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Tom Sr.
May 25, 2013, 7:51:03 AM5/25/13
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/25/us-usa-arizona-sheriff-idUSBRE94N0Y320130525
*Judge Rules Against 'America's Toughest Sheriff' in Racial Profiling
Lawsuit*
by Tim Gaynor and David Schwartz,
Phoenix
Fri., May 24, 201
(Reuters) - Arizona lawman Joe Arpaio violated the constitutional
rights of Latino drivers in his crackdown on illegal immigration, a
federal judge found on Friday, and ordered him to stop using race as a
factor in law enforcement decisions.
The ruling against the Maricopa County sheriff came in response to a
class-action lawsuit brought by Hispanic drivers that tested whether
police can target illegal immigrants without racially profiling U.S.
citizens and legal residents of Hispanic origin.
U.S. District Court Judge Murray Snow ruled that the sheriff's
policies violated the drivers' constitutional rights and ordered
Arpaio's office to cease using race or ancestry as a grounds to stop,
detain or hold occupants of vehicles - some of them in crime sweeps
dubbed "saturation patrols."
"The great weight of the evidence is that all types of saturation
patrols at issue in this case incorporated race as a consideration
into their operations," Snow said in a written ruling.
He added that race had factored into which vehicles the deputies
decided to stop, and into who they decided to investigate for
immigration violations.
The lawsuit contended that Arpaio, who styles himself "America's
toughest sheriff," and his officers violated the constitutional rights
of both U.S. citizens and legal immigrants alike in their zeal to
crack down on people they believe to be in the country illegally.
The ruling came days after a U.S. Senate panel approved a landmark
comprehensive immigration legislation that would usher in the biggest
changes in immigration policy in a generation if passed by Congress.
The bill would put 11 million immigrants without legal status on a 13-
year path to citizenship while further strengthening security along
the porous southwestern border with Mexico.
Arpaio declined to comment on the ruling. An attorney representing the
sheriff's office said his clients were "deeply disappointed by the
ruling" and would lodge an appeal.
"The Maricopa County Sheriff's Office has always held the position
that they never have used race and never will use race in making a law
enforcement decision," attorney Tim Casey told Reuters.
"We do disagree with the findings and my clients do intend to appeal,
but at the same time ... we will work with the court and with the
opposing counsel to comply fully with the letter and the spirit of
this order," he added.
'ILLEGAL AND PLAIN UN-AMERICAN'
Cecillia Wang, director of the American Civil Liberties Union
Immigrants' Rights Project and plaintiffs' counsel, called the judge's
ruling "an important victory that will resound far beyond Maricopa
County."
"Singling people out for traffic stops and detentions simply because
they're Latino is illegal and just plain un-American," Wang said after
the ruling was made public.
"Let this be a warning to anyone who hides behind a badge to wage
their own private campaign against Latinos or immigrants that there is
no exception in the Constitution for violating people's rights in
immigration enforcement."
During testimony in the non-jury trial last year, Arpaio said he was
against racial profiling and denied his office arrested people because
of the color of their skin.
The sheriff, who won re-election to a sixth term in November, has been
a lightning rod for controversy over his aggressive enforcement of
immigration laws in the state, which borders Mexico, as well as an
investigation into the validity of President Barack Obama's U.S. birth
certificate.
The lawsuit was brought against Arpaio and his office on behalf of
five Hispanic drivers who said they had been stopped by deputies
because of their ethnicity.
The plaintiffs, which include the Somos America immigrants' rights
coalition and all Latino drivers stopped by the sheriff's office since
2007, were seeking corrective action but not monetary damages.
Arpaio has been the subject of other probes and lawsuits. In August,
the U.S. Attorney's Office in Arizona said it had closed a criminal
investigation into accusations of financial misconduct by Arpaio, and
it declined to bring charges.
A separate U.S. Justice Department investigation and lawsuit relating
to accusations of civil rights abuses by Arpaio's office is ongoing.
Arizona has been at the heart of a bitter national debate over
immigration since Republican Governor Jan Brewer signed a 2010
crackdown on illegal immigration.
The federal government challenged the crackdown in court and said the
U.S. Constitution gives it sole authority over immigration policy. The
U.S. Supreme Court, however, has allowed to stand the part of the law
permitting police to question people they stop about their immigration
status.
Snow scheduled a hearing in the case for June 14 at 9:30 a.m. at the
Sandra Day O'Connor U.S. Federal Courthouse in Phoenix.
(Reporting by Tim Gaynor and David Schwartz; Editing by Cynthia
Johnston, Eric Walsh, Toni Reinhold)
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*Judge Rules Against 'America's Toughest Sheriff' in Racial Profiling
Lawsuit*
by Tim Gaynor and David Schwartz,
Phoenix
Fri., May 24, 201
(Reuters) - Arizona lawman Joe Arpaio violated the constitutional
rights of Latino drivers in his crackdown on illegal immigration, a
federal judge found on Friday, and ordered him to stop using race as a
factor in law enforcement decisions.
The ruling against the Maricopa County sheriff came in response to a
class-action lawsuit brought by Hispanic drivers that tested whether
police can target illegal immigrants without racially profiling U.S.
citizens and legal residents of Hispanic origin.
U.S. District Court Judge Murray Snow ruled that the sheriff's
policies violated the drivers' constitutional rights and ordered
Arpaio's office to cease using race or ancestry as a grounds to stop,
detain or hold occupants of vehicles - some of them in crime sweeps
dubbed "saturation patrols."
"The great weight of the evidence is that all types of saturation
patrols at issue in this case incorporated race as a consideration
into their operations," Snow said in a written ruling.
He added that race had factored into which vehicles the deputies
decided to stop, and into who they decided to investigate for
immigration violations.
The lawsuit contended that Arpaio, who styles himself "America's
toughest sheriff," and his officers violated the constitutional rights
of both U.S. citizens and legal immigrants alike in their zeal to
crack down on people they believe to be in the country illegally.
The ruling came days after a U.S. Senate panel approved a landmark
comprehensive immigration legislation that would usher in the biggest
changes in immigration policy in a generation if passed by Congress.
The bill would put 11 million immigrants without legal status on a 13-
year path to citizenship while further strengthening security along
the porous southwestern border with Mexico.
Arpaio declined to comment on the ruling. An attorney representing the
sheriff's office said his clients were "deeply disappointed by the
ruling" and would lodge an appeal.
"The Maricopa County Sheriff's Office has always held the position
that they never have used race and never will use race in making a law
enforcement decision," attorney Tim Casey told Reuters.
"We do disagree with the findings and my clients do intend to appeal,
but at the same time ... we will work with the court and with the
opposing counsel to comply fully with the letter and the spirit of
this order," he added.
'ILLEGAL AND PLAIN UN-AMERICAN'
Cecillia Wang, director of the American Civil Liberties Union
Immigrants' Rights Project and plaintiffs' counsel, called the judge's
ruling "an important victory that will resound far beyond Maricopa
County."
"Singling people out for traffic stops and detentions simply because
they're Latino is illegal and just plain un-American," Wang said after
the ruling was made public.
"Let this be a warning to anyone who hides behind a badge to wage
their own private campaign against Latinos or immigrants that there is
no exception in the Constitution for violating people's rights in
immigration enforcement."
During testimony in the non-jury trial last year, Arpaio said he was
against racial profiling and denied his office arrested people because
of the color of their skin.
The sheriff, who won re-election to a sixth term in November, has been
a lightning rod for controversy over his aggressive enforcement of
immigration laws in the state, which borders Mexico, as well as an
investigation into the validity of President Barack Obama's U.S. birth
certificate.
The lawsuit was brought against Arpaio and his office on behalf of
five Hispanic drivers who said they had been stopped by deputies
because of their ethnicity.
The plaintiffs, which include the Somos America immigrants' rights
coalition and all Latino drivers stopped by the sheriff's office since
2007, were seeking corrective action but not monetary damages.
Arpaio has been the subject of other probes and lawsuits. In August,
the U.S. Attorney's Office in Arizona said it had closed a criminal
investigation into accusations of financial misconduct by Arpaio, and
it declined to bring charges.
A separate U.S. Justice Department investigation and lawsuit relating
to accusations of civil rights abuses by Arpaio's office is ongoing.
Arizona has been at the heart of a bitter national debate over
immigration since Republican Governor Jan Brewer signed a 2010
crackdown on illegal immigration.
The federal government challenged the crackdown in court and said the
U.S. Constitution gives it sole authority over immigration policy. The
U.S. Supreme Court, however, has allowed to stand the part of the law
permitting police to question people they stop about their immigration
status.
Snow scheduled a hearing in the case for June 14 at 9:30 a.m. at the
Sandra Day O'Connor U.S. Federal Courthouse in Phoenix.
(Reporting by Tim Gaynor and David Schwartz; Editing by Cynthia
Johnston, Eric Walsh, Toni Reinhold)
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David Hartung
May 25, 2013, 9:45:36 AM5/25/13
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On 05/25/2013 06:51 AM, Tom Sr. wrote:
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> http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/25/us-usa-arizona-sheriff-idUSBRE94N0Y320130525
>
> *Judge Rules Against 'America's Toughest Sheriff' in Racial Profiling
> Lawsuit*
> by Tim Gaynor and David Schwartz,
> Phoenix
> Fri., May 24, 201
>
> (Reuters) - Arizona lawman Joe Arpaio violated the constitutional
> rights of Latino drivers in his crackdown on illegal immigration, a
> federal judge found on Friday, and ordered him to stop using race as a
> factor in law enforcement decisions.
>
> The ruling against the Maricopa County sheriff came in response to a
> class-action lawsuit brought by Hispanic drivers that tested whether
> police can target illegal immigrants without racially profiling U.S.
> citizens and legal residents of Hispanic origin.
Let me see if I understand the facts.
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> http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/25/us-usa-arizona-sheriff-idUSBRE94N0Y320130525
>
> *Judge Rules Against 'America's Toughest Sheriff' in Racial Profiling
> Lawsuit*
> by Tim Gaynor and David Schwartz,
> Phoenix
> Fri., May 24, 201
>
> (Reuters) - Arizona lawman Joe Arpaio violated the constitutional
> rights of Latino drivers in his crackdown on illegal immigration, a
> federal judge found on Friday, and ordered him to stop using race as a
> factor in law enforcement decisions.
>
> The ruling against the Maricopa County sheriff came in response to a
> class-action lawsuit brought by Hispanic drivers that tested whether
> police can target illegal immigrants without racially profiling U.S.
> citizens and legal residents of Hispanic origin.
1. In the American Southwest, the largest population of illegal aliens
is of Hispanic origin.
2. Hispanic origin, and a lack of ability to speak English is not a
justifiable reason to verify immigration status.
Is the judge completely stupid?
Sid9
May 25, 2013, 10:02:36 AM5/25/13
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"David Hartung" <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote in message
news:T5idneRB19UXXT3M...@giganews.com...
David Hartung
May 25, 2013, 10:05:51 AM5/25/13
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blindly partisan, and completely devoid of any logic.
Ramon F. Herrera
May 25, 2013, 10:07:26 AM5/25/13
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On May 25, 8:45 am, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
> On 05/25/2013 06:51 AM, Tom Sr. wrote:
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> >http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/25/us-usa-arizona-sheriff-idUS...
> On 05/25/2013 06:51 AM, Tom Sr. wrote:
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> > *Judge Rules Against 'America's Toughest Sheriff' in Racial Profiling
> > Lawsuit*
> > by Tim Gaynor and David Schwartz,
> > Phoenix
> > Fri., May 24, 201
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> > (Reuters) - Arizona lawman Joe Arpaio violated the constitutional
> > rights of Latino drivers in his crackdown on illegal immigration, a
> > federal judge found on Friday, and ordered him to stop using race as a
> > factor in law enforcement decisions.
>
> > The ruling against the Maricopa County sheriff came in response to a
> > class-action lawsuit brought by Hispanic drivers that tested whether
> > police can target illegal immigrants without racially profiling U.S.
> > citizens and legal residents of Hispanic origin.
>
> Let me see if I understand the facts.
>
> 1. In the American Southwest, the largest population of illegal aliens
> is of Hispanic origin.
>
> 2. Hispanic origin, and a lack of ability to speak English is not a
> justifiable reason to verify immigration status.
>
> Is the judge completely stupid?
You are the one who needs to read the Constitution, Mr. Hartung. This
> > *Judge Rules Against 'America's Toughest Sheriff' in Racial Profiling
> > Lawsuit*
> > by Tim Gaynor and David Schwartz,
> > Phoenix
> > Fri., May 24, 201
>
> > (Reuters) - Arizona lawman Joe Arpaio violated the constitutional
> > rights of Latino drivers in his crackdown on illegal immigration, a
> > federal judge found on Friday, and ordered him to stop using race as a
> > factor in law enforcement decisions.
>
> > The ruling against the Maricopa County sheriff came in response to a
> > class-action lawsuit brought by Hispanic drivers that tested whether
> > police can target illegal immigrants without racially profiling U.S.
> > citizens and legal residents of Hispanic origin.
>
> Let me see if I understand the facts.
>
> 1. In the American Southwest, the largest population of illegal aliens
> is of Hispanic origin.
>
> 2. Hispanic origin, and a lack of ability to speak English is not a
> justifiable reason to verify immigration status.
>
> Is the judge completely stupid?
is what the US SC had to say about your opinion:
http://patriot.net/~ramon/misc/Swing-Vote.jpg
Let's say that there are 99 criminals and 1 innocent people in a room
and you are the police officer: YOU CANNOT fire a shotgun into that
room.
-Ramon
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How come all suggestions from the far rightie folks on immigration
(and other matters), begin by:
"Hey, let's wipe our rosy bottoms with the Constitution!!"
That's the one thing we newcomers do not understand about America: the
ones who profess to love the constitution (conservatives) are the ones
who attempt to violate it. I guess they cannot distinguish between
love and rape.
wy
May 25, 2013, 10:12:34 AM5/25/13
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On 25 May, 10:05, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
> On 05/25/2013 09:02 AM, Sid9 wrote:
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> >> On 05/25/2013 06:51 AM, Tom Sr. wrote:
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> >>>http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/25/us-usa-arizona-sheriff-idUS...
> On 05/25/2013 09:02 AM, Sid9 wrote:
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> > "David Hartung" <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote in message
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> >> On 05/25/2013 06:51 AM, Tom Sr. wrote:
> >>> ----------
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> >>> *Judge Rules Against 'America's Toughest Sheriff' in Racial Profiling
> >>> Lawsuit*
> >>> by Tim Gaynor and David Schwartz,
> >>> Phoenix
> >>> Fri., May 24, 201
>
> >>> (Reuters) - Arizona lawman Joe Arpaio violated the constitutional
> >>> rights of Latino drivers in his crackdown on illegal immigration, a
> >>> federal judge found on Friday, and ordered him to stop using race as a
> >>> factor in law enforcement decisions.
>
> >>> The ruling against the Maricopa County sheriff came in response to a
> >>> class-action lawsuit brought by Hispanic drivers that tested whether
> >>> police can target illegal immigrants without racially profiling U.S.
> >>> citizens and legal residents of Hispanic origin.
>
> >> Let me see if I understand the facts.
>
> >> 1. In the American Southwest, the largest population of illegal aliens
> >> is of Hispanic origin.
>
> >> 2. Hispanic origin, and a lack of ability to speak English is not a
> >> justifiable reason to verify immigration status.
>
> >> Is the judge completely stupid?
>
> > Correct, you do not understand and it is you who are completely stupid.
>
> Thank you for your consistency. I can always count on your reply to be
> blindly partisan, and completely devoid of any logic.
Meanwhile, Hartung proves he's all for racial profiling, which
> >>> *Judge Rules Against 'America's Toughest Sheriff' in Racial Profiling
> >>> Lawsuit*
> >>> by Tim Gaynor and David Schwartz,
> >>> Phoenix
> >>> Fri., May 24, 201
>
> >>> (Reuters) - Arizona lawman Joe Arpaio violated the constitutional
> >>> rights of Latino drivers in his crackdown on illegal immigration, a
> >>> federal judge found on Friday, and ordered him to stop using race as a
> >>> factor in law enforcement decisions.
>
> >>> The ruling against the Maricopa County sheriff came in response to a
> >>> class-action lawsuit brought by Hispanic drivers that tested whether
> >>> police can target illegal immigrants without racially profiling U.S.
> >>> citizens and legal residents of Hispanic origin.
>
> >> Let me see if I understand the facts.
>
> >> 1. In the American Southwest, the largest population of illegal aliens
> >> is of Hispanic origin.
>
> >> 2. Hispanic origin, and a lack of ability to speak English is not a
> >> justifiable reason to verify immigration status.
>
> >> Is the judge completely stupid?
>
> > Correct, you do not understand and it is you who are completely stupid.
>
> Thank you for your consistency. I can always count on your reply to be
> blindly partisan, and completely devoid of any logic.
effectively demonizes everyone of any profiled race, whether they're
innocent or not, and in the vast majority of cases they would be
innocent. Way to go, Hartung, you keep batting 1000.
Ramon F. Herrera
May 25, 2013, 10:22:54 AM5/25/13
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The Long, Lawless Ride of Sheriff Joe Arpaio
Locking up the innocent. Arresting his critics.
Racial profiling.
Meet America's meanest and most corrupt politician.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/the-long-lawless-ride-of-sheriff-joe-arpaio-20120802
http://goo.gl/fTZs7
-Ramon
David Hartung
May 25, 2013, 10:29:59 AM5/25/13
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into a crowded room?
Lee
May 25, 2013, 10:30:02 AM5/25/13
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not a state one. Since Sheriff Joe cannot
conduct immigration status hearings nor
can he deport anyone what is he doing?
Ramon F. Herrera
May 25, 2013, 10:35:50 AM5/25/13
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On May 25, 9:30 am, "Lee" <cleet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Immigration status is a federal matter,
> not a state one. Since Sheriff Joe cannot
> conduct immigration status hearings nor
> can he deport anyone what is he doing?
"Arpaio's Boys in Beige Say Sayonara to ICE Authority in Overly
> Immigration status is a federal matter,
> not a state one. Since Sheriff Joe cannot
> conduct immigration status hearings nor
> can he deport anyone what is he doing?
Dramatic Badge-Piling Ceremony"
http://tinyurl.com/8xfapln
http://tinyurl.com/6owr8jz
Letter from Morty:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/75878015/ICE-Letter-to-Maricopa-County-12-15-2011
-Ramon
wy
May 25, 2013, 10:36:00 AM5/25/13
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over anything. To him, everything is a state matter, regardless of
what the Constitution says. Otherwise, he wouldn't say the stupid
things he says about this.
Ramon F. Herrera
May 25, 2013, 10:44:30 AM5/25/13
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On May 25, 9:29 am, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
> How did we get from verifying immigration status to
> shooting a shotgun into a crowded room?
Let's say that you are an officer and have legal orders of shoot to
> How did we get from verifying immigration status to
> shooting a shotgun into a crowded room?
kill. If there are 100 criminals in the room, you are allowed to
shoot. Your problem is that extra little innocent guy.
I guess that if it were determined that EVERY person who speaks
Spanish is an illegal immigrant, then Mr. Arpaio would be allowed to
use profiling, for a simple reason: it would not be profiling anymore.
Profiling is based on use of statistics and percentages. Unless you
are backed by a 100% probability, you cannot use it.
-Ramon
Hell Stomper
May 25, 2013, 11:59:45 AM5/25/13
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David Hartung
May 25, 2013, 1:29:28 PM5/25/13
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wy
May 25, 2013, 1:36:07 PM5/25/13
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parameters of his duties. He's trying to play a federal cop when he's
only a local one.
Bob
May 25, 2013, 1:54:58 PM5/25/13
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Federal law enforcement be allowed to apprehend the robber?
Tom Sr.
May 25, 2013, 2:23:43 PM5/25/13
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http://www.azcentral.com/opinions/articles/20130524arpaios-fantasy-ends-here.html
*Opinions: Arpaio’s Fantasy Ends Here*
The Republic, azcentral.com
Fri., May 24, 2013
From the beginning, this racial-profiling case clearly had legs.
It was brought against Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio by people of
Hispanic ancestry with real-life stories to tell.
By Americans from Chicago. By Mexican citizens with a perfectly
legitimate right to be in the United States. By people of a darker hue
who suffered the indignity of seeing lighter-hued people in the same
car treated far, far more kindly by Arpaio’s deputies.
All of those plaintiffs, according to U.S. District Judge Murray Snow,
told the same story with clarity: They were targeted in the course of
sweeps by the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office solely because they
were Latino.
Snow ruled on Friday, nearly eight months after the seven-day trial,
that Arpaio’s department had engaged in forbidden racial profiling.
The case parallels the still-pending federal case against Arpaio
brought by the Justice Department’s Office of Civil Rights. But while
that case — led by President Obama’s nominee to head the U.S.
Department of Labor, Thomas Perez — appears to rest heavily on expert
testimony and statistical analysis, this case stands on evidence
closer to the ground.
That evidence included Sheriff Arpaio’s own words.
In addition to weighing the strong, personal stories related by the
plaintiffs, Judge Snow also considered Arpaio’s often intemperate
observations about his rationale for conducting so-called “crime
sweeps” in neighborhoods that just happened to be largely Hispanic.
Hubris and ego have long been hallmarks of America’s Toughest Sheriff.
His snarky, smirking, contempt-laden denials that his sweeps profiled
Hispanics always pushed the margins of believability. Now, a federal
judge has called him on it.
The ruling will be appealed. That was guaranteed, regardless of which
way the judge ruled. But Snow’s order that the Sheriff’s Office halt
its practice of using Hispanic ancestry as a reason for stopping
drivers is only the beginning. In addition to the Justice Department
case, Snow indicated that still more remedies may follow his
injunction against Arpaio’s practices.
The motivation behind Arpaio’s obnoxious sweeps can be traced to a
specific incident in 2005, which constituted a political epiphany for
the image-conscious sheriff. He saw the public reaction — outrage —
when a young veteran was arrested for holding a group of suspected
illegal aliens at gunpoint.
From that moment forward, he saw political gold in transforming
himself into America’s Toughest Immigration Warrior.
Judge Snow’s decision is evidence that Arpaio’s gold fantasy is
finally turning back into lead.
http://www.azcentral.com/opinions/articles/20130524arpaios-fantasy-ends-here.html
*Opinions: Arpaio’s Fantasy Ends Here*
The Republic, azcentral.com
Fri., May 24, 2013
From the beginning, this racial-profiling case clearly had legs.
It was brought against Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio by people of
Hispanic ancestry with real-life stories to tell.
By Americans from Chicago. By Mexican citizens with a perfectly
legitimate right to be in the United States. By people of a darker hue
who suffered the indignity of seeing lighter-hued people in the same
car treated far, far more kindly by Arpaio’s deputies.
All of those plaintiffs, according to U.S. District Judge Murray Snow,
told the same story with clarity: They were targeted in the course of
sweeps by the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office solely because they
were Latino.
Snow ruled on Friday, nearly eight months after the seven-day trial,
that Arpaio’s department had engaged in forbidden racial profiling.
The case parallels the still-pending federal case against Arpaio
brought by the Justice Department’s Office of Civil Rights. But while
that case — led by President Obama’s nominee to head the U.S.
Department of Labor, Thomas Perez — appears to rest heavily on expert
testimony and statistical analysis, this case stands on evidence
closer to the ground.
That evidence included Sheriff Arpaio’s own words.
In addition to weighing the strong, personal stories related by the
plaintiffs, Judge Snow also considered Arpaio’s often intemperate
observations about his rationale for conducting so-called “crime
sweeps” in neighborhoods that just happened to be largely Hispanic.
Hubris and ego have long been hallmarks of America’s Toughest Sheriff.
His snarky, smirking, contempt-laden denials that his sweeps profiled
Hispanics always pushed the margins of believability. Now, a federal
judge has called him on it.
The ruling will be appealed. That was guaranteed, regardless of which
way the judge ruled. But Snow’s order that the Sheriff’s Office halt
its practice of using Hispanic ancestry as a reason for stopping
drivers is only the beginning. In addition to the Justice Department
case, Snow indicated that still more remedies may follow his
injunction against Arpaio’s practices.
The motivation behind Arpaio’s obnoxious sweeps can be traced to a
specific incident in 2005, which constituted a political epiphany for
the image-conscious sheriff. He saw the public reaction — outrage —
when a young veteran was arrested for holding a group of suspected
illegal aliens at gunpoint.
From that moment forward, he saw political gold in transforming
himself into America’s Toughest Immigration Warrior.
Judge Snow’s decision is evidence that Arpaio’s gold fantasy is
finally turning back into lead.
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
May 25, 2013, 2:59:58 PM5/25/13
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On May 25, 8:45 am, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
> On 05/25/2013 06:51 AM, Tom Sr. wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > ----------
> >http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/25/us-usa-arizona-sheriff-idUS...
> On 05/25/2013 06:51 AM, Tom Sr. wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > ----------
>
> > *Judge Rules Against 'America's Toughest Sheriff' in Racial Profiling
> > Lawsuit*
> > by Tim Gaynor and David Schwartz,
> > Phoenix
> > Fri., May 24, 201
>
> > (Reuters) - Arizona lawman Joe Arpaio violated the constitutional
> > rights of Latino drivers in his crackdown on illegal immigration, a
> > federal judge found on Friday, and ordered him to stop using race as a
> > factor in law enforcement decisions.
>
> > The ruling against the Maricopa County sheriff came in response to a
> > class-action lawsuit brought by Hispanic drivers that tested whether
> > police can target illegal immigrants without racially profiling U.S.
> > citizens and legal residents of Hispanic origin.
>
> Let me see if I understand the facts.
>
> 1. In the American Southwest, the largest population of illegal aliens
> is of Hispanic origin.
>
> 2. Hispanic origin, and a lack of ability to speak English is not a
> justifiable reason to verify immigration status.
>
> Is the judge completely stupid?- Hide quoted text -
> > *Judge Rules Against 'America's Toughest Sheriff' in Racial Profiling
> > Lawsuit*
> > by Tim Gaynor and David Schwartz,
> > Phoenix
> > Fri., May 24, 201
>
> > (Reuters) - Arizona lawman Joe Arpaio violated the constitutional
> > rights of Latino drivers in his crackdown on illegal immigration, a
> > federal judge found on Friday, and ordered him to stop using race as a
> > factor in law enforcement decisions.
>
> > The ruling against the Maricopa County sheriff came in response to a
> > class-action lawsuit brought by Hispanic drivers that tested whether
> > police can target illegal immigrants without racially profiling U.S.
> > citizens and legal residents of Hispanic origin.
>
> Let me see if I understand the facts.
>
> 1. In the American Southwest, the largest population of illegal aliens
> is of Hispanic origin.
>
> 2. Hispanic origin, and a lack of ability to speak English is not a
> justifiable reason to verify immigration status.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Where do you live?
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
May 25, 2013, 3:01:33 PM5/25/13
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Trying to do what Obama refuses to do, protect Americans from becoming
> - Show quoted text -
victims of illegal beaner criminals.
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
May 25, 2013, 3:02:58 PM5/25/13
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Why won't Obama stick to his oath of office? Oh, I forgot. He needs a
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few million illegal beaners to vote Demorat so the 'Rat party can stay
in power indefinitely.
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
May 25, 2013, 3:03:29 PM5/25/13
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Espanuelo
May 25, 2013, 5:32:18 PM5/25/13
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deadrat
May 25, 2013, 5:37:03 PM5/25/13
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Vermont will issue an arrest warrant for the perp. The full faith and
credit clause of the Constitution requires other states to honor that
warrant.
So the answer to your question is no.
deadrat
May 25, 2013, 5:38:51 PM5/25/13
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than the WPE did in his two terms, 1/20/01 - 1/20/09.
Obama is in his second term as President, and you're still a loser.
Go figure.
deadrat
May 25, 2013, 5:40:12 PM5/25/13
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enough to call the Democratic Party names. Please also identify
yourself as a Republican.
Please.
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Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
May 25, 2013, 6:19:41 PM5/25/13
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BULLSHIT !!! PROVE IT !!
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Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
May 25, 2013, 6:20:39 PM5/25/13
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I identify myself as an American that happens to be a Conservative.
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Now, go ahead. Call me a racist and see if I care.
Bob
May 25, 2013, 7:26:48 PM5/25/13
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robbery a Federal Crime and offense. Bank as used in the section means
any member bank of the Federal Reserve System, and any bank, banking
association, trust company, savings bank, or other banking institution
organized or operating under the laws of the United States, including a
branch or agency of a foreign bank, and any institution the deposits of
which are insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation.
Care to try again?
deadrat
May 25, 2013, 7:33:40 PM5/25/13
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On 5/25/13 4:43 PM, AlleyCat wrote:
>
> On Sat, 25 May 2013 07:22:54 -0700 (PDT),Ramon F. Herrera says...
>
> Spying on the innocent.
Who?
> Arresting his critics.
Who?
> Racial profiling.
When?
> Meet America's meanest and most corrupt politician... OBAMA
Yeah, that SOB lied us into a war with the wrong country.
Oh, wait.
>
> On Sat, 25 May 2013 07:22:54 -0700 (PDT),Ramon F. Herrera says...
>
> Spying on the innocent.
Who?
> Arresting his critics.
Who?
> Racial profiling.
When?
> Meet America's meanest and most corrupt politician... OBAMA
Yeah, that SOB lied us into a war with the wrong country.
Oh, wait.
deadrat
May 25, 2013, 7:34:19 PM5/25/13
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Sancho Panza
May 25, 2013, 7:35:36 PM5/25/13
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functions.
deadrat
May 25, 2013, 7:36:15 PM5/25/13
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not for me to say since I can't really tell what's in your mind.
But please, please keep using ethnic slurs for Hispanics. And
"Conservative" isn't enough. Please, please identify yourself as a
Republican.
Please.
Bill Graham
May 25, 2013, 8:01:42 PM5/25/13
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Mustang, then the police may go to all the houses containing known felons
who are now driving white Mustangs. Is this "profiling"? - If so, then the
police profile all the time.... Its only common sense to look in the most
likely places first. The question is, when do they cross the line between
normal search procedures and racial profiling? This is not always easy to
determine. Lets say the bank robber was only five feet tall, and spoke with
a heavy latino accent. The omly person answering that description in town is
Pedro the carpenter., Are the police justified in asking him for his aliby,
even though he has never been accused of any crime before?
deadrat
May 25, 2013, 8:03:16 PM5/25/13
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but here goes:
<quote src="Vermont Statues" section="608" title=""Assault and robbery"
(a) A person who assaults another and robs, steals, or takes from his or
her person or in his or her presence money or other property which may
be the subject of larceny shall be imprisoned for not more than 10 years.
</quote>
You see, robbery is a state crime, and that includes robbing banks.
Most (if not all) banks are federally regulated, so the feds also have
jurisdiction over most (if not all) bank robberies, making this an area
of joint authority for both sovereigns.
I just love it when ignoramuses like you try so hard to be smart.
"Care to try again?" Bwahahahahahahahahaha!
Ashton Crusher
May 25, 2013, 10:23:43 PM5/25/13
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On Sat, 25 May 2013 08:45:36 -0500, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
wrote:
>On 05/25/2013 06:51 AM, Tom Sr. wrote:
>> ----------
>> http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/25/us-usa-arizona-sheriff-idUSBRE94N0Y320130525
>>
>> *Judge Rules Against 'America's Toughest Sheriff' in Racial Profiling
>> Lawsuit*
>> by Tim Gaynor and David Schwartz,
>> Phoenix
>> Fri., May 24, 201
>>
>> (Reuters) - Arizona lawman Joe Arpaio violated the constitutional
>> rights of Latino drivers in his crackdown on illegal immigration, a
>> federal judge found on Friday, and ordered him to stop using race as a
>> factor in law enforcement decisions.
>>
>> The ruling against the Maricopa County sheriff came in response to a
>> class-action lawsuit brought by Hispanic drivers that tested whether
>> police can target illegal immigrants without racially profiling U.S.
>> citizens and legal residents of Hispanic origin.
>
>Let me see if I understand the facts.
>
>1. In the American Southwest, the largest population of illegal aliens
>is of Hispanic origin.
>
>2. Hispanic origin, and a lack of ability to speak English is not a
>justifiable reason to verify immigration status.
>
>
>Is the judge completely stupid?
Yes, the judge is completely stupid. He seems to have no
understanding whatsoever of statistics.
wrote:
>On 05/25/2013 06:51 AM, Tom Sr. wrote:
>> ----------
>> http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/25/us-usa-arizona-sheriff-idUSBRE94N0Y320130525
>>
>> *Judge Rules Against 'America's Toughest Sheriff' in Racial Profiling
>> Lawsuit*
>> by Tim Gaynor and David Schwartz,
>> Phoenix
>> Fri., May 24, 201
>>
>> (Reuters) - Arizona lawman Joe Arpaio violated the constitutional
>> rights of Latino drivers in his crackdown on illegal immigration, a
>> federal judge found on Friday, and ordered him to stop using race as a
>> factor in law enforcement decisions.
>>
>> The ruling against the Maricopa County sheriff came in response to a
>> class-action lawsuit brought by Hispanic drivers that tested whether
>> police can target illegal immigrants without racially profiling U.S.
>> citizens and legal residents of Hispanic origin.
>
>Let me see if I understand the facts.
>
>1. In the American Southwest, the largest population of illegal aliens
>is of Hispanic origin.
>
>2. Hispanic origin, and a lack of ability to speak English is not a
>justifiable reason to verify immigration status.
>
>
Yes, the judge is completely stupid. He seems to have no
understanding whatsoever of statistics.
Ashton Crusher
May 25, 2013, 10:24:47 PM5/25/13
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On Sat, 25 May 2013 07:07:26 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>On May 25, 8:45�am, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
>> On 05/25/2013 06:51 AM, Tom Sr. wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > ----------
>> >http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/25/us-usa-arizona-sheriff-idUS...
>is what the US SC had to say about your opinion:
>
> http://patriot.net/~ramon/misc/Swing-Vote.jpg
>
>Let's say that there are 99 criminals and 1 innocent people in a room
>and you are the police officer: YOU CANNOT fire a shotgun into that
>room.
>
>-Ramon
>
>----------------------
You can always be counted on to say something stupid. You are still
batting 1000
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>On May 25, 8:45�am, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:
>> On 05/25/2013 06:51 AM, Tom Sr. wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > ----------
>>
>> > *Judge Rules Against 'America's Toughest Sheriff' in Racial Profiling
>> > Lawsuit*
>> > by Tim Gaynor and David Schwartz,
>> > Phoenix
>> > Fri., May 24, 201
>>
>> > (Reuters) - Arizona lawman Joe Arpaio violated the constitutional
>> > rights of Latino drivers in his crackdown on illegal immigration, a
>> > federal judge found on Friday, and ordered him to stop using race as a
>> > factor in law enforcement decisions.
>>
>> > The ruling against the Maricopa County sheriff came in response to a
>> > class-action lawsuit brought by Hispanic drivers that tested whether
>> > police can target illegal immigrants without racially profiling U.S.
>> > citizens and legal residents of Hispanic origin.
>>
>> Let me see if I understand the facts.
>>
>> 1. In the American Southwest, the largest population of illegal aliens
>> is of Hispanic origin.
>>
>> 2. Hispanic origin, and a lack of ability to speak English is not a
>> justifiable reason to verify immigration status.
>>
>
> > Is the judge completely stupid?
>
>You are the one who needs to read the Constitution, Mr. Hartung. This
>> > *Judge Rules Against 'America's Toughest Sheriff' in Racial Profiling
>> > Lawsuit*
>> > by Tim Gaynor and David Schwartz,
>> > Phoenix
>> > Fri., May 24, 201
>>
>> > (Reuters) - Arizona lawman Joe Arpaio violated the constitutional
>> > rights of Latino drivers in his crackdown on illegal immigration, a
>> > federal judge found on Friday, and ordered him to stop using race as a
>> > factor in law enforcement decisions.
>>
>> > The ruling against the Maricopa County sheriff came in response to a
>> > class-action lawsuit brought by Hispanic drivers that tested whether
>> > police can target illegal immigrants without racially profiling U.S.
>> > citizens and legal residents of Hispanic origin.
>>
>> Let me see if I understand the facts.
>>
>> 1. In the American Southwest, the largest population of illegal aliens
>> is of Hispanic origin.
>>
>> 2. Hispanic origin, and a lack of ability to speak English is not a
>> justifiable reason to verify immigration status.
>>
>
> > Is the judge completely stupid?
>
>is what the US SC had to say about your opinion:
>
> http://patriot.net/~ramon/misc/Swing-Vote.jpg
>
>Let's say that there are 99 criminals and 1 innocent people in a room
>and you are the police officer: YOU CANNOT fire a shotgun into that
>room.
>
>-Ramon
>
>----------------------
You can always be counted on to say something stupid. You are still
batting 1000
Ashton Crusher
May 25, 2013, 10:28:25 PM5/25/13
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Bill Graham
May 25, 2013, 10:46:07 PM5/25/13
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from the tyrrany of the majority. We do not live in a, "dempocracy where the
majority rules". We live in a constitutional republic where the rule of the
majority is subject to the restraints of the document known as the
constitution. This is the document that prevents the majority from voting to
take away all the money from the rich (for example) and distributing it to
the poor who are much more numerous and are the majority. Ramon is right.
Our constitution protects us from tromping on the majority simply because
they are statistically more likely to be illegals or whatever. Each
individual is entitled to his own constitutional rights, even if he exists
in a sea of illegals.
Ashton Crusher
May 25, 2013, 10:52:49 PM5/25/13
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know why anyone would want to identify with either party. All either
of them do it lie to you right to your face and then vote however the
special interest tell them to vote.
B. Abe Lyle
May 25, 2013, 11:08:21 PM5/25/13
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Real name Fwanklin. Fwanklin is a famous homo. Fwanklin's 15 seconds
of fame came at a Star Trek Convention when he embarrassed the
audience, embarrassed America, embarrassed humanity and embarrassed
Gene Roddenberry by asking why Star Trek didn't have any faggot
characters. Fwanklin, after many beatings, has become just another
cock-slapped usenet zoo monkey. Liars, once they have been exposed,
frequently revert to behavior most similar to a zoo monkey who sits in
the cage throwing feces at passersby but saying nothing of value.
Franklin Hummel - born May 1953
18 Linwood St, Unit 3
Boston, Massachusetts 02119-1543
(617) 541-3834
E-mail: hum...@world.std.com
Possible Fag Butt-Buddy: Arnold D Thomas (Age 52)
Franklin Hummel - Supervisor
Boston Public Library
700 Boylston Street
Boston, Massachusetts 02116
(617) 536-5400
(617) 536-3813 Fax
www.bpl.org
[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:54:44 -0700 (PDT), "Tom Sr."
<tomswif...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jul 28, 8:44 pm, Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Who, ya mean "there are 57 states" Obama-lama-ding-dong?
>The person who wrote "states" should have instead "state, territories,
>and region".
>There are 50 US states, and six US territories.
You've been CAUGHT LYING...
>Puerto Rico
>U.S. Virgin Islands
>American Samoa
>Guam
>Northern Mariana Islands
>Minor Outlying Islands (Wake Island and Johnston Island)
>And one US-administered region, Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, Guantanamo
>Bay, Cuba.
Dependent areas (Several islands in the Pacific Ocean and Caribbean
Sea are dependent territories of the United States):
1. American Samoa.
2. Baker Island.
3. Guam.
4. Howland Island.
5. Jarvis Island.
6. Johnston Atoll.
7. Kingman Reef.
8. Midway Islands.
9. Navassa Island.
10. Northern Mariana Islands.
11. Palmyra Atoll.
12. Puerto Rico.
13. U.S. Virgin Islands.
14. Wake Island.
http://www.knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/United_States/
See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territories_of_the_United_States
You're a LIAR.
UPDATE:
On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:00:56 -0700 (PDT), "Tom Sr."
>I left out those other areas you listed above, you fucking idiotic
>fool, because they are *uninhabited*! There is NO ONE on them to
>VOTE!
Liar:
Midway Islands are NOT uninhabited.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midway_Atoll
You've been CAUGHT LYING again.
You said "six US territories."
YOU LIED.
Posted on behalf of:
The DemocRATs Hall of Shame!
of fame came at a Star Trek Convention when he embarrassed the
audience, embarrassed America, embarrassed humanity and embarrassed
Gene Roddenberry by asking why Star Trek didn't have any faggot
characters. Fwanklin, after many beatings, has become just another
cock-slapped usenet zoo monkey. Liars, once they have been exposed,
frequently revert to behavior most similar to a zoo monkey who sits in
the cage throwing feces at passersby but saying nothing of value.
Franklin Hummel - born May 1953
18 Linwood St, Unit 3
Boston, Massachusetts 02119-1543
(617) 541-3834
E-mail: hum...@world.std.com
Possible Fag Butt-Buddy: Arnold D Thomas (Age 52)
Franklin Hummel - Supervisor
Boston Public Library
700 Boylston Street
Boston, Massachusetts 02116
(617) 536-5400
(617) 536-3813 Fax
www.bpl.org
[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:54:44 -0700 (PDT), "Tom Sr."
<tomswif...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jul 28, 8:44 pm, Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Who, ya mean "there are 57 states" Obama-lama-ding-dong?
>The person who wrote "states" should have instead "state, territories,
>and region".
>There are 50 US states, and six US territories.
You've been CAUGHT LYING...
>Puerto Rico
>U.S. Virgin Islands
>American Samoa
>Guam
>Northern Mariana Islands
>Minor Outlying Islands (Wake Island and Johnston Island)
>And one US-administered region, Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, Guantanamo
>Bay, Cuba.
Dependent areas (Several islands in the Pacific Ocean and Caribbean
Sea are dependent territories of the United States):
1. American Samoa.
2. Baker Island.
3. Guam.
4. Howland Island.
5. Jarvis Island.
6. Johnston Atoll.
7. Kingman Reef.
8. Midway Islands.
9. Navassa Island.
10. Northern Mariana Islands.
11. Palmyra Atoll.
12. Puerto Rico.
13. U.S. Virgin Islands.
14. Wake Island.
http://www.knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/United_States/
See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territories_of_the_United_States
You're a LIAR.
UPDATE:
On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:00:56 -0700 (PDT), "Tom Sr."
>I left out those other areas you listed above, you fucking idiotic
>fool, because they are *uninhabited*! There is NO ONE on them to
>VOTE!
Liar:
Midway Islands are NOT uninhabited.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midway_Atoll
You've been CAUGHT LYING again.
You said "six US territories."
YOU LIED.
Posted on behalf of:
The DemocRATs Hall of Shame!
Heather M. Gross
May 25, 2013, 11:08:31 PM5/25/13
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Sid is considered less of a liar and more of a senile idiot, possibly
an actual retard under medical supervision. Sid'sd lies are mostly
intended to get attention because he is a desperately lonely old fool
nearing the end of a generally failed life. Note that when you reply
to a Proven Liar you encourage them to continue lying.
[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 17:52:46 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net>
wrote:
>McCain got dumped from the Navy when they decided he was not qualified to be
>an Admiral.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
His chances of being promoted to rear admiral were better, but McCain
declined that prospect, as he had already made plans to run for
Congress.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain
an actual retard under medical supervision. Sid'sd lies are mostly
intended to get attention because he is a desperately lonely old fool
nearing the end of a generally failed life. Note that when you reply
to a Proven Liar you encourage them to continue lying.
[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 17:52:46 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net>
wrote:
>McCain got dumped from the Navy when they decided he was not qualified to be
>an Admiral.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
His chances of being promoted to rear admiral were better, but McCain
declined that prospect, as he had already made plans to run for
Congress.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain
Tameka Koenig
May 25, 2013, 11:08:42 PM5/25/13
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Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374
[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 02:05:55 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
<gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote:
>> Trump on Libya: Why won t we take over the oil?
>Germany loaned the rebels several million dollars, so Trump is
>suggesting that we steal the oil from Germany.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Germany announced Sunday it has agreed to lend 100 million euros
($144 million) to the rebels in Libya........"
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-07-24/world/libya.germany_1_rebel-council-libyan-rebels-zintan?_s=PM:WORLD
“We don’t need loans,” former Libyan Central Bank Governor Farhat
Bengdara, who broke with Qaddafi’s regime in February, said in an
interview in Dubai. “Libya has huge financial resources and oil
reserves.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-23/oil-rich-libyans-won-t-need-financial-aid-in-post-qaddafi-era.html
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374
[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
<gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote:
>> Trump on Libya: Why won t we take over the oil?
>Germany loaned the rebels several million dollars, so Trump is
>suggesting that we steal the oil from Germany.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Germany announced Sunday it has agreed to lend 100 million euros
($144 million) to the rebels in Libya........"
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-07-24/world/libya.germany_1_rebel-council-libyan-rebels-zintan?_s=PM:WORLD
“We don’t need loans,” former Libyan Central Bank Governor Farhat
Bengdara, who broke with Qaddafi’s regime in February, said in an
interview in Dubai. “Libya has huge financial resources and oil
reserves.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-23/oil-rich-libyans-won-t-need-financial-aid-in-post-qaddafi-era.html
Agustina Alexis Bridges
May 25, 2013, 11:08:53 PM5/25/13
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Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374
[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:06:39 -0700 (PDT), Cambridge Ray
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374
[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>Man, these babies seem to be made of the material used for motorcycle
>helmets...
They don't make motorcycle helmets from turd-colored crap..........
>http://tinyurl.com/4y6gy43
>Then again, it seems that the Hispanic Guardian Angels are working
>overtime.
God's Angels want turd-colored beaners to stay in their own
country........
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Baby thrown off multi-storey California parking garage dies
August 25, 2011
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/baby-thrown-off-multi-storey-california-parking-garage-dies/story-e6frfku0-1226121785501#ixzz1Vzt0Brwd
Kendall Horner
May 25, 2013, 11:09:06 PM5/25/13
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Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374
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On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:23:40 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374
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<gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote:
>Venezuela had been in the 2nd. spot, in the list of countries with the
>most oil reserves.
>Recently, they made some new calculations, and Venezuela is No. 1.
Liar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
6. Venezuela 98,590,000,000bbl 7.37% (world)
http://exploredia.com/oil-reserves-by-country-2011/
Kyung Kenyatta Macklin
May 25, 2013, 11:09:13 PM5/25/13
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Lee Curtis is mostly stupid, a proven liar and an ultra-left crackpot.
>Tracey12 wrote:
>> Americans are waking up to the realization that government is a major
>> treat to their liberties.
>> Full Story:
>> http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/americans-fear-government-more-than-terror/
> World Nut Daily.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Washington Post Poll
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_20130418.html
Fox News Poll: Boston Marathon Bombings
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2013/04/17/fox-news-poll-boston-marathon-bombings/
Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you encourage them to
continue lying.
continue lying.
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On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:56:25 -0500, "Lee" <clee...@gmail.com> wrote:
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"
[Courtesy of Buster Norris]
>Tracey12 wrote:
>> Americans are waking up to the realization that government is a major
>> treat to their liberties.
>> Full Story:
>> http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/americans-fear-government-more-than-terror/
> World Nut Daily.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Washington Post Poll
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_20130418.html
Fox News Poll: Boston Marathon Bombings
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2013/04/17/fox-news-poll-boston-marathon-bombings/
Lynette Melissa Sanderson
May 25, 2013, 11:09:59 PM5/25/13
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Real name Fwanklin. Fwanklin is a famous homo. Fwanklin's 15 seconds
of fame came at a Star Trek Convention when he embarrassed the
audience, embarrassed America, embarrassed humanity and embarrassed
Gene Roddenberry by asking why Star Trek didn't have any faggot
characters. Fwanklin, after many beatings, has become just another
cock-slapped usenet zoo monkey. Liars, once they have been exposed,
frequently revert to behavior most similar to a zoo monkey who sits in
the cage throwing feces at passersby but saying nothing of value.
Franklin Hummel - born May 1953
18 Linwood St, Unit 3
Boston, Massachusetts 02119-1543
(617) 541-3834
E-mail: hum...@world.std.com
Possible Fag Butt-Buddy: Arnold D Thomas (Age 52)
Franklin Hummel - Supervisor
Boston Public Library
700 Boylston Street
Boston, Massachusetts 02116
(617) 536-5400
(617) 536-3813 Fax
www.bpl.org
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of fame came at a Star Trek Convention when he embarrassed the
audience, embarrassed America, embarrassed humanity and embarrassed
Gene Roddenberry by asking why Star Trek didn't have any faggot
characters. Fwanklin, after many beatings, has become just another
cock-slapped usenet zoo monkey. Liars, once they have been exposed,
frequently revert to behavior most similar to a zoo monkey who sits in
the cage throwing feces at passersby but saying nothing of value.
Franklin Hummel - born May 1953
18 Linwood St, Unit 3
Boston, Massachusetts 02119-1543
(617) 541-3834
E-mail: hum...@world.std.com
Possible Fag Butt-Buddy: Arnold D Thomas (Age 52)
Franklin Hummel - Supervisor
Boston Public Library
700 Boylston Street
Boston, Massachusetts 02116
(617) 536-5400
(617) 536-3813 Fax
www.bpl.org
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On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 05:37:26 -0700 (PDT), "Tom Sr."
<tomswif...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Message-ID: <e4d0ffc2-1780-40bd...@d27g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
>Being HIV+ cannot be determined until about 6 months after a person
>has been infected.
Oops! Caught Lying:
"The window period is the time from infection until a test can detect
any change. The average window period with HIV-1 antibody tests is 22
days for subtype B. Antigen testing cuts the window period to
approximately 16 days and NAT (Nucleic Acid Testing) further reduces
this period to 12 days.
"The vast majority of people (99%) have detectable antibodies by three
months after HIV infection; a six-month window is extremely rare with
modern antibody testing."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV_test
Trevor Genaro Odell
May 25, 2013, 11:10:11 PM5/25/13
to
Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
encourage them to continue lying.
Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374
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13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374
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On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 21:47:34 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
<gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote:
>ps: The Bay of Pigs fiasco was a Nixon deal
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Bay of Pigs Invasion was an unsuccessful action by a CIA-trained
force of Cuban exiles to invade southern Cuba, with support and
encouragement from the US government, in an attempt to overthrow the
Cuban government of Fidel Castro. The invasion was launched in April
1961, less than three months after John F. Kennedy assumed the
presidency in the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion
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Bob
May 26, 2013, 7:57:25 AM5/26/13
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state law enforcement official to apprehend the criminal, right?
Naughtius
May 26, 2013, 9:58:52 AM5/26/13
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You DO REALIZE That *States* Are NOT PERMITTED TO LEGISLATE... That
*The Constitution* FORBIDS *The States* TO ENACT **ANY** "State Law"
That Suits & Serves The Current IGNORANT DESIRES Of Its Population Of
HOPELESS IGNORAMI; In CONTRAVENTION Of... WAAAAAIIIT FORRR Iiiiit...
**THE CONSTITUTION**? YOU Are NOT HOPELESSLY IGNORANT Of OUR
Constitution, Are You?
YOU Aren't BY ANY CHANCE a Manipulative, Prevaricating, HOPELESS
IGNORAMUS... And STUPID To Boot, Are You?
I Ask Because It's a TRADEMARK Of *IGNORANT STUPID FUCKS* To
IMAGINE That State & Federal SAPs Stand Around FLIPPING COINS To See
WHO Will Chase Down The Multi-Jurisdictional CRIMINAL, As THE PRETEXT
To "Bagger Logic-Friendly" Support Of Their CONFUSED Belief(s) On ANY
Particular Situation/Procedure/Fact Pattern, AD NAUSEAM...
Naughtius "DICKHEADS Or ASSHOLES?" Maximus
Lee
May 26, 2013, 10:51:05 AM5/26/13
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K Wills wrote:
> He is allowed to detain people for ICE. Of course, once he's told
> that ICE isn't interested in the person(s), he is supposed to let them
> go. This is the case with law enforcement all over the U.S.
And if ICE determines the prisoner is in
fact a legal resident, well, Sheriff Joe
doesn't mind locking up innocent people.
> that ICE isn't interested in the person(s), he is supposed to let them
> go. This is the case with law enforcement all over the U.S.
And if ICE determines the prisoner is in
fact a legal resident, well, Sheriff Joe
doesn't mind locking up innocent people.
Ramon F. Herrera
May 26, 2013, 11:37:40 AM5/26/13
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On May 26, 3:24 am, K Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [Sheriff Arpaio] is allowed to detain people for ICE.
No, he is not: not anymore.
> Of course, once he's told that ICE isn't interested in the
> person(s), he is supposed to let them go. This is the case
> with law enforcement all over the U.S.
Except with Maricopa County:
"Arpaio's Boys in Beige Say Sayonara to ICE Authority in Dramatic
Badge-Piling Ceremony"
http://tinyurl.com/8xfapln
http://tinyurl.com/6owr8jz
Letter from Morty:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/75878015/ICE-Letter-to-Maricopa-County-12-15-2011
-Ramon
No, he is not: not anymore.
> Of course, once he's told that ICE isn't interested in the
> person(s), he is supposed to let them go. This is the case
> with law enforcement all over the U.S.
"Arpaio's Boys in Beige Say Sayonara to ICE Authority in Dramatic
Badge-Piling Ceremony"
http://tinyurl.com/8xfapln
http://tinyurl.com/6owr8jz
Letter from Morty:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/75878015/ICE-Letter-to-Maricopa-County-12-15-2011
-Ramon
deadrat
May 26, 2013, 12:24:43 PM5/26/13
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Bob
May 26, 2013, 1:39:22 PM5/26/13
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apprehend the criminals?
Naughtius
May 26, 2013, 2:05:20 PM5/26/13
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Naughtius "I Yield The Floor To Dee-uh-DRAT" Maximus
deadrat
May 26, 2013, 4:34:04 PM5/26/13
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ignorance. I'm beginning to suspect the reason is that your ignorance
is willful. In case I'm wrong, I'll soldier on.
There are four relevant areas of the law here:
1. Some areas of the law are reserved for the feds. These areas are
directly reserved for the feds or prohibited to the states in the
Constitution (like coining money or conducting foreign policy), or they
have court-sanctioned connections to federal authority arising from the
Commerce Clause or the Necessary and Proper Clause or the like. States
may not pass laws in these areas. Your state may not issue its own
legal tender, and it may not make pacts with foreign governments. The
feds may invite states into these areas, but it's always at the
discretion of the feds to ask and for the states to accept. The feds
may not force states into these areas: your state officials may never
enforce federal law on their own and they may always decline to enforce
federal law if invited to do so.
2. Some areas of the law are reserved for the states. Either explicitly
in the Constitution (like conducting elections) or by default via the
10th Amendment (like issues of estates and trusts). Congress may not
pass laws in these areas. Congress may not pass a law mandating that
your state keep its polls open until 9pm on election day, nor may it set
your state's time limit on submitting a will for probate. The only
occasion the feds may get involved in such areas is when state laws
violate Constitutional rights. Thus in Bush v Gore, the Supreme Court
told Florida how to conduct its 2000 election because of equal
protection problems (wink, wink).
States may be bribed or extorted into making their laws conform with
federal wishes. (The long-gone 55mph speed limit was accomplished with
bribes from the Highway Trust Fund; the ACA threatens to withhold
Medicaid money from states who don't comply with it.)
3. Some areas of the law are shared. We've already discussed robbery.
Murder is another example. If you shoot and kill your neighbor in his
home, that's a state crime, and you cannot be tried in federal court for
the killing. But if your neighbor works for the post office and you
kill him while he's on the job, then that's also a federal crime, and
you can be tried both in state court for killing one of the state's
citizens and in federal court for killing a federal official during the
performance of his duties. In fact, for this single act, you may be
acquitted in one court and still be tried in the other without a
violation of your double jeopardy rights. Drug laws are another example
in the news. Thus in Colorado, it's no longer a state crime to possess
marijuana, but it's still a federal crime.
4. Some areas of the law are pre-emptible. That means that states may
pass laws in these areas absent federal legislation, but once the feds
step in, the federal law supersedes state law. One such example is
ERISA, the federal law that regulates employer retirement and benefit
plans. Many states once regulated these plans, but once ERISA became
law, it replaced those state laws, the Department of Labor replaced
state agencies as the enforcer of regulations, and disputes about the
plans were removed from state court to federal court.
Per the United States Supreme Court decision of a year ago in Arizona v
US, immigration law is the province of the feds. States may neither
criminalize violations of federal immigration law nor pass their own
laws regulating immigration.
So here finally is the answer your question. States may not make
illegal immigration a crime, and they may not enforce immigration laws
except with the permission and oversight of the feds. When they arrest
someone for a state crime and they find out he's illegal, the most they
can do is inform ICE and hold the arrested if the feds want him.
Clear now?
deadrat
May 26, 2013, 4:35:46 PM5/26/13
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have no effect because it's impossible to use rational means to move
someone from a position he didn't reach by rational means.
But I had fun writing it, and that's what counts.
Sancho Panza
May 26, 2013, 5:23:17 PM5/26/13
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On 5/26/2013 4:34 PM, deadrat wrote:
> Per the United States Supreme Court decision of a year ago in Arizona v
> US, immigration law is the province of the feds. States may neither
> criminalize violations of federal immigration law nor pass their own
> laws regulating immigration.
>
> So here finally is the answer your question. States may not make
> illegal immigration a crime, and they may not enforce immigration laws
> except with the permission and oversight of the feds. When they arrest
> someone for a state crime and they find out he's illegal, the most they
> can do is inform ICE and hold the arrested if the feds want him.
>
> Clear now?
>
The Supreme Court decision was not quite as clear and blanketly applied
> Per the United States Supreme Court decision of a year ago in Arizona v
> US, immigration law is the province of the feds. States may neither
> criminalize violations of federal immigration law nor pass their own
> laws regulating immigration.
>
> So here finally is the answer your question. States may not make
> illegal immigration a crime, and they may not enforce immigration laws
> except with the permission and oversight of the feds. When they arrest
> someone for a state crime and they find out he's illegal, the most they
> can do is inform ICE and hold the arrested if the feds want him.
>
> Clear now?
>
to SB 1070 as the otherwise lucid explanation might lead one to believe:
"The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that one key part of the Arizona
immigration law, known as Senate Bill 1070, is constitutional, paving
the way for it to go into effect. Three other portions were deemed
unconstitutional in a 5-3 opinion.
The part ruled constitutional is among the most controversial of the
law's provisions. It requires an officer to make a reasonable attempt to
determine the immigration status of a person stopped, detained or
arrested if there's reasonable suspicion that person is in the country
illegally."
--http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/2012/06/03/20120603arizona-immigration-law-supreme-court-opinion.html
Bill Graham
May 26, 2013, 6:54:26 PM5/26/13
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rock and a hard place. What can a state do if aqll the criminals in the
whole country decide to travel there and make it their place of residence?
Apparently, nothing. They will just have to put up with it, even if it
causes them to go into bankrupsy. They cannot depend on the federal
government to give them any help. In the case of Arizona, these people are
causing them aq bundle of money. But the law they are breaking is federal,
and the state can't prosecute it. Something needs to be changed somewhere in
order to fix this problem.
deadrat
May 26, 2013, 7:20:24 PM5/26/13
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in its entirety. And whatever "blanketly" means. The decision left
untouched those portions of the law that applied to actions in the
state's sphere of operation, for instance the draconian provisions
against employers in the state who employ illegal aliens. Regulating
in-state business operations is clearly within the purview of the state.
The "controversial" provision that mandates an LEO to attempt to
determine the immigration status of a detainee was left standing because
there's no Constitutional prohibition against a cop asking questions of
someone who doesn't have to answer them. I think the provision is a lot
less controversial now that the state may impose no meaningful
consequences to the answers.
Ramon F. Herrera
May 26, 2013, 8:51:03 PM5/26/13
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On May 26, 6:20 pm, deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
> On 5/26/13 4:23 PM, Sancho Panza wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 5/26/2013 4:34 PM, deadrat wrote:
> >> Per the United States Supreme Court decision of a year ago in Arizona v
> >> US, immigration law is the province of the feds. States may neither
> >> criminalize violations of federal immigration law nor pass their own
> >> laws regulating immigration.
>
> >> So here finally is the answer your question. States may not make
> >> illegal immigration a crime, and they may not enforce immigration laws
> >> except with the permission and oversight of the feds. When they arrest
> >> someone for a state crime and they find out he's illegal, the most they
> >> can do is inform ICE and hold the arrested if the feds want him.
>
> >> Clear now?
>
> > The Supreme Court decision was not quite as clear and blanketly applied
> > to SB 1070 as the otherwise lucid explanation might lead one to believe:
>
> > "The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that one key part of the Arizona
> > immigration law, known as Senate Bill 1070, is constitutional, paving
> > the way for it to go into effect. Three other portions were deemed
> > unconstitutional in a 5-3 opinion.
> > The part ruled constitutional is among the most controversial of the
> > law's provisions. It requires an officer to make a reasonable attempt to
> > determine the immigration status of a person stopped, detained or
> > arrested if there's reasonable suspicion that person is in the country
> > illegally."
> > --http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/2012/06/03/20120603ar...
> On 5/26/13 4:23 PM, Sancho Panza wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 5/26/2013 4:34 PM, deadrat wrote:
> >> Per the United States Supreme Court decision of a year ago in Arizona v
> >> US, immigration law is the province of the feds. States may neither
> >> criminalize violations of federal immigration law nor pass their own
> >> laws regulating immigration.
>
> >> So here finally is the answer your question. States may not make
> >> illegal immigration a crime, and they may not enforce immigration laws
> >> except with the permission and oversight of the feds. When they arrest
> >> someone for a state crime and they find out he's illegal, the most they
> >> can do is inform ICE and hold the arrested if the feds want him.
>
> >> Clear now?
>
> > The Supreme Court decision was not quite as clear and blanketly applied
> > to SB 1070 as the otherwise lucid explanation might lead one to believe:
>
> > "The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that one key part of the Arizona
> > immigration law, known as Senate Bill 1070, is constitutional, paving
> > the way for it to go into effect. Three other portions were deemed
> > unconstitutional in a 5-3 opinion.
> > The part ruled constitutional is among the most controversial of the
> > law's provisions. It requires an officer to make a reasonable attempt to
> > determine the immigration status of a person stopped, detained or
> > arrested if there's reasonable suspicion that person is in the country
> > illegally."
>
[ Moribund Muridae wrote:]
> I'm sorry if I led you to believe that Arizona v US invalidated
> SB1070 in its entirety. And whatever "blanketly" means. The
decision
> left untouched those portions of the law that applied to actions in
> the state's sphere of operation, for instance the draconian
> provisions against employers in the state who employ illegal
aliens.
My esteemed Deceased Rodent (due respect): I am afraid that you are
> SB1070 in its entirety. And whatever "blanketly" means. The
decision
> left untouched those portions of the law that applied to actions in
> the state's sphere of operation, for instance the draconian
> provisions against employers in the state who employ illegal
aliens.
wrong. The "portions" you mention (the "draconian provisions" against
businesses) were never part of AZ SB-1070 or therefore, of US v. AZ.
The only aspect before the Supremes was the Supremacy Clause. Roberts
underscored that in the hearing (*).
The states ability to punish business is the ONE and ONLY clear
victory of the otherwise losers, but that was a different legislation
and a different USSC ruling months earlier. A co-plaintiff in the case
was the US Chamber of Commerce.
De nada,
-Ramon
(*) The DOJ sued based on Supremacy Clause only, but "we reserve our
right to sue later based on violations of Civil Rights". They never
did this: they figured that AZ has been kicked in the teeth hard
enough.
--------------------------
The good people won 3 1/2 out of 4 (don't believe me? Check what
Justice Kennedy wrote).
"Struck down were provisions that:
• Authorize police to arrest without a warrant anyone "the officer
has probable cause to believe . . . has committed any public offense
that makes the person removable from the United States."
• Making it a state crime for an undocumented _person_ to seek or
engage in work.
• Making it a state crime to fail to comply with federal alien-
registration requirements.
http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/062512_sb1070_scotus/supreme-court-strikes-down-most-sb-1070-provisions/
Shon Matlock
May 26, 2013, 8:54:35 PM5/26/13
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Lee Curtis is mostly stupid, a proven liar and an ultra-left crackpot.
Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you encourage them to
continue lying.
continue lying.
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>> On May 13, 3:27 pm, What DID a Frothy Mixture of Shit do to be
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"
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>> associated with Santorum ? <als...@kas.com> wrote:
>> You hare a right to be paranoid. We are going to stop many abortions
>> in America by simply making it so hard to avoid suits, doctors won't
>> bother becoming murderous abortionists.
> So much for your committment to freedom.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Freedom" does not include the freedom to murder...............
Dino Sheets
May 26, 2013, 9:00:16 PM5/26/13
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Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
encourage them to continue lying.
Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374
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13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:21:57 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
<gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote:
>On Oct 28, 12:14 am, "Death Penalty For Gays" <los...@democrats.org>
>wrote:
>> Herman Cain said last night that homosexuality is 'a sin' and 'a
>> personal choice', placing himself in the super conservative camp
>> for religious voters.
>> In a move that likely alienated independent voters, stressed his
>> biblical reasoning.
>> 'I think it's a sin because of my biblical beliefs and, although
>> people don't agree with me, I happen to think that it is a
>> personal choice,' he said in an hour-long interview with CNN's
>> Piers Morgan.
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2051647/Herman-Cain-says-
>> homosexuality-choice-sin-unnatural.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
>Since Mr. Cain did not produce any scientific or academic evidence, he
>his statement is based on personal experience.
Oops! Caught lying...
Cain CLEARLY stated it is based on his "biblical beliefs" AND personal
opinion...
deadrat
May 26, 2013, 9:14:51 PM5/26/13
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ruling in Chamber of Commerce v Whiting. The provisions of SB1070 that
were declared unconstitutional required immigrants to carry registration
papers, made any undocumented person liable for arrest in that state,
and made it illegal for undocumented people to seek or hold jobs in AZ.
> The only aspect before the Supremes was the Supremacy Clause. Roberts
> underscored that in the hearing (*).
>
> The states ability to punish business is the ONE and ONLY clear
> victory of the otherwise losers, but that was a different legislation
> and a different USSC ruling months earlier. A co-plaintiff in the case
> was the US Chamber of Commerce.
>
> De nada,
>
> -Ramon
>
> (*) The DOJ sued based on Supremacy Clause only, but "we reserve our
> right to sue later based on violations of Civil Rights". They never
> did this: they figured that AZ has been kicked in the teeth hard
> enough.
Although the law and the politics stank, the issue, as they say, wasn't
> -Ramon
>
> (*) The DOJ sued based on Supremacy Clause only, but "we reserve our
> right to sue later based on violations of Civil Rights". They never
> did this: they figured that AZ has been kicked in the teeth hard
> enough.
ripe. Lower court rulings had put the law's enforcement on hold, so
nobody's civil rights had yet been violated.
>
> --------------------------
>
> The good people won 3 1/2 out of 4 (don't believe me? Check what
> Justice Kennedy wrote).
>
> "Struck down were provisions that:
>
> • Authorize police to arrest without a warrant anyone "the officer
> has probable cause to believe . . . has committed any public offense
> that makes the person removable from the United States."
>
> • Making it a state crime for an undocumented _person_ to seek or
> engage in work.
>
> • Making it a state crime to fail to comply with federal alien-
> registration requirements.
>
> http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/062512_sb1070_scotus/supreme-court-strikes-down-most-sb-1070-provisions/
>
The xenophobes claimed to be happy that the cops could still ask about
> --------------------------
>
> The good people won 3 1/2 out of 4 (don't believe me? Check what
> Justice Kennedy wrote).
>
> "Struck down were provisions that:
>
> • Authorize police to arrest without a warrant anyone "the officer
> has probable cause to believe . . . has committed any public offense
> that makes the person removable from the United States."
>
> • Making it a state crime for an undocumented _person_ to seek or
> engage in work.
>
> • Making it a state crime to fail to comply with federal alien-
> registration requirements.
>
> http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/062512_sb1070_scotus/supreme-court-strikes-down-most-sb-1070-provisions/
>
immigration status, but without the enforcement provisions, that turns
out to be a big nothing.
Ramon F. Herrera
May 26, 2013, 9:25:18 PM5/26/13
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On May 26, 6:20 pm, Moribund Muridae wrote:
> I'm sorry if I led you to believe that Arizona v US invalidated
> SB1070 in its entirety. And whatever "blanketly" means. The
> decision left untouched those portions of the law that applied
> to actions in the state's sphere of operation, for instance the
> draconian provisions against employers in the state who employ
> illegal aliens. Regulating in-state business operations is
> clearly within the purview of the state.
they lost. You are referring to a 2007 AZ legislation, while the hot
stuff was SB-1070 (2010).
http://patriot.net/~ramon/misc/Swing-Vote.jpg (AZ SB-1070)
De nada,
-Ramon
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http://www.aclu.org/immigrants-rights/supreme-court-agrees-review-arizona-employer-sanctions-law-aclu-case
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/border/justices-ok-arizona-s-employer-sanctions/article_1a4776cc-27ac-5dd3-880f-717daa6c69b4.html
Short URLS:
http://goo.gl/9Qqbt
http://goo.gl/aWGaH
Ramon F. Herrera
May 26, 2013, 9:28:10 PM5/26/13
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[ Moribund Muridae wrote:]
> I stand corrected.
Oh my gawd!!! The Seventh Sign of the Apocalypse!!
Repent, people, repent!!!
-Ramon The Unrepentant
Ramon F. Herrera
May 26, 2013, 9:32:35 PM5/26/13
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>
> The xenophobes claimed to be happy that the cops
> could still ask about immigration status
O-N-L-Y DURING the investigation of some OTHER offense: speeding,
> The xenophobes claimed to be happy that the cops
> could still ask about immigration status
broken taillight, DUI, etc.
-Ramon
N S. Bain
May 26, 2013, 9:43:01 PM5/26/13
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Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374
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beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374
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On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 18:38:21 -0800 (PST), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<conco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>So much for Fair and Balanced...
>http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-sheriff-babeu-20120219,0,182908.story
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Scandal Rocks Pinal County Sheriff's Election Campaign
Updated: Saturday, 18 Feb 2012, 2:48 PM MST
Published : Friday, 17 Feb 2012, 9:04 PM MST
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/elections/scandal-rocks-pinal-county-sheriff-2-17-2012
O. Deloris Hadley
May 26, 2013, 9:43:19 PM5/26/13
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Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374
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beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374
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<gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote:
>The Nazis gave order to treat all visitors very well.
>Black American athletes: "We were treated better than in many places
>back home in the US".
LiAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No results found for "We were treated better than in many places back
home in the US".
https://encrypted.google.com/
Emma Loveless
May 26, 2013, 9:43:30 PM5/26/13
to
Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374
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On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 14:52:28 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374
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<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>On Mar 25, 4:44 pm, "libs.exploit.death"
><l...@political.necrophiliacs.org> wrote:
> > The police believe the witness, so deal with it!
>The Police Chief was FIRED.
“it is apparent that my involvement is overshadowing the process.
Therefore I have come to the decision that I must temporarily remove
myself from the position as the police chief of the city of Sanford.”
>The State Attorney was FIRED.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On Thursday, Seminole County State Attorney Norman R. Wolfinger
recused himself from the case, sending a letter to Scott requesting
that another prosecutor be assigned.
http://www.sunshineslate.com/2012/03/24/trayvon-martin-state-attorney-steps-aside-chief-steps-down/
Mckinley Mcalister
May 26, 2013, 9:43:41 PM5/26/13
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Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:07:23 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374
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<gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote:
>NB1: Which is the only state that has 4 asses and 4 pees?
>NB2: In Spanish, Misipipi ("Me hice pipí") means: "I peed myself".
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Me hice" = "I did"
"Me pipí" = "I piss"
"Me hice pipí" = "I peed"
"yo mismo" = "myself"
http://translate.google.com/#auto|es|drinks%20pee
What does "Ramon bebidas de pis" translate to??????????????
deadrat
May 26, 2013, 9:47:39 PM5/26/13
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1967. Last week in May.
I think it was a Tuesday.
Ramon F. Herrera
May 26, 2013, 9:51:07 PM5/26/13
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wrong".
But, upon close examination, it turned out that I was right all along,
so I was wrong that one time. :^D
-Ramon
deadrat
May 26, 2013, 9:51:21 PM5/26/13
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DURING the investigation of some OTHER offense.
The other odious part of the law was that it allowed suits by anyone who
didn't find sufficient zeal for deporting brown people in the officials
responsible for the arrests.
Ramon F. Herrera
May 26, 2013, 10:02:34 PM5/26/13
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How about suing the IRS because they don't apply 3rd-degree audits to
the neighbor that I despise?
-Ramon
---------------------
Let's take a look at some of the entities that rejected the attempted
(rejected by all Federal Courts that have seen it, up to the SCOTUS)
legislation, AZ SB-1070 and consider it racist and unconstitutional.
- The City of Phoenix
- The City of Flagstaff (by unanimity)
- The City of Tucson
- The Arizona Association of Police Chiefs (minus Sheriff Joe, duh!)
- Meghan McCain
- The Presbyterian Church
According to Mr. Romney, Arizona should be "The Role Model" for the
country.
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Bob
May 27, 2013, 7:08:25 AM5/27/13
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Washington (CNN) -- The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday struck down key
parts of an Arizona law that sought to deter illegal immigration, but
let stand a controversial provision allowing police to check a person's
immigration status while enforcing other laws.
Lee
May 27, 2013, 11:24:02 AM5/27/13
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K Wills wrote:
> On Sun, 26 May 2013 09:51:05 -0500, "Lee" <clee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
> > fact a legal resident, well, Sheriff Joe
> > doesn't mind locking up innocent people.
>
> If the person is facing other charges, the person can be detained
> for that/them.
In that case nationality is irrelevant.
So why is Sheriff Joe locking people over
immigration issues he has no jurisdiction of?
> On Sun, 26 May 2013 09:51:05 -0500, "Lee" <clee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >> > Immigration status is a federal matter,
> >> > not a state one. Since Sheriff Joe cannot
> >> > conduct immigration status hearings nor
> >> > can he deport anyone what is he doing?
> >>
> >> He is allowed to detain people for ICE. Of course, once he's
> >> > Immigration status is a federal matter,
> >> > not a state one. Since Sheriff Joe cannot
> >> > conduct immigration status hearings nor
> >> > can he deport anyone what is he doing?
> >>
> told >> that ICE isn't interested in the person(s), he is supposed to
> let them >> go. This is the case with law enforcement all over the
> U.S.
> >
> > And if ICE determines the prisoner is in
> let them >> go. This is the case with law enforcement all over the
> U.S.
> >
> > fact a legal resident, well, Sheriff Joe
> > doesn't mind locking up innocent people.
>
> If the person is facing other charges, the person can be detained
> for that/them.
In that case nationality is irrelevant.
So why is Sheriff Joe locking people over
immigration issues he has no jurisdiction of?
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Ramon F. Herrera
May 27, 2013, 11:57:01 AM5/27/13
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> immigration issues he has no jurisdiction on?
Because in some cases, with legislation being complex, he can score a
goal.
Let's see some historic analogies:
(1) It is a recorded, verifiable fact that the Confederate States of
America spent a LOT MORE EFFORT towards the cause of White Supremacy
than to get independence. 100 years after the Civil War (and today)
they were still at it, led by their General/President Jim Crow.
(2) In the last year/months of WWII, the Nazis knew that their war
was most likely lost. Despite the fact that troops and resources
(gasoline, for instance, was VERY scarce) were badly needed in the
front (Battle of the Bulge and elsewhere), the highest priority was
assigned to the concentration camps. IOW: "Even if we lose, we must
kill as many Jews as possible".
In the 3 cases, hatred is a very powerful motivator.
De nada,
-Ramon
ps: Here's a bonus, up-to-date example:
GOP, don't alienate Latino voters - Frog - Scorpion - It is in my
nature
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/23/opinion/navarrette-gop-debate
Because in some cases, with legislation being complex, he can score a
goal.
Let's see some historic analogies:
(1) It is a recorded, verifiable fact that the Confederate States of
America spent a LOT MORE EFFORT towards the cause of White Supremacy
than to get independence. 100 years after the Civil War (and today)
they were still at it, led by their General/President Jim Crow.
(2) In the last year/months of WWII, the Nazis knew that their war
was most likely lost. Despite the fact that troops and resources
(gasoline, for instance, was VERY scarce) were badly needed in the
front (Battle of the Bulge and elsewhere), the highest priority was
assigned to the concentration camps. IOW: "Even if we lose, we must
kill as many Jews as possible".
In the 3 cases, hatred is a very powerful motivator.
De nada,
-Ramon
ps: Here's a bonus, up-to-date example:
GOP, don't alienate Latino voters - Frog - Scorpion - It is in my
nature
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/23/opinion/navarrette-gop-debate
deadrat
May 27, 2013, 12:55:52 PM5/27/13
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Is this another one of your trick questions where you think you've got
me cornered in some error until the trapdoor of your ignorance opens
beneath you?
'Cause I love those. They're adorable!
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May 27, 2013, 10:07:16 PM5/27/13
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Lee Curtis is mostly stupid, a proven liar and an ultra-left crackpot.
Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you encourage them to
continue lying.
continue lying.
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>Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E wrote:
>> Hows that hopey/changey thang workin' fer ya' homey??
> Great! Stock market is surging, home sales
>are up, it's Morning In America!
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Total existing-home sales... declined 0.6 percent...
April 22, 2013
http://www.realtor.org/news-releases/2013/04/march-existing-home-sales-slip-due-to-limited-inventory-prices-maintain-uptrend
Dane H Petrie
May 27, 2013, 10:13:41 PM5/27/13
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beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
encourage them to continue lying.
Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374
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<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>Let us not forget that the owner of ABC is the same owner of Disney:
>Laurene Powell Jobs.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ABC is owned by The Walt Disney Company and is part of Disney-ABC
Television Group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Broadcasting_Company
Disney-ABC Television Group owned by The Walt Disney Company
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disney-ABC_Television_Group
The Walt Disney Company is NOT privately owned.
Robert A. "Bob" Iger (born February 10, 1951) is an American
businessman and the current chairman and chief executive of The Walt
Disney Company.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Walt_Disney_Company
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Iger
>-Ramon The Faggot Beaner
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
F Prosser
May 27, 2013, 10:13:50 PM5/27/13
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Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374
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beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.
Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374
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<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>Re: The conservative's worst nightmare is about to become true:
>the takeover of the GOP by the Mexican-Cuban-Mormon cartel
>Marco was a very enthusiastic Mormon, and huge fan of the Osmonds.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sen. Marco Rubio was baptized as a Mormon at age 8, when his family
lived in Las Vegas. A few years later, he converted to Catholicism.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/02/23/2657517/sen-rubios-mormon-past-comes-to.html
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May 28, 2013, 1:01:10 AM5/28/13
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Yoorghis: Real name Gary Richard Roselles. Before he was exposed he
changed his name every few days or weeks mainly because he's a
sociopathic coward, a pussy, and above all else a LIAR and a
time-waster. Gary is another example of a Complete Loser: He is
festering away in a one-bedroom apartment on Medicaid and Social
Security having wasted his entire life... (And he never served in the
US military...)
Gary uses "X-No-Archive: yes" in his message Header to force
server-side deletion of ALL of his posts and this is usually the only
way to detect his presence (unless you detect the strong odor of
shit).
Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you encourage them to
continue lying.
Gary Richard Roselles (DoB: 11/1942)
(Diane M Roselles)
4215 Cedar Ridge Pl, Apt 42
Rapid City, SD 57702-3190
(605) 341-2445
Gary's real Email: rose...@yahoo.com
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:26:42 -0700, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>47 straight months of recovery WITHOUT a single republical
>help.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Series Id: LNS14000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Unemployment Rate
Labor force status: Unemployment rate
Type of data: Percent or rate
Age: 16 years and over
Year, Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec,
Annual,
2009, 7.8, 8.3, 8.7, 9.0, 9.4, 9.5, 9.5, 9.6, 9.8, 10.0, 9.9, 9.9,
2010, 9.8, 9.8, 9.9, 9.9, 9.6, 9.4, 9.5, 9.5, 9.5, 9.5, 9.8, 9.3,
2011, 9.1, 9.0, 8.9, 9.0, 9.0, 9.1, 9.0, 9.0, 9.0, 8.9, 8.6, 8.5,
2012, 8.3, 8.3, 8.2, 8.1, 8.2, 8.2, 8.2, 8.1, 7.8, 7.9, 7.8, 7.8,
http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet
changed his name every few days or weeks mainly because he's a
sociopathic coward, a pussy, and above all else a LIAR and a
time-waster. Gary is another example of a Complete Loser: He is
festering away in a one-bedroom apartment on Medicaid and Social
Security having wasted his entire life... (And he never served in the
US military...)
Gary uses "X-No-Archive: yes" in his message Header to force
server-side deletion of ALL of his posts and this is usually the only
way to detect his presence (unless you detect the strong odor of
shit).
Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you encourage them to
continue lying.
(Diane M Roselles)
4215 Cedar Ridge Pl, Apt 42
Rapid City, SD 57702-3190
(605) 341-2445
Gary's real Email: rose...@yahoo.com
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>47 straight months of recovery WITHOUT a single republical
>help.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Series Id: LNS14000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Unemployment Rate
Labor force status: Unemployment rate
Type of data: Percent or rate
Age: 16 years and over
Year, Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec,
Annual,
2009, 7.8, 8.3, 8.7, 9.0, 9.4, 9.5, 9.5, 9.6, 9.8, 10.0, 9.9, 9.9,
2010, 9.8, 9.8, 9.9, 9.9, 9.6, 9.4, 9.5, 9.5, 9.5, 9.5, 9.8, 9.3,
2011, 9.1, 9.0, 8.9, 9.0, 9.0, 9.1, 9.0, 9.0, 9.0, 8.9, 8.6, 8.5,
2012, 8.3, 8.3, 8.2, 8.1, 8.2, 8.2, 8.2, 8.1, 7.8, 7.9, 7.8, 7.8,
http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet
Lee
May 28, 2013, 6:34:42 PM5/28/13
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conduct immigration hearings, determine nationality,
or deport anyone.
Lon K. Hubert
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It is the foreigner who have to demonstrate that he has residency,
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Lee
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:21:44 -0500, "Lee Curtis" <clee...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> It is almost like deficits don't matter.
>"Deficits don't matter"
>Dick Cheney, Jan 11, 2004
>http://tinyurl.com/yq8pnn
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheney never said it............
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On Wed, 29 May 2013 21:34:31 -0500, "Lee" <clee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Espanuelo wrote:
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>> It is the foreigner that have to demonstrate that he is a foreigner.
>> It is the foreigner who have to demonstrate that he has residency,
>> visa, work permit.
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> Not to a county sheriff he doesn't.
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LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheriffs_in_the_United_States
>Espanuelo wrote:
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>> It is the foreigner that have to demonstrate that he is a foreigner.
>> It is the foreigner who have to demonstrate that he has residency,
>> visa, work permit.
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>
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> Not to a county sheriff he doesn't.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheriffs_in_the_United_States
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