Georgia Mom Guns Down Intruder, Saves Children

[Steve]

Canyon Note: <LOL> Another case of where breaking and entering can
become a capital offense. If he survives, he won't be very pretty.

A Georgia mother gunned down an intruder who broke into her home as
her children hid in a crawlspace. “She fired all six shots,” the
sheriff told television station WAGA. Five of the bullets hit Paul
Ali Slater in the face and neck area.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/georgia-mom-guns-down-intruder-saves-children.html


The entire leftist agenda revolves around the ridiculous premise that they
have a right to be taken care of by other persons.

[Obama Phone]

On Jan 5, 8:46 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> Canyon Note:  <LOL>  Another case of where breaking and entering can
> become a capital offense.  If he survives, he won't be very pretty.
>
> A Georgia mother gunned down an intruder who broke into her home as
> her children hid in a crawlspace.  “She fired all six shots,” the
> sheriff told television station WAGA.  Five of the bullets hit Paul
> Ali Slater in the face and neck area.
>

> http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/georgia-mom-guns-dow...

>
> The entire leftist agenda revolves around the ridiculous premise that they
> have a right to be taken care of by other persons.

Don't expect any acknowledgement from the leftist deniers here on
usenet. In their California view. This woman escalated the
confrontation to deadly force by "standing her ground" and protecting
her children. When what she should have done was call the police.

Or as we like to say here in Tampa. I'd prefer my wife explained to
the jury why she shot the intruder, then explain to the jury how she
was raped, beaten, stabbed and left for dead in front of her children.

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On Jan 5, 7:46 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:

> The entire leftist agenda revolves around the premise that

> they have a right to be taken care of by other persons.

You are a VERY confused leftist.

-Ramon

[Steve]

On Sat, 5 Jan 2013 06:24:09 -0800 (PST), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:

>On Jan 5, 7:46 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>
> > The entire leftist agenda revolves around the premise that
> > they have a right to be taken care of by other persons.
>

>I am a VERY confused leftist.
>
>-Ramon
>

Indeed...

[Obama Phone]

Ramonsito is my byyyyitch

[anal...@hotmail.com]

On Jan 5, 8:46 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> Canyon Note:  <LOL>  Another case of where breaking and entering can
> become a capital offense.  If he survives, he won't be very pretty.
>
> A Georgia mother gunned down an intruder who broke into her home as
> her children hid in a crawlspace.  “She fired all six shots,” the
> sheriff told television station WAGA.  Five of the bullets hit Paul
> Ali Slater in the face and neck area.
>

> http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/georgia-mom-guns-dow...

>
> The entire leftist agenda revolves around the ridiculous premise that they
> have a right to be taken care of by other persons.

OK thats a good outcome (these seem to happen only in the South).

It has to be balanced against the whole picture - do a google search
for "father mistakenly shoots son".

I don't think anybody wants to restrict firearms that never leave the
home and are kept only for defense againt intruders (it is still a
sign of a sick society but thats another issue).

Once there is universal firearm liability insurance, the first thing
that will happen is that high firepower "manhood enhancers" would
become too expensive for bubba. Those who feel safer with a firearm
in their home should be able to afford a handgun and that ought to be
that.

[Mitchell Holman]

Florida mother in hospital after killing her 6-month-old son
5 January 2013

A 20-year-old Florida woman is in a critical condition
in hospital after turning a gun on herself moments after
shooting dead her six-month-old baby. A handgun was
recovered from the scene.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2257409/Florida-mother-Melanie-
Reyes-critical-killing-baby-son-murder-suicide-warned-
Facebook.html#ixzz2H7LeIrln

[Kicking Ass and Taking Names]

Are you sure the 6-month-old was her son? He could have been an
inturder and she was "standing her ground."

[Steve]

On Sat, 5 Jan 2013 07:57:36 -0800 (PST), "anal...@hotmail.com"
<anal...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Jan 5, 8:46�am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> Canyon Note: �<LOL> �Another case of where breaking and entering can
>> become a capital offense. �If he survives, he won't be very pretty.
>>
>> A Georgia mother gunned down an intruder who broke into her home as
>> her children hid in a crawlspace. ��She fired all six shots,� the
>> sheriff told television station WAGA. �Five of the bullets hit Paul
>> Ali Slater in the face and neck area.
>>
>> http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/georgia-mom-guns-dow...
>>
>> The entire leftist agenda revolves around the ridiculous premise that they
>> have a right to be taken care of by other persons.
>
>OK thats a good outcome (these seem to happen only in the South).
>
>It has to be balanced against the whole picture - do a google search
>for "father mistakenly shoots son".

Different incident altogether.. doesn't have to be <LOL> "balanced"
at all.

>I don't think anybody wants to restrict firearms that never leave the
>home and are kept only for defense againt intruders (it is still a
>sign of a sick society but thats another issue).
>
>Once there is universal firearm liability insurance, the first thing

<CHUCKLE> Not a chance...

[Steve]

On Sat, 5 Jan 2013 07:57:36 -0800 (PST), "anal...@hotmail.com"
<anal...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Jan 5, 8:46�am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> Canyon Note: �<LOL> �Another case of where breaking and entering can
>> become a capital offense. �If he survives, he won't be very pretty.
>>
>> A Georgia mother gunned down an intruder who broke into her home as
>> her children hid in a crawlspace. ��She fired all six shots,� the
>> sheriff told television station WAGA. �Five of the bullets hit Paul
>> Ali Slater in the face and neck area.
>>
>> http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/georgia-mom-guns-dow...
>>
>> The entire leftist agenda revolves around the ridiculous premise that they
>> have a right to be taken care of by other persons.
>
>OK thats a good outcome (these seem to happen only in the South).
>
>It has to be balanced against the whole picture - do a google search
>for "father mistakenly shoots son".

Different incident. The "mom shoots intruder" incident need only be
"balanced" against whet might have happened had she not had the gun.

>I don't think anybody wants to restrict firearms that never leave the
>home and are kept only for defense againt intruders (it is still a
>sign of a sick society but thats another issue).
>
>Once there is universal firearm liability insurance, the first thing

<CHUCKLE> Not a chance..

[Kicking Ass and Taking Names]

Not that the facts will make any difference, but, here you go,
asshole.

I'm a liberal Democrat, always have been, always will be. I believe
"gun control" means hitting the Republican at whom you are aiming.

I own guns. Lots of them . . . two gun safes plus the guns that stay
in my three vehicles. I hunt, shoot, reload my own ammo. Next
Christmas when my grandson is 6 years old, I'll give him his first gun
. . . a single-shot .22.

I keep guns around for home defense . . . pump shotgun loaded with #7,
#4 and #0. If you are interested, I'll tell you why the variety of
loads.

The "leftist agenda" as you call it is based on the premise that
people should be free to do as they please as long as their actions do
not endanger others.

If you want to keep guns all over the place, fine. If those guns do
as they did in this case, fine. But IN MOST CASES, GUNS IN THE HOME
KILL OR INJURE INNOCENT PEOPLE, MOST OFTEN FAMILY MEMBERS.

[Yak]

Yeah...and???

[Steve]

On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 10:08:53 -0600, Mitchell Holman
<nomailverizon.net> wrote:

>
>
>
>

>Florida mother in hospital after killing her 6-month-old son
>5 January 2013
>
>A 20-year-old Florida woman is in a critical condition
>in hospital after turning a gun on herself moments after
>shooting dead her six-month-old baby. A handgun was
>recovered from the scene.
>

How many different ways can a woman kill her baby?

[Ramon F Herrera]

On Jan 5, 7:46 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:

> The entire leftist agenda revolves around the ridiculous
> premise that they have a right to be taken care of by
> other persons.

"The Seven Habits of Highly Ineffective Conservative bloggers and
Internet Commentators"

"3) Tell your liberal readers what they believe. As soon as someone
starts explaining to you what he thinks is really in the health care
reform law, remind him that he and all of his friends want to a
government bureaucracy that will dictate which doctors you can visit.
Tell him that he is an atheist, a baby killer, an open borders and a
communist. If he says he doesn't like FOX, remind him that he and all
of his liberal friends want a return to the Fairness Doctrine. Chances
are he doesn't know what the Fairness Doctrine is, since it hasn't
been law for years!"

http://tinyurl.com/auxcdke

-Ramon

[Bert]

In
news:d90b45c3-83ba-4cc5...@b11g2000yqh.googlegroups.com

"anal...@hotmail.com" <anal...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> It has to be balanced against the whole picture - do a google search
> for "father mistakenly shoots son".

How does an accident "balance" an incident where someone saves their
life and the lives of their children?

--
be...@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN

[FirstPost]

On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 11:59:40 -0500, Steve <steven...@yahooooo.com>
wrote:

Ask Andrea Yates

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/women/andrea_yates/index.html

Wonder why the left didn't come out screaming to ban bathtubs after
that?

[FirstPost]

As usual Ramon has no response to the subject so they go off tangent
making another of their imbecillic irrelevant rants.
Business as usual.

[FirstPost]

On Sat, 5 Jan 2013 17:13:14 +0000 (UTC), Bert <be...@iphouse.com>
wrote:

Remember the liberal mindset.
Better to let criminals murder innocents than take even the slightest
chance that someone may have an accident.
Of course by that same reasoning they should be against cars, knives,
anything made of glass, bathtubs, swimming pools etc etc.

On one of the news sites under the comments section after yjr article
about the above incident a reader actually posted that "the mother
still should not have had the gun because she COULD have just as
easily injured one of her children.

Show the idiots proof of your point and they will inevitably start
babbling about what might have happened instead of what actually did
happen.

[Liberals are VERMIN]

On Jan 5, 8:46 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> Canyon Note:  <LOL>  Another case of where breaking and entering can
> become a capital offense.  If he survives, he won't be very pretty.
>
> A Georgia mother gunned down an intruder who broke into her home as
> her children hid in a crawlspace.  “She fired all six shots,” the
> sheriff told television station WAGA.  Five of the bullets hit Paul
> Ali Slater in the face and neck area.
>

> http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/georgia-mom-guns-dow...

>
> The entire leftist agenda revolves around the ridiculous premise that they
> have a right to be taken care of by other persons.

Laugh of the day.

[Marvin the Martian]

Democrats wanted for her and her children to be raped and murdered. The
way it is supposed to work, according the Democrats, is that she calls
9-11, the cops come by after she and her kids are dead, and then the cops
taser and arrest the neighbor for videoing them from his own front yard.

[Marvin the Martian]

"Confused leftist" is redundant.

He's a very realistic right winger.

[anal...@hotmail.com]

On Jan 5, 12:13 pm, Bert <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:
> Innews:d90b45c3-83ba-4cc5...@b11g2000yqh.googlegroups.com

>
> "analys...@hotmail.com" <analys...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > It has to be balanced against the whole picture - do a google search
> > for "father mistakenly shoots son".
>
> How does an accident "balance" an incident where someone saves their
> life and the lives of their children?
>
> --

> b...@iphouse.com      St. Paul, MN

Guns victimize the totally innocent in a spectacular way.

Even guns kept at home for protection, while effectve in some cases,
may be harmful to society as a whole. http://ajl.sagepub.com/content/5/6/502

"This article summarizes the scientific literature on the health risks
and benefits of having a gun in the home for the gun owner and his/her
family. For most contemporary Americans, scientific studies indicate
that the health risk of a gun in the home is greater than the benefit.
The evidence is overwhelming for the fact that a gun in the home is a
risk factor for completed suicide and that gun accidents are most
likely to occur in homes with guns. There is compelling evidence that
a gun in the home is a risk factor for intimidation and for killing
women in their homes. On the benefit side, there are fewer studies,
and there is no credible evidence of a deterrent effect of firearms or
that a gun in the home reduces the likelihood or severity of injury
during an altercation or break-in. Thus, groups such as the American
Academy of Pediatrics urge parents not to have guns in the home."

[Enraged Apostate, World Citizen]

Steve <steven...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sat 05 Jan 2013 03:46:46p

>
> Canyon Note: <LOL> Another case of where breaking and entering can
> become a capital offense. If he survives, he won't be very pretty.

I can understand why you don't post the stories where the person lying dead
was packing* but the bad guy got him anyway....you don't want to spam the
newsgroups.

What's worse, you'd be posting all day stories where the gun in the house was
used against someone who is a resident of the house by someone who is also a
resident of that house.... yeah, I know, spamming the newsgroups





* "packing" means having a weapon for self-defense either on one's person or
who is a homeowner and keeps a gun at home to deal with bad guys



--
The Enraged Apostate

Right-wing talking points show a popular appeal in
the same way that trainwrecks are morbidly fascinating.
But soon after the desire to be horrified at the spectacle passes,
the realization soon follows that it is all an ugly, bloody mess,
and it will only be cleaned up with leftist methods and a liberal in charge.

[David Hartung]

On 01/05/2013 12:21 PM, Enraged Apostate, World Citizen wrote:
> Steve <steven...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sat 05 Jan 2013 03:46:46p
>
>>
>> Canyon Note: <LOL> Another case of where breaking and entering can
>> become a capital offense. If he survives, he won't be very pretty.
>
> I can understand why you don't post the stories where the person lying dead
> was packing* but the bad guy got him anyway....you don't want to spam the
> newsgroups.
>
> What's worse, you'd be posting all day stories where the gun in the house was
> used against someone who is a resident of the house by someone who is also a
> resident of that house.... yeah, I know, spamming the newsgroups

So why don't you find and post these stories?

[Warren Penn]

Dead ghetto rats and mestizoes are positives.

[Marvin the Martian]

The understanding that liberals believe they have a right to be taken
care of by government (others) comes from the way they vote and the way
their caretakers speak of them; for example, Pelosi's 2006 idiotic
statement that "we don't need god anymore, you have us Democrats".

If you haven't noticed that, then you're not very intelligent.

[Bert]

In news:7af4199f-d7f9-40f4...@b8g2000yqh.googlegroups.com

"anal...@hotmail.com" <anal...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 5, 12:13 pm, Bert <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:
>> Innews:d90b45c3-83ba-4cc5...@b11g2000yqh.googlegroups.c
>> om
>>
>> "analys...@hotmail.com" <analys...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > It has to be balanced against the whole picture - do a google
>> > search for "father mistakenly shoots son".
>>
>> How does an accident "balance" an incident where someone saves their
>> life and the lives of their children?
>

> Guns victimize the totally innocent in a spectacular way.

All by themselves? Really?

> Even guns kept at home for protection, while effectve in some cases,
> may be harmful to society as a whole.
> http://ajl.sagepub.com/content/5/6/502

Oh. You cite Hemmenway and expect to be taken seriously.

Never mind.

[Enraged Apostate, World Citizen]

David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote on Sat 05 Jan 2013 08:34:16p

No minds will be changed.

Which reveals the inanity of this imbecile for posting the more-rare-than-
the-passing-of-Halley's-comet story about a gun used to stop a home
invasion. Is he posting to (re-)convince himself?

[Steve]

On Sat, 5 Jan 2013 21:35:48 +0000 (UTC), "Enraged Apostate, World
Citizen" <Finding...@Every.Opportunity.invalid> wrote:

>David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote on Sat 05 Jan 2013 08:34:16p
>
>> On 01/05/2013 12:21 PM, Enraged Apostate, World Citizen wrote:
>>> Steve <steven...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sat 05 Jan 2013 03:46:46p
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Canyon Note: <LOL> Another case of where breaking and entering can
>>>> become a capital offense. If he survives, he won't be very pretty.
>>>
>>> I can understand why you don't post the stories where the person lying
>>> dead was packing* but the bad guy got him anyway....you don't want to
>>> spam the newsgroups.
>>>
>>> What's worse, you'd be posting all day stories where the gun in the
>>> house was used against someone who is a resident of the house by
>>> someone who is also a resident of that house.... yeah, I know,
>>> spamming the newsgroups
>>
>> So why don't you find and post these stories?

They're pretty hard to find...

>No minds will be changed.

Of course not.. It's only you leftists who wet their pants at the
thought of defending yourselves.

>Which reveals the inanity of this imbecile for posting the more-rare-than-
>the-passing-of-Halley's-comet story about a gun used to stop a home
>invasion. Is he posting to (re-)convince himself?

Actually, I posted it just so I see your nonsensical, knee jerk
response. You did not disappoint.

[Steve]

It's only guns that makes them wet their pants.

[Steve]

On Sat, 5 Jan 2013 18:21:13 +0000 (UTC), "Enraged Apostate, World
Citizen" <Finding...@Every.Opportunity.invalid> wrote:

>Steve <steven...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sat 05 Jan 2013 03:46:46p
>
>>
>> Canyon Note: <LOL> Another case of where breaking and entering can
>> become a capital offense. If he survives, he won't be very pretty.
>
>I can understand why you don't post the stories where the person lying dead
>was packing* but the bad guy got him anyway....you don't want to spam the
>newsgroups.

<SHRUG> Sometimes the bad guy wins...

>What's worse, you'd be posting all day stories where the gun in the house was
>used against someone who is a resident of the house by someone who is also a
>resident of that house.... yeah, I know, spamming the newsgroups

Pretty rare...

[Marvin the Martian]

Most leftist don't know what a bathtub is.

They know what a gun is - they've seen 'em on the TV while they sit
waiting for their unemployment check as they sit in their mom's basement.

[Steve]

<LOL>

[Harriette R. Patrick]

'Lickin' Ass and Fakin' Military Service' is a Proven Fraud, a Proven
Liar, a Proven Thief, and recently a Proven Malicious Poster. She is
the most prolific liar in this newsgroup and also the most prolific
thief of other's writings. She is also a Stolen Valor stain on
America.

'Lickin' Ass and Fakin' Military Service' IS the Democratic Party in
America. She is an admitted election official in VA. This is proof
positive that DemocRATs are the party of Liars, Frauds & Thieves.

Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you encourage them to
continue lying.

[][][][][][]


The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 06:46:05 -0400, Kicking Ass and Takin' Names
<PopUl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>You do know that Cruz's major donor and boy friend is an openly gay
>guy from San Francisco?

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cruz'a major donor was Club for Growth ($582,987)
http://www.opensecrets.org/races/contrib.php?cycle=2012&id=TXS2

Club for Growth 2012 donations:
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?cycle=2012&id=D000000763

2012 Total: $2,332,702
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/totals.php?id=D000000763&cycle=2012

Posted from:
The DemocRATs Hall of Shame!
http://www.democrathallofshame.com/

[Hortencia Jammie Macias]

Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you

encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:26:20 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>We can have an idea how far (read: unconstitutional) the pending AZ
>law is, by noticing that Marco -a guy who has criticized RONALD REAGAN
>as being soft on immigration- is against the racially-profiling
>legislation.
>http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/27/rubio-criticizes-controversial-arizona-immigration-law
>http://tinyurl.com/2ct4enc

Oops! Caught LYING, again:

"He did not say outright whether he opposes or supports the bill."

[Cathryn Forney]

Mitchel is a far-left liar, but usually runs away after a few days of
being slapped around. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you

encourage them to continue lying.

[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:03:42 -0500, Mitchell Holman
<nom...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Steve from Colorado <gas...@hushmail.com> wrote in
>news:94b0aae8-946e-4fde...@34g2000pru.googlegroups.com:
>> Arizona House OKs Bill on State Guard
>> http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/politics/state_politics/arizona-ho
>> use-oks-bill-on-state-guard-apx-04192011
>> PHOENIX - The Arizona House has approved a bill that would give the
>> governor more authority to use a state military force aside from the
>> National Guard.
>> The bill allows the governor to establish a new military force for any
>> reason the governor sees as necessary.
> So "smaller government" conservatives are pushing
>to make "big government" even bigger.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Bill DOES NOT make FEDERAL gov't bigger.............

[Penelope Twila James]

'Lickin' Ass and Fakin' Military Service' is a Proven Fraud, a Proven
Liar, a Proven Thief, and recently a Proven Malicious Poster. She is
the most prolific liar in this newsgroup and also the most prolific
thief of other's writings. She is also a Stolen Valor stain on
America.

'Lickin' Ass and Fakin' Military Service' IS the Democratic Party in
America. She is an admitted election official in VA. This is proof
positive that DemocRATs are the party of Liars, Frauds & Thieves.

Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you encourage them to
continue lying.

[][][][][][]


The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 21:49:06 -0400, Kicking Ass and Takin' Names
<PopUl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Re: How did Willard get $100 MILLION in his IRA when annual
>contributions are capped at $6,000?
>http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/mitt-romney-ira-taxes-retirement.php
>IRAs are intended to allow workers to put away modest sums of money
>each year in order to help finance a middle class retirement. The
>savings are tax deferred, but there’s a legal limit — now $6,000 — on
>how much each IRA holder can contribute annually.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Romney may have made use of an Internal Revenue Service loophole that
allows investors to undervalue interests in investment partnerships
when first putting them into an IRA. These assets can produce returns
far in excess of those that could be generated from other investments
made at the capped level.

An investor could even set an initial value for a partnership interest
at zero dollars, because under tax regulations an interest in a
partnership represents future income, not current value, said Chris
Sanchirico, co-director of the Center for Tax Law and Policy at the
University of Pennsylvania Law School.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/24/us-usa-campaign-romney-ira-idUSTRE80N04E20120124

[Adriane Mcbee]

Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and

works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you

encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

[][][][][][]

The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:14:15 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
<gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote:
> Message-ID: <879f0a55-a0ff-43e9...@p17g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>
>Nobody would deny me the chance to rehabilitate myself. Look at
>Martha Stewart, illegal stock trader,

LIAR!!

"convicted of lying to investigators about a stock sale and served
five months in prison."

[David Hartung]

On 01/05/2013 03:35 PM, Enraged Apostate, World Citizen wrote:
> David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote on Sat 05 Jan 2013 08:34:16p
>
>> On 01/05/2013 12:21 PM, Enraged Apostate, World Citizen wrote:
>>> Steve <steven...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sat 05 Jan 2013 03:46:46p
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Canyon Note: <LOL> Another case of where breaking and entering can
>>>> become a capital offense. If he survives, he won't be very pretty.
>>>
>>> I can understand why you don't post the stories where the person lying
>>> dead was packing* but the bad guy got him anyway....you don't want to
>>> spam the newsgroups.
>>>
>>> What's worse, you'd be posting all day stories where the gun in the
>>> house was used against someone who is a resident of the house by
>>> someone who is also a resident of that house.... yeah, I know,
>>> spamming the newsgroups
>>
>> So why don't you find and post these stories?
>
>
> No minds will be changed.
>
> Which reveals the inanity of this imbecile for posting the more-rare-than-
> the-passing-of-Halley's-comet story about a gun used to stop a home
> invasion. Is he posting to (re-)convince himself?

So we are supposed to take you at your word?

[Marvin the Martian]

You know that he's a dedicated liar. Why would you even suggest that
anyone take his word for anything more than shit?

http://gunssavelives.net/

Also, one of the NRA magazines publishes a list of stories each issue
where they list news stories where someone used a firearm to defend
themselves. IIRC, there are about a dozen or so each issue.

Once again, we prove that "Engraged" is a damned bald faced liar

[Enraged Apostate, World Citizen]

Steve <steven...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sun 06 Jan 2013 01:39:13a

> On Sat, 5 Jan 2013 21:35:48 +0000 (UTC), "Enraged Apostate, World
> Citizen" <Finding...@Every.Opportunity.invalid> wrote:
>
>>David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote on Sat 05 Jan 2013 08:34:16p
>>
>>> On 01/05/2013 12:21 PM, Enraged Apostate, World Citizen wrote:
>>>> Steve <steven...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sat 05 Jan 2013 03:46:46p
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Canyon Note: <LOL> Another case of where breaking and entering can
>>>>> become a capital offense. If he survives, he won't be very pretty.
>>>>
>>>> I can understand why you don't post the stories where the person lying
>>>> dead was packing* but the bad guy got him anyway....you don't want to
>>>> spam the newsgroups.
>>>>
>>>> What's worse, you'd be posting all day stories where the gun in the
>>>> house was used against someone who is a resident of the house by
>>>> someone who is also a resident of that house.... yeah, I know,
>>>> spamming the newsgroups
>>>
>>> So why don't you find and post these stories?
>
> They're pretty hard to find...
>
>>No minds will be changed.
>
> Of course not.. It's only you leftists who wet their pants at the
> thought of defending yourselves.

Here in a place we like to call The Civilized World, we do defend ourselves.

We have telecommunication devices (we call them "telephones"), and you
interface with these devices by entering a 3-digit numeric sequence (9-1-1).

Upon the activation of this sequence, the device then connects to a rapid
emergency response system. One of those components of the system we call a
"police force." It is this "police force" that provides us with the
defense.

I recommend it to you.

>>Which reveals the inanity of this imbecile for posting the more-rare-than-
>>the-passing-of-Halley's-comet story about a gun used to stop a home
>>invasion. Is he posting to (re-)convince himself?
>
> Actually, I posted it just so I see your nonsensical, knee jerk
> response. You did not disappoint.

I see, so you reply in this fashion, knowing that you have no refutation.

Another revelation of your inanity.

[Enraged Apostate, World Citizen]

David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote on Sun 06 Jan 2013 06:10:05a

Reasoning minds have been trying to educate in these newsgroups for countless
thousands of posts.

There is no reason to believe you will gain that ability in one more post.

Who's "we," by the way? You and your multiple personalities?

[Enraged Apostate, World Citizen]

Steve <steven...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sun 06 Jan 2013 01:39:12a

> On Sat, 5 Jan 2013 18:21:13 +0000 (UTC), "Enraged Apostate, World
> Citizen" <Finding...@Every.Opportunity.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Steve <steven...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sat 05 Jan 2013 03:46:46p
>>
>>>
>>> Canyon Note: <LOL> Another case of where breaking and entering can
>>> become a capital offense. If he survives, he won't be very pretty.
>>
>>I can understand why you don't post the stories where the person lying
>>dead was packing* but the bad guy got him anyway....you don't want to
>>spam the newsgroups.
>
> <SHRUG> Sometimes the bad guy wins...

Here's the problem that right-wing filth like yourself has with LOGIC.

* The bad guy already has in his plan to get the drop on you. Whether you
are carrying or within arms reach of that self-defense in the lamp table
drawer, you will not be able to use that weapon

* How about the case where the bad guy kills someone in the house next door
and you hear the shot? What's your next course of action? Are you going to
Rambo-Up, grab your gun, and be the cop with a brandished weapon going over
to your neighbor's house? Or are you going to be the smart guy, call 9-1-1,
and say you heard gunfire?

In 99.99999% of cases described by the two situations above, your gun serves
absolutely no purpose or use in stopping or apprehending the bad guy. You
are not a trained nor authorized law enforcement officer, and the office that
rolls up on to the scene seeing you with a gun on your allegedly law-abiding
person is going to be thinking "bad guy: blow him away."

In 40% of the cases of gun use, that gun will be used in a fit of rage by you
to blow away someone you know inside the house, and most likely a family
member.

In 85% of cases of gun use, that gun will be used by you to handle a personal
crisis in which you believe in the solution of taking yourself out of the
cruel world.

Guns AGGRAVATE situations...they don't make them better.



Now your ludicrous attempts to skirt this logic problem reduce the onlooker
to concluding that you are dense beyond belief, or that your denial is
intellectually dishonest subterfuge.

If you were truly stupid, and could not grasp the logic, then those schooling
you could forgive you for your being a retard.

But if you really do grasp the logic and pretend otherwise, then that only
makes you despicable.

In that event, stupid is better for you.

>
>>What's worse, you'd be posting all day stories where the gun in the
>>house was used against someone who is a resident of the house by someone
>>who is also a resident of that house.... yeah, I know, spamming the
>>newsgroups
>
> Pretty rare...
>
>>* "packing" means having a weapon for self-defense either on one's
>>person or who is a homeowner and keeps a gun at home to deal with bad
>>guys
>

[Enraged Apostate, World Citizen]

Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote on Sun 06 Jan 2013 06:31:45a

LOL!!!

You are talking about the "Armed Citizen" features. Knee slappers, every
one of them!! ROTFLMAO.

Did you know that when Penthouse had staff reductions, they let the fiction
writers of their Forum word porn go, and so they got jobs with the NRA.

Yup.

Gun porn at its finest.

[David Hartung]

The last time I had need to call 911, was for an auto accident, with an
injured driver. the accident blocked a lane of traffic and was about 50
yards south of a fire station. a full thirty minutes after I called in
the accident, the ambulance arrived and took the victim to the hospital.
The police took at least another 90 minutes to get there to get the road
cleared.

911 is a good idea, but very often all they do is arrive to slip the
bodies into a body bag.

[Info Junkie]

On Saturday, January 5, 2013 11:37:04 PM UTC-5, Enraged Apostate, World Citizen wrote:
> Steve <steven...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sun 06 Jan 2013 01:39:13a
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 5 Jan 2013 21:35:48 +0000 (UTC), "Enraged Apostate, World
>
> > Citizen" <Finding...@Every.Opportunity.invalid> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >>David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote on Sat 05 Jan 2013 08:34:16p
>
> >>
>
> >>> On 01/05/2013 12:21 PM, Enraged Apostate, World Citizen wrote:
>
> >>>> Steve <steven...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sat 05 Jan 2013 03:46:46p
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> Canyon Note: <LOL> Another case of where breaking and entering can
>
> >>>>> become a capital offense. If he survives, he won't be very pretty.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> I can understand why you don't post the stories where the person lying
>
> >>>> dead was packing* but the bad guy got him anyway....you don't want to
>
> >>>> spam the newsgroups.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> What's worse, you'd be posting all day stories where the gun in the
>
> >>>> house was used against someone who is a resident of the house by
>
> >>>> someone who is also a resident of that house.... yeah, I know,
>
> >>>> spamming the newsgroups
>
> >>>
>
> >>> So why don't you find and post these stories?
>
> >
>
> > They're pretty hard to find...
>
> >
>
> >>No minds will be changed.
>
> >
>
> > Of course not.. It's only you leftists who wet their pants at the
>
> > thought of defending yourselves.
>
>
>
> Here in a place we like to call The Civilized World, we do defend ourselves.
>
>
>
> We have telecommunication devices (we call them "telephones"), and you
>
> interface with these devices by entering a 3-digit numeric sequence (9-1-1).
>

"When seconds count the police are only minutes away" (author?)

How many 911 calls allowed police to respond before a victum had to defend themselves?

> Upon the activation of this sequence, the device then connects to a rapid
>
> emergency response system. One of those components of the system we call a
>
> "police force." It is this "police force" that provides us with the
>
> defense.

Here's an article you might even read....because it's from a liberal newspaper:

"The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm.."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html?_r=0

> I recommend it to you.
>

I'd recommend a weapon and the training to use it. OTOH, should an armed robber break into your home and threaten your life, feel free to see if he/she will allow you to call 911 so the police can come and "provide (you) with a defense"

[Robert Fitzgerald]

How is it that gun ownership in recent years went from 190 million owned
to over 300 million owned, and gun deaths dropped by 50% - even at a
greater rate than the increase in guns-owned? One would think it'd have
to be the other way if more guns means more accidents/deaths..

How is it almost every male under 30 in Switzerland has a full-auto
military rifle in their home, with lots of ammunition, and Switzerland
has a very low gun crime rate? Plus, most/many people there have
additional guns. Many over-30's also opt to keep their military rifles..
Shooting is a very popular sport in Switzerland, beyond the military
training.

High rates of gun ownership obviously don't necessarily mean more gun
crime. Or high rates of gun accidents. Or foolish use. Democrats and
their info-branch - the press will seldom go into this..

Brazil has a lower rate of gun ownership than the US, but a higher rate
of gun crime. Probably, Venezuela too. (perhaps the replacement for
Chavez will confiscate all guns and solve that...)

Brazil builds the Embraer regional jetliners we ride on...




--
Bobby

[Obama Phone]

On Jan 5, 11:37 pm, "Enraged Apostate, World Citizen"
<Finding.Rea...@Every.Opportunity.invalid> wrote:

One day an intruder will harm someone you know or love. That friend or
loved one will be scared, maimed and traumatized for the rest of her
life.

She will say, I called 911 but they didn't get here fast enough.
Assuming that she is still alive to say so.

And you will regret being so delusional and disconnected from reality.

This scenario happens to all the time to liberals. It will happen to
you.

I can't wait for that day. I pray for your sanity after that.

[Steve]

On Sun, 6 Jan 2013 04:37:04 +0000 (UTC), "Enraged Apostate, World

Citizen" <Finding...@Every.Opportunity.invalid> wrote:

>Steve <steven...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sun 06 Jan 2013 01:39:13a
>
>> On Sat, 5 Jan 2013 21:35:48 +0000 (UTC), "Enraged Apostate, World
>> Citizen" <Finding...@Every.Opportunity.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote on Sat 05 Jan 2013 08:34:16p
>>>
>>>> On 01/05/2013 12:21 PM, Enraged Apostate, World Citizen wrote:
>>>>> Steve <steven...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sat 05 Jan 2013 03:46:46p
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Canyon Note: <LOL> Another case of where breaking and entering can
>>>>>> become a capital offense. If he survives, he won't be very pretty.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can understand why you don't post the stories where the person lying
>>>>> dead was packing* but the bad guy got him anyway....you don't want to
>>>>> spam the newsgroups.
>>>>>
>>>>> What's worse, you'd be posting all day stories where the gun in the
>>>>> house was used against someone who is a resident of the house by
>>>>> someone who is also a resident of that house.... yeah, I know,
>>>>> spamming the newsgroups
>>>>
>>>> So why don't you find and post these stories?
>>
>> They're pretty hard to find...
>>
>>>No minds will be changed.
>>
>> Of course not.. It's only you leftists who wet their pants at the
>> thought of defending yourselves.
>
>Here in a place we like to call The Civilized World, we do defend ourselves.

<LOL> You can't...

>We have telecommunication devices (we call them "telephones"), and you
>interface with these devices by entering a 3-digit numeric sequence (9-1-1).
>
>Upon the activation of this sequence, the device then connects to a rapid
>emergency response system. One of those components of the system we call a
>"police force." It is this "police force" that provides us with the
>defense.

Police cannot protect you. All they can do is come and pick up the
pieces after the fact.

>I recommend it to you.

I see that you *do* wet your pants at the mere thought of having to
defend yourself. <LOL> You do like little children and look to mommy
or the government to come and protect you

[Steve]

On Sun, 6 Jan 2013 04:57:33 +0000 (UTC), "Enraged Apostate, World

Among your many problems is the fact that you are a weak kneed, bed
wetting pussy who has no idea how to protect yourself, even in the
mildest of situations.

[Obama Phone]

On Jan 5, 11:57 pm, "Enraged Apostate, World Citizen"
<Finding.Rea...@Every.Opportunity.invalid> wrote:
> Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sun 06 Jan 2013 01:39:12a

>
> > On Sat, 5 Jan 2013 18:21:13 +0000 (UTC), "Enraged Apostate, World

> > Citizen" <Finding.Rea...@Every.Opportunity.invalid> wrote:
>
> >>Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sat 05 Jan 2013 03:46:46p

That is the logic of liberal mass shooters. You sound like a liberal
mass shooter. Are you going to shoot up any public places today/

[Obama Phone]

On Jan 6, 12:10 am, "Enraged Apostate, World Citizen"

<Finding.Rea...@Every.Opportunity.invalid> wrote:
> Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote on Sun 06 Jan 2013 06:31:45a
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 22:10:05 -0600, David Hartung wrote:
>
> >> On 01/05/2013 03:35 PM, Enraged Apostate, World Citizen wrote:
> >>> David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote on Sat 05 Jan 2013 08:34:16p
>
> >>>> On 01/05/2013 12:21 PM, Enraged Apostate, World Citizen wrote:

> >>>>> Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sat 05 Jan 2013 03:46:46p

You really are an idiot. Not worth the time. Go away.

[David Hartung]

I have no trouble believing this, but as the left is fond of saying that
the mere presence of a gun is harmful, some citations would be appreciated.

[Obama Phone]

On Jan 5, 11:39 pm, "Enraged Apostate, World Citizen"

<Finding.Rea...@Every.Opportunity.invalid> wrote:
> David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote on Sun 06 Jan 2013 06:10:05a
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 01/05/2013 03:35 PM, Enraged Apostate, World Citizen wrote:
> >> David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote on Sat 05 Jan 2013 08:34:16p
>
> >>> On 01/05/2013 12:21 PM, Enraged Apostate, World Citizen wrote:

> >>>> Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sat 05 Jan 2013 03:46:46p

In honor of you. I went into my gun safe and took out my badest ass
big boys toy.
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/shotguns/ksg/

Then I jerked off and splattered the seed all over your name and the
name of all your family members. Especially your daugthers
It was fun.

[Steve]

On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 07:11:40 -0600, David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com>
wrote:

You'd think that the pro-ban people would eventually learn that you
can't ban stuff that people want..

they tried it with prostitution... hasn't worked
they tried it with liquor... didn't work
they tried it with drugs... hasn't worked

What it does is create a black market that attracts criminal types as
dealers...

Banning guns will not bring any kind of open warfare as some people
predict, but it will not go very far towards banning guns.

[ozark...@yahoo.com]

On Sat, 5 Jan 2013 22:30:16 -0600, AlleyCat <al...@aohell.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 22:10:05 -0600, In article
><TqydnQkxkouAZHXN...@giganews.com>, david@h0tm*il.com
>says...

>
>
>> >> So why don't you find and post these stories?
>

>Which reveals the inanity of this imbecile for posting the more-rare-

>than-the-passing-of-Halley's-comet story about a gun used to stop a home
>invasion.

Hmmmm....... Wrong. But facts never slow down the anti-freedom gun
control crowd.

[good progressive]

If the Georgia mom had simply not had a gun things might have worked
out better.

I imagine since the guy seemed to be looking for them, he might have
raped her and/or the children. However, he might have not killed them
and then they could have made a police report. Maybe eventually the guy
would have been caught, and nobody would have needed to be shot.

I don't know what the political affiliation of the intruder was. Whether
Democrat, Republican, Tea Party member or what.. I like to think he was
a Republican and Tea Party member, since I must admit - what he was doing
was arguably bad/wrong/etc.. OTOH, some may feel it's just part of
redistribution, I don't know. I won't go that far myself. I do feel he
was in the wrong. Even if a Democrat (which I hope he was not.)





--
Progress!

[Info Junkie]

On Sunday, January 6, 2013 9:32:48 AM UTC-5, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

> On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 08:10:09 -0600, ozark...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
> >Hmmmm....... Wrong. But facts never slow down the anti-freedom gun
>
> >control crowd.
>
>
>
>
>

> Hmmm---no guns, or VERY strict regulations---no gun deaths.
>

Obviously you're ignoring Chicago murders (2012-2013).

> You wanna be a "orininalist" federalist society winger---then push for
>
> the ORIGINAL interpretation of why "individuals" were encouraged to
>
> carry a musket and be ready at a moment's notice.

I suspect you hope the only "interpretation" is yours", e.g., gun owners ONLY have in their possession "A musket", with the owner being licensed, registered, finger-printed, in a national database and of course, taken an annual federally-sponsored and mandated training.

[Steve]

...and you think it would have been better if he'd "raped her and/or
the children" and had not been shot? Really?

[Ron Paul]

Obama Phone wrote:

> On Jan 5, 8:46 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>
> > Canyon Note:  <LOL>  Another case of where breaking and entering can
> > become a capital offense.  If he survives, he won't be very pretty.
>

> > A Georgia mother gunned down an intruder who broke into her home as
> > her children hid in a crawlspace.  “She fired all six shots,” the
> > sheriff told television station WAGA.  Five of the bullets hit Paul
> > Ali Slater in the face and neck area.
>
> >http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/georgia-mom-guns-dow...
>
> > The entire leftist agenda revolves around the ridiculous premise that they
> > have a right to be taken care of by other persons.
>
> Don't expect any acknowledgement from the leftist deniers here on
> usenet.  In their California view. This woman escalated the
> confrontation to deadly force by "standing her ground" and protecting
> her children. When what she should have done was call the police.
>

Thanks to our Republican lawmakers, our country is a 3rd world crime
infested sewer where carrying a gun and shooting first is the answer
to everything.

Republican Marxists are the real problem, they raised taxes and want
America destroyed.


Most of them don't attend Church because they hate Christianity.

When do you think the next Republican shooting spree will happen?

[roger]

Liberals are VERMIN siad:

>
> Laugh of the day.

You live in Socialist Canada where handguns are banned for carrying,
gays are tolerated and you have no choice with government bureaucratic
health care. Socialist slaves like you should learn to be silent when
the Capitalists are talking. I bet you live on welfare. Foreign
subversives like you deserve to be banned from entering the US if you
haven't been already.

[Lee Curtiss]

Out of the hundreds of shooting deaths every
mouth the NRA finds a dozen that are justifiable.

The odds do not favor your argument.

[FirstPost]

Of course you neglect to mention how many of those hundreds of deaths
are perpetrated by criminals that are ignoring your precious little
gun laws as opposed to the law abiding gun owners you stupid lying son
of a bitch?
And the NRA articles that you don't read anyway are usually about
people that used their gun but never had to fire a shot to ward off an
attacker.
Despite your lies the average law abiding gun owner never wants to
ever have to pull the trigger on anyone unless there absolutely is no
other option.
But you left wing fucks never have much of a problem at all running to
the defense of the real criminals that intentionally shoot their
victims for the purpose of robbery, gang vengence or gang initiation.

A 2011 Gallup poll estimates that 47 percent of US households own
a gun.
A 2007 Small Arms Survey estimates there are 88.7 guns per 100
Americans (#1 in the world for guns per capita)
A 2010 estimate from the NRA states "Privately owned firearms in
the U.S.: Approaching 300 million, including nearly 100 million
handguns. The number of firearms rises over 4 million annually."

No wonder you remain hidden in your moms basement.
According to your ideology there are over 100 million insane crazed
killers on the loose.
Fucking fool.


\

[ozark...@yahoo.com]

On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 07:32:48 -0700, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

>
>On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 08:10:09 -0600, ozark...@yahoo.com wrote:
>

>>Hmmmm....... Wrong. But facts never slow down the anti-freedom gun
>>control crowd.
>
>

>Hmmm---no guns, or VERY strict regulations---no gun deaths.

Hasn't worked in other places.

And the government here has concluded there isn't evidence that gun
control works.

>
>You wanna be a "orininalist" federalist society winger---then push for
>the ORIGINAL interpretation of why "individuals" were encouraged to
>carry a musket and be ready at a moment's notice.

No problem - obama

[Bert]

In news:4l2je8tbcfva79jov...@4ax.com Yoor...@Jurgis.net
wrote:

> Hmmm---no guns, or VERY strict regulations---no gun deaths.

You advocate giving armed government thugs free rein to kill as many
unarmed civilians as they can find.

Interesting.

But then, you are an idiot.

--
be...@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN

[Marvin the Martian]

Calling 911 is not defending yourself. Calling 911 to come with a body
bag to pick up your meat bag after you're dead, and for the cops to laugh
and make offensive remarks about your dead body in some sort of male
bonding "we're better than them" crap.

What you want to do is call 911 so they can bring the body bag for the
attacker.

[Marvin the Martian]

Decades ago, there was this Mexican-american guy going around murdering
people in their beds and scooping their eyes out with a spoon. He mailed
them to his sister, who apparently wasn't smart enough to figure out that
a crime was committed.

This motivated people to arm themselves in droves.

Crime dropped like a rock - with all those people ready to shoot
intruders, burglars didn't feel safe robbing homes.

But we digress... the true purpose of the 2nd is to stop tyrants.

In the 20th century, liberals such as yourself murdered about 110 million
people. Before doing so, they always disarmed the people. Tyrants.

So, fuck you. You're screwed. People are armed. Find something else to
do. It is not a good day for you to commit genocide.

[Robert Fitzgerald]

On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 07:11:40 -0600, David Hartung wrote:

> On 01/06/2013 06:20 AM, Robert Fitzgerald wrote:

<snip>

>>
>> How is it that gun ownership in recent years went from 190 million
>> owned to over 300 million owned, and gun deaths dropped by 50% - even
>> at a greater rate than the increase in guns-owned? One would think
>> it'd have to be the other way if more guns means more
>> accidents/deaths..
>>
>> How is it almost every male under 30 in Switzerland has a full-auto
>> military rifle in their home, with lots of ammunition, and Switzerland
>> has a very low gun crime rate? Plus, most/many people there have
>> additional guns. Many over-30's also opt to keep their military
>> rifles.. Shooting is a very popular sport in Switzerland, beyond the
>> military training.
>
> I have no trouble believing this, but as the left is fond of saying that
> the mere presence of a gun is harmful, some citations would be
> appreciated.

Here's one recent article on that. As the liberal author says, the Press
doesn't usually talk about this stuff...

For info on SWitzerland, people can just en.wikipedia.com(gun laws
Switzerland)

Or a general web search will find tons of info on gun ownership, gun
laws, and gun crime in Switzerland...

The gun deaths figure of about 11,000 in the US doesn't include
suicides, just murders. This trend in reduced violent crime rates has
been going on for decades.

------------------------------------------------------

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

Gun politics in Switzerland
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gun politics in Switzerland are unique in Europe. Switzerland does not
have a standing army, instead opting for a people's militia for its
national defense. The vast majority of men between the ages of 20 and 30
are conscripted into the militia and undergo military training, including
weapons training. The personal weapons of the militia are kept at home as
part of the military obligations; Switzerland thus has one of the highest
militia gun ownership rates in the world.[1] In recent times political
opposition has expressed a desire for tighter gun regulations.[2] A
referendum in February 2011 rejected stricter gun control.[3]
<snip>
------------------------------------------------------
Scientific American Mag blog
http://tinyurl.com/c85qz5p

Critical views of science in the news More Guns Have Not Produced More
Killings, But We Still Need Gun Control

By John Horgan | December 21, 2012

I’ve beaten up on opponents of gun control in posts published on the day
of the Newtown massacre and again on Sunday. In both posts, I strongly
implied that more guns mean more shootings. Now I’d like to present
statistics that contradict that hypothesis, or at least show it to be
grossly simplistic. I found these stats in “Gun Control Legislation, “a
report of the Congressional Research Service published on November 14,
just a month before the Newtown massacre.

The number of guns in the U.S. surged from 192 million in 1994 to 310
million in 2009. That includes 114 million handguns, 110 million rifles
and 86 million shotguns. There are now about as many firearms in the U.S.
as people. These stats have been widely reported. What has not been so
widely reported is that the number of firearm-related homicides fell from
17,073 in 1993 to 9,903 in 2011 (up slightly from 9,812 in 2010). Per
capita, the gun-related murder rate has dropped by more than 50 percent
over the past two decades.

This is a remarkable and somewhat mysterious trend. Some scholars have
attributed the decline in gun-related homicides and other violent crimes
to rising rates of incarceration; the U.S. has by far the highest rates in
the world. But the decline has continued since 2007 as incarceration rates
have fallen slightly and as the U.S. economy has tanked. “This would also
be the last time to expect a crime decline,” legal scholar Frank Zimring
told The New York Times last year.

So am I taking back my call for gun control? No. Rates of gun-related
homicide in the U.S., in spite of the recent decline, are still
unacceptably high, much higher than in any other developed nation.
Moreover, according to an analysis by Mother Jones, there has recently
been a rise, albeit erratic, in casualties from “mass shootings,” defined
as incidents in which one or, more rarely, as in the case of Columbine,
two shooters kill at least four people. Mass shootings exclude armed
robberies and gang violence.

There have been 62 such shootings over the last 30 years, according to
Mother Jones. Within this period, 2012 already has by far the highest
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Bobby

[Marvin the Martian]

You're a spoof! You're spoofing "progressives". You gotta be.

The problem is, there are liberals/socialist/communist/progressives/
Democrats here who really ARE to stupid enough to say things like that.

[Harold Burton]

In article <XnsA13FCEF1DE...@88.198.244.100>,
"Enraged Apostate, World Citizen"
<Finding...@Every.Opportunity.invalid> whined:

> Steve <steven...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sat 05 Jan 2013 03:46:46p
>
> >
> > Canyon Note: <LOL> Another case of where breaking and entering can
> > become a capital offense. If he survives, he won't be very pretty.
>
> I can understand why you don't post the stories where the person lying dead
> was packing* but the bad guy got him anyway....you don't want to spam the
> newsgroups.

Just as YOU don't post the stories where the person lying dead wasn't
packing but the bad guy was...you don't want to spam the newsgroupsl.



laugh...laugh...laugh.

[Harold Burton]

In article <aIWdncAg6N2173XN...@giganews.com>,

David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote:

> On 01/05/2013 12:21 PM, Enraged Apostate, World Citizen wrote:

> > Steve <steven...@yahooooo.com> wrote on Sat 05 Jan 2013 03:46:46p
> >
> >>
> >> Canyon Note: <LOL> Another case of where breaking and entering can
> >> become a capital offense. If he survives, he won't be very pretty.
> >
> > I can understand why you don't post the stories where the person lying dead
> > was packing* but the bad guy got him anyway....you don't want to spam the
> > newsgroups.
> >

> > What's worse, you'd be posting all day stories where the gun in the house
> > was
> > used against someone who is a resident of the house by someone who is also
> > a
> > resident of that house.... yeah, I know, spamming the newsgroups
>
> So why don't you find and post these stories?

Because they exist mostly in leftards' "minds"?


snicker

[Marvin the Martian]

On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 07:18:25 -0800, Some nitwit stealing "Ron Paul's"
name because he thought it would be funny, but he was just being an
asshole, wrote the quoted stupdity and then set the newsgroups to
somewhere else because he's an asshole ...:

> Obama Phone wrote:
>> On Jan 5, 8:46 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Canyon Note:  <LOL>  Another case of where breaking and entering can
>> > become a capital offense.  If he survives, he won't be very pretty.
>>
>> > A Georgia mother gunned down an intruder who broke into her home as
>> > her children hid in a crawlspace.  “She fired all six shots,” the
>> > sheriff told television station WAGA.  Five of the bullets hit Paul
>> > Ali Slater in the face and neck area.
>>
>> >http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/georgia-mom-guns-
dow...
>>
>> > The entire leftist agenda revolves around the ridiculous premise that
>> > they have a right to be taken care of by other persons.
>>
>> Don't expect any acknowledgement from the leftist deniers here on
>> usenet.  In their California view. This woman escalated the
>> confrontation to deadly force by "standing her ground" and protecting
>> her children. When what she should have done was call the police.
>>
>>
> Thanks to our Republican lawmakers, our country is a 3rd world crime
> infested sewer where carrying a gun and shooting first is the answer to
> everything.

Lets give thanks where thanks is due:
<http://www.bop.gov/news/quick.jsp#2>

US Prison Population
"Whites" (including "Hispanics") 59.4%
Hispanics 35.9%
Blacks 37.2%

Note that only 73.5% of inmates are Americans. 18.3% are those hard
working Mexicans who "take jobs Americans just won't do" like murder,
rape and armed robbery.

> Republican Marxists are the real problem, they raised taxes and want
> America destroyed.

And trillion dollar deficit spending on bailouts for billionaires that
the Democrats are doing isn't destroying America?

> Most of them don't attend Church because they hate Christianity.

Wait... what? You're saying Democrats, who hate religion and struck god
from their platform, don't hate Christianity more than Republicans?

> When do you think the next Republican shooting spree will happen?

Can you show that any of the criminals who've gone on shooting sprees
were Republicans?

[Jefferson Jaqueline Salazar]

Lee Curtis is mostly stupid, a proven liar and an ultra-left crackpot.

[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:25:03 -0600, "Lee L. Curtis"
<cle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And this would be thanks to the Republican
>created Patriot Act, no?

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Patriot Act was TEMPORARY and set to expire............

Then...........

On Saturday, February 27, 2010, President Barack Obama signed into law
legislation that would temporarily extend for one year.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_act#Reauthorizations

Then............

05/27/11 - Minutes before a midnight deadline, President Barack Obama
signed into law a four-year extension of post-Sept. 11 powers to
search records and conduct roving wiretaps in pursuit of terrorists.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/27/patriot-act-extension-signed-obama-autopen_n_867851.html

Posted from:
The DemocRATs Hall of Shame!
http://www.democrathallofshame.com/

[David Hartung]

Thank you.

[Steve]

On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 19:05:05 -0800, Rutles - China Blue Suede Schubert
<chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>In article <k1bge8ljsuqdostha...@4ax.com>,

> Steve <steven...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>
>> Canyon Note: <LOL> Another case of where breaking and entering can
>> become a capital offense. If he survives, he won't be very pretty.
>

>A Connecticut guy gunned down his mom, became an intruder, killed children. But
>you're right. One anecdote outweighs any mass of statistical evidence.


...and, of course, you have no mass of statistical evidence...

[Marvin the Martian]

On Sun, 06 Jan 2013 19:05:05 -0800, Rutles - China Blue Suede Schubert

wrote:

> In article <k1bge8ljsuqdostha...@4ax.com>,
> Steve <steven...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>
>> Canyon Note: <LOL> Another case of where breaking and entering can
>> become a capital offense. If he survives, he won't be very pretty.
>
> A Connecticut guy gunned down his mom, became an intruder, killed
> children. But you're right. One anecdote outweighs any mass of
> statistical evidence.

Unarmed teachers - 26 innocent dead.
Armed Mom - thug with his face shot off.

Only an idiot would think that the former was the desired outcome and not
the latter.

[Marvin the Martian]

Yeah, right. Ali Slater looks like a Republican. Just got out of prison,
and busts into a home.

<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2257966/Paul-Ali-Slater-Intruder-
shot-times-face-neck-cornering-mother-kids-attic.html>

Obama sazs - "If I had a son, he'd look like Ali Slater".

Yeah, Mr. President, he would.

[Lee Curtiss]

Yes, people are armed. And they are shooting up
schools and movie theaters and shopping malls and
even Army bases.

Doesn't that bother you?

[good progressive]

If the teachers had been armed, the killer might have brought
a nuclear weapon and everybody in the state would be dead.

The best thing is to declare a gun-free zone, and NEGOTIATE with these
killers. They probably have some demands or something.

We never find out. The teachers are so quick with their phones, they
call the police and the killers shoot themselves when they show... It
happens again, and again.

The police bringing MORE guns to a school.

NOT solving the problem.

This same problem applies to bank robberies or any use of guns. MORE
guns are NOT the solution to these situations.

It may be many of these shooters are also unaware that they are entering
gun-free zones. More public service announcements to educate the public
might help here.


--
Progress!

[bobo fizmarkian]

On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 16:17:29 -0600, good progressive wrote:

<snip>

>
> It may be many of these shooters are also unaware that they are entering
> gun-free zones. More public service announcements to educate the public
> might help here.

At least, they should put up some signs.





--
Bobo - (What's the Jive? Bird's alive!)

[Marvin the Martian]

If you had impeached Obama and Holder when they tried to false flag
attack the 2nd amendment, they wouldn't have done it again.

[David Hartung]

On 01/07/2013 05:42 PM, Rutles - China Blue Suede Schubert wrote:
> In article <AJydnTeUyIfk1HbN...@giganews.com>,

> good progressive <progr...@fizmarkianbobo.com> wrote:
>
>> If the teachers had been armed, the killer might have brought
>> a nuclear weapon and everybody in the state would be dead.
>

> What is the probability that an armed teacher could save one child?

Pretty good actually. It seems that these shooters are rational enough
to avoid places known to have people who are armed. The word gets out
that school teachers are armed, or that the school has armed guards or
officers present, they will seek their victims elsewhere.

> What is the probability that an armed teacher goes postal?

Pretty remote.

> What is the probability that an armed teacher could accidentally kill one child?

Just about as remote as a teacher going off her rocker.

> What is the probability that a student could get a hold of the gun and kill?

About as remote as the first two.

> If you demand an additional skill and responsibility of teachers, do you
> increase their salary accordingly? Do you indemnify them? Who pays for weapons
> and ammunition?

Actually, there is a very workable solution already being used by some
school districts, such as Memphis. Simply station armed police officers
in the schools.

[Marvin the Martian]

On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:42:24 -0800, Rutles - China Blue Suede Schubert
wrote:

> In article <AJydnTeUyIfk1HbN...@giganews.com>,
> good progressive <progr...@fizmarkianbobo.com> wrote:
>

>> If the teachers had been armed, the killer might have brought a nuclear
>> weapon and everybody in the state would be dead.
>

> What is the probability that an armed teacher could save one child?
>

> What is the probability that an armed teacher goes postal?

> What is the probability that an armed teacher could accidentally kill
> one child?

> What is the probability that a student could get a hold of the gun and
> kill?
>

> If you demand an additional skill and responsibility of teachers, do you
> increase their salary accordingly? Do you indemnify them? Who pays for
> weapons and ammunition?

40 years ago, some schools had rifle teams, and had matches against other
schools with rifle teams. Sure, most of the weapons were .22 cal, but
there were some Model 1904 .30-06 in the armory too.

No school shootings.

Now you can't even have a picture of a firearm in school. You get
expelled for just making a "gun" gesture with your fingers.

School shootings.

The difference seems to be that we have this president Obama guy who
wants to do away with the second amendment, and his first try at a
"crisis", the "fast and Furious" false flag was a flop because he got
caught.

Well, you got to give it to Obama, he's persistent. He tried again and
pulled it off.

[Marvin the Martian]

On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:04:19 -0600, David Hartung wrote:

> On 01/07/2013 05:42 PM, Rutles - China Blue Suede Schubert wrote:
>> In article <AJydnTeUyIfk1HbN...@giganews.com>,
>> good progressive <progr...@fizmarkianbobo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If the teachers had been armed, the killer might have brought a
>>> nuclear weapon and everybody in the state would be dead.
>>
>> What is the probability that an armed teacher could save one child?
>
> Pretty good actually. It seems that these shooters are rational enough
> to avoid places known to have people who are armed. The word gets out
> that school teachers are armed, or that the school has armed guards or
> officers present, they will seek their victims elsewhere.

There was the one dumbass who tried to rob a gun store... that was full
of armed people... including cops...

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=sNf8v4m5Vdg>

Opps! Wrong one. That was the one where the old guy shot three home
invaders who attacked him with a baseball bat right in his front door.

Oh, here it is...

<http://www.snopes.com/crime/dumdum/gunshop.asp>

Umm.... Desert Eagle .50 cal.

[Marvin the Martian]

On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:47:13 -0800, Rutles - China Blue Suede Schubert
wrote:

> In article <iOCdnfI8KbBMwHbN...@giganews.com>,

> Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
>
>> If you had impeached Obama and Holder when they tried to false flag
>> attack the 2nd amendment, they wouldn't have done it again.
>

> The kook runs strong in this one.

So, you're saying you have your head up your ass and Fast and Furious
never happened.

Uh-huh.

Lying your ass off... what does that do for your credibility?

[Robert Fitzgerald]

On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:42:24 -0800, Rutles - China Blue Suede Schubert
wrote:

> In article <AJydnTeUyIfk1HbN...@giganews.com>,
> good progressive <progr...@fizmarkianbobo.com> wrote:
>

>> If the teachers had been armed, the killer might have brought a nuclear
>> weapon and everybody in the state would be dead.
>

> What is the probability that an armed teacher could save one child?
>

> What is the probability that an armed teacher goes postal? What is the

> probability that an armed teacher could accidentally kill one child?

> What is the probability that a student could get a hold of the gun and
> kill?
>

> If you demand an additional skill and responsibility of teachers, do you
> increase their salary accordingly? Do you indemnify them? Who pays for
> weapons and ammunition?

As soon as the police arrived the killer shot himself. I don't know what
indication there was of the police. Sirens? Voice?

My guess, if a teacher had a firecracker, and lit it and it went off, the
shooter would have killed himself.

Same thing if she had a .38spl revolver with say, very low powered .38
short colt cartridges in it, or the equivalent custom loaded .38spl
cartridges. Fired one of those at him, wound him, my guess he'd kill
himself. or run. Or a blank shot fired off.

A teacher might be better qualified in some cases to do this than some
security guards. With a bit of training.. My experience is that security
guards are not always supergirl or superman.

Some schools probably can't afford guards.

OTOH, these kinds of events are very rare anyway. It might be any
particular armed effort to thwart just these things is more than needed.
Maybe some flashing lights would do it, or a recording of police sounds
that any teacher could turn on.

Probably more common are lesser threats, where maybe something like
pepper spray would do the job.

Some schools may be far from police though.. Or police services
sketchy. It took 20 minutes for the police to arrive at the school in CT
from what I've read..

As to arming teachers, if I were King I wouldn't likely have them carry
guns, generally. Having a gun locked up probably is sufficient. OTOH,
if there are a lot of dangers in a particular community, might make
sense...

Some teachers are probably off-duty/reserve police officers today, and
carry guns. Some may have second jobs as security guards, or have carry
permits for guns and have them now.. My guess, thousands, nationally.





--
Bobby

[Marvin the Martian]

On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 16:36:38 -0800, Rutles - China Blue Suede Schubert
wrote:

> In article <EIudnZ8W2YYv-3bN...@giganews.com>,

> Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:47:13 -0800, Rutles - China Blue Suede Schubert
>> wrote:
>>
>> > In article <iOCdnfI8KbBMwHbN...@giganews.com>,
>> > Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> If you had impeached Obama and Holder when they tried to false flag
>> >> attack the 2nd amendment, they wouldn't have done it again.
>> >
>> > The kook runs strong in this one.
>>
>> So, you're saying you have your head up your ass and Fast and Furious
>> never happened.
>

> Is Bush denying he started it?

So, Obama lied, and you were such a dumb fucking bastard, you STILL
believe Obama even when he was caught lying, too...

<http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/sep/24/barack-obama/
barack-obama-said-fast-and-furious-began-under-bus/>

"The report also clearly shows that Fast and Furious began under the Obama
administration, dating its inception to October 2009. (Obama took office
in January 2009.) This directly contradicts Obama’s claim."

Goddamned retards have their own political party called the "Democratic
Party".

[Steve]

On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 16:36:38 -0800, Rutles - China Blue Suede Schubert
<chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>In article <EIudnZ8W2YYv-3bN...@giganews.com>,

> Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:47:13 -0800, Rutles - China Blue Suede Schubert
>> wrote:
>>
>> > In article <iOCdnfI8KbBMwHbN...@giganews.com>,
>> > Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> If you had impeached Obama and Holder when they tried to false flag
>> >> attack the 2nd amendment, they wouldn't have done it again.
>> >
>> > The kook runs strong in this one.
>>
>> So, you're saying you have your head up your ass and Fast and Furious
>> never happened.
>

>Is Bush denying he started it?

Of course he would deny it since he didn't start it.

[Richard R. Bingham]

Lee Curtis is mostly stupid, a proven liar and an ultra-left crackpot.

[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:40:07 -0600, "Lee L. Curtis"
<cle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Amnesty was OK when Reagan ENACTED it.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The law granted amnesty to nearly 3 million illegal immigrants, yet
was largely considered unsuccessful because the strict sanctions on
employers were stripped out of the bill for passage.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128303672

[Mitchell Holman]

David Hartung <david@h0tm*il.com> wrote in
news:BNudnb6SAKAZ_3bN...@giganews.com:

> On 01/07/2013 05:42 PM, Rutles - China Blue Suede Schubert wrote:
>> In article <AJydnTeUyIfk1HbN...@giganews.com>,
>> good progressive <progr...@fizmarkianbobo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If the teachers had been armed, the killer might have brought
>>> a nuclear weapon and everybody in the state would be dead.
>>
>> What is the probability that an armed teacher could save one child?
>
> Pretty good actually. It seems that these shooters are rational enough
> to avoid places known to have people who are armed.

By that standard no shooter would attack a POLICE STATION.

Unless you are wrong, of course.




http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Shooting-at-Camden-County-Police-
Station-185032181.html



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/12/police-station-shooting-
southfield-michigan-shootout_n_2116162.html



http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/fairfax_virginia_police_station_shooting_/

[U Bettie Wynne]

Mitchel is a far-left liar, but usually runs away after a few days of
being slapped around. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

[][][][][][]
The DemocRAT Hall Of Shame http://www.democrathallofshame.com/ asks
"Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 22:07:53 -0500, Mitchell Holman
<nom...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Larry Craig, Mark Foley, Ted Haggard, any Pedophile
>Priest you care to name - the number of gay bashing
>conservatives who have been discovered to be gay
>themselves is long indeed.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Despite firmly stating that he was not gay and never has been gay,
Craig announced his intention to resign from the Senate at a news
conference on September 1, 2007, but later decided to finish the
remainder of his term."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig#2007_arrest_and_consequences

[good progressive]

On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:24:06 -0600, Robert Fitzgerald wrote:

>
> Some teachers are probably off-duty/reserve police officers today, and
> carry guns. Some may have second jobs as security guards, or have carry
> permits for guns and have them now.. My guess, thousands, nationally.

There should be a national program to weed these teachers out.

We also should insure that teachers don't have cellphones or land-line
phones.

The proper response to an armed invasion of a school is negotiate.
Consider WHY the person is there shooting.

You bring a bunch of police and their guns, or have teachers with
guns, you may NEVER find this out. It nips progress _right_ in the bud.

Additionally, some signs that say this school is a gun-free zone are
apt to keep evil-doers out anyway.

NEGOTIATE. It might just work. LISTEN. TALK.

If we didn't have a bunch of police and guns show up, many of these
killers might not shoot themselves and a life would be saved.

The PHONES are the issue here, since teachers seem to have no ability
to wait on calling the police. I say, take those phones away. PERIOD.

Get to know the killer. You might just find out that he's not such a
bad person. Perhaps, the Bush policies had a lot to do with his
errors.





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Progress!