Judge stops ACORN funding ban. Awwww. A rightard downer
Harry Hope
From The Hill, 12/11/09:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/71911-judge-stops-acorn-funding-ban
Judge stops ACORN funding ban
By Eric Zimmermann
A federal judge today issued an injunction preventing the
implementation of a congressional ban on funding for ACORN.
Judge Nina Gershon concluded that the ban amounted to a "bill of
attainder" that unfairly singled out ACORN.
"[The plaintiffs] have been singled out by Congress for punishment
that directly and immediately affects their ability to continue to
obtain federal funding, in the absence of any judicial, or even
administrative, process of adjudicating guilt," Gershon wrote in her
decision.
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Rightards are bawling uncontrollably.
Harry
bvallely
organizations?
ACORN is toxic, and will destroy the Democrat Party.
Stile4aly
No, judges are telling Congress that if they believe ACORN has
committed a crime then they must be tried and convicted. They cannot
be punished without due process.
Clairbear
922139...@u36g2000prn.googlegroups.com:
Why were they funded in the first place? NGOs, especially such blatantly
partisan organzations as ACORN, should not funded by OUR government OUR
government is not there to fund corruption on the left or the right.
John Fisher
> Stile4aly <stile4...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:29fe8636-5102-42b2-993c-
> 922139cdc...@u36g2000prn.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Dec 12, 4:03�pm, bvallely <bvall...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> Judges are now telling Congress that they MUST fund corrupt
> >> organizations?
>
> >> ACORN is toxic, and will destroy the Democrat Party.
>
> > No, judges are telling Congress that if they believe ACORN has
> > committed a crime then they must be tried and convicted. �They cannot
> > be punished without due process.
>
> Why were they funded in the first place? NGOs, especially such blatantly
> partisan organzations as ACORN, should not funded by OUR government OUR
> government is not there to fund corruption on the left or the right.
You are spreading the gospel of LIES generated by wingers!!! ACORN
advises people of their right to vote. It does not advise them how to
vote!!! The fact that so many of the oppressed poor, who have not in
the past known to exercise their rights, are brught into the system,
enobles the efforts of ACORN. That the oppressed are brought into the
system, they vote based on the needs to survive and tend to choose the
party which offers them the best hope for that survival. Wingers
enjoy oppressing, suppressing, and regressing when it comes to the
poor. Makes no never mind that they are Democrats, Republicans,
Socialists, etc, if you're down, your out (and should be kept out) as
far as they are concerned. Three cheers (and then some) for
ACORN!!!-:)
Clairbear
8758cb...@t42g2000vba.googlegroups.com:
> On Dec 13, 12:06�am, Clairbear <cl...@Verizon.net> wrote:
>> Stile4aly <stile4...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:29fe8636-5102-42b2-993c-
>> 922139cdc...@u36g2000prn.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > On Dec 12, 4:03�pm, bvallely <bvall...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >> Judges are now telling Congress that they MUST fund corrupt
>> >> organizations?
>>
>> >> ACORN is toxic, and will destroy the Democrat Party.
>>
>> > No, judges are telling Congress that if they believe ACORN has
>> > committed a crime then they must be tried and convicted. �They
> cannot
>> > be punished without due process.
>>
>> Why were they funded in the first place? NGOs, especially such blatantly
>> partisan organzations as ACORN, should not funded by OUR government OUR
>> government is not there to fund corruption on the left or the right.
>
> You are spreading the gospel of LIES generated by wingers!!! ACORN
> advises people of their right to vote.
ACORN advises on how to get away with running a house of child prostitution
as proven on national tv ad nauseum
> It does not advise them how to vote!!!
Youi belive that ? I got a bridge I'd like to talk to yopu about buying
> The fact that so many of the oppressed poor, who have not in
> the past known to exercise their rights, are brught into the system,
> enobles the efforts of ACORN.
Anyone whose has been through a public school should know how exercise
their rights I guess you are saying the the poor a just to damn stupid to
think for themselves
> That the oppressed are brought into the
> system, they vote based on the needs to survive and tend to choose the
> party which offers them the best hope for that survival. Wingers
> enjoy oppressing, suppressing, and regressing when it comes to the
> poor.
Cite proof of poor being opressed if you can If you believe the poor are
oppressed you had a bit too much of that leftie koolaid
> Makes no never mind that they are Democrats, Republicans,
> Socialists, etc, if you're down, your out (and should be kept out) as
> far as they are concerned. Three cheers (and then some) for
> ACORN!!!-:)
>
ACORN is a corrupt oganization and has been proven so over and over again
You would have to be one of the dumbest people on the plant not to know
that
John Fisher
> John Fisher <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote in news:51feb7db-8acd-4d4c-80bb-
> 8758cbc84...@t42g2000vba.googlegroups.com:
>
> - Show quoted text -
It's ALL in your head, based on the propaganda you've been fed!!!=:)
bvallely
Sure, they can. Congress can cut funding for a good reason, bad
reason, or no reason at all. It's Congress. This is another attempt
by the courts to take over the country, and reduce elected
representatives to merely making suggestions.
Of course, in the 2010 elections it will be tons 'o fun to watch the
Democrats explain why they defended monsters who were willing to help
a pimp and a pro kidnap 13 year old girls and turn them into sex
slaves.
Clairbear
So indictment, aconvictions and the actual words of ACORN staffers are
peropganda Are YOU delusional or just plain stupid?
Poetic Justice
> bvallely wrote:
>
>> monsters who were willing to help
>> a pimp and a pro kidnap 13 year old girls and turn them into sex
>> slaves.
>
>
>
> * Republican aide Alan David Berlin was arrested on charges that he
> wanted to engage in sex acts with a 15-year-old boy while dressed in a
> panda costume.
>
> * Republican news producer Aaron Bruns was arrested on charges of
> possessing child pornography.
>
> * Republican activist and former presidential campaign chairman
> Jeffrey Claude Bartleson was arrested on charges of sexually molesting
> a 5-year old boy.
>
> * Republican activist and former chairman of the Christian County
> Republicans Royce Fessenden pleaded guilty to two counts of
> first-degree child molestation and one count of second-degree
> statutory sodomy.
>
> * Republican parole board officer and former legislator George C.
> (Chris) Ortloff pleaded guilty to attempting to lure 11- and
> 12-year-old girls to have sex with him.
>
> * Republican legislative aide Robert R. Groezinger was arrested for
> possessing child pornography.
>
> * Republican legislator Robert A. McKee pleaded guilty to possessing
> child pornography.
>
> * Republican legislator Scott Muschany was charged with molesting a
> 14-year old girl.
>
> * Republican chief of staff Eric Feltner pleaded guilty to showing
> pornography to a 13-year old girl.
>
> * Republican presidential campaign official Matthew Joseph Elliott was
> convicted of sexual exploitation of a child.
>
> * Republican Party Chairman Donald Fleischman was charged with two
> counts of child enticement, two counts of contributing to the
> delinquency of a child and a single charge of exposing himself to a
> child.
>
> * Republican prosecutor John David Roy Atchison was arrested for
> soliciting sex from a 5-year old girl, then killed himself three weeks
> later. At the time of his arrest, Atchison was an "assistant U.S.
> attorney" appointed by President Bush's attorney general.
>
> * Republican city councilman John Bryan killed himself after police
> began investigating allegations that he had molested three girls,
> including two of his adopted daughters, ages 12 and 15.
>
> * Republican legislator Ted Klaudt was charged with raping girls under
> the age of 16.
>
> * Republican city councilman Joseph Monteleone Jr. was found guilty of
> fondling underage girls.
>
> * Republican congressional aide Jeffrey Nielsen was arrested for
> having sex with a 14-year old boy.
>
> * Republican County Commissioner Patrick Lee McGuire surrendered to
> police after allegedly molesting girls between the ages of 8 and 13.
>
> * Republican prosecutor Larry Corrigan was arrested for soliciting sex
> from 13-year old girls.
>
> * Republican Mayor Jeffrey Kyle Randall was sentenced to 275 days in
> jail for molesting two boys -- ages ten and 12 -- during a six-year
> period.
>
> * Republican County Board Candidate Brent Schepp was charged with
> molesting a 14-year old girl and killed himself three days later.
>
> * Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress
> after "sexually explicit" emails surfaced showing him flirting with a
> 16-year old boy.
>
> * Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington
> Times newspaper pleaded guilty to soliciting sex from a 13-year old
> girl on the internet.
>
> * Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres
> confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.
>
> * Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd pleaded guilty to
> charges of soliciting sex from an 8-year old girl. Floyd has
> repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.
>
> * Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a
> 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
>
> * Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex
> with a 5-year old boy.
>
> * Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to
> molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of
> an associate in the petition business.
>
> * Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano pleaded guilty to fondling
> a 14-year-old girl.
>
> * Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded
> guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.
>
> * Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child
> molester.
>
> * Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in
> federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
>
> * Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child
> pornography over the internet.
>
> * Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting
> sex from two 15-year old girls.
>
> * Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to
> molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years
> in prison.
>
> * Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10
> years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
>
> * Republican Committeeman John R. Curtin was convicted of molesting an
> underage teenage boy and sentenced to serve six to 18 months in
> prison.
>
> * Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a
> convicted child rapist in Florida.
>
> * Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church
> president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on
> an 11-year old girl he murdered.
>
> * Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to
> possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to
> anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
>
> * Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three
> years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
>
> * Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond
> had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
>
> * Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during
> the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting
> to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
>
> * Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an
> inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
>
> * Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to
> six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one of whom
> appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.
>
> * Republican fundraiser Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex
> parties at the White House during the 1980s.
>
> * Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at
> the White House during the 1980s.
>
> * Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of
> having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
>
> * Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child
> porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
>
> * Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex
> crimes involving children.
>
> * Republican campaign chairman Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to
> attempted sexual assault on a child and was arrested again five years
> later on the same charge.
>
> * Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working
> as a congressional page.
>
> * Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell
> admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
>
> * Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline pleaded guilty to possession of
> child pornography on his home computer.
>
> * Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was
> charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay
> bar.
>
> * Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for
> distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
>
> * Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was
> taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual
> activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug
> LSD.
>
> * Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with
> molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
>
> * Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex
> with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the
> allegations were reported in the media.
>
> * Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to
> traditional values, was sentenced prison after offering $20 to a
> 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
>
> * Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing
> his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
>
> * Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced
> to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he
> attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
>
> * Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of
> raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
>
> * Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two
> years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year
> old girl.
>
> * Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of
> first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
>
> * Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven
> felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age
> of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
>
> * Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty
> of molesting a 15-year old girl.
>
> * Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to
> molesting a male child.
>
> * Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual
> assault on a teenage girl.
>
> * Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two
> daughters.
>
> * Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was
> convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
>
> * Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty
> to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
>
> * Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest
> to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
>
> * Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of
> child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months
> in federal prison and fined $18,000.
>
> * Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state
> representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography
> was found in his possession.
>
> * Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin
> Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex
> from boys and girls over the internet.
>
> * Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good
> military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having
> sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
>
> * Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for
> Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in
> the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
>
> * Republican campaign worker, police officer and self-proclaimed
> reverend Steve Aiken was convicted of having sex with two underage
> girls.
>
> * Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas
> Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six
> years in prison.
>
> * Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp.
> Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his
> computer.
>
> * Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A.
> Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62,
> who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has
> allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1
> million to have sex with a large number of young women.
>
> * Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape of
> children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into
> providing information about the anti-American insurgency. See excerpt
> of one prisoner's report here and his full report here.
And you support ACORN... Who represents the worst of the worst.
How is that you support Liberal child abuse isn't that hypocritical?
John Fisher
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> - Show quoted text -
What "indictments, and convictions" do you have in mind???
Certainly, you're not referring to ACORN!!!-:) Actual words, and
clever editing, are tools of deceitful wingers.
bvallely
> What "indictments, and convictions" do you have in mind???
> Certainly, you're not referring to ACORN!!!-:) Actual words, and
> clever editing, are tools of deceitful wingers.
Fox News posts full, unedited video of sting on ACORN San Bernardino
If you visit the link, you can see the unedited video
Stile4aly
> .
>
> > What "indictments, and convictions" do you have in mind???
> > Certainly, you're not referring to ACORN!!!-:) Actual words, and
> > clever editing, are tools of deceitful wingers.
>
>
> Fox News posts full, unedited video of sting on ACORN San Bernardino
>
> If you visit the link, you can see the unedited video
That is neither an indictment nor a conviction.
bvallely
> > > What "indictments, and convictions" do you have in mind???
> > > Certainly, you're not referring to ACORN!!!-:) Actual words, and
> > > clever editing, are tools of deceitful wingers.
> >http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/15/fox-news-posts-full-unedited-vi...
.
> > Fox News posts full, unedited video of sting on ACORN San Bernardino
> > If you visit the link, you can see the unedited video
> That is neither an indictment nor a conviction.
Why are you defending these scumbags? Do you get a boner when you
think about kidnapped 13 year old girls used as sex slaves?
bvallely
> bvallely wrote:
> > monsters who were willing to help
> > a pimp and a pro kidnap 13 year old girls and turn them into sex
> > slaves.
> STOP REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILIA
.
Yes, yes, yes. Democrats with Time On Their Hads recordered every
pedophile in US history who ever reistered as a Republican.
Quite an accomplishment.
However, YOU'RE still making excuses for ACORN, which were willing to
help a pimp and a prostitute kidnap 13 year old girls and turn them
into sex slaves.
Is it that you're turned on by the idea of 13 year old sex slaves?
Clairbear
> On Dec 14, 8:06�am, Clairbear <cl...@Verizon.net> wrote:
>> John Fisher <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote
>> innews:98142e08-e26b-46e4-8030-f72
> 6fbd...@x16g2000vbk.googlegroups.com:
You're one of those willing idiots who these types need survive and
promulgate their kind. And no amount of truth will ever get trough you
koolaid induced smokescreen
John Fisher
> John Fisher <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote innews:579c9890-9943-432a...@e27g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 14, 8:06�am, Clairbear <cl...@Verizon.net> wrote:
> >> John Fisher <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote
> >> innews:98142e08-e26b-46e4-8030-f72
>
> - Show quoted text -
Truth is ACORN is not the monster you've allowed to be created in your
head!!! Truth is something which you, obviously, cannot comprehend.
ACORN IS NOT GOING AWAY, IN SPITE OF WINGNUT EFFORTS!!! 'n' THAT'S
THE TRUTH!!!-:)
bvallely
> Truth is ACORN is not the monster you've allowed to be created in your
> head!!! Truth is something which you, obviously, cannot comprehend.
> ACORN IS NOT GOING AWAY, IN SPITE OF WINGNUT EFFORTS!!! 'n' THAT'S
> THE TRUTH!!!-:)
Eight separate branches of the crime syndicate willing helped a Pimp
and a Prostitute kidnap 13 year old El Salvadorian girls to be
smuggled into the country, beaten, and be used as sex slaves.
And even THAT isn't enough for you to say "enough".
John Fisher
Which "crime syndicate"???? Please support your claim!!!
Immediately, I'd say "enough" is enough LIES from you"!!!
bvallely
> > Eight separate branches of the crime syndicate willing helped a Pimp
> > and a Prostitute kidnap 13 year old El Salvadorian girls to be
> > smuggled into the country, beaten, and be used as sex slaves.
.
> > And even THAT isn't enough for you to say "enough".
.
> Which "crime syndicate"???? Please support your claim!!!
> Immediately, I'd say "enough" is enough LIES from you"!!!
Clairbear
> On Dec 14, 7:11�pm, Clairbear <cl...@Verizon.net> wrote:
>> John Fisher <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote
>> innews:579c9890-9943-432a-a75c-bb6
> 48a0...@e27g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
So corruuption is here to stay wow you mean Chicago politics is going
nation wide. So I guess like you we should all support and endorse
illegal and unethical practices.
I don't think so then we'd all be just a loonie as you
Clairbear
Watych the videos. stupid. they are self explanatory unless you are a mouth
breathing, short bus riding, window licking congenital idiot
John Fisher
> .
>
> > > Eight separate branches of the crime syndicate willing helped a Pimp
> > > and a Prostitute kidnap 13 year old El Salvadorian girls to be
> > > smuggled into the country, beaten, and be used as sex slaves.
> .
> > > And even THAT isn't enough for you to say "enough".
> .
> > Which "crime syndicate"???? � Please support your claim!!!
> > Immediately, I'd say "enough" is enough LIES from you"!!!
>
C'mon, bvallely, NOT ONE OF THOSE LINKS supports your claim!!! You'll
have to do bettter than that. Have you ever heard the words "THOU
SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY NEIGHBOR"????
John Fisher
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cLAIR, your links don't work!!! If you are referring to the tapes,
and doctored tapes, YES, I've seen them all!!! Take away the editing,
consider the criminality of those who made them, and considering
charges are misleading, I'd say the case does not demean what ACORN is
all about, what it stands for, what good it has done, and what good it
continues to do, despite rightards insanity with regard to the
exemplary organization!!!-:)
bvallely
> On Dec 15, 7:44 pm, bvallely <bvall...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > .
>
> > > > Eight separate branches of the crime syndicate willing helped a Pimp
> > > > and a Prostitute kidnap 13 year old El Salvadorian girls to be
> > > > smuggled into the country, beaten, and be used as sex slaves.
> > .
> > > > And even THAT isn't enough for you to say "enough".
> > .
> > > Which "crime syndicate"???? Please support your claim!!!
> > > Immediately, I'd say "enough" is enough LIES from you"!!!
> >http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US...
.
> C'mon, bvallely, NOT ONE OF THOSE LINKS supports your claim!!! You'll
> have to do bettter than that. Have you ever heard the words "THOU
> SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY NEIGHBOR"????
So, lets do a recap, shall we?
According to you, I wrote a racist rant for no reason whatsoever. I
had never composed anything like the offending post before, or after.
It didn't use my writing style, length, and I don't use racial
preparatives. It wasn't written by me.
The rant was posted under 17 different screen names, mine being only
one. such behavior makes perfect sense when done by a troll with a
grudge against conservatives - it would make no sense for me to do
same.
Whatever happened to your Atheist reliance on the facts? I guess
empirical evidence is only useful when it reinforces your petty
prejudges. The truth (remember the truth?) is that you and your
buddies have found a story you like to attack someone, and you're
sticking to it - facts be damned.
There was a time when I agreed that one didn't have to believe in God
to be moral - but Atheists, like yourself, have reluctantly convinced
me otherwise.
bvallely
Here are the unedited videos.
Of course, being an Atheist, you will choose to ignore the truth.
John Fisher
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> - Show quoted text -
That's a might big ASSUMPTION on your part!!! Why, then do you bear
false witness based on FAULTY ASSUMPTIONS???
John Fisher
>
> Of course, being an Atheist, you will choose to ignore the truth.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
ROFLMAO!!!-:) It was a spoof!!! Turn about's fair play, eh??? That
gal was a wise one, turning the tables and dishing out a dose of
fabrication these TRUE DEGENERATES were trying to pull off on her!!!
This gal broke no laws, the Republican Agents were the ones doing
that!!!-:)
Why do you try to glamorize the behavior of those imposters you
idolize???
Not Sure
> On Dec 13, 12:06 am, Clairbear <cl...@Verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Stile4aly <stile4...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:29fe8636-5102-42b2-993c-
> > 922139cdc...@u36g2000prn.googlegroups.com:
>
> > > On Dec 12, 4:03 pm, bvallely <bvall...@aol.com> wrote:
> > >> Judges are now telling Congress that they MUST fund corrupt
> > >> organizations?
>
> > >> ACORN is toxic, and will destroy the Democrat Party.
>
> > > No, judges are telling Congress that if they believe ACORN has
> > > committed a crime then they must be tried and convicted. They cannot
> > > be punished without due process.
>
> > Why were they funded in the first place? NGOs, especially such blatantly
> > partisan organzations as ACORN, should not funded by OUR government OUR
> > government is not there to fund corruption on the left or the right.
>
> advises people of their right to vote. It does not advise them how to
> vote!!!
Sure it does. Sorry that your favorite dipshit organization was
exposed so easily. Continue crying and sobbing :)
The fact that so many of the oppressed poor, who have not in
> the past known to exercise their rights, are brught into the system,
> enobles the efforts of ACORN. That the oppressed are brought into the
> system, they vote based on the needs to survive and tend to choose the
> party which offers them the best hope for that survival. Wingers
> enjoy oppressing, suppressing, and regressing when it comes to the
> poor. Makes no never mind that they are Democrats, Republicans,
Not Sure
wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:03:09 -0800 (PST), bvallely <bvall...@aol.com> wrote:
> >Judges are now telling Congress that they MUST fund corrupt
> >organizations?
>
> >ACORN is toxic, and will destroy the Democrat Party.
>
> attainder," subliterate stupid asshole maroon?
>
> Why do you rightards despise our Constitution so?
Still can't stand how easily and completely ACORN was discredited, eh?
Continue throwing temper tantrums :)
>
> Now, here, moron, once again is the REALITY that so scares the shit out of
> your WATB conservadolt ass...
>
> From The Hill, 12/11/09:http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/71911-judge-stops-ac...
>
> Judge stops ACORN funding ban
>
> By Eric Zimmermann
>
> A federal judge today issued an injunction preventing the
> implementation of a congressional ban on funding for ACORN.
>
> Judge Nina Gershon concluded that the ban amounted to a "bill of
> attainder" that unfairly singled out ACORN.
>
> "[The plaintiffs] have been singled out by Congress for punishment
> that directly and immediately affects their ability to continue to
> obtain federal funding, in the absence of any judicial, or even
> administrative, process of adjudicating guilt," Gershon wrote in her
> decision.
>
> ---
> Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
> ------
> Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?
>
> http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
> © 1999 by the American Psychological Association
> December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134
>
> Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
> Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments
>
> Justin Kruger and David Dunning
> Department of Psychology
> Cornell University
>
> ABSTRACT:
> ...the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
> on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
> performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
> 12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
bvallely
> ROFLMAO!!!-:) It was a spoof!!! Turn about's fair play, eh??? That
> gal was a wise one, turning the tables and dishing out a dose of
> fabrication these TRUE DEGENERATES were trying to pull off on her!!!
.
You insist there are no unedited video. Once they're show, you try a
different approach.
"They were just kidding?"
.
Are you shitting me? Every john in the world who get's picked up for
solicitation insists that he was "just kidding". A few nights ago on
"Cops", a man claimed that the reason he had his pants around his
ankles while in the back seat of his car is that his belt was loose.
One person making such a claim is stupid enough - we're talk of about
a dozen people in eight different branches. Deal with it, ACORN's
busted.
> This gal broke no laws,>
.
Using federal funds to solicit the corruption of a minor is not only
illegal, it's VERY illegal.
.
>.... the Republican Agents were the ones doing that!!!-:)
.
Really? How many "60 Minutes" on air talent were arrested for video
taping corrupt auto mechanics without their permission? Why is "To
Catch A Predator" allowed on the air? Al Franken forged documents
from Harvard to pretend he reperesented the University to get
conservatives to talk about losing their virginity.
And NOW you're upset about undercover taping?
.
> Why do you try to glamorize the behavior of those imposters you
> idolize???
.
Because they are everything the First Amendment was written to
protect.
bvallely
> That's a might big ASSUMPTION on your part!!! >
Nope - no assumptions whatsoever. You're a bully, an Atheist, and a
liar.
.
> Why, then do you bear false witness based on FAULTY ASSUMPTIONS???
They're not "faluty assumptions". You're a liar, a bully, an Atheist
and a hypocrite.
John Fisher
>
> - Show quoted text -
They are not protected when it comes to the performance of illegal
acts!!!
The individuals in ACORN who were accused of improprieties were
dismissed and no longer work for that organization. If they have
their day in court, it will not be ACORN that is on trial. The fact
that Bush/Cheney/Rice are war criminals, who are subject to arrest if
they touch down on British soil, doesn't mean that everyone who voted
for those Republicans is guilty. By the time those poor suckers wised
up, it was just too late. The fact that some employees acted
improperly, if they really did, does not mean that this well organized
group, which greatly benefits large numbers of citizens, is guilty of
any crime~~~!! Again, the First Amendment does not protect those who
broke the law. ACORN did not break the law!!! The REPUBLICAN
operatives DID BREAK THE LAW!!!
To date, the only thing protecting the criminals of the Bush
Administration (in this country) are the Democrats they so ardently
try to depose. Hopefully, it will come to pass that our courts do try
everyone of the Bush/Cheney/Rice team. Perhaps they should have done
that before they started to try to get health care for every citizen
of this once greater nation.
John Fisher
>
> - Show quoted text -
=:) Now you respond as would a child in 4th grade!!! You have no
basis for such assumptions. Your imagination is working overtime,
just as it is when you bear false witness and find fault with groups
which actually do help people. ACORN does so much good, MUCH MORE
THAN MANY CHURCHES, that I find fault with your faulting ways. Do
some research on the good done by that organization and condemn then
when you know more of what you are trying to talk about. Don't eat
everything you are fed by propagandists galore. Find out for yourself.
Clairbear
> On Dec 15, 8:36�pm, Clairbear <cl...@Verizon.net> wrote:
>> John Fisher <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote
>> innews:cd6ae0d8-3c30-4a58-ab5b-50a
> c563...@g31g2000vbr.googlegroups.com:
If you actually believe the drivel you post your are either the stupidest
person on the usenet or the most useful idiot the left will ever find.
In any case you are at the very least gullible and full-o'-bull.
Clairbear
news:8a5e72d1-2eaa-4777...@o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
> On Dec 16, 1:37锟絧m, John Fisher <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 16, 3:04 pm, bvallely <bvall...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 16, 6:43 am, John Fisher <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > On Dec 15, 8:36 pm, Clairbear <cl...@Verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> > > > John Fisher <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote
>> > > > innews:cd6ae0d8-3c30-4a58-ab
> 5b-50ac...@g31g2000vbr.googlegroups.com:
>> ROFLMAO!!!-:) 锟絀t was a spoof!!! 锟絋urn about's fair play, eh??? 锟絋h
This John Fisher guy is what the lest loves the most, an ignorant,
willingly, useful idiot on the planet. The lie and he swears to it.
bvallely
I'll take an honest child over the crinimal ACORN any day of the week.
.
> You have no
> basis for such assumptions.>
Seventy have been arrested, and we have video of eight branches
helping a pimp and a prostitute to kidnap 13 year old girls to be
beaten and used as sex slaves.
.
> Your imagination is working overtime,
> just as it is when you bear false witness and find fault with groups
> which actually do help people. >
No, they are criminals. They collect money to help the poor, but what
they actually do with the funds is far different.
.
.ACORN does so much good, MUCH MORE
> THAN MANY CHURCHES, that I find fault with your faulting ways. Do
> some research on the good done by that organization and condemn then
> when you know more of what you are trying to talk about. Don't eat
> everything you are fed by propagandists galore. Find out for yourself.
I did.
They're criminals.
John Fisher
>
> - Show quoted text -
Where are the convictions???? "I did", as you say, doesn't mean
didley!!! WHERE is your PROOF of ACORN criminality????
bvallely
> Where are the convictions???? "I did", as you say, doesn't mean
> didley!!! WHERE is your PROOF of ACORN criminality????
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/22/voter.fraud/
ACORN Indicted for Voter Fraud
"Activist group lacks credibility with voters"
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
April 7, 2008
Grain Valley, MO - On April Fools Day, the Association of Community
Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) accused the MoCRI of "fraud,"
trying to play the media and Missouri voters for fools while knowing
full well their own employees had plead guilty to voter fraud. It's
true; federal prosecutors announced eight ACORN employee convictions
the very next day. St. Louis election officials have said they have
had problems with ACORN submissions in past years.
"How can anyone take accusations seriously from a group that has a
record of election fraud, not only in Missouri but around the nation?"
asks Tim Asher, Executive Director of the Missouri Civil Rights
Initiative. "ACORN workers have been convicted of election fraud. By
accusing MoCRI of like behavior they are hoping to divert attention
away from their own record. If they repeat the lie accusing MoCRI
behaving like
John Fisher
> .> Where are the convictions???? � "I did", as you say, doesn't mean
> > didley!!! �WHERE is your PROOF of ACORN criminality????
>
>
> http://www.missouricri.org/
>
> ACORN Indicted for Voter Fraud
> "Activist group lacks credibility with voters"
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> April 7, 2008
>
> Grain Valley, MO - On April Fools Day, the Association of Community
> Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) accused the MoCRI of "fraud,"
> trying to play the media and Missouri voters for fools while knowing
> full well their own employees had plead guilty to voter fraud. It's
> true; federal prosecutors announced eight ACORN employee convictions
> the very next day. St. Louis election officials have said they have
> had problems with ACORN submissions in past years.
>
> "How can anyone take accusations seriously from a group that has a
> record of election fraud, not only in Missouri but around the nation?"
> asks Tim Asher, Executive Director of the Missouri Civil Rights
> Initiative. "ACORN workers have been convicted of election fraud. By
> accusing MoCRI of like behavior they are hoping to divert attention
> away from their own record. If they repeat the lie accusing MoCRI
> behaving like
>
> http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html
Oh, why don't you clean up your own REPUBLICAN voter fraud. If you
believe ACORN, as an organization should be prosecuted because some of
their employees were indicted (not necessarily guilty), do you believe
the Republican Party, as an organization should be criminalized in the
same way????
The fraud which propagandists dwell upon is the fraud which ACORN
itself had reported. Indictments are not convictions!!! Republicans
have done all in their power, throughout the years, to curtail voting
rights of citizens. ACORN has been a boon to those who might not
have understood those rights after long years of having been oppressed
by the rightists of this nation. . Consider, too, the fraud
perpetrated by Republicans that gave us the worst president in the
history of this once greater nation. The beat goes on with so many of
the murdering scum, from the past, who remain powerful in the politics
of this country. ACORN is not hiding in a corner. It will come out
stronger than ever in advancing its goal to have every American go to
the polls to vote. They get the registrations, they don't tell people
HOW to vote. It just happens that the pockets of poverty, which they
reach, vote for what is in the best interest of their selves and their
families. The Republican party offers them very little (NO) hope!!!
There are millions of people who can be brought into the system and
that scares the hell out of Republicans. Republicans lie, they cheat,
they steal, they go to any extreme to spread the gospel of hate based
on whatever they can dream up in their deceitful heads.
Read the Constitution, digest it, and then come back to support your
claim against due process!!! BTW, I betcha the Tea Party is no match
for the truly patriotic ACORN organization!!!-:) What a bunch of
"actors"/"characters" these TMEN are!!!=:)
PHONIES - Good Lord!!! Make sure you have somebody watch your body
when you pass. They'll likely try to steal the gold out of your
teeth!!!!-:) They've been successful in stealing elections and NOW
they reach for more material wealth since the rule of republicans has
diminished ther wealth so severely. Gotta watch out for those greedy
parasites of the Republican right!!! They're ALWAYS wrong!!!
bvallely
> > > > Here are the unedited videos.
> > > >http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/15/fox-news-posts-full-unedited-vi...
.
> > > > Of course, being an Atheist, you will choose to ignore the truth.-
> > > ROFLMAO!!!-:) It was a spoof!!! Turn about's fair play, eh??? That
> > > gal was a wise one, turning the tables and dishing out a dose of
> > > fabrication these TRUE DEGENERATES were trying to pull off on her!!!
.
> > You insist there are no unedited video. Once they're show, you try a
> > different approach.
(crickets)
.
> > "They were just kidding?"
.
> > solicitation insists that he was "just kidding". A few nights ago on
> > "Cops", a man claimed that the reason he had his pants around his
.
> > This is the kind of "defense" reserved for people who are insanely guilty.
.
> > One person making such a claim is stupid enough - we're talk of about
> > a dozen people in eight different branches. Deal with it, ACORN's
> > busted.
(crickets)
.
> > > This gal broke no laws,>
.
> > Using federal funds to solicit the corruption of a minor is not only
> > illegal, it's VERY illegal.
.
.
> > .>.... the Republican Agents ...>
.
You're really quick to scream 'prove it". I got an idea, howzabout
for once in your pathetic life, YOU prove your claim. PROVE that they
were working for the REPUBLICANS.
Here, I'll save some time.
(crickets)
.
>>>were the ones doing that!!!-:)
.
> > Really? How many "60 Minutes" on air talent were arrested for video
> > taping corrupt auto mechanics without their permission? Why is "To
> > Catch A Predator" allowed on the air? Al Franken forged documents
> > from Harvard to pretend he reperesented the University to get
> > conservatives to talk about losing their virginity.
.
> > And NOW you're upset about undercover taping?>
.
(crickets)
.
> > .> Why do you try to glamorize the behavior of those imposters you
> > > idolize???
.
> > Because they are everything the First Amendment was written to
> > protect. If they had taken down Jerry Fawell instead of ACORN, every
.
> They are not protected when it comes to the performance of illegal
> acts!!!
.
The acts weren't illegal. There is no reasonable expectation of
privacy in a government funded workplace. The ACORN workers wrote
down what
.
> The individuals in ACORN who were accused of improprieties were
> dismissed and no longer work for that organization.>
.
......? The fact that they've been fired is now proof of innocent?
Really? So a guy who's been caught red-handed embezzling from a
company can't be prosecuted if he's been fired?
"Your Honor, pay no attention to the three million dollars which
appeared in my clients checking account seven minutes after it was
deleted from the company's. CLEARLY my defendant is innocent - he
was fired."
.
"Oh, well - case dismissed."
> If they have their day in court, it will not be ACORN that is on trial.>
.
Oh, contrare, mon cheri. If this goes to trial, it will be ACORN that
will have a lot of 'splainin' to do. There's a little thing called
"the process of discovery". That means ACORN will have to open their
books, and they're going to have to answer questions.
.
The fact
> that Bush/Cheney/Rice are war criminals,>
.
Prove that they are war criminals.
.
> who are subject to arrest if
> they touch down on British soil, >
.
Prove it.
.
>....doesn't mean that everyone who voted for those Republicans is guilty.>
.
You're one of those panty-sniffers who scour the internet for ANY
Republican, no matter how obsucre, who's had a charge of sexual
harassment leveled against him. Clearly, this is the only way you can
get an erection). You then proudly post their names to discredit all
Republicans.
But, now that the tables are turned, suddenly the rules no longer
apply. Now, you refute guilt by association.
Go back and jerk off to pictures of Bush in a Nazi outfit, you
pervert.
.
> By the time those poor suckers wised up, it was just too late.>
.
These "poor suckers" were chomping at the bit to kidnap 13 year old
girls. To have they kidnapped, stolen from their homes, from their
country, from their language, custom and traditions. To have them
shipped to another country, beaten, and live their lives in a single
house, being used as sex slaves. Their lives would be a series of
rape.
And you're cool with that. Fucking panty sniffer.
Don't tell me these guys are "poor suckers." In a more civilized
time, they would have been horsewhipped, then stoned to death. They
are corrupters of innocence. They are evil.
.
> The fact that some employees acted improperly, >
.
In your mind, chomping at the bit to kidnap 13 year old girls; to
have they kidnapped, stolen from their homes, from their country, from
their language, custom and traditions; to have them shipped to another
country, beaten, and live their lives in a single house, being used as
sex slaves; their lives would be a series of rape - is "acting
improperly".
What is it? You get off on the idea of 13 year old girls getting
beaten and raped? Fucking panty sniffer.
.
>...if they really did,...>
.
We have hours of unedited video proving they did it.
.
>.... does not mean that this well organized group, which greatly benefits large numbers of citizens, is guilty of any crime~~~!! >
.
It's like this - one video tape? Sure, that case could easily be
made. A dozen employees in eight branches? That's a pattern of
corruption - those people were hired because that's the sort of people
the higher ups in ACORN want.
Then there's volumes of voter registration convictions, videos of
ACORN employees breaking into homes and hundreds of other tangles with
the law? ACORN is now a toxic organization.
For the company to survive, the top brass at ACORN must open their
books. Allow FOX News and Rush Limbaugh's people to look through.
Instead, they've circled the wagons, screamed "racist", hired their
own hacks to "investigate" their organization.
This is not the actions of an innocent Board of Directers. This is
Mafia shit.
.
> Again, the First Amendment does not protect those who broke the law.>
.
It protects Journalists from thug government officials who want to
squash free speech. Sadly, the left believes that the First Amendment
is simply for protecting pornography.
.
>ACORN did not break the law!!! >
.
Misuse of government funds? You bet they broke the law - the only
thing that's keeping them out of jail is the most corrupt AC in US
history.
.
> The REPUBLICAN operatives.
.
Prove they were Republicans operatives.
.
> DID BREAK THE LAW!!!
.
They did not such thing.
.
> To date, the only thing protecting the criminals of the Bush
> Administration (in this country) are the Democrats they so ardently
> try to depose. Hopefully, it will come to pass that our courts do try
> everyone of the Bush/Cheney/Rice team. Perhaps they should have done
> that before they started to try to get health care for every citizen
> of this once greater nation.
.
Yeah, here's the thing.
Right now, the percentage of Americans who wish Bush was still
President has hit 44%. Rasmussen Reports has had Obama's Job Approval
numbers as low as 44%. Yes, there are polls that put Bush lower, and
Obama higher - but the point is that all polls agree on the direction
- down with Obama, up with Bush.
Sorry, most Americans don't hate Bush anymore. I'm sure you and your
friend does, but the rest of America? Not so much.
There's not going to be a mass arrest of Bush officials - to do so
would create a precedence Obama does not want on the books. His is the
most corrupt administration in US history, and he could no more stand
up to close inspection than ACORN.
bvallely
> Oh, why don't you clean up your own REPUBLICAN voter fraud.>
For the same reasons I don't hunt unicorns - they don't exist.
.
> If you
> believe ACORN, as an organization should be prosecuted because some of
> their employees were indicted (not necessarily guilty), do you believe
> the Republican Party, as an organization should be criminalized in the
> same way????
Nope - every claim of fraud I've ever heard leveled against the
Republicans have been disproven.
The evidence against ACORN is solid, and has lead to convictions.
.
> The fraud which propagandists dwell upon is the fraud which ACORN
> itself had reported. Indictments are not convictions!!! Republicans
> have done all in their power, throughout the years, to curtail voting
> rights of citizens. >
.
CAN YOU, FOR ONCE IN YOUR PATHTIC LIFE, ACTUALLY PROVE AN INSANE CLAIM
YOU MAKE. Why don't you live up to the same standards you demand of
others?
.
> ACORN has been a boon to those who might not
> have understood those rights after long years of having been oppressed
> by the rightists of this nation. . >
.
ACORN has exploited the poor and weak to advance the Democrats
agenda. Tell me, what cities have ACORN made better?
John Fisher
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
VI. FINDINGS: THE VIDEOS -
http://www.proskauer.com/files/uploads/report2.pdf
Utilizing a deliberatively planned, sting-like operation, James
O’Keefe and Hannah Giles (collectively, the “videographers”) either
separately or together visited eight ACORN or ACORN Housing offices
during July and August 2009, pretending to seek assistance with
illegal matters, including prostitution and human trafficking. In each
instance, Mr. O’Keefe or Ms.Giles wore a hidden camera, the presence
of which was not disclosed to ACORN or ACORNHousing employees. The
videographers visited ACORN or ACORN Housing offices inBaltimore,
Brooklyn, Los Angeles, Miami, Philadelphia, San Bernardino, San Diego
andWashington D.C.
The publicly released versions of the videos show ACORN or ACORN
Housing
employees apparently willing to offer ways to effect illegal schemes
involving tax advice, misuse of public funds and illegal trafficking
in children, and feed the impression that ACORN believes it is above
the law. The videos were distributed on or about September 10, 2009 on
BigGovernment.com, triggering a period of intense coverage and
commentary in traditional andsocial media.
The unedited videos have never been made public. The videos that have
been released
appear to have been edited, in some cases substantially, including the
insertion of a substitute voiceover for significant portions of Mr.
O’Keefe’s and Ms.Giles’s comments, which makes it difficult to
determine the questions to which ACORN employees are responding. A
comparison of the publicly available transcripts2 to the released
videos confirms that large portions of the original video have been
omitted from the released versions. To date, the videographers have
declined or ignored our interview requests.
We have described what we have been told were the specific
circumstances of each visit
in narratives attached hereto as Appendix D, which stem from
interviews of ACORN employees,many of whom did not have direct
knowledge of the events but who spoke with the individuals captured on
video, or with employees who had been approached by the videographers.
We did not interview the employees captured on video, since we were
satisfied there was no question that the visits occurred and the
comments were made. In addition, we could not offer them – or our
notes – confidentiality or privileged communication status. Hence, all
our knowledge about the videos is largely circumstantial and
secondhand. It is important to note that none of the ACORN offices
visited has any written record of the visits, nor did ACORN know that
it was a
systematic campaign until the videos aired.
Based on our investigation, we offer the following comments:
1. Three of the six videos – Brooklyn, Los Angeles and Washington,
D.C. – involved only ACORN Housing employees, over which ACORN has no
control.
2. The released videos offer no evidence of a pattern of illegal
conduct byACORN employees. In fact, out of the three videos involving
ACORN employees, at least two involve extenuating circumstances.
2 For purposes of comparing the video transcripts to the released
videos, note that the videographers have posted what they allege are
the complete transcripts at www.biggovernment.com.
3. The ACORN employees captured on video were members or part-time
staff. They were not organizers or supervisory level employees.
4. None of the individuals captured on video consented to being video-
or audiotaped,
and four of the states where the videos were recorded appear to
prohibit such taping without consent.
5. In offices where the videographers spoke with organizers, videos
were not released.
6. Police reports regarding the video incidents were filed in
Philadelphia and San Diego.
7. The released videos were edited or manipulated by the videographers
and/or
individual(s) acting on their behalf.
8. There is no evidence that any action, illegal or otherwise, was
taken by ACORN employees on behalf of the videographers.
9. Experienced forensic investigators would be able to determine the
extent to which the released videos have been manipulated to distort,
rather than merely shape, the facts and the conversations, as ACORN
alleges.
Viewed from the perspective of managerial oversight, the videos stand
as a symbol of
ACORN’s organizational and supervisory weakness. The disparate ways in
which ACORN staff handled the videographers’ visits highlight the
organization’s failure to deploy best practices at the grassroots
level to ensure proper screening and intake processes, supervision and
training. In addition, ACORN itself failed to adequately investigate
the totality of the circumstances of the visits prior to taking action
against its own employees and, hence, was in no position to defend
itself.
bvallely
> On Dec 17, 8:31 pm, bvallely <bvall...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 17, 1:31 pm, John Fisher <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 17, 2:16 pm, bvallely <bvall...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > .> Where are the convictions???? "I did", as you say, doesn't mean
> > > > > didley!!! WHERE is your PROOF of ACORN criminality????
>
> > > > ..http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/22/voter.fraud/
>
> > > >http://www.missouricri.org/
>
> > > > ACORN Indicted for Voter Fraud
> > > > "Activist group lacks credibility with voters"
> > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > > > April 7, 2008
Who paid for this "accounting"?
ACORN.
Who wrote it?
A strong ACORN supporter.
Who believes it?
Idiots.
John Fisher
>
> - Show quoted text -
Why are you so disturbed by the truth which exonerates ACORN!! It's
such a noble organization!!! There's likely less immorality in that
organization than there is in your church and, certainly, it is far
more moral than your political party!!
Recognize the TRUTH, bvallely!!! It will set you free!!!-:)
bvallely
> On Dec 18, 1:50 pm, bvallely <bvall...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 18, 10:27 am, John Fisher <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 17, 8:31 pm, bvallely <bvall...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Dec 17, 1:31 pm, John Fisher <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Dec 17, 2:16 pm, bvallely <bvall...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > .> Where are the convictions???? "I did", as you say, doesn't mean
> > > > > > > didley!!! WHERE is your PROOF of ACORN criminality????
>
> > > > > > ..http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/22/voter.fraud/
>
> > > > > >http://www.missouricri.org/
>
> > > > > > ACORN Indicted for Voter Fraud
> > > > > > "Activist group lacks credibility with voters"
> > > > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > > > > > April 7, 2008
>
> > .
> > Who paid for this "accounting"?
>
> > ACORN.
>
> > Who wrote it?
>
> > A strong ACORN supporter.
>
> > Who believes it?
>
> > Idiots.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Why are you so disturbed by the truth which exonerates ACORN!!
Because it was paid for by ACORN. Why should I take ACORN's word that
they're not corrupt?
John Fisher
>
> - Show quoted text -
Why do you side with "crooks" 'n' "LIARS"???
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/why-wont-media-address-real-issue-aco
C'mon back when ACORN is tried and convicted!!! 'til then, all you
have is what the wingnuts would have people believe!!! They know
nothing more than to lie, edit, and produce what they would like you
to believe. As I said before, bvallely, "RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH" - SPEAK
NO EVIL!!! STOP BEARING FALSE WITNESS!!! YOU CAN GO TO HELL FOR
LYING!!!-:) Get it out of your system and 'THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU
FREE"!!!=:)
bvallely
>
> C'mon back when ACORN is tried and convicted!!!
The Acorn Indictments
A union-backed outfit faces charges of election fraud.
Friday, November 3, 2006 12:01 A.M. EST
So, less than a week before the midterm elections, four workers from
Acorn, the liberal activist group that has registered millions of
voters, have been indicted by a federal grand jury for submitting
false voter registration forms to the Kansas City, Missouri, election
board. But hey, who needs voter ID laws?
We wish this were an aberration, but allegations of fraud have tainted
Acorn voter drives across the country. Acorn workers have been
convicted in Wisconsin and Colorado, and investigations are still
under way in Ohio, Tennessee and Pennsylvania.
The good news for anyone who cares about voter integrity is that the
Justice Department finally seems poised to connect these dots instead
of dismissing such revelations as the work of a few yahoos. After the
federal indictments were handed up in Kansas City this week, the U.S.
Attorney's office said in a statement that "This national
investigation is very much ongoing."
Let's hope so. Acorn officials bill themselves as nonpartisan
community organizers merely interested in giving a voice to minorities
and the poor. In reality, Acorn is a union-backed, multimillion-dollar
outfit that uses intimidation and other tactics to push for higher
minimum wage mandates and to trash Wal-Mart and other non-union
companies.
Operating in at least 38 states (as well as Canada and Mexico), Acorn
pushes a highly partisan agenda, and its organizers are best
understood as shock troops for the AFL-CIO and even the Democratic
Party. As part of the Fannie Mae reform bill, House Democrats pushed
an "affordable housing trust fund" designed to use Fannie Mae and
Freddie Mac profits to subsidize Acorn, among other groups. A version
of this trust fund actually passed the Republican House and will
surely be on the agenda again next year.
Acorn and its affiliates have pulled some real stunts in recent years.
In Ohio in 2004, a worker for one affiliate was given crack cocaine in
exchange for fraudulent registrations that included underage voters,
dead voters and pillars of the community named Mary Poppins, Dick
Tracy and Jive Turkey. During a Congressional hearing in Ohio in the
aftermath of the 2004 election, officials from several counties in the
state explained Acorn's practice of dumping thousands of registration
forms in their lap on the submission deadline, even though the forms
had been collected months earlier.
"You have to wonder what's the point of that, if not to overwhelm the
system and get phony registrations on the voter rolls," says Thor
Hearne of the American Center for Voting Rights, who also testified at
the hearing. "These were Democratic officials saying that they felt
their election system in Ohio was under assault by these kinds of
efforts to game the system."
Given this history, it's not surprising that Acorn is so hostile to
voter identification laws and other efforts to ensure fairness and
accuracy at the polls. In Missouri last month, the state Supreme Court
held that a photo ID requirement to vote was overly burdensome and a
violation of the state constitution. Acorn was behind the original
suit challenging the statute, and it has brought similar challenges in
several other states, including Ohio.
A recent Pew Research Center survey found that blacks today are almost
twice as likely as they were in 2004 to say they have little or no
confidence in the voting system. Such a finding would seem like a
powerful argument for voter ID laws, which consistently poll well
among people of all races and incomes and would increase confidence in
the voting process. Of course, voter ID laws would also cut down on
fraud, which, judging from the latest indictments, would put a real
crimp in Acorn's style.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009189
.
Any other softballs you'd like knocked out of the park?
bvallely
> > > >http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/15/fox-news-posts-full-unedited-vi...
.
> > > > Of course, being an Atheist, you will choose to ignore the truth.-
> > > ROFLMAO!!!-:) It was a spoof!!! Turn about's fair play, eh??? That
> > > gal was a wise one, turning the tables and dishing out a dose of
> > > fabrication these TRUE DEGENERATES were trying to pull off on her!!!
.
> > You insist there are no unedited video. Once they're show, you try a
> > different approach.
.
(crickets)
.
> > "They were just kidding?"
.
> > Are you shitting me? Every john in the world who gets picked up for
> > solicitation insists that he was "just kidding". A few nights ago on
> > "Cops", a man claimed that the reason he had his pants around his
> > ankles while in the back seat of his car with a hooker is that his belt was loose.
.
> > This is the kind of "defense" reserved for people who are insanely guilty.
.
> > One person making such a claim is stupid enough - we're talk of about
> > a dozen people in eight different branches. Deal with it, ACORN's
> > busted.
.
(crickets)
.
> > > This gal broke no laws,>
.
> > Using federal funds to solicit the corruption of a minor is not only
> > illegal, it's VERY illegal.
.
(crickets)
.
> > .>.... the Republican Agents ...>
.
You're really quick to scream 'prove it". I got an idea, howzabout
for once in your pathetic life, YOU prove your claim. PROVE that they
were working for the REPUBLICANS.
Here, I'll save some time.
(crickets)
.
>>>were the ones doing that!!!-:)
.
> > Really? How many "60 Minutes" on air talent were arrested for video
> > taping corrupt auto mechanics without their permission? Why is "To
> > Catch A Predator" allowed on the air? Al Franken forged documents
> > from Harvard to pretend he reperesented the University to get
> > conservatives to talk about losing their virginity.
.
> > And NOW you're upset about undercover taping?>
.
(crickets)
.
> > .> Why do you try to glamorize the behavior of those imposters you
> > > idolize???
.
> > Because they are everything the First Amendment was written to
> > protect. If they had taken down Jerry Fawell instead of ACORN, every
.
> They are not protected when it comes to the performance of illegal
> acts!!!
.
The acts weren't illegal. There is no reasonable expectation of
privacy in a government funded workplace. The ACORN workers wrote
down what
.
> The individuals in ACORN who were accused of improprieties were
> dismissed and no longer work for that organization.>
.
......? The fact that they've been fired is now proof of innocent?
Really? So a guy who's been caught red-handed embezzling from a
company can't be prosecuted if he's been fired?
"Your Honor, pay no attention to the three million dollars which
appeared in my clients checking account seven minutes after it was
deleted from the company's. CLEARLY my defendant is innocent - he
was fired."
.
"Oh, well - case dismissed."
> If they have their day in court, it will not be ACORN that is on trial.>
.
Oh, contrare, mon cheri. If this goes to trial, it will be ACORN that
will have a lot of 'splainin' to do. There's a little thing called
"the process of discovery". That means ACORN will have to open their
books, and they're going to have to answer questions.
.
The fact
> that Bush/Cheney/Rice are war criminals,>
.
Prove that they are war criminals.
.
> who are subject to arrest if
> they touch down on British soil, >
.
Prove it.
.
>....doesn't mean that everyone who voted for those Republicans is guilty.>
.
You're one of those panty-sniffers who scour the internet for ANY
Republican, no matter how obsucre, who's had a charge of sexual
harassment leveled against him. Clearly, this is the only way you can
get an erection). You then proudly post their names to discredit all
Republicans.
But, now that the tables are turned, suddenly the rules no longer
apply. Now, you refute guilt by association.
Go back and jerk off to pictures of Bush in a Nazi outfit, you
pervert.
.
> By the time those poor suckers wised up, it was just too late.>
.
These "poor suckers" were chomping at the bit to kidnap 13 year old
girls. To have they kidnapped, stolen from their homes, from their
country, from their language, custom and traditions. To have them
shipped to another country, beaten, and live their lives in a single
house, being used as sex slaves. Their lives would be a series of
rape.
And you're cool with that. Fucking panty sniffer.
Don't tell me these guys are "poor suckers." In a more civilized
time, they would have been horsewhipped, then stoned to death. They
are corrupters of innocence. They are evil.
.
> The fact that some employees acted improperly, >
.
> Again, the First Amendment does not protect those who broke the law.>
.
It protects Journalists from thug government officials who want to
squash free speech. Sadly, the left believes that the First Amendment
is simply for protecting pornography.
.
>ACORN did not break the law!!! >
.
Misuse of government funds? You bet they broke the law - the only
thing that's keeping them out of jail is the most corrupt AC in US
history.
.
> The REPUBLICAN operatives.
.
Prove they were Republicans operatives.
.
> DID BREAK THE LAW!!!
.
They did not such thing.
.
> To date, the only thing protecting the criminals of the Bush
> Administration (in this country) are the Democrats they so ardently
> try to depose. Hopefully, it will come to pass that our courts do try
> everyone of the Bush/Cheney/Rice team. Perhaps they should have done
> that before they started to try to get health care for every citizen
> of this once greater nation.
.
John Fisher
>
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Opinions of the right don't vary!!! After all, they are misled into
believing what they are told instead of relying on reality. It is the
object of wingnut "opinion" groups to discredit that which is quite
the truth something LIARS cannot comprehend!!!-:_
bvallely
> Opinions of the right don't vary!!! After all, they are misled into
> believing what they are told instead of relying on reality. It is the
> object of wingnut "opinion" groups to discredit that which is quite
> the truth something LIARS cannot comprehend!!!-:_
So, you don't accept the Wall Street Journal as a valid source?
OK, stay stupid.
John Fisher
It's ALL in your head, b!!! BTW, crickets are bugs!!! It appears
that you've got just too many of them up your behind 'n' buzzing
around inyour head!!!-:) Bush 'n' his crowd will have to be very
careful about the countries they enter in the future. So many of them
are subject to arrest, and prosecution, for the crimes they have
committed against humanity.
There are still efforts, in this country, to have the Bush/Cheney/Rice
team prosecuted. In their favor, they have a merciful President who
has not pursued the matter.
ACORN has long been a target of REPUBLICAN OPERATIVES:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Voter-Registration-Group-A-by-Jason-Leopold-081008-972.html
'N' thinking about Republican operatives, and voter fraud, have a
gander:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/22/uselections2008-republicans
Grab hold of some truths as you campaign based on what the rightards
drum into your head with all those crickets/bugs!!!!
John Fisher
>
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Any vehicle owned and operated by Rupert Murdock is one which is used
to promote ignoble interests which are not in the best interest of
this once greater nation!!! (mnsvho) He's not to be trusted when it
comes to the interests of the masses in this country (even the
world)!!! Now get ready for his kind of censorship which could well
impact on our conversations.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/nov/09/murdoch-google
Do yourself a favor and google more on this degenerate foreigner while
its still available!!!-:) While your at it check out the Times and
Moon!!! He's another foreign hero upon whom the right relies.
I would ask you WHY DO YOU ACCEPT THE WALL STREET JOURNAL AS A VALID
SOURCE????
bvallely
> On Dec 18, 4:47 pm, bvallely <bvall...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > > > > Here are the unedited videos.
> > .
> > > > > >http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/15/fox-news-posts-full-unedited-vi...
> > .
> > > > > > Of course, being an Atheist, you will choose to ignore the truth.-
> > .
> > > > > ROFLMAO!!!-:) It was a spoof!!! Turn about's fair play, eh??? That
> > > > > gal was a wise one, turning the tables and dishing out a dose of
> > > > > fabrication these TRUE DEGENERATES were trying to pull off on her!!!
.
> > > > You insist there are no unedited video. Once they're show, you try a
> > > > different approach.
> > > (crickets)
.
(more crickets)
.
> > > > "They were just kidding?"
.
> > > > Are you shitting me? Every john in the world who gets picked up for
> > > > solicitation insists that he was "just kidding". A few nights ago on
> > > > "Cops", a man claimed that the reason he had his pants around his
> > > > ankles while in the back seat of his car with a hooker is that his belt was loose.
.
> > > > This is the kind of "defense" reserved for people who are insanely guilty.
.
> > > > One person making such a claim is stupid enough - we're talk of about
> > > > a dozen people in eight different branches. Deal with it, ACORN's
> > > > busted.
.
> > (crickets)
.
(more crickets)
.
> > > > > This gal broke no laws,>
.
> > > > Using federal funds to solicit the corruption of a minor is not only
> > > > illegal, it's VERY illegal.
.
> > (crickets)
.
(more crickets)
.
> > > > .>.... the Republican Agents ...>
.
> > You're really quick to scream 'prove it". I got an idea, howzabout
> > for once in your pathetic life, YOU prove your claim. PROVE that they
> > were working for the REPUBLICANS.
.
> > Here, I'll save some time.
.
> > (crickets)
.
(LOUDER crickets)
.
> > >>>were the ones doing that!!!-:)
.
> > > > Really? How many "60 Minutes" on air talent were arrested for video
> > > > taping corrupt auto mechanics without their permission? Why is "To
> > > > Catch A Predator" allowed on the air? Al Franken forged documents
> > > > from Harvard to pretend he represented the University to get
> > > > conservatives to talk about losing their virginity.
.
> > > > And NOW you're upset about undercover taping?>
.
> > (crickets)
.
> > > > .> Why do you try to glamorize the behavior of those imposters you
> > > > > idolize???
.
> > > > Because they are everything the First Amendment was written to
> > > > protect. If they had taken down Jerry Fawell instead of ACORN,
> > > > every Hollywood starlet would currently be screaming "I can TOO
> > > > play a twenty year old pretending to be a hooker."
.
> > > They are not protected when it comes to the performance of illegal
> > > acts!!!
.
But what they did is not illegal.
.
> > The acts weren't illegal. There is no reasonable expectation of
> > privacy in a government funded workplace. The ACORN workers wrote
> > down what what the journalists wrote - that by itself destroys any
> > resonable expectation of privacy.
.
> > > The individuals in ACORN who were accused of improprieties were
> > > dismissed and no longer work for that organization.>
.
> > ......? The fact that they've been fired is now proof of innocent?
> > Really? So a guy who's been caught red-handed embezzling from a
> > company can't be prosecuted if he's been fired?
.
> > "Your Honor, pay no attention to the three million dollars which
> > appeared in my clients checking account seven minutes after it was
> > deleted from the company's. CLEARLY my defendant is innocent - he
> > was fired."
.
> > "Oh, well - case dismissed."
.
(crickets)
.
> > > If they have their day in court, it will not be ACORN that is on trial.>
.
> > Oh, contrare, mon cheri. If this goes to trial, it will be ACORN that
> > will have a lot of 'splainin' to do. There's a little thing called
> > "the process of discovery". That means ACORN will have to open their
> > books, and they're going to have to answer questions.
.
(crickets)
.
> > > that Bush/Cheney/Rice are war criminals,>
.
> > Prove that they are war criminals.
.
(crickets)
.
> > > who are subject to arrest if
> > > they touch down on British soil, >
.
> > Prove it.
.
(crickets)
.
> > >....doesn't mean that everyone who voted for those Republicans is guilty.>
.
> > You're one of those panty-sniffers who scour the internet for ANY
> > Republican, no matter how obscure, who's had a charge of sexual
> > harassment leveled against him. Clearly, this is the only way you can
> > get an erection). You then proudly post their names to discredit all
> > Republicans.
.
> > But, now that the tables are turned, suddenly the rules no longer
> > apply. Now, you refute guilt by association.
.
> > Go back and jerk off to pictures of Bush in a Nazi outfit, you
> > pervert.
.
(crickets)
.
> > > By the time those poor suckers wised up, it was just too late.>
.
> > These "poor suckers" were chomping at the bit to kidnap 13 year old
> > girls. To have they kidnapped, stolen from their homes, from their
> > country, from their language, custom and traditions. To have them
> > shipped to another country, beaten, and live their lives in a single
> > house, being used as sex slaves. Their lives would be a series of
> > rape.
.
(crickets)
.
> > And you're cool with that. Fucking panty sniffer.
.
(crickets)
.
>
> > Don't tell me these guys are "poor suckers." In a more civilized
> > time, they would have been horsewhipped, then stoned to death. They
> > are corrupters of innocence. They are evil.
.
(crickets)
.
> > > The fact that some employees acted improperly, >
.
> > In your mind, chomping at the bit to kidnap 13 year old girls; to
> > have they kidnapped, stolen from their homes, from their country, from
> > their language, custom and traditions; to have them shipped to another
> > country, beaten, and live their lives in a single house, being used as
> > sex slaves; their lives would be a series of rape - is "acting
> > improperly".
.
> > What is it? You get off on the idea of 13 year old girls getting
> > beaten and raped? Fucking panty sniffer.
.
(crickets)
.
> > >...if they really did,...>
.
> > We have hours of unedited video proving they did it.
.
(crickets)
.
> > >.... does not mean that this well organized group, which greatly benefits large numbers of citizens, is guilty of any crime~~~!! >
.
> > It's like this - one video tape? Sure, that case could easily be
> > made. A dozen employees in eight branches? That's a pattern of
> > corruption - those people were hired because that's the sort of people
> > the higher ups in ACORN want.
.
(crickets)
.
> > Then there's volumes of voter registration convictions, videos of
> > ACORN employees breaking into homes and hundreds of other tangles with
> > the law? ACORN is now a toxic organization.
.
(crickets)
.
> > For the company to survive, the top brass at ACORN must open their
> > books. Allow FOX News and Rush Limbaugh's people to look through.
> > Instead, they've circled the wagons, screamed "racist", hired their
> > own hacks to "investigate" their organization.
.
(crickets)
.
> > This is not the actions of an innocent Board of Directers. This is
> > Mafia shit.
.
(crickets)
.
> > > Again, the First Amendment does not protect those who broke the law.>
..
> > It protects Journalists from thug government officials who want to
> > squash free speech. Sadly, the left believes that the First Amendment
> > is simply for protecting pornography.
.
(crickets)
.
> > >ACORN did not break the law!!! >
.
> > Misuse of government funds? You bet they broke the law - the only
> > thing that's keeping them out of jail is the most corrupt AC in US
> > history.
.
(crickets)
.
> > > The REPUBLICAN operatives.
.
> > Prove they were Republicans operatives.
.
(crickets)
.
> > > DID BREAK THE LAW!!!
.
> > They did not such thing.
.
(crickets)
.
> > > To date, the only thing protecting the criminals of the Bush
> > > Administration (in this country) are the Democrats they so ardently
> > > try to depose. Hopefully, it will come to pass that our courts do try
> > > everyone of the Bush/Cheney/Rice team. Perhaps they should have done
> > > that before they started to try to get health care for every citizen
> > > of this once greater nation.
.
> > Yeah, here's the thing.
.
> > Right now, the percentage of Americans who wish Bush was still
> > President has hit 44%. Rasmussen Reports has had Obama's Job Approval
> > numbers as low as 44%. Yes, there are polls that put Bush lower, and
> > Obama higher - but the point is that all polls agree on the direction
> > - down with Obama, up with Bush.
.
> > Sorry, most Americans don't hate Bush anymore. I'm sure you and your
> > friend does, but the rest of America? Not so much.
.
(crickets)
.
> > There's not going to be a mass arrest of Bush officials - to do so
> > would create a precedence Obama does not want on the books. His is the
> > most corrupt administration in US history, and he could no more stand
> > up to close inspection than ACORN.
.
(crickets)
.
> It's ALL in your head, b!!! BTW, crickets are bugs!!! >
.
In Usenet, "(crickets)" are used to represent silence when a poster
refuses to address a direct question or challenge. It's a convient
way to point out that you've nothing of value to say.
.
> Bush 'n' his crowd will have to be very
> careful about the countries they enter in the future. So many of them
> are subject to arrest, and prosecution, for the crimes they have
> committed against humanity.
.
Prove it.
Here, let me save some time:
(crickets)
.
> There are still efforts, in this country, to have the Bush/Cheney/Rice
> team prosecuted. In their favor, they have a merciful President who
> has not pursued the matter.
.
That, and the inconvenient truth that he's pretty much continued
Bush's war politices.
.
> ACORN has long been a target of REPUBLICAN OPERATIVES:
.
> http://www.opednews.com/articles/Voter-Registration-Group-A-by-Jason-...
.
And Joe the Plumber has been a target for Democrats. Your point?
.
> 'N' thinking about Republican operatives, and voter fraud, have a
> gander:
.
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/22/uselections2008-republicans
.
> Grab hold of some truths as you campaign based on what the rightards
> drum into your head with all those crickets/bugs!!!!
.
You have got to be shitting me. A single Republican was arrested for
registering himself at two different address? THAT'S your big gun?
THAT'S what you're using to tarnish the entire Republican Party? We
have solid evidence of ACORN registering tens of thousands of
imaginary people; of breaking into homes; of helping pimps kidnap
children - and you're cool with all of the above. But let a
Repubilcan fill out a a form wrong - and cheese and crackers.
art clemons
> A recent Pew Research Center survey found that blacks today are almost
> twice as likely as they were in 2004 to say they have little or no
> confidence in the voting system. Such a finding would seem like a
> powerful argument for voter ID laws, which consistently poll well
> among people of all races and incomes and would increase confidence in
> the voting process. Of course, voter ID laws would also cut down on
> fraud, which, judging from the latest indictments, would put a real
> crimp in Acorn's style.
Supposedly in most states, one has to have ID when first registering or when
first voting. Besides if you check, you'll discover that absentee voting is
the form of voting most subject to fraud.
I also strongly suggest that African-Americans losing faith in the voting
process has nothing to do with the possibility of fraud, but rather the
results gotten from politicians.
> http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009189
Uh did you notice that this "proof" is from 2006 in November.
.
> Any other softballs you'd like knocked out of the park?
I think you struck out, maybe you should switch to whiffle ball!
John Fisher
You're getting to be quite boring!!! Given to LYING and exageration
about ACORN registering tens of thousands of "imaginary" people!!!
How many of those people voted??? Don't you realize that if there
were any such conditon, it was ACORN itself which reported them.
Joe, the plumber, (A LIAR, BTW) was an agent of the Republicans.
ACORN is an honorable organization!!-:) We can't say the same about
the Republican organization. You are doing that which you accuse me
of doing when I pointed to a single issue of corruption!!! I suggest,
you may not have it both ways!!-:) It appears that you agree with the
point being made that ACORN has been the target of Republicans. I've
made my point and wish to thank you for your support!!! Now, if you
discover that ACORN is prosecuted, and found guilty, c'mon back,
apologize for yourself and the creeps who motivate your spreading
their LIES!!!-:) BTW, 40% of those registered by ACORN, were
Republican!!! I wonder if the registrations in question were those of
Republicans by Republican employees???-:)
People who live in glass houses (REPUBLICANS), should they be throwing
stones???
John Fisher
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/project_vote/2009/06/...
John Fisher
Living in Glass Houses: The GOP's Own Man is Convicted of Voter
Registration Fraud
June 18, 2009, 3:16PM
"Cross-posted at Project Vote's Voting Matters Blog
By Michael McDunnah
The McCain-Palin campaign and the Republican National Committee (RNC)
spent the better part of the fall screaming about alleged "voter
registration fraud," and to this day the GOP and the right-wing media
machine continue to raise the specter of voter registration
shenanigans that are somehow undermining the integrity of American
elections. Now, after months of reckless invective and fruitless
investigations, incontrovertible facts have been admitted in court,
and someone has finally been convicted of voter registration fraud.
Fraud did take place in the 2008 election--conducted for, and paid for
by, the Republican Party.
The Los Angeles Times reported Tuesday evening that Mark Anthony
Jacoby, owner of a for-profit group called Young Political Majors
(YPM), pled guilty to voter registration fraud in Los Angeles. Brad
Freidman of the BradBlog has been keeping tabs on Jacoby for months,
and wrote yesterday:
"Jacoby and Young Political Majors were hired by the California
Republican Party to head up their voter registration efforts in the
state. Jacoby had been arrested for Voter Registration Fraud last
October, smack dab during the media's orgasmic heights of last year's
phony GOP ACORN "Voter Fraud" hoax, even as Fox "News" (and the other
news outlets who similarly fell for the scam) were going wall-to-wall
with their unsupported insinuations about voter fraud by ACORN,
Democrats and Obama."
Jacoby's YPM firm has been the go-to operation for GOP registration
and petition drives in several states. In 2008 the California
Republican Party hired YPM to register tens of thousands of voters,
paying $7-12 for every Californian they registered as a member of the
GOP, according to the Los Angeles Times last fall. "Jacoby's
arrest ...came after dozens of voters said they were duped into
registering as Republicans by people employed by YPM. The voters said
YPM workers tricked them by saying they were signing a petition to
toughen penalties against child molesters."
According to the Times, "YPM has been accused of using bait-and-switch
tactics across the country. Election officials and lawmakers have
launched investigations into the activities of YPM workers in Florida
and Massachusetts. In Arizona, the firm was recently a defendant in a
civil rights
lawsuit." (In what was perhaps an attempt to define "irony" for the
press, the state GOP issued a statement last fall calling the charges
against Jacoby "politically motivated.")
Jacoby pled guilty Tuesday to personally lying on his voter
registration forms to register at phony addresses in order to collect
petitions. (California law requires petitioners to be qualified
voters.) The Associated Press reports that, according to the District
Attorney's Office, "two felony counts of perjury and one felony count
of voter registration fraud were dismissed under the deal." Jacoby was
sentenced to three-years probation and 30-days of community service.
Clearly, Jacoby's conviction and sentence amount to a slap on the
wrist, and, if the widespread allegations of YPM's reprehensible
tactics on behalf of the Republican Party are true, further
investigation and prosecution is needed. If all the partisan pressure
they've brought to bear to pursue baseless allegations of voter
registration fraud elsewhere was anything more than political
grandstanding, the GOP leaders should clearly turn their attention to
putting their own house in order"
art clemons
>> Uh did you notice that this "proof" is from 2006 in November.
> .
> Yes? And?
Uh do you know what the outcome of the charges was? Remember you're
discussing CHARGES.
> ACORN has been corrupt for years.
>
> Want more recent?
>
> Hereyagoes.....
>
> AG announces voter fraud conviction in Hale County, AL PDF
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> Written by WTVY.com
> Wednesday, 02 September 2009 07:11
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> (MONTGOMERY)--Attorney General Troy King announced the conviction
> yesterday of Rosie Lyles for voter fraud in Hale County Circuit Court.
>
> She was sentenced to 12 months, which was suspended. Lyles was placed
> on probation for two years, during which she is prohibited from
> participating in any absentee voting or voter registration activity.
> She was also assessed approximately $400 in court costs.
>
> Specifically, Lyles pleaded guilty to criminal possession of a forged
> instrument in the third degree?a forged affidavit of an absentee voter
> ?with intent to defraud.
>
> http://www.wtvynews4.com/news/headlines/56646922.html
So how does one individual being convicted of said crime prove that ACORN is
guilty? Why wasn't Acorn charged and convicted or forced to plead guilty?
You're trying to equate the actions of individuals with their own agenda
with that of an organization. If there were actually proof of criminal
intent on the part of the Acorn entity, I'm sure that the execs and
organization would have been indicted by now since Acorn is a favorite hobby
horse of those with short memories of things like republican operatives
arranging war-dialing phones of the Democratic Party in NH.
bvallely
Except that I've produced several links that proved my point.
.
> How many of those people voted??? >
Who cares? Falsifying voter registration is a crime, in and of
itself.
.
> Don't you realize that if there were any such conditon,>
No, there's many of those conditions, in 11 states.
.
> it was ACORN itself which reported them.>
Please provide a link showing ACORN reporting fraud in their own
organization, and put it right here -------------------------------->
.
Here, let me save some time: (crickets)
.
>
.
Prove it.
.
Here, let me save some time: (crickets)
.
> was an agent of the Republicans.>
.
Prove it.
.
Here, let me save some time: (crickets)
.
> ACORN is an honorable organization!!-:) >
.
You find kidnapping 13 year old girls to be beaten and used as sex
slaves "honorable"? You're the one who has to stand before God one day
and defend that belief, my friend, not me.
.
> We can't say the same about the Republican organization.>
.
Yes, we can't say that the Republicans support raping children.
.
> You are doing that which you accuse me of doing when I pointed to a single issue of corruption!!! >
.
What, exactly, are you assuing me of? Please write clearly.
.
> It appears that you agree with the
> point being made that ACORN has been the target of Republicans.>
.
And Rush Limbaugh is targeted by the Democrats. There's nothing wrong
with that.
.
> I've made my point ...>
.
What point might that be? That the Republicans don't much care for
criminal organizations like ACORN? True, we don't. We'd like to see
those guys pay for their crimes, and they will when the Republicans
take back Congress in 2010 - they will.
.
> Now, if you
> discover that ACORN is prosecuted, and found guilty, c'mon back,
> apologize for yourself and the creeps who motivate your spreading
> their LIES!!!-:) >
.
1. I've already posted several links showing ACORN members being
prosecuted and found guilty. You chose to ignore them.
2. Why would I apologize for being proven right?
.
> BTW, 40% of those registered by ACORN, were
> Republican!!! >
.
I don't believe you. Prove it.
.
> People who live in glass houses (REPUBLICANS), should they be throwing
> stones???
.
> http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/project_vote/2009/06/...
.
You're going back to your one convicted Republican .... again?
art clemons
>> So how does one individual being convicted of said crime prove that ACORN
>> is guilty?>
> .
> Want more?
No matter how many you produce of individuals, you still haven't
demonstrated that the ACORN entity is guilty of what you claim. Where is
the conviction of Acorn or its leadership for the activities.
One more time, is every entity responsible for the acts of employees,
associates or volunteers OUTSIDE the scope of Acorn's normal business
activities?
John Fisher
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You are so-o--o-o con-fused, devalelly, you just can't comprehend the
math!!! As for the link you produce, it doesn't qualify that this
individual was a an agent of ACORN or if she was a Democrat or
Republican??? At any rate, we are not discussing an individual we
are
discussing an organization. The organization you refer to is the
respectable ACORN. The organization I have in mind is the corrupt
Republican organization. Can you not see the difference between and
organization and an individual????
Republicans just can't stand the thought that those who are being
brought into the system, in spite of their efforts to keep them out!
It will manage any kind of scandal, based on lies and inuendo, in
order to damage the reputation of an organization which has done so
much to improve the lives of so many!!! ACORN has done more to
benefit society, and the truly needy, offering them access to tools
by
which they can survive, than the Republicans have ever done!!!
Sadly,
if lies are repeated often enough, there are those who are inclined
to
believe!!! They hear a piece of propaganda (LIES) which,
subconsciously, they file in the back of their minds without ever
pursuing truth!!! The remedy for that it to speak the truth, so
often, that the LIES are abated!!! I'd suggest you stop spreading
LIES, stop confusing the issues, devalelly , and that you pursue the
truth!!!! It will set you free!!!-:) Stop confusing the issues!!!!
=:)
Bob
news:hgjbkb$5sk$2...@news.albasani.net...
They are responsible for the culture within the
organization. Acorn fails miserably if ethics
mean anything.
John Fisher
> "art clemons" <artclem...@aolSPAM.com> wrote in message
If ethics meant anything, Republicans would stop trying to demean a
reputable organization (which is so much more so than the Republican
Party, INDEED!!-:) If "ethics" meant anything, the limpbowels,
hannity's, etc., would be dealing with facts instead of fictions which
their imaginations produce in going forward to spread their gospel of
insane conclusions. Of course, we've known for a LONG TIME that the
least ethical, of ALL enterprise in this country, is the REPUBLICAN
PARTY!!! The dirtiest word in the vocabulary of the day is
REPUBLICAN!!!! Funny you are one of those who has not come upon that
truth. Do so, and carry the torch of freedom which Republicans do
their best to abate!!!! 'n' Thank you for your support!!!=:)
Stile4aly
> .> > > What "indictments, and convictions" do you have in mind???
> > > > Certainly, you're not referring to ACORN!!!-:) Actual words, and
> > > > clever editing, are tools of deceitful wingers.
> .
> > >http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/15/fox-news-posts-full-unedited-vi...
> .
> > > Fox News posts full, unedited video of sting on ACORN San Bernardino
> .
> > > If you visit the link, you can see the unedited video
> .
> > That is neither an indictment nor a conviction.
>
> .
> Why are you defending these scumbags?
I'm not defending them, I simply believe that if a crime has been
committed then they should be charged and convicted, not simply left
to the court of public opinion.
Do you get a boner when you
> think about kidnapped 13 year old girls used as sex slaves?
Grow up.
bvallely
> On Dec 19, 3:14 pm, "Bob" <n...@email.address> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "art clemons" <artclem...@aolSPAM.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:hgjbkb$5sk$2...@news.albasani.net...
>
> > > bvallely wrote:
>
> > >>> So how does one individual being convicted of said crime prove that
> > >>> ACORN
> > >>> is guilty?>
> > >> .
> > >> Want more?
>
> > > No matter how many you produce of individuals, you still haven't
> > > demonstrated that the ACORN entity is guilty of what you claim. Where is
> > > the conviction of Acorn or its leadership for the activities.
>
> > > One more time, is every entity responsible for the acts of employees,
> > > associates or volunteers OUTSIDE the scope of Acorn's normal business
> > > activities?
>
> > They are responsible for the culture within the
> > organization. Acorn fails miserably if ethics
> > mean anything.
.
> If ethics meant anything, Republicans would stop trying to demean a
.
What is a panty sniffer, like yourself, doing talking about ethics.
Go back to your collection of Republicans who were arrested for sex
crimes - it's the only thing you can do, pervert.
John Fisher
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ROFLMAO!!!=) Republicans are guilty of ever crime on the books!!!
The Bible toting moralist Christian wingers preach one thing but, in
reality, are anti Christian in their behavior. They lie!!! They
cheat!!! They steal!! They bear false witness against their
neighbors (ACORN for instance)!!! In your case, you obviously go
about chanting vulgarities about others whom you can't convince with
your incongruous arguments!!
art clemons
> We'll get to that. Right now, ACORN is being protected by very
> powerful Democrats. When we kick their sorry asses out of power in
> 2010, ACORN will be forced to be accountable for their crimes.
> .
>> One more time, is every entity responsible for the acts of employees,
>> associates or volunteers OUTSIDE the scope of Acorn's normal business
>> activities?
> .
> No. Companies are most certainly resonsible for the activities of
> their employees. If a doctor shows up drunk for an operation and
> kills a patient, the hospital is sued. If it happens too many times
> the feds take over the hospital. I suggest that you read up on Martin
> Luther King/Harbor General Hospital to learn more about basic American
> law.
>
The doctrine you're discussing is called "respondeat superior" and I
pointedly note that normally for a corporate entity to be held responsible,
either it has to be within the normal scope of said entity's course of
normal business or those in charge (meaning high level execs or supervisors)
have to initiated the illegal deeds. In most of the cases of Acorn workers
charged and/or convicted, Acorn the entity was the reporting source of the
problem.
http://www.legal-explanations.com/definitions/respondeat-superior.htm
May I suggest you don't know what you're typing about and your analogy falls
far short of implicating Acorn.
bvallely
> ROFLMAO!!!=) Republicans are guilty of ever crime on the books!!!
> The Bible toting moralist Christian wingers preach one thing but, in
> reality, are anti Christian in their behavior. They lie!!! They
> cheat!!! They steal!! They bear false witness against their
> neighbors (ACORN for instance)!!! In your case, you obviously go
> about chanting vulgarities about others whom you can't convince with
> your incongruous arguments!!
Oh, my. Yet another rant from a Christophobe.
John Fisher
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Now, that's just not nice!!! Afte what we've been thru, over the
rightard decade, Obama is a breath of fresh air!!!-:)
I think this will help you determine some truths about corruption and
Republicans ('n' rightard hypocrites)!!! It's time to come to the
support of the best leader we've had in such a long time!!-:)(mnsvho)
art clemons
> That's bullet proof for a very short time. When a company produces
> criminal act after criminal act, it becomes toxic. This is the
> situation ACORN currently enjoys.
I suggest that your "legal analysis" is inadequate. I'll leave it that!
.
http://www.miamiherald.com/460/story/1225950.html
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/54011.html
I suggest you read the following:
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/americandebate/Sticks_stones_and_ACORNs.html
BTW have you got a single example of someone convicted of voting with a
phony registration after being registered by Acorn?
John Fisher
> On Dec 20, 3:38 pm, bvallely <bvall...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 19, 7:05 pm, art clemons <artclem...@aolSPAM.com> wrote:
>
> > > bvallely wrote:
> > > > We'll get to that. Right now, ACORN is being protected by very
> > > > powerful Democrats. When we kick their sorry asses out of power in
> > > > 2010, ACORN will be forced to be accountable for their crimes.
> > > > .
> > > >> One more time, is every entity responsible for the acts of employees,
> > > >> associates or volunteers OUTSIDE the scope of Acorn's normal business
> > > >> activities?
> > > > .
> > > > No. Companies are most certainly resonsible for the activities of
> > > > their employees. If a doctor shows up drunk for an operation and
> > > > kills a patient, the hospital is sued. If it happens too many times
> > > > the feds take over the hospital. I suggest that you read up on Martin
> > > > Luther King/Harbor General Hospital to learn more about basic American
> > > > law.
>
> > > The doctrine you're discussing is called "respondeat superior" and I
> > > pointedly note that normally for a corporate entity to be held responsible,
> > > either it has to be within the normal scope of said entity's course of
> > > normal business or those in charge (meaning high level execs or supervisors)
> > > have to initiated the illegal deeds.>
>
> > That's bullet proof for a very short time. When a company produces
> > criminal act after criminal act, it becomes toxic. This is the
> > situation ACORN currently enjoys.
> > > charged and/or convicted, Acorn the entity was the reporting source of the
> > > problem.
>
> > I don't believe you. Please link examples of ACORN reporting
> > offending employees, and list it right here -------------->
> > .>http://www.legal-explanations.com/definitions/respondeat-superior.htm
> > .
> > > May I suggest you don't know what you're typing about and your analogy falls
> > > far short of implicating Acorn.
>
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