Muslims are the real Nazis (6 min. video)
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john...@hotmail.com
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbrI4v0g6LY
What I find difficult to understand is that major wars were fought
against the Nazis, the Japanese and the scourge of Communism because
they wanted to conquer the West, purge and then dominate what was
left and totally destroy all we hold dear.
The Muslim fanatics wish to do the same and have stated as much. Yet
we are told by a bunch of self-serving appeasers, the very same people
who invite them into out homelands, that we should tolerate them.
Yes, I know, there may be some moderate or 'good' muslims and I
suppose there were also some good Nazis, Japanese and Communists. But
I have heard it said that a moderate muslim will hold your legs while
the fanatic lops of your head.
What has happened in the past 40 years? Is this the price of the
appeasers much-touted 'progress'? What has turned our spines to
jelly? Is it greed, stupidity, what?
ßDoüg±Ç
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Islamonazi petroeuros and petropounds deposited into untraceable islamonazi
bank accounts held by Europeon politicians and law enforcement entities?
klunk
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well it's quite clear by your contrasts that you truly don't understand the
nature of the issues at stake... it is true that the nazis were
expansionist... but the entire reason behind 9/11 was, as bin laden himself
stated several times before the attack that he wants the west out of their
homeland... to them, we ARE the nazis... and that's a BIG difference...
klunk
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the funniest thing about this whole issue is that we can easily take the
wind out of their sails and reduce them to nothing by simply developing
green technologies so that we no longer need to rely on their oil reserves
while feeding them the very money they are using to grow in strength.... in
this regard, this issue is NO different than the war on drugs... eliminate
prohibition and the criminal underground no longer gets funnelled the money
they need to continue to commit their crimes...
TomTom
john...@hotmail.com <john...@hotmail.com> typed:
> On Sep 6, 2:00═am, simple.language.ya...@gmail.com wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbrI4v0g6LY
>
> What I find difficult to understand is that major wars were fought
> against the Nazis, the Japanese and the scourge of Communism because
> they wanted to conquer the West, purge and then dominate what was
> left and totally destroy all we hold dear.
In the case of the Nazis, they actually did conquer the West.
In the case of the Japanese, they actually did not aim to conquer the West
at all
In the case of Communism, which major war was that?
No wonder that you find it difficult to understand.
> The Muslim fanatics wish to do the same and have stated as much. Yet
> we are told by a bunch of self-serving appeasers, the very same people
> who invite them into out homelands, that we should tolerate them.
Your understanding is up to your normal standing.
> Yes, I know, there may be some moderate or 'good' muslims and I
> suppose there were also some good Nazis, Japanese and Communists. But
> I have heard it said that a moderate muslim will hold your legs while
> the fanatic lops of your head.
No, you don't know and you don't suppose at all.
> What has happened in the past 40 years? Is this the price of the
> appeasers much-touted 'progress'? What has turned our spines to
> jelly? Is it greed, stupidity, what?
In your case, it's stupidity every time.
ßDoüg±Ç
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Yeah, right fucktard, but let's just allow them to continue their
persecution and
oppression of women and all other religious faiths, ethnic cleansing of
non-muslime
pigs and ongoing genocide of infidels in the Darfur/Sudan.
?Doug+C
of the instrument of the same name. He also plays
the highly mature Whoredog game of changing followups.
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klunk
well dog... i can't be amazed how you can't see such a simple solution
because the neocons clearly haven't... but... if you take away their money,
you take away their power... and when you take away those things, you create
a situation where they need to rely on other countries to help them
accomplish goals they would otherwise not be able to accomplish... and by
doing so, they enter as volunteers into relationships with the west... and
by doing so, they not only become more receptive to what the west has to
offer, their own people begin to demand it...
there are secular governments in the mid-east like turkey where women have
far more freedoms than is the case in the less educated and devastated by
war regions where the military action is taking place...
and as far as the crap going on in darfur is concerned, then you need to
wake up to the simple fact that they are being backed by the chinese...
iow... they are also only able to commit genocide because they are getting
their money and power from an outside source intentionally interfering with
their natural social evolution..
john...@hotmail.com
> <john27...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
They are not 'contrasts' Klunk - they are expressions of opinion.
I'll make it a little clearer for you - we, as a nation stood agaisnt
the Nazis, the Japs and the Communists, yet we don't, as a complete
nation, seem willing to fight the spread of Islamic fanaticism. In
fact most can't even identify the problem. Instead we invite them
into our midst.
Our enemies learn't long ago that if they confront the people of the
West head-on, it will react accordingly and they will be defeated, but
if they just steadily and stealthly chip away at it's foundations they
will eventually crumble.imsi
klunk
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lol... the nazis were expansionist, stupid... that means they weren't
content with building their nation within their geographical boundaries...
they over-ran their neighbours... in that case, they were a very real threat
to the rest of the world...
bin laden and al quaida on the other hand provided several warnings over
several years to the americans that either they leave their sovereign soil
or they would attack... all they've done is live up to their word....
the americans have been the initial aggressors all along and are continuiing
to be so by meddling in their affairs for generations...
and since you are clearly a repuglican... it would behoove you to pay
attention to the wise words of the only decent republican in their
primaries, ron paul... 'cause he got it right in the first place...
conservative policy did not have a history of preemptive action... and the
only way to get the fundamentalists to stop their bloodthirsty ways is to
create a society that is the envy of the world so that the rest of the world
falls all over itself to emulate... like japan has done...
and in the words of the one republican you should respect, if no other, "the
only way to defeat an enemy is to make him your friend"... that was Abraham
Lincoln...
now answer me this question.... why are you not embarrassed that a canadian
knows more about your own country than you do...?...
now... here's some truth you are clearly in sore need of:
fiscal conservativism:
http://static.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/greenberg21.jpg
mcsame vs obama tax policies:
http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2008/06/12/GR2008061200193.gif
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john...@hotmail.com
Try this TomTom:
> > What I find difficult to understand is that major wars were fought
> > against the Nazis, the Japanese and the scourge of Communism because
> > they wanted to conquer the West, purge and then dominate what was
> > left and totally destroy all we hold dear.
>
> In the case of the Nazis, they actually did conquer the West.
Crap.
> In the case of the Japanese, they actually did not aim to conquer the West
> at all
The west, as defined by a way of life. The Nazis by taking Europe,
planning to invade England - had nothing to so with conquest and
domination?
As for the Japs, well all they wanted to do was throw the Europeans
out of their colonies so they could then dominate them and their
resources and invade Australia. Again, that has nothing to do with
conquest and domination? And Pearl Harbour - what do you reckon that
was about - nothing at all to do with defeating US interests and the
America's ability to thwart their ambitions?
> In the case of Communism, which major war was that?
For one, the Korean war involving the UN, and then tyhere was a ten
year war called Vietnam - 58,000 US dead and many more from the 'Free
World" forces, ten years in duration. Before, in between and
thereafter, lots of little 'wars' involving the communists on one side
and freedom on the other.
> No wonder that you find it difficult to understand.
Too hard for you? Not hard for me.
> > The Muslim fanatics wish to do the same and have stated as much. Yet
> > we are told by a bunch of self-serving appeasers, the very same people
> > who invite them into out homelands, that we should tolerate them.
>
> Your understanding is up to your normal standing.
No counter-argument? But suppose you try to explain why a such a large
number of people from a culture and religion that despises the West,
it's cultures, it's religions and traditions ,move in droves from
their blessed homelands to occupy ours? Why do they come? Why is the
stated aim of the fanatics just as I have said? Do help me to
understand where I have got it wrong.
> > Yes, I know, there may be some moderate or 'good' muslims and I
> > suppose there were also some good Nazis, Japanese and Communists. But
> > I have heard it said that a moderate muslim will hold your legs while
> > the fanatic lops of your head.
>
> No, you don't know and you don't suppose at all.
Oh but I do and I am happy with the experiences that have instilled
such knowledge and support such suppositions.
>
> > What has happened in the past 40 years? Is this the price of the
> > appeasers much-touted 'progress'? What has turned our spines to
> > jelly? Is it greed, stupidity, what?
>
> In your case, it's stupidity every time.
Again, just puerile comment, no argument whatsoeve. But that's all
I've come to expect from a net child. You are very superficial in
your replies. Why not just say you don't agree with me and then
provide the reasons why. After all that's why I post - to drum up a
little discussion (with the emphasis on 'little') but I expect it to
come from adults, not children.
john...@hotmail.com
I know they were expansionist 'stupid' - I never said otherwise. But
you must admit the muslims are just as expansionist - they have said
so themselves. And of course by expanding their borders the Nazis
would never sought to expand their culture and traditions and erase
others? Maybe you have forgotten the Jews?
> bin laden and al quaida on the other hand provided several warnings over
> several years to the americans that either they leave their sovereign soil
> or they would attack... all they've done is live up to their word....
Relevance? Why limit your response to just bin Laden and al Queda?
The topic is 'muslims' and history will show that they have steadily
expanded their influence, by hook or by crook, all over the globe.
> the americans have been the inifor centuries - nothings changed.tial aggressors all along and are continuiing
> to be so by meddling in their affairs for generations...
That would be a little more than two centuries. History going back
thousands of years will show you that Muslims have sought to spread
their influence beyond their holy lands.
> and since you are clearly a repuglican.
I know some Canadians despise the US, and in your case it shows. I am
not an American and I sure wouldn't want to be a confused Canadian.
You lot can stay out of world affairs as much as you like but when
shit hits the fan you will be included.
.>t would behoove you to pay
> attention to the wise words of the only decent republican in their
> primaries, ron paul... 'cause he got it right in the first place...
> conservative policy did not have a history of preemptive action... and the
> only way to get the fundamentalists to stop their bloodthirsty ways is to
> create a society that is the envy of the world so that the rest of the world
> falls all over itself to emulate... like japan has done..
Really, who is trying to emulate the Japs, the biggest copy-cats in
the world. Just who is trying to copy who? If Japan is so great why
haven't the Muslims taken hold there? We know the answer to that
one.
> and in the words of the one republican you should respect, if no other, "the
> only way to defeat an enemy is to make him your friend"... that was Abraham
> Lincoln...
Might have worked in a world so isolated as it was at the time. But
times change and if you want to play huggy bear with bin Laden and the
muslim fanatics - be my guest.
> now answer me this question.... why are you not embarrassed that a canadian
> knows more about your own country than you do.?
I'm not an American and you don't know 'my' country so why should I be
embarrassed - I 'm not as embarrassed as I would be if I was a
Canadian making the comments and the assumptions you are making
> now... here's some truth you are clearly in sore need of:
Save it for someone who thinks your anti-US rhetoric is relevant to
the topic.
klunk
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lol... nope... i haven't forgotten the jews at all... but, you seem to when
you inflame the hatreds of the terrorists... since you haven't quite figured
out how that all fits together... let me clue you in... the americans are
viewed as puppets of the zionist empire... so... all the shit that the
americans are doing over there... the terrorists are using as recruiting
fodder for their cause while using the fear of the neighbouring jews as the
convenient target for instilling fear... which is rather ironic since the
repuglicans in the states... and most amusingly caricaturized by rudy
9/11guiliani... use the fear of terrorists as their own recruiting message
for their support...
are you beginning to see the vicious circle that's being created here...?...
prolly not... so... let me clue you in on another clear distinction between
the nazis and the terrorists... the nazis were a state... an ENTIRE
country... replete with industry and an economy and a population from which
to build an army and mount strategic attacks to literally take over the
surrounding lands...
the terrorists, on the other hand... are a loosely interconnection of small
cells whose sole purpose is to sow anarchy... they literally have no ability
to actually take over anything... in fact... without the steady supply of
funding provided to them by allies who support their anarchist agenda... and
note: this does not necessarilly mean they are getting funded by those who
share their system of belief... like china... they are simply pawns for
them... tools that when given appropriate support and a target they can both
agree on, will do their work of sowing anarchy on their behalf...
and as a contrast to the nazi regime and their own agenda of expansionism...
the terrorists are not at all interested in taking over other countries in
such a way... if anything... what they are interested in is furthering a
system of belief... and such things cannot find fertile ground when the
population isn't struggling for mere existence due to sheer poverty as a
result of military destruction... and such desparate people do not have
reason to fear or hate an american enemy if they are not there on their
lands destroying their lives... what would otherwise be the case, as what
was happening with the taliban, was that the people there were actually
rebelling against the taliban because they simply did not appreciate having
to live under their tyrannical rule... they clearly did not like.. as either
you or i would not like, having to kowtow to some fascist's narrow views nor
did they like dying at their hands... now... they are dying at the hands of
the americans while the taliban are offering them hope...
try to remember the VERY poignant story of what happened in berlin... it
should be relatively top of mind to you at this point since it's been in the
media quite a bit lately... now think... very carefully about how much hope
the west germans had in the face of being surrounded by their communist
enemy when they received it in the form of airplanes and pilots risking
their lives to simply drop them the food supplies they needed just to
survive... and think about how that hope helped them to endure the hardship
they suffered... and think about how that hope has now blossomed into a
democratic nation that is no longer divided....
against the fear military might that the americans are offering the natives
of both afghanistan and iraq, the taliban and al quaida are now offering
that which should have been the very backbone of their liberation...
instead, they now look towards the devil himself to help them survive... and
that alone is what has caused that region to not only become completely
unstable... and that hope to the downtrodden along with the hatred that the
terrorists are offering... which is also no different than what hitler
himself offered his own people... so.. there is a comparison on this very
slim line to the distinctions you've mistakenly drawn is what will fuel
american resentment for generations to come...
the implications of this massive clustefuck will be regretted by this entire
world for at least the remainder of this century...
> bin laden and al quaida on the other hand provided several warnings over
> several years to the americans that either they leave their sovereign soil
> or they would attack... all they've done is live up to their word....
Relevance? Why limit your response to just bin Laden and al Queda?
The topic is 'muslims' and history will show that they have steadily
expanded their influence, by hook or by crook, all over the globe.
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lol... no... YOU choose to blame muslims... but it clearly isn't... the
blame for 9/11 is clearly bin laden's... not the innocent muslim in your
neighbourhood... and their influence, as i've covered, is irrelevant to a
nation who clearly understands the importance of separation between church
and state...
i quite frankly don't care what delusional religion anyone subscribes to as
long as they don't shove it down my throat and as long as it does not invade
my political sphere... and that goes for christianity... the same
christianity that has been perverted in america to feed the fears of the
naive who, like hitler's own naive population seek an enemy to fear because
life is just waaaay too complex nowadays to be able to truly comprehend shit
as simple as technology and its implications... and this forum is a perfect
example of this...
to elaborate... i've been exchanging views with a few chinese
nationalists... as have others... and discussing the differences between our
two differing forms of government... and i am quite certain that some of the
ideas that they had previously been unaware of, such as freedom of speech
along with the many varying freedoms we enjoy not living in fear of a
government that represses individuality will have lasting and long term
implications for their country...
i'm certainly not saying that change will happen "overnight"... but... in
historical terms, it will...
> the americans have been the inifor centuries - nothings changed.tial
> aggressors all along and are continuiing
> to be so by meddling in their affairs for generations...
That would be a little more than two centuries. History going back
thousands of years will show you that Muslims have sought to spread
their influence beyond their holy lands.
----
lol... yes... the palestinians and the jews have been at war for
centuries... but inflaming hatreds such as you seem to indulge in is EXACTLY
why they've been at war for centuries... and american intrusion has not been
happening anywhere near that long...
> and since you are clearly a repuglican.
I know some Canadians despise the US, and in your case it shows. I am
not an American and I sure wouldn't want to be a confused Canadian.
You lot can stay out of world affairs as much as you like but when
shit hits the fan you will be included.
----
lol... i actually admire the americans... but i also value my own
sovereignty... you clearly do not understand my feelings if you are going to
attribute such misguided feelings to me... and as far as the issue of
confusion is concerned... it is quite clear to me, that i have a far firmer
grip on understanding the complexities at play than you do... iow... you are
simply projecting your own confusion onto me because these issues are far
more complex than simply raising your arms in blind hatred toward a religion
that is practiced all over the world by over one billion people...
.>t would behoove you to pay
> attention to the wise words of the only decent republican in their
> primaries, ron paul... 'cause he got it right in the first place...
> conservative policy did not have a history of preemptive action... and the
> only way to get the fundamentalists to stop their bloodthirsty ways is to
> create a society that is the envy of the world so that the rest of the
> world
> falls all over itself to emulate... like japan has done..
Really, who is trying to emulate the Japs, the biggest copy-cats in
the world. Just who is trying to copy who? If Japan is so great why
haven't the Muslims taken hold there? We know the answer to that
one.
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wow... you've just proven your own confusion with this statement... my
reference to the japanese was in regards to them emulating the americans...
but... since you already understand that... you should re-read my paragraph
above with the knowledge that that was exactly my point which you missed...
> and in the words of the one republican you should respect, if no other,
> "the
> only way to defeat an enemy is to make him your friend"... that was
> Abraham
> Lincoln...
Might have worked in a world so isolated as it was at the time. But
times change and if you want to play huggy bear with bin Laden and the
muslim fanatics - be my guest.
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lol... nope... universal truths are always and will always remain universal
truths... and they will always apply to EVERY situation in any time at any
place... i am, in no way suggesting inviting bin laden over for a chat... he
is a criminal... and like all criminals, must pay for their crimes... for
you to toss out such an idiotic accusation in my face is an insult not to
me... but to you... and to the good people whom have sacrificed so much to
follow an idiotic leader into a war without a strategy or without the
support they were promised to begin with...
> now answer me this question.... why are you not embarrassed that a
> canadian
> knows more about your own country than you do.?
I'm not an American and you don't know 'my' country so why should I be
embarrassed - I 'm not as embarrassed as I would be if I was a
Canadian making the comments and the assumptions you are making
----
lol... since you are not an american, i will gladly admit that i made an
assumption based upon what are common views held by bush brownshirts... but,
clearly there are conservative-minded ostriches all across this globe... and
in fact... that is exactly the sort of mindset that drives the terrorists in
the first place... iow... YOU are no different than they... and YOU are as
responsible for inflaming their hatreds as they are when they drum up
recruits... in fact... i would not be surprised if they culled quotes of
yours from this very newsgroup to show their naive and starving young adults
how much the west hates them and how they are plotting to destroy them...
you simply make it that much easier for them to succeed in their recruiting
drives...
simple.lan...@gmail.com
with klunk, but I agree with his comment about green energy.
"klunk" <kl...@theothershoo.org> wrote:
> the terrorists, on the other hand... are a loosely interconnection of small
> cells whose sole purpose is to sow anarchy... they literally have no ability
> to actually take over anything... in fact... without the steady supply of
> funding provided to them by allies who support their anarchist agenda...
True, but they still do lots of damage. Do we want to import Muslim
anarchy into our neighbors?
Wall Street Journal describes this anarchy in detail: How to Manage
(Muslim) Savagery: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122059157681303377.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
> and note: this does not necessarilly mean they are getting funded by those who
> share their system of belief... like china...
China fights its own domestic war with the jihadists. Its government
is not controlled by a jihadist ideology, but by avarice. They would
sell long range missiles to Adolf Hitler.
> they are simply pawns for them... tools that when given
> appropriate support and a target they can both agree on,
> will do their work of sowing anarchy on their behalf...
I disagree. Jihadists do not take orders from Peking. They want to
rule the world.
I agree with Doug that jihad is fueled by petrodollars.
FACE
<noün...@now.com>, wrote
><john...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>On Sep 6, 2:00 am, simple.language.ya...@gmail.com wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbrI4v0g6LY
Well put together video,
>
> What I find difficult to understand is that major wars were fought
>against the Nazis, the Japanese and the scourge of Communism because
>they wanted to conquer the West, purge and then dominate what was
>left and totally destroy all we hold dear.
>
>The Muslim fanatics wish to do the same and have stated as much. Yet
>we are told by a bunch of self-serving appeasers, the very same people
>who invite them into out homelands, that we should tolerate them.
>
>Yes, I know, there may be some moderate or 'good' muslims and I
>suppose there were also some good Nazis, Japanese and Communists. But
>I have heard it said that a moderate muslim will hold your legs while
>the fanatic lops of your head.
>
>What has happened in the past 40 years? Is this the price of the
>appeasers much-touted 'progress'? What has turned our spines to
>jelly? Is it greed, stupidity, what?
>
>**************************
>Islamonazi petroeuros and petropounds deposited into untraceable islamonazi
>bank accounts held by Europeon politicians and law enforcement entities?
>
Also, a part of it was probably captured in this from long ago:
"Louis Veuillot, the 19th century French writer, captured the
dilemma facing the West in confronting peoples who do not conform to
Western moral principles. "When I am the weaker, I ask you for my
freedom, because that is your principle; but when I am the
stronger, I take away your freedom, because that is my
principle."
FACE
ßDoüg±Ç
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Great quote FACE.
klunk
<simple.lan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> We are having a civilized debate in this thread! I generally disagree
> with klunk, but I agree with his comment about green energy.
>
> "klunk" <kl...@theothershoo.org> wrote:
>
>> the terrorists, on the other hand... are a loosely interconnection of
>> small
>> cells whose sole purpose is to sow anarchy... they literally have no
>> ability
>> to actually take over anything... in fact... without the steady supply of
>> funding provided to them by allies who support their anarchist agenda...
>
> True, but they still do lots of damage. Do we want to import Muslim
> anarchy into our neighbors?
> Wall Street Journal describes this anarchy in detail: How to Manage
> (Muslim) Savagery:
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122059157681303377.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
no one's arguing that damage isn't taking place... the very simple point is
that we are giving them not only the funding they need to continue their
hate-filled ways, we are also giving them reason to continue them...
>> and note: this does not necessarilly mean they are getting funded by
>> those who
>> share their system of belief... like china...
>
> China fights its own domestic war with the jihadists. Its government
> is not controlled by a jihadist ideology, but by avarice. They would
> sell long range missiles to Adolf Hitler.
china, like any government, holds its own interests above the interests of
all other nations and groups... they're faced with catching up to the
enormous strides made by western democracies... they have had no choice but
to change themselves in order to not be reduced to a third world shithole
dying under its own lack of invention... so, they are still utilizing the
mindset of the last century to attempt to establish leadership in this
century... like i said, they don't give a shit about the jihadists beyond
how they can serve as pawns in their own strategies... if that means
equipping them with nuclear armaments to wipe out their competition with
western democracies... well... i'd say history has shown us that it's pretty
clear that anything is possible....
>> they are simply pawns for them... tools that when given
>> appropriate support and a target they can both agree on,
>> will do their work of sowing anarchy on their behalf...
>
> I disagree. Jihadists do not take orders from Peking. They want to
> rule the world.
>
> I agree with Doug that jihad is fueled by petrodollars.
i never said they "take orders" from china... i said that when they can
agree on a target, china will finance their own goals... the jihadists are
fueled by one concern alone... to spread their hate-filled idiotology
because, to them... the rest of this "decadent" world is an affront to their
beliefs... and the anger and violence levelled against them simply fuels
their resolve...
if we truly want to stop them, we have to stop giving them reasons to
hate... one side has to be the first to stop spreading hatred for the other
to lose their own reasons for hating... and it's pretty clear to me, that if
they're going to wage a war with what they perceive to be an enemy for more
than two centuries... then inflaming that hatred will only guarantee that
the war will continue for another two centuries...
once people stop blaming ALL muslims for the crimes of a few that do not
represent their beliefs, then we've enlisted the help of over one billion
people whom are currently ambivalent about taking a stand either way....
hating all muslims only pushes those people in the opposite direction...
accepting the legitimacy of their faith, in the manner that christians have
been taught to by their own faith, gives them hope for the survival of their
own... and gives them reason to believe that they should fight back against
the terrorists....
Ariadne
> We are having a civilized debate in this thread! I generally disagree
> with klunk, but I agree with his comment about green energy.
>
> "klunk" <kl...@theothershoo.org> wrote:
> > the terrorists, on the other hand... are a loosely interconnection of small
> > cells whose sole purpose is to sow anarchy... they literally have no ability
> > to actually take over anything... in fact... without the steady supply of
> > funding provided to them by allies who support their anarchist agenda...
>
> True, but they still do lots of damage. Do we want to import Muslim
> anarchy into our neighbors?
> Wall Street Journal describes this anarchy in detail: How to Manage
>
> > and note: this does not necessarilly mean they are getting funded by those who
> > share their system of belief... like china...
>
> China fights its own domestic war with the jihadists. Its government
> is not controlled by a jihadist ideology, but by avarice. They would
> sell long range missiles to Adolf Hitler.
>
> > they are simply pawns for them... tools that when given
> > appropriate support and a target they can both agree on,
> > will do their work of sowing anarchy on their behalf...
>
> I disagree. Jihadists do not take orders from Peking. They want to
> rule the world.
>
> I agree with Doug that jihad is fueled by petrodollars.
And bin Laden wants a country.
ßDoüg±Ç
Yeah, the muslime fucks will protect us from islamonazism. LOL. Just like
they've protected:
i. the 2.5 million Assyrian and Armenian Christians slaughtered by Turkish
muslim fucks
ii. the almost 2 million infidels slaughtered in the Sudan/Darfur since the
late
20th century
iii. infidels in every islamic theocracy on earth: by persecuting them,
oppressing
them and murdering them.
klunk
well dog... apparently you just don't get it... try to imagine, if you have
the capacity to do so... when someone is a moderate and peace-loving
muslim... why would they stand up and denounce the terrorists actions when
all that would happen is to become vilified by both sides...?... all they
would accomplish is to paint a target on their backs to be assassinated by
freaks from both camps... you are NOT helping in the slightest... you are
making things worse...
ßDoüg±Ç
Talk is cheap skunk. I'll believe in your "moderate and peace-loving"
muslims
when they STOP persecuting/oppressing women and infidels. A persecution
that includes genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Your ascribing me the blame for islamonazi actions is ludicrous.
You're a foolio.
klunk
ya... talk IS cheap... but YOU'RE the one on a crusade against islam...
so... why aren't you the one over there on the front lines...?... btw... you
still haven't answered my question about what exactly it is that drives your
hatred... i did say that the 7 year-old who had his entire family massacred
by the americans would have an excuse to hate the americans... but, you
still haven't explained how you got your hard-on against islam... and unless
you can provide a reasonable explanation... then, yes... you ARE responsible
for fanning the flames of hatred... and yes... you and your posts are
nothing more than ammunition for them in their recruiting drives... the
least you can do is to provide people with a reason why someone should hate
someone else... 'cause, from where i'm sitting... you are not at all any
different than the terrorists screaming for bloody murder against the west..
john...@hotmail.com
I was going to go to the trouble of replying to each of your comments,
however, after only a few lines I realised you are all over the shop
and obviously like to hear yourself talk.
The original question I posed was a simple one - how come recent past
threats were identified and dealt with, yet when it comes to the
threat from Muslim fanatics some do as you do - excuse their actions
and then try and condemn America and the West. You strike me as a
typical apoligist, the very type of person who got the world into the
mess it currently is in. You pontificate, you appease, you hand-wring
and then hide from reality. The last thing you are prepared to do is
stand up to a clear and present danger. My question was - why?
You offer a diatribe ofguilt yet provide no solution.
Muslims have been doing what they do for thousands of years, mostly in
the name of their religion which is used to justify their actions.
Now shall we discuss who fucked whose goat first so we can go about
killing each-others families?
Maybe you should have a good hard look at some of the famatics
websites? Then again mayne you shouldn't - bets you satisfy yourself
by accepting.
klunk
<john...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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i don't... you misunderstand me completely...
i AM standing up to a clear and present danger by addressing YOU
-------------------------------------------
You offer a diatribe ofguilt yet provide no solution.
Muslims have been doing what they do for thousands of years, mostly in
the name of their religion which is used to justify their actions.
Now shall we discuss who fucked whose goat first so we can go about
killing each-others families?
Maybe you should have a good hard look at some of the famatics
websites? Then again mayne you shouldn't - bets you satisfy yourself
by accepting.
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no.... you should have a good hard look at YOU
john...@hotmail.com
I see, according to you I am the problem yet I have threatened no-one,
I have killed no-one and I do not proscibe to a religion or a mindset
that does. Totally FUBAR.
Yet you have finally answered one of my questions.
klunk
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LMAO.... i gave you incredibly long and detailed answers to your
questions... and your eyes just glazed over them... try re-reading my post a
little more slowly.... take a few deep breaths and ponder each paragraph...
go eat a crumpet or do something to give yourself a break in-between reading
each paragraph and digest the meaning i've conveyed to you so that you can
see the reasons why i've been saying all along that you are the problem
PRECISELY because you have chosen to smear blindly...
when bin laden attacked.... the world was on the u.s. side... they had
righteous anger to go after bin laden... and instead of capturing the
criminal responsible for the crime... bush pissed away the world's good will
to further a religious feud that's been going on for centuries... and even
worse is the fact that he went after a neighbouring country for what is now
a much-more-transparent-to-most-people reason of securing an oil supply...
i will answer your question once again... YOU are the problem because YOU
further the hatred that simply provides the terrorists with the evidence
they need to convince new recruits that the west is out to kill them all...
they are literally afraid of being wiped out by the biggest super power in
the world... as would any country be... and the only response they can make
in the face of such a threat that's being fuelled by the blind and generic
hatred for all muslims that YOU promote only makes them resolute in their
own hatred...
it is a vicious circle that has been going on for far too long and it is way
past the time for this shit to stop. period.... and you should know better
because it's quite obvious you have a superior education to what a goat
herder in a third world desert country has...
abelard
> The original question I posed was a simple one - how come recent past
> threats were identified and dealt with, yet when it comes to the
> threat from Muslim fanatics some do as you do - excuse their actions
> and then try and condemn America and the West. You strike me as a
> typical apoligist, the very type of person who got the world into the
> mess it currently is in. You pontificate, you appease, you hand-wring
> and then hide from reality. The last thing you are prepared to do is
> stand up to a clear and present danger. My question was - why?
>
extermination of Islamics in death camps, can freedom and liberty prevail.
then the government must do the same to those who meet my definition of
socialist.
then we will come for the homosexuals, every last one of them. but me.
Ariadne
simple.lan...@gmail.com
> I don't think I've seen an abelard forgery before.
This is the work of a Muslim troll called Faris Jawad. He went on a
forgery rampage today.
The troll emigrated from southern India to Canada, where he makes a
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