Ten Days of Socialism-Day Six
Dionysus
(not think) it is compassionate and moral. In these ten days of Christmas we
will examine why socialism-and its compadres marxism and liberalism-are both
immoral and inhuman. Conversely, conservatism not only objectively produces
better for society, but is the moral alternative to the evil that is
socialism.
During this season of joy and wonder, ponder another glistening ornament on
the Christmas tree of political philosophy:
6. Every time the government redistributes wealth the economy suffers as
well�and even hurts the people it is trying to help! It reduces incentives
for productive activity of both the classes from whom the money is taken and
to whom the money is given. If a father continually takes money from a
successful son and gives it to a slothful son, eventually both sons will
become less productive and tainted. The welfare mess is a classic example of
failed government intervention. We have 50 years experience that proves that
oppressive utopian ideas of �compassion� only imprison the welfare class
into perpetual poverty. An interesting current comparison is Texas vs.
California. Texas has a conservative philosophy of government while
California has taken the liberal utopian route. Texas, as of October 2009,
had an 8.3% unemployment rate, while California�s unemployment rate was
12.9%�55% higher than Texas. Who is doing a better job for its citizens,
including for the working class? Watch this fascinating short clip of Milton
Friedman on the Phil Donahue show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A.
*********************
Merry Christmas.
No Surrender!
Dionysus
Freestyle
> INTRODUCTION: Some Americans feel (not think) socialism is good; they feel
> (not think) it is compassionate and moral. In these ten days of Christmas we
> will examine why socialism-and its compadres marxism and liberalism-are both
> immoral and inhuman. Conversely, conservatism not only objectively produces
> better for society, but is the moral alternative to the evil that is
> socialism.
>
> During this season of joy and wonder, ponder another glistening ornament on
> the Christmas tree of political philosophy:
>
> 6. Every time the government redistributes wealth the economy suffers as
> for productive activity of both the classes from whom the money is taken and
> to whom the money is given. If a father continually takes money from a
> successful son and gives it to a slothful son, eventually both sons will
> become less productive and tainted. The welfare mess is a classic example of
> failed government intervention. We have 50 years experience that proves that
> into perpetual poverty. An interesting current comparison is Texas vs.
> California. Texas has a conservative philosophy of government while
> California has taken the liberal utopian route. Texas, as of October 2009,
> 12.9%—55% higher than Texas. Who is doing a better job for its citizens,
> including for the working class? Watch this fascinating short clip of Milton
> Friedman on the Phil Donahue show:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A.
> *********************
> Merry Christmas.
>
> No Surrender!
>
> Dionysus
Do you have the balls to take and strictly adhere to the anti-
Socialism pledge?
Put your money where your pie hole is.
I, ________________________________, do solemnly swear to uphold the
principles of a socialism-free society and heretofore pledge my word
that I shall strictly adhere to the following:
I pledge to eliminate all government intervention in my life.
I will abstain from the use of and participation in any socialist
goods and services including but not limited to the following:
* Social Security
* Medicare/Medicaid
* State Children’s Health Insurance Programs (SCHIP)
* Police, Fire, and Emergency Services
* US Postal Service
* Roads and Highway
* Air Travel (regulated by the socialist FAA)
* The US Railway System
* Public Subways and Metro Systems
* Public Bus and Lightrail Systems
* Rest Areas on Highways
* Sidewalks
* All Government-Funded Local/State Projects (e.g., see Iowa
2009federal senate appropriations–http://grassley.senate.gov/issues/
upload/Master-Approps-73109.pdf)
* Public Water and Sewer Services (goodbye socialist toilet, shower,
dishwasher, kitchen sink, outdoor hose!)
* Public and State Universities and Colleges
* Public Primary and Secondary Schools
* Sesame Street
* Publicly Funded Anti-Drug Use Education for Children
* Public Museums
* Libraries
* Public Parksand Beaches
* State and National Parks
* Public Zoos
* Unemployment Insurance
* Municipal Garbage and Recycling Services
* Treatment at Any Hospital or Clinic That Ever Received Funding From
Local, Stateor Federal Government (pretty much all of them)
* Medical Services and Medications That Were Created or Derived From
Any Government Grant or Research Funding (again, pretty much all of
them)
* Socialist Byproducts of Government Investment Such as Duct Tape and
Velcro (Nazi-NASA Inventions)
* Use of the Internets, email, and networked computers, as the DoD’s
ARPANET was the basis for subsequent computer networking
* Foodstuffs, Meats, Produce and Crops That Were Grown With, Fed
With,
Raised With or That Contain Inputs From Crops Grown With Government
Subsidies
* Clothing Made from Crops (e.g. cotton) That Were Grown With or That
Contain Inputs From Government Subsidies
* If a veteran of the government-run socialist US military, I will
forego my VA benefits and insist on paying for my own medical care
* I will not tour socialist government buildings like the Capitol in
Washington, D.C.
I pledge to never take myself, my family, or my children on a tour of
the following types of socialistlocations, including but not limited
to:
* Smithsonian Museums such as the Air and Space Museum or Museum of
American History
* The socialist Washington, Lincoln, and Jefferson Monuments
* The government-operated Statue of Liberty
* The Grand Canyon
* The socialist World War II and Vietnam Veterans Memorials
* The government-run socialist-propaganda location known as Arlington
National Cemetery
* All other public-funded socialist sites, whether it be in my state
or in Washington, DC
I will urge my Member of Congress and Senators to forego their
government salary and government-provided healthcare.
I will oppose and condemn the government-funded and therefore
socialist military of the United States of America.
I will boycott the products of socialist defense contractors such as
GE, Lockheed-Martin, Boeing, Northrop Grumman, General Dynamics,
Raytheon, Humana, FedEx, General Motors, Honeywell, and hundreds of
others that are paid by our socialist government to produce goods for
our socialist army.
I will protest socialist security departments such as the Pentagon,
FBI, CIA, Department of Homeland Security, TSA, Department of Justice
and their socialist employees.
Upon reaching eligible retirement age, I will tear up my socialist
Social Security checks.
Upon reaching age 65, I will forego Medicare and pay for my own
private health insurance until I die.
SWORN ON A BIBLE AND SIGNED THIS DAY OF ____________
IN THE YEAR ______________.
___________________________
Signed
John Galt
> On Dec 19, 10:06 am, "Dionysus" <no.surren...@never.net> wrote:
>> INTRODUCTION: Some Americans feel (not think) socialism is good; they feel
>> (not think) it is compassionate and moral. In these ten days of Christmas we
>> will examine why socialism-and its compadres marxism and liberalism-are both
>> immoral and inhuman. Conversely, conservatism not only objectively produces
>> better for society, but is the moral alternative to the evil that is
>> socialism.
>>
>> During this season of joy and wonder, ponder another glistening ornament on
>> the Christmas tree of political philosophy:
>>
>> 6. Every time the government redistributes wealth the economy suffers as
>> for productive activity of both the classes from whom the money is taken and
>> to whom the money is given. If a father continually takes money from a
>> successful son and gives it to a slothful son, eventually both sons will
>> become less productive and tainted. The welfare mess is a classic example of
>> failed government intervention. We have 50 years experience that proves that
>> into perpetual poverty. An interesting current comparison is Texas vs.
>> California. Texas has a conservative philosophy of government while
>> California has taken the liberal utopian route. Texas, as of October 2009,
>> including for the working class? Watch this fascinating short clip of Milton
>> Friedman on the Phil Donahue show:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A.
>> *********************
>> Merry Christmas.
>>
>> No Surrender!
>>
>> Dionysus
>
>
> Do you have the balls to take and strictly adhere to the anti-
> Socialism pledge?
If you write one that adheres to the dictionary definition of
"socialism" (the following doesn't), I'll be glad to sign it.
JG
> Put your money where your pie hole is.
>
>
> I, ________________________________, do solemnly swear to uphold the
> principles of a socialism-free society and heretofore pledge my word
> that I shall strictly adhere to the following:
>
>
> I pledge to eliminate all government intervention in my life.
>
> I will abstain from the use of and participation in any socialist
> goods and services including but not limited to the following:
> * Social Security
> * Medicare/Medicaid
> * State Children�s Health Insurance Programs (SCHIP)
> * Police, Fire, and Emergency Services
> * US Postal Service
> * Roads and Highway
> * Air Travel (regulated by the socialist FAA)
> * The US Railway System
> * Public Subways and Metro Systems
> * Public Bus and Lightrail Systems
> * Rest Areas on Highways
> * Sidewalks
> * All Government-Funded Local/State Projects (e.g., see Iowa
> 2009federal senate appropriations�http://grassley.senate.gov/issues/
> upload/Master-Approps-73109.pdf)
> * Public Water and Sewer Services (goodbye socialist toilet, shower,
> dishwasher, kitchen sink, outdoor hose!)
> * Public and State Universities and Colleges
> * Public Primary and Secondary Schools
> * Sesame Street
> * Publicly Funded Anti-Drug Use Education for Children
> * Public Museums
> * Libraries
> * Public Parksand Beaches
> * State and National Parks
> * Public Zoos
> * Unemployment Insurance
> * Municipal Garbage and Recycling Services
> * Treatment at Any Hospital or Clinic That Ever Received Funding From
> Local, Stateor Federal Government (pretty much all of them)
> * Medical Services and Medications That Were Created or Derived From
> Any Government Grant or Research Funding (again, pretty much all of
> them)
> * Socialist Byproducts of Government Investment Such as Duct Tape and
> Velcro (Nazi-NASA Inventions)
> * Use of the Internets, email, and networked computers, as the DoD�s
Dionysus
"Freestyle" <bris...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 19, 10:06 am, "Dionysus" <no.surren...@never.net> wrote:
> INTRODUCTION: Some Americans feel (not think) socialism is good; they feel
> (not think) it is compassionate and moral. In these ten days of Christmas
> we
> will examine why socialism-and its compadres marxism and liberalism-are
> both
> immoral and inhuman. Conversely, conservatism not only objectively
> produces
> better for society, but is the moral alternative to the evil that is
> socialism.
>
> During this season of joy and wonder, ponder another glistening ornament
> on
> the Christmas tree of political philosophy:
>
> 6. Every time the government redistributes wealth the economy suffers as
> for productive activity of both the classes from whom the money is taken
> and
> to whom the money is given. If a father continually takes money from a
> successful son and gives it to a slothful son, eventually both sons will
> become less productive and tainted. The welfare mess is a classic example
> of
> failed government intervention. We have 50 years experience that proves
> that
> into perpetual poverty. An interesting current comparison is Texas vs.
> California. Texas has a conservative philosophy of government while
> California has taken the liberal utopian route. Texas, as of October 2009,
> including for the working class? Watch this fascinating short clip of
> Milton
> Friedman on the Phil Donahue
> show:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A.
> *********************
> Merry Christmas.
>
> No Surrender!
>
> Dionysus
Do you have the balls to take and strictly adhere to the anti-
Socialism pledge?
Put your money where your pie hole is.
****************
I realize you think you're oh, so clever, but you are just siily, after all.
Merry Christmas.
Dionysus
I, ________________________________, do solemnly swear to uphold the
principles of a socialism-free society and heretofore pledge my word
that I shall strictly adhere to the following:
I pledge to eliminate all government intervention in my life.
I will abstain from the use of and participation in any socialist
goods and services including but not limited to the following:
* Social Security
* Medicare/Medicaid
* State Children�s Health Insurance Programs (SCHIP)
* Police, Fire, and Emergency Services
* US Postal Service
* Roads and Highway
* Air Travel (regulated by the socialist FAA)
* The US Railway System
* Public Subways and Metro Systems
* Public Bus and Lightrail Systems
* Rest Areas on Highways
* Sidewalks
* All Government-Funded Local/State Projects (e.g., see Iowa
2009federal senate appropriations�http://grassley.senate.gov/issues/
upload/Master-Approps-73109.pdf)
* Public Water and Sewer Services (goodbye socialist toilet, shower,
dishwasher, kitchen sink, outdoor hose!)
* Public and State Universities and Colleges
* Public Primary and Secondary Schools
* Sesame Street
* Publicly Funded Anti-Drug Use Education for Children
* Public Museums
* Libraries
* Public Parksand Beaches
* State and National Parks
* Public Zoos
* Unemployment Insurance
* Municipal Garbage and Recycling Services
* Treatment at Any Hospital or Clinic That Ever Received Funding From
Local, Stateor Federal Government (pretty much all of them)
* Medical Services and Medications That Were Created or Derived From
Any Government Grant or Research Funding (again, pretty much all of
them)
* Socialist Byproducts of Government Investment Such as Duct Tape and
Velcro (Nazi-NASA Inventions)
* Use of the Internets, email, and networked computers, as the DoD�s
Van Chocstraw
*FisherKing*
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>
> "Freestyle" <bris...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:06877234-b15a-47b6...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com.
> .. On Dec 19, 10:06 am, "Dionysus" <no.surren...@never.net> wrote:
>> INTRODUCTION: Some Americans feel (not think) socialism is good; they
>> feel (not think) it is compassionate and moral. In these ten days of
>> Christmas we
>> will examine why socialism-and its compadres marxism and
>> liberalism-are both
>> immoral and inhuman. Conversely, conservatism not only objectively
>> produces
>> better for society, but is the moral alternative to the evil that is
>> socialism.
>>
>> During this season of joy and wonder, ponder another glistening
>> ornament on
>> the Christmas tree of political philosophy:
>>
>> 6. Every time the government redistributes wealth the economy suffers
>> as well�and even hurts the people it is trying to help! It reduces
>> incentives for productive activity of both the classes from whom the
>> money is taken and
>> to whom the money is given. If a father continually takes money from
>> a successful son and gives it to a slothful son, eventually both sons
>> will become less productive and tainted. The welfare mess is a
>> classic example of
>> failed government intervention. We have 50 years experience that
>> proves that
>> oppressive utopian ideas of �compassion� only imprison the welfare
>> class into perpetual poverty. An interesting current comparison is
>> Texas vs. California. Texas has a conservative philosophy of
>> government while California has taken the liberal utopian route.
>> Texas, as of October 2009, had an 8.3% unemployment rate, while
>> California�s unemployment rate was 12.9%�55% higher than Texas. Who
>> is doing a better job for its citizens, including for the working
>> class? Watch this fascinating short clip of Milton
>> Friedman on the Phil Donahue
>> show:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A.
>> *********************
>> Merry Christmas.
>>
>> No Surrender!
>>
>> Dionysus
>
>
> Do you have the balls to take and strictly adhere to the anti-
> Socialism pledge?
> Put your money where your pie hole is.
> ****************
> I realize you think you're oh, so clever, but you are just siily,
> after all.
Just can't bring yourself to face reality, can you, Dennis?
Happy Holidays.
>
> Merry Christmas.
>
> Dionysus
>
>
> I, ________________________________, do solemnly swear to uphold the
> principles of a socialism-free society and heretofore pledge my word
> that I shall strictly adhere to the following:
>
>
> I pledge to eliminate all government intervention in my life.
>
> I will abstain from the use of and participation in any socialist
> goods and services including but not limited to the following:
> * Social Security
> * Medicare/Medicaid
> * State Children�s Health Insurance Programs (SCHIP)
> * Police, Fire, and Emergency Services
> * US Postal Service
> * Roads and Highway
> * Air Travel (regulated by the socialist FAA)
> * The US Railway System
> * Public Subways and Metro Systems
> * Public Bus and Lightrail Systems
> * Rest Areas on Highways
> * Sidewalks
> * All Government-Funded Local/State Projects (e.g., see Iowa
> 2009federal senate appropriations�http://grassley.senate.gov/issues/
> upload/Master-Approps-73109.pdf)
> * Public Water and Sewer Services (goodbye socialist toilet, shower,
> dishwasher, kitchen sink, outdoor hose!)
> * Public and State Universities and Colleges
> * Public Primary and Secondary Schools
> * Sesame Street
> * Publicly Funded Anti-Drug Use Education for Children
> * Public Museums
> * Libraries
> * Public Parksand Beaches
> * State and National Parks
> * Public Zoos
> * Unemployment Insurance
> * Municipal Garbage and Recycling Services
> * Treatment at Any Hospital or Clinic That Ever Received Funding From
> Local, Stateor Federal Government (pretty much all of them)
> * Medical Services and Medications That Were Created or Derived From
> Any Government Grant or Research Funding (again, pretty much all of
> them)
> * Socialist Byproducts of Government Investment Such as Duct Tape and
> Velcro (Nazi-NASA Inventions)
> * Use of the Internets, email, and networked computers, as the DoD�s
--
"The better educated a person is, the less likely it is that person will
be a conservative."
"Reagan proved deficits don't matter"
Dick Cheney
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it
is true that most stupid people are conservative." - John Stuart Mill
Dionysus
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> "Dionysus" <no.sur...@never.net> wrote in
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>>
>> "Freestyle" <bris...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:06877234-b15a-47b6...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com.
>> .. On Dec 19, 10:06 am, "Dionysus" <no.surren...@never.net> wrote:
>>> INTRODUCTION: Some Americans feel (not think) socialism is good; they
>>> feel (not think) it is compassionate and moral. In these ten days of
>>> Christmas we
>>> will examine why socialism-and its compadres marxism and
>>> liberalism-are both
>>> immoral and inhuman. Conversely, conservatism not only objectively
>>> produces
>>> better for society, but is the moral alternative to the evil that is
>>> socialism.
>>>
>>> During this season of joy and wonder, ponder another glistening
>>> ornament on
>>> the Christmas tree of political philosophy:
>>>
>>> 6. Every time the government redistributes wealth the economy suffers
>>> incentives for productive activity of both the classes from whom the
>>> money is taken and
>>> to whom the money is given. If a father continually takes money from
>>> a successful son and gives it to a slothful son, eventually both sons
>>> will become less productive and tainted. The welfare mess is a
>>> classic example of
>>> failed government intervention. We have 50 years experience that
>>> proves that
>>> class into perpetual poverty. An interesting current comparison is
>>> Texas vs. California. Texas has a conservative philosophy of
>>> government while California has taken the liberal utopian route.
>>> Texas, as of October 2009, had an 8.3% unemployment rate, while
>>> is doing a better job for its citizens, including for the working
>>> class? Watch this fascinating short clip of Milton
>>> Friedman on the Phil Donahue
>>> show:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A.
>>> *********************
>>> Merry Christmas.
>>>
>>> No Surrender!
>>>
>>> Dionysus
>>
>>
>> Do you have the balls to take and strictly adhere to the anti-
>> Socialism pledge?
>> Put your money where your pie hole is.
>> ****************
>> I realize you think you're oh, so clever, but you are just siily,
>> after all.
>
> Just can't bring yourself to face reality, can you, Dennis?
Hey, look everyone; it's Fish Breath. How ya doin', Fishy? They give you a
weekend pass, or did ya'll sneak out again?
Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas.
Or, in Tiger's Woods' verbiage, "Ho, ho, ho."
No Surrender!
Dionysus
>
> Happy Holidays.
>
>
>>
>> Merry Christmas.
>>
>> Dionysus
>>
>>
>> I, ________________________________, do solemnly swear to uphold the
>> principles of a socialism-free society and heretofore pledge my word
>> that I shall strictly adhere to the following:
>>
>>
>> I pledge to eliminate all government intervention in my life.
>>
>> I will abstain from the use of and participation in any socialist
>> goods and services including but not limited to the following:
>> * Social Security
>> * Medicare/Medicaid
>> * State Children�s Health Insurance Programs (SCHIP)
>> * Police, Fire, and Emergency Services
>> * US Postal Service
>> * Roads and Highway
>> * Air Travel (regulated by the socialist FAA)
>> * The US Railway System
>> * Public Subways and Metro Systems
>> * Public Bus and Lightrail Systems
>> * Rest Areas on Highways
>> * Sidewalks
>> * All Government-Funded Local/State Projects (e.g., see Iowa
>> 2009federal senate appropriations�http://grassley.senate.gov/issues/
>> upload/Master-Approps-73109.pdf)
>> * Public Water and Sewer Services (goodbye socialist toilet, shower,
>> dishwasher, kitchen sink, outdoor hose!)
>> * Public and State Universities and Colleges
>> * Public Primary and Secondary Schools
>> * Sesame Street
>> * Publicly Funded Anti-Drug Use Education for Children
>> * Public Museums
>> * Libraries
>> * Public Parksand Beaches
>> * State and National Parks
>> * Public Zoos
>> * Unemployment Insurance
>> * Municipal Garbage and Recycling Services
>> * Treatment at Any Hospital or Clinic That Ever Received Funding From
>> Local, Stateor Federal Government (pretty much all of them)
>> * Medical Services and Medications That Were Created or Derived From
>> Any Government Grant or Research Funding (again, pretty much all of
>> them)
>> * Socialist Byproducts of Government Investment Such as Duct Tape and
>> Velcro (Nazi-NASA Inventions)
>> * Use of the Internets, email, and networked computers, as the DoD�s
mani deli
power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls
capital and derives its wealth through exploitation, creates an
unequal society, does not provide equal opportunities for everyone to
maximise their potentialities and does not utilise technology and
resources to their maximum potential nor in the interests of the
public.
In 1989, at Stockholm, the 18th Congress of the Socialist
International adopted a new Declaration of Principles, saying that
Democratic socialism is an international movement for freedom, social
justice, and solidarity. Its goal is to achieve a peaceful world where
these basic values can be enhanced and where each individual can live
a meaningful life with the full development of his or her personality
and talents, and with the guarantee of human and civil rights in a
democratic framework of society.
The objectives of the Party of European Socialists, the European
Parliament's socialist bloc, are now "to pursue international aims in
respect of the principles on which the European Union is based, namely
principles of freedom, equality, solidarity, democracy, respect of
Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, and respect for the Rule of
Law."
Day Brown
> "Most socialists share the view that capitalism unfairly concentrates
> power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls
> capital and derives its wealth through exploitation, creates an
> unequal society, does not provide equal opportunities for everyone to
> maximise their potentialities and does not utilise technology and
> resources to their maximum potential nor in the interests of the
> public.
This ignores the vast majority of hominids that like to gamble. They
will tolerate the excesses of the rich in the hopes that they too, one
way or other, mite yet become rich. Its why they buy lottery tickets.
You want them to quit playing the game. Forget it.
But the house, that is the govt and economic system, is what rewards the
rich; and just like any casino, what the house chooses to take from the
winnings is variable. If what you want to see it greater egalitarianism,
then increase the cut for the house in the form of higher taxes on the
rich. You mite point out, as I often have, it only makes sense to raise
taxes on the people who actually have the money.
Which is the rich.
Patriot Games
wrote:
>"Most socialists share the view that capitalism unfairly concentrates
>power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls
>capital and derives its wealth through exploitation, creates an
>unequal society, does not provide equal opportunities for everyone to
>maximise their potentialities and does not utilise technology and
>resources to their maximum potential nor in the interests of the
>public.
Most socialists are jealous, envious, lazy failures.
>In 1989, at Stockholm, the 18th Congress of the Socialist
>International adopted a new Declaration of Principles, saying that
>Democratic socialism is an international movement for freedom, social
>justice, and solidarity. Its goal is to achieve a peaceful world where
>these basic values can be enhanced and where each individual can live
>a meaningful life
Who defines "meaningful" life, the State?
>with the full development of his or her personality
>and talents, and with the guarantee of human and civil rights in a
>democratic framework of society.
We already have that.
zzbu...@netscape.net
It's physically impossible to boycott GE's products.
That's why the people with non-zero brains invented Atomic Clock
Wristwatches,
Light Sticks, Holograms, Microcomputers, Desktop Publishing, GPS,
The 21st Century, Drones,
Phalanx, HDTV, Home Broadband, mp3, mpeg, Blue Ray, Digital Terrain
Mapping,
USB, Digital Books, XML, The 21st Century, Compact Flourescent
Lighting,
Self-Replicating Machines, GPS, Cyber Batteries, The History
Channel,
and Self-Assembling Robots, rather than idiot New York City.
Lockheed-Martin, Boeing, Northrop Grumman, General Dynamics,
> Raytheon, Humana, FedEx, General Motors, Honeywell, and hundreds of
> others that are paid by our socialist government to produce goods for
> our socialist army.
>
> I will protest socialist security departments such as the Pentagon,
> FBI, CIA, Department of Homeland Security, TSA, Department of Justice
> and their socialist employees.
>
> Upon reaching eligible retirement age, I will tear up my socialist
> Social Security checks.
>
> Upon reaching age 65, I will forego Medicare and pay for my own
> private health insurance until I die.
>
> SWORN ON A BIBLE AND SIGNED THIS DAY OF ____________
> IN THE YEAR ______________.
>
> ___________________________
> Signed- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Topaz
Capitalism and Communism are both bad. The problem with
capitalism is that it puts no special value on people. Capitalism is
based on supply and demand. A capitalist company that made potato
chips for example would need--X number of potatoes, Y amount of salt,
and Z number of human beings for labor. The human beings have no more
value than the potatoes or the salt. And they consider it good to pay
the humans as little as they possibly can to increase their profits.
According to capitalist theory people must compete to see who
will work for the least pennies per hour. They say everyone must
compete with the people in Mexico and China to see who will work for
the fewest pennies. If a company makes billions in profit while paying
its employees starvation wages that is perfectly fine. At least the
sacred laws of supply and demand are not violated. If the people die
of starvation that is fine too. You can always get more people. If
there is not enough work for everyone to do then they think people
need to die off. Ebenezer Scrooge did everything right according to
the capitalists and followed the beliefs and values of capitalism.
The apologists for the Scrooges correctly point out that
people only start business for a profit. Of course that is true.
Anyone can see that communism is a big mistake. But wouldn't people
start the business for only millions in profits rather than billions?
What if there were laws that made sure working people got a reasonable
share of the profit? Would that be so terrible?
In a hypothetical case suppose technology progressed so far that
all
the work were done by machines. Huge farms gathering food and all
automated. You would think everything would be great, but under
capitalism the people would starve because there wouldn't be enough
jobs.
Capitalists oppose welfare and say that orphans and other needy
people should be helped by charity. How much charity would there be
when capitalists openly say that selfishness is a great virtue? If
there was no welfare then the charitable people would have to pay for
everything while most people would not pay one thin dime. We have
welfare so people all pay their fair share. It is part of having
civilization.
We have many laws that make things better for people.
There are laws that give people extra pay if they work over forty
hours. There are laws that ensure people will have retirement.
Capitalism is for doing away with the laws so businesses can be free
to be as greedy as possible.There are laws that keep people from
getting ripped off when they buy a house. Capitalism is against that.
Capitalism is bad for people.
http://www.ihr.org/ www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/
http://www.natvan.com http://www.nsm88.org
http://heretical.com/ http://immigration-globalization.blogspot.com/
miles
>And they consider it good to pay
> the humans as little as they possibly can to increase their profits.
Wrong. Pay is based on supply and demand as well. You can't simply cut
pay just because. If a company wishes to keep its good employees then
it has to compete with wages against their competitors. Setting
artificial wages rather than market based will do nothing unless I
suppose you also control prices a company can sell a product for.
miles
> Capitalists oppose welfare
lol, They prefer welfare that helps people get off the public dole
rather than oppress them by making them dependent on it. Welfare has
never reduced poverty.
> people should be helped by charity. How much charity would there be
> when capitalists openly say that selfishness is a great virtue?
Capitalists don't say that. Thats a liberal rhetoric talking point and
nothing more. Fact is Capitalists and Conservatives give more to
charity than anyone else. Charity dwarfs welfare funds.
> We have many laws that make things better for people.
> There are laws that give people extra pay if they work over forty
> hours. There are laws that ensure people will have retirement.
> Capitalism is for doing away with the laws so businesses can be free
> to be as greedy as possible.
Like any system there must be checks and balances. If the liberals had
their way they would destroy all capitalism period and give all power to
the Government to take care of all of our every need. Thats too much
power and control without balance.
Frito Pendejo
The problem with raising taxes on the 'rich' is that inflation
eventually makes everyone 'rich,' and thus subject to the taxes.
For example, Chairman Obama has announced he will only raise
taxes on those making over $250,000, 'rich' by today's
standards. At the same time the government is printing new
money to pay for all the new spending, devaluing the dollar in
the process and causing inflation.
Within a decade, $250k will be a very modest salary, with
perhaps 50% of Americans earning more than this compared with
the 5% today. Although the value of the salary has declined,
the tax remains the same. Since more people are subject to the
tax, government revenues increase, even after being adjusted for
inflation.
This is a useful accounting trick, since revenues and budgets
are forecast decades in advance for long-term programs like
Social Security and now Obamacare. The figures we are fed for
Obamacare seem to include a very small tax increase in the
short-term, but in the long-term the tax will increase
dramatically as nearly every American's income reaches the
threshold for taxation.
Topaz
>Topaz wrote:
>>And they consider it good to pay
>> the humans as little as they possibly can to increase their profits.
>
>Wrong. Pay is based on supply and demand as well.
Capitalism results in the few very rich and the many very poor. There
is a large supply of human workers. But do we have to compete to see
who will work for the fewest pennies? No, we can flush capitalism from
our system.
> You can't simply cut
>pay just because. If a company wishes to keep its good employees then
>it has to compete with wages against their competitors. Setting
>artificial wages rather than market based will do nothing unless I
>suppose you also control prices a company can sell a product for.
http://news.com.com/2100-1011_3-133261.html?tag=st_rn
More and more tech jobs head overseas
Last modified: December 24, 2003, 6:59 AM PST
By Reuters
U.S. corporations are picking up the pace in shifting well-paid
technology jobs to India, China and other low-cost centers, but they
are keeping quiet for fear of a backlash, industry professionals said.
Morgan Stanley estimates the number of U.S. jobs outsourced to India
will double to about 150,000 in the next three years. Analysts predict
as many as 2 million U.S. white-collar jobs such as those filled by
programmers, software engineers and applications designers will shift
to low- cost centers by 2014.
But the biggest companies looking to "offshoring" to cut costs, such
as Microsoft, IBM and AT&T Wireless, are reluctant to attract
attention for political reasons, observers said this week.
"The problem is that companies aren't sure if it's politically correct
to talk about it," said Jack Trout, a principal of Trout & Partners, a
marketing and strategy firm. "Nobody has come up with a way to spin it
in a positive way."
This causes a problem for publicly traded companies, which would
ordinarily brag about cost savings to investors. Instead, they send
vague signals that they are opening up operations in India and China,
but often decline to elaborate.
Moreover, on the threshold of a U.S. presidential election year, job
losses are a hot-button issue. A company that highlighted a major job
transfer could wind up in the campaign debate.
Multinationals find that when they trumpet expansion overseas, they
cause problems at home. When Accenture executives in India this month
announced plans to double their staff to 10,000 next year, they
triggered a flood of calls to the company's U.S. offices about U.S.
job losses.
Offshoring companies "are paying Chinese wages and selling at U.S.
prices," said Alan Tonelson, of the U.S. Business and Industrial
Council, a trade group for small business. "They're not creating
better living standards for America."...
Topaz
>
>> Capitalists oppose welfare
>
>lol, They prefer welfare that helps people get off the public dole
>rather than oppress them by making them dependent on it. Welfare has
>never reduced poverty.
Real Capitalists would call you a socialist for having any welfare at
all. And people on welfare should be made to work. Yes, we should get
them off the dole, but you are sidestepping and not defending real
capitalism.
>
>> people should be helped by charity. How much charity would there be
>> when capitalists openly say that selfishness is a great virtue?
>
>Capitalists don't say that. Thats a liberal rhetoric talking point and
>nothing more. Fact is Capitalists and Conservatives give more to
>charity than anyone else. Charity dwarfs welfare funds.
We should all pay our fair share. If they had no problem with paying
their fair share they wouldn't be griping about welfare. And people on
welfare should be made to work.
>
>> We have many laws that make things better for people.
>> There are laws that give people extra pay if they work over forty
>> hours. There are laws that ensure people will have retirement.
>> Capitalism is for doing away with the laws so businesses can be free
>> to be as greedy as possible.
>
>Like any system there must be checks and balances. If the liberals had
For one thing, you are the liberals.
This web site explains what is going on with the "left" and the
"right" in the modern economic sense.
http://www.michaeljournal.org/myth.htm
The meaning of "right" and "left" has changed. I stay with the
original meaning for the same reason I refuse to call homosexual
perverts "gay". The word "gay" was originally a good thing.
The right is for outlawing homosexual perversion,
prostitution, abortions, heroin, and other bad things. It puts the
good of the nation first and ahead of the freedom of individuals to
corrupt the culture of the nation.
Leftists believe in the Rede of Witchcraft which states-- If it
harm none, do what will you will. This sounds nice, but like the apple
that the witch gave to Snow White it has poison within. The Rede of
Witchcraft is the Bible of liberalism. It would legalize homosexual
perversion, prostitution, drugs, etc.
The right is for building a great nation. Leftists care only
about individual freedom and are opposed to any laws that would make
the nation better. There are beaches where normal families will not go
because homosexual perverts practice their perversion on the beach.
When the liberals say they are for freedom this is kind of thing they
are talking about. Of course people should be free to do what they
want most of the time. There is no argument there. Liberals are
talking about being free to do things that many people object to and
want outlawed. Their philosophy, taken to its logical conclusion,
would not allow the law that says drivers have to stop at the red
lights. Their philosophy would allow heroin to be sold on grocery
store shelves and allow ads promoting heroin on TV. Their philosophy
would result in chaos and degeneracy.
Libertarians are liberals who want freedom for the Ebenezer
Scrooges to be as greedy as they want. They have the same philosophy
as other leftist who want to legalize heroin and prostitution, namely
that the state can't tell them what they can't do. People don't like
laws stopping them from doing things, and we should sympathize with
that, but sometimes that is not the most important thing. Capitalists
want freedom for greed, other liberals want freedom for degeneracy,
but good laws would make a nation good.
The Communists were leftist and they said they were fighting for
freedom. In Spain they sided with the anarchists. The Communists and
the anarchists were the same people or the same type of people. The
Communists were for having government but only temporarily. They said
that their government was necessary only until the whole world was
Communist. After the world was Communist they wanted to dissolve the
government and have an anarchy.
The right wing cares about the future. Leftists only care about the
present. If their philosophy results in a nightmare future like in
Soylent Green or some other futuristic nightmare they are not
interested and insist that nothing could be more important than the
freedom of individuals to be as decadent as they want. To see the kind
of society
libertarians are fighting for see the movie "8MM", they aren't for the
snuff part, but
other than that it shows liberalism in action.
>their way they would destroy all capitalism period and give all power to
>the Government to take care of all of our every need. Thats too much
>power and control without balance.
Here are some quotes from "The Eleventh Hour" by John Tyndall
"For a short time, Britons from all regions of the country and its
Empire, and from every social background, came together in a single
cause, casting aside all previous political party and class divisions
and joined hands in a common comradeship of the trenches.
And for the first time in centuries politicians in this country put
aside party warfare and joined forces in working for a single goal. A
coalition government was formed in 1916 and proceeded to coordinate
the whole national life in one mighty endeavor. Laissez-faire
Economics were dropped as Britain found that these methods, practiced
so long in the years of peace had rendered her industry hopelessly
incapable of producing her needs of survival in this titanic conflict.
New industries, such as chemicals, machine tools and optics, had to be
built practically from scratch, while others, such as electricity,
aircraft and aero-engines, had to be greatly expanded, in order to
provide the sinews of war; and this was done mainly on the initiative
of the state. By the end of the war, tremendous strides had been made
in making good these previous shortcomings of industry. What the
theoretical stimulus of the "free market" had failed to do for decades
beforehand was done in just three years of corporate effort, achieved
by firm national leadership directing economic resources, and by the
whole nation, and Empire, working as a team."
"Could not the super-human efforts displayed on the battlefield in the
face of a dangerous adversity now be displayed again in the creation,
from out of the rubble of newly born nations?"
"Sir Oswald Mosley... had crossed to the Labour benches after
despairing of the Tories' ability or will to overcome the evils of
poverty and unemployment in post 1918 Britain...
In time, however, Mosley came to recognize that in the ranks of
Labour, however ideal the ends, there was a total incomprehension of,
combined an unwillingness to accept, the necessary means... he said:
"This nation has to be mobilized and rallied for a tremendous effort,
and who can do that except the government of the day?"
In the simplest terms, nationalism is no more than team spirit. Just
as the school, the firm the regiment and the rugby XV need, each in
its own way to be infused with a pride of identity and a desire to
win, so must nations, if they are to be effective forces for the
furtherance of their own interests and for their survival in the
world, be galvanized by the same vital forces."
Day Brown
> Day Brown wrote:
>> But the house, that is the govt and economic system, is what rewards
>> the rich; and just like any casino, what the house chooses to take
>> from the winnings is variable. If what you want to see it greater
>> egalitarianism, then increase the cut for the house in the form of
>> higher taxes on the rich. You mite point out, as I often have, it only
>> makes sense to raise taxes on the people who actually have the money.
>>
>> Which is the rich.
>
> The problem with raising taxes on the 'rich' is that inflation
> eventually makes everyone 'rich,' and thus subject to the taxes.
the rate of inflation as they already do Social Security benefits.
Whatever the value of money is, its the top 1% of the income levels who
will have the most CASH to pay with the least effect on consumer
spending, which I am told is what runs the economy.
Now, if the top 1% kept more of their income and invested it- in US
enterprises rather than East Asian, then employment would rise, rather
than, as we see, investment money flowing out of the economy to Asia,
where it creates jobs that compete with American workers. Surely you are
smart enuf to figure this out. I dunno why you need me to tell you.
Now, I'm all for cutting Social Security benefits to what the taxpayers,
be they rich or not, can afford. But I dont see any way to get that thru
congress. And if this leads to a total crash of the economy, very well
then, we'll adjust entitlements the old fashioned way- using revolution
to eliminate them.
Poetic Justice
>>> Capitalists oppose welfare
Yet they support charity... Which has done more for humanity?
Topaz
Capitalism results in the few very rich and the many very poor.
It's true that Capitalism is "fair". Consider the guy who invented
the car and all the millions of people who benefit from that who don't
know the first thing mechanics. In America something like 2% of the
people have 95% of the wealth or whatever. I forget the actual
figures. Some of this was dishonest, but much of it was from producing
things, like microsoft software.
People who start businesses and create things are in fact superior
In all fairness there should be the few very rich and the many very
poor and that is what capitalism produces. But here is the point -
what good does it do them to have billions of dollars? What more can
they own or do, than if they merely had millions of dollars? Compare
that to the difference between having enough to afford shelter and
being out in the street. The guy who invented the car did a lot to
make things better for people. Replacing capitalism would also make
things better for people.
Capitalists don't agree that they are greedy. They say a person can
take their job for $5 an hour or they will find someone else to take
the job. It doesn't matter if they are making billions of dollars.
It's all perfectly fair in their minds. And they are totally against
"big government" doing anything to stop them. We can put an end to
their pathetic ideas without having any nonsense ideas like Communism.
Obviously we should have private property. And viewing business
leaders as enemies is also ridiculous. But capitalism is a horrible
idea and should go as extinct as the dinosaurs. In the future we have
should advanced economics designed to make things good for people.
cop welfare
who says that they're superior/
them?
successful sociopaths are simply criminals that work within the law.
they have more stuff?
that makes them superior?
all it takes is one self-aware darwinist with a gun to put one
capitalist out of bizness.
then what?
f. barnes
You are an idiot. Some is good does not imply that more is better.
That "pledge", the idea of that "pledge", is just silly. What are
you, fourteen?
Dionysus
"f. barnes" <fre...@centurytel.net> wrote in message
news:a77c6d03-d0ff-4dac...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 19 2009, 9:36 am, Freestyle <brist...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 19, 10:06 am, "Dionysus" <no.surren...@never.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > INTRODUCTION: Some Americans feel (not think) socialism is good; they
> > feel
> > (not think) it is compassionate and moral. In these ten days of
> > Christmas we
> > will examine why socialism-and its compadres marxism and liberalism-are
> > both
> > immoral and inhuman. Conversely, conservatism not only objectively
> > produces
> > better for society, but is the moral alternative to the evil that is
> > socialism.
>
> > During this season of joy and wonder, ponder another glistening ornament
> > on
> > the Christmas tree of political philosophy:
>
> > 6. Every time the government redistributes wealth the economy suffers as
> > for productive activity of both the classes from whom the money is taken
> > and
> > to whom the money is given. If a father continually takes money from a
> > successful son and gives it to a slothful son, eventually both sons will
> > become less productive and tainted. The welfare mess is a classic
> > example of
> > failed government intervention. We have 50 years experience that proves
> > that
> > into perpetual poverty. An interesting current comparison is Texas vs.
> > California. Texas has a conservative philosophy of government while
> > California has taken the liberal utopian route. Texas, as of October
> > 2009,
> > including for the working class? Watch this fascinating short clip of
> > Milton
> > Friedman on the Phil Donahue
> > show:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A.
> > *********************
> > Merry Christmas.
>
> > No Surrender!
>
> > Dionysus
>
> Do you have the balls to take and strictly adhere to the anti-
> Socialism pledge?
> Put your money where your pie hole is.
>
> I, ________________________________, do solemnly swear to uphold the
> principles of a socialism-free society and heretofore pledge my word
> that I shall strictly adhere to the following:
>
> I pledge to eliminate all government intervention in my life.
>
> I will abstain from the use of and participation in any socialist
> goods and services including but not limited to the following:
> * Social Security
> * Medicare/Medicaid
> * Police, Fire, and Emergency Services
> * US Postal Service
> * Roads and Highway
> * Air Travel (regulated by the socialist FAA)
> * The US Railway System
> * Public Subways and Metro Systems
> * Public Bus and Lightrail Systems
> * Rest Areas on Highways
> * Sidewalks
> * All Government-Funded Local/State Projects (e.g., see Iowa
> upload/Master-Approps-73109.pdf)
> * Public Water and Sewer Services (goodbye socialist toilet, shower,
> dishwasher, kitchen sink, outdoor hose!)
> * Public and State Universities and Colleges
> * Public Primary and Secondary Schools
> * Sesame Street
> * Publicly Funded Anti-Drug Use Education for Children
> * Public Museums
> * Libraries
> * Public Parksand Beaches
> * State and National Parks
> * Public Zoos
> * Unemployment Insurance
> * Municipal Garbage and Recycling Services
> * Treatment at Any Hospital or Clinic That Ever Received Funding From
> Local, Stateor Federal Government (pretty much all of them)
> * Medical Services and Medications That Were Created or Derived From
> Any Government Grant or Research Funding (again, pretty much all of
> them)
> * Socialist Byproducts of Government Investment Such as Duct Tape and
> Velcro (Nazi-NASA Inventions)
**********
I'm guessing nine, with the help of an adult molester.
No surrender!
Dionysus
Beam Me Up Scotty
> In article <E9-dnTQMgtqIJKLW...@giganews.com>,
> "Dionysus" <no.sur...@never.net> wrote:
>
>> "f. barnes" <fre...@centurytel.net> wrote in message
>> news:a77c6d03-d0ff-4dac...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>> On Dec 19 2009, 9:36 am, Freestyle <brist...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Dec 19, 10:06 am, "Dionysus" <no.surren...@never.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> INTRODUCTION: Some Americans feel (not think) socialism is good; they
>>>> feel
>>>> (not think) it is compassionate and moral. In these ten days of
>>>> Christmas we
>>>> will examine why socialism-and its compadres marxism and liberalism-are
>>>> both
>>>> immoral and inhuman. Conversely, conservatism not only objectively
>>>> produces
>>>> better for society, but is the moral alternative to the evil that is
>>>> socialism.
>>>
>>>> During this season of joy and wonder, ponder another glistening ornament
>>>> on
>>>> the Christmas tree of political philosophy:
>>>
>>>> 6. Every time the government redistributes wealth the economy suffers as
>>>> for productive activity of both the classes from whom the money is taken
>>>> and
>>>> to whom the money is given. If a father continually takes money from a
>>>> successful son and gives it to a slothful son, eventually both sons will
>>>> become less productive and tainted. The welfare mess is a classic
>>>> example of
>>>> failed government intervention. We have 50 years experience that proves
>>>> that
>>>> into perpetual poverty. An interesting current comparison is Texas vs.
>>>> California. Texas has a conservative philosophy of government while
>>>> California has taken the liberal utopian route. Texas, as of October
>>>> 2009,
>>>> including for the working class? Watch this fascinating short clip of
>>>> Milton
>>>> Friedman on the Phil Donahue
>>>> show:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A.
>>>> *********************
>>>> Merry Christmas.
>>>
>>>> No Surrender!
>>>
>>>> Dionysus
>>>
>>> Do you have the balls to take and strictly adhere to the anti-
>>> Socialism pledge?
>>> Put your money where your pie hole is.
>>>
>>> I, ________________________________, do solemnly swear to uphold the
>>> principles of a socialism-free society and heretofore pledge my word
>>> that I shall strictly adhere to the following:
>>>
>>> I pledge to eliminate all government intervention in my life.
>>>
>>> I will abstain from the use of and participation in any socialist
>>> goods and services including but not limited to the following:
>>> * Social Security
>>> * Medicare/Medicaid
>>> * Police, Fire, and Emergency Services
>>> * US Postal Service
>>> * Roads and Highway
>>> * Air Travel (regulated by the socialist FAA)
>>> * The US Railway System
>>> * Public Subways and Metro Systems
>>> * Public Bus and Lightrail Systems
>>> * Rest Areas on Highways
>>> * Sidewalks
>>> * All Government-Funded Local/State Projects (e.g., see Iowa
>>> upload/Master-Approps-73109.pdf)
>>> * Public Water and Sewer Services (goodbye socialist toilet, shower,
>>> dishwasher, kitchen sink, outdoor hose!)
>>> * Public and State Universities and Colleges
>>> * Public Primary and Secondary Schools
>>> * Sesame Street
>>> * Publicly Funded Anti-Drug Use Education for Children
>>> * Public Museums
>>> * Libraries
>>> * Public Parksand Beaches
>>> * State and National Parks
>>> * Public Zoos
>>> * Unemployment Insurance
>>> * Municipal Garbage and Recycling Services
>>> * Treatment at Any Hospital or Clinic That Ever Received Funding From
>>> Local, Stateor Federal Government (pretty much all of them)
>>> * Medical Services and Medications That Were Created or Derived From
>>> Any Government Grant or Research Funding (again, pretty much all of
>>> them)
>>> * Socialist Byproducts of Government Investment Such as Duct Tape and
>>> Velcro (Nazi-NASA Inventions)
The problem is that these socialist plans have been deducting money from
our paychecks.
Do we right off that money as stolen by the Socialists in government?
Topaz
<cop.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>who says that they're superior/
>them?
They are superior in some ways. Those who start a business should make
more than those who punch a clock.
>successful sociopaths are simply criminals that work within the law.
It's the law itself that is sociopathic. Many businesses lay off
Americans to get cheaper workers in China, because everyone else is
doing it, and they want to compete. It's the law that needs to be
changed.
>they have more stuff?
>that makes them superior?
They start business and other things. Consider all the people who
enjoy the ride at an amusement park. But how many could make one? Just
going by capitalist notions of what they call "fair" there would be
the few very rich and the many very poor. But the nature of money is
that if you have ten million, then another ten million doesn't improve
your lifestyle. But if you are struggling to survive a few hundreds
makes a big difference. That's why we need socialism.
>all it takes is one self-aware darwinist with a gun to put one
>capitalist out of bizness.
>then what?
The Communist way is the wrong way. All we need is laws to stop greed.