On Thursday, May 10, 2012 4:58:25 PM UTC-4, Jope wrote:
> As homosexuality is gaining more acceptance,it is important for those
> who believe in God to be mindful of his word.
> For God will bring into judgement not only the ones who commit evil
> deeds but also,those who approve of such deeds.
> The following passages are from the word of God
> " Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is
> abomination."
You really need to go back to the Torah, in the original Hebrew to understand this one. The word is not "lie" it's "Putsala" (sic?), word from which the Yiddish word Putz is derived. It referrs to the brutal rape, the kind that frequently occurs after a battle, after all of the men and most of the boys are dead - because the young boys are obligated to avenge their fathers. They would also kill all the mothers and older women. What was supposed to be left were the young single women, who would then be raped - spoils of war.
Deuteronomy, which was written later, suggests that men should shave the women bald, dress them in sack-cloth and ashes for a period, and THEN they can rape them, but they have to treat them like a wife (Concubine).
Before a battle, the mothers of young prepubescent boys would often dress the boys up as women, even putting on make-up and doing other things to make them look even more desirable than the natural women. This was the boy's only chance of not being killed the moment he was spotted.
Of course, the boy might be spared, but after the battle, when everybody else is dead, the soldiers would start raping the women and would eventually discover that "she" was a "he". At which point, the soldiers might very understandably rape the boy, the same way they would rape the women, and THEN they would kill him.
In Leviticus, it was considered inhumane to rape a 10-12 year old boy before you killed him. You should just kill him, since the women who were raped would be allowed to live.
> Leviticus 18:22
> "The wicked are sentenced to suffer just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the
> adjacent towns--which likewise gave themselves over to impurity and
> indulged in unnatural vice and sensual perversity--are laid out in
> plain sight as an exhibit of perpetual punishment of everlasting
> fire."
The word Sodomite had more to do with vicious and brutal rape. When the Angels came to visit Lot, the people of Sodom wanted to rape them. Lot offered to let them RAPE HIS OWN DAUGHTERS rather than let these visitors be harmed. The original Hebrew refers to them as messengers, who may have been male, female, or both.
> Jude 1:7
> "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even
> their women did change the natural use into that which is against
> nature."
Not sure of the biblical reference on this one. I was not that unusual for Roman Women, especially the wives of Roman Senators, to have a Gladiator bound in such a way that she could forcefully rape him. She could insert something into him that would force an erection, then she could mount him, even as she humiliated and beat him. Similar things were done to household slaves.
Could this be what Jude was talking about?
> Romans 1:26
> " And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the
> woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working
> that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence
> of their error which was meet."
Again with the King Jimmy translations based on the Greek. Tiberious Ceasar would take young boys, pre-teens, and rape them in his swimming pool. If they resisted, he would throw the "Minnows" back into the sea - over a high cliff that always killed them. Caligula was one of Tiberious' "minnows" for most of his life until Tiberious died.
Perhaps this was the kind of behavior being referenced. Romans was written after the death of Caligula but before the death of Nero.
> Romans 1:28
> " Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom
> of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor
> adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
> Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor
> extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Nero and his band were all of these things, but more importantly, they got great pleasure from raping women, boys, and even having the women and boys raped by animals, before they were killed by wild tigers, lions, or dogs.
If a father could not pay his taxes, the tax collector would take his daughter, or even his young son if he had no daughter, and "rent out" to the Roman Soldiers. The tax collector's job wasn't just to collect the cash to pay the Legion, he was also responsible for getting them the things they wanted to buy with that money, such as prostitutes, booze, and really good food.
The tax collector wasn't just a civil servant, he was also the pimp, the casino, the drug dealer, and the gangster.
> 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
> " But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and
> murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all
> liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and
> brimstone: which is the second death."
Again, some translation issues from the Greek. Fearful would have been more like "Terrorists" and "Unbelieving" would have been more like "Openly defiant to God and God's laws". Whoremongers would have been the people who took the daughters of people who couldn't pay their taxes, and forced the girls into prostitution - forcing them to service 30-40 Roman soldiers every night. If she fought - she would get raped and beaten even worse. The Roman Soldiers liked the "sport" of the kind of sex they would get after a battle - rough rape sex. And this was what the tax collectors were selling.
Sorcerers were were those who used "magic" (probably poisons and technology) to maim, wound, or kill people as a way to extort money from them. The closest we have to anything like it in modern times would be the "JuJu Man" who would wipe a past or mark containing a drug that would paralyse the victim, making them appear dead for several days. After they were buried, the JuJu man would dig them up, but by then, oxygen deprivation would turn their brains to mush, making them very obedient slaves. This is where the myth of Zombies came from. In Roman and Greek times, sorcerers would use Mandrake Root to create a bitter drink that had a similar effect. More often, the sorcerer would rape the people he dug up. There may have also been those sorcerers who performed a primitive form of Lobotomy using a spike and hammer - to create mindless slaves.
In the 1950s, this was a common medical practice. Rape a woman, like a step-daughter, numerous times. When she fought back, take her to the psych ward, where they would drive a spike into her frontal lobe, turning her into a docile puppet - who wouldn't fight back when she was raped.
> Revelation 21:8
> "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them
> down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be
> reserved unto judgment
> And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person,
> a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of
> the ungodly;
> And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes
> condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those
> that after should live ungodly;
> And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of
> the wicked:
> (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and
> hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful
> deeds;)
> The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations,
> and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished"
> 2 Peter 2:4-9
Consider this in the context of Jesus teachings, and consider the possible fate of a country where money became more important than God, where Billionaires were worshiped and obeyed without question. They could get away with mass murder, and be unchallenged. Nazi Germany, 1950s United States, and today?
The United States was the inspiration for Nazi Germany. The "Trail of Tears" and the systematic extermination of the native tribes, including the Chiracaua, Navaho, Hopi, Zuni, and all of the other tribes, forcing them to a death march, putting the survivors in the middle of the desert with no food and ransid water, then giving them the blankets of those who had died of smallpox. The United States didn't use Zyclon B - the were much LESS humane.
> " If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman,
> both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put
> to death; their blood shall be upon them. "
> Leviticus 20:13
Again, we go back to the original context of a pre-teen boy, who survives the battle by looking and acting like a girl. If he survives, if he is allowed to live, it is his sacred duty to kill the men who kill his mother, father, brothers, baby sisters, and raped his 10-20 year old sisters and female cousins.
Yes, the boy might give you pleasure tonight, but if you fall asleep, he will look for a knife to slit your throat. If he dies in the attempt, he was going to die anyway and he knows it. He just bought himself enough time to take a few soldiers with him.
In Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, boys are recruited at 10-12 years old, survivors of battles in which most of their own families have been killed, and they learn to kill as many soldiers as possible, as quickly as possible, with the knowledge that he really didn't have all that long to live anyway.
The United States has always fought a very unusual kind of war. Rather than shoot the foot soldiers, then rape and pillage, the Americans used snipers to take out as many of the commanding officers as possible. It was terrifying to the military commanders, because they were used to war in which they would march into the town, kill all the men and boys, and have their way with the women. The officers were never to be targeted, and should only be attacked by another officer. The knight meeting the knight.
In the USA, the pawn - the Kentucky rifleman who didn't even wear a uniform, and mostly wore animal hides, in leather and fur, were taking out Generals and commanders before the battle even started.
As a result, Americans never really experienced the horrors of barbaric war in a no holds barred everybody but the young women are to be killed on sight bloody ugly war.
By the time of the Revolution, even the Indians obeyed the rules of war, taking the ears or scalps of the dead, but allowing the injured to live, and allowing the defeated to withdraw or retreat.
> "I warn you beforehand, just as I did previously, that those who do
> such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."
The sad thing is that these misinterpretations of scripture, the lacking context, and the bigotry of overzealous readers of a book which was written as a propaganda tool to assure the power of King James and his MALE lords and vassals, and to assure that there would not be another Queen Mary or Queen Elizabeth, have taken this interpretation as justification for the murder of innocent boys and men who are very careful to make sure that their partners are only consenting adults, whose "crime" is being too "feminine" or "sissy" - and for these crimes, at the guidance of their preachers - inflict injuries that disfigure, maim, cripple, or kill the victims, as acts preformed "In the Name Of Jesus".
Consider the plight of Saint Paul. Here is a man, in his 30s, a wealthy Rabbi, with family in the Sanhedrin, who is not married, seems to have no attraction to women, and spends most of his time with a bunch of men, and writes verses of love and admiration about a number of men he considered "friends".
In modern United States society, he might have been persecuted as a "queer", possibly even attacked, crippled, or even killed.
> Galatians 5v21
Even better, consider Jesus. A man whose father was a carpenter, whose mother was from a family of high priests, and who disowned his adoptive father at 12 years old to study in the temple. One group claims he was never married, which would have been very unusual for a Rabbi, especially a Rabbi who had lived to 30. And this unmarried Jesus spoke of a father's love, turning the other cheek, loving your enemies, and washed the feet of a bunch of men.
In 21st century USA, a guy like that might have been lynched. Especially if he was in the South, acting a bit too feminine, with long hair, and being all lovey dovey with a bunch of other men who hung out with him all the time. And of course, they camped out all the time, so they were homeless as well.
At minimum, he would have ended up on a chain gang, or in a psychiatric ward.
What would Jesus do?
Who would Jesus Bomb?