>>:YPP
>>Ohhhh aren't _you_*such* a perfect specimen to point out for the rest
>>of us the imperfections of others! I don't know how I could get
>>through the day if it wasn't for the alert eyes and ears of people
>>such as you! Oh Dearie me! What's the world coming to that a President
>>is actually human and fallible and not a God??

>He's got a right to be fallible.  Why is making mistakes the only
>thing he does well?

>>On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:52:42 GMT, dodder <dod...@dodder.dodder> wrote:

>>>:YPP
>>>Ohhhh aren't _you_*such* a perfect specimen to point out for the rest
>>>of us the imperfections of others! I don't know how I could get
>>>through the day if it wasn't for the alert eyes and ears of people
>>>such as you! Oh Dearie me! What's the world coming to that a President
>>>is actually human and fallible and not a God??

>>He's got a right to be fallible.  Why is making mistakes the only
>>thing he does well?

>I can point out another thing he does fantastically.
>He pissed the DemoRats right the hell off.
>Liberals too.

>And his biggest success was what?
>Peace?
>Prosperity?
>Making arabs stop killing Americans?

>>On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:48:16 GMT, NightHawk
>><AvtugUnjx0-remove-t...@k-znvy.arg> wrote:

>>And his biggest success was what?
>>Peace?
>>Prosperity?
>>Making arabs stop killing Americans?

>I've gotta admit, Bush is the dumbest bilingual fighter pilot with a
>Harvard MBA that I've ever heard of...

>{/sarcasm}

>>On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:48:16 GMT, NightHawk
>><AvtugUnjx0-remove-t...@k-znvy.arg> wrote:

>>And his biggest success was what?
>>Peace?
>>Prosperity?
>>Making arabs stop killing Americans?

>I've gotta admit, Bush is the dumbest bilingual fighter pilot with a
>Harvard MBA that I've ever heard of...

> >On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:17:58 GMT, GWB <presid...@whitehorse.gov>
> >wrote:

> >>On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:48:16 GMT, NightHawk
> >><AvtugUnjx0-remove-t...@k-znvy.arg> wrote:

> >>And his biggest success was what?
> >>Peace?
> >>Prosperity?
> >>Making arabs stop killing Americans?

> >I've gotta admit, Bush is the dumbest bilingual fighter pilot with a
> >Harvard MBA that I've ever heard of...

> >{/sarcasm}

> Okay, then why doesn't he succeed at something?

> > On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:30:14 GMT, WorkingfortheWeekend
> > <postmas...@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> > >On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:17:58 GMT, GWB <presid...@whitehorse.gov>
> > >wrote:

> > >>On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:48:16 GMT, NightHawk
> > >><AvtugUnjx0-remove-t...@k-znvy.arg> wrote:

> > >>And his biggest success was what?
> > >>Peace?
> > >>Prosperity?
> > >>Making arabs stop killing Americans?

> > >I've gotta admit, Bush is the dumbest bilingual fighter pilot with a
> > >Harvard MBA that I've ever heard of...

> > >{/sarcasm}

> > Okay, then why doesn't he succeed at something?

>    He's succeeded at plenty !

>    He pulled the economy out of a tailspin.
>    He 'unified' the country when it was divided.,
>    He made America completely safe from terrorists by capturing Bin
> Laden.

>    Want more ? I'lll give it to you as soon as i return from my vacation
> in the Twilight zonw.

> > > On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:30:14 GMT, WorkingfortheWeekend
> > > <postmas...@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> > > >On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:17:58 GMT, GWB <presid...@whitehorse.gov>
> > > >wrote:

> > > >>On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:48:16 GMT, NightHawk
> > > >><AvtugUnjx0-remove-t...@k-znvy.arg> wrote:

> > > >>And his biggest success was what?
> > > >>Peace?
> > > >>Prosperity?
> > > >>Making arabs stop killing Americans?

> > > >I've gotta admit, Bush is the dumbest bilingual fighter pilot with a
> > > >Harvard MBA that I've ever heard of...

> > > >{/sarcasm}

> > > Okay, then why doesn't he succeed at something?

> >    He's succeeded at plenty !

> >    He pulled the economy out of a tailspin.
> >    He 'unified' the country when it was divided.,
> >    He made America completely safe from terrorists by capturing Bin
> > Laden.

> >    Want more ? I'lll give it to you as soon as i return from my vacation
> > in the Twilight zonw.

>>On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:48:16 GMT, NightHawk
>><AvtugUnjx0-remove-t...@k-znvy.arg> wrote:

>>And his biggest success was what?
>>Peace?
>>Prosperity?
>>Making arabs stop killing Americans?

>I've gotta admit, Bush is the dumbest bilingual fighter pilot with a
>Harvard MBA that I've ever heard of...

>{/sarcasm}

> > WHAT are you smoking honey?  I want SOME!!!  Our economy had a small
> > recession (minute one the W exasperated by badmouthing the economy which
> > Greenspan scolded him for);

>   1) Credible cite for you claim wrt Greenspan please

>   Where did you study econ?

>   Inflation increased just 0.1 % last month (www.bls.gov.)

>   When the decline he inherited from the previous administration
> became a full blown recession, Bush did all the traditional responses
> 1) jawboned the fed to lower interest rates..which Greenspan did

>  As far as recession, there will be another one..the question is
> always when.

> He has divided the country as
> > no one thought possible after he had absolute and unconditional support
when
> > 911 happened;

>   The country was evenly divided in 2000..there has been no
> fundamental shift since then after the shock of 9/11 wore off. The
> only difference is the dislike of Bush by your side has escalated to
> full blown hatred

>   Really..What towns do the Taliban control?

> but Iraq officials have said they will have a
> > place in the government in Iraq; AND (oh s#!^..... twilight zone......)
> > Sighhhh,  Nevermind.... (what's that I hear about violins on
> > television)......

>"T.Carr" <TCarr13...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:8c213b2e.0408161717.2039a9a3@posting.google.com...
>> "dkat" <d...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Vc7Uc.14432> dkat"
><d...@hotmail.com

>> > WHAT are you smoking honey?  I want SOME!!!  Our economy had a small
>> > recession (minute one the W exasperated by badmouthing the economy which
>> > Greenspan scolded him for);

>>   1) Credible cite for you claim wrt Greenspan please

>very nice article.
>http://www.epinet.org/printer.cfm?id=79&content_type=1&nice_name=webf...
>http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2000/0006.thompson.html

>but does not address your question.  I believe most here remember very
>clearly when Bush was trying to bully through his Tax cut for the most
>wealthy and claimed that we were heading into a big recession which only the
>taxcut could save us from.  The market took a dive as soon as he made that
>claim and Greenspan had to take him aside and tell him that a president had
>to be more responsible for what he said given that his words alone had to
>power to panic the market (which it had).  I have not found any quotes as
>yet because W's entire time in office has been such a disaster that all of
>the normal search words for that incident just bring up hundreds of links to
>our current problems.  I will find it though and post it when I do.  In the
>mean time - if others remember please back me on it.

>>   2) The economy was clearly declining in the second 1/2 of 2000

>The economy was declining?  That is a rather broad brush stroke but fine.
>The NASDAQ was diving early in 2000 - that I will agree to.  If you look at
>a long term plot of the market

> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=^IXIC&t=my&l=off&z=m&q=l&c=^GSPC,^IXIC,^DJI

> it is very clear that the other indexes were doing fine and things were
>improving after the tax 'advance' to the middle class. The market was on
>it's way up after 911 as well.  President Bush has had almost 4 years and
>the best you can say for him is that he has made it much nicer for the very,
>very wealthy and screwed everyone else.  Don't confuse your inflation index
>with as a barometer to the economy.  Gas prices rising is going to push the
>price of everything up while the recession/depression pushes prices down.
>If things were at all better than they are the increase we had in gas/oil
>prices would have jacked inflation up alot.  That should make you worry.

>>  He has made so many bad decisions that the
>> > economy will now have both inflation (from increased oil prices) and
>> > recession (as more people become unemployed);

>>   Where did you study econ?

>>   Inflation increased just 0.1 % last month (www.bls.gov.)

>>   When the decline he inherited from the previous administration
>> became a full blown recession, Bush did all the traditional responses
>> 1) jawboned the fed to lower interest rates..which Greenspan did

>Bush had nothing to do with Greenspan lowering interest rates.

>2)
>> Increase the amount of money in the economy via the tax cuts

>He did not increase the amount of money in the economy with his tax cuts
>because they were for the most part aimed at the very wealthy who did not
>put their money back into this economy.  They put it overseas.  The tax cut
>to the middle class was one that the Democrats insisted on and one of the
>few things they won.

>>3 Increase demand through increased government spending

>The govenment spending done is being done overseas.  We are spending
>billions of $$$ but that money is in Iraq not the U.S. of A

>>   What else would you have a President (of any party) actually do.
>> Maybe he didnt mouth phrases like "he felt our pain", but other than
>> that, he acted appropriately

>>  As far as recession, there will be another one..the question is
>> always when.

>> He has divided the country as
>> > no one thought possible after he had absolute and unconditional support
>when
>> > 911 happened;

>>   The country was evenly divided in 2000..there has been no
>> fundamental shift since then after the shock of 9/11 wore off. The
>> only difference is the dislike of Bush by your side has escalated to
>> full blown hatred

>You are completely wrong.  If you do a search for my posts and those of
>other's, you will see that we gave Bush complete support after 911.  It was
>not until he fabricated an excuse to invade Iraq that he lost that support.
>The man's arrogance and complete disrespect for other's point of view is
>what has divided this country and NOT that every individual has a different
>perspective.

>>  He hasn't captured Bin Laden and the Taliban is not only
>> > functioning in Afghanistan

>>   Really..What towns do the Taliban control?

>Are you really unaware of the Taliban's resurgence in both Iraq and
>Afghanistan?
>http://www.cursor.org/stories/secondcoming.html
>http://www.startribune.com/stories/561/4915435.html

>again I don't want to do your work for you.  If you really are interested
>all of this material is readily available.

>>                                                               T.Carr

>> but Iraq officials have said they will have a
>> > place in the government in Iraq; AND (oh s#!^..... twilight zone......)
>> > Sighhhh,  Nevermind.... (what's that I hear about violins on
>> > television)......

>>"T.Carr" <TCarr13...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>news:8c213b2e.0408161717.2039a9a3@posting.google.com...
>>> "dkat" <d...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Vc7Uc.14432> dkat"
>><d...@hotmail.com

>>> > WHAT are you smoking honey?  I want SOME!!!  Our economy had a small
>>> > recession (minute one the W exasperated by badmouthing the economy which
>>> > Greenspan scolded him for);

>>>   1) Credible cite for you claim wrt Greenspan please

>>very nice article.
>>http://www.epinet.org/printer.cfm?id=79&content_type=1&nice_name=webf...
>>http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2000/0006.thompson.html

>>but does not address your question.  I believe most here remember very
>>clearly when Bush was trying to bully through his Tax cut for the most
>>wealthy and claimed that we were heading into a big recession which only the
>>taxcut could save us from.  The market took a dive as soon as he made that
>>claim and Greenspan had to take him aside and tell him that a president had
>>to be more responsible for what he said given that his words alone had to
>>power to panic the market (which it had).  I have not found any quotes as
>>yet because W's entire time in office has been such a disaster that all of
>>the normal search words for that incident just bring up hundreds of links to
>>our current problems.  I will find it though and post it when I do.  In the
>>mean time - if others remember please back me on it.

>>>   2) The economy was clearly declining in the second 1/2 of 2000

>>The economy was declining?  That is a rather broad brush stroke but fine.
>>The NASDAQ was diving early in 2000 - that I will agree to.  If you look at
>>a long term plot of the market

>> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=^IXIC&t=my&l=off&z=m&q=l&c=^GSPC,^IXIC,^DJI

>> it is very clear that the other indexes were doing fine and things were
>>improving after the tax 'advance' to the middle class. The market was on
>>it's way up after 911 as well.  President Bush has had almost 4 years and
>>the best you can say for him is that he has made it much nicer for the very,
>>very wealthy and screwed everyone else.  Don't confuse your inflation index
>>with as a barometer to the economy.  Gas prices rising is going to push the
>>price of everything up while the recession/depression pushes prices down.
>>If things were at all better than they are the increase we had in gas/oil
>>prices would have jacked inflation up alot.  That should make you worry.

>>>  He has made so many bad decisions that the
>>> > economy will now have both inflation (from increased oil prices) and
>>> > recession (as more people become unemployed);

>>>   Where did you study econ?

>>>   Inflation increased just 0.1 % last month (www.bls.gov.)

>>>   When the decline he inherited from the previous administration
>>> became a full blown recession, Bush did all the traditional responses
>>> 1) jawboned the fed to lower interest rates..which Greenspan did

>>Bush had nothing to do with Greenspan lowering interest rates.

>>2)
>>> Increase the amount of money in the economy via the tax cuts

>>He did not increase the amount of money in the economy with his tax cuts
>>because they were for the most part aimed at the very wealthy who did not
>>put their money back into this economy.  They put it overseas.  The tax cut
>>to the middle class was one that the Democrats insisted on and one of the
>>few things they won.

>>>3 Increase demand through increased government spending

>>The govenment spending done is being done overseas.  We are spending
>>billions of $$$ but that money is in Iraq not the U.S. of A

>>>   What else would you have a President (of any party) actually do.
>>> Maybe he didnt mouth phrases like "he felt our pain", but other than
>>> that, he acted appropriately

>>>  As far as recession, there will be another one..the question is
>>> always when.

>>> He has divided the country as
>>> > no one thought possible after he had absolute and unconditional support
>>when
>>> > 911 happened;

>>>   The country was evenly divided in 2000..there has been no
>>> fundamental shift since then after the shock of 9/11 wore off. The
>>> only difference is the dislike of Bush by your side has escalated to
>>> full blown hatred

>>You are completely wrong.  If you do a search for my posts and those of
>>other's, you will see that we gave Bush complete support after 911.  It was
>>not until he fabricated an excuse to invade Iraq that he lost that support.
>>The man's arrogance and complete disrespect for other's point of view is
>>what has divided this country and NOT that every individual has a different
>>perspective.

>>>  He hasn't captured Bin Laden and the Taliban is not only
>>> > functioning in Afghanistan

>>>   Really..What towns do the Taliban control?

>>Are you really unaware of the Taliban's resurgence in both Iraq and
>>Afghanistan?
>>http://www.cursor.org/stories/secondcoming.html
>>http://www.startribune.com/stories/561/4915435.html

>>again I don't want to do your work for you.  If you really are interested
>>all of this material is readily available.

>>>                                                               T.Carr

>>> but Iraq officials have said they will have a
>>> > place in the government in Iraq; AND (oh s#!^..... twilight zone......)
>>> > Sighhhh,  Nevermind.... (what's that I hear about violins on
>>> > television)......

>>Carr's rebuttal is well thought out, on point, and without vitriol.
>>Good work, T. Carr, good work.

>He can spin with the best of 'em.

>>>"T.Carr" <TCarr13...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>news:8c213b2e.0408161717.2039a9a3@posting.google.com...
>>>> "dkat" <d...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Vc7Uc.14432> dkat"
>>><d...@hotmail.com

>>>> > WHAT are you smoking honey?  I want SOME!!!  Our economy had a small
>>>> > recession (minute one the W exasperated by badmouthing the economy which
>>>> > Greenspan scolded him for);

>>>>   1) Credible cite for you claim wrt Greenspan please

>>>very nice article.
>>>http://www.epinet.org/printer.cfm?id=79&content_type=1&nice_name=webf...
>>>http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2000/0006.thompson.html

>>>but does not address your question.  I believe most here remember very
>>>clearly when Bush was trying to bully through his Tax cut for the most
>>>wealthy and claimed that we were heading into a big recession which only the
>>>taxcut could save us from.  The market took a dive as soon as he made that
>>>claim and Greenspan had to take him aside and tell him that a president had
>>>to be more responsible for what he said given that his words alone had to
>>>power to panic the market (which it had).  I have not found any quotes as
>>>yet because W's entire time in office has been such a disaster that all of
>>>the normal search words for that incident just bring up hundreds of links to
>>>our current problems.  I will find it though and post it when I do.  In the
>>>mean time - if others remember please back me on it.

>>>>   2) The economy was clearly declining in the second 1/2 of 2000

>>>The economy was declining?  That is a rather broad brush stroke but fine.
>>>The NASDAQ was diving early in 2000 - that I will agree to.  If you look at
>>>a long term plot of the market

>>> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=^IXIC&t=my&l=off&z=m&q=l&c=^GSPC,^IXIC,^DJI

>>> it is very clear that the other indexes were doing fine and things were
>>>improving after the tax 'advance' to the middle class. The market was on
>>>it's way up after 911 as well.  President Bush has had almost 4 years and
>>>the best you can say for him is that he has made it much nicer for the very,
>>>very wealthy and screwed everyone else.  Don't confuse your inflation index
>>>with as a barometer to the economy.  Gas prices rising is going to push the
>>>price of everything up while the recession/depression pushes prices down.
>>>If things were at all better than they are the increase we had in gas/oil
>>>prices would have jacked inflation up alot.  That should make you worry.

>>>>  He has made so many bad decisions that the
>>>> > economy will now have both inflation (from increased oil prices) and
>>>> > recession (as more people become unemployed);

>>>>   Where did you study econ?

>>>>   Inflation increased just 0.1 % last month (www.bls.gov.)

>>>>   When the decline he inherited from the previous administration
>>>> became a full blown recession, Bush did all the traditional responses
>>>> 1) jawboned the fed to lower interest rates..which Greenspan did

>>>Bush had nothing to do with Greenspan lowering interest rates.

>>>2)
>>>> Increase the amount of money in the economy via the tax cuts

>>>He did not increase the amount of money in the economy with his tax cuts
>>>because they were for the most part aimed at the very wealthy who did not
>>>put their money back into this economy.  They put it overseas.  The tax cut
>>>to the middle class was one that the Democrats insisted on and one of the
>>>few things they won.

>>>>3 Increase demand through increased government spending

>>>The govenment spending done is being done overseas.  We are spending
>>>billions of $$$ but that money is in Iraq not the U.S. of A

>>>>   What else would you have a President (of any party) actually do.
>>>> Maybe he didnt mouth phrases like "he felt our pain", but other than
>>>> that, he acted appropriately

>>>>  As far as recession, there will be another one..the question is
>>>> always when.

>>>> He has divided the country as
>>>> > no one thought possible after he had absolute and unconditional support
>>>when
>>>> > 911 happened;

>>>>   The country was evenly divided in 2000..there has been no
>>>> fundamental shift since then after the shock of 9/11 wore off. The
>>>> only difference is the dislike of Bush by your side has escalated to
>>>> full blown hatred

>>>You are completely wrong.  If you do a search for my posts and those of
>>>other's, you will see that we gave Bush complete support after 911.  It was
>>>not until he fabricated an excuse to invade Iraq that he lost that support.
>>>The man's arrogance and complete disrespect for other's point of view is
>>>what has divided this country and NOT that every individual has a different
>>>perspective.

>>>>  He hasn't captured Bin Laden and the Taliban is not only
>>>> > functioning in Afghanistan

>>>>   Really..What towns do the Taliban control?

>>>Are you really unaware of the Taliban's resurgence in both Iraq and
>>>Afghanistan?
>>>http://www.cursor.org/stories/secondcoming.html
>>>http://www.startribune.com/stories/561/4915435.html

>>>again I don't want to do your work for you.  If you really are interested
>>>all of this material is readily available.

>>>>                                                               T.Carr

>>>> but Iraq officials have said they will have a
>>>> > place in the government in Iraq; AND (oh s#!^..... twilight zone......)
>>>> > Sighhhh,  Nevermind.... (what's that I hear about violins on
>>>> > television)......

> >On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:06:03 GMT, Zeke D. Cork <Z...@home.net> wrote:

> >>Carr's rebuttal is well thought out, on point, and without vitriol.
> >>Good work, T. Carr, good work.

> >He can spin with the best of 'em.

> that certainly was pithy.  what did the batteries run out before you
> could say something intelligent ?