Today's Founder Quote: What gives America's leadership the authority to protect it's shores from its ememies?
CB
"Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety,
prosperity, and happiness of the people; and not for profit, honor, or
private interest of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, the
people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to
institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change the same, when
their protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness require it."
--John Adams
--
CB
"For he (the ruler of the government) is the minister of God to thee for
good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not
the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute
wrath upon him that doeth evil."
Be...@moron.com
<C...@prayforme.com> wrote:
>Today's Founder Quote:
>
>"Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety,
>prosperity, and happiness of the people; and not for profit, honor, or
>private interest of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, the
>people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to
>institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change the same, when
>their protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness require it."
> --John Adams
Wow, Well said.
That means the racist, homophobic, self-serving,
greedy, hypocritical, sham-moralistic assholes
that call themselves "Conservatives" are
rightfully whipped and beaten consistently.
BTW, you stupid fuck
Can you name ANY of the charter reasons of the
revolution that, once the constitution was put
into place, have been abrogated.
You do remember the lists from the Declaration,
Right CBLOON
Re-read them and tell us which would in ANY way
countenance an abrogation of the government.
Make us laugh.
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"I was stubborn in my pursuit of a policy that went
astray." (August 12, 1987)
In the summer of 1987, Congress held forty days of
public hearings on the Iran-Contra affair; during
which time they listened to twenty-eight witnesses
give more than 250 hours of testimony. The most
memorable witness was Colonel Oliver L. North of
the
National Security Council (NSC), who had, in violation
of the Boland Amendments passed by Congress in 1984,
directed NSC efforts to fund the anticommunist
Contras fighting in Nicaragua. The funding had come
from a variety of domestic and foreign sources,
including, most controversially, the proceeds of secret
arms sales to Iran. Reagan admitted to having given
acit approval to the Iran arms sales (to bring about
the release of American hostages in Lebanon), and to
the Contra aid (to prevent the spread of communism in
Central America), but denied knowledge of the Iran-Contra
connection or of the scope of the NSC's wrongdoing.
During the congressional hearings, most witnesses,
including NSC head John M. Poindexter, held up Reagan's
passive role in his administration's Iran-Contra activity.
Oliver North was one of the few to directly implicate
the president, but his portrayal of his own conduct
and of the Iran-Contra operation itself as patriotic
and logical did much to strengthen public support for
the administration's well-meaning, if illegal, activities
abroad. The final congressional report on the Iran-Contra
affair condemned President Reagan for failing in his
constitutional duty and said he bore the "ultimate
responsibility" for the wrongdoing of his aides.
However, the president was not among the thirteen
White House, State Department, and intelligence officials
indicted on charges ranging from perjury to conspiracy
to defraud the United States. North and Poindexter
were both convicted on conspiracy charges, but
eventually had their convictions overturned because
prosecutors had used testimony that they had given
to Congress under immunity.
Courtney Love
"For he (the ruler of the government) is the minister of God to thee for
good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not
the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute
Like I've repeatedly said, you can't think for yourself. You can only repeat
what others say.
You are like Peter, who betrayed Jesus while professing to be his disciple. As
Jesus said, "By their fruits ye shall know them." I know you well enough by
your fruits.
"Justice is as strictly due between neighbor nations as between neighbor
citizens. A highwayman is as much a robber when he plunders in a gang, as when
single; and a nation that makes an unjust war is only a great gang."
--Benjamin Franklin
CB
"Courtney Love" <clove...@aol.comdotcom> wrote in message
news:20030222200941...@mb-mu.aol.com...
> << CB
> "For he (the ruler of the government) is the minister of God to thee for
> good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not
> the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute
> wrath upon him that doeth evil." >><BR><BR>
>
> Like I've repeatedly said, you can't think for yourself. You can only
repeat
> what others say.
>
> You are like Peter, who betrayed Jesus while professing to be his
disciple. As
> Jesus said, "By their fruits ye shall know them." I know you well enough
by
> your fruits.
Why do persist in personal destruction Courtney? Have I hurt you in some
way?
Thinking for my self is what brought me to Jesus. If it were anyone else
that thought for me I'd be lost in impressionism. If impressionism was my
thing, following Christ and His Word would hardly be the Word to "repeat".
Why would I repeat Gods Word only to be ridiculed?
The harvest is near, ben Laden has been separated from the grain. Soon
Babylon's king will be dethroned by the Biblical Eagle. What then will you
say of American Justice?
CB
Courtney Love
You pretend to be a Christian but you won't follow Christ's commandments. You
try to ignore them or rationalize them away by quoting the Old Testament and
not answering those who point out how you are wrong and walking away from
Christ. I am hurt by all the false Christians that do this. People like Pat
Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and you are all the same--you profess to love and
serve Christ but you do the Devil's work. That sort of hypocrisy is more
odious to me than the outright evil of people like Hitler.
<< Thinking for my self is what brought me to Jesus. If it were anyone else
that thought for me I'd be lost in impressionism. If impressionism was my
thing, following Christ and His Word would hardly be the Word to "repeat".
>><BR><BR>
This isn't borne out by your behaviour here. You repeatedly use phrases other
taught you. When faced with someone criticizing you, you don't analyze it and
respond intelligently, you just use what someone said about you back to them.
It's like you can't think of something else to say so you parrot. That's what
little children do.
<< Why would I repeat Gods Word only to be ridiculed? >><BR><BR>
Because deep down you are a coward. You are scared about things that can
happen in this world and that, more than anything else, shows how little faith
you have in the Lord. If you really think you will go to Heaven when you die,
then why are you afraid of dying? There's a question I've asked you before and
you've ignored it. You'll ignore this too because you can't think of an
answer. You think you have to do something to "fight" Islam or the Devil.
That's wrong. God's plan will unfold according to his Will, at His time, on
His terms. You are not part of it except to accept Christ as your Saviour and
to live the way he wants you to. You have done the first but not the second,
and that bars you from being redeemed.
<< The harvest is near, ben Laden has been separated from the grain. >><BR><BR>
No man knows the time of Christ's coming; he will come as a thief in the night.
<< Soon
Babylon's king will be dethroned by the Biblical Eagle. >><BR><BR>
Those who claim to know the future are the false prophets Christ warned us
about. You are one such prophet.
<< What then will you
say of American Justice? >><BR><BR>
A war on Iraq now is not just. John Ashcroft and George Bush are not
interested in justice but in destruction. I have a from the Old Testament that
is more applicable to Ashcroft, and Bush, and you, since you like the old
testament so much, from the book of Isaiah:
"Howl ye, for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction
from the Almighty."
You are one of those that will be destroyed unless you begin living the way
Christ wants you to.
CB
"Courtney Love" <clove...@aol.comdotcom> wrote in message
> << Why do persist in personal destruction Courtney? Have I hurt you in
some
> way? >><BR><BR>
>
> You pretend to be a Christian but you won't follow Christ's commandments.
You
> try to ignore them or rationalize them away by quoting the Old Testament
and
> not answering those who point out how you are wrong and walking away from
> Christ.
I am not under Old Testament law. I cannot possibly live up to that
burdensome yoke. I live under Grace. If you are attempting to hold me to Old
Testament, your as lost as the Jews who still have yet to recognize Christ
as the Messiah
I am hurt by all the false Christians that do this. People like Pat
> Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and you are all the same--you profess to love
and
> serve Christ but you do the Devil's work. That sort of hypocrisy is more
> odious to me than the outright evil of people like Hitler.
There's that shallow moral comparison again. Your analogy is bankrupt of any
credibility. I'm sorry, with that type of comparison, it's no wonder why
some people cannot tell the difference in Good and Evil. You haven't the
moral authority to know.
Tell me Courtney just how many people have Hitler and Saddamn murdered
compared to President Bush and "People like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell"?
>
> << Thinking for my self is what brought me to Jesus. If it were anyone
else
> that thought for me I'd be lost in impressionism. If impressionism was my
> thing, following Christ and His Word would hardly be the Word to "repeat".
> >><BR><BR>
>
> This isn't borne out by your behaviour here. You repeatedly use phrases
other
> taught you. When faced with someone criticizing you, you don't analyze it
and
> respond intelligently, you just use what someone said about you back to
them.
> It's like you can't think of something else to say so you parrot. That's
what
> little children do.
One good friend, wise in council, is worth a thousand fools.
>
> << Why would I repeat Gods Word only to be ridiculed? >><BR><BR>
I didn't think you would answer that question.
>
> Because deep down you are a coward. You are scared about things that can
> happen in this world and that, more than anything else, shows how little
faith
> you have in the Lord.
I value life enough to fight and defend it with my own life. Those that
place little value on life are more apt to commit suicide, support abortion,
compare Goodness with Evil and assign equality to them as the tolerant thing
to do. People who do not value their life would sooner concede to the Evils
of radical Islam than to fight the whore of Babylon and be victorious.
If you really think you will go to Heaven when you die,
> then why are you afraid of dying? There's a question I've asked you
before and
> you've ignored it. You'll ignore this too because you can't think of an
> answer.
I'm not afraid of dying. When my time comes I'll know what inheritance
awaits me. That's not to say I don't value my life and that of my family and
neighbors life enough to fight the emissaries of Evil. How little can you
value life to allow terrorists to dictate America's fate? How little do you
value life to compare the deeds of Hitler with the deeds of President Bush?
You haven't the moral courage needed to fight for your God given life. You
seem to have little value on the life God has given you. You are unwilling
to fight Evil but rather concede to it.
You think you have to do something to "fight" Islam or the Devil.
> That's wrong. God's plan will unfold according to his Will, at His time,
on
> His terms.
Man has free choice. Is it your belief mans dysteny is souly dependient on
Gods will? With that same way of thinking then you would say it is Gods will
the Saddamn tortures and gasses his own people. Using your own belief that
"God's plan will unfold according to his Will, at His time, on His terms"
would mean Hitler and the Holicaust was "according to his Will".
Your faith is not in parallel with the church. Man has free choice. God
knows that will happen to be sure. That doesn't mean he's a puppeteer
pulling strings according to his will. Man is in charge of his own destiny.
You are not part of it except to accept Christ as your Saviour and
> to live the way he wants you to. You have done the first but not the
second,
> and that bars you from being redeemed.
I cannot live up to the requirements of your God. I live in grace, not under
the law. What ever sin you condemn me too, God forgives me. The biggest lie
the Deceiver has is the lie of "your not worthy". I am worthy Courtney and
for you to call me stupid and to hold me to Old Testament Law is missing out
on Gods Grace.
>
> << The harvest is near, ben Laden has been separated from the grain.
>><BR><BR>
>
> No man knows the time of Christ's coming; he will come as a thief in the
night.
God demands us to know the season of his coming and to prepare for it.
Matthew 24:42
Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Jeremiah 51:12
Set up the standard upon the walls of Babylon, make the watch strong, set up
the watchmen, prepare the ambushes: for the LORD hath both devised and done
that which he spake against the inhabitants of Babylon.
39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the
thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to
be broken through.
>
> << Soon
> Babylon's king will be dethroned by the Biblical Eagle. >><BR><BR>
>
> Those who claim to know the future are the false prophets Christ warned us
> about. You are one such prophet.
You do not know your Bible girlfriend.
Luke 12
37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find
watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them
to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch,
and find them so, blessed are those servants.
39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the
thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to
be broken through.
40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye
think not.
I watch for the signs. I would not have my brother be so ignorant not to
have his lamp filled or at least tell him where he may fill it. The day is
coming where the Master returns to see what has become of His yield. Some
delay in the hope that there is yet time to plant.
45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink,
and to be drunken;
46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for
him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and
will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
Sure, I do not know the hour of his coming. But I make hast for the time is
near.
>
> << What then will you
> say of American Justice? >><BR><BR>
>
> A war on Iraq now is not just. John Ashcroft and George Bush are not
> interested in justice but in destruction. I have a from the Old Testament
that
> is more applicable to Ashcroft, and Bush, and you, since you like the old
> testament so much, from the book of Isaiah:
I'm a New Testament Fan, sorry. I live under grace, not the law.
>
> "Howl ye, for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a
destruction
> from the Almighty."
>
> You are one of those that will be destroyed unless you begin living the
way
> Christ wants you to.
I have chosen my path, leave me to it and go about your own way.
--
CB
1 Corinthians 15:10
But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed
upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet
not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
Courtney Love
I never said you were. YOU are the one that tries to use the Old Testament to
justify your behaviour, instead of the New Testament, which is the Gospel of
Christ.
<< I live under Grace. If you are attempting to hold me to Old
Testament, your as lost as the Jews who still have yet to recognize Christ
as the Messiah >><BR><BR>
An obvious distortion of what I've said. Now do you see why you are a tool of
the Deceiver?
<< There's that shallow moral comparison again. >><BR><BR>
BS.
<< Your analogy is bankrupt of any
credibility. >><BR><BR>
Christ said to love thy neighbor and do unto others as you would have others do
unto you. You hate Saddam Hussein and want him to die. There is no more
direct, 180 degree turning of your face away from Christ's commandments than
that.
<< I'm sorry, with that type of comparison, it's no wonder why
some people cannot tell the difference in Good and Evil. You haven't the
moral authority to know. >><BR><BR>
It's easy to tell the difference, so long as the truth can be found out. Evil
and Good are based on motives.
<< Tell me Courtney just how many people have Hitler and Saddamn murdered
compared to President Bush and "People like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell"?
>><BR><BR>
A false comparison, and yet another proof of your evil. I said that Jerry
Falwell, Pat Robertson and you are false Christians because you say "Lord,
Lord" in public but act in ways against Christ's commandments. Nowhere did I
say that Hitler and Saddam were, nor have I ever said that they were guiltless.
What I have said, and what you ignore and distort, is that you lose the
ability to judge others' morality when your own is corrupt. Your hypocrisy
makes your ability to condemn others illegitimate.
<< One good friend, wise in council, is worth a thousand fools. >><BR><BR>
It's OK to be stupid; God for his own reasons doesn't want everyone to be
intelligent, and you happen to be one of those. But don't just parrot what
others have said when you can't think of anything yourself. You have to
understand what those things mean, and it's obvious you don't.
<< I didn't think you would answer that question. >><BR><BR>
I did answer that question, you liar. You even quoted it in your response.
It's the part that starts, "Because you're a coward." But that's OK, I expect
deception and evasion from you.
<< I value life enough to fight and defend it with my own life. >><BR><BR>
You're still scared to die.
<< Those that
place little value on life are more apt to commit suicide, support abortion,
compare Goodness with Evil and assign equality to them as the tolerant thing
to do. >><BR><BR>
This is an evasion and has nothing to do with what I said. You are scared to
die; you must not believe too strongly in Heaven.
<< People who do not value their life would sooner concede to the Evils
of radical Islam than to fight the whore of Babylon and be victorious.
>><BR><BR>
You aren't fighting Babylon, and that's all false prophecy stuff anyway.
Besides, it begs the question of why death scares you.
<< I'm not afraid of dying. When my time comes I'll know what inheritance
awaits me. That's not to say I don't value my life and that of my family and
neighbors life enough to fight the emissaries of Evil. >><BR><BR>
You can't kill the Devil with a gun or a sword, as George Fox said. It's not
your job to fight evil, that's God's job. See, here's where you make a big
mistake: you act like you have to do something in order to make God's plan a
reality, and you don't. All you have to do is live your life by Jesus'
commandments. God will take care of the rest. But you can't even do that
right.
<< How little can you
value life to allow terrorists to dictate America's fate? >><BR><BR>
Here you go off on a tangent you construct yourself which is not at all related
to what I said, and you draw false conclusions therefrom. So don't pin your
self-constructed lies on me, deceiver. I value life more than you do, you who
want to kill people in Iraq. You support that sort of murder and you're just
like them.
<< How little do you
value life to compare the deeds of Hitler with the deeds of President Bush?
>><BR><BR>
Same deal. You're making up what I said, you liar. I said your hypocrisy is
more odious to me than Hitler's evil. You're a coward to suggest I said
otherwise. Here it is again:
That sort of hypocrisy is more
> odious to me than the outright evil of people like Hitler.
You'll have to do better than that in your evil attempt to lie about what I
said.
<< You haven't the moral courage needed to fight for your God given life.
>><BR><BR>
You're a coward who misuses the Bible to justify his evil deeds.
<< You
seem to have little value on the life God has given you. >><BR><BR>
I've already explained how you are wrong, but since God decided he wanted you
to be stupid you don't see it. I don't question God's judgment, even if I
don't always understand it. I do try to live the way Jesus wants me to as much
as I can. Despite my harsh language towards you, please understand that I do
love you and am trying to help you avoid eternal perdition.
<< You are unwilling
to fight Evil but rather concede to it. >><BR><BR>
Wrong again, liar. I am working within God's plan by following Jesus'
commandments to the best of my ability.
<< Man has free choice. >><BR><BR>
Yes, which is why you are currently doomed.
<< Is it your belief mans dysteny is souly dependient on
Gods will? >><BR><BR>
I assume you meant to write "Is it your belief man's destiny is solely
dependent on God's will?" My answer is that no one knows God's ultimate plan
and that those who claim they do are the false prophets we were warned against.
What I believe doesn't matter so much as what God wants. I like to think each
person's destiny is in their own hands, but if they live as Jesus wants them
to, then no matter what happens to them, be it good or ill, it's all going to
unfold as God wants. I'm sure you would agree if you were a Christian.
<< With that same way of thinking >><BR><BR>
That's your thinking, not mine, but go ahead...
<< then you would say it is Gods will
the Saddamn tortures and gasses his own people. >><BR><BR>
I don't try to second-guess God's will, but I have my opinions about that:
namely, that Saddam will pay in the afterlife for his evil, just like you. And
before you start foaming at the mouth about how you never gassed anybody, try
to remember that there's more than one type of evil in the world, and murder,
foul though it is, isn't the worst sin of all, even according to God.
<< Using your own belief that
"God's plan will unfold according to his Will, at His time, on His terms"
would mean Hitler and the Holicaust was "according to his Will". >><BR><BR>
Not necessarily. One can have a plan that will unfold *regardless* of the
actions of others when you are as powerful as God. God can say, "Men have the
choice of what they do but in the end I will make sure thus and thus happens."
So Hitler will pay for his evil (maybe even he is doing so right now) as will
Saddam, and you eventually unless you turn your life around. None of them (or
you) are capable of commiting an action that will counter God's plan because
none of you are powerful enough.
<< Your faith is not in parallel with the church. >><BR><BR>
Which church?
<< Man has free choice. >><BR><BR>
Yes indeed, else what is the reason for choosing Christ and being saved?
<< God
knows that will happen to be sure. That doesn't mean he's a puppeteer
pulling strings according to his will. Man is in charge of his own destiny.
>><BR><BR>
These are all things YOU said, as if you're refuting me, but you're not, so do
yourself a favor to avoid being embarassed and don't contruct any arguments
based around my having allegedly said them.
<< I cannot live up to the requirements of your God >><BR><BR>
Not God, but Jesus, and that's apparent. You're no Christian when you advocate
death and slaughter.
<< I live in grace, not under
the law. >><BR><BR>
You don't live under Jesus's law.
<< What ever sin you condemn me too, God forgives me. >><BR><BR>
Only if you accept Christ and live by his rules. You can't say you accept
Christ and continue to advocate that evil things be done. In that case your
alleged "acceptance" is seen as falseness.
<< The biggest lie
the Deceiver has is the lie of "your not worthy". >><BR><BR>
Wrong. The Devil has much bigger lies than that.
<< I am worthy Courtney and
for you to call me stupid and to hold me to Old Testament Law is missing out
on Gods Grace. >><BR><BR>
I call you stupid because you are. It's apparent to anyone with any reason
that you are not very learned, that you make grammatical and spelling mistakes
that a second grader has already mastered and that you can only parrot back at
others what they've said to you. You also lie repeatedly about what I said, as
you just did right there in mentioning the Old Testament. But the part you
keep skipping over is how I've said that it's OK for you to be stupid. God
does not judge us on our intelligence, only our actions and our choices. You
can still choose good over evil and be saved no matter how smart or stupid you
are.
<< God demands us to know the season of his coming and to prepare for it.
Matthew 24:42
Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. >><BR><BR>
You ARE stupid. You just made my point for me. No man knows when Christ is
coming; you CANNOT predict it by trying to interpret Biblical verse.
<< Jeremiah 51:12
Set up the standard upon the walls of Babylon, make the watch strong, set up
the watchmen, prepare the ambushes: for the LORD hath both devised and done
that which he spake against the inhabitants of Babylon. >><BR><BR>
That's Old Testament. We've been over this before. Zzzzzzzz.
<< You do not know your Bible girlfriend. >><BR><BR>
I may not have memorized it, but I know enough to spot a false prophet when I
see one.
<< Luke 12
37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find
watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them
to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch,
and find them so, blessed are those servants.
39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the
thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to
be broken through.
40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye
think not. >><BR><BR>
Did you read verse 40? "The Son of Man cometh at an hour WHEN YE THINK NOT."
(My emphasis.) How could you NOT SEE IT when it's right in front of your face?
<< I watch for the signs. >><BR><BR>
You have been misled that there will be signs.
<< I would not have my brother be so ignorant not to
have his lamp filled or at least tell him where he may fill it. The day is
coming where the Master returns to see what has become of His yield. >><BR><BR>
He already knows.
<< Some
delay in the hope that there is yet time to plant. >><BR><BR>
That is not at all incongruous with what I've said.
<< 45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink,
and to be drunken;
46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for
him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and
will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. >><BR><BR>
Once again you fail to see it. "In a day when he looketh not for him, and at
an hour when he is not aware..." You don't know when Christ will return, nor
does anyone else. To say you do is to brand yourself a false prophet.
<< Sure, I do not know the hour of his coming. But I make hast for the time is
near. >><BR><BR>
You don't know that the time is near. Anyone who tells you they know is a
liar.
<< I'm a New Testament Fan, sorry. I live under grace, not the law. >><BR><BR>
What a rank deception! You try to justify war with Iraq by quoting the Old
Testament, yet you're not a fan of it. Woe be unto you for trying so
shamefacedly to lie to me.
<< I have chosen my path, leave me to it and go about your own way. >><BR><BR>
You may have chosen the path of evil, and that's your choice, but so long as
you defame Christ by trying to use him to justify your depravity I will not let
you get away with that.
k.oco...@verizon.net
themselves." Read into that what you will, but common sense says God will
lead us so far, but then it is up to us. When you hear somebody say "God
will provide me with the fortitude to win," it means that if you do not
prepare, train or study, then you did not use the tools that God provided,
and you are going to get your arse kicked. There is a time to fight, and
their is a time to be martyred. After 9/11, I refuse to martyr anymore
people, and I will not be a martyr. If need be I will go down fighting. If
you don't want to, no worries. But for those of us who, like the men on the
D-Day invasion, are ready to fight and keep this country free from attacks
we will fight based solely on our freedom and way of life. If you are truly
a conscientious objector based on religious grounds, I applaud you.
Sergeant Alvin C York, also believed what you did, but he also believed in
fighting for freedom, and was a WWI hero.
People want to make this out like its "Vietnam"- but it's not. In some
sense it is, because we are fighting a ruthless dictator (like Pol Pot), who
has a fetish for weapons of mass destruction, however we our country has
been attacked and we are under threat of attack at all times.
Saddam will most likely supply Al Queda with weapons of mass destruction.
Also, this time we have a clear plan of action -- we will not let our troops
go in to be slaughtered.
Look up the name Neville Chamberlain and when you know who he is and what
his blunder was, then you will understand.
"Courtney Love" <clove...@aol.comdotcom> wrote in message
news:20030301225249...@mb-fk.aol.com...
Raamses
> (<k.oco...@verizon.net>)
>Here is an old saying that applies here,
> "God helps those who help themselves."
> Read into that what you will, but
> common sense says God will lead us so
> far, but then it is up to us. When you
> hear somebody say "God will provide
> me with the fortitude to win," it means
> that if you do not prepare, train or study,
> then you did not use the tools that God
> provided, and you are going to get your
> arse kicked. There is a time to fight, and
> their is a time to be martyred. After
> 9/11, I refuse to martyr anymore people,
> and I will not be a martyr.
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Wow, are you trying to make a convincing argument for the terrorist of
9/11? Because it sure sounds like you just did. Because of this sick
fascination with suicide, or being "martyred" by ANY of this world's
religion's today, it seems like that there are more and more of these
religious fanatics than ever today. And with your description above, I
am sure those terrorist thought that they were martyr's too. When you
say that there is a time to be "martyred," and you believe that, then
who is to say that the terrorist didn't believe in their own religious
time to be martyred when those planes crashed into the WTC Building's.
Is your religion right? How about Islam? Just what religion IS the right
one? And where was America's Christian protection that day? Why didn't
God stop it? You "straddled" the fence well above, in your posting. To
me, being a "martyr," is no different than a murderer. No different than
committing suicide really. Only thing is, you are doing it for a
religious belief. You are very close it seem's, to actually making a
valid argument for the terrorist of 9/11. This is nothing new though.
Think of all the murder's that were committed in the name of God.....or
a God, or gods? Insane! Oh, and "heat," yes, CB will have plenty of
heat, unless of course, you believe in miracles. I would like to think
so.
~raamses~