Okay, all you rightwing muthafukahs, here's one for you
Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
ALL YOU MOFOS ARE GONNA PAY, YEAH, ALL OF YOU.
Yeah you, all of you. Those of you who believe in medicare for all
and those of you town hall screamers who feel it's an a front to your
pocket books, your "self reliance," your greed, your selfishness and
your faith to help others get health care.
(I put "self reliance" in quotes because if you are paying for health
insurance you are helping pay for coverage for others and they in turn
are helping to pay for yours. That is if the insurance company
doesn't just take all the money you and others have been paying and
then decide with rescission, exclusion, pre-existing conditions NOT to
follow through on their end of the trust. How self reliant are you
really?)
The issue is the uninsured and the under-insured. And whether you
like it or not you mofos you ARE paying and you are going to continue
to pay for them. And you all are going to pay for my daughter!
I am almost past wanting to smack each everyone of you town hall
yellers, tenthers, blue dogs, Republicans, sacred won't listen to
reason, health insurance pawns, over this.
I'd be just satisfied knowing that you will pay lots of money for
this, if I weren't having to pay lots of money for this too.
You see, or maybe you don't so I'll do my best to draw you a map, I
don't want to pay a lot to help take care of everyone. You seem to
want to pay the big bucks, so let me explain the difference. I'll use
my daughter's last 2 weeks as an example.
My daughter (Tee) lost her job last year due to the economic down
turn. She's also in college, so she took out more loans so that she
could go full time, pay for college and her books. She also moved
into a cheaper apartment, now has a roommate and downsized as much as
possible to make that money stretch as long as possible. That
stretching does not include being able to afford the insurance policy
available to students at her school.
We help as much as possible. Last spring her grandparents (my
parents), her step-dad and I paid for her oral surgery to remove 3
wisdom teeth that could break through her jaw (the bone had grown
thick over them) and they were impacted and infected.
Her bio-dad died 3 years ago. He couldn't have helped anyway. He and
his wife were living in a trailer on a small plot of land in southern
Texas basically subsisting.
To make ends meet last June she began selling her blood plasma. After
two trips to the emergency room after the last two draws, she had
terrible adverse reactions. I am told that the paramedics couldn't
get her to lie flat on the stretcher, many of her muscles had seized
into one big cramp, her hands would not open, her feet were locked in
a painful point and her muscles has her curled up into a ball. All
she could do was scream from the pain.
After this episode she began to complain that her stomach hurt, all
the time. I wanted her to see a doctor, I worried. Abdominal issues
are my issues. But she had no insurance to see a doctor, didn't want
to spend any more of our money, and didn't want another emergency room
bill.
Two weeks ago her stomach pain was worse, she had headaches and she
began vomiting. We all, including her, thought it was the flu. She
got dehydrated and was taken to the ER. They did the standard blood
work, everything came back negative and determined that it was the
flu. They rehydrated her and sent her home.
By Sunday she was worse, diarrhea had joined the vomiting and the
stomach pain was unbearable. She was taken to the ER again. Most of
the same tests were done, all coming back negative. She was again
rehydrated and given a shot of Dilaudid (because it was the only thing
tackling the pain) and sent home.
She called me and told me about it Wednesday morning that she had been
to the ER. She was still in pain and still having diarrhea and
vomiting. She told me that it wasn't H1N1 because all the tests came
back negative.
"Tee, they aren't testing for H1N1. According to the CDC they are
only testing for it after a person dies." My words seemed to hit like
a bombshell.
"Mom," came her clearly scared and worried voice, "I don't know what
to do."
She's 25, my first born, my only daughter. For god's sakes, she's
still my baby! I was scared and worried too. She's in one of the high
risks groups, she has asthma. But this seemed to be hitting her the
hardest where she was most vulnerable, her stomach. While we spoke I
went to the National Association of Free Clinics to find a clinic she
could go to. There is one in the Denver area, at 5045 W 1st Ave. I
gave her the phone number.
During the called she railed against our country's stupid situation
saying that if she were in any other 1st world country she'd be taken
care of by a doctor and a hospital.
She called the free clinic and left a message.
Thanksgiving came. She pulled herself together enough to go to my
parents. My Mom says she promptly laid down on the sofa when she got
in the door and slept. Everyone (my Mom, my Dad and my sister) knew
she wasn't well but she refused all offers, trying instead to put up a
stiff upper lip.
She called that night, crying. She felt so horrible. She said she
was cranky, mouthy and impatient at the Thanksgiving meal and ruined
it for everyone (my parents dispute this). She cried, saying "I just
want my mom," over and over again. She talked about suicide.
I live in Massachusetts, she lives near Denver, CO. My protective
response went into over drive. You know that response where the most
dangerous place to be is between a mother and her child? I was
there. But I was also impotent, I could, from this distance, do
little.
We talked about how all her tests were negative. I reminded her that
for 11 years all my tests kept coming back negative in regards to the
cause of the menorrhagia I suffered from.
I also pleaded with her several times to go to the ER. Finally she
relented and said she would, but only if I agreed not to call her 80
year old grandparents and get them involved.
She took with her a friend, someone who had been in Iraq and was a
medic. The ER ran all the standard tests, they all came back normal/
negative. With this information in hand they were in the process of
shoving her out the door and noting in her file that she is a
hypochondriac. She crumbled and began crying, she was giving up.
That's when her friend, her advocate, stood up and said that they were
not moving until the hospital ran more test and found out what was
wrong. He said that he has seen her suffer, that this is not her and
that she is not a hypochondriac.
Finally the hospital did an internal ultrasound and found the
problem. She had had an ovarian cyst the size of a golf ball and it
had burst.
To give you guys some perspective in this look down at your testicles,
and pick your favorite.
Now image that testicle having a small cyst attached to it that grows
to the size of a golf ball. A golf ball, if I'm not mistaken, is a
little larger than the testicle itself. Now imagine that cyst
attached to your testicle bursting. Imagine all the ragged torn
flesh, imagine what ever filled that cyst draining into your system.
It could be blood, it could be endometrium (well, not if your a guy),
it could just be fluid, and it could harbor bacteria, it could become
septic. You could die.
Then know this . . . . it all could have been avoided.
If my daughter had been able to have the standard health care that
other industrialized, 1st world nations have she would have seen a
doctor long before this. She would have had an annual gynecological
check up, she would have established a report with a doctor who would
have known her "normal."
She would have had the first set of test preformed at an independent
but cost effected lab that serves many doctors offices. And when she
got no better the doctor who knew her would have order more, but
different tests, thereby saving money by not running the same test 3
times in two weeks. And since the pain was centered in her abdomen
the doctor would have sent her to a gynecologist who would have
ordered an ultra sound, maybe even an internal one right off the bat.
This too would save money since most gynecologists have in house
ultrasound, meaning lower overhead.
They would have found this cyst prior to it rupturing and would have
prescribed medications to shrink it.
If she had had the same access to health care that they have in
Canada, the UK, Germany, Japan, etc. the bill for finding out what was
wrong with her and treating it would have been lower than the crisis
situation it became.
She wouldn't have been at the ER 3 times in two weeks. The ER is
expensive health care, there is a lot of expensive overhead that get's
charged to you.
If you just want to go on co-pays alone, if your co-pay for an in
office doctor visit is $30.00 and the co-pay for a non-admitting ER
visit is $100.00 - the ER is over 3 times as expensive. (These were
my actual co-pays 5 years ago).
$$$$ Ca-ching for ER care vs. $ for an in office doctor visit.
Then you have the lab work. The lab at a hospital is staffed 24/7, it
has the same expensive hospital over head attached to it's fees, and
there are times when work there is slow.
A lab contracted by a doctors office is not staffed 24/7 and it has
several contract with doctors, there is no down time.
$$$$ Ca-ching for ER lab work vs. $ for doctor contracted lab work
Then you have the same lab work done two more times because the ER
doesn't know my daughter from one day to the next and they must,
because of protocols, do all the standard tests. If those are
negative it probably isn't an emergency, they don't dig deeper.
If my daughter had built a relationship with a GP, Family Practitioner
and/or a Gynecologist, they would have known what tests were already
done a few days ago and moved on to dig deeper. They would not have
wasted money doing the same test.
$$$$ Ca-ching for duplicated lab work vs. $ for the doctor only doing
the same test once.
The ultrasound in the hospital while all the same equipment as the
doctor's office has the high overhead attached to it.
$$$$ Ca-ching for hospital ultrasound vs. $ for in house doctor's
office ultrasound.
$$$$ Ca-ching for all the pain management medications, the bags of
fluid when she became dehydrated, the cost (and pain) of putting a
line in (actually 3 lines since they did this for each ER visit), the
cost of that equipment x3, and the antibiotics, vs. $ getting to this
in time and only paying for the medication to reduce the cyst.
Given that she can't pay for these 3 ER visits the cost and payment is
going to be found in higher ER, hospital fees and health insurance
premiums - multiply this fact by 1,000,000 and you may begin to figure
out how much you are paying RIGHT NOW for the uninsured and the under-
insured.
You know that old bromide about "a stitch in time saves nine?" It
means if you take care of things in the beginning you have less work
and less cost than if you wait until it gets worse.
And what's really sad is that you town hall yelling, tenthers, blue
dogs, Republicans, sacred won't listen to reason, health insurance
pawns, NASCAR fans know this when it comes to your car:
Remember the commercial where the actor portraying an auto mechanic,
hawking a popular oil filter, grimly warns that if you fail to take
care of your car now with some low maintenance car care that "You can
pay me now, or pay me later".
But you have a great disconnect when it comes to people.
People you are paying for anyway and paying way too much for.
You seem to be happy with this. I am not.
You seem to want to pay more than necessary. I do not.
You seem to be happy about the waste. I am not.
The only time you complain about this situation is when you have to
wait 5-6 hours to be seen in the ER. Well it's your own damn fault.
Stop making the ER the only place the uninsured and under-insured can
get medical help, you will stop the over crowding, and your wait times
will go down.
You are going to pay no matter what, the cost is up to you.
But you seem to want the status quo. I do not.
And you know what else, even if it meant paying a little more in
taxes, my husband and I would gladly do it if it meant all our
daughters and sons had access to real affordable health CARE.
Little Rock Free Health Clinic Dr. Kimberly Garner, November 21st,
2009
starting at 3:53
Videographer (nyceve?): So her health, her treatment now will probably
cost more than had she been able to just get her medicines
Dr. Kimberly Garner: Oh going to the hospital, you could provide a
lot of outpatient treatment for just one hospital visit.
Videographer: Right, right, right
Dr. Kimberly Garner: Yeah , the economics, you know.[inaudible] we pay
for people to go to the hospital
Videographer: Right
Dr. Kimberly Garner: We pay for that acute care,
Videographer: Right
Dr. Kimberly Garner But we won’t pay for them to be prevented. we
won’t pay for this situation to be prevented. We won’t pay for
medicines that, that they need to prevent them going to the hospital.
Necessarily, unless they qualify for some assistance.
But our system is based on acute treatment and not prevention and not
chronic medical treatment. People with chronic medical problems fall
through the cracks. I mean I’ve seen patients that, you know, have a
chronic medical problem they just need medicines. We won’t pay for
the medicine for their chronic treatment, or to keep them from getting
worse. But we’ll sure pay for the surgery they need when it gets
really bad. Well sure pay for the procedure they need when it gets
really bad. But we won’t pay to prevent. [inaudible].
Link to the original article:
carl
"Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names" <old_r...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Neolibertarian
<8714da65-8ea4-4599...@m33g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
"Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names" <old_r...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Link to the original is at the bottom of this post.
>
> ALL YOU MOFOS ARE GONNA PAY, YEAH, ALL OF YOU.
>
>
> Yeah you, all of you. Those of you who believe in medicare for all
> and those of you town hall screamers who feel it's an a front to your
> pocket books, your "self reliance," your greed, your selfishness and
> your faith to help others get health care.
>
> (I put "self reliance" in quotes because if you are paying for health
> insurance you are helping pay for coverage for others and they in turn
> are helping to pay for yours. That is if the insurance company
> doesn't just take all the money you and others have been paying and
> then decide with rescission, exclusion, pre-existing conditions NOT to
> follow through on their end of the trust. How self reliant are you
> really?)
>
> The issue is the uninsured and the under-insured.
No, the "issue" is Medicare.
Year after year after year, the trustees have issued emergency funding
warnings...all to deaf ears.
The Republicans haven't attempted to deal with the failing behemoth
because, well.. anyone who changes the funding of that entitlement is
cruel and selfish; a pawn of special interests and an advocate of
military spending over spending money for the poor.
The Democrats haven't attempted to address the failing entitlement
because, well...Hillary Clinton's first try met with virulent opposition
all across the board, and lost the 50 year Democrat hold on the House
and Senate.
All the while, Medicare has creeped closer and closer to the precipice.
Actually, it has /leaped/ towards it like a Jesse Owens. There never was
a surplus in the fund, all of the money we've "set aside" for Medicare
and Social Security was spent long ago. Now, Medicare and Social
Security are the largest single holders of the US Government's $12
Trillion debt.
China's holdings pale in comparison to SS and Medicare.
It turns out that we've been borrowing all that money from...not
foreigner, but from ourselves!
If Medicare is allowed to collapse, which it will surely do in the next
few years, then Americans will have their noses rubbed in what Congress
has done to destroy that entitlement, which so many poor seniors now
depend upon.
The answer to this impending collapse that will show up all the
populist-bureaucrats in Washington, Republican and Democrat alike, for
the frauds nd cowards they've been for the past 44 years--well...the
answer is, of course, an EVEN LARGER entitlement.
Like, an /exponentially/ larger entitlement.
Note that every "Health Care Reform Bill" that has been entertained up
on Capitol Hill includes a massive defunding of Medicare.
This doesn't make any sense unless one understands the true nature of
the problem being addressed by the "reform bill."
1) You have to have people paying their insurance premiums into the US
treasury. This will save all their asses, and people won't notice a
difference in their personal bottom lines, since they're already paying
those premiums.
2) You have to shift all those poor seniors into a "public option"
government run health care system. Otherwise, Medicare is gonna bust the
Federal Budget wide open.
http://www.elihu.envy.nu/NeoPics/NHS-Poster.jpg
--
Neolibertarian
"Nobody inherits civilisation.
� You inherit the /ruins/ of civilisation.
� Beginning with yourself.
� And you can't even afford its heating bill."
---Dennnis M. Hammes
Lars Eighner
--
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> September 5933, 1993
312 days since Rick Warren prayed over Bush's third term.
Obama: No hope, no change, more of the same. Yes, he can, but no, he won't.
Dave Heil
> Stop Obama's War!
Call it whatever you want, Larry. Let's win the thing and come home.
Sid9
"Dave Heil" <k8...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
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> Lars Eighner wrote:
>> Stop Obama's War!
>
> Call it whatever you want, Larry. Let's win the thing and come home.
>
After bush,jr left a screwed up mess because of his neglect?
Lars Eighner
talented Dave Heil broadcast on alt.politics:
> Lars Eighner wrote:
>> Stop Obama's War!
> Call it whatever you want, Larry. Let's win the thing and come home.
How many Viet Nams will it take for you to learn the lesson?
--
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> September 5934, 1993