Rush Limbaugh accidentally endorses Obamacare
Cliff
http://trueslant.com/rickungar/2010/01/03/rush-limbaugh-accidentally-endorses-obamacare/
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Released from the hospital with a clean bill of health, Rush instantly took the
opportunity to take a shot at the effort to reform the health care system while
effusively praising the Hawaiian hospital that had taken such good care of him.
I donīŋŊt think thereīŋŊs one thing wrong with the American health care system. I
got no special treatment other than what anybody else that would have called 911
and had been brought in with the same kinds of symptoms.
Via USA Today
Now, I suspect old Rush has a pretty good health insurance policy, even if he
does smoke cigars like a chimney and carry around about 100 extra pounds. So I
wondered if Limbaugh could bring himself to give some thought as to how it might
have gone for someone who was not so fortunate as to have quality health
insurance coverage.
Then, it hit me. Limbaugh was actually right. He was telling the truth when he
said he did not receive special treatment because, since 1974 when mandated
health insurance was instituted in Hawaii, pretty much everyone in Hawaii has
the same health care availability afforded to Rush.
It turns out that Limbaugh has not been keeping up with his current events. If
he had, he might have known he was lavishing praise on the most socialistic
medical system in the United States.
Not only is Hawaii the closest thing to a socialist health care system in the
nation, it was actually the model for the Clinton AdministrationīŋŊs failed effort
to institute universal health coverage back in the early 1990īŋŊs. Despite the
fact that the state has the highest costs in the country for just about
everything īŋŊ due to the necessity of shipping everything to the islands from the
mainland- Hawaiian comprehensive health insurance comes with some of the
smallest co-pays and premium charges in the country. WhatīŋŊs more, the costs per
Medicare beneficiary is the lowest in the United States.
Oops.
With everyone covered by primary care, emergency room visits tend to be for real
emergencies, not the non-emergent care mainland ERs dispense for people without
coverage. That reduces the costs of ERs and the costs of non-emergent medicine
since patients can be handled less expensively and more effectively by their
primary doctors. Hospitals have not overbuilt, acquiring expensive machines to
compete with their neighbors for patients. Insurance companies have instituted
screening and other measures to improve wellness among their covered
populations.
Via Fox4 TV Kansas City
And yet, there was Limbaugh standing before the cameras extolling the virtues of
his Hawaiian health care. No complaints about long waiting times to see a
doctor. No complaints about slow emergency room care. No complaints about
waiting lists to receive important tests. No complaints about aged or inadequate
technology.
Quite the contrary. It seems that, from LimbaughīŋŊs point of view, the
socialistic Hawaiian medical system, in practice now for over three decades, was
as good as it gets.
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Asshole Limpballs
"Cliff" <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
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> ....
> Released from the hospital with a clean bill of health, Rush instantly
> took the
> opportunity to take a shot at the effort to reform the health care system
> while
> effusively praising the Hawaiian hospital that had taken such good care of
> him.
>
> effort
> to institute universal health coverage back in the early 1990's. Despite
> the
> fact that the state has the highest costs in the country for just about
> from the
> mainland- Hawaiian comprehensive health insurance comes with some of the
> socialistic Hawaiian medical system, in practice now for over three
> decades, was
> as good as it gets.
> ....
> ]
The real irony with the drugster and his trip to hospital in Hawaii is, that
he was attended to by union paramedics, transported by government ambulance,
had union nurses in hospital, and to top it off, in a state run universal
health care system.
Wonder why he didn't insist on a "private sector" solution to his health
problem?
Rush went to Hawaii to get frisked by Jack Lord and to give Dan'l a
"reach-around" in an airport men's room. <snicker>
Curly Surmudgeon
<Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
> http://trueslant.com/rickungar/2010/01/03/rush-limbaugh-accidentally-
endorses-obamacare/
> [
> ....
> Released from the hospital with a clean bill of health, Rush instantly
> took the opportunity to take a shot at the effort to reform the health
> care system while effusively praising the Hawaiian hospital that had
> taken such good care of him.
>
> I don’t think there’s one thing wrong with the American health care
> system. I got no special treatment other than what anybody else that
> would have called 911 and had been brought in with the same kinds of
> symptoms. Via USA Today
>
> Now, I suspect old Rush has a pretty good health insurance policy, even
> if he does smoke cigars like a chimney and carry around about 100 extra
> pounds. So I wondered if Limbaugh could bring himself to give some
> thought as to how it might have gone for someone who was not so
> fortunate as to have quality health insurance coverage.
>
> Then, it hit me. Limbaugh was actually right. He was telling the truth
> when he said he did not receive special treatment because, since 1974
> when mandated health insurance was instituted in Hawaii, pretty much
> everyone in Hawaii has the same health care availability afforded to
> Rush.
>
> It turns out that Limbaugh has not been keeping up with his current
> events. If he had, he might have known he was lavishing praise on the
> most socialistic medical system in the United States.
>
> Not only is Hawaii the closest thing to a socialist health care system
> in the nation, it was actually the model for the Clinton
> Administration’s failed effort to institute universal health coverage
> back in the early 1990’s. Despite the fact that the state has the
> highest costs in the country for just about everything – due to the
> necessity of shipping everything to the islands from the mainland-
> Hawaiian comprehensive health insurance comes with some of the smallest
> co-pays and premium charges in the country. What’s more, the costs per
> Medicare beneficiary is the lowest in the United States.
>
> Oops.
>
> With everyone covered by primary care, emergency room visits tend to be
> for real emergencies, not the non-emergent care mainland ERs dispense
> for people without coverage. That reduces the costs of ERs and the costs
> of non-emergent medicine since patients can be handled less expensively
> and more effectively by their primary doctors. Hospitals have not
> overbuilt, acquiring expensive machines to compete with their neighbors
> for patients. Insurance companies have instituted screening and other
> measures to improve wellness among their covered populations.
> Via Fox4 TV Kansas City
>
> And yet, there was Limbaugh standing before the cameras extolling the
> virtues of his Hawaiian health care. No complaints about long waiting
> times to see a doctor. No complaints about slow emergency room care. No
> complaints about waiting lists to receive important tests. No complaints
> about aged or inadequate technology.
>
> Quite the contrary. It seems that, from Limbaugh’s point of view, the
> socialistic Hawaiian medical system, in practice now for over three
> decades, was as good as it gets.
> ....
> ]
The current U.S. healthcare bill does not resemble Hawaii's model and is
a frankenstein that does nothing to mitigate outrageous costs. Without a
public option it only rewards the pirates.
Without breaking the monopolies who have run up costs any bill is a lie.
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Michael Price
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Well perhaps because it would have been enormously cheaper without
government interference. The claim that government reduces costs
is false and anyone who studies it knows that. For instance it
doesn't
take into account waiting time, which is a cost, even if it's not
monetary.
Government "universal" systems can seem like improvements for a while,
because they're running on accumulated social and technological
capital,
then they go downhill.
Then this happens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD2UUH4E2Xs
Asshole Limpballs
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Yet Limpballs praised Hawaii's socialist hospital system. Why? Because it
works.
wmbjk...@citlink.net
<CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>The current U.S. healthcare bill does not resemble Hawaii's model and is
>a frankenstein that does nothing to mitigate outrageous costs. Without a
>public option it only rewards the pirates.
>
>Without breaking the monopolies who have run up costs any bill is a lie.
I'm reminded of Walter Matthau in A New Leaf
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067482/. He was riding in his Ferrari
which was on the hook of a tow truck, and complaining about how every
time he took the car out for a drive it would die due to "carbon on
the valves". Apparently we're going to keep right on driving our
unreliable and costly Ferraris until all our money is in the tow truck
owners' pockets. Then we're going to elect Palin or some other
quack-of-the-moment who promises that they can cure everything by
bringing prayer back to schools or some such. It'd be funny if it
wasn't insanely likely.
Wayne
Sueki Tartridge
> "Cliff" <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in message
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> Wonder why he didn't insist on a "private sector" solution to his health
> problem?
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Why is it any of your business?
> Rush went to Hawaii to get frisked by Jack Lord and to give Dan'l a
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Vandar
It is neither socialist nor universal, knucklehead.
Asshole Limpballs
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Why is it any of your business?
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Why? Are you retarded, Sucki?
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
If we actually had death panels, his name would be at the top of the
list.
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Morton Davis
"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <Pa...@Hovnanian.com> wrote in message
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> He debunked all that BS about 'death panels' at the same time.
>
> If we actually had death panels, his name would be at the top of the
> list.
>
>
write them out of the bills?
BTW: Limbaugh is a multimillionaire who can buy his own hospital wing if he
wants to.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
And in fact..has done so.
Gunner
pyotr filipivich
<gun...@lightspeed.net> reported Elvis on Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:52:30
-0800 in misc.survivalism:
>>> He debunked all that BS about 'death panels' at the same time.
>>> If we actually had death panels, his name would be at the top of the
>>> list.
>>Since death panels didn't exist - why'd they make a big fuss about having to
>>write them out of the bills?
>>
>>BTW: Limbaugh is a multimillionaire who can buy his own hospital wing if he
>>wants to.
>>
>And in fact..has done so.
I wonder if the progressives can tell the difference between
health care, and insurance? That what the Democrats in Congress have
passed is not about healthcare at all, but how to pay for it.
And if the Feds are going to be paying for it, they're going to be
the ones deciding just what it is they're going to pay for.
Damn, more idiots who have no idea what "He who pays the piper,
calls the tune." means.
pyotr
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pyotr filipivich
Next Months Panel: Suicide - getting it right the first time.
Christopher Helms
> "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <P...@Hovnanian.com> wrote in messagenews:4B4287AE...@Hovnanian.com...> He debunked all that BS about 'death panels' at the same time.
>
> > If we actually had death panels, his name would be at the top of the
> > list.
>
> Since death panels didn't exist - why'd they make a big fuss about having to
> write them out of the bills?
They didn't "write them out of the bill." The Democrats felt compelled
to change the language about the government *paying* to help oldsters
make end-of-life decisions because factually challenged right wingers
like Sarah Palin and Charles Grassley had millions of Americans
pulling their hair out believing that Obama was ready to either let
granny die or come to her house and physically kill her rather than
pay to keep her alive. Sarah and Charles were lying through their
teeth, but who cares? Conservatives had senior citizens loading their
Depends over something that didn't actually exist and that was a lot
more valuable to them than the mundane truth. Panicked blue hairs
flooded Congress with terrified, shakily written letters and calls
placed from rotary dial phones and the Democrats caved, as they always
do. They only did it so people who remembered the Harding
Administration would shut the fuck up and go back to what they had
been doing, which had been watching Wheel of Fortune and falling
asleep in front of the TV with the volume at 29 until Caribou Barbie
rattled them out of their post-supper torpor with threats of
government sponsored codgercide. They were tired of the people I'm
always getting behind in traffic flooding Congress with panicked calls
and letters about phantom "death panels" so they changed the language
so that their end of life decisions will be left where they currently
are: In the gentle, caring hands of for-profit insurance conglomerates
who will never decide that somebody just isn't worth the cost
anymore.
Michael Price
> "Michael Price" <nini_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Everything works if you spend enough. And government costs more the
free enterprise, which is why progressives like it. The claim that a
system
works is sustained by totally preventing a free market system from
operating
to compare it with.
Michael Price
> He debunked all that BS about 'death panels' at the same time.
>
> If we actually had death panels, his name would be at the top of the
> list.
>
Rush certainly had a lot of insurance and therefore wouldn't be on a
candidat for a "death panel", which by definition is for people who's
insurance ran out. Of course as observed on reason.com predictions
of how bad things will get under government generally come true.
Certainly someone will have to decide when to cut off care. Call it a
"death panel" or anything else you like.
> --
> Paul Hovnanian mailto:P...@Hovnanian.com
Cliff
He got no special treatment per him.
They locked down the entire wing .... as if they had the Pope.
>Gunner
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Cliff
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Gunner Asch
> <gun...@lightspeed.net> reported Elvis on Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:52:30
> -0800 in misc.survivalism:
>>On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:30:46 -0600, "Morton Davis" <anti...@go.com>
>>wrote:
>>>"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <Pa...@Hovnanian.com> wrote:
>>>> He debunked all that BS about 'death panels' at the same time.
>>>> If we actually had death panels, his name would be at the top of the
>>>> list.
>>>Since death panels didn't exist - why'd they make a big fuss about having
>>>to write them out of the bills?
>>>
>>>BTW: Limbaugh is a multimillionaire who can buy his own hospital wing if
>>>he wants to.
>>>
>>And in fact..has done so.
>
> I wonder if the progressives can tell the difference between
> health care, and insurance? That what the Democrats in Congress have
> passed is not about healthcare at all, but how to pay for it.
Correct. The entire emphasis has been on providing healthcare for the
uninsured or underinsured. Not its cost.
> And if the Feds are going to be paying for it, they're going to be
> the ones deciding just what it is they're going to pay for.
Or they'll be the ones who have enough purchasing power to force volume
discounts from the providers. That's the only was we're going to keep costs
under control. Particularly when they've just gone and increased the demand
for the current supply of services.
Doctors, hospitals and drug companies must be laughing all the way to the
bank right now.
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[snip]
>
> BTW: Limbaugh is a multimillionaire who can buy his own hospital wing if
> he wants to.
That won't help him if he's traveling in a different city when he gets sick.
Or if he gets mugged and his ID is lifted. Then he's just another hobo found
beaten up, lying in the gutter. Come to think of it, he does look quite a
bit like one of our "Will work for food" off-ramp beggars. He'd better hope
the city he's in has a damned good public health care program up to the
point where he regains consciousness.
Cliff
wrote:
>I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Gunner Asch
><gun...@lightspeed.net> reported Elvis on Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:52:30
>-0800 in misc.survivalism:
>>On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:30:46 -0600, "Morton Davis" <anti...@go.com>
>>wrote:
>>>"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <Pa...@Hovnanian.com> wrote:
>>>> He debunked all that BS about 'death panels' at the same time.
>>>> If we actually had death panels, his name would be at the top of the
>>>> list.
>>>Since death panels didn't exist - why'd they make a big fuss about having to
>>>write them out of the bills?
>>>
>>>BTW: Limbaugh is a multimillionaire who can buy his own hospital wing if he
>>>wants to.
>>>
>>And in fact..has done so.
>
> I wonder if the progressives can tell the difference between
>health care, and insurance? That what the Democrats in Congress have
>passed is not about healthcare at all, but how to pay for it.
Where was the Party of NO & lies?
> And if the Feds are going to be paying for it, they're going to be
>the ones deciding just what it is they're going to pay for.
You don't know what's going on, eh?
>
> Damn, more idiots who have no idea what "He who pays the piper,
>calls the tune." means.
IOW gummer is dead.
>
>pyotr
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>pyotr filipivich
>Next Months Panel: Suicide - getting it right the first time.
Wingers lay eggs.
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Cliff
Frito Pendejo
> http://trueslant.com/rickungar/2010/01/03/rush-limbaugh-accidentally-endorses-obamacare/
>
> It turns out that Limbaugh has not been keeping up with his current events. If
> he had, he might have known he was lavishing praise on the most socialistic
> medical system in the United States.
>
> Not only is Hawaii the closest thing to a socialist health care system in the
> to institute universal health coverage back in the early 1990�s. Despite the
> fact that the state has the highest costs in the country for just about
> mainland- Hawaiian comprehensive health insurance comes with some of the
> Medicare beneficiary is the lowest in the United States.
>
> Oops.
Whether Hawaii's health care system is socialist or not is
irrelevant, since it is constitutional.
According to that pesky 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution,
any powers not specifically granted to the federal government by
the Constitution or its Amendments are denied to it and reserved
to the States.
The Constitution and Amendments do not permit the federal
government to operate a government-run health care system. But
nothing denies states the right to operate their own
government-run health care systems. The people of Hawaii duly
voted for such a system and got it. But the only way to create
a national health care system is to amend the Constitution.
If national health care enjoys such widespread public support as
is claimed by the Democrats, amending the Constitution should be
no problem. But the ratification process would involve debate
and transparency, something the Democrats obviously don't want,
which is why the try to sneak an unconstitutional 2000-page law
through in the middle of the night.
Lookout
wrote:
>Cliff wrote:
>> http://trueslant.com/rickungar/2010/01/03/rush-limbaugh-accidentally-endorses-obamacare/
>>
>> It turns out that Limbaugh has not been keeping up with his current events. If
>> he had, he might have known he was lavishing praise on the most socialistic
>> medical system in the United States.
>>
>> Not only is Hawaii the closest thing to a socialist health care system in the
>> nation, it was actually the model for the Clinton Administration�s failed effort
>> to institute universal health coverage back in the early 1990�s. Despite the
>> fact that the state has the highest costs in the country for just about
>> everything � due to the necessity of shipping everything to the islands from the
>> mainland- Hawaiian comprehensive health insurance comes with some of the
>> smallest co-pays and premium charges in the country. What�s more, the costs per
>> Medicare beneficiary is the lowest in the United States.
>>
>> Oops.
>
>Whether Hawaii's health care system is socialist or not is
>irrelevant, since it is constitutional.
>
>According to that pesky 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution,
>any powers not specifically granted to the federal government by
>the Constitution or its Amendments are denied to it and reserved
>to the States.
>
>The Constitution and Amendments do not permit the federal
>government to operate a government-run health care system.
Uh..what do you call VA hospitals? It seems you are interpreting the
law wrong
> But
>nothing denies states the right to operate their own
>government-run health care systems. The people of Hawaii duly
>voted for such a system and got it. But the only way to create
>a national health care system is to amend the Constitution.
>
>If national health care enjoys such widespread public support as
>is claimed by the Democrats, amending the Constitution should be
>no problem.
Not necessary. You can continue to whine about it but you're wrong.
>But the ratification process would involve debate
>and transparency, something the Democrats obviously don't want,
>which is why the try to sneak an unconstitutional 2000-page law
>through in the middle of the night.
No sneaking at all. Again, you're wrong.
Cliff
>Cliff wrote:
>> http://trueslant.com/rickungar/2010/01/03/rush-limbaugh-accidentally-endorses-obamacare/
>>
>> It turns out that Limbaugh has not been keeping up with his current events. If
>> he had, he might have known he was lavishing praise on the most socialistic
>> medical system in the United States.
>>
>> Not only is Hawaii the closest thing to a socialist health care system in the
>> nation, it was actually the model for the Clinton Administration�s failed effort
>> to institute universal health coverage back in the early 1990�s. Despite the
>> fact that the state has the highest costs in the country for just about
>> everything � due to the necessity of shipping everything to the islands from the
>> mainland- Hawaiian comprehensive health insurance comes with some of the
>> smallest co-pays and premium charges in the country. What�s more, the costs per
>> Medicare beneficiary is the lowest in the United States.
>>
>> Oops.
>
>Whether Hawaii's health care system is socialist or not is
>irrelevant, since it is constitutional.
>
>According to that pesky 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution,
>any powers not specifically granted to the federal government by
>the Constitution or its Amendments are denied to it and reserved
>to the States.
>
>The Constitution and Amendments do not permit the federal
>government to operate a government-run health care system.
I guess you don't know anything about it.
Where is it prohibited in the US Constitution?
Have you informed all those on Medicare or getting VA health care?
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Cliff