Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss

Why does every Jew in Congress support more immigration?

6 views
Skip to first unread message

walt tonne

unread,
Jun 17, 2013, 1:32:39 PM6/17/13
to
A serious question.

Ramon F. Herrera

unread,
Jun 17, 2013, 3:05:58 PM6/17/13
to
On Jun 17, 12:32 pm, walt tonne <tonnewalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> A serious question.

Mr. Tonne:

What you need to do is approach the question via its *complement*
(logical opposite), as follows:

Why do:

- Non-Jews
- Non-Latinos
- Non-Blacks
- Non-Gays
- Non-Asians

[You continue making a list of decent people, until you have extracted
everybody and only the Hard Core Racists, Neo-Nazis, KKKs and similar
human garbage are left]

... are AGAINST more immigration?"

and the question solves itself!

Because it is the best for a tolerant, more productive America.

De nada,

-Ramon

-----------------------------------

Let's see if I get this right or straight (both puns intended)...

According to my calculations, the Republican voters are NOT interested
in:

• The Black vote
• The Gay vote
• The Hispanic vote
• The Asian vote
• The Jewish vote
• The Female vote (of those called vvhores who suffer "legitimate
rapes" which do not result in pregnancy, and if they do, it was God's
will).

Did I miss anything?

walt tonne

unread,
Jun 17, 2013, 3:52:40 PM6/17/13
to
Stop the bullshit. Talk about the Jews in Congress.

Ramon F. Herrera

unread,
Jun 17, 2013, 3:55:41 PM6/17/13
to
On Jun 17, 2:52 pm, walt tonne <tonnewalt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Stop the bullshit. Talk about the Jews in Congress.

They are a reflections of the Jews outside Congress. (duh!).

-Ramon

------------------------------

Which is the party where hatred is most concentrated and distilled?

The only ones qualified to make a statement are the victims of
prejudice, persecution and racism themselves. Let's ask them, shall
we?

Here's their response (2008):

- Black folks voted for Obama, by a 96% margin.
- Jewish folks voted for Obama, by a 75% margin.
- Hispanic folks voted for Obama, by a 66% margin.
- Asian folks voted for Obama, by a 63% margin.
- Gay folks voted for Obama, by an unknown margin.

ps: Oh, I almost forgot the largest minority of all:

http://patriot.Net/~ramon/misc/GOP-Hates-Women-and-Feeling-is-Mutual.jpg
http://www.usatoday.Com/news/politics/story/2012-04-01/swing-states-poll/53930684/1

ps: the 2012 percentages are even better.

Ramon F. Herrera

unread,
Jun 17, 2013, 5:30:27 PM6/17/13
to
On Jun 17, 2:52 pm, walt tonne <tonnewalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Stop the bullshit. Talk about the Jews in Congress.

You have been ISOLATED, Mr. Tonne. Your cancer, virus, whatever it is
that afflicts you.

-RFH

-------------------------


For many years this country has been divided along a variety of lines
such as taxes, abortion, war, etc. I can't help but notice that in
recent years the division is increasingly becoming "Hatred vs.
Tolerance".

Guess which party is on which side????

plainolamerican

unread,
Jun 17, 2013, 5:45:30 PM6/17/13
to
On Jun 17, 12:32 pm, walt tonne <tonnewalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> A serious question.

Why does every Jew in Congress support more immigration?
---
to decrease the political power of the majority for the benefit of the
jews.
it works to their benefit almost every time.

Mr. B1ack

unread,
Jun 17, 2013, 6:30:23 PM6/17/13
to
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:05:58 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:

>On Jun 17, 12:32 pm, walt tonne <tonnewalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > A serious question.
>
>Mr. Tonne:
>
>What you need to do is approach the question via its *complement*
>(logical opposite), as follows:
>
>Why do:
>
> - Non-Jews
> - Non-Latinos
> - Non-Blacks
> - Non-Gays
> - Non-Asians
>
>[You continue making a list of decent people, until you have extracted
>everybody and only the Hard Core Racists, Neo-Nazis, KKKs and similar
>human garbage are left]
>
>... are AGAINST more immigration?"
>
>and the question solves itself!
>
>Because it is the best for a tolerant, more productive America.


More cheap near-slave labor ....

Ramon F. Herrera

unread,
Jun 17, 2013, 6:42:20 PM6/17/13
to
Actually, it is the TOTAL opposite.

See how the main supporters are spending lots of money in TV ads, etc.
lobbying for this legislation.

- Corporate America (expected, duh!)

- Unions (you didn't expect this, did you?)

I always say that if employers and employees (both kinds, legal and
otherwise) are pushing so hard for this legislation, it MUST be good
for America.

This article is very instructive. Do yourself a favor and learn about
the complex subject.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/immigration-ads-92700.html

-Ramon

Ramon F. Herrera

unread,
Jun 17, 2013, 6:48:09 PM6/17/13
to
On Jun 17, 5:30 pm, Mr. B1ack <nowh...@nada.net> wrote:

>> Because it is the best for a tolerant,
>> more productive America.
>
>    More cheap near-slave labor ....


EVERYBODY in America wins with Comprehensive Immigration Reform, with
a few exceptions:

- Xenophobes, Nativists, Racists, White Supremacists, Immigration
Exclusionists

- Human/Drug Traffickers

- Unscrupulous Employers (but they win in the longer term)

- Manufacturers/Distributors of Counterfeit IDs.

-Ramon

-------------------------------------

Every Thing You Always Wanted to Know About Illegal Immigration But
Were Afraid to Ask

Businesses are lobbying, spending considerable amounts of money and
resources in support of a Path to Legalization/Citizenship. Get this:
When the undocumented become documented you can rest assured that
immediately those workers will demand benefits and higher salaries. If
they are so demanding now, with marches and what not -being
undocumented- just imagine how demanding they will become after they
have papers! Business leaders KNOW this much better than you and me
and are *still* the leaders of the movement towards a Path to
Legalization and Citizenship.

Isn't that strange???? I mean, really, really weird??
Incomprehensible?

This is how it works (write it down this time):

Taxpayer to Employer: "You -greedy basterd!!- are exploiting your
illegal employees (Oh! BTW: thanks sooo much for those reasonable low
prices!! She gives him a little kiss on the cheek) hmm, err, where was
I? ... Oh, yes: YOU exploit them, and meanwhile I am the one stuck
with the bill for their education and trips to the ER!"

Businessman: "WE have studied this exhaustively. The unanimous
agreement is that the only solution that makes sense is to document
them: That way they will make more money, pay higher taxes and have
some sort of health benefit such as ObamaCare, whatever.".

Stockholder (scared): "But doesn't that mean that the labor expenses
will be higher? My dividends will go down the drain!"

Company Executive: "True, labor expenses will be slightly higher, but
the cost of hiring them will be as high for my competitors as it will
for me (a raising tide lifts all ships)"

Ramon F. Herrera

unread,
Jun 17, 2013, 6:53:44 PM6/17/13
to
On Jun 17, 5:30 pm, Mr. B1ack <nowh...@nada.net> wrote:

> More cheap near-slave labor ....

Every time president Obama goes to bat for this legislation, he is
surrounded by UNION types.

-Ramon

-------------------------

"Labor and the Immigrant Rights Movement
By RUTH MILKMAN

"Today the U.S. labor movement is a leading defender of immigrant
rights. It was not always so. Historically, immigration [...]

http://tinyurl.com/6w7tjuj

-------------------------

"Last summer AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka addressed this issue. In
a speech he gave in Cleveland, he spoke about the history of immigrant
labor in America and about some of the complaints lodged against the
immigrant forebears of many union members.

"And yet today I hear from working people who should know better,
some in my own family – that those immigrants are taking our jobs,
ruining our country. Haven’t we been here before?

"When I hear that kind of talk, I want to say, did an immigrant
move your plant overseas? Did an immigrant take away your pension? Or
cut your health care? Did an immigrant destroy American workers’ right
to organize? Or crash the financial system? Did immigrant workers
write the trade laws that have done so much harm to Ohio?"

-------------------------

The Black leaders are doing a great job educating their constituency,
equating Gay Rights with Civil Rights and Homophobia with Racism.

"Immigration is the equivalent of Human Rights today"
"Alabama's immigration law: Jim Crow revisited"
-Martin Luther King III

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/17/opinion/trumka-king-civil-rights-alabama/

-------------------------

Margery Enrique Zhou

unread,
Jun 17, 2013, 9:27:47 PM6/17/13
to
Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 21:47:34 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
<gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote:
>ps: The Bay of Pigs fiasco was a Nixon deal

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Bay of Pigs Invasion was an unsuccessful action by a CIA-trained
force of Cuban exiles to invade southern Cuba, with support and
encouragement from the US government, in an attempt to overthrow the
Cuban government of Fidel Castro. The invasion was launched in April
1961, less than three months after John F. Kennedy assumed the
presidency in the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion

Posted on behalf of:
The DemocRATs Hall of Shame!

Chase Caceres

unread,
Jun 17, 2013, 9:27:55 PM6/17/13
to
Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 22:16:04 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
<gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote:
>Well, guess what the approval rating of Mrs. Bachmann is?
>That's right!: 2%

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2012 Republican Presidential Nomination
Bachmann: 9/13 - 9/27; 6.4
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

The Register reported Bachman is "in a different league from the other
candidates," receiving a bigger favorable rating (65 percent) than any
of the other candidates and a very low negative rating (12 percent)
among Iowa Republicans.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/27/iowa-poll-bachmann-favorable-rating_n_885486.html

Carlota Laurette Araujo

unread,
Jun 17, 2013, 9:28:04 PM6/17/13
to
Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 19:16:06 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>Steve Jobs owned Disney

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Walt_Disney_Company

Louise J. Beckwith

unread,
Jun 17, 2013, 9:28:15 PM6/17/13
to
Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 20:13:07 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>I would like to inform Mr. Buchanan that the Catholic religion is
>already the one with most members in the US, and it has been for a
>long time.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Evangelical Protestant Churches 26.3%
Catholic 23.9%
http://religions.pewforum.org/affiliations

Amada Valerio

unread,
Jun 17, 2013, 9:28:23 PM6/17/13
to
Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:21:57 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
<gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote:
>On Oct 28, 12:14 am, "Death Penalty For Gays" <los...@democrats.org>
>wrote:
>> Herman Cain said last night that homosexuality is 'a sin' and 'a
>> personal choice', placing himself in the super conservative camp
>> for religious voters.
>> In a move that likely alienated independent voters, stressed his
>> biblical reasoning.
>> 'I think it's a sin because of my biblical beliefs and, although
>> people don't agree with me, I happen to think that it is a
>> personal choice,' he said in an hour-long interview with CNN's
>> Piers Morgan.
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2051647/Herman-Cain-says-
>> homosexuality-choice-sin-unnatural.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
>Since Mr. Cain did not produce any scientific or academic evidence, he
>his statement is based on personal experience.

Oops! Caught lying...

Cain CLEARLY stated it is based on his "biblical beliefs" AND personal
opinion...

Princess Samuels

unread,
Jun 17, 2013, 9:28:30 PM6/17/13
to
Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"

On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:20:46 -0800 (PST), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>Re: GOP voters prefer AOL e-mail, why am I not surprised?

Because you're a sub-standard Hispanic and a Proven Liar?

>"According to poll results released today by Poll Position, AOL e-mail
>is a favorite among Republicans, with some 20 percent picking it as
>the best service. "
>http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57324229-93/gop-voters-prefer-aol-e-mail-service-poll-shows/
>http://tinyurl.com/8xr3z35

Oops! Caught lying...

Google Mail 22.8%
Yahoo Mail 20.2%
AOL 12.1%
Another e-mail provider 19.6%
No opinion 25.3%
http://media.pollposition.com.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/Poll-Position-crosstabs-best-email-provider.pdf

Topaz

unread,
Jun 17, 2013, 10:14:38 PM6/17/13
to

There is no Escape!
By David Duke

There is no escape from the terror of the future.
You can run away for a while.
But the terror will catch up to you.
It will destroy you and everything you love.

No, I am not talking about a new Hollywood horror movie. I am talking
about America. America is changing from the land of our forefathers to
a place where we are no longer at home in spirit, and where our
families are no longer safe in their own homes.

New Orleans has become increasingly like Haiti since the 1960's Civil
Rights movement integrated the schools. Since then, White civil rights
have steadily disappeared.

First the schools deteriorated into cesspools of violence, drugs,
ignorance, barbarity and venereal disease. Blacks always had access to
public schools, but now, almost all Whites were driven from them. They
went from a majority, to less than four percent today. Whites were
driven from the buses and streetcars. In the buses where Blacks once
rode in the back, now Whites dare not ride at all! To do so is just
too dangerous. Friendly and tidy White neighborhoods discovered the
true joys of forced racial integration: junk cars, prostitutes and
drug dealers on the streets. The only Whites remaining in many
neighborhoods fearfully live now behind bars in homes that have become
reverse jails meant to keep the criminals out.

Black political power transformed New Orleans into a corrupt Black
banana republic. Taxes went up, services went down. The condition of
the streets wrecks the cars. Housing projects are so strewn with trash
they look as though they belong in a Third World Country. Rape, murder
and robbery are daily occurrences in the same city where I could once
walk anywhere as a child. Of course, traditional American values and
culture are gone now also. America founding fathers names such as
George Washington's are removed from schools by the Black school board
because he is, "an immoral example for the children." Kwanzaa, a Black
pagan celebration, has replaced Christmas celebrations in schools.

For the last forty years, Whites have steadily fled the city of New
Orleans. They left thousands of the beautiful and stately homes; many
of the beautiful, oak-lined boulevards; and the intangible history and
charm of what was once America's most romantic city. Now its old charm
can only be found in a few heavily policed areas that the tourists
visit or where the very richest live. Yet, frequently a tourist will
veer from the protected areas and find themselves robbed, raped, or
murdered by denizens that would be more at home in the most primitive
tribes of Africa.

The White refugees first fled mostly to Jefferson Parish, a White
redoubt where they could regain the semblance of a normal life. But,
then, Jefferson began its demographic darkening, so the Whites again
packed up their belongings once more and moved even further away. Some
ended up across Lake Ponchartrain, willing to drive three hours a day
to get to and from work, all so their families would be safe.

Some even pretended that they came to North Shore for the trees. But
they certainly didn't move to the now Black areas in New Orleans where
flourish live oaks, some of the most magnificent and beautiful trees
in the world. Most of the new North Shore residents knew, at least
somewhere deep inside, why they fled and why they came to the area
where I now live. I was candid about my choice of Mandeville. I like
the demographics. I like being among my own kind, living in the kind
of clean and beautiful environment our people create. In the last
election for U.S. Congress, I warned my neighbors on the North Shore.
I told them that conditions of New Orleans would eventually come to
them unless a great political change happened in America. A week ago,
a graphic example of what I had warned them about, occurred.

Just a mile from where I live and work, in a subdivision called
Woodridge, a beautiful 25-year-old mother of four, Samantha Jaume, was
brutally murdered in her home by a Black intruder who had followed her
home from a shopping center. He apparently wanted to steal her new
vehicle. The quick thinking of her seven-year-old son, Jason, almost
saved his mother and probably prevented the murder of his sisters and
himself. He hid himself under a desk and called the police.

Samantha lost all of her civil rights including her right to live. Her
husband's civil rights were also violated, and her four children
suffered loss of their Civil Rights more than any Black person in the
1960's who had to use separate water fountains. This family lost wife
and mother for the rest of their lives. If you want to know the true
cost of integration, it is White lives. If Mandeville were truly the
White area so many seek, Samantha would still be alive. Do we dare to
discuss the other hundreds of victims who have suffered a similar fate
over the years on the North Shore? Or the millions of White victims of
Black crime across America. And, it can only get worse. When the North
Shore population goes the way of New Orleans, Jefferson, and of the
new America of the 21st century, the loss of Samantha will be replayed
so many times that Whites will become refugees once more. But, where
will they go? Massive non-white immigration, differential birthrates,
and intermarriage will make our people a rapidly shrinking minority.
Our racial enemies will not stop their darkening of America until
there is no refuge for our people, only annihilation.

This is no movie. This is real life. There is no escape from the
coming terror. It is time we turn around and fight. We must wrest
control of our political system from those who would obliterate our
people. It is too late for Mrs. Samantha Jaume, but not too late for
her children, and for our children if we begin our road back today. My
life is consecrated to that task. How about yours?
Visit our website at www.whitecivilrights.com

http://www.ihr.org/ http://nationalvanguard.org/ http://heretical.com/

http://national-socialist-worldview.blogspot.com

walt tonne

unread,
Jun 18, 2013, 7:16:05 AM6/18/13
to
Anything that encourages the retention of low IQ illegal alien
invaders is insanity. They bring nothing but
crime, filth, and decay. They are biological and cultural toxins.
Worthless in a high tech society.

Ramon F. Herrera

unread,
Jun 18, 2013, 9:45:14 AM6/18/13
to
Answer Número Uno:

Dear Mr. Tonne:

Thanks for your kind application to pick fruit, sweep floors, clean
bathrooms, do landscape and wipe the asses of our babies and aging
parents. Unfortunately, we must reject it a simple reason:

WE NEED PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

We wish you the best in future endeavors.

-Signed: The American Employers (all of them)


Ramon F. Herrera

unread,
Jun 18, 2013, 10:15:49 AM6/18/13
to
Answer Número Dos:

Dear Mr. Tonne:

Exactly who told you that IQ is the only desirable measure and
predictor of economic progress? There are many others, take for
instance: ambition, street smarts, persistence, resilience, etc.

Those traits CANNOT be precisely measured but fortunately, our wise
Founders found a way to make sure that the best people get the chicks,
nice homes and cars. It is called CAPITALISM and COMPETITION.

You see, in capitalism there are NO BLANK CHECKS, and your request for
some is hereby, categorically

DENIED

Bang,

-Signed: America

----------------------------

CNN Forum
John1263
10:30 AM CDT

"We need to find a way to keep these hard working Mexicans in the US.
If they are willing to find a way to cross our heavily guarded border,
endure the racism and stupidity of the people in the US, work at
really difficult dirty labor jobs for low pay all for the chance to
get ahead, they are EXACTLY the kind of people we need in this
country. WE could start deporting some of the lazy entitled molly
coddled white suburban kids who think the world owes them everything
and that they not have to ever lift a finger to get it because they
are god's gift to humanity. Those folks we can live without."



walt tonne

unread,
Jun 18, 2013, 12:31:43 PM6/18/13
to
The mestizo is obsolete. Random quotes from labor bohunks
like Trumka are a hoot! Fat swine loves the money.
Energy and ambition cannot overcome lack of talent. Same as
a pet that likes to chase rabbits but lacks the ability to trail.

I challenge Ramon to produce a feature/benefit presentation using
official data that dares suggest that mestizo are anything but a
disaster economically, socially. Nothing but numbers,
no quotes, no cliches.

Ramon, your time starts now.

Planet Visitor II

unread,
Jun 18, 2013, 12:43:50 PM6/18/13
to
On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:52:40 -0700 (PDT), walt tonne <tonnew...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Stop the bullshit. Talk about the Jews in Congress.

Heh.. they piss you off... don't they? Anything that pisses you
off is by axiom a "good thing," shit-for-brains.

Don't forget those on the Supreme Court, shit-for-brains.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg
Stephen Breyer
Elena Kagan.

Eat shit and die, loser.



Planet Visitor II

Ramon F. Herrera

unread,
Jun 18, 2013, 1:01:52 PM6/18/13
to
I have posted that stuff MANY times....

Here goes one.

------------------------------

Let's see what Faux (their Business side, not their racist side) has
to say about the issue:

"Despite Rhetoric, Illegal Immigration Provides Benefits to States"

"FOX Business <<<========

"Arizona’s recently-passed immigration law has drawn heated debate on
both sides of the immigration issue, but there has been little focus
on what economic impact illegal immigration has on border states – a
phenomenon that’s likely larger than many people realize.

Putting the law and morality of illegal entry aside, several studies
have shown the illegal immigrant population is more of an economic
contributor to state and local economies than politicians like to tell
an angry electorate. The numbers can be broken down into the fiscal
cost (or gain) of illegal immigrants to states, along with the
economic contribution of the population.

The most thorough study on the fiscal and economic impact of
immigration was done by the non-partisan Texas Comptrollers’ Office in
2006, which showed Texas earned more in taxes and economic output from
illegal immigrants than governments spent to provide services.

According to the Comptrollers’ office, state and local governments
spent $1.16 billion to provide services like education, health care
and safety, but raised an estimated $1.58 billion in tax revenues.
Based on the data, the Texas taxpayer made a $424.7 million profit on
its illegal immigrant population in [...]"

[More Here:]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2b5_1280670442


Ramon F. Herrera

unread,
Jun 18, 2013, 1:04:01 PM6/18/13
to
On Jun 18, 11:31 am, walt tonne <tonnewalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
Here's another:

How Much Do Immigrants REALLY Take From Medicare? You'll Be Shocked
(VIDEO)

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/05/30/immigrants-medicare/#ixzz2UmFhm6kh

-Ramon


plainolamerican

unread,
Jun 18, 2013, 1:05:34 PM6/18/13
to
---
companies are hiring illegals every day and will continue to until
they are prosecuted for their crimes and shut down.

Ramon F. Herrera

unread,
Jun 18, 2013, 1:07:05 PM6/18/13
to
On Jun 18, 11:31 am, walt tonne <tonnewalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
One more....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States

- Ramon

ps: You need to learn how to Google.

plainolamerican

unread,
Jun 18, 2013, 1:10:58 PM6/18/13
to

Ramon F Herrera

unread,
Jun 18, 2013, 1:12:18 PM6/18/13
to
On Jun 18, 12:10 pm, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com>
wrote:
We need CREDIBLE sources, not Hate Groups.

-Ramon

Ramon F Herrera

unread,
Jun 18, 2013, 1:17:32 PM6/18/13
to
On Jun 18, 12:10 pm, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com>
wrote:
This is so Funny!!!

Did you see the date!????

ONE DECADE AGO.

That "study" was so "refudiated" that their authors did not update it
or dare to publish another.

What do we need studies for, anyway? Let's all be lazy like I am, and

I LISTEN TO THE PRIVATE ENTERPRISE !!

-Ramon
Proud Member of the US Chamber of Commerce (regular and Hispanic)
So quit calling me commie, will ya'?
100% Supporter of the position on immigration being
lobbied and led by The US Chamber of Commerce

ps: Again, all you need is to find and post ONE evidence of support
from:

(a) Military
(b) Business
(c) Churches

The observant and astute readers will realize that I just mentioned
the 3 fundamental pillars of Conservatism.


Ramon F Herrera

unread,
Jun 18, 2013, 1:18:53 PM6/18/13
to
On Jun 18, 12:10 pm, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> http://www.cis.org/High-Cost-of-Cheap-Labor

The more reason to LEGALIZE them.

-Ramon

-------------------------


Ramon F Herrera

unread,
Jun 18, 2013, 1:23:25 PM6/18/13
to
On Jun 18, 12:05 pm, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> ---
> companies are hiring illegals every day and will continue
> to until they are prosecuted for their crimes and shut down.

So you suggest an ALL OUT WAR against private enterprise? Why don't
you write a threatening, demanding letter for the Republican Party and
we can all sign it???

-Ramon

-------------------------

The Post’s View
The GOP’s Muddled Message on Immigration

"THE REPUBLICAN PARTY’S incoherence on illegal immigration was on
vivid display last week in Tampa, where delegates gathered to draft
their party’s official platform.

"The platform amounts to a declaration of war on the 11 million
undocumented immigrants in the country. It embraces laws like those in
Arizona and Alabama that are intended to make life so miserable for
undocumented workers that they will “self-deport,” in Mitt Romney’s
memorable phrase, and it slams the Obama administration for trying to
block those measures. The Republican Party would punish cities [...]"

"How does it make sense to embrace such a program while pressing to
deport 11 million immigrants, most of whom have been in this country
for more than a decade and in many cases are integral parts of
American communities and parents of American citizens? The whole thing
amounts to both an acknowledgment that the job market demands low-wage
immigrant workers and a rejection of those who came to this country
precisely in response to that demand."

"To grasp the full absurdity of the GOP’s position, suppose for a
moment that the party actually carried out its threat to drive out 11
million illegal immigrants, including 7 million in the job force.
Imagine the scope, cost and administrative complexity of the guest-
worker program that would then be required to replace them. It’s hard
to conceive of a more wide-ranging expansion of government."

http://tinyurl.com/8sdx8d3

plainolamerican

unread,
Jun 18, 2013, 1:25:31 PM6/18/13
to
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in...
>
> - Ramon
>
> ps: You need to learn how to Google.

from your link:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States&usg=AFQjCNFG0yTRO9gbRtPcO8qiGbsrdCTu8g

Evidence suggests that the overall costs imposed on the U.S. economy
by illegal immigrants are equivalent to or outweighed by the benefits.
CBO study
During 2007, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office reviewed 29
reports published over 15 years on the impact of unauthorized
immigrants on the budgets of state and local governments. While
cautioning that the reports are not a suitable basis for developing an
aggregate national effect across all states, they concluded that:
State and local governments incur costs for providing services to
unauthorized immigrants and have limited options for avoiding or
minimizing those costs;
The amount that state and local governments spend on services for
unauthorized immigrants represents a small percentage of the total
amount spent by those governments to provide such services to
residents in their jurisdictions;
The tax revenues that unauthorized immigrants generate for state and
local governments do not offset the total cost of services provided to
those immigrants, although the impact is most likely modest; and
Federal aid programs offer resources to state and local governments
that provide services to unauthorized immigrants, but those funds do
not fully cover the costs incurred by those governments.

Espanuelo

unread,
Jun 18, 2013, 3:37:02 PM6/18/13
to
Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
> On Jun 17, 12:32 pm, walt tonne<tonnewalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > A serious question.
>
> Mr. Tonne:
>
> What you need to do is approach the question via its *complement*
> (logical opposite), as follows:
>
>
>
> Why do:
>
> - Non-Jews
> - Non-Latinos
> - Non-Blacks
> - Non-Gays
> - Non-Asians
>
> [You continue making a list of decent people, until you have extracted
> everybody and only the Hard Core Racists, Neo-Nazis, KKKs and similar
> human garbage are left]
>
> .... are AGAINST more immigration?"
>
> and the question solves itself!
>
> Because it is the best for a tolerant, more productive America.
>
> De nada,
>
> -Ramon
>
This is not a matter of race.
People migrate and live among two latitudes.





> -----------------------------------
>
> Let's see if I get this right or straight (both puns intended)...
>
> According to my calculations, the Republican voters are NOT interested
> in:
>
> � The Black vote



> � The Gay vote
> � The Hispanic vote
> � The Asian vote
> � The Jewish vote
> � The Female vote (of those called vvhores who suffer "legitimate
> rapes" which do not result in pregnancy, and if they do, it was God's
> will).
>
> Did I miss anything?
>
Blacks live between 0� and 9� latitude.
Eskimos above the latitude of 70�
The Jewish below 33 degrees.
Asians can establish nine scales or degrees (0�, 9�, 18�, 27�, 36�, 45�,
54�, 63�, 72�)
The Hispanic below 27�.

Espanuelo

unread,
Jun 18, 2013, 4:20:27 PM6/18/13
to
Every day, the debt enlarge to 14'50 dollars per person.

Every immigrant cost 55 dollars per person and day.

The USA cannot mantain so many immigrants.

The U.S. can only maintain a 1.5% of their population as immigrants (4.8
million of immigrants).

walt tonne

unread,
Jun 18, 2013, 4:32:16 PM6/18/13
to
Ramon, you picked over reports. I said facts and numbers not polluted
by comments.

What is the actual costs? Stop ducking. State by state, federal stat
by federal stat,
only fools and those with agendas dare suggest that the trash from
south of the
border is of benefit to America.

Greg Gregg

unread,
Jun 18, 2013, 10:09:57 PM6/18/13
to
Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>Re: Tea Party movement full of racists and conspiracists according to...
>Tea Party movement full of racists and conspiracists according to...
>... Fox poll
>http://tinyurl.com/y9zol4c
>The conundrum is: Should we believe a poll from Faux?????????????

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Looks like the poll was hijacked."
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/The-Vote/2010/0212/Tea-Party-movement-full-of-racists-and-conspiracists-according-to-FOX-poll

Earlene Beall-Marin

unread,
Jun 18, 2013, 10:10:09 PM6/18/13
to
Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"

On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 05:16:55 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>Re: Romney: "Since McVeigh used fertilizer we MUST NOT have any laws to prevent violence"
>If I had not witnessed the CNN interview with my own eyes and ears, I
>would not have believed that he said that..

Oops! Caught lying...

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/25/12951968-romney-talks-with-nbcs-brian-williams-in-exclusive-interview

Kenyatta Duncan

unread,
Jun 18, 2013, 10:10:15 PM6/18/13
to
Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Sat, 4 Aug 2012 14:54:04 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>When he ran against Ted Kennedy for the US Senate, Mr. Romney
>promised:
> "I will release all of my tax returns on the same day that my
>opponent releases his".
>Several years later, ALL the Democrat candidates for Massachusetts
>governor released their tax returns, but Mr. Romney betrayed his
>promise.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Romney said he would release his own tax returns if Kennedy did, but
the Senator refused - and so Romney did as well.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/16/romney-called-for-tax-transparency-in-past-campaigns/

Darnell O. Louis

unread,
Jun 18, 2013, 10:10:31 PM6/18/13
to
Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 17:14:19 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
<gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote:
>Obama up by 14 in PA, 8 in Ohio, 6 in VA, 14 in MI, 10 in FL, 12 in
>WI ...

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PA Obama +11
OH Obama +6
MI Obama +6
FL Obama +6
WI Obama +3
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

Stacy Pearline Ojeda

unread,
Jun 18, 2013, 10:10:40 PM6/18/13
to
Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:31:59 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>How about all those Latinos who do NOT get any free stuff, own
>companies and pay a lot of taxes? (the richest man in the world for
>instance) How come they also vote/support the Democrats?

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Carlos is Mexican he doesn't vote for Demorats in the US...........
http://www.forbes.com/profile/carlos-slim-helu/

Herschel Rupert Schultz

unread,
Jun 18, 2013, 10:10:49 PM6/18/13
to
Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:41:06 -0700 (PDT), Ramon F Herrera
<gopo...@jonjay.com> wrote:
>On Aug 11, 5:16 pm, "Bradley K Sherman" <b...@panix.com> wrote:
> > Paul Ryan won election seven times in a Democratic district
>That means that it is not a Democratic district.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...if Ryan is an extremist and his proposals are so unpopular, how has
he won election seven times in a Democratic district? His lowest share
of the vote was 57 percent — in his first race. He routinely wins over
two-thirds of the vote. When Obama swept the nation in 2008, he
carried Ryan’s district by four points. But at the same time, Ryan won
reelection with 65 percent of the vote, meaning that a fifth of Obama
voters also voted for him.
http://tucsoncitizen.com/fortbuckley/2012/08/11/the-smart-democrats-are-worried-about-paul-ryan-for-good-reason/
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/313732/smart-democrats-should-be-worried-john-fund

>Ohioans are known to swing in parties...

Why are you so fucking stupid??????????????

Paul Davis Ryan is the U.S. Representative for Wisconsin's 1st
congressional district...........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ryan

Sherron Greco

unread,
Jun 18, 2013, 10:11:00 PM6/18/13
to
Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 16:27:10 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>The National Council of La Raza only accepts
>*institutions* as members.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

President Barack Obama’s Supreme Court nominee is a member of an
influential extremist Mexican La Raza group that advocates open
borders and driver’s licenses for illegal immigrants.

Judge Sonia Sotomayor is listed as a member of the National Council of
La Raza in an American Bar Association profile discovered by a news
organization dedicated to exposing public corruption
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2009/05/supreme-court-nominee-la-raza-member/

Alma Clarke

unread,
Jun 18, 2013, 10:11:10 PM6/18/13
to
Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 08:23:31 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>On Aug 12, 9:50 am, Keith D. Lee <keithdlee2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > All:
> >    Well, it should mean that all this hate speech will
> > backfire on the Dems.  :-)
>What "hate speech" is that?? I dare you to show ONE INSTANCE, since it
>is my contention the hate speech from the Liberal size is ZERO.
>ALL hate speech comes from your side.

Rep. Andre Carson, a Democrat from Indiana who serves as the CBC’s
chief vote counter, said at a CBC event in Miami that some in Congress
would “love to see us as second-class citizens” and “some of them in
Congress right now of this tea party movement would love to see you
and me ... hanging on a tree.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/62396.html

Teamsters President Jimmy Hoffa, Jr. "...it is the Tea Party. And you
know, there is only one way to beat and win that war. The one thing
about working people is we like a good fight. And you know what?
They’ve got a war, they got a war with us and there’s only going to be
one winner. [...] President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to
march… ...Let’s take these sons of bitches out..."
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/hoffa-on-tea-party-lets-take-these-sons-of-bitches-out/

"And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or
religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant
sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their
frustrations." — Barack Obama

"While the rest of the country waves the flag of Americana, we
understand we are not part of that. We don't owe America anything -
America owes us." - Al Sharpton

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a
three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No,
no, no, God d*mn America, that’s in the Bible for killing innocent
people. God d*mn America for treating our citizens as less than human.
God d*mn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is
supreme." Jeremiah Wright

"As to those in the World Trade Center…Let’s get a grip here, shall
we? True enough, they were civilians of a sort. But innocent? Gimme a
break. …If there was a better, more effective, or in fact any other
way of visiting some penalty befitting their participation upon the
little Eichmanns inhabiting the sterile sanctuary of the twin towers,
I’d really be interested in hearing about it." — Ward Churchill

T. Phyllis Cartwright

unread,
Jun 18, 2013, 10:11:19 PM6/18/13
to
Ramon is a foreign transplant originally from Venezuela, probably a
beaner terrorist, and definitely a Fraud. Ramon F Herrera also goes by
"Cambridge Ray," "Google Poster," "Lucius Sanctimonious," and
"Hadron." An ultra-left, open-borders pretend-American. He lives and
works in Houston, TX. Note that when you reply to a Proven Liar you
encourage them to continue lying.

Ramon F Herrera
13313 Cutten Rd, Apt 7102
Houston, TX 77069-2374

[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 08:17:02 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"
<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>They are more visible and daring (for obvious reasons), but the Mexico-
>US flow is negative these days.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pew estimates that roughly 1.4-million Mexicans came to the United
States in the five years ending 2010, a figure roughly matched by
1.4-million Mexicans and their U.S.-born children who moved to Mexico.
In the five preceding years, the flow was 3-million northbound and
less than 700,000 southbound, for a net increase of 2.3-million.

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/worldview/mexican-illegals-leaving-us-in-droves-study-finds/article2412063/?service=mobile

David Johnston

unread,
Jun 26, 2013, 7:14:24 PM6/26/13
to
On 6/17/2013 11:32 AM, walt tonne wrote:
> A serious question.
>

Containing a serious lie.

http://www.ontheissues.org/va/Eric_Cantor_Immigration.htm

Eunice Arias

unread,
Jun 26, 2013, 9:55:18 PM6/26/13
to
Another Canadian Asshat. Canadian Socialists ignore how shitty their
country is [flushing 200,000,000,000 liters of raw sewage directly
into natural waterways and the Pacific Ocean every year -
http://environment.about.com/od/waterpollution/a/canadasewage.htm ]
and try to spread their Euro-socialist failed ideas by constantly
commenting on America and American politics. Please note that when you
reply to a Canadian Asshat you encourage them to continue criticizing
America while ignoring their own failed country.

[][][][][][]
The DemocRATs Hall Of Shame asks "Why do you always LIE?"

[Courtesy of Buster Norris]

On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 12:29:14 -0700, David Johnston <Da...@block.net>
wrote:
>On 11/6/2012 6:35 AM, Seneca wrote:
>> This fact would nullify the veracity of Obama's continuous bleating on
>> "the mess I inherited".
>Don't you mean "this lie"? After all, the unemployment rate was around
>7.7% when Obama took office.

LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is no "around" if you can't get it right shut the fuck up.

2009 Jan 7.8%
2012 Oct 7.9%
Series Id: LNS14000000
http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet;jsessionid=634ACB2EBF3A1D73C2B59EF62A98F258.tc_instance9
0 new messages