Hispanic "immigrant" brings deadly anti-biotic immune TB to USA
Hisler
"immigrants" to kill Americans.
http://www.svherald.com/content/2009/12/27/first-case-highly-drug-
resistant-tb-found-us
LANTANA, Fla. (AP) � It started with a cough, an autumn hack that
refused to go away.
Then came the fevers. They bathed and chilled the skinny frame of
Oswaldo Juarez, a 19-year-old Peruvian visiting to study English.
His lungs clattered, his chest tightened and he ached with every
gasp. During a wheezing fit at 4 a.m., Juarez felt a warm knot rise
from his throat. He ran to the bathroom sink and spewed a mouthful
of blood.
I�m dying, he told himself, �because when you cough blood, it�s
something really bad.�
It was really bad, and not just for him.
Doctors say Juarez�s incessant hack was a sign of what they have
both dreaded and expected for years � this country�s first case of
a contagious, aggressive, especially drug-resistant form of
tuberculosis. The Associated Press learned of his case, which until
now has not been made public, as part of a six-month look at the
soaring global challenge of drug resistance.
Juarez�s strain � so-called extremely drug-resistant (XXDR) TB �
has never before been seen in the U.S., according to Dr. David
Ashkin, one of the nation�s leading experts on tuberculosis. XXDR
tuberculosis is so rare that only a handful of other people in the
world are thought to have had it.
�He is really the future,� Ashkin said. �This is the new class that
people are not really talking too much about. These are the ones we
really fear because I�m not sure how we treat them.�
Forty years ago, the world thought it had conquered TB and any
number of other diseases through the new wonder drugs: Antibiotics.
U.S. Surgeon General William H. Stewart announced it was �time to
close the book on infectious diseases and declare the war against
pestilence won.�
Today, all the leading killer infectious diseases on the planet �
TB, malaria and HIV among them � are mutating at an alarming rate,
hitchhiking their way in and out of countries. The reason: Overuse
and misuse of the very drugs that were supposed to save us.
Just as the drugs were a manmade solution to dangerous illness, the
problem with them is also manmade. It is fueled worldwide by
everything from counterfeit drugmakers to the unintended
consequences of giving drugs to the poor without properly
monitoring their treatment. Here�s what the AP found:
� In Cambodia, scientists have confirmed the emergence of a new
drug-resistant form of malaria, threatening the only treatment left
to fight a disease that already kills 1 million people a year.
� In Africa, new and harder to treat strains of HIV are being
detected in about 5 percent of new patients. HIV drug resistance
rates have shot up to as high as 30 percent worldwide.
� In the U.S., drug-resistant infections killed more than 65,000
people last year � more than prostate and breast cancer combined.
More than 19,000 people died from a staph infection alone that has
been eliminated in Norway, where antibiotics are stringently
limited.
�Drug resistance is starting to be a very big problem. In the past,
people stopped worrying about TB and it came roaring back. We need
to make sure that doesn�t happen again,� said Dr. Thomas Frieden,
director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,
who was himself infected with tuberculosis while caring for drug-
resistant patients at a New York clinic in the early �90s. �We are
all connected by the air we breathe, and that is why this must be
everyone�s problem.�
This April, the World Health Organization sounded alarms by holding
its first drug-resistant TB conference in Beijing. The message was
clear � the disease has already spread to all continents and is
increasing rapidly. Even worse, WHO estimates only 1 percent of
resistant patients received appropriate treatment last year.
�We have seen a huge upburst in resistance,� said CDC
epidemiologist Dr. Laurie Hicks.
___
Juarez� strain of TB puzzled doctors. He had never had TB before.
Where did he pick it up? Had he passed it on? And could they stop
it before it killed him?
At first, mainstream doctors tried to treat him. But the disease
had already gnawed a golf-ball-sized hole into his right lung.
TB germs can float in the air for hours, especially in tight places
with little sunlight or fresh air. So every time Juarez coughed,
sneezed, laughed or talked, he could spread the deadly germs to
others.
�You feel like you�re killing somebody, like you could kill a lot
of people. That was the worst part,� he said.
Tuberculosis is the top single infectious killer of adults
worldwide, and it lies dormant in one in three people, according to
WHO. Of those, 10 percent will develop active TB, and about 2
million people a year will die from it.
Simple TB is simple to treat � as cheap as a $10 course of
medication for six to nine months. But if treatment is stopped
short, the bacteria fight back and mutate into a tougher strain. It
can cost $100,000 a year or more to cure drug-resistant TB, which
is described as multi-drug-resistant (MDR), extensively drug-
resistant (XDR) and XXDR.
There are now about 500,000 cases of MDR tuberculosis a year
worldwide. XDR tuberculosis killed 52 of the first 53 people
diagnosed with it in South Africa three years ago.
Drug-resistant TB is a �time bomb,� said Dr. Masae Kawamura, who
heads the Francis J. Curry National Tuberculosis Center in San
Francisco, �a manmade problem that is costly, deadly, debilitating,
and the biggest threat to our current TB control strategies.�
Juarez underwent three months of futile treatment in a Fort
Lauderdale hospital. Then in December 2007 he was sent to A.G.
Holley State Hospital, a 60-year-old massive building of brown
concrete surrounded by a chain-link fence, just south of West Palm
Beach.
�They told me my treatment was going to be two years, and I have
only one chance at life,� Juarez said. �They told me if I went to
Peru, I�m probably going to live one month and then I�m going to
die.�
Holley is the nation�s last-standing TB sanitarium, a quarantine
hospital that is now managing new and virulent forms of the
disease.
Tuberculosis has been detected in the spine of a 4,400-year-old
Egyptian mummy. In the 1600s, it was known as the great white
plague because it turned patients pale. In later centuries, as it
ate through bodies, they called it �consumption.� By 1850, an
estimated 25 percent of Europeans and Americans were dying of
tuberculosis, often in isolated sanatoriums like Holley where they
were sent for rest and nutrition.
Then in 1944 a critically ill TB patient was given a new miracle
antibiotic and immediately recovered. New drugs quickly followed.
They worked so well that by the 1970s in the U.S., it was assumed
the disease was a problem of the past.
Once public health officials decided TB was gone, the disease was
increasingly missed or misdiagnosed. And without public funding, it
made a comeback among the poor. Then immigration and travel
flourished, breaking down invisible walls that had contained TB.
Drug resistance emerged worldwide. Doctors treated TB with the
wrong drug combinations. Clinics ran out of drug stocks. And
patients cut their treatment short when they felt better, or even
shared pills with other family members.
There are two ways to get drug resistant TB. Most cases develop
from taking medication inappropriately. But it can also be
transmitted like simple TB, a cough or a sneeze.
In the 1980s, HIV and AIDS brought an even bigger resurgence of TB
cases. TB remains the biggest killer of HIV patients today.
For decades, drug makers failed to develop new medicines for TB
because the profits weren�t there. With the emergence of resistant
TB, several private drug companies have started developing new
treatments, but getting an entire regimen on the market could take
24 years. In the meantime, WHO estimates each victim will infect an
average of 10 to 15 others annually before they die.
A.G. Holley was back in business.
___
Holley�s corridors are long and dark, with fluorescent tubes
throwing harsh white light on drab walls. One room is filled with
hulking machines once used to collapse lungs, sometimes by
inserting ping pong balls. Antique cabinets hold metal tools for
spreading and removing ribs � all from a time when TB was rampant
and the hospital�s 500 beds were filled.
Only 50 beds are funded today, but those are mostly full. More than
half the patients are court-ordered into treatment after refusing
to take their meds on the outside.
Juarez came voluntarily. In the beginning, he was isolated and
forced to wear a mask when he left his room. He could touch his
Peruvian family only in pictures taped to the wall. He missed his
dad, his siblings, his dog, his parrot, and especially his mother.
�I was very depressed,� he said. �I had all this stuff in my mind.�
He spent countless hours alone inside the sterile corner room
reserved for patients on extended stays � dubbed �the penthouse�
because it is bigger and lined by a wall of windows.
His moods ran hot and cold. He punched holes in the walls out of
frustration, played loud reggaeton music with a thumping beat and
got into fights with other patients. He covered his door�s small
window with a drawing of an evil clown to keep nurses from peering
inside. He made friends with new patients, but was forced to stay
long after many of them came, got cured, and left.
Early on, Juarez�s treatment was similar to chemotherapy. Drugs
were pumped into his bloodstream intravenously three times a day,
and he choked down another 30 pills, including some that turned his
skin a dark shade of brown. He swallowed them with spoonfuls of
applesauce, yogurt, sherbet and chocolate pudding, but once they
hit his stomach, waves of nausea sometimes sent him heaving. He
would then have to force them all down again.
�When he first came in we really had to throw everything and the
kitchen sink at him,� said Ashkin, the hospital�s medical director,
who experimented on Juarez with high doses of drugs, some not
typically used for TB. �It was definitely cutting edge and
definitely somewhat risky because it�s not like I can go to the
textbooks or � journal articles to find out how to do this.�
After 17 years of handling complex cases � including TB in the
brain and spine � Ashkin had never seen a case so resistant. He
believed he would have to remove part of Juarez�s lung.
Ashkin dialed Peru to talk to the young man�s father.
It�s a rare disease, said Ashkin, hard to define. Your son is one
of two people in the world known to have had this strain, he said.
�What happened to the other person?� his father asked.
�He died.�
___
Juarez�s adventure in the U.S. had turned into a medical nightmare.
About 60 million people visit the U.S. every year, and most are not
screened for TB before arrival. Only refugees and those coming as
immigrants are checked. The top category of multidrug-resistant
patients in the U.S.� 82 percent of the cases identified in 2007 �
was foreign-born patients, according to the CDC.
The results are startling among those tested, said Dr. Angel
Contreras, who screens Dominicans seeking to enter the U.S. on
immigrant visas. The high rate of MDR-TB in the Dominican Republic
coupled with high HIV rates in neighboring Haiti are a health
crisis in the making, he said.
�They�re perfect ingredients for a disaster,� he said.
Juarez�s homeland, Peru, is also a hotspot for multidrug-resistant
TB. DNA fingerprinting linked his disease to similar strains found
there and in China, but none with the same level of resistance.
�So the question is: Is this a strain that�s evolving? That�s
mutating? That�s becoming more and more resistant?� asked Ashkin.
�I think the answer is yes.�
Doctors grappling with these new strains inadvertently give the
wrong medicines, and so the TB mutates to become more aggressive
and resistant.
Poor countries also do not have the resources to determine whether
a patient�s TB is drug-resistant. That requires sputum culturing
and drug-susceptibility testing � timely, expensive processes that
must be performed in capable labs. WHO is working to make these
methods more available in high-risk countries as well as
negotiating cheaper prices for second-line drugs.
�There�s a lot of MDR and XDR-TB that hasn�t been diagnosed in
places like South Africa and Peru, Russia, Estonia, Latvia,� said
Dr. Megan Murray, a tuberculosis expert at Harvard. �We think it�s
a big public health threat.�
Experts argue if wealthy countries do not help the worst-hit places
develop comprehensive TB programs, it puts everyone at risk.
�You�re really looking at a global issue,�� said Dr. Lee Reichman,
a TB expert at the New Jersey Medical School Global Tuberculosis
Institute. �It�s not a foreign problem, you can�t keep these TB
patients out. It�s time people realize that.�
_____
Juarez spent a year and a half living alone in a room plastered
with bikini-clad blondes, baseball caps and a poster of Mt. Everest
for inspiration. There were days when he simply shut down and
refused his meds until his family convinced him to keep fighting.
�I was thinking that maybe if I need to die, then that�s what I
need to do,� he said, perched on his bed in baggy jeans. �I felt
like: �I�m never going to get better. I�m never going to get out of
here.��
When put side by side, his CAT scans from before and after
treatment are hard to believe. The dark hole is gone, and only a
small white scar tattoos his lung.
�They told me the TB is gone, but I know that TB, it doesn�t have a
cure. It only has a treatment like HIV,� he said, his English now
fluent and his body weight up 32 pounds from when he first arrived.
�The TB can come back. I saw people who came back to the hospital
twice and some of them died. So, it�s very scary.�
His treatment cost Florida taxpayers an estimated $500,000, a price
tag medical director Ashkin says seems like an astronomical amount
to spend on someone who�s not an American citizen. But he questions
how the world can afford not to treat Juarez and others sick with
similar lethal strains.
�This is an airborne spread disease � so when we treat that
individual, we�re actually treating and protecting all of us,� he
said. �This is true homeland security.�
In July, at age 21 � 19 months after checking in � Juarez swallowed
his last pills, packed a few small suitcases and wheeled them down
the hospital�s long corridor.
The last time doctors saw him, he was walking out of the sanitarium
into south Florida�s soupy heat.
____
Martha Mendoza is an AP national writer based in Mexico City.
Margie Mason is an AP medical writer who worked on this project as
a 2009 Nieman Global Health Fellow with The Nieman Foundation at
Harvard University.
==========================================
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705354277/Activist-who-denounced-
Mexico-border-killings-dies.html?linkTrack=rss-5
CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico � Esther Chavez, a women's rights activist
who first drew attention to the brutal slayings of women in the
border city of Ciudad Juarez, has died, her nephew said Saturday.
She was 73.
Hector Chavez Arbizu said his aunt died of cancer on Friday and
will be buried in Ciudad Juarez, where more than 100 women were
strangled and their bodies dumped in the desert or vacant lots in a
string of killings that began in the 1990s.
Chavez founded Casa Amiga, a shelter for female victims of violence
in this city of 1.5 million across the border from El Paso, Texas.
She worked tirelessly to denounce the decade-long string of
killings and to demand that the deaths be properly investigated.
Most of the victims were young and many worked at border assembly
factories known as maquiladoras.
Authorities in Chihuahua state initially downplayed the problem,
and many of the crimes remain unresolved.
To the end of her life, Chavez remained highly critical of police
efforts and said the total death toll from the wave of violence
against women in the city was in the hundreds.
"The death of activist Esther Chavez represents a loss for the
fight for human rights and the rule of law in this country," the
Mexican newspaper La Jornada wrote in an editorial Saturday. "She
made the problems in Chihuahua visible on the international stage."
In 2008, Chavez won Mexico's National Human Rights Award. And a
month before she died, the Inter-American Court of Human Rights
issued a ruling criticizing Mexico for a lack of diligence in
investigating the slayings of 3 of the victims.
The court said it found irregularities in the probes, including the
mishandling of evidence and the coercing of innocent people to
confess.
The court said Mexico should pay a total of $800,000 in
compensation to the victims' families, solve the killings and fix
its procedures for investigating the slayings. Mexico has agreed to
be bound by the court's rulings.
In 2005, the then-special prosecutor for the Ciudad Juarez
killings, Claudia Velarde, said prosecutors had solved 80 percent
of the killings, but many relatives doubt the real culprits have
been caught.
While so-called "profile" killings involving young women strangled
and left in desert dumping grounds tapered off around mid-decade,
Ciudad Juarez is now in the grips of a wave of drug-cartel violence
that has cost about 2,000 lives in 2009.
Chavez is survived by her nephew and her brother. A memorial
service was held for her Saturday.
===========================
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/mexico/Texas_police_Teen_was_victim
_of_human_trafficking.html
SAN JUAN � A 16-year-old Mexican girl was raped, deprived of food
and forced into household labor by a South Texas family who sneaked
her across the Mexican border into the United States, police said.
Ofelia Vargas, 45, was arrested Wednesday and charged with failure
to report a felony, San Juan Police Chief Juan Gonzalez said. Her
daughter, Belen Vargas, 17, has been charged with misdemeanor
assault. Police are searching for her son, Benito Vargas, 17, who
was last seen at the girl's home in Jalisco, Mexico.
Ofelia Vargas was being held in Hildago County Jail in lieu of
$50,000 bond. Belen Vargas was in custody at the La Villa Detention
Center in lieu of $45,000 bond. She was being held on an unrelated
marijuana possession charge.
Neither Vargas nor her daughter could be reached for comment.
Gonzalez said police believe Benito Vargas sexually assaulted the
girl and that his mother did not respond to her cries for help.
Gonzalez also said the girl's family told authorities Benito Vargas
went to their home searching for her after she disappeared and
tried to intimidate them.
The police chief told The Monitor in McAllen it's not uncommon for
girls and women to be lured north across the border under false
pretenses. He said the 16-year-old "came over with the intent of a
better life, but what she walked into was a nightmare."
The teen was beaten on several occasions, rarely fed and forced to
sleep on a couch outside, he said. She escaped this week through a
window in the house.
A neighbor took her to a shelter where she was under police
supervision, Gonzalez said.
Police said Benito Vargas may face additional charges, including
unlawful restraint and human trafficking.
======================
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8412603.stm
When John Spears gets home from his sales job in New York, he sits
down at his computer with a bottle of beer and starts patrolling
the US border.
And to do it, he does not need to stir from his sofa.
He is one of tens of thousands of people around the world who are
volunteering to patrol the 1250-mile long (2000 km) stretch between
Texas and Mexico via the web.
The controversial $4m (�2.5m) Texas Virtual Border Watch Programme
invites civilians to log on to Blueservo.net.
There they can monitor live feeds 24/7 from 21 hidden surveillance
cameras placed at intervals along the border.
Supporters see the initiative as a step forward in US efforts to
curb illegal immigration, drug smuggling and border violence.
Critics say it is encouraging vigilantism and stoking anti-
immigrant feeling.
Value for money?
Since the site went live in November 2008, it has received more
than 50 million hits, and more than 130,000 people have registered
to become " virtual deputies". They are located as far afield as
Australia, Mexico, Colombia, Israel, New Zealand and the UK.
Having those extra pairs of eyes makes a big difference
Don Reay, Texas Border Sheriff's Coalition
The increased focus on the border comes amid concerns that drug-
related violence is spilling over from Mexico into the US.
So far, some 21 arrests have been made under the programme which is
operated by the Texas Border Sheriff's Coalition (TBSC). The
majority were for drug smuggling, leading to the seizure of
4,720lbs (2,140kg) of marijuana.
Critics say this does not represent value for money. State Senator
Eliot Shapleigh, a Democrat from El Paso, described the scheme as a
waste of money.
He argues that border cameras will "invite extremists to
participate in a virtual immigrant hunt".
The Bush administration tried to curb illegal immigration and drug
smuggling by erecting a wall along parts of the US-Mexico border.
The surveillance cameras are focused on those stretches not
protected by the wall or border guards.
Controversial measure
The website tells users what to look for: groups crowded into boats
trying to cross the Rio Grande, individuals carrying backpacks or
packages, cars parked in isolated areas and people crawling through
the undergrowth.
I get a kick out of playing border guard - it's more interesting
than TV
John Spears, virtual deputy
If the virtual deputies spot anything suspicious, they click a
button on the website and send a message to the sheriff's office in
the corresponding location.
The sheriff's office will then decide whether to investigate or to
refer the sighting to the US Border Patrol.
"Having those extra pairs of eyes makes a big difference," says
TBSC executive director Don Reay. "If we can prevent crime by our
mere presence then that is a very good thing."
The scheme has drawn criticism from politicians and civil liberties
groups, who say patrolling the border is the responsibility of the
US government, not volunteer citizens.
Federal backing
Jay Stanley of the American Civil Liberties Union says that while
it is "legitimate to protect the country's border, we would be
concerned that the cameras might encourage vigilantism. That people
would think they saw an illegal immigrant and then jump in their
truck with a gun."
The scheme has led to fewer than two dozen arrests so far
But the administrators of the site maintain the primary goal of the
initiative is to tackle crime, not illegal immigration.
The criminal justice office of Texas Governor Rick Perry awarded
the programme $2m in federal funds in its first year and has
provided an additional $2m to fund another year. More cameras will
also be added in the months ahead.
Governor Perry has been criticised locally for pandering to the
right-wing fringes of the Republican Party, and the scheme has been
mocked on national television. Governor Perry's office did not
return calls for comment.
Fred Burton, vice president of intelligence at the global
intelligence company Stratfor, says cameras are not the solution
for the border, but that they are a tool.
According to the TBSC, the surveillance cameras act as a powerful
deterrent to potential drug traffickers and illegal immigrants.
Mr Reay says that it is "impossible to quantify how much criminal
activity we are deterring but we've seen a high volume of 'turn-
backs', where people come right up to the border then turn around
again."
Like real police work, online border patrolling seems to consist of
hours of tedium punctuated by minutes of high excitement.
Despite this, Deanna Blythe spends about an hour a day logged on
the site. The housewife from Athens, Ohio, says that it gives her a
feeling of doing her civic duty and helping to keep the borders
secure.
Virtual deputy John Spears says it is more than that. He actually
gets "a kick out of coming home from a day in the office and
playing border guard. It's more interesting than TV".
SHERIFFS JOE'S ILLEGAL'S HOTLINE NUMBER (602)876- 4154
"We the People are the rightful masters of both Congress and the
Courts--not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men
who pervert the Constitution."
Abraham Lincoln
Chaos out of Order
Germany.
Mr.Sandman
> Hisler <His...@cocks.net> wrote:
>
> <http://www.svherald.com/content/2009/12/27/first-case-highly-drug-resistant-tb-found-us>
>> LANTANA, Fla. (AP) � It started with a cough, an autumn hack that
>> refused to go away.
>>
>> Then came the fevers. They bathed and chilled the skinny frame of
>> Oswaldo Juarez, a 19-year-old Peruvian visiting to study English.
>
> he's really a student, I really have no problem.
>
> It's the illegals and criminals that need to be addressed. Don't
> spread it so thin they get overlooked and get away with what they do.
"Hisler" is just another Neo-Nazi hiding behind concern over illegals to
promote his views. The bad news for him is that Hispanic and Mestizo
America will continue to impinge on his future. There's no real escape
except perhaps only emigration to some lily-white country.
climber
> Winston_Smith wrote:
> >
Would it not be better to remove all illegal aliens to include
europeans
and asians? It could be done in a very humane manner. We can do this
under
existing law. I do anticipate major social chaos. Perhaps a coup-
formed
government is required.
Only their relatives, sleazy business intersts, and pandering
political
hacks want "new" Americans, even the illegal invaders!
climber
johnny@.
The best estimates I can find of the number of white people in the
world, are 8 to 10 percent.
It looks like we are the real minority. Why are you trying to wipe us out?
johnny@.
> climber <coled...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 27, 5:32 pm, "Mr.Sandman" <somewh...@overtherainbow.com> wrote:
>>> Winston_Smith wrote:
>> Would it not be better to remove all illegal aliens to include
>> europeans and asians?
>
>
>> It could be done in a very humane manner.
>> We can do this under existing law. I do anticipate major
>>
>> Only their relatives, sleazy business intersts, and pandering
>> political hacks want "new" Americans, even the illegal invaders!
>
> immigration laws. They choose to enforce them or not.
>
> I can't blame the guy that wanted to come here and did it openly in
> full compliance of our stated rules and laws. If we don't want them
> coming, change the laws.
They were changed, that's why white people will be the minority by 2050.
We weren't asked if we wanted the laws changed, it was just done for our
own good. It made us a more diverse society, and you know the benefits
of that.
Hisler
Sandperson would have welcomed the stranger during the 1918 Swine Flu
pandemic or during the Black Plague that wiped out half of Europe just
to prove to his community that he wasn't a Nazi, perhaps wiping them out
from disease in the process. And let us not forget that it was smallpox,
which was brought to the Americas by Hispanics from Europe, that killed
the vast majority of non-Hispanic browns. But at least the dead natives
weren't neo-Nazis.
Hisler
> Hisler <His...@cocks.net> wrote:
>
> <http://www.svherald.com/content/2009/12/27/first-case-highly-drug-resistant-tb-found-us>
>> refused to go away.
>>
>> Then came the fevers. They bathed and chilled the skinny frame of
>> Oswaldo Juarez, a 19-year-old Peruvian visiting to study English.
>
> he's really a student, I really have no problem.
I would have a big problem if one of my sons or daughters were taking a
class with this Peruvian visiting to study English and they came down
with incurable TB. It would be a death sentence.
Hisler
> Histler would surely have been a good little nazi back in 1930's
> Germany.
Is that the litmus test for good Nazis back in the '30s, i.e., to post a
story about a Peruvian student who was infected with TB which was
resistant to drugs?
Is the woman from Mexico who wrote the story a good little Nazi?
ne...@millions.com
wrote:
>Hisler <His...@cocks.net> wrote:
>
><http://www.svherald.com/content/2009/12/27/first-case-highly-drug-resistant-tb-found-us>
>>LANTANA, Fla. (AP) — It started with a cough, an autumn hack that
>>refused to go away.
>>
>>Then came the fevers. They bathed and chilled the skinny frame of
>>Oswaldo Juarez, a 19-year-old Peruvian visiting to study English.
>
>Sounds like he was here legally. I have no problem with them. If
>he's really a student, I really have no problem.
>
>It's the illegals and criminals that need to be addressed. Don't
>spread it so thin they get overlooked and get away with what they do.
And those who give assistance to illegals need "undressing" and the
light shown brightly on their devious methods such as legislative
support, tax payers' money, and all the freebees that legal citizens
never fully understand. Illegal migrants have become a major problem
throughout the world.
DCI
john redthorn
matter if the guy is legal or not. It came from Mexico and most likely
from illegals since they do not get checked for disease when they
violate our laws and decide to become criminals .
This disease has spread out into our schools infecting our kids. this
should be considered at the least attempted murder.
Nothing good comes from Mexico.
john redthorn
other illegals do not go around gathering by the millions screaming out
that they own the country and deserve rights and everyone else should
get out or die .
So they are a little harder to find .
john redthorn
john redthorn
control. Dark skinned races breed as much as possible in some pre
programmed survival action. No matter if they can feed the kids or not.
I guess the hope is that if they have 10 kids maybe one will survive the
violence or starvation or disease that is sure to be a part of their life .
Sam Spade
john redthorn
Chaos out of Order
> Chaos out of Order wrote:
>
> > Histler would surely have been a good little nazi back in 1930's
> > Germany.
>
> Is that the litmus test for good Nazis back in the '30s, i.e., to post a
> story about a Peruvian student who was infected with TB which was
> resistant to drugs?
>
Yes, there is. If you were to read up on Germany's history prior to
WWII you would learn that long before the Jews were rounded up to be
worked like slaves, tortured and executed, there were groups of "good"
Germans who waged a campaign to vilify the Jews. These good Germans
spread propaganda about Jews, claiming that Jews stole work from the
"real" Germans, that they brought to Germany diseases and plagues, and
that a good German, for the good of Germany, would do everything in
their power to stop these invaders, these dirty immigrants.
You, my friend, would have made an excellent Nazi.
john redthorn
Hisler
> On Dec 27, 5:49 pm, Hisler <His...@cocks.net> wrote:
>> Chaos out of Order wrote:
>>
>>> Histler would surely have been a good little nazi back in 1930's
>>> Germany.
>> Is that the litmus test for good Nazis back in the '30s, i.e., to post a
>> story about a Peruvian student who was infected with TB which was
>> resistant to drugs?
>>
>
> Yes, there is. If you were to read up on Germany's history prior to
> WWII you would learn that long before the Jews were rounded up to be
> worked like slaves, tortured and executed,
How does that relate to a Peruvian student with a deadly, incurable form
of TB going to a Florida college?
> there were groups of "good"
> Germans who waged a campaign to vilify the Jews. These good Germans
> spread propaganda about Jews, claiming that Jews stole work from the
> "real" Germans, that they brought to Germany diseases and plagues, and
> that a good German, for the good of Germany, would do everything in
> their power to stop these invaders, these dirty immigrants.
I wasn't born yet. That's ancient history. Has nothing to do with TB
or Hispanics.
>
> You, my friend, would have made an excellent Nazi.
Uh huh. And you would have made an excellent Italian soldier
slaughtering Ethiopians for the Italian fascists. Or maybe a Japanese
pilot bombing civilians in Nanking or Pearl Harbor. So what's your point?
Chaos out of Order
What others see your eyes can not.
Hisler
My wife and I listened to a panel discussion last night on KGNU radio in
Boulder, Colorado in which a group of historians, academics, human
rights activists, and professors came up with some startling figures
with regard to Iraq. They said Bill Clinton's sanctions on Iraq led to
the deaths of some 2 million Iraqi children under the age of 5. Their
estimates were that up to 8 million Iraqis have died under various
administrations due to sanctions, bombings, shootings and lack of
medical care.
Given the figure of 6 million Jews that are said to have died in death
camps in World War II Germany and Poland, the 8 million Iraqi deaths
seems like a figure that should shock and alarm people like you who
spend their waking lives feeling like heroes because they call some
insignificant person a Nazi for posting something on usenet about a
Peruvian student having incurable TB.
It seems that people who call other people Nazis on usenet really don't
involve themselves in any significant way in stopping the slaughter of
people in our time. They just dwell on some past event and accuse
people who takea a position on illegal immigration of being somehow
equal to Hitler or Adolph Eichman. It's really a very chicken shit and
cowardly position because it involves no risk on your part. You just
engage in defamation of character, slander, libel, and lies while the
President with the Nobel Peace Prize supports two wars being waged
against your precious brown people. Remember the 8 million Iraqi men,
women and children killed by Clinton, Bush, and Obama next time you type
a post on usenet accusing someone of being a Nazi for opposing illegal
immigration from Mexico . . . a nation that is not being bombed and a
nation that is not in any way, shape or form to be compared to Germany
or Poland in the Second World War. You're just an armchair name caller
who will go through life calling people Nazis while being blind and
oblivious to the deaths supported by your elected leaders.
john redthorn
deserve it attitude . So to try and cover up the guilt they start the
all too familiar " you are a Nazi " thing . Nazi, racist , KKK, yadda
yadda yadda .
Gunner Asch
>My wife and I listened to a panel discussion last night on KGNU radio in
>Boulder, Colorado in which a group of historians, academics, human
>rights activists, and professors came up with some startling figures
>with regard to Iraq. They said Bill Clinton's sanctions on Iraq led to
>the deaths of some 2 million Iraqi children under the age of 5. Their
>estimates were that up to 8 million Iraqis have died under various
>administrations due to sanctions, bombings, shootings and lack of
>medical care.
Given the pre Iraq/Iran war population was 25 million, the Iraq/Iran war
killed aprox 1.5 million Iraqis...yet the number of children still alive
didnt seem to diminish much.
Sounds like another leftwing cluster screw and bullshit mantra from the
touchy feely crowd in yet another AntiAmerica circle jerk.
You do know that the winning nations did allow Saddam to import
childrens medical and food for oil, did you not? Now if he was too busy
selling blackmarket oil for gold/cash/weapons to take care of his
nations kids...other than the ones such as the Marsh Arabs he
intentionally butchered...it was that rat bastard Clintons fault?
Hardly.
But..its not surprising that a leftwinger would puke up such buffoonery.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3738368.stm
More US killings of children..eh?
Gunner
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766
john redthorn
Iconoclast
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 10:28:49 -0700, Hisler <His...@cocks.net> wrote:
> >My wife and I listened to a panel discussion last night on KGNU radio in
> >Boulder, Colorado in which a group of historians, academics, human
> >rights activists, and professors came up with some startling figures
> >with regard to Iraq. They said Bill Clinton's sanctions on Iraq led to
> >the deaths of some 2 million Iraqi children under the age of 5. Their
> >estimates were that up to 8 million Iraqis have died under various
> >administrations due to sanctions, bombings, shootings and lack of
> >medical care.
>
> Given the pre Iraq/Iran war population was 25 million, the Iraq/Iran war
> killed aprox 1.5 million Iraqis...yet the number of children still alive
> didnt seem to diminish much.
>
> Sounds like another leftwing cluster screw and bullshit mantra from the
> touchy feely crowd in yet another AntiAmerica circle jerk.
If he were talking about Jews he'd be accused of being a Holocaust
denier or anti-Semite, but since he's talking about Iraqi people there
isn't a term invented yet for people like "Gunner" who deny that all
the American sanctions, bombings, looting and occupation of Iraq has
caused millions of deaths and great suffering. What is the real
difference between, as "Mr. Sandman" has said about the alleged lies
that were told about Jews in Nazi Germany to justify the Holocaust and
the lies about the Iraqi people (weapons of mass destruction, yellow
cake uranium from Africa, ties to 9-11 attacks) that were used to
justify "Shock and Awe?"
>
> You do know that the winning nations did allow Saddam to import
> childrens medical and food for oil, did you not? Now if he was too busy
> selling blackmarket oil for gold/cash/weapons to take care of his
> nations kids...other than the ones such as the Marsh Arabs he
> intentionally butchered...it was that rat bastard Clintons fault?
I seem to recall UN Director Kofi Anan's son looted billions of
dollars from the Oil for Food funds for his own personal use. IIRC,
he was slapped on the wrist for stealing money from babies and young
mothers like a typical Third World scum bag. But since Anan's son is
Black, he was given a pass by the Western media in the same way Robert
Mugabe is.
Chaos out of Order
If you act like a Nazi, if you are a racist, then being called one is
correct.
Steve from Colorado
>
> - Show quoted text -
I guess that makes Israeli Jews Nazis then.