonably in fear for your life or safety.

Stand you ground in Florida consists of eight words in the self defense
statute 776.012. That statute reads:

"776.012 Use of force in defense of person.輸 person is justified in
using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent
that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to
defend himself or herself or another against the other's imminent use of
unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force
and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to
prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or
another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or

(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

See that part about being justified......if ..he or she reasonable
believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great
bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent
commission of a forcible felony, or (then it goes on to cover 776.013
which is Castle Doctrine and not an issue in this case).

Just what about that do you feel is much different than what I said?

> If so, you may be the first to use physical force.

Yes, but there is that pesky "reasonable person" syndrome. That probably
wouldn't come in to play without aggressive action on Martin's part.

>> What will be interesting is how
>> that will be deduced by the jury.
>
> They don't have to. If they find reasonable doubt that Zimmerman
> wasn't in fear for his life, they acquit without the deduction.

In Florida the burden of proof is on the prosecution. Angela Corey will
have to prove to the jury that Zimmerman's claim of self defense has no
merit. The burden is on her, not Zimmerman. However, if she can
manipulate testimony right, she can, essentially, place that burden on
Zimmerman in the minds of the jury.

>>> The question has always been, do you have the legal right to shoot
>>> and kill someone who hit you with their fists and that person was
>>> not armed? The answer is no, you do not.
>>
>> Problems with that. A person can most certainly kill you with their
>> bare hands and Zimmerman had no way of knowing whether or not Martin
>> was armed. He could make a supposition that he was not but he didn't
>> know for sure, AFAIK. The bottom line will most likely come down to
>> who the jury believes started the physical portion of the encounter.
>
> Again, the important issue is not who started the fight, but who was
> in fear for his life.

Which generally is not the person who started the fight. You cannot
start a fight and then claim self defense when you are getting your ass
kicked.

>> The legal right for self defense including the use of deadly physical
>> force comes down to whether or not a "reasonable person" would belive
>> that there was an immediate fear of loss of life or serious bodily
>> harm to oneself or an innocent third party. For "reasonable person"
>> read that as the police, a prosecutor, a judge, or the jury.

[RD Sandman]

deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote in
news:Ec-dnWhqpIWH4SbM...@giganews.com:

Good exchange.......

[deadrat]

On 6/14/13 4:05 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
> deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote in
> news:cIWdnbZ6H-q04ibM...@giganews.com:
>
>> On 6/14/13 1:52 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>> richard <nor...@example.com> wrote in
>>> news:11dpwazvhxk7q.6030kvzxbkbd$.d...@40tude.net:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 05:40:07 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F. Cabanaboy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Trayvon Martin Trial; Law-Abiding Latino Forced To Shoot
>>>>> Violent, Criminal Black Savage In Self-Defense; America Takes
>>>>> Sides; Latinos Versus Negroes
>>>>> Which side are you on?
>>>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trayvon-martin-amer
>>>>> ic a-takes-sides-8651354.html -----
>>>>> (snicker)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 14, 3:36 am, "Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>>>>>> It is that time of the year, to parade my massive and growing
>>>>>> collection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Ramon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------

>>>>>> -- ------­-

>>>>
>>>> IF the man acted in true self defense, then yes he should be set
>>>> free. Makes no differnce what the skin color is or heritage is.
>>>>
>>>> The thing about this case is, Zimmerman had no legal cause to act as
>>>> a police officer and even question Martin about anything.
>>>> Let alone "hold" Martin for the cops.
>>>> Regardless of Martin's past history, which is inadmissable evidence,
>>>> it is Zimmerman's actions that are on trial, not Martin's.
>>>
>>> Except for that final confrontation. Who is determined to have
>>> started the physical portion will go a long way.
>>
>> Probably in most states. Possibly in Florida, but SYG allows you to
>> use deadly force if you're reasonably in fear for your life or safety.
>
> Stand you ground in Florida consists of eight words in the self defense
> statute 776.012. That statute reads:
>

> "776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in

> using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent
> that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to
> defend himself or herself or another against the other's imminent use of
> unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force
> and does not have a duty to retreat if:
>
> (1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to
> prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or
> another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
>
> (2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.
>
> See that part about being justified......if ..he or she reasonable
> believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great
> bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent
> commission of a forcible felony, or (then it goes on to cover 776.013
> which is Castle Doctrine and not an issue in this case).

> Just what about that do you feel is much different than what I said?

In some states, you have the affirmative duty to try to get the fuck out
of harm's way if you feel threatened in public. If that's possible, you
don't get to use justification as an affirmative defense. As your quote
of the statute shows, that doesn't obtain in Florida. In some states
(e.g., Ohio), your use of force must be proportional to the actual
threat. As your quote shows, that doesn't obtain in Florida either. In
some states, you can't be the aggressor (i.e., the guy who throws the
first punch) and claim justification. As your quote shows, that doesn't
obtain in Florida either.

I'm not saying a jury won't convict Zimmerman, but the law gives him a
powerful shield: his action is legally justifiable on the basis of
reasonable fear. And he killed the only rebuttal witness.

>

>> If so, you may be the first to use physical force.
>
> Yes, but there is that pesky "reasonable person" syndrome. That probably
> wouldn't come in to play without aggressive action on Martin's part.

And if we had a videotape of the incident, things would be different.
But if Zimmerman testifies, he's gonna say he was reasonably afraid --
he was attacked from behind with no legal provocation, he was being
injured, his attacker went for his gun, which he was in legal possession
of. Who can gainsay his account? He killed the only rebuttal witness.

>>> What will be interesting is how
>>> that will be deduced by the jury.
>>
>> They don't have to. If they find reasonable doubt that Zimmerman
>> wasn't in fear for his life, they acquit without the deduction.
>
> In Florida the burden of proof is on the prosecution. Angela Corey will
> have to prove to the jury that Zimmerman's claim of self defense has no
> merit. The burden is on her, not Zimmerman. However, if she can
> manipulate testimony right, she can, essentially, place that burden on
> Zimmerman in the minds of the jury.

Well, yeah. I'm just talking about the law. Trials are a different matter.

>>>> The question has always been, do you have the legal right to shoot
>>>> and kill someone who hit you with their fists and that person was
>>>> not armed? The answer is no, you do not.
>>>
>>> Problems with that. A person can most certainly kill you with their
>>> bare hands and Zimmerman had no way of knowing whether or not Martin
>>> was armed. He could make a supposition that he was not but he didn't
>>> know for sure, AFAIK. The bottom line will most likely come down to
>>> who the jury believes started the physical portion of the encounter.
>>
>> Again, the important issue is not who started the fight, but who was
>> in fear for his life.
>
> Which generally is not the person who started the fight. You cannot
> start a fight and then claim self defense when you are getting your ass
> kicked.

In Florida, you can. That's the point of SYG. If you're reasonably in
fear for your life, you don't have to wait to get punched. You get to
go first. Of course, if you've brought a gun to a fistfight, you won't
do any punching.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Tell it to your racist Liberal pals.....


I was responding to the LOGIC I was handed in the post.



--



*Rumination*
#52 - Socialism is a philosophy of mediocrity, a creed of intolerance,
and a feeling of malice towards the good fortune of others!

[BeamMeUpScotty]

But your Liberal pal just told me that the Latino block of voters was
all Liberal voters..... I figure you want racial blocks so you must
want the KKK too.


They vote as a racial block.



Are you discriminating by racial blocks that you want to woo?



What a sorry pack of racists you Liberals are.

[Scout]

"richard" <nor...@example.com> wrote in message
news:11dpwazvhxk7q.6030kvzxbkbd$.dlg@40tude.net...

> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 05:40:07 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F. Cabanaboy wrote:
>
>> The Trayvon Martin Trial; Law-Abiding Latino Forced To Shoot Violent,
>> Criminal Black Savage In Self-Defense; America Takes Sides; Latinos
>> Versus Negroes
>> Which side are you on?
>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trayvon-martin-america-takes-sides-8651354.html
>> -----
>> (snicker)
>>
>> On Jun 14, 3:36 am, "Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>>> It is that time of the year, to parade my massive and growing
>>> collection.
>>>
>>> -Ramon
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­-
>
> IF the man acted in true self defense, then yes he should be set free.
> Makes no differnce what the skin color is or heritage is.
>
> The thing about this case is, Zimmerman had no legal cause to act as a
> police officer

Nor have I seen any evidence produced that Zimmerman did so, or attempted to
do so.

>and even question Martin about anything.

Freedom of speech no long applies in the US?

You can ask anyone questions and you don't have to have legal cause to do
so.

> Let alone "hold" Martin for the cops.

Again, no evidence he did so or attempted to do so.

> Regardless of Martin's past history, which is inadmissable evidence, it is
> Zimmerman's actions that are on trial, not Martin's.

Perhaps, but when attempting to figure out who did what, motivations can be
relevant particularly when one person isn't there to speak about their
motivations.

So normally, I would agree with you, however if the Prosecution attempts to
make a case that Zimmerman couldn't have been justified in acting in self
defense because Trayvon would never have attacked him....then some of
Trayvon's past history does indeed become relevant and admissible.

> The question has always been, do you have the legal right to shoot and
> kill
> someone who hit you with their fists and that person was not armed?
> The answer is no, you do not.

BULLSHIT.

Are you telling me I could beat you to death....and you couldn't engage in
legal self defense because I was only using my fists?

Sorry, but the method of attack does NOT control whether you can engage in
self defense or not.

Off hand it looks to me like you need to educate yourself about this event
and the relevant laws before your opinion is going to have any merit.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 6/14/2013 4:29 PM, deadrat wrote:
> On 6/14/13 12:19 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>> On 6/14/2013 12:52 PM, deadrat wrote:
>>> On 6/14/13 10:08 AM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>> On 6/14/2013 3:46 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> <snipped: projection about race/>
>>>
>>> Oh, look! Nothing left.
>>>
>>>
>> Liberal-Socialist censorship is funny stuff isn't it?
>>
>>
>> delete my post and use the IRS to silence the TEA PARTY..... That's a
>> positive plan for a Nation so proud of its freedoms.
>>
> The IRS didn't silence the teahadists, you blithering ignoramus. The
> IRS held up tax-free status for some of the money-laundering operations.

So the IRS violated the TEA PARTY'S RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH by taxing them
and NOT taxing the Liberal free speech?


Sounds like it was an attempt to suppress free speech to me. Taxing
free speech is not only unconstitutional it unAmerican.


What kind of Socialist Communist Liberals bastards would do such a
thing? Are they all from Chicago?

[deadrat]

On 6/14/13 4:25 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> On 6/14/2013 4:31 PM, deadrat wrote:
>> On 6/14/13 12:46 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>> On 6/14/2013 3:38 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>>>> "With Latinos forming the fastest-growing electoral bloc in the
>>>> nation,
>>>
>>> ...."]
>>>
>>>
>>> Skin color is reduced by Liberalism to being a voting bloc?
>>>
>>>
>>> Boy is that racist.
>>
>> Er, Sparky? Latinos don't form a race. You might want to get that
>> straight about your future masters.
>>
>>
> "Latinos forming the fastest-growing electoral bloc"

That may be, but that bloc is not based on race.

>
>
> Tell it to your racist Liberal pals.....
>
>
> I was responding to the LOGIC I was handed in the post.

Don't kid a kidder, Sparky. You wouldn't know logic (or LOGIC) if it
bit you in the ass.

[deadrat]

On 6/14/13 4:29 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> On 6/14/2013 4:30 PM, deadrat wrote:
>> On 6/14/13 12:44 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>> On 6/14/2013 3:40 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> (3) MSNBC's O'Donnell: "You Republican strategists are saying: 'How do
>>>> we undo this!? Look what we have done to the Latino voters... How can
>>>> we possibly get them back?'"
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why would Republicans want people that would vote based on skin color?
>>
>> It's their base?
>
> But your Liberal pal just told me that the Latino block of voters was
> all Liberal voters..... I figure you want racial blocks so you must
> want the KKK too.

Latinos come in all shades of skin color. They aren't a race, and are
quite disparate ethnically. They share certain experiences, and they
vote their perceived interests. Just like us white folks.

> They vote as a racial block.

How many Latinos live on your racial block?

"Block" Bwahahahahahahahaha!

Worried that they'll move next door?

> Are you discriminating by racial blocks that you want to woo?

Whatever that means.

> What a sorry pack of racists you Liberals are.

Keep telling Latinos that they form a mindless bloc of voters. Keep
telling Latinos that Democrats are racist for supporting issues that
Latinos find important. They love hearing that.

Well, the ones that habla Ingles do.

[deadrat]

Who would testify to that? Unlikely that a judge would let such
testimony in.

> then some
> of Trayvon's past history does indeed become relevant and admissible.

It would have to be pattern and practice that conformed to the specific
events. Smoking dope, for instance, probably wouldn't count.

>> The question has always been, do you have the legal right to shoot and
>> kill
>> someone who hit you with their fists and that person was not armed?
>> The answer is no, you do not.
>
> BULLSHIT.

Well, it is richard.

[RD Sandman]

deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote in
news:oeydnY--Wsk_FCbM...@giganews.com:

> On 6/14/13 4:05 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>> deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote in
>> news:cIWdnbZ6H-q04ibM...@giganews.com:
>>
>>> On 6/14/13 1:52 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>> richard <nor...@example.com> wrote in
>>>> news:11dpwazvhxk7q.6030kvzxbkbd$.d...@40tude.net:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 05:40:07 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F. Cabanaboy
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Trayvon Martin Trial; Law-Abiding Latino Forced To Shoot
>>>>>> Violent, Criminal Black Savage In Self-Defense; America Takes
>>>>>> Sides; Latinos Versus Negroes
>>>>>> Which side are you on?
>>>>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trayvon-martin-am
>>>>>> er ic a-takes-sides-8651354.html -----
>>>>>> (snicker)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 14, 3:36 am, "Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> It is that time of the year, to parade my massive and growing
>>>>>>> collection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Ramon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------

>>>>>>> -- -- ------ｭ-

>>>>>
>>>>> IF the man acted in true self defense, then yes he should be set
>>>>> free. Makes no differnce what the skin color is or heritage is.
>>>>>
>>>>> The thing about this case is, Zimmerman had no legal cause to act
>>>>> as a police officer and even question Martin about anything.
>>>>> Let alone "hold" Martin for the cops.
>>>>> Regardless of Martin's past history, which is inadmissable
>>>>> evidence, it is Zimmerman's actions that are on trial, not
>>>>> Martin's.
>>>>
>>>> Except for that final confrontation. Who is determined to have
>>>> started the physical portion will go a long way.
>>>
>>> Probably in most states. Possibly in Florida, but SYG allows you to
>>> use deadly force if you're reasonably in fear for your life or
>>> safety.
>>
>> Stand you ground in Florida consists of eight words in the self
>> defense statute 776.012. That statute reads:
>>

>> "776.012 Use of force in defense of person.輸 person is justified in

>> using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the
>> extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is
>> necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other's
>> imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the
>> use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
>>
>> (1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to
>> prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or
>> another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony;
>> or
>>
>> (2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.
>>
>> See that part about being justified......if ..he or she reasonable
>> believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or
>> great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the
>> imminent commission of a forcible felony, or (then it goes on to
>> cover 776.013 which is Castle Doctrine and not an issue in this
>> case).
>
>> Just what about that do you feel is much different than what I said?
>
> In some states, you have the affirmative duty to try to get the fuck
> out of harm's way if you feel threatened in public.

That's true. Massachussetts was one of them.

If that's
> possible, you don't get to use justification as an affirmative
> defense. As your quote of the statute shows, that doesn't obtain in
> Florida.

It goes via the reasonable person. If a "reasonable person" doesn't feel
you have justification for deadly physical, you essentially do not have
it in a court room.

In some states (e.g., Ohio), your use of force must be
> proportional to the actual threat. As your quote shows, that doesn't
> obtain in Florida either. In some states, you can't be the aggressor
> (i.e., the guy who throws the first punch) and claim justification.
> As your quote shows, that doesn't obtain in Florida either.

The point is that Zimmerman does have some burden to prove that he was in
fear of his life or possible serious injury. It is not to the point of
being beyond shadow of doubt, that onus belongs to Core, but there has to
be some feeling from Zimmerman that he was in danger. Without that, then
the law in Florida (where I lived for almost twenty years) and in Arizona
where I have lived most of my adult life would be that you could simply
pick a fight and then kill the other party if they escalated it. One
reason why in many states to get a self defense claim you have to be
involved in a lawful activity. You cannot rob a bank and then kill a
police officer for shooting at you on your way out.

> I'm not saying a jury won't convict Zimmerman, but the law gives him a
> powerful shield: his action is legally justifiable on the basis of
> reasonable fear. And he killed the only rebuttal witness.

Yes, it does. I still haven't made up my mind on that case yet. Too
much crap on the internet and little of it under any rule of testimony.
I can wait a few more days to make up my mind on the evidence.

>>> If so, you may be the first to use physical force.
>>
>> Yes, but there is that pesky "reasonable person" syndrome. That
>> probably wouldn't come in to play without aggressive action on
>> Martin's part.
>
> And if we had a videotape of the incident, things would be different.
> But if Zimmerman testifies, he's gonna say he was reasonably afraid --
> he was attacked from behind with no legal provocation, he was being
> injured, his attacker went for his gun, which he was in legal
> possession of. Who can gainsay his account? He killed the only
> rebuttal witness.

There were a couple of eyewitnesses to the ending of the encounter.
None, unfortunately, on the beginning.

>>>> What will be interesting is how
>>>> that will be deduced by the jury.
>>>
>>> They don't have to. If they find reasonable doubt that Zimmerman
>>> wasn't in fear for his life, they acquit without the deduction.
>>
>> In Florida the burden of proof is on the prosecution. Angela Corey
>> will have to prove to the jury that Zimmerman's claim of self defense
>> has no merit. The burden is on her, not Zimmerman. However, if she
>> can manipulate testimony right, she can, essentially, place that
>> burden on Zimmerman in the minds of the jury.
>
> Well, yeah. I'm just talking about the law. Trials are a different
> matter.

As was I, if you read over what I wrote. Sorry if it was poor wording.
;)

>>>>> The question has always been, do you have the legal right to shoot
>>>>> and kill someone who hit you with their fists and that person was
>>>>> not armed? The answer is no, you do not.
>>>>
>>>> Problems with that. A person can most certainly kill you with
>>>> their bare hands and Zimmerman had no way of knowing whether or not
>>>> Martin was armed. He could make a supposition that he was not but
>>>> he didn't know for sure, AFAIK. The bottom line will most likely
>>>> come down to who the jury believes started the physical portion of
>>>> the encounter.
>>>
>>> Again, the important issue is not who started the fight, but who was
>>> in fear for his life.
>>
>> Which generally is not the person who started the fight. You cannot
>> start a fight and then claim self defense when you are getting your
>> ass kicked.
>
> In Florida, you can. That's the point of SYG. If you're reasonably
> in fear for your life, you don't have to wait to get punched.

Excuse me, but there has to be some sort of stimulus for you to make that
claim. You can't really walk up to someone, shoot him and then claim,
well, if he had turned around he could have hurt me.

You get
> to go first. Of course, if you've brought a gun to a fistfight, you
> won't do any punching.

If you are smart you don't do any shooting either until circumstannces
show it may be necessary.

>>>> The legal right for self defense including the use of deadly
>>>> physical force comes down to whether or not a "reasonable person"
>>>> would belive that there was an immediate fear of loss of life or
>>>> serious bodily harm to oneself or an innocent third party. For
>>>> "reasonable person" read that as the police, a prosecutor, a judge,
>>>> or the jury.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[deadrat]

On 6/14/13 4:33 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> On 6/14/2013 4:29 PM, deadrat wrote:
>> On 6/14/13 12:19 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>> On 6/14/2013 12:52 PM, deadrat wrote:
>>>> On 6/14/13 10:08 AM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>>> On 6/14/2013 3:46 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> <snipped: projection about race/>
>>>>
>>>> Oh, look! Nothing left.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Liberal-Socialist censorship is funny stuff isn't it?
>>>
>>>
>>> delete my post and use the IRS to silence the TEA PARTY..... That's a
>>> positive plan for a Nation so proud of its freedoms.
>>>
>> The IRS didn't silence the teahadists, you blithering ignoramus. The
>> IRS held up tax-free status for some of the money-laundering operations.
>
>
>
>
> So the IRS violated the TEA PARTY'S RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH by taxing them
> and NOT taxing the Liberal free speech?

The only groups that had their tax-exempt status denied were liberal
groups. The teahadists had their applications delayed, but that
wouldn't have mattered for their status as 501(c)4's, which are required
to register. It's very unlikely these teahadist money launderers had
any money left over in 2012 to tax. They were in business to spend
money to influence elections.

> Sounds like it was an attempt to suppress free speech to me.

But you're an ignoramus. All sorts of nonsense "sounds like" to you.

> Taxing
> free speech is not only unconstitutional it unAmerican.

Nobody is taxing speech. These organizations applied for an exemption
from taxes. The worst that happened was that some of them had to
resubmit their applications.

> What kind of Socialist Communist Liberals bastards would do such a
> thing? Are they all from Chicago?

It's all made up to manipulate you into a hissy fit. And it worked.
Ignoramuses like you are always easy to manipulate. Again:

None of the 501(c)4 donations were tax deductible, with or without
registration.

All of the 501(c)4 expenditures on individual campaigns were taxable
with or without registration.

The 501(c0)4's could claim tax exempt status with or without
registration. Registration would be valuable as a safe harbor, though.
In any case, it's unlikely these groups had money left over to tax.
They were in business to spend it, not save it.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 6/14/2013 6:07 PM, deadrat wrote:
> On 6/14/13 4:25 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>> On 6/14/2013 4:31 PM, deadrat wrote:
>>> On 6/14/13 12:46 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>> On 6/14/2013 3:38 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>>>>> "With Latinos forming the fastest-growing electoral bloc in the
>>>>> nation,
>>>>
>>>> ...."]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Skin color is reduced by Liberalism to being a voting bloc?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Boy is that racist.
>>>
>>> Er, Sparky? Latinos don't form a race. You might want to get that
>>> straight about your future masters.
>>>
>>>
>> "Latinos forming the fastest-growing electoral bloc"
>
> That may be, but that bloc is not based on race.

Then why is a crime against a Latino a racial hate crime if you call
him/her a "Beaner" You can change that out with black guy and calling
him/her the appropriate slur. Any way you cut it, Latino's are a
"racial" block in the Liberal world. I see people as different and
NOne vote as a block

Now I'm confused..... when is a racial hate crime NOT about race?


Only when the Race is Latino?


“I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her
experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a
white male who hasn’t lived that life,” said Judge Sotomayor,


Are white males a race?

[deadrat]

On 6/14/13 5:18 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
> deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote in
> news:oeydnY--Wsk_FCbM...@giganews.com:
>
>> On 6/14/13 4:05 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>> deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote in
>>> news:cIWdnbZ6H-q04ibM...@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> On 6/14/13 1:52 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>>> richard <nor...@example.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:11dpwazvhxk7q.6030kvzxbkbd$.d...@40tude.net:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 05:40:07 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F. Cabanaboy
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Trayvon Martin Trial; Law-Abiding Latino Forced To Shoot
>>>>>>> Violent, Criminal Black Savage In Self-Defense; America Takes
>>>>>>> Sides; Latinos Versus Negroes
>>>>>>> Which side are you on?
>>>>>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trayvon-martin-am
>>>>>>> er ic a-takes-sides-8651354.html -----
>>>>>>> (snicker)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 14, 3:36 am, "Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> It is that time of the year, to parade my massive and growing
>>>>>>>> collection.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Ramon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------

>>>>>>>> -- -- ------­-

>>>>>>
>>>>>> IF the man acted in true self defense, then yes he should be set
>>>>>> free. Makes no differnce what the skin color is or heritage is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The thing about this case is, Zimmerman had no legal cause to act
>>>>>> as a police officer and even question Martin about anything.
>>>>>> Let alone "hold" Martin for the cops.
>>>>>> Regardless of Martin's past history, which is inadmissable
>>>>>> evidence, it is Zimmerman's actions that are on trial, not
>>>>>> Martin's.
>>>>>
>>>>> Except for that final confrontation. Who is determined to have
>>>>> started the physical portion will go a long way.
>>>>
>>>> Probably in most states. Possibly in Florida, but SYG allows you to
>>>> use deadly force if you're reasonably in fear for your life or
>>>> safety.
>>>
>>> Stand you ground in Florida consists of eight words in the self
>>> defense statute 776.012. That statute reads:
>>>

>>> "776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in

There are no mythical "reasonable people" in court. There are just
jurors. They're not supposed to reach a verdict by feel, but by the
evidence. The important parts of which, including Zimmerman's feelings,
will be presented unrebutted by Zimmerman.

>
> In some states (e.g., Ohio), your use of force must be
>> proportional to the actual threat. As your quote shows, that doesn't
>> obtain in Florida either. In some states, you can't be the aggressor
>> (i.e., the guy who throws the first punch) and claim justification.
>> As your quote shows, that doesn't obtain in Florida either.
>
> The point is that Zimmerman does have some burden to prove that he was in
> fear of his life or possible serious injury. It is not to the point of
> being beyond shadow of doubt, that onus belongs to Core,

Zimmerman's burden is preponderance of the evidence on an affirmative
defense. But unless there's forensics we don't know about, there's
nothing to rebut him. The prosecution's burden isn't beyond a shadow of
a doubt, but beyond a reasonable doubt.

> but there has to
> be some feeling from Zimmerman that he was in danger.

Yes, where some == reasonable.

> Without that, then
> the law in Florida (where I lived for almost twenty years) and in Arizona
> where I have lived most of my adult life would be that you could simply
> pick a fight and then kill the other party if they escalated it.

No, to use SYG, you have to be in some place lawfully, and that
eliminates committing assault by picking a fight.

> One
> reason why in many states to get a self defense claim you have to be
> involved in a lawful activity. You cannot rob a bank and then kill a
> police officer for shooting at you on your way out.

Oops! I should have read a little further.

>
>> I'm not saying a jury won't convict Zimmerman, but the law gives him a
>> powerful shield: his action is legally justifiable on the basis of
>> reasonable fear. And he killed the only rebuttal witness.
>
> Yes, it does. I still haven't made up my mind on that case yet. Too
> much crap on the internet and little of it under any rule of testimony.
> I can wait a few more days to make up my mind on the evidence.

Alas, you and I seem to be the only two people in the country with that
attitude.

Nope. You can be mistaken. That is, you thought there was a stimulus,
but there wasn't. If your error is reasonable, you walk.

> You can't really walk up to someone, shoot him and then claim,
> well, if he had turned around he could have hurt me.

Of course not. No jury would believe you reasonably thought you were in
danger. But what happens in practice is that there's only one survivor
to tell the story, and that's not how he tells it.

> You get
>> to go first. Of course, if you've brought a gun to a fistfight, you
>> won't do any punching.
>
> If you are smart you don't do any shooting either until circumstannces
> show it may be necessary.

I don't think smarts has much to do with it. Fear and adrenaline beat
smarts every time for the untrained.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 6/14/2013 6:14 PM, deadrat wrote:
> On 6/14/13 4:29 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>> On 6/14/2013 4:30 PM, deadrat wrote:
>>> On 6/14/13 12:44 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>> On 6/14/2013 3:40 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (3) MSNBC's O'Donnell: "You Republican strategists are saying: 'How do
>>>>> we undo this!? Look what we have done to the Latino voters... How can
>>>>> we possibly get them back?'"
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why would Republicans want people that would vote based on skin color?
>>>
>>> It's their base?
>>
>> But your Liberal pal just told me that the Latino block of voters was
>> all Liberal voters..... I figure you want racial blocks so you must
>> want the KKK too.
>
> Latinos come in all shades of skin color. They aren't a race, and are
> quite disparate ethnically. They share certain experiences, and they
> vote their perceived interests. Just like us white folks.

So do blacks and whites.... yet you count those colors as voter blocks.
And I keep hearing Democrats tell republicans that they are chasing away
the Latino voting block. This run and hide from that is funny.

What color is a race hate crime when you use the "N" word? If I call a
white guy that "N" word while kicking his ass, is it a hate crime?


In a racial crime you want to have miles of room to fudge the race but
suddenly you want to split hairs on what a Latino really is. You
Liberals are pitiful. You Liberals better learn to check your racism
at the door because I intend to call you Libs on it every single time.
So I plan on being busier than a $2 whore on a Friday night.

[Scout]

"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:XnsA1DF9BBA2...@216.196.121.131...
> deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote in

>> In Florida, you can. That's the point of SYG. If you're reasonably
>> in fear for your life, you don't have to wait to get punched.
>
> Excuse me, but there has to be some sort of stimulus for you to make that
> claim. You can't really walk up to someone, shoot him and then claim,
> well, if he had turned around he could have hurt me.

I will simply note that SYG has nothing to do about having to wait to get
punched. You don't have to wait to get punched in a non-SYG state. You
simply need to establish reasonable fear of an attack that could cause you
serious bodily injury or death. SYG simply means that you don't have to take
a reasonable avenue of escape. I think you still should but it's nice not to
have worry about others second guessing whether jumping out of a window on
the 40th floor (reference to Judge Dredd) would have been a reasonable
avenue of escape.



Judge Dredd: [Dredd has caught Fergee trying to escape inside a servo-droid
and is judging him for damaging public property] And you haven't even been
out of jail for 24 hours. He's habitual, Hershey. Automatic 5 year sentence.
How do you plead?

Fergee: Not guilty?

Judge Dredd: I knew you'd say that.

Fergee: 5 years? No! No! I had no choice! They were killing each other in
there!

Judge Dredd: You could have gone out the window.

Fergee: 40 floors? It would have been suicide!

Judge Dredd: Maybe, but it's legal.

[deadrat]

On 6/14/13 5:31 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> On 6/14/2013 6:07 PM, deadrat wrote:
>> On 6/14/13 4:25 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>> On 6/14/2013 4:31 PM, deadrat wrote:
>>>> On 6/14/13 12:46 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>>> On 6/14/2013 3:38 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>>>>>> "With Latinos forming the fastest-growing electoral bloc in the
>>>>>> nation,
>>>>>
>>>>> ...."]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Skin color is reduced by Liberalism to being a voting bloc?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Boy is that racist.
>>>>
>>>> Er, Sparky? Latinos don't form a race. You might want to get that
>>>> straight about your future masters.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> "Latinos forming the fastest-growing electoral bloc"
>>
>> That may be, but that bloc is not based on race.
>
> Then why is a crime against a Latino a racial hate crime if you call
> him/her a "Beaner"

It's not a crime to call someone a "Beaner."

> You can change that out with black guy and calling
> him/her the appropriate slur. Any way you cut it, Latino's are a
> "racial" block in the Liberal world. I see people as different and
> NOne vote as a block

One person a bloc cannot make. What percentage of old white men voted
for Rmoney? Were they a bloc?

> Now I'm confused.....

I know, Sparky. Still and again.

> when is a racial hate crime NOT about race?

Hate crimes are crimes motivated by animus toward a person based on various
characteristics -- race, ethnicity, religion, etc.

> Only when the Race is Latino?

There is no Latino race.

>
> “I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her
> experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a
> white male who hasn’t lived that life,” said Judge Sotomayor,

And then she went on to explain that such feeling was dangerous, which
is why judges must be guided by the law. Where is the word race applied
to Latinos in this quote?

> Are white males a race?

Half of one.

Latinos are people who came from or whose ancestors came from
Spanish-speaking regions. They are all shades of skin color -- white,
brown, black.

[deadrat]

On 6/14/13 5:46 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> On 6/14/2013 6:14 PM, deadrat wrote:
>> On 6/14/13 4:29 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>> On 6/14/2013 4:30 PM, deadrat wrote:
>>>> On 6/14/13 12:44 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>>> On 6/14/2013 3:40 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (3) MSNBC's O'Donnell: "You Republican strategists are saying: 'How do
>>>>>> we undo this!? Look what we have done to the Latino voters... How can
>>>>>> we possibly get them back?'"
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would Republicans want people that would vote based on skin color?
>>>>
>>>> It's their base?
>>>
>>> But your Liberal pal just told me that the Latino block of voters was
>>> all Liberal voters..... I figure you want racial blocks so you must
>>> want the KKK too.
>>
>> Latinos come in all shades of skin color. They aren't a race, and are
>> quite disparate ethnically. They share certain experiences, and they
>> vote their perceived interests. Just like us white folks.
>
>
> So do blacks and whites....

A small to vanishing number of black people have white skin. A small to
vanishing number of white people have black skin.

> yet you count those colors as voter blocks.

I don't count anybody. Race is self-identified.

> And I keep hearing Democrats tell republicans that they are chasing away
> the Latino voting block. This run and hide from that is funny.

Voting blocs need not be based on race. What's so hard about this?

> What color is a race hate crime when you use the "N" word? If I call a
> white guy that "N" word while kicking his ass, is it a hate crime?

If you attacked him because he was white or because you mistakenly
thought he was black, then yes. What's your point?

> In a racial crime you want to have miles of room to fudge the race but
> suddenly you want to split hairs on what a Latino really is.

A Latino is someone from a Spanish-speaking culture or whose ancestors
were. That's the definition. It's not mine.

> You
> Liberals are pitiful. You Liberals better learn to check your racism
> at the door because I intend to call you Libs on it every single time.
> So I plan on being busier than a $2 whore on a Friday night.

You're gonna be hard pressed to have more than $5 at the end of the
night, Sparky. The only thing you can call is attention to your ignorance.

> “I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her
> experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a
> white male who hasn’t lived that life,” said Judge Sotomayor,

I have no idea why you think this is important.

[Bill Graham]

Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

> 1) Ask this lady:
>
> "Of course it is racist! My dad cannot say it, but I can".
> -Meghan McCain, born and raised in Arizona, when asked about AZ
> SB-1070.

And you think some statement by some unknown lady transcends my logic? Why
would you think that? Have I proved to you that I am incapable of thinking
for myself, and need some unknown surragate to do it for me?

Why don't you address the real problem. Arizona is the whipping boy for
millions of illegals coming across our border into this country and going no
further that Arizona in order to collect government handed out freebies. Of
course the real problem is the freebies. - They shouldn't even exist. But if
you liberals want them, then figure out some waqy for Arizona to get them to
its citizens and not to illegals. And, while you are at it, figure out how
to keep those illegals from traveling to other states and destroying their
freebie systems. IOW, address the real problem.

[deadrat]

On 6/14/13 5:55 PM, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:XnsA1DF9BBA2...@216.196.121.131...
>> deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote in
>>> In Florida, you can. That's the point of SYG. If you're reasonably
>>> in fear for your life, you don't have to wait to get punched.
>>
>> Excuse me, but there has to be some sort of stimulus for you to make that
>> claim. You can't really walk up to someone, shoot him and then claim,
>> well, if he had turned around he could have hurt me.
>
> I will simply note that SYG has nothing to do about having to wait to
> get punched. You don't have to wait to get punched in a non-SYG state.

In some non-SYG states, lethal force is not permitted it you did not
face lethal force. In Florida, that's not the case.

<snip/>

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 6/14/2013 7:20 PM, deadrat wrote:
> On 6/14/13 5:31 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>> On 6/14/2013 6:07 PM, deadrat wrote:
>>> On 6/14/13 4:25 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>> On 6/14/2013 4:31 PM, deadrat wrote:
>>>>> On 6/14/13 12:46 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/14/2013 3:38 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>>>>>>> "With Latinos forming the fastest-growing electoral bloc in the
>>>>>>> nation,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...."]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Skin color is reduced by Liberalism to being a voting bloc?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Boy is that racist.
>>>>>
>>>>> Er, Sparky? Latinos don't form a race. You might want to get that
>>>>> straight about your future masters.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> "Latinos forming the fastest-growing electoral bloc"
>>>
>>> That may be, but that bloc is not based on race.
>>
>> Then why is a crime against a Latino a racial hate crime if you call
>> him/her a "Beaner"
>
> It's not a crime to call someone a "Beaner."

That's pitiful, playing games when we both know that three guys of a
different color whip one person of another race and they call the person
getting their ass kicked a racial slur.... you and I know that that
slur will be used to make it a race hate crime. Unless maybe it's a
white male getting that ass whooping.


You hide from "race" when it's you calling an ethnic group a racial name
but when you get to cry that there was a hate crime, suddenly you want
to make it all vague and put any racial slur from a KKK member into the
hate crime box.




--



*Rumination*
#12 - It's what you learn, after you know it all, that counts.

[Bill Graham]

Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

> (3) MSNBC's O'Donnell: "You Republican strategists are saying: 'How do
> we undo this!? Look what we have done to the Latino voters... How can
> we possibly get them back?'"
>

> Steve Schmidt, Top Republican Strategist (*), agreeing: "If we [the
> GOP] had a deliberate strategy to antagonize every Latino voter in
> this country, it is not possible that we could have done a better
> job".
>
> "The Republican Party cannot be a national party if it doesn't compete
> in the Hispanic market - Look at those numbers: we have big, big
> problems."
>
> (*) Played by Woody Harrelson in the McCain campaign HBO movie.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

It isn't the, "Hispanic Market" that's the problem. Its, the freebie market.
What kind of an economic system woulde steal from the industrious and give
to the indolent, and for how long would such a system survive? Why don't you
guys see that there is no way that everyone can live off of the government?
The obvious way to go is to insist that all who can should work and pay
their own way. At the least, these should be idolized, and at best, they
should get more than everyone else.

[Bill Graham]

Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

> (4) Check with Jeb Bush:
>
> http://tinyurl.Com/6drgb6h
> http://tinyurl.Com/73joubu
> http://tinyurl.Com/7d3l9cr
> http://swampland.time.Com/2012/02/24/did-jeb-bush-actually-say-that/
>
> Jeb married a Mexican lady, and they lived here in Houston. After she
> was ostracized in the country clubs, they decided to move to a city
> where Hispanics rule: Miami. He has been one of the most popular
> politicians in Florida's history. Founded some Hispanic group (not for
> the poor!!).
>
But he's a Republican! How can you admit he's capable of doing anyone any
good at all? I thought all Republicans were children of Satan.....

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 6/14/2013 7:36 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
> Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> (3) MSNBC's O'Donnell: "You Republican strategists are saying: 'How do
>> we undo this!? Look what we have done to the Latino voters... How can
>> we possibly get them back?'"
>>
>> Steve Schmidt, Top Republican Strategist (*), agreeing: "If we [the
>> GOP] had a deliberate strategy to antagonize every Latino voter in
>> this country, it is not possible that we could have done a better
>> job".
>>
>> "The Republican Party cannot be a national party if it doesn't compete
>> in the Hispanic market - Look at those numbers: we have big, big
>> problems."
>>
>> (*) Played by Woody Harrelson in the McCain campaign HBO movie.
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>
> It isn't the, "Hispanic Market" that's the problem.

No but the Fact Liberals divide people up like that and suggest they
vote a certain way because their skin is within a specific range of
color is telling about Liberalism.


Its says little about the voting but a lot about who the real racists are.



--



*Rumination*
#24 - Business is the art of making painful choices and getting it right
often enough to stay in business.

[Bill Graham]

Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

> (5) Texas GOP official -- "Hispanics and Asian Americans are
> "maggots" who voted for Obama"
>
> http://www.star-telegram.Com/2012/11/08/4399621/hardin-county-gop-official-wants.html

In his first Presidentiol bid, 95% of the, "Third World People" voted for
Obama, so he is correct.... Obama won the presidency partly because he was
half black. All the white votes he got were because he was a good,
campaigner and looked like he would make a good president. I personally
liked him better than Mcain, but I couldn;t vote for a liberal. If Jesus
Christ was running on the Democratic ticket as a liberal, and Adolf Hitler
was running on the Republican ticket as a conservative, I would vote for
Adolf....... I am as prejudiced against liberals as the third world
population in this country is against white people.....

[Bill Graham]

Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> (8) Colin Powell Accuses GOP Of Racism: They ‘Still Look Down On
> Minorities'
>
>
> http://www.mediaite.com/tv/colin-powell-accuses-gop-of-racism-they-still-look-down-on-minorities/

Is that why 95% of the minorities in this country voted for Obama? (While he
got nearly 50% of the white vote)

The facts deny your assertion, Ramon.

[Bill Graham]

Ramon F. Cabanaboy wrote:
> The Trayvon Martin Trial; Law-Abiding Latino Forced To Shoot Violent,
> Criminal Black Savage In Self-Defense; America Takes Sides; Latinos
> Versus Negroes
> Which side are you on?
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trayvon-martin-america-takes-sides-8651354.html
> -----
> (snicker)
>
> On Jun 14, 3:36 am, "Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>> It is that time of the year, to parade my massive and growing
>> collection.
>>
>> -Ramon
>>

You'd think reasonable peopole would look at the facts of the case, and not
decide it based on the heratige of, and national origin of, the grandparents
of the principals involved. After all, neither one had any control at all
over his grandparents.......

[Bill Graham]

Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
> On Jun 14, 9:40 am, BeamMeUpScotty
> <ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>
> > And isn't the world full of racist, I know the
> > Democrat-Socialist party is full of Liberal racist types.
>
> Can you back up that contention using the same (*) strategy as I did?
>
> I dare you to find ONE Liberal who says "My party is full of racists".
>
> -Ramon
You can't, because liberals define racism as discrimination against people
of color, and deny that it is also discrimination against white people. IOW,
only white people can be racists to a liberal. Discrimination against white
people, is, "Reverse discrimination" and is perfectly ligitimate to a
liberal. In my case, I broaden it to mean any discrimination against anyone
because of anything he/she had no control over, but was either born with, or
raised into from birth. Discrimination against gays is racism in my
book.....

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On Jun 14, 6:51 pm, "Bill Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > (8) Colin Powell Accuses GOP Of Racism: They ‘Still Look Down On
> > Minorities'
>

> >http://www.mediaite.com/tv/colin-powell-accuses-gop-of-racism-they-st...

>

> Is that why 95% of the minorities in this country
> voted for Obama?

That's BS. I wish it were true, though!! See actual percentages below.

-Ramon

--------------------------

Which is the party where hatred is most concentrated and distilled?

The only ones qualified to make a statement are the victims of
prejudice, persecution and racism themselves. Let's ask them, shall
we?

Here's their response (2008):

- Black folks voted for Obama, by a 96% margin.
- Jewish folks voted for Obama, by a 75% margin.
- Hispanic folks voted for Obama, by a 66% margin.
- Asian folks voted for Obama, by a 63% margin.
- Gay folks voted for Obama, by an unknown margin.

ps: Oh, I almost forgot the largest minority of all:

http://patriot.Net/~ramon/misc/GOP-Hates-Women-and-Feeling-is-Mutual.jpg
http://www.usatoday.Com/news/politics/story/2012-04-01/swing-states-poll/53930684/1

ps: the 2012 percentages are even better.

[Bill Graham]

The truth will set you free wrote:

> On 6/14/2013 12:36 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>>
>> It is that time of the year, to parade my massive and growing
>> collection.
>>
>> -Ramon
>>

>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
> Of gay porno?

For every item in his collection, he passed up two that proved his
opponent's case, but they ended up in his garbage can.....

[Z Seeley]

Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:41:06 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
<gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote:
>On Aug 11, 5:16 pm, "Bradley K Sherman" <b...@panix.com> wrote:
> > Paul Ryan won election seven times in a Democratic district
>That means that it is not a Democratic district.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...if Ryan is an extremist and his proposals are so unpopular, how has
he won election seven times in a Democratic district? His lowest share
of the vote was 57 percent — in his first race. He routinely wins over
two-thirds of the vote. When Obama swept the nation in 2008, he
carried Ryan’s district by four points. But at the same time, Ryan won
reelection with 65 percent of the vote, meaning that a fifth of Obama
voters also voted for him.
http://tucsoncitizen.com/fortbuckley/2012/08/11/the-smart-democrats-are-worried-about-paul-ryan-for-good-reason/
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/313732/smart-democrats-should-be-worried-john-fund

>Ohioans are known to swing in parties...

Why are you so fucking stupid??????????????

Paul Davis Ryan is the U.S. Representative for Wisconsin's 1st
congressional district...........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ryan

Posted on behalf of:
The DemocRATs Hall of Shame!

[Glory Jeffery Shell-Oates]

Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 16:27:10 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>The National Council of La Raza only accepts
>*institutions* as members.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

President Barack Obama’s Supreme Court nominee is a member of an
influential extremist Mexican La Raza group that advocates open
borders and driver’s licenses for illegal immigrants.

Judge Sonia Sotomayor is listed as a member of the National Council of
La Raza in an American Bar Association profile discovered by a news
organization dedicated to exposing public corruption
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2009/05/supreme-court-nominee-la-raza-member/

[Johnnie Luigi Schiller]

Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 08:23:31 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>On Aug 12, 9:50 am, Keith D. Lee <keithdlee2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > All:
> >    Well, it should mean that all this hate speech will
> > backfire on the Dems.  :-)
>What "hate speech" is that?? I dare you to show ONE INSTANCE, since it
>is my contention the hate speech from the Liberal size is ZERO.
>ALL hate speech comes from your side.

Rep. Andre Carson, a Democrat from Indiana who serves as the CBC’s
chief vote counter, said at a CBC event in Miami that some in Congress
would “love to see us as second-class citizens” and “some of them in
Congress right now of this tea party movement would love to see you
and me ... hanging on a tree.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/62396.html

Teamsters President Jimmy Hoffa, Jr. "...it is the Tea Party. And you
know, there is only one way to beat and win that war. The one thing
about working people is we like a good fight. And you know what?
They’ve got a war, they got a war with us and there’s only going to be
one winner. [...] President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to
march… ...Let’s take these sons of bitches out..."
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/hoffa-on-tea-party-lets-take-these-sons-of-bitches-out/

"And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or
religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant
sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their
frustrations." — Barack Obama

"While the rest of the country waves the flag of Americana, we
understand we are not part of that. We don't owe America anything -
America owes us." - Al Sharpton

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a
three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No,
no, no, God d*mn America, that’s in the Bible for killing innocent
people. God d*mn America for treating our citizens as less than human.
God d*mn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is
supreme." Jeremiah Wright

"As to those in the World Trade Center…Let’s get a grip here, shall
we? True enough, they were civilians of a sort. But innocent? Gimme a
break. …If there was a better, more effective, or in fact any other
way of visiting some penalty befitting their participation upon the
little Eichmanns inhabiting the sterile sanctuary of the twin towers,
I’d really be interested in hearing about it." — Ward Churchill

[Q Mari Nagle]

Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

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On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 08:17:02 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>They are more visible and daring (for obvious reasons), but the Mexico-
>US flow is negative these days.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pew estimates that roughly 1.4-million Mexicans came to the United
States in the five years ending 2010, a figure roughly matched by
1.4-million Mexicans and their U.S.-born children who moved to Mexico.
In the five preceding years, the flow was 3-million northbound and
less than 700,000 southbound, for a net increase of 2.3-million.

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/worldview/mexican-illegals-leaving-us-in-droves-study-finds/article2412063/?service=mobile

[Brandee S. Packard]

Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

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On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 08:34:41 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>On Aug 15, 10:28 pm, "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"
><xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Even mexico has the sense to use voter-photo id.
>I worked on that project, was in charge of translating the winning
>Polaroid proposal to Spanish. Polaroid provided 100 million high tech
>"cedulas" at $1 each. It was the largest contract in Polaroid's
>history.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The contract and ALL work associated originated IN MEXICO so NO
translation was needed..................

Polaroid de Mexico, S.A. Managing Director (C.E.O. & General Manager)
1988 to 2001
• Obtained Mexican National Voter ID Contract: largest such program in
the World. Boosted Mexican annual sales by 252% and profits by 201%.
This product platform served to create a new international division
with worldwide annual sales exceeding US$100 million. • Negotiated
trade agreements generating duty savings in excess of $25 Million over
5-year period.
• Formed and established first Polaroid instant film plant outside the
U.S. and Europe. Only plant in corporate history to open ahead of
schedule. Pioneered new manufacturing, labor efficiency, and logistics
programs. It became the largest Polaroid film plant of its type
worldwide.
http://www.liveperson.com/mexico-business-mfg-etc/

[Chastity Smart]

Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

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On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 00:00:32 -0100, "bustyo...@rocketmail.com"
<bustyo...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 20:16:08 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"
><ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>>Have you seen the latest incarnations of the pitiful bastard?
>> - "sea of green"
>> - "Pelican Pt."
>From: sea of green <jer...@hill.ary>
>Injection-Info: mx04.eternal-september.org;
>posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/JlcnLd1yceOfkahQSImuPiJu7hNgNuHw="
>User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.6esrpre)
>Gecko/20120713
>From: "Pelican Pt." <s...@dy.spit>
>Injection-Info: mx04.eternal-september.org;
>posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/OXKqXVK2UVCuQrDKU0438H4IzXWw/jl4="
>User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.6esrpre)
>Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/10.0.6
>They are the same poster but it's not me, I use Forte Agent...........
>YOU HAVE 24 HOURS TO PROVE YOUR CLAIM OR WE KNOW YOU LIED!!!!!!!!!

TIME IS UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO PROOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU LIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Carmelita Mindi Cota]

Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

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On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:06:08 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>ps: Romney is promising to make the DREAM Act *permanent* and a Path
>to Legalization...

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RJC1Mn8Pxg8

http://mexicanoccupation.blogspot.com/2012/08/romney-i-would-veto-dream-act-obama_20.html

[Lea Anguiano]

Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

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On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 05:37:06 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>On Sep 4, 7:30 pm, Kicking Ass and Takin' Names
><PopUlist...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:03:39 -0500, Bob <dalnet...@att.net> wrote:
>> >The United States Treasury reports that the total public outstanding
>> >debt is: $16,015,769,788,215.80. This is the first time in American
>> >history debt has eclipsed the $16 trillion mark.
>> >http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/1601576978821580_651649.html
> > And George Bush contributed about $10 trillion of it.
>PLUS the.............

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

$4.899 trillion.................

http://thenationaldebtcrisis.com/the-national-debt-by-president/

[Janeen Altagracia Gorman]

Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

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On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 17:09:10 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
<gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote:
>Re: Now Romney is FOR ObamaCare

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"I say we're going to replace Obamacare. And I'm replacing it with my
own plan. And even in Massachusetts when I was governor, our plan
there deals with pre-existing conditions and with young people,"
Romney told "Meet the Press."
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/romney-keep-parts-obamacare/2012/09/09/id/451193

[Cathleen T. Turley-Walz]

Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

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On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 06:41:32 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>In the hypocritical way preferred by right wingers, candidate Romney
>acknowledges that President Obama will trounce him in the debates:
>http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/14/romney-president-will-lie-in-debates/

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"I think the challenge that I'll have in the debate is that the
president tends to, how shall I say it, to say things that aren't
true," Romney said..............

[Leah Ninfa Goode]

Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

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On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:50:13 -0800 (PST), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>We all know when the gay staffer was fired, but when......

Romney defends gay staffer who resigned, calls Grenell ‘very
accomplished’
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/romney-defends-gay-staffer-who-resigned-calls-grenell-very-accomplished/2012/05/04/gIQAAV9C1T_blog.html

[F I. Cohn]

Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

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On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:38:29 -0800 (PST), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>On Dec 13, 4:04 pm, Yak <y...@inbox.com> wrote:
> > You described obama's program.
>The one that does not exist.
> > What does that have to do with the CA program?
>The fact that the CA program exists and the Obama program does not is
>a big difference.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We learned that there is, in fact, a government program that provides
discounted phone service to low-income people, depending on where
participants live, through Federal Communications Commission programs.
Specifically, a program called Lifeline provides discounts on basic
monthly phone service, according to the FCC website.
http://www.fcc.gov/guides/lifeline-and-link-affordable-telephone-service-income-eligible-consumers

Eligible participants must have an income that is at or below 135
percent of the federal poverty level or use Medicaid, food stamps,
federal public housing assistance, or supplemental security income,
among other things. In some cases, states administer their own
programs.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/31/adam-putnam/putnam-obama-campaign-gives-free-cell-phones-suppo/

[Boris Mccrary]

Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

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On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 06:53:31 -0800 (PST), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:>Here's the motives:> (a) A
weapon-collecting mother: sends a signal of fear.Only to crybaby
liberals like you.................> (b) "Home schooled": signals lack
of compassion and equality, PLUS>instills fear.LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The
boy wasn't home schooled...............> (c) I am convinced that young
Adam was insanely jealous of how his>mother loved her
pupilsLIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!His mother wasn't a teacher, she didn't have
pupils, she was a part-time temporary teacher's
assistant............>-Ramon The Amateur ShrinkRamon The Amateur
Liar................HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Margo Scholl]

Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

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On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:33:01 -0800 (PST), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>On Jan 11, 4:47 pm, "Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>> He pretends to be a newcomer, but he certainly is not.
>I checked the headers, and "Delvin Benet" is definitely PG/Buster.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: Delvin Benet <DB@nbc.nýt>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107
Thunderbird/17.0.2

----------------------

[America Vina Osburn]

Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

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[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 06:34:14 -0800 (PST), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>The founders of:
> - The Boy Scouts
> - The Republican Party
>Where gay.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Early discussion of Baden-Powell's sexuality focused on his
relationship with his close friend Kenneth McLaren. Tim Jeal's later
biography discusses the relationship and finds that there is no
conclusive evidence that this friendship was physical. Jeal then
examines Baden-Powell's views on women, his appreciation of the male
form, his military relationships, and his marriage, concluding that
Baden-Powell might have been a repressed homosexual. Jeal's conclusion
is shared by some biographers and disputed by others, but is not yet
examined in any detail by other scholars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Baden-Powell,_1st_Baron_Baden-Powell

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sexual orientation: Straight
http://www.nndb.com/people/332/000024260/

[Terese Dugger]

Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

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On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 05:52:58 -0800 (PST), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>On Feb 22, 7:22 am, "Robert Westergrom" <burtonu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 3.Memphis, Tenn.
>City that has some dubious honors:
> (1) They hosted the first KKK Convention

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A group including many former Confederate veterans founded the first
branch of the Ku Klux Klan as a social club in Pulaski, Tennessee, in
1866. The first two words of the organization's name supposedly
derived from the Greek word "kyklos," meaning circle. In the summer of
1867, local branches of the Klan met in a general organizing
convention and established what they called an "Invisible Empire of
the South."
http://www.history.com/topics/ku-klux-klan

[Bill Graham]

The truth will set you free wrote:

> On 6/14/2013 8:37 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>> On Jun 14, 10:27 am, BeamMeUpScotty
>> <ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:

>>> On 6/14/2013 11:08 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jun 14, 9:40 am, BeamMeUpScotty
>>>> <ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> > And isn't the world full of racist, I know the
>>>> > Democrat-Socialist party is full of Liberal racist types.
>>>
>>>> Can you back up that contention using the same (*) strategy as I
>>>> did?
>>>
>>>> I dare you to find ONE Liberal who says "My party is full of
>>>> racists".
>>>
>>

>> > I dare you to find a Liberal that isn't lying about their
>> ideology. You just insulted A LOT OF VOTERS!
>>
>> Do Jews know that the real anti-Semite, Neo-Nazi party is the
>> Democrat???
>>
>> -Ramon
>>
>> NB: Jews are the most loyal Democratic voters (75%), only surpassed
>> by Blacks (96%).
>>
> American Jews relish the role of martyr. They can't wait to be
> punished by Obama and the Maxists. They will sing all the way to the
> showers.

And their song of choice is, "We Shall Overcome" - What amazes me it that
they are so passive and forgiving. You'd think that after suffering through
the Holocaust, they would be rabid, "Stomp on the tyrants of the world"
Republicans....:^)

[Bill Graham]

richard wrote:

> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 05:40:07 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F. Cabanaboy wrote:
>
>> The Trayvon Martin Trial; Law-Abiding Latino Forced To Shoot Violent,
>> Criminal Black Savage In Self-Defense; America Takes Sides; Latinos
>> Versus Negroes
>> Which side are you on?
>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trayvon-martin-america-takes-sides-8651354.html
>> -----
>> (snicker)
>>

>> On Jun 14, 3:36 am, "Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>>> It is that time of the year, to parade my massive and growing
>>> collection.
>>>
>>> -Ramon
>>>

>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­-
>
> IF the man acted in true self defense, then yes he should be set free.
> Makes no differnce what the skin color is or heritage is.
>
> The thing about this case is, Zimmerman had no legal cause to act as a
> police officer and even question Martin about anything.
> Let alone "hold" Martin for the cops.
> Regardless of Martin's past history, which is inadmissable evidence,
> it is Zimmerman's actions that are on trial, not Martin's.
>
> The question has always been, do you have the legal right to shoot
> and kill someone who hit you with their fists and that person was not
> armed?
> The answer is no, you do not.

Not true. It depends. If you are an old person and can be easily killed by a
young man with his fists, then you can argue self defence successfully. I am
77, arthritic, psoriatic, and diabetic. Sometimes I can barely walk. If I
was attacked by a 20 year old, and I blew him away with my pocket pistol, I
may very well be able to argue self defence.

[Bill Graham]

BeamMeUpScotty wrote:

> On 6/14/2013 3:40 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> (3) MSNBC's O'Donnell: "You Republican strategists are saying: 'How
>> do we undo this!? Look what we have done to the Latino voters... How
>> can we possibly get them back?'"
>>
>

> Why would Republicans want people that would vote based on skin color?
>
>
> You must want the KKK voters too, because they will also vote based on
> skin color like you Liberals want people to do.
>
>
> Their actual skin color is irrelevant, the important fact is that they
> will vote based on skin color. That's the basis of Liberalism.

No. The basis of liberalism is stupidity. Why complicate such a simple
concept?

[Bill Graham]

Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>
> The left hates IDEAS (which is fine!)
> The Right (PEOPLE).
>
> -Ramon

But you are always quoting people to justify your idealogy, (like the woman
above that said she disagreed with the AZ law that her husband voted for.)
So you too are guilty of putting people above your ideaology.

[deadrat]

On 6/14/13 6:33 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> On 6/14/2013 7:20 PM, deadrat wrote:
>> On 6/14/13 5:31 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>> On 6/14/2013 6:07 PM, deadrat wrote:
>>>> On 6/14/13 4:25 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>>> On 6/14/2013 4:31 PM, deadrat wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/14/13 12:46 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/14/2013 3:38 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>>>>>>>> "With Latinos forming the fastest-growing electoral bloc in the
>>>>>>>> nation,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...."]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Skin color is reduced by Liberalism to being a voting bloc?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Boy is that racist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Er, Sparky? Latinos don't form a race. You might want to get that
>>>>>> straight about your future masters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> "Latinos forming the fastest-growing electoral bloc"
>>>>
>>>> That may be, but that bloc is not based on race.
>>>
>>> Then why is a crime against a Latino a racial hate crime if you call
>>> him/her a "Beaner"
>>
>> It's not a crime to call someone a "Beaner."
>
>
> That's pitiful, playing games.

Sorry, your writing is less than clear. Don't automatically blame the
receiver. Check the transmitter first

> when we both know that three guys of a
> different color whip one person of another race and they call the person
> getting their ass kicked a racial slur.... you and I know that that
> slur will be used to make it a race hate crime. Unless maybe it's a
> white male getting that ass whooping.

I think I see your problem. The specific one here, not the general one
of your abyssal ignorance. There isn't such a thing as a "race hate
crime." There are just hate crimes. The law lists the types of
prejudice that qualify. Race is one; ethnicity is another.
>
> You hide from "race" when it's you calling an ethnic group a racial name

Me? I don't call ethnic groups names.

> but when you get to cry that there was a hate crime

Me? I'm opposed to hate crime legislation.

> suddenly you want
> to make it all vague and put any racial slur from a KKK member into the
> hate crime box.

First of all, racial slurs from KKK members (or anybody) is protected
speech. Racial slurs uttered while committing a crime against a member
of the disparaged race is evidence of a hate crime.

Secondly, I'm opposed to the government inquiring into the motivations
of prejudice in defining crimes.

You must be thinking of someone else.

[Bill Graham]

RD Sandman wrote:
> richard <nor...@example.com> wrote in
> news:11dpwazvhxk7q.6030kvzxbkbd$.d...@40tude.net:

>
>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 05:40:07 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F. Cabanaboy wrote:
>>
>>> The Trayvon Martin Trial; Law-Abiding Latino Forced To Shoot
>>> Violent, Criminal Black Savage In Self-Defense; America Takes
>>> Sides; Latinos Versus Negroes
>>> Which side are you on?
>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trayvon-martin-americ
>>> a-takes-sides-8651354.html -----
>>> (snicker)
>>>
>>> On Jun 14, 3:36 am, "Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>>>> It is that time of the year, to parade my massive and growing
>>>> collection.
>>>>
>>>> -Ramon
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> ------­-
>>
>> IF the man acted in true self defense, then yes he should be set
>> free. Makes no differnce what the skin color is or heritage is.
>>
>> The thing about this case is, Zimmerman had no legal cause to act as
>> a police officer and even question Martin about anything.
>> Let alone "hold" Martin for the cops.
>> Regardless of Martin's past history, which is inadmissable evidence,
>> it is Zimmerman's actions that are on trial, not Martin's.
>

> Except for that final confrontation. Who is determined to have
> started the physical portion will go a long way. What will be
> interesting is how that will be deduced by the jury.

>
>> The question has always been, do you have the legal right to shoot
>> and kill someone who hit you with their fists and that person was not
>> armed? The answer is no, you do not.
>

> Problems with that. A person can most certainly kill you with their
> bare hands and Zimmerman had no way of knowing whether or not Martin
> was armed. He could make a supposition that he was not but he didn't
> know for sure, AFAIK. The bottom line will most likely come down to
> who the jury believes started the physical portion of the encounter.
>
> The legal right for self defense including the use of deadly physical
> force comes down to whether or not a "reasonable person" would belive
> that there was an immediate fear of loss of life or serious bodily
> harm to oneself or an innocent third party. For "reasonable person"
> read that as the police, a prosecutor, a judge, or the jury.

Yes. If you are in your 70's and arthritic, overweight, diabetic and
psoriatic, (as am I) you may be very well justified in blowing away some
twenty year old who is obviously out to get you.

[Chadwick Groves]

Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:41:59 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
<gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote:
>On Mar 19, 2:19 pm, Al <albert.finney...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In article
>> <d0bfe4e1-bb2f-47ec-915a-df677f40c...@f5g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>,

>>  "Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:

>> > "Romney won white Catholics by 19 points and lost Latino Catholics by
>> > 54 points!"
> > 52% of Latino immigrants are on some form of welfare,
> > of COURSE they vote socialist.
>Cite? Reference? URL? Factoid? Rumor? Gossip? Urban Legend? Wet dream
>(pun intended)? Made-up assertion? Lie?
>Truth: Hispanics are UNDERREPRESENTED as welfare recipients.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In 2010 the US Census board listed the following demographics for the
US:

White: 63.7% - 196,817,552
Black: 12.2% - 37,685,848
Hispanic: 16.4% - 50,477,594
Asian: 4.7% - 14,465,124
Other: 3% - 9,299,420

information above retained from:
wikipedia.org/wiki/demographics_of_the_united_states

From the numbers above you can tell the percentage of the population
that is on welfare by race. See below:

Out of approx 196,817,552 whites - 39.8% are on welfare
Out of approx 37,685,848 blacks - 38.8% are on welfare
Out of approx 50,477,594 hispanics - 15.7% are on welfare
Out of approx 14,465,124 asians - 2.4% are on welfare
Out of approx 9,299,420 other - 3% are on welfare

Read more:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Discuss:What_is_the_race_percentage_for_welfare_recipients#ixzz2O2WKCF13

[Bill Graham]

BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> On 6/14/2013 4:30 PM, deadrat wrote:

>> On 6/14/13 12:44 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>> On 6/14/2013 3:40 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> (3) MSNBC's O'Donnell: "You Republican strategists are saying:
>>>> 'How do we undo this!? Look what we have done to the Latino
>>>> voters... How can we possibly get them back?'"
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why would Republicans want people that would vote based on skin
>>> color?
>>

>> It's their base?
>
> But your Liberal pal just told me that the Latino block of voters was
> all Liberal voters..... I figure you want racial blocks so you must
> want the KKK too.
>
>
> They vote as a racial block.
>
>
>
> Are you discriminating by racial blocks that you want to woo?
>
>
>
> What a sorry pack of racists you Liberals are.

Most of them love affirmative action, so that should tell you something
right there..... (like maybe their brains are about the size of peanuts....)

[Bill Graham]

BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> On 6/14/2013 6:07 PM, deadrat wrote:
>> On 6/14/13 4:25 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>> On 6/14/2013 4:31 PM, deadrat wrote:
>>>> On 6/14/13 12:46 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>>> On 6/14/2013 3:38 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>>>>>> "With Latinos forming the fastest-growing electoral bloc in the
>>>>>> nation,
>>>>>
>>>>> ...."]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Skin color is reduced by Liberalism to being a voting bloc?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Boy is that racist.
>>>>
>>>> Er, Sparky? Latinos don't form a race. You might want to get that
>>>> straight about your future masters.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> "Latinos forming the fastest-growing electoral bloc"
>>
>> That may be, but that bloc is not based on race.
>
> Then why is a crime against a Latino a racial hate crime if you call

> him/her a "Beaner" You can change that out with black guy and
> calling him/her the appropriate slur. Any way you cut it, Latino's
> are a "racial" block in the Liberal world. I see people as
> different and NOne vote as a block
>
> Now I'm confused..... when is a racial hate crime NOT about race?
>
>
> Only when the Race is Latino?
>
>
> “I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her
> experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a
> white male who hasn’t lived that life,” said Judge Sotomayor,
>
>
> Are white males a race?

The mere fact that she justifies whatever decision she makes based on her
own racial background is racist in itself. What the hell is wrong with
basing your decisions on logic?

[deadrat]

On 6/14/13 6:42 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:

> On 6/14/2013 7:36 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
>> Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> (3) MSNBC's O'Donnell: "You Republican strategists are saying: 'How do
>>> we undo this!? Look what we have done to the Latino voters... How can
>>> we possibly get them back?'"
>>>

>>> Steve Schmidt, Top Republican Strategist (*), agreeing: "If we [the
>>> GOP] had a deliberate strategy to antagonize every Latino voter in
>>> this country, it is not possible that we could have done a better
>>> job".
>>>
>>> "The Republican Party cannot be a national party if it doesn't compete
>>> in the Hispanic market - Look at those numbers: we have big, big
>>> problems."
>>>
>>> (*) Played by Woody Harrelson in the McCain campaign HBO movie.
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>
>> It isn't the, "Hispanic Market" that's the problem.
>
> No but the Fact Liberals divide people up like that and suggest they
> vote a certain way because their skin is within a specific range of
> color is telling about Liberalism.

You can't name any "Liberals" who "suggest" that people vote a certain
way because their skin is a certain color. It's a fact that 96% of
black voters and 71% of Hispanic voters voted for Obama. Presumably the
71% of Hispanics had skin that ran the spectrum from white to black.

> Its says little about the voting

Yet the percentages are what they are.

> but a lot about who the real racists are.

Keep telling black- and brown-skinned people that they vote only based
on the melanin in their skin. The love to hear things like that.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 6/14/2013 9:43 PM, deadrat wrote:
> On 6/14/13 6:33 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>> On 6/14/2013 7:20 PM, deadrat wrote:
>>> On 6/14/13 5:31 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>> On 6/14/2013 6:07 PM, deadrat wrote:
>>>>> On 6/14/13 4:25 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/14/2013 4:31 PM, deadrat wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/14/13 12:46 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/14/2013 3:38 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "With Latinos forming the fastest-growing electoral bloc in the
>>>>>>>>> nation,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...."]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Skin color is reduced by Liberalism to being a voting bloc?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Boy is that racist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Er, Sparky? Latinos don't form a race. You might want to get that
>>>>>>> straight about your future masters.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Latinos forming the fastest-growing electoral bloc"
>>>>>
>>>>> That may be, but that bloc is not based on race.
>>>>
>>>> Then why is a crime against a Latino a racial hate crime if you call
>>>> him/her a "Beaner"
>>>
>>> It's not a crime to call someone a "Beaner."
>>
>>
>> That's pitiful, playing games.
>
> Sorry, your writing is less than clear. Don't automatically blame the
> receiver. Check the transmitter first
>

I look at it as we just think in different dimensions.



If I explained everything I'd be writing a book..... you have to fill in
some of the blanks so you need to get up to speed. Think ahead a little
and anticipate where I'm headed.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Logic is NOT a Liberal forte` .

[BeamMeUpScotty]

But NOT necessarily why you say they are what they are.


You latch onto race and they probably vote their wallet.

[Ricky Jimenez]

In order to get a conviction in this case, the prosecution has to
disprove self defense beyond a reasonable doubt. The following is the
content of the jury instruction the defense will request. They need
only present a tiny amount of evidence of self defense to get it.

The prosecution has to do at least one of the following:

1. Show beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was committing a
'forcible felony' at the start of hostilities, e.g. trying to detain
Martin at gunpoint. They have to file a separate charge to argue
this, something they haven't done yet.

2. Show beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman did not have fear of
great bodily harm if he didn't shoot Martin. This line took a big hit
last week when two "experts", the state was hoping would establish
that Martin was the one screaming on the 911 tape, flopped at a Frye
hearing. That hearing continues Monday, June 17, 4PM EDT.

3. Show both beyond a reasonable doubt:
a) Zimmerman provoked the violence from Martin.
b) Zimmerman could have withdrew from the fray without harm but
chose not to.
This line is popular with some Trayvonites who think getting out of
the car and reaching into ones pocket for a cell phone is a
provocation and that Zimmerman's admission he had pinned Martin's arm
or wrist while reaching into his holster to get the gun shows he
didn't have to shoot.