> ARTICLE 239. - The citizen who has carried out the ownership of the Executive authority could not be President or Vice-president of the Republic. The one that break this disposition or propose its reform, as well as those supports that it direct or indirectly, will stop immediately in the performance of their respective positions and will be disqualified by ten (10) years for the exercise of all public function.
> ARTICLE 239 .- The citizen who has ownership of the executive branch may not be President or Vice President of the Republic.

> Anyone who violates this provision or the proposed reform, and support those who directly or indirectly, immediately cease the discharge of their duties and shall be disqualified for ten (10) years to exercise any public function.

> ARTICULO 239.- El ciudadano que haya desempeñado la titularidad del Poder Ejecutivo no podrá ser Presidente o Vicepresidente de la República.

> El que quebrante esta disposición o proponga su reforma, así como aquellos que lo apoyen directa o indirectamente, cesarán de inmediato en el desempeño de sus respectivos cargos y quedarán inhabilitados por diez (10) años para el ejercicio de toda función pública.

Matt wrote:
> babelfish translation:

>> ARTICLE 239. - The citizen who has carried out the ownership of the
>> Executive authority could not be President or Vice-president of the
>> Republic. The one that break this disposition or propose its reform,
>> as well as those supports that it direct or indirectly, will stop
>> immediately in the performance of their respective positions and will
>> be disqualified by ten (10) years for the exercise of all public
>> function.

>> ARTICLE 239 .- The citizen who has ownership of the executive branch
>> may not be President or Vice President of the Republic.

>> Anyone who violates this provision or the proposed reform, and support
>> those who directly or indirectly, immediately cease the discharge of
>> their duties and shall be disqualified for ten (10) years to exercise
>> any public function.

> http://pdba.georgetown.edu/Constitutions/Honduras/hond05.html

>> ARTICULO 239.- El ciudadano que haya desempe ado la titularidad del
>> Poder Ejecutivo no podr ser Presidente o Vicepresidente de la Rep blica.

>> El que quebrante esta disposici n o proponga su reforma, as como
>> aquellos que lo apoyen directa o indirectamente, cesar n de inmediato
>> en el desempe o de sus respectivos cargos y quedar n inhabilitados por
>> diez (10) a os para el ejercicio de toda funci n p blica.

> ARTICLE 42. - The quality of citizen is lost: ... 5. To urge, to promote or to support the continuismo or the re-election of the President of the Republic;
> ARTICULO 42.- La calidad de ciudadano se pierde: ... 5. Por incitar, promover o apoyar el continuismo o la reelecci n del Presidente de la Rep blica; y,

> ARTICLE 374. - They will not be able to reform, in any case, the previous article, the present article, the constitutional articles that talk about the form of government, to the national territory, the presidential period, the prohibition to be again President of the Republic, the citizen has carried out who it under any title and the referring one to those who cannot be Presidents of the Republic by the subsequent period.
> ARTICULO 374.- No podr n reformarse, en ning n caso, el art culo anterior, el presente art culo, los art culos constitucionales que se refieren a la forma de gobierno, al territorio nacional, al per odo presidencial, a la prohibici n para ser nuevamente Presidente de la Rep blica, el ciudadano que lo haya desempe ado bajo cualquier t tulo y el referente a quienes no pueden ser Presidentes de la Rep blica por el per odo subsiguiente.

"Matt" <m...@themattfella.xxxyyz.com> wrote in message

> Matt wrote:
>> babelfish translation:

>>> ARTICLE 239. - The citizen who has carried out the ownership of the
>>> Executive authority could not be President or Vice-president of the
>>> Republic. The one that break this disposition or propose its reform, as
>>> well as those supports that it direct or indirectly, will stop
>>> immediately in the performance of their respective positions and will be
>>> disqualified by ten (10) years for the exercise of all public function.

>>> ARTICLE 239 .- The citizen who has ownership of the executive branch may
>>> not be President or Vice President of the Republic.

>>> Anyone who violates this provision or the proposed reform, and support
>>> those who directly or indirectly, immediately cease the discharge of
>>> their duties and shall be disqualified for ten (10) years to exercise
>>> any public function.

>> http://pdba.georgetown.edu/Constitutions/Honduras/hond05.html

>>> ARTICULO 239.- El ciudadano que haya desempeñado la titularidad del
>>> Poder Ejecutivo no podrá ser Presidente o Vicepresidente de la
>>> República.

>>> El que quebrante esta disposición o proponga su reforma, así como
>>> aquellos que lo apoyen directa o indirectamente, cesarán de inmediato en
>>> el desempeño de sus respectivos cargos y quedarán inhabilitados por diez
>>> (10) años para el ejercicio de toda función pública.

> The Honduran constitution requires the revocation of the citizenship of
> anyone who promotes the abolition of the presidential term limit:

> "Matt" <m...@themattfella.xxxyyz.com> wrote in message

> news:iBB2m.184$IU6.103@newsfe05.iad...

> > Matt wrote:
> >> babelfish translation:

> >>> ARTICLE 239. - The citizen who has carried out the ownership of the
> >>> Executive authority could not be President or Vice-president of the
> >>> Republic. The one that break this disposition or propose its reform, as
> >>> well as those supports that it direct or indirectly, will stop
> >>> immediately in the performance of their respective positions and will be
> >>> disqualified by ten (10) years for the exercise of all public function.

> >>> ARTICLE 239 .- The citizen who has ownership of the executive branch may
> >>> not be President or Vice President of the Republic.

> >>> Anyone who violates this provision or the proposed reform, and support
> >>> those who directly or indirectly, immediately cease the discharge of
> >>> their duties and shall be disqualified for ten (10) years to exercise
> >>> any public function.

> >>http://pdba.georgetown.edu/Constitutions/Honduras/hond05.html

> >>> ARTICULO 239.- El ciudadano que haya desempeñado la titularidad del
> >>> Poder Ejecutivo no podrá ser Presidente o Vicepresidente de la
> >>> República.

> >>> El que quebrante esta disposición o proponga su reforma, así como
> >>> aquellos que lo apoyen directa o indirectamente, cesarán de inmediato en
> >>> el desempeño de sus respectivos cargos y quedarán inhabilitados por diez
> >>> (10) años para el ejercicio de toda función pública.

> > The Honduran constitution requires the revocation of the citizenship of
> > anyone who promotes the abolition of the presidential term limit:

> The issue here is that Zeleya was seeking to follow in the footsteps of his
> mentors, Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez to establish themselves as "President
> for life." Chavez has suggested that Venezuela will intervene militarily in
> Honduras to IMPOSE a permanent socialist government on it. Styled after the
> Cuba model.- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> And Obama agrees with Chavez,Castro and Zeleya. Look for Hussein to
> attempt the same thing before it's all over with.

Matt wrote:
> Matt wrote:
>> babelfish translation:

>>> ARTICLE 239. - The citizen who has carried out the ownership of the
>>> Executive authority could not be President or Vice-president of the
>>> Republic. The one that break this disposition or propose its reform,
>>> as well as those supports that it direct or indirectly, will stop
>>> immediately in the performance of their respective positions and will
>>> be disqualified by ten (10) years for the exercise of all public
>>> function.

>>> ARTICLE 239 .- The citizen who has ownership of the executive branch
>>> may not be President or Vice President of the Republic.

>>> Anyone who violates this provision or the proposed reform, and
>>> support those who directly or indirectly, immediately cease the
>>> discharge of their duties and shall be disqualified for ten (10)
>>> years to exercise any public function.

>> http://pdba.georgetown.edu/Constitutions/Honduras/hond05.html

>>> ARTICULO 239.- El ciudadano que haya desempeñado la titularidad del
>>> Poder Ejecutivo no podrá ser Presidente o Vicepresidente de la
>>> República.

>>> El que quebrante esta disposición o proponga su reforma, así como
>>> aquellos que lo apoyen directa o indirectamente, cesarán de inmediato
>>> en el desempeño de sus respectivos cargos y quedarán inhabilitados
>>> por diez (10) años para el ejercicio de toda función pública.

> The Honduran constitution requires the revocation of the citizenship of
> anyone who promotes the abolition of the presidential term limit:

>> ARTICLE 42. - The quality of citizen is lost: ... 5. To urge, to
>> promote or to support the continuismo or the re-election of the
>> President of the Republic;

>> ARTICULO 42.- La calidad de ciudadano se pierde: ... 5. Por incitar,
>> promover o apoyar el continuismo o la reelección del Presidente de la
>> República; y,

> The Honduran constitution may not be changed to abolish the presidential
> term limit:

>> ARTICLE 374. - They will not be able to reform, in any case, the
>> previous article, the present article, the constitutional articles
>> that talk about the form of government, to the national territory, the
>> presidential period, the prohibition to be again President of the
>> Republic, the citizen has carried out who it under any title and the
>> referring one to those who cannot be Presidents of the Republic by the
>> subsequent period.

>> ARTICULO 374.- No podrán reformarse, en ningún caso, el artículo
>> anterior, el presente artículo, los artículos constitucionales que se
>> refieren a la forma de gobierno, al territorio nacional, al período
>> presidencial, a la prohibición para ser nuevamente Presidente de la
>> República, el ciudadano que lo haya desempeñado bajo cualquier título
>> y el referente a quienes no pueden ser Presidentes de la República por
>> el período subsiguiente.

> ARTICLE 272. - The Armed Forces of Honduras, are a National Institution of permanent, professional, non-political, obedient and essentially nondeliberative character. They are constituted to defend territorial integrity and the sovereignty of the Republic, to maintain La Paz, the public order and the empire of the Constitution, the principles of free suffrage and the alternabilidad in the exercise of the Presidency of the Republic. They will cooperate with the National Police in the Conservation of the public order.
> ARTICULO 272.- Las Fuerzas Armadas de Honduras, son una Institución Nacional de carácter permanente, esencialmente profesional, apolítica, obediente y no deliberante.

> Se constituyen para defender la integridad territorial y la soberanía de la República, mantener la paz, el orden público y el imperio de la Constitución, los principios de libre sufragio y la alternabilidad en el ejercicio de la Presidencia de la República.

> Cooperarán con la Policía Nacional en la Conservación del orden público.

Matt wrote:
> Matt wrote:
>> babelfish translation:

>>> ARTICLE 239. - The citizen who has carried out the ownership of the
>>> Executive authority could not be President or Vice-president of the
>>> Republic. The one that break this disposition or propose its reform,
>>> as well as those supports that it direct or indirectly, will stop
>>> immediately in the performance of their respective positions and will
>>> be disqualified by ten (10) years for the exercise of all public
>>> function.

>>> ARTICLE 239 .- The citizen who has ownership of the executive branch
>>> may not be President or Vice President of the Republic.

>>> Anyone who violates this provision or the proposed reform, and
>>> support those who directly or indirectly, immediately cease the
>>> discharge of their duties and shall be disqualified for ten (10)
>>> years to exercise any public function.

>> http://pdba.georgetown.edu/Constitutions/Honduras/hond05.html

>>> ARTICULO 239.- El ciudadano que haya desempeñado la titularidad del
>>> Poder Ejecutivo no podrá ser Presidente o Vicepresidente de la
>>> República.

>>> El que quebrante esta disposición o proponga su reforma, así como
>>> aquellos que lo apoyen directa o indirectamente, cesarán de inmediato
>>> en el desempeño de sus respectivos cargos y quedarán inhabilitados
>>> por diez (10) años para el ejercicio de toda función pública.

> The Honduran constitution requires the revocation of the citizenship of
> anyone who promotes the abolition of the presidential term limit:

>> ARTICLE 42. - The quality of citizen is lost: ... 5. To urge, to
>> promote or to support the continuismo or the re-election of the
>> President of the Republic;

>> ARTICULO 42.- La calidad de ciudadano se pierde: ... 5. Por incitar,
>> promover o apoyar el continuismo o la reelección del Presidente de la
>> República; y,

> The Honduran constitution may not be changed to abolish the presidential
> term limit:

>> ARTICLE 374. - They will not be able to reform, in any case, the
>> previous article, the present article, the constitutional articles
>> that talk about the form of government, to the national territory, the
>> presidential period, the prohibition to be again President of the
>> Republic, the citizen has carried out who it under any title and the
>> referring one to those who cannot be Presidents of the Republic by the
>> subsequent period.

>> ARTICULO 374.- No podrán reformarse, en ningún caso, el artículo
>> anterior, el presente artículo, los artículos constitucionales que se
>> refieren a la forma de gobierno, al territorio nacional, al período
>> presidencial, a la prohibición para ser nuevamente Presidente de la
>> República, el ciudadano que lo haya desempeñado bajo cualquier título
>> y el referente a quienes no pueden ser Presidentes de la República por
>> el período subsiguiente.

Matt wrote:
> babelfish translation:

>> ARTICLE 239. - The citizen who has carried out the ownership of the
>> Executive authority could not be President or Vice-president of the
>> Republic. The one that break this disposition or propose its reform,
>> as well as those supports that it direct or indirectly, will stop
>> immediately in the performance of their respective positions and will
>> be disqualified by ten (10) years for the exercise of all public
>> function.

>> ARTICLE 239 .- The citizen who has ownership of the executive branch
>> may not be President or Vice President of the Republic.

>> Anyone who violates this provision or the proposed reform, and support
>> those who directly or indirectly, immediately cease the discharge of
>> their duties and shall be disqualified for ten (10) years to exercise
>> any public function.

> http://pdba.georgetown.edu/Constitutions/Honduras/hond05.html

>> ARTICULO 239.- El ciudadano que haya desempeñado la titularidad del
>> Poder Ejecutivo no podrá ser Presidente o Vicepresidente de la República.

>> El que quebrante esta disposición o proponga su reforma, así como
>> aquellos que lo apoyen directa o indirectamente, cesarán de inmediato
>> en el desempeño de sus respectivos cargos y quedarán inhabilitados por
>> diez (10) años para el ejercicio de toda función pública.

Matt wrote:
> Matt wrote:
>> Matt wrote:
>>> babelfish translation:

>>>> ARTICLE 239. - The citizen who has carried out the ownership of the
>>>> Executive authority could not be President or Vice-president of the
>>>> Republic. The one that break this disposition or propose its reform,
>>>> as well as those supports that it direct or indirectly, will stop
>>>> immediately in the performance of their respective positions and
>>>> will be disqualified by ten (10) years for the exercise of all
>>>> public function.

>>>> ARTICLE 239 .- The citizen who has ownership of the executive branch
>>>> may not be President or Vice President of the Republic.

>>>> Anyone who violates this provision or the proposed reform, and
>>>> support those who directly or indirectly, immediately cease the
>>>> discharge of their duties and shall be disqualified for ten (10)
>>>> years to exercise any public function.

>>> http://pdba.georgetown.edu/Constitutions/Honduras/hond05.html

>>>> ARTICULO 239.- El ciudadano que haya desempeñado la titularidad del
>>>> Poder Ejecutivo no podrá ser Presidente o Vicepresidente de la
>>>> República.

>>>> El que quebrante esta disposición o proponga su reforma, así como
>>>> aquellos que lo apoyen directa o indirectamente, cesarán de
>>>> inmediato en el desempeño de sus respectivos cargos y quedarán
>>>> inhabilitados por diez (10) años para el ejercicio de toda función
>>>> pública.

>> The Honduran constitution requires the revocation of the citizenship
>> of anyone who promotes the abolition of the presidential term limit:

>>> ARTICLE 42. - The quality of citizen is lost: ... 5. To urge, to
>>> promote or to support the continuismo or the re-election of the
>>> President of the Republic;

>>> ARTICULO 42.- La calidad de ciudadano se pierde: ... 5. Por incitar,
>>> promover o apoyar el continuismo o la reelección del Presidente de la
>>> República; y,

>> The Honduran constitution may not be changed to abolish the
>> presidential term limit:

>>> ARTICLE 374. - They will not be able to reform, in any case, the
>>> previous article, the present article, the constitutional articles
>>> that talk about the form of government, to the national territory,
>>> the presidential period, the prohibition to be again President of the
>>> Republic, the citizen has carried out who it under any title and the
>>> referring one to those who cannot be Presidents of the Republic by
>>> the subsequent period.

>>> ARTICULO 374.- No podrán reformarse, en ningún caso, el artículo
>>> anterior, el presente artículo, los artículos constitucionales que se
>>> refieren a la forma de gobierno, al territorio nacional, al período
>>> presidencial, a la prohibición para ser nuevamente Presidente de la
>>> República, el ciudadano que lo haya desempeñado bajo cualquier título
>>> y el referente a quienes no pueden ser Presidentes de la República
>>> por el período subsiguiente.

> The Honduran constitution assigns the armed forces to maintain the
> alternation of the Presidency:

>> ARTICLE 272. - The Armed Forces of Honduras, are a National
>> Institution of permanent, professional, non-political, obedient and
>> essentially nondeliberative character. They are constituted to defend
>> territorial integrity and the sovereignty of the Republic, to maintain
>> La Paz, the public order and the empire of the Constitution, the
>> principles of free suffrage and the alternabilidad in the exercise of
>> the Presidency of the Republic. They will cooperate with the National
>> Police in the Conservation of the public order.

>> ARTICULO 272.- Las Fuerzas Armadas de Honduras, son una Institución
>> Nacional de carácter permanente, esencialmente profesional, apolítica,
>> obediente y no deliberante.

>> Se constituyen para defender la integridad territorial y la soberanía
>> de la República, mantener la paz, el orden público y el imperio de la
>> Constitución, los principios de libre sufragio y la alternabilidad en
>> el ejercicio de la Presidencia de la República.

>> Cooperarán con la Policía Nacional en la Conservación del orden público.

> Obviously there is hardly a greater taboo in the Honduran constitution
> than a president serving more than one term.

> ARTICLE 4. - The government form is republican, democratic and representative. It is exerted by three powers: Legislative, Executive and Judicial, complementary and independent and without subordination relations. The alternabilidad in the exercise of the Presidency of the Republic is obligatory. The infraction of this norm constitutes crime of treason to the Mother country.
> ARTICULO 4.- La forma de gobierno es republicana, democrática y representativa. Se ejerce por tres poderes: Legislativo, Ejecutivo y Judicial, complementarios e independientes y sin relaciones de subordinación.

> La alternabilidad en el ejercicio de la Presidencia de la República es obligatoria.

> La infracción de esta norma constituye delito de traición a la Patria.

Matt wrote:
> Matt wrote:
>> Matt wrote:
>>> Matt wrote:
>>>> babelfish translation:

>>>>> ARTICLE 239. - The citizen who has carried out the ownership of the
>>>>> Executive authority could not be President or Vice-president of the
>>>>> Republic. The one that break this disposition or propose its
>>>>> reform, as well as those supports that it direct or indirectly,
>>>>> will stop immediately in the performance of their respective
>>>>> positions and will be disqualified by ten (10) years for the
>>>>> exercise of all public function.

>>>>> ARTICLE 239 .- The citizen who has ownership of the executive
>>>>> branch may not be President or Vice President of the Republic.

>>>>> Anyone who violates this provision or the proposed reform, and
>>>>> support those who directly or indirectly, immediately cease the
>>>>> discharge of their duties and shall be disqualified for ten (10)
>>>>> years to exercise any public function.

>>>> http://pdba.georgetown.edu/Constitutions/Honduras/hond05.html

>>>>> ARTICULO 239.- El ciudadano que haya desempeñado la titularidad del
>>>>> Poder Ejecutivo no podrá ser Presidente o Vicepresidente de la
>>>>> República.

>>>>> El que quebrante esta disposición o proponga su reforma, así como
>>>>> aquellos que lo apoyen directa o indirectamente, cesarán de
>>>>> inmediato en el desempeño de sus respectivos cargos y quedarán
>>>>> inhabilitados por diez (10) años para el ejercicio de toda función
>>>>> pública.

>>> The Honduran constitution requires the revocation of the citizenship
>>> of anyone who promotes the abolition of the presidential term limit:

>>>> ARTICLE 42. - The quality of citizen is lost: ... 5. To urge, to
>>>> promote or to support the continuismo or the re-election of the
>>>> President of the Republic;

>>>> ARTICULO 42.- La calidad de ciudadano se pierde: ... 5. Por incitar,
>>>> promover o apoyar el continuismo o la reelección del Presidente de
>>>> la República; y,

>>> The Honduran constitution may not be changed to abolish the
>>> presidential term limit:

>>>> ARTICLE 374. - They will not be able to reform, in any case, the
>>>> previous article, the present article, the constitutional articles
>>>> that talk about the form of government, to the national territory,
>>>> the presidential period, the prohibition to be again President of
>>>> the Republic, the citizen has carried out who it under any title and
>>>> the referring one to those who cannot be Presidents of the Republic
>>>> by the subsequent period.

>>>> ARTICULO 374.- No podrán reformarse, en ningún caso, el artículo
>>>> anterior, el presente artículo, los artículos constitucionales que
>>>> se refieren a la forma de gobierno, al territorio nacional, al
>>>> período presidencial, a la prohibición para ser nuevamente
>>>> Presidente de la República, el ciudadano que lo haya desempeñado
>>>> bajo cualquier título y el referente a quienes no pueden ser
>>>> Presidentes de la República por el período subsiguiente.

>> The Honduran constitution assigns the armed forces to maintain the
>> alternation of the Presidency:

>>> ARTICLE 272. - The Armed Forces of Honduras, are a National
>>> Institution of permanent, professional, non-political, obedient and
>>> essentially nondeliberative character. They are constituted to defend
>>> territorial integrity and the sovereignty of the Republic, to
>>> maintain La Paz, the public order and the empire of the Constitution,
>>> the principles of free suffrage and the alternabilidad in the
>>> exercise of the Presidency of the Republic. They will cooperate with
>>> the National Police in the Conservation of the public order.

>>> ARTICULO 272.- Las Fuerzas Armadas de Honduras, son una Institución
>>> Nacional de carácter permanente, esencialmente profesional,
>>> apolítica, obediente y no deliberante.

>>> Se constituyen para defender la integridad territorial y la soberanía
>>> de la República, mantener la paz, el orden público y el imperio de la
>>> Constitución, los principios de libre sufragio y la alternabilidad en
>>> el ejercicio de la Presidencia de la República.

>>> Cooperarán con la Policía Nacional en la Conservación del orden público.

>> Obviously there is hardly a greater taboo in the Honduran constitution
>> than a president serving more than one term.

> The Honudran Constitution defines infractions against the alternability
> of the presidency as treason against the country:

> Matt wrote:
> > Matt wrote:
> >> Matt wrote:
> >>> Matt wrote:
> >>>> babelfish translation:

> >>>>> ARTICLE 239. - The citizen who has carried out the ownership of the
> >>>>> Executive authority could not be President or Vice-president of the
> >>>>> Republic. The one that break this disposition or propose its
> >>>>> reform, as well as those supports that it direct or indirectly,
> >>>>> will stop immediately in the performance of their respective
> >>>>> positions and will be disqualified by ten (10) years for the
> >>>>> exercise of all public function.

> >>>>> ARTICLE 239 .- The citizen who has ownership of the executive
> >>>>> branch may not be President or Vice President of the Republic.

> >>>>> Anyone who violates this provision or the proposed reform, and
> >>>>> support those who directly or indirectly, immediately cease the
> >>>>> discharge of their duties and shall be disqualified for ten (10)
> >>>>> years to exercise any public function.

> >>>>http://pdba.georgetown.edu/Constitutions/Honduras/hond05.html

> >>>>> ARTICULO 239.- El ciudadano que haya desempeñado la titularidad del
> >>>>> Poder Ejecutivo no podrá ser Presidente o Vicepresidente de la
> >>>>> República.

> >>>>> El que quebrante esta disposición o proponga su reforma, así como
> >>>>> aquellos que lo apoyen directa o indirectamente, cesarán de
> >>>>> inmediato en el desempeño de sus respectivos cargos y quedarán
> >>>>> inhabilitados por diez (10) años para el ejercicio de toda función
> >>>>> pública.

> >>> The Honduran constitution requires the revocation of the citizenship
> >>> of anyone who promotes the abolition of the presidential term limit:

> >>>> ARTICLE 42. - The quality of citizen is lost: ... 5. To urge, to
> >>>> promote or to support the continuismo or the re-election of the
> >>>> President of the Republic;

> >>>> ARTICULO 42.- La calidad de ciudadano se pierde: ... 5. Por incitar,
> >>>> promover o apoyar el continuismo o la reelección del Presidente de
> >>>> la República; y,

> >>> The Honduran constitution may not be changed to abolish the
> >>> presidential term limit:

> >>>> ARTICLE 374. - They will not be able to reform, in any case, the
> >>>> previous article, the present article, the constitutional articles
> >>>> that talk about the form of government, to the national territory,
> >>>> the presidential period, the prohibition to be again President of
> >>>> the Republic, the citizen has carried out who it under any title and
> >>>> the referring one to those who cannot be Presidents of the Republic
> >>>> by the subsequent period.

> >>>> ARTICULO 374.- No podrán reformarse, en ningún caso, el artículo
> >>>> anterior, el presente artículo, los artículos constitucionales que
> >>>> se refieren a la forma de gobierno, al territorio nacional, al
> >>>> período presidencial, a la prohibición para ser nuevamente
> >>>> Presidente de la República, el ciudadano que lo haya desempeñado
> >>>> bajo cualquier título y el referente a quienes no pueden ser
> >>>> Presidentes de la República por el período subsiguiente.

> >> The Honduran constitution assigns the armed forces to maintain the
> >> alternation of the Presidency:

> >>> ARTICLE 272. - The Armed Forces of Honduras, are a National
> >>> Institution of permanent, professional, non-political, obedient and
> >>> essentially nondeliberative character. They are constituted to defend
> >>> territorial integrity and the sovereignty of the Republic, to
> >>> maintain La Paz, the public order and the empire of the Constitution,
> >>> the principles of free suffrage and the alternabilidad in the
> >>> exercise of the Presidency of the Republic. They will cooperate with
> >>> the National Police in the Conservation of the public order.

> >>> ARTICULO 272.- Las Fuerzas Armadas de Honduras, son una Institución
> >>> Nacional de carácter permanente, esencialmente profesional,
> >>> apolítica, obediente y no deliberante.

> >>> Se constituyen para defender la integridad territorial y la soberanía
> >>> de la República, mantener la paz, el orden público y el imperio de la
> >>> Constitución, los principios de libre sufragio y la alternabilidad en
> >>> el ejercicio de la Presidencia de la República.

> >>> Cooperarán con la Policía Nacional en la Conservación del orden público.

> >> Obviously there is hardly a greater taboo in the Honduran constitution
> >> than a president serving more than one term.

> > The Honudran Constitution defines infractions against the alternability
> > of the presidency as treason against the country:

"Jeffrey Turner" <jtur...@localnet.com> wrote in message

> The odd thing, and a fact that hasn’t made it into a lot of press
> accounts or snap judgments about the situation, is that the language in
> question is not about re-election, but rather would have asked whether
> or not the public wanted to have a referendum in November about whether
> or not to call a constitutional convention to write a new constitution.
> As such, it is unclear to me at the moment why the accusation was that
> Zelaya was seeking immediate re-election, as even if his plebiscite had
> been approved, I cannot see how it would have led to be him being on the
> ballot in November (which is when the next presidential term, which
> starts in January, is set to be filled). I will continue to research
> that issue.

> http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/more_on_the_honduran_crisis/

> Once again the wingnuts oppose democracy and the civilized world.

"Jeffrey Turner" <jtur...@localnet.com> wrote in message

> Matt wrote:
>> Matt wrote:
>>> Matt wrote:
>>>> Matt wrote:
>>>>> babelfish translation:

>>>>>> ARTICLE 239. - The citizen who has carried out the ownership of the
>>>>>> Executive authority could not be President or Vice-president of the
>>>>>> Republic. The one that break this disposition or propose its reform,
>>>>>> as well as those supports that it direct or indirectly, will stop
>>>>>> immediately in the performance of their respective positions and will
>>>>>> be disqualified by ten (10) years for the exercise of all public
>>>>>> function.

>>>>>> ARTICLE 239 .- The citizen who has ownership of the executive branch
>>>>>> may not be President or Vice President of the Republic.

>>>>>> Anyone who violates this provision or the proposed reform, and
>>>>>> support those who directly or indirectly, immediately cease the
>>>>>> discharge of their duties and shall be disqualified for ten (10)
>>>>>> years to exercise any public function.

>>>>> http://pdba.georgetown.edu/Constitutions/Honduras/hond05.html

>>>>>> ARTICULO 239.- El ciudadano que haya desempeñado la titularidad del
>>>>>> Poder Ejecutivo no podrá ser Presidente o Vicepresidente de la
>>>>>> República.

>>>>>> El que quebrante esta disposición o proponga su reforma, así como
>>>>>> aquellos que lo apoyen directa o indirectamente, cesarán de inmediato
>>>>>> en el desempeño de sus respectivos cargos y quedarán inhabilitados
>>>>>> por diez (10) años para el ejercicio de toda función pública.

>>>> The Honduran constitution requires the revocation of the citizenship of
>>>> anyone who promotes the abolition of the presidential term limit:

>>>>> ARTICLE 42. - The quality of citizen is lost: ... 5. To urge, to
>>>>> promote or to support the continuismo or the re-election of the
>>>>> President of the Republic;

>>>>> ARTICULO 42.- La calidad de ciudadano se pierde: ... 5. Por incitar,
>>>>> promover o apoyar el continuismo o la reelección del Presidente de la
>>>>> República; y,

>>>> The Honduran constitution may not be changed to abolish the
>>>> presidential term limit:

>>>>> ARTICLE 374. - They will not be able to reform, in any case, the
>>>>> previous article, the present article, the constitutional articles
>>>>> that talk about the form of government, to the national territory, the
>>>>> presidential period, the prohibition to be again President of the
>>>>> Republic, the citizen has carried out who it under any title and the
>>>>> referring one to those who cannot be Presidents of the Republic by the
>>>>> subsequent period.

>>>>> ARTICULO 374.- No podrán reformarse, en ningún caso, el artículo
>>>>> anterior, el presente artículo, los artículos constitucionales que se
>>>>> refieren a la forma de gobierno, al territorio nacional, al período
>>>>> presidencial, a la prohibición para ser nuevamente Presidente de la
>>>>> República, el ciudadano que lo haya desempeñado bajo cualquier título
>>>>> y el referente a quienes no pueden ser Presidentes de la República por
>>>>> el período subsiguiente.

>>> The Honduran constitution assigns the armed forces to maintain the
>>> alternation of the Presidency:

>>>> ARTICLE 272. - The Armed Forces of Honduras, are a National Institution
>>>> of permanent, professional, non-political, obedient and essentially
>>>> nondeliberative character. They are constituted to defend territorial
>>>> integrity and the sovereignty of the Republic, to maintain La Paz, the
>>>> public order and the empire of the Constitution, the principles of free
>>>> suffrage and the alternabilidad in the exercise of the Presidency of
>>>> the Republic. They will cooperate with the National Police in the
>>>> Conservation of the public order.

>>>> ARTICULO 272.- Las Fuerzas Armadas de Honduras, son una Institución
>>>> Nacional de carácter permanente, esencialmente profesional, apolítica,
>>>> obediente y no deliberante.

>>>> Se constituyen para defender la integridad territorial y la soberanía
>>>> de la República, mantener la paz, el orden público y el imperio de la
>>>> Constitución, los principios de libre sufragio y la alternabilidad en
>>>> el ejercicio de la Presidencia de la República.

>>>> Cooperarán con la Policía Nacional en la Conservación del orden
>>>> público.

>>> Obviously there is hardly a greater taboo in the Honduran constitution
>>> than a president serving more than one term.

>> The Honudran Constitution defines infractions against the alternability
>> of the presidency as treason against the country:

> The plebiscite was perfectly legal.  The coup was not.

Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> On Jul 2, 11:20 pm, Jeffrey Turner <jtur...@localnet.com> wrote:
>> Matt wrote:
>>> Matt wrote:
>>>> Matt wrote:
>>>>> Matt wrote:
>>>>>> babelfish translation:
>>>>>>> ARTICLE 239. - The citizen who has carried out the ownership of the
>>>>>>> Executive authority could not be President or Vice-president of the
>>>>>>> Republic. The one that break this disposition or propose its
>>>>>>> reform, as well as those supports that it direct or indirectly,
>>>>>>> will stop immediately in the performance of their respective
>>>>>>> positions and will be disqualified by ten (10) years for the
>>>>>>> exercise of all public function.
>>>>>>> ARTICLE 239 .- The citizen who has ownership of the executive
>>>>>>> branch may not be President or Vice President of the Republic.
>>>>>>> Anyone who violates this provision or the proposed reform, and
>>>>>>> support those who directly or indirectly, immediately cease the
>>>>>>> discharge of their duties and shall be disqualified for ten (10)
>>>>>>> years to exercise any public function.
>>>>>> http://pdba.georgetown.edu/Constitutions/Honduras/hond05.html
>>>>>>> ARTICULO 239.- El ciudadano que haya desempeñado la titularidad del
>>>>>>> Poder Ejecutivo no podrá ser Presidente o Vicepresidente de la
>>>>>>> República.
>>>>>>> El que quebrante esta disposición o proponga su reforma, así como
>>>>>>> aquellos que lo apoyen directa o indirectamente, cesarán de
>>>>>>> inmediato en el desempeño de sus respectivos cargos y quedarán
>>>>>>> inhabilitados por diez (10) años para el ejercicio de toda función
>>>>>>> pública.
>>>>> The Honduran constitution requires the revocation of the citizenship
>>>>> of anyone who promotes the abolition of the presidential term limit:
>>>>>> ARTICLE 42. - The quality of citizen is lost: ... 5. To urge, to
>>>>>> promote or to support the continuismo or the re-election of the
>>>>>> President of the Republic;
>>>>>> ARTICULO 42.- La calidad de ciudadano se pierde: ... 5. Por incitar,
>>>>>> promover o apoyar el continuismo o la reelección del Presidente de
>>>>>> la República; y,
>>>>> The Honduran constitution may not be changed to abolish the
>>>>> presidential term limit:
>>>>>> ARTICLE 374. - They will not be able to reform, in any case, the
>>>>>> previous article, the present article, the constitutional articles
>>>>>> that talk about the form of government, to the national territory,
>>>>>> the presidential period, the prohibition to be again President of
>>>>>> the Republic, the citizen has carried out who it under any title and
>>>>>> the referring one to those who cannot be Presidents of the Republic
>>>>>> by the subsequent period.
>>>>>> ARTICULO 374.- No podrán reformarse, en ningún caso, el artículo
>>>>>> anterior, el presente artículo, los artículos constitucionales que
>>>>>> se refieren a la forma de gobierno, al territorio nacional, al
>>>>>> período presidencial, a la prohibición para ser nuevamente
>>>>>> Presidente de la República, el ciudadano que lo haya desempeñado
>>>>>> bajo cualquier título y el referente a quienes no pueden ser
>>>>>> Presidentes de la República por el período subsiguiente.
>>>> The Honduran constitution assigns the armed forces to maintain the
>>>> alternation of the Presidency:
>>>>> ARTICLE 272. - The Armed Forces of Honduras, are a National
>>>>> Institution of permanent, professional, non-political, obedient and
>>>>> essentially nondeliberative character. They are constituted to defend
>>>>> territorial integrity and the sovereignty of the Republic, to
>>>>> maintain La Paz, the public order and the empire of the Constitution,
>>>>> the principles of free suffrage and the alternabilidad in the
>>>>> exercise of the Presidency of the Republic. They will cooperate with
>>>>> the National Police in the Conservation of the public order.
>>>>> ARTICULO 272.- Las Fuerzas Armadas de Honduras, son una Institución
>>>>> Nacional de carácter permanente, esencialmente profesional,
>>>>> apolítica, obediente y no deliberante.
>>>>> Se constituyen para defender la integridad territorial y la soberanía
>>>>> de la República, mantener la paz, el orden público y el imperio de la
>>>>> Constitución, los principios de libre sufragio y la alternabilidad en
>>>>> el ejercicio de la Presidencia de la República.
>>>>> Cooperarán con la Policía Nacional en la Conservación del orden público.
>>>> Obviously there is hardly a greater taboo in the Honduran constitution
>>>> than a president serving more than one term.
>>> The Honudran Constitution defines infractions against the alternability
>>> of the presidency as treason against the country:

>  > The plebiscite was perfectly legal.  The coup was not.

>  > --Jeff

> In reference to the plebiscite, you have no idea what you are talking
> about, Jeff.

> For starters, there was never a plebiscite. Watch CNN en Español.

krp wrote:

> "Jeffrey Turner" <jtur...@localnet.com> wrote in message
> news:l_adnW59sLyc5NDXnZ2dnUVZ_oFi4p2d@posted.localnet...
>> Matt wrote:
>>> Matt wrote:
>>>> Matt wrote:
>>>>> Matt wrote:
>>>>>> babelfish translation:

>>>>>>> ARTICLE 239. - The citizen who has carried out the ownership of
>>>>>>> the Executive authority could not be President or Vice-president
>>>>>>> of the Republic. The one that break this disposition or propose
>>>>>>> its reform, as well as those supports that it direct or
>>>>>>> indirectly, will stop immediately in the performance of their
>>>>>>> respective positions and will be disqualified by ten (10) years
>>>>>>> for the exercise of all public function.

>>>>>>> ARTICLE 239 .- The citizen who has ownership of the executive
>>>>>>> branch may not be President or Vice President of the Republic.

>>>>>>> Anyone who violates this provision or the proposed reform, and
>>>>>>> support those who directly or indirectly, immediately cease the
>>>>>>> discharge of their duties and shall be disqualified for ten (10)
>>>>>>> years to exercise any public function.

>>>>>> http://pdba.georgetown.edu/Constitutions/Honduras/hond05.html

>>>>>>> ARTICULO 239.- El ciudadano que haya desempeñado la titularidad
>>>>>>> del Poder Ejecutivo no podrá ser Presidente o Vicepresidente de
>>>>>>> la República.

>>>>>>> El que quebrante esta disposición o proponga su reforma, así como
>>>>>>> aquellos que lo apoyen directa o indirectamente, cesarán de
>>>>>>> inmediato en el desempeño de sus respectivos cargos y quedarán
>>>>>>> inhabilitados por diez (10) años para el ejercicio de toda
>>>>>>> función pública.

>>>>> The Honduran constitution requires the revocation of the
>>>>> citizenship of anyone who promotes the abolition of the
>>>>> presidential term limit:

>>>>>> ARTICLE 42. - The quality of citizen is lost: ... 5. To urge, to
>>>>>> promote or to support the continuismo or the re-election of the
>>>>>> President of the Republic;

>>>>>> ARTICULO 42.- La calidad de ciudadano se pierde: ... 5. Por
>>>>>> incitar, promover o apoyar el continuismo o la reelección del
>>>>>> Presidente de la República; y,

>>>>> The Honduran constitution may not be changed to abolish the
>>>>> presidential term limit:

>>>>>> ARTICLE 374. - They will not be able to reform, in any case, the
>>>>>> previous article, the present article, the constitutional articles
>>>>>> that talk about the form of government, to the national territory,
>>>>>> the presidential period, the prohibition to be again President of
>>>>>> the Republic, the citizen has carried out who it under any title
>>>>>> and the referring one to those who cannot be Presidents of the
>>>>>> Republic by the subsequent period.

>>>>>> ARTICULO 374.- No podrán reformarse, en ningún caso, el artículo
>>>>>> anterior, el presente artículo, los artículos constitucionales que
>>>>>> se refieren a la forma de gobierno, al territorio nacional, al
>>>>>> período presidencial, a la prohibición para ser nuevamente
>>>>>> Presidente de la República, el ciudadano que lo haya desempeñado
>>>>>> bajo cualquier título y el referente a quienes no pueden ser
>>>>>> Presidentes de la República por el período subsiguiente.

>>>> The Honduran constitution assigns the armed forces to maintain the
>>>> alternation of the Presidency:

>>>>> ARTICLE 272. - The Armed Forces of Honduras, are a National
>>>>> Institution of permanent, professional, non-political, obedient and
>>>>> essentially nondeliberative character. They are constituted to
>>>>> defend territorial integrity and the sovereignty of the Republic,
>>>>> to maintain La Paz, the public order and the empire of the
>>>>> Constitution, the principles of free suffrage and the
>>>>> alternabilidad in the exercise of the Presidency of the Republic.
>>>>> They will cooperate with the National Police in the Conservation of
>>>>> the public order.

>>>>> ARTICULO 272.- Las Fuerzas Armadas de Honduras, son una Institución
>>>>> Nacional de carácter permanente, esencialmente profesional,
>>>>> apolítica, obediente y no deliberante.

>>>>> Se constituyen para defender la integridad territorial y la
>>>>> soberanía de la República, mantener la paz, el orden público y el
>>>>> imperio de la Constitución, los principios de libre sufragio y la
>>>>> alternabilidad en el ejercicio de la Presidencia de la República.

>>>>> Cooperarán con la Policía Nacional en la Conservación del orden
>>>>> público.

>>>> Obviously there is hardly a greater taboo in the Honduran
>>>> constitution than a president serving more than one term.

>>> The Honudran Constitution defines infractions against the
>>> alternability of the presidency as treason against the country:

>> The plebiscite was perfectly legal.  The coup was not.

>    Really Jeff? Illegal? So you are saying that a president CANNOT under
> ANY circumstances be IMPEACHED?

> You conveniently ignore that the
> Honduran Supreme Court deemed what Zelaya was doing was criminal,

> and
> that the Honduran legislature IMPEACHED him,

>  the Army just carried out
> the decision after Zelaya refused to give up the office.  THAT seems
> legal to me. Unless you are a fan of people who not only PROCLAIM
> themselves "PRESIDENT FOR LIFE" but begin to act in DICTATORIAL ways.
> Maybe you LIKE living in a dictatorship. Apparently the people of
> Honduras DON'T!

krp wrote:

> "Jeffrey Turner" <jtur...@localnet.com> wrote in message
> news:csSdnWspAdRsidDXnZ2dnUVZ_opi4p2d@posted.localnet...

>> The odd thing, and a fact that hasn’t made it into a lot of press
>> accounts or snap judgments about the situation, is that the language in
>> question is not about re-election, but rather would have asked whether
>> or not the public wanted to have a referendum in November about whether
>> or not to call a constitutional convention to write a new constitution.
>> As such, it is unclear to me at the moment why the accusation was that
>> Zelaya was seeking immediate re-election, as even if his plebiscite had
>> been approved, I cannot see how it would have led to be him being on the
>> ballot in November (which is when the next presidential term, which
>> starts in January, is set to be filled). I will continue to research
>> that issue.

>> http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/more_on_the_honduran_crisis/

>> Once again the wingnuts oppose democracy and the civilized world.

>    Zelaya wanted to follow in the footsteps of his mentors, Castro and
> Chavez to seek the office of President for life. I suggest you study
> Cuba and Venezuela for a CLUE as to the real significance of what Zelaya
> was trying to do.  Works when you walk in knowing you have the mechanism
> to get 98% of the vote. This is "democracy" in your opinion? Ask the
> people of Cuba and Venezuela about THEIR democracy. You might get an
> answer when they stop laughing at the FOOL who asked the question.

Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> -Ramon (from Barquisimeto, Venezuela)

"Jeffrey Turner" <jtur...@localnet.com> wrote in message

>>>> The Honudran Constitution defines infractions against the alternability
>>>> of the presidency as treason against the country:

>>> The plebiscite was perfectly legal.  The coup was not.

>>    Really Jeff? Illegal? So you are saying that a president CANNOT under
>> ANY circumstances be IMPEACHED?
> A coup isn't impeachment, fascist.

>> You conveniently ignore that the  Honduran Supreme Court deemed what
>> Zelaya was doing was criminal,
> No they didn't.

>> and  that the Honduran legislature IMPEACHED him,
> No they didn't.

>>  the Army just carried out
>> the decision after Zelaya refused to give up the office.  THAT seems
>> legal to me. Unless you are a fan of people who not only PROCLAIM
>> themselves "PRESIDENT FOR LIFE" but begin to act in DICTATORIAL ways.
>> Maybe you LIKE living in a dictatorship. Apparently the people of
>> Honduras DON'T!

> You're a lying fascist.

"Jeffrey Turner" <jtur...@localnet.com> wrote in message

>>    Zelaya wanted to follow in the footsteps of his mentors, Castro and
>> Chavez to seek the office of President for life. I suggest you study Cuba
>> and Venezuela for a CLUE as to the real significance of what Zelaya was
>> trying to do.  Works when you walk in knowing you have the mechanism to
>> get 98% of the vote. This is "democracy" in your opinion? Ask the people
>> of Cuba and Venezuela about THEIR democracy. You might get an answer when
>> they stop laughing at the FOOL who asked the question.

> You're delusional.

krp wrote:
> "Jeffrey Turner" <jtur...@localnet.com> wrote:

>>>>> The Honudran Constitution defines infractions against the
>>>>> alternability of the presidency as treason against the country:

>>>> The plebiscite was perfectly legal.  The coup was not.

>>>    Really Jeff? Illegal? So you are saying that a president CANNOT
>>> under ANY circumstances be IMPEACHED?

>> A coup isn't impeachment, fascist.

>    So the VOTE of the Honduran legislature was a "COUP?"  The decision
> of the Supreme Court of Honduras a "coup?" The court found his actions
> vilated the nation's constitution and the Honduran Legislature voted
> impeachment. He refused to surrender his office. The military arrested
> him and booted him from the country, they COULD HAVE just shot him.

>>> You conveniently ignore that the  Honduran Supreme Court deemed what
>>> Zelaya was doing was criminal,

>> No they didn't.

>    Uh, YES, they did.

> http://zenpundit.com/?cat=583

> "With an arrest warrant from the Honduran Supreme Court (hat tip
> NYkrinDC), the Honduran military today removed from office President
> Manuel Zelaya, a political protege of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez,
> for proceeding with an illegal referendum designed to lay the groundwork
> for an unconstitutional additional term in office. Zeleya has been sent
> into exile in Costa Rica.

> Zelaya's referendum had been rejected by the Supreme Court, the Congress
> and even his own political party. Zelaya had ordered the military to
> support the referendum, when Army chief  Gen Romeo Vasquez refused,
> Zelaya attempted to fire him and subsequently took possession of the
> ballots by leading a large crowd of supporters to a military base where
> they had been impounded."

>    Is it that YOU v iew using the MILITARY to "ENFORCE" the political
> will of "El Presidente" is Democratic? That voting to make him
> "PRESIDENT FOR LIFE" under the guns of the military is how YOU see a
> democratic process working?

>>> and  that the Honduran legislature IMPEACHED him,

>> No they didn't.

>    YES they did!

>>>  the Army just carried out
>>> the decision after Zelaya refused to give up the office.  THAT seems
>>> legal to me. Unless you are a fan of people who not only PROCLAIM
>>> themselves "PRESIDENT FOR LIFE" but begin to act in DICTATORIAL ways.
>>> Maybe you LIKE living in a dictatorship. Apparently the people of
>>> Honduras DON'T!

>> You're a lying fascist.

>    Easy to call names. I bet YOU think Chavez and Castro are Democrats too.

>    There are some people who believe that being "democratically elected"
> does NOT confer on a president the mantle of absolute power.  Both Fidel
> Castro

> and Hugo Chavez were democratically elected. I might mention that
> Kim Il Jung of North Korea also was,

> as was Josef Stalin,

> Pol Pot and

> Adolph Hitler, with some minor thugs like Saddam Hussein and Iran's
> Achmadinejad. Being elected does NOT mean you can get to do whatever you
> want. Except perhaps in YOUR beliefs.

> Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> > On Jul 2, 11:20 pm, Jeffrey Turner <jtur...@localnet.com> wrote:
> >> Matt wrote:
> >>> Matt wrote:
> >>>> Matt wrote:
> >>>>> Matt wrote:
> >>>>>> babelfish translation:
> >>>>>>> ARTICLE 239. - The citizen who has carried out the ownership of the
> >>>>>>> Executive authority could not be President or Vice-president of the
> >>>>>>> Republic. The one that break this disposition or propose its
> >>>>>>> reform, as well as those supports that it direct or indirectly,
> >>>>>>> will stop immediately in the performance of their respective
> >>>>>>> positions and will be disqualified by ten (10) years for the
> >>>>>>> exercise of all public function.
> >>>>>>> ARTICLE 239 .- The citizen who has ownership of the executive
> >>>>>>> branch may not be President or Vice President of the Republic.
> >>>>>>> Anyone who violates this provision or the proposed reform, and
> >>>>>>> support those who directly or indirectly, immediately cease the
> >>>>>>> discharge of their duties and shall be disqualified for ten (10)
> >>>>>>> years to exercise any public function.
> >>>>>>http://pdba.georgetown.edu/Constitutions/Honduras/hond05.html
> >>>>>>> ARTICULO 239.- El ciudadano que haya desempeñado la titularidad del
> >>>>>>> Poder Ejecutivo no podrá ser Presidente o Vicepresidente de la
> >>>>>>> República.
> >>>>>>> El que quebrante esta disposición o proponga su reforma, así como
> >>>>>>> aquellos que lo apoyen directa o indirectamente, cesarán de
> >>>>>>> inmediato en el desempeño de sus respectivos cargos y quedarán
> >>>>>>> inhabilitados por diez (10) años para el ejercicio de toda función
> >>>>>>> pública.
> >>>>> The Honduran constitution requires the revocation of the citizenship
> >>>>> of anyone who promotes the abolition of the presidential term limit:
> >>>>>> ARTICLE 42. - The quality of citizen is lost: ... 5. To urge, to
> >>>>>> promote or to support the continuismo or the re-election of the
> >>>>>> President of the Republic;
> >>>>>> ARTICULO 42.- La calidad de ciudadano se pierde: ... 5. Por incitar,
> >>>>>> promover o apoyar el continuismo o la reelección del Presidente de
> >>>>>> la República; y,
> >>>>> The Honduran constitution may not be changed to abolish the
> >>>>> presidential term limit:
> >>>>>> ARTICLE 374. - They will not be able to reform, in any case, the
> >>>>>> previous article, the present article, the constitutional articles
> >>>>>> that talk about the form of government, to the national territory,
> >>>>>> the presidential period, the prohibition to be again President of
> >>>>>> the Republic, the citizen has carried out who it under any title and
> >>>>>> the referring one to those who cannot be Presidents of the Republic
> >>>>>> by the subsequent period.
> >>>>>> ARTICULO 374.- No podrán reformarse, en ningún caso, el artículo
> >>>>>> anterior, el presente artículo, los artículos constitucionales que
> >>>>>> se refieren a la forma de gobierno, al territorio nacional, al
> >>>>>> período presidencial, a la prohibición para ser nuevamente
> >>>>>> Presidente de la República, el ciudadano que lo haya desempeñado
> >>>>>> bajo cualquier título y el referente a quienes no pueden ser
> >>>>>> Presidentes de la República por el período subsiguiente.
> >>>> The Honduran constitution assigns the armed forces to maintain the
> >>>> alternation of the Presidency:
> >>>>> ARTICLE 272. - The Armed Forces of Honduras, are a National
> >>>>> Institution of permanent, professional, non-political, obedient and
> >>>>> essentially nondeliberative character. They are constituted to defend
> >>>>> territorial integrity and the sovereignty of the Republic, to
> >>>>> maintain La Paz, the public order and the empire of the Constitution,
> >>>>> the principles of free suffrage and the alternabilidad in the
> >>>>> exercise of the Presidency of the Republic. They will cooperate with
> >>>>> the National Police in the Conservation of the public order.
> >>>>> ARTICULO 272.- Las Fuerzas Armadas de Honduras, son una Institución
> >>>>> Nacional de carácter permanente, esencialmente profesional,
> >>>>> apolítica, obediente y no deliberante.
> >>>>> Se constituyen para defender la integridad territorial y la soberanía
> >>>>> de la República, mantener la paz, el orden público y el imperio de la
> >>>>> Constitución, los principios de libre sufragio y la alternabilidad en
> >>>>> el ejercicio de la Presidencia de la República.
> >>>>> Cooperarán con la Policía Nacional en la Conservación del orden público.
> >>>> Obviously there is hardly a greater taboo in the Honduran constitution
> >>>> than a president serving more than one term.
> >>> The Honudran Constitution defines infractions against the alternability
> >>> of the presidency as treason against the country:

> >  > The plebiscite was perfectly legal.  The coup was not.

> >  > --Jeff

> > In reference to the plebiscite, you have no idea what you are talking
> > about, Jeff.

> > For starters, there was never a plebiscite. Watch CNN en Español.

> Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> > -Ramon (from Barquisimeto, Venezuela)

> Curious ... were you born in Venezuela, if you don't mind answering?

krp wrote:

> "Jeffrey Turner" <jtur...@localnet.com> wrote in message
> news:3PmdnS9axcBUxtPXnZ2dnUVZ_rxi4p2d@posted.localnet...

>>>    Zelaya wanted to follow in the footsteps of his mentors, Castro
>>> and Chavez to seek the office of President for life. I suggest you
>>> study Cuba and Venezuela for a CLUE as to the real significance of
>>> what Zelaya was trying to do.  Works when you walk in knowing you
>>> have the mechanism to get 98% of the vote. This is "democracy" in
>>> your opinion? Ask the people of Cuba and Venezuela about THEIR
>>> democracy. You might get an answer when they stop laughing at the
>>> FOOL who asked the question.

>> You're delusional.

>    Really? Be specific. About what? That Zeleya was CLOSE CLOSE buddies
> with the Castros and Chavez? Are you claiming that isn't true? Are you
> claiming that the "REFERENDUM" that Zeleya sought was to make him
> "President for life?" Or do you wish to debate with me that Cuba and
> Venezuela are great democracies? PICK one or all to to joust with me about.

> krp wrote:

> > "Jeffrey Turner" <jtur...@localnet.com> wrote in message
> >news:3PmdnS9axcBUxtPXnZ2dnUVZ_rxi4p2d@posted.localnet...

> >>>    Zelaya wanted to follow in the footsteps of his mentors, Castro
> >>> and Chavez to seek the office of President for life. I suggest you
> >>> study Cuba and Venezuela for a CLUE as to the real significance of
> >>> what Zelaya was trying to do.  Works when you walk in knowing you
> >>> have the mechanism to get 98% of the vote. This is "democracy" in
> >>> your opinion? Ask the people of Cuba and Venezuela about THEIR
> >>> democracy. You might get an answer when they stop laughing at the
> >>> FOOL who asked the question.

> >> You're delusional.

> >    Really? Be specific. About what? That Zeleya was CLOSE CLOSE buddies
> > with the Castros and Chavez? Are you claiming that isn't true? Are you
> > claiming that the "REFERENDUM" that Zeleya sought was to make him
> > "President for life?" Or do you wish to debate with me that Cuba and
> > Venezuela are great democracies? PICK one or all to to joust with me about.

> Only pathetic, anti-democratic fascists were worried that the people of
> Honduras would vote themselves a dictator.  Venezuela isn't a
> dictatorship, despite the fact that they don't want a right-wing
> government.  The right-wing was worried that the new Honduran
> constitution might be more democratic.  The right-wing hates democracy.