Highly Recommended Book YOU GENTILES by Maurice Samuel
Visual Purple
This is an amazing book. I don't agree with everything he says,
particularly my experience of the God of Yisrael is not gloomy,
intense and demanding, yes, gloomy no, but, in the main, he is right
on target. It is significant that it was written in 1924, while the
world was still deeply traumatized by WWI, but had not yet experienced
WWII and the State of Israel was not in existence.
This quote:
"In everything, we are destroyers--even in the instruments of
destruction to which we turn for relief... We Jews, we, the
destroyers, will remain the destroyers for ever. Nothing that you will
do will meet our needs and demands. We will destroy because we need a
world of our own." - You Gentiles, pages 152, 155, and 147.
is taken out of context by anti-Semites.
What Samuel is saying is not that the Jews are deliberate destroyers,
or want to be. He is saying that we inadvertently destroy Gentile
society, which is nothing but pageantry and spectacle, because we
demand a seriousness, a reality and a morality from life that is far
greater than gentiles can ever provide and so among the gentiles we
are forever trying to create moral structures that, as gentiles are
not able to bear them, break under the weight of them.
One of the most remarkable things that Maurice Samuels says in his
book YOU GENTILES, and which has been my experience too, to my chagrin
is that the Jewish radical is no less unlike our gentile counterpart
than the Orthodox traditional Jew is like a believing Xian.
In both cases, our conception of righteousness, of morality, is so
very much more sincere and profound as conceived by the Jew that we
are wholly misunderstood.
It is not the Jewish Socialists who degraded Socialism, as it is not
the Jewish Anarchists who degraded Anarchy. It was the gentile
Socialists and Anarchists who made compromises with absolute justice,
morality and concern for the other needed for those systems to work
who degraded them.
Then the Jews were blamed for the fact that Socialism is, in practice,
a totalitarian system. Gentiles made it so, not we.
Doreen Ellen Bell-Dotan, Tzfat, Israel
Doree...@gmail.com
jos boersema
On 2009-11-21, Visual Purple <doree...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Highly Recommended Book YOU GENTILES by Maurice Samuel
>
> This is an amazing book. I don't agree with everything he says,
> particularly my experience of the God of Yisrael is not gloomy,
> intense and demanding, yes, gloomy no, but, in the main, he is right
> on target. It is significant that it was written in 1924, while the
> world was still deeply traumatized by WWI, but had not yet experienced
> WWII and the State of Israel was not in existence.
>
> This quote:
>
> "In everything, we are destroyers--even in the instruments of
> destruction to which we turn for relief... We Jews, we, the
> destroyers, will remain the destroyers for ever. Nothing that you will
> do will meet our needs and demands. We will destroy because we need a
> world of our own." - You Gentiles, pages 152, 155, and 147.
>
> is taken out of context by anti-Semites.
>
> What Samuel is saying is not that the Jews are deliberate destroyers,
> or want to be. He is saying that we inadvertently destroy Gentile
> society, which is nothing but pageantry and spectacle, because we
> demand a seriousness, a reality and a morality from life that is far
> greater than gentiles can ever provide and so among the gentiles we
> are forever trying to create moral structures that, as gentiles are
> not able to bear them, break under the weight of them.
That's a wonderful claim by the Torah law breaking GENTILE nation of
Israel. If only it where true...
You have no seriousness with the Torah. If you had you would oppose the
heter iska and prozbul lies.
You know what I read in a jewish magazine ? There is some Israeli boy
who is now both a boxer and studying for being a Rabbi. Sure, no problem
anymore, go ahead beat someone a bloody nose and a brain damage for
life, and then make a ruling on how to love peace.
You are a gentile nation, Doreen, complete with the same boastfullness
as you accuse the non-jews of having. What did you just write here ?
You boasted you are the better nation, and all your faults are actually
the doing of other nations.
It seems to me that your God is preparing you for being wiped out, by
turning you at an ever faster pace away from the Torah, more and more
westernized in your gentile culture, more and more agression and more and
more 'spectacle.' Eventually some may reject that and turn back to the
Torah. And the rest through its own violent ways will work up some kind
of disaster that will perish them. It seems now likely you would end
up in a war, isn't it.
Remember that book, the Torah ? No ? I'll tell you about it: it is
a book with many laws, it was given to Israel a long time ago. It was
believed to be at least inspired from heaven, if not dictated by it.
It was the installation of the jewish people as a sovereign nation.
It said that if you did well, that heaven would protect you from the
other nations, and you would have peace on your border. But also that
if you did bad, you would see war.
How is the border doing these days, Israel ? Has your Torah come true ?
> One of the most remarkable things that Maurice Samuels says in his
> book YOU GENTILES, and which has been my experience too, to my chagrin
> is that the Jewish radical is no less unlike our gentile counterpart
> than the Orthodox traditional Jew is like a believing Xian.
Exactly. The jesusfollowers and the religious jews, they both break
the Torah, they only disagree on which parts should be broken. The
jesusfollowers prefer to break most laws these days, and especially the
laws on idolatry. But they most surely are keeping the 7th days rest
(in their own way, but it surely isn't a days of work). The religious
jews prefer to break the economic Torah laws and to make the laws
into a gigantic burden of rabbinical inventions, some of which break
down the Torah economy thus making exile inevitable. The jesusfollowers
prefer fewer laws then are in the Torah, the Rabbis prefer more.
Both break the Torah this way (imho).
The jewish non-radical is also like the gentile non-radical.
I don't really see any difference between jews and gentiles anymore.
It is true that the Torah is a LOT better without the NT attached.
NT is an insult to the brain imho. But other then that, I see not
much difference (Holland here).
> In both cases, our conception of righteousness, of morality, is so
> very much more sincere and profound as conceived by the Jew that we
> are wholly misunderstood.
>
> It is not the Jewish Socialists who degraded Socialism, as it is not
> the Jewish Anarchists who degraded Anarchy. It was the gentile
> Socialists and Anarchists who made compromises with absolute justice,
> morality and concern for the other needed for those systems to work
> who degraded them.
You simply define everything that is good as jew and everything that
is not-good as non-jew. This is apparently the new fashion among the
neo-jews. Neo-jews, that's a good word to describe it.
> Then the Jews were blamed for the fact that Socialism is, in practice,
> a totalitarian system. Gentiles made it so, not we.
Ah of course, the gentiles did it. The fact that jews broke the Torah
economic laws has of course nothing at all to do with economic
suffering. That would be a far too ... jewish thing to think, right ?
Didn't the jews ask for a King ? How non-totalitarian is that ?
Didn't the jews bowe down for a hunk of metal ? How pagan was that ?
Isn't it true that in your entire history, you never once managed
to set up even a form of democracy (until you copied a highly
troubled version from the .... western gentiles who actually copied
it from ancient Rome who inspired it from the ancient Greeks) ?
What is this Knesset you have ? It is the Roman Senate.
> Doreen Ellen Bell-Dotan, Tzfat, Israel
> Doree...@gmail.com
One of these days, do try to work up the courage to respond to my
proposal, in an honorable and contentual way, thank you. Sure, you don't
deserve any solutions there, you deserve exactly what you're getting.
Nevertheless, I like my system being done. It was promised that the
redemption would be unconditional, so there it is then.
You can still do this before some gigantic war befalls all.
I don't deny there is a lot of good in the jews, Doreen. But it's not
a war who is the best. If you are better then you should try to help
the other nations -- that'd be the mark that makes you good.
Maybe it can all end well.
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