Why Jews Hate Palin
Cliff
"Why Jews Hate Palin"
[
.....
For her detractors, both conservative and liberal, she is uncouth, unschooled, a
hick, anti-science and anti-intellectual, an upstart, and a religious fanatic.
There is no group so firmly in the latter camp as American Jews. .......
Ask an average American Jew about Palin and you are likely to get a nonverbal
response�a shiver, a shudder, a roll of the eyes, or a guffaw. Naomi Wolf, the
feminist writer, sputtered that Palin was the �FrankenBarbie of the Rove-Cheney
cabal,� articulating the mixture of contempt and fear that seemed to grip many
Jewish women. The disdain is palpable and largely emotional. While 78 percent of
American Jews voted for the Obama-Biden ticket, it is fair to say that most did
not harbor animosity toward or contempt for Senator John McCain; the same cannot
be said of their view of Palin. Prominent Jews like Reagan-era arms-control
official Kenneth Adelman, who expressed great admiration for McCain, proclaimed
that the selection of Palin was beyond reason: �Not only is Sarah Palin not
close to being acceptable in high office, I would not have hired her for even a
mid-level post in the arms-control agency.�
]
Lookout
You have to wonder how she would do in Florida if she were at top of
the ticket.
Curly Surmudgeon
Sarah Palin will do well in any community of poor, ignorant & religious
hillbillies. Luckily they are relegated to isolation simply because
rational people want nothing to do with them. They are a distinct
minority, don't waste energy worrying about Sarah Palin or her band of
mouth-breathers.
America may have been mortally wounded by the Bush Administration but the
bitch-slap woke up many people to the dangers of ignorance. Sarah Palin
doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of gaining national office.
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HH&C
wrote:
> http://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/why-jews-hate-palin...
> "Why Jews Hate Palin"
> [
> .....
> For her detractors, both conservative and liberal, she is uncouth, unschooled, a
> hick, anti-science and anti-intellectual, an upstart, and a religious fanatic.
Did the Jews hate Lincoln, too?
Cliff
wrote:
Lincoln was a liberal.
http://www.harpers.org/subjects/LincolnTheLiberalStatesmanBook
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Cliff
Not Sure
The way she turns the hysterical dipshits on the left into preening
crybabies is absolutely delicious. Try not to let that destroy you :)
Luckily they are relegated to isolation simply because
> rational people want nothing to do with them. They are a distinct
> minority, don't waste energy worrying about Sarah Palin or her band of
> mouth-breathers.
>
> America may have been mortally wounded by the Bush Administration but the
> bitch-slap woke up many people to the dangers of ignorance. Sarah Palin
> doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of gaining national office.
>
> --
> Regards, Curly
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Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
I'll try. In fact I encourage you to run Sarah Palin for any nationwide
office. I'll even change parties to vote for her in your primary to help
and assist the Republican party in their race to mass suicide.
Keep up the good work!
> Luckily they are relegated to isolation simply because
>> rational people want nothing to do with them. They are a distinct
>> minority, don't waste energy worrying about Sarah Palin or her band of
>> mouth-breathers.
>>
>> America may have been mortally wounded by the Bush Administration but
>> the bitch-slap woke up many people to the dangers of ignorance. Sarah
>> Palin doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of gaining national
>> office.
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HH&C
> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 11:54:49 -0800, Not Sure <fred1321...@gmail.com>
Won't Argentina let you vote there?
HH&C
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> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:12:18 -0800 (PST), "HH&C" <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com>
Didn't answer the question, did you? Did you read the question?
How much were you paid to post that?
ArmyOfDorkness
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Are you comparing Palin to Lincoln? Really?
RD (The Sandman)
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> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:12:18 -0800 (PST), "HH&C"
> <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jan 1, 6:38�am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>>wrote:
>>> �http://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/why-jews-hate-pali
>>> n... � "Why Jews Hate Palin"
>>> [
>>> .....
>>> For her detractors, both conservative and liberal, she is uncouth,
>>> unschooled, a hick, anti-science and anti-intellectual, an upstart,
>>> and a religious fanatic.
>>
>>Did the Jews hate Lincoln, too?
>
> Lincoln was a liberal.
> http://www.harpers.org/subjects/LincolnTheLiberalStatesmanBook
He may have been, however, he was also a Republican.
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Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Let's see if I have this healthcare thingy right. Congress is to pass
a plan written by a committee whose head has said he doesn't understand
it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who
hasn't read it, with funding administered by a Treasury chief who didn't
pay his taxes because he didn't understand TurboTax, overseen by an obese
Surgeon General and financed by a country that's nearly broke.
What could possibly go wrong?
Bert Hyman
<Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
> Lincoln was a liberal.
Yeah; he suspended habeas corpus in 1862.
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Ed Huntress
"RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
> news:3oisj51bgppo826vi...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:12:18 -0800 (PST), "HH&C"
>> <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Jan 1, 6:38 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>>>wrote:
>>>> http://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/why-jews-hate-pali
>>>> n... "Why Jews Hate Palin"
>>>> [
>>>> .....
>>>> For her detractors, both conservative and liberal, she is uncouth,
>>>> unschooled, a hick, anti-science and anti-intellectual, an upstart,
>>>> and a religious fanatic.
>>>
>>>Did the Jews hate Lincoln, too?
>>
>> Lincoln was a liberal.
>> http://www.harpers.org/subjects/LincolnTheLiberalStatesmanBook
>
> He may have been, however, he was also a Republican.
But ask Gunner. He says Lincoln was a RINO. <g>
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HH&C
> "HH&C" <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Both were Republicans and both were considered country bumpkins prior
to their presidencies.
Lookout
Opinion, not fact.
Lookout
AHAHAHAHAHHA
And a socialist
And a fascist
And a marxist
and he probably said he was gay along the way too
Beam Me Up Scotty
> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:54:49 -0800 (PST), Not Sure
> <fred1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Sarah Palin will do well in any community of poor, ignorant & religious
>>> hillbillies.
And Liberals and Socialists do well in a prison atmosphere where
everything is done for them and every detail of your life is micromanaged.
*Prison is a Liberal Nirvana and Socialists UTOPIA*--
Gunner Asch
>On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:54:49 -0800 (PST), Not Sure
><fred1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Sarah Palin will do well in any community of poor, ignorant & religious
>>> hillbillies.
>>
>>The way she turns the hysterical dipshits on the left into preening
>>crybabies is absolutely delicious. Try not to let that destroy you :)
>
>The way you batless wonders have no sense of history of how rightwing
>propagandists led your "good germans" into wars
Which wars are you refering to?
WW1?
Woodrow Wilson....Democrat
WW2? That was FDR, Democrat.
Korea?
Truman...Democrat
Vietnam?
Kennedy/Johnson..Democrats
So which ones are you refering to? Or are you simply the usual brainless
Leftwing Useful Idiot pecking out shit on Usenet?
Gunner
Gunner Asch
<Then-Destro...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
>On 1/1/2010 5:57 PM, smo...@board.net wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:54:49 -0800 (PST), Not Sure
>> <fred1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Sarah Palin will do well in any community of poor, ignorant & religious
>>>> hillbillies.
>
>
>And Liberals and Socialists do well in a prison atmosphere where
>everything is done for them and every detail of your life is micromanaged.
And they love being used as sex toys.
tankfixer
Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>
> http://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/why-jews-hate-palin-15323
> "Why Jews Hate Palin"
> [
> .....
> For her detractors, both conservative and liberal, she is uncouth, unschooled, a
> hick, anti-science and anti-intellectual, an upstart, and a religious fanatic.
> There is no group so firmly in the latter camp as American Jews. .......
> Ask an average American Jew about Palin and you are likely to get a nonverbal
> feminist writer, sputtered that Palin was the ?FrankenBarbie of the Rove-Cheney
> cabal,? articulating the mixture of contempt and fear that seemed to grip many
> Jewish women. The disdain is palpable and largely emotional. While 78 percent of
> American Jews voted for the Obama-Biden ticket, it is fair to say that most did
> not harbor animosity toward or contempt for Senator John McCain; the same cannot
> be said of their view of Palin. Prominent Jews like Reagan-era arms-control
> official Kenneth Adelman, who expressed great admiration for McCain, proclaimed
> close to being acceptable in high office, I would not have hired her for even a
> ]
Smell the fear...
Ed Huntress
"Lookout" <mrLo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Somebody here said not long ago that he was also a racist. They're hammering
poor old Abe from all sides.
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Gunner Asch
wrote:
Indeed...smells like a hunted animal cowering under the front
porch....probably a skunk.....
Beam Me Up Scotty
> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:54:49 -0800 (PST), Not Sure
> <fred1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> hillbillies.
And Liberals and Socialists do well in a prison atmosphere where
everything is done for them and every detail of your life is micromanaged.
*Prison is a Liberal Nirvana and Socialists UTOPIA*
In prison you get free Government health care.
In prison they see to it that everyone eats healthy.
In prison Government gives you education.
In Prison Government solves all your clothing and heating needs.
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robert bowman
> Did the Jews hate Lincoln, too?
http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/r/rosen-confederates.html
Some probably did. And some liked Palin:
http://www.jewishjournal.com/articles/item/analysis_sarah_palin_and_the_jews_20080829/
robert bowman
> So which ones are you refering to? Or are you simply the usual brainless
> Leftwing Useful Idiot pecking out shit on Usenet?
The best wars have Democratic cheerleaders like Hearst providing the excuse
and Republicans like McKinley leading the charge.
It's worth noting that the ONLY Republican with enough balls to vote against
both Wilson's and Roosevelt's wars was Jeannette Rankin of Montana. She was
joined by 49 others in opposition to 'He Kept Us out of War' and stood
alone against Roosevelt's carefully crafted war.
Lookout
wrote:
>In article <tfnrj5ponidu44mvi...@4ax.com>,
AHAHHAHA Even the republicans don't want her. Who are you kidding?
Buckleboy is beating her in every poll.
ArmyOfDorkness
"Lookout" <mrLo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Maybe she'll run on the Teabagger ticket. This is gonna be fun.
Cliff
>> Sarah Palin will do well in any community of poor, ignorant & religious
>> hillbillies.
>
>The way she turns the hysterical dipshits on the left into preening
>crybabies is absolutely delicious. Try not to let that destroy you :)
She's usually so ignorant it's funny.
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Cliff
Cliff
<Then-Destro...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
Then why are most in the prisons as inmates wingers?
The rethugs lose a lot of members that way.
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Cliff
Cliff
wrote:
>On Jan 1, 3:17�pm, "ArmyOfDorkness" <DorkAsKni...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Demonstrating your massive ignorance yet again I see.
During Lincoln's time thr Republicans WERE the liberals.
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Cliff
Cliff
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
>news:3oisj51bgppo826vi...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:12:18 -0800 (PST), "HH&C"
>> <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Jan 1, 6:38�am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>>>wrote:
>>>> �http://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/why-jews-hate-pali
>>>> n... � "Why Jews Hate Palin"
>>>> [
>>>> .....
>>>> For her detractors, both conservative and liberal, she is uncouth,
>>>> unschooled, a hick, anti-science and anti-intellectual, an upstart,
>>>> and a religious fanatic.
>>>
>>>Did the Jews hate Lincoln, too?
>>
>> Lincoln was a liberal.
>> http://www.harpers.org/subjects/LincolnTheLiberalStatesmanBook
>
>He may have been, however, he was also a Republican.
During Lincoln's time thr Republicans WERE the liberals.
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Cliff
Cliff
The conservaitves wanted to keep/allow slavery too.
Get some history lessons.
Even if educaion is a liberal thing.
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Cliff
RD (The Sandman)
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Oh well, too many people forget the beginnings of the Republican
Party.....and I am not a member.
RD (The Sandman)
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That is what is known as party drift. Both major parties are guilty of
it.
Ed Huntress
> "Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in news:4b3e66df$0$22548
> $607e...@cv.net:
>
>>
>> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9CF38DC38...@216.196.97.130...
>>> Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
>>> news:3oisj51bgppo826vi...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:12:18 -0800 (PST), "HH&C"
>>>> <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Jan 1, 6:38 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/why-jews-hate-
> pali
>>>>>> n... "Why Jews Hate Palin"
>>>>>> [
>>>>>> .....
>>>>>> For her detractors, both conservative and liberal, she is uncouth,
>>>>>> unschooled, a hick, anti-science and anti-intellectual, an upstart,
>>>>>> and a religious fanatic.
>>>>>
>>>>>Did the Jews hate Lincoln, too?
>>>>
>>>> Lincoln was a liberal.
>>>> http://www.harpers.org/subjects/LincolnTheLiberalStatesmanBook
>>>
>>> He may have been, however, he was also a Republican.
>>
>> But ask Gunner. He says Lincoln was a RINO. <g>
>>
>
> Oh well, too many people forget the beginnings of the Republican
> Party.....and I am not a member.
And some do, but pretend they don't, because it doesn't fit their catechism.
It's especially mind-boggling when they point out that it was Republicans
who pushed the Civil Rights Act into existence...and then forget that it was
liberal Republicans who did it, and southern conservative Democrats who
fought it -- and that almost all of those conservative Democrats are now
Republicans. I wonder what they'd do with Ev Dirksen if he were around
today? They'd probably lynch him. d8-)
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Ed Huntress
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> Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
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>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:56:14 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
>> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
>>>news:3oisj51bgppo826vi...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:12:18 -0800 (PST), "HH&C"
>>>> <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Jan 1, 6:38 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/why-jews-hate-
> pali
>>>>>> n... "Why Jews Hate Palin"
>>>>>> [
>>>>>> .....
>>>>>> For her detractors, both conservative and liberal, she is uncouth,
>>>>>> unschooled, a hick, anti-science and anti-intellectual, an upstart,
>>>>>> and a religious fanatic.
>>>>>
>>>>>Did the Jews hate Lincoln, too?
>>>>
>>>> Lincoln was a liberal.
>>>> http://www.harpers.org/subjects/LincolnTheLiberalStatesmanBook
>>>
>>>He may have been, however, he was also a Republican.
>>
>> During Lincoln's time thr Republicans WERE the liberals.
>
> That is what is known as party drift. Both major parties are guilty of
> it.
In this case there was no "drift." It was a series of events that occurred
over less than ten years and caused a sharp re-alignment, from 1964 to
around 1973.
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Ed Huntress
RD (The Sandman)
That was a schism between Reaganesque and Goldwater Republicans.
Ed Huntress
No! Reagan and "Reaganesque" had nothing to do with it. It started when
Goldwater resisted the Civil Rights Act in the name of "states' rights."
That turned some southern Democrats to the Republican Party. Then Nixon
refined it as a strategy, using "states' rights" as a code word for
resisting racial integration.
Here's Kevin Phillips, Nixon's political strategist, on the "Southern
Strategy" that turned southern whites to the Republicans:
"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20
percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but
Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting
Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the
sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans.
That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the
whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local
Democrats." -- Kevin Phillips, from a 1970 New York Times interview.
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Ed Huntress
Jeff M
Look up the Republicans' successful but despicable "Southern Strategy,"
for which even some of the more honorable R's later apologized.
Beam Me Up Scotty
Not nearly as many Conservatives in Prison as there are Liberals.
Enjoy your success.
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Gunner Asch
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Lincoln was a liberal.
>>>> http://www.harpers.org/subjects/LincolnTheLiberalStatesmanBook
>>>
>>> He may have been, however, he was also a Republican.
>>
>> But ask Gunner. He says Lincoln was a RINO. <g>
>>
>
>Oh well, too many people forget the beginnings of the Republican
>Party.....and I am not a member.
Lincoln and most of what we call today...Conservatives were indeed
"liberals"
In the 1920s..the meanings of Conservative and Liberal were reversed.
http://www.arationaladvocate.com/areyouliberalorconservative.html
>>istorts their ability to clearly understand the meaning of the rhetoric to which they are exposed.
Looking to the past, it is no wonder that confusion exists regarding the
understanding of what the terms liberal and conservative really mean. It
is only in the last century that the term liberal has become associated
with socialism. This collectivist ideology involves the redistribution
of income and wealth with an accordingly greater control by the central
government over the interactions of economic enterprise. Prior to this
evolutionary change, being liberal had the reverse meaning of being in
strong support of individual freedom with an attendant limited role of
government in one�s life.
The term liberalism was coined in Europe somewhere in the late 17th or
early 18th century to represent a political philosophy that emphasized
limited government with individual freedom and civil liberties. It
promoted representative government and property rights along with
freedom of religion. In economic matters it favored non-interference
from government since the forces of the marketplace would provide the
best results for the nation�s people. Thus, at its prime liberalism
represented limited government with a separation of powers among the
legislative, executive, and judicial branches and economic free
enterprise. Sounds like present day conservatism doesn�t it?
The term conservatism was coined to represent beliefs that arose to
counter liberalism. Essentially, it supported the existing distribution
of power, wealth and attendant social status. These beliefs included
emphasizing faith and tradition ahead of freedom of thought and speech,
as well as, supporting the total interest of society over those of its
individual members. Sounds to a degree like present day liberalism
doesn�t it?.....
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766
Gunner Asch
Look up the Democrats founding and operating the KKK for 140 yrs. For
which they have never apologized.
Gunner
RD (The Sandman)
Part of that was msunderstanding of Goldwater's position. He was not a
racist. He simply did believe in states rights and that certain things
should not be dictated by the federal government. At least he did not
practice racism in his stores or his charitable contributions. I remember
how suprising that was to me (a solid Democrat at the time) when I found
that out.
> Here's Kevin Phillips, Nixon's political strategist, on the "Southern
> Strategy" that turned southern whites to the Republicans:
>
> "From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to
> 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that...
> but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of
> the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in
> the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats
> and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that
> prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old
> comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats." -- Kevin Phillips,
> from a 1970 New York Times interview.
>
--
Ed Huntress
It's true that Goldwater was no racist. But he was a principled libertarian,
which can lead to a variety of logical conundrums. For example, to favor
equal rights and at the same time to favor "freedom of (business)
association" means that you allow banks to refuse to serve black people.
Restaurants, home sellers, and hotels, too.
So he provided the key leverage point for maintaining segregation by his
embrace of states' rights. The Republicans soon realized they had a tool to
drive the southern conservatives into the Republican Party.
Lee Atwater, RNC Chairman, explained it in a roundabout way in a 1981
interview:
"You start out in 1954 by saying, 'Nigger, nigger, nigger,' said Atwater.
"By 1968, you can't say 'nigger' -- that hurts you. Backfires. So you say
stuff like forced busing, states' rights, and all that stuff. You're getting
so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these
things you're talking about are totally economic things, and a byproduct of
them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites."
Many people here are probably too young to remember how that all went down.
"States' rights," as an issue, seemed to come out of nowhere, in the wake of
Goldwater's campaign. It had become code for favoring racial segregation.
So Goldwater didn't do it intentionally, but he provided the raw material
for the Republicans to corner the southern conservatives with the racism
issue. I said that Reagan didn't have anything to do with it but that isn't
quite right. He came late to the party. He was no racist himself, but he
played the "states' rights" issue for all it was worth in his 1980 campaign.
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Curly Surmudgeon
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
Barry Goldwater was one of the most misunderstood politicians of the
60's. The Democrats demonized him falsely just as Karl Rove refined the
slime attack four decades later.
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robert bowman
> "You start out in 1954 by saying, 'Nigger, nigger, nigger,' said Atwater.
>
> "By 1968, you can't say 'nigger' -- that hurts you. Backfires. So you say
> stuff like forced busing, states' rights, and all that stuff. You're
> getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all
> these things you're talking about are totally economic things, and a
> byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites."
After he lost his first election, George Wallace reportedly said "I won't be
out-niggered again." He'd run a moderate campaign based on real issues and
not segregation and it cost him. He went on to become notorious for his
racism -- then he switched up again. His last term as governor saw a record
number of black people appointed to the state government. Makes you wonder
who the real Wallace was.
> Many people here are probably too young to remember how that all went
> down. "States' rights," as an issue, seemed to come out of nowhere, in the
> wake of Goldwater's campaign. It had become code for favoring racial
> segregation.
'Law and Order' was the other term. When the riots started in 1964, a lot of
whites felt a sudden need for lawn order. I also recall that despite
Welch's statements, at 60's John Birch Society meetings 'international
bankers' came with a nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
Dan
"States rights" as a cover for racism is a reprehensible as direct
racism. The States have no right to be racist.
Dan
Curly Surmudgeon
Are you asserting Barry Goldwater used states rights as a cover for
racism? If not then that statement is out of context. If so then please
show how Barry Goldwater was a racist.
Lookout
Nah. They won't be able to front a viable candidate because they are a
rag tag group with no central leadership.
Lookout
Come on..you're expecting them to be informed and educated.
Cliff
wrote:
Such as the Civil Rights Act.
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Cliff
Cliff
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>Part of that was msunderstanding of Goldwater's position.
http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/media/daisyspot/
What "misunderstanding"?
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Cliff
Cliff
<CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>Barry Goldwater was one of the most misunderstood politicians of the
>60's.
Cliff
>"States rights" as a cover for racism is a reprehensible as direct
>racism. The States have no right to be racist.
Wingers lie. It was a code.
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Cliff
Cliff
>"States rights" as a cover for racism is a reprehensible as direct
>racism. The States have no right to be racist.
Wingers lie. It was a code.
BTW, It was not even original.
Stephen A. Douglas had used the very same stuff running against Lincoln
IIRC.
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Cliff
>Look up the Democrats founding and operating the KKK for 140 yrs.
D. C. Stephenson
Famed Republican.
Grand Dragon of Indiana and 22 other northern states
"Stephenson was responsible for the abduction, forced intoxication, and rape
of Madge Oberholtzer (who ran a state program to combat illiteracy), all leading
to her suicide attempt and eventual death. Among other atrocities, Stephenson
had bitten her so many times that one man who saw her described her condition as
having been �chewed by a cannibal.�"
Convicted of murder
violated parole
"Stephenson was infamous for having claimed "I am the law in Indiana.""
"Stephenson is credited with the quote, �Everything is fine in politics as
long as you don't get caught in bed with a live man, or a dead woman.�"
Wingers have such as heroes.
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Cliff
<Then-Destro...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
>On 1/2/2010 9:30 AM, Cliff wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:13:41 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty
>> <Then-Destro...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/1/2010 5:57 PM, smo...@board.net wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:54:49 -0800 (PST), Not Sure
>>>> <fred1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Sarah Palin will do well in any community of poor, ignorant & religious
>>>>>> hillbillies.
>>>
>>>
>>> And Liberals and Socialists do well in a prison atmosphere where
>>> everything is done for them and every detail of your life is micromanaged.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Prison is a Liberal Nirvana and Socialists UTOPIA*--
>>
>> Then why are most in the prisons as inmates wingers?
>> The rethugs lose a lot of members that way.
>
>Not nearly as many Conservatives in Prison as there are Liberals.
How many did you meet there?
>Enjoy your success.
Criminals in prisons are usually pretty stupid.
Criminals tend to lie a lot & are uneducated or ill-educated.
Just like wingers.
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Cliff
>>> AHAHHAHA Even the republicans don't want her. Who are you kidding?
>>> Buckleboy is beating her in every poll.
>>
>>Maybe she'll run on the Teabagger ticket. This is gonna be fun.
>
>Nah. They won't be able to front a viable candidate because they are a
>rag tag group with no central leadership.
No idiots from Faux can be found?
How about Rush?
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Cliff
Those are two things that add up to a big zero for Palin.
You don't need much math to play basketball or whatever she did.
Others keep the score (fancy math) anyway.
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Curly Surmudgeon
What does the wacko Shirley MacLane have to do with Barry Goldwater being
misunderstood?
RD (The Sandman)
RD (The Sandman)
> Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:04:40 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
>> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> "Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in
>>> news:4b3f86d9$0$31272$607e...@cv.net:
>>>
>>>
>>>> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in
>>>> message news:Xns9CF469CE6...@216.196.97.130...
>>>>> "Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in
>>>>> news:4b3f80af$0$22537$607e...@cv.net:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in
>>>>>> message news:Xns9CF467032...@216.196.97.130...
>>>>>>> Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:0mmuj5t2uu546ro5e...@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:56:14 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
>>>>>>>> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:3oisj51bgppo826vi...@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:12:18 -0800 (PST), "HH&C"
>>>>>>>>>> <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 6:38 am, Cliff
>>>>>>>>>>> <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/why-jews-h
>>>>>>>>>>>> ate -
States rights did not always mean racism, mon ami. In many cases, and
Barry Goldwater was one of them...it simply meant "states rights" period.
He felt that some things were the right or power of the states not the
feds.
RD (The Sandman)
news:q9v0k5trcp5f9ldcl...@4ax.com:
See your own comments.
Dan
I'm asserting that, as with most politicians, BG used whatever political
pull he could muster to get elected. I do not make any claims for BG's
personal beliefs. Back in the day, the Democratic Party was quite
racist (as was the Republican Party, of course). The vast majority of
the country was racist - if BG rose above that, then good for him!
The statement above claimed he used States' Rights to counter the Civil
Rights Act. Do you have any info to dispute that? I do not know, and I
do take posts from everybody with a 20 lb grain of salt. If the
statement is false, I herewith retract; if not, I don't.
Simple.
Dan
Dan
So, the two of you are denying that both Lincoln and Palin were country
raised Republicans based solely on the statement that one was a modern
Republican and the other was a liberal?
Or did you actually think you were making a point?
Interesting...
Dan
Curly Surmudgeon
Proving a negative is impossible. I knew Barry Goldwater Jr. when he was
a representative in Los Angeles and met the elder a couple of times.
Granted those were passing events without depth but I never saw a hint of
racism.
> Simple.
>
> Dan
Jeff M
NOT commenting on Goldwater specifically, but it is possible to be not
at all racist personally, while still supporting racist policies. It is
a weird sort of cognitive dissonance between the personal and the
political selves, but not all that uncommon. There are many examples of
such dualism in public figures.
robert bowman
> States rights did not always mean racism, mon ami. In many cases, and
> Barry Goldwater was one of them...it simply meant "states rights" period.
> He felt that some things were the right or power of the states not the
> feds.
For Goldwater, it meant 'states rights', period. For the former States'
Rights Democratic Party members like Strom Thurmond, who switched to the
Republican Party to support Goldwater's campaign, 'states' rights' meant
something else.
Hopefully in 2010 the ghosts of the Dixiecrats are buried and states' rights
can unambiguously refer to the push back against creeping federal
government.
Beam Me Up Scotty
Criminals in Prison like to steal others money, just like Liberals and
Socialists.
Inside because they did it with their own gun and the ones still outside
of prison do it with the government gun.
Suck up to a Liberal-Socialist and you suck up to a thief, the only
question is how far will they go to steal from you.....
The gun in your face like an honest criminal, or the gun in your back
like the lowest form of criminal who hides behind politics.
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Dan
And, admittedly, not all of it on the Republican side.
Of course, a similar thing happens when gay politicians vote in anti-gay
legislation, too.
Dan
Cliff
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
>news:q9v0k5trcp5f9ldcl...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:04:40 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
>> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Part of that was msunderstanding of Goldwater's position.
>>
>> http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/media/daisyspot/
>>
>> What "misunderstanding"?
>
>See your own comments.
You don't think much (or deeply), do you?
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RD (The Sandman)
news:2hv3k5t4d14rvkd1i...@4ax.com:
To debate you, one needn't.
RD (The Sandman)
Senior was also involved in programs for minorities here in Arizona and
did not practice any racism in his stores or business dealings.
RD (The Sandman)
Cliff
<Then-Destro...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
>On 1/3/2010 7:17 AM, Cliff wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:41:15 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty
>> <Then-Destro...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/2/2010 9:30 AM, Cliff wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:13:41 -0500, Beam Me Up Scotty
>>>> <Then-Destro...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/1/2010 5:57 PM, smo...@board.net wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:54:49 -0800 (PST), Not Sure
>>>>>> <fred1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sarah Palin will do well in any community of poor, ignorant & religious
>>>>>>>> hillbillies.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And Liberals and Socialists do well in a prison atmosphere where
>>>>> everything is done for them and every detail of your life is micromanaged.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Prison is a Liberal Nirvana and Socialists UTOPIA*--
>>>>
>>>> Then why are most in the prisons as inmates wingers?
>>>> The rethugs lose a lot of members that way.
>>>
>>> Not nearly as many Conservatives in Prison as there are Liberals.
>>
>> How many did you meet there?
>>
>>> Enjoy your success.
>>
>> Criminals in prisons are usually pretty stupid.
>> Criminals tend to lie a lot & are uneducated or ill-educated.
>
>Criminals in Prison like to steal others money, just like Liberals and
>Socialists.
Federal spending produced an 11+ trillion deficit with the rethugs
& wingers.
NOT the dems or liberals.
YOU pay for it.
>Inside because they did it with their own gun and the ones still outside
>of prison do it with the government gun.
Like the rethugs & wingers just did?
>Suck up to a Liberal-Socialist and you suck up to a thief, the only
>question is how far will they go to steal from you.....
And you were dumb enough to fall for it.
"Free War", "Free money" & etc.
>The gun in your face like an honest criminal, or the gun in your back
>like the lowest form of criminal who hides behind politics.
Palin loves guns.
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Cliff
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
>news:2hv3k5t4d14rvkd1i...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:16:16 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
>> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
>>>news:q9v0k5trcp5f9ldcl...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:04:40 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
>>>> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Part of that was msunderstanding of Goldwater's position.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/media/daisyspot/
>>>>
>>>> What "misunderstanding"?
>>>
>>>See your own comments.
>>
>> You don't think much (or deeply), do you?
>
>To debate you, one needn't.
Did you enjoy http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/media/daisyspot/ ?
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RD (The Sandman)
news:ptq9k51d0gr7i2o6r...@4ax.com:
It was no big deal.....of course, neither was he in many minds.