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jos boersema  
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 More options Nov 2, 7:25 am
Newsgroups: alt.politics.socialism, soc.culture.native
From: jos boersema <jo...@xs4all.nl>
Date: 02 Nov 2009 12:25:06 GMT
Local: Mon, Nov 2 2009 7:25 am
Subject: voter group government, something to put through letterboxes
 A quick way to form voter groups
 --------------------------------

 For some reason I've forgotten the problem that people
 (we) may not be able to form voter-groups out of our
 own initiative (easily). Kind of a big problem during
 revolution ... People these days do not even know their
 own neighbors, at least not here, much less people in
 the street.

 It seems to be a bit of an issue how to do it: streets
 have varying names in all neighborhoods with varying
 length and they criss/cross each other randomly.

 An obvious initial idea is: simply group houses per
 50, since most have 1 or more adults, you get voter
 groups of 50 or more adults, so that is in an emergency
 not that bad. At least it would be a legal number.
 Since Governments are bound to territory, it makes most
 sense to use living quarters of people.

 What about this rule:
 - Divide the street from beginning to end in blocks of 50 homes,
   and after all streets have thus been divided the remainders
   of the streets are locally combined to also form groups of
   50.

 ......
 - Take the city/place map and find its streets-name register.
 - Starting from the top and the house number 1, the first 50 homes
   will comprise the first voter group (most likely numbers 1,
   2, 3, 4, ... 48, 49, 50). The next 50 homes comprise the second,
   (51, 52, 53,...  98, 99, 100) until you are left with a remainder
   of homes.
 - Then the second street, which may be somewhere else entirely,
   some method: first 50 homes is that (emergency) voter group.
 - Eventually once you pass through the whole city this way almost
   all streets end up with a remainder of homes. Then you are going
   to try by hand and map to look at these remainders and form
   again groups of 50 homes out of them that are closest by. In
   some cases you may again end up with remainders but then you
   can add a few more homes to a few voter groups that is no problem.
   Many voter groups could also give up homes if you check whether
   they already have enough for a voter group of minimum 50 adults.

 The benefit of this rule is that everyone who does not live in the
 "remainder" of a street, now already knows with whom they are in
 an "emergency" voter group. Take some street on the other side of
 the world, first 50 homes is an emergency voter group. The people
 who are in the remainder can also come together knowing they are
 a remainder, knowing nearby streets are also the remainder, so
 that is almost done also. They can come together and say "hi hi,
 we are supposed to be in an 'emergency voter group configuration,'
 how about it ?

 Then the people can proceed to fine tune their emergency voter
 groups. For example some may have more then 100 persons, that is
 easily divided into 2 groups. Others may find they have some
 70 while nearby groups also have 70, they can all decide to
 give away some people who form a new voter group. Voter groups
 ideally are a little more then 50 persons, to prevent one person
 leaving immediately leading to a voter group collapse. If it is
 tight, all 50 or close, it becomes harder to correct deficiency
 in some group, no room to play with memberships in the area.

 *

 If streets have no names, I suppose you could try to use
 streaks of lane/street, something like that.

 If streets have no house numbers you could start counting
 from one side. To coin a starting point: from north to south ?
 If exactly east/west, from west to east ?

 *

 Even if there is total freedom of people to group in voter
 groups how they like, it is often much more efficient to just
 start from "some" way and then /adapt/ that given distribution.
 People can swap around, "i want with them," and so on; that's
 easier then out of nowhere do it right.

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Text of a pamphlet that can be passed into people's homes to inform
them of the model, what they can do and what their rights are.
Another such pamphlet is here: http://www.socialism.nl/~joshb/sheet2.txt
Maybe this one is better, written from the perspective of unsuspecting
people, also explaining the essential details as a way of informing them
and convincing them (ASCII is the most simple form of digital communication,
if you want to make it look nicer cut/paste into some editor).

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                   Dividing into groups:

 - Divide per 50 group houses in each street starting to count from
   house number 1. Usually: 1,2,3,...48,49,50. Then 51,52,53...99,100.
   Etc.
 - The remainder in a street that does not have at least 50 adults in
   its group is to find another such group nearby to establish at least
   50 persons. If none can be found they can ask for other groups who
   have more then 50 to join them until they also have at least 50
   persons. If this is impossible or if there is only a few in the
   remainder, they can ask to join other groups nearby.
 - If a group has more then 104 adults who want to join in this effort,
   that group can split in 2 groups each at least 50 persons. For
   example the part with the lowest house numbers and the part with the
   highest.
 - Eventually all groups should at least have 50 persons, groups with
   fewer then 50 persons do not count as groups. Either they find enough
   people or they may want to disperse into the other groups. It is not
   important that groups have exactly 50 persons, a little bit more is
   better because if someone leaves you don't immediately lose your
   right as being an official voter group. Anywhere from 50 to 60 or even
   70 (a bit large though) is fine, it is your choice. No matter its
   size, each group has only the right to send in one representative.

                       Choosing a representative:

- Choose someone who will be responsible for voting inside the group,
  and to maintain a list of who is in that group. That person is the
  administrator of that group, or its housekeeper, it's servant. It has
  no power whatsoever.
- Then elect a representative. The representative has no power whatsoever,
  it only has a right to participate in a council once properly elected.
  The power stays with the voter group, the representative is the servant
  of the voter group, not its leader, there is no leader of the voter group.
  The voter group leads itself through its own majorities and who wants
  to join that group and is allowed to join it by those already in it.

                           Rights:

- You don't have to participate with anything. You don't have to be part
  of any voter group, you don't have to attend any meetings of your voter
  group if you want to be part of one, you can quit any and all voter
  groups at any time for unstated reasons.
- You can choose of what voter groups you don't want to be a part.
- There is no rule that says a voter group must consist of people in the
  same area, you can form a voter group from all across the nation if you
  want to.
- The voter group can elect another voter group administrator/housekeeper
  any moment.
- The voter group can elect another representative any moment.
- You can only be part of one group. If you try to be part of multiple
  groups you are guilty of voting fraud and this may not go unpunished.
- Voter groups are only an election model, the voter groups do not comprise
  production groups or socializing groups or fighting units of whatever else.
  Voter groups exercise political power in their own interest by
  influencing their representative. Note that the common interest is part
  of that interest.
- Every 5 years there is elections of delegates, all across the nation
  at the same time.
- A delegate must do what it has promised, or the Court can replace it.
- The proceedings of Government are public.
- The Government is obligated to follow the will of the people.
- A block can elect anyone as their representative, the delegate does not
  have to be part of that voter block or live in the area.

                           Referendum:

- By gathering 10% of signatures for a Referendum, the Referendum must be
  held. The non-votes in a referendum are given to the concerning council(s),
  where each delegate will get an equal share. The combined tally of the
  votes and taken over non-votes yields a binding decision. This decision
  can only be broken by another referendum having more votes, but the
  number of votes that is counted for a previous referendum is slowly
  lowered when time passes so that a Referendum that happened about 70
  years ago will have no greater power then a regular Government delegates
  decision. Also a two third amount of votes will break any previous
  referendum on the same issue. This system dynamically combines referendum
  power with representative power, where non-voters apparently choose to
  leave the issue to the representative system, who will then indeed
  actually vote those votes. The deterioration of the power of a previous
  Referendum means the future is not decided by the (distant) past, and
  eventually the power slowly comes back to the representatives.

                           Delegates:

- Delegates are to meet up with at least 50 to form a local council,
  the local council rules by its own majority on local issues. The
  local council is not sovereign, sovereignty lies at the national
  council, the supreme law court, etc. The local council does not own
  the homes of the people in its area, it does not issue its own
  money, it does not form its own army, it does not own the businesses
  in the area, and it may not have power over government activities
  and organizations that are doing work for a larger area.
- The elected delegates have a right to group in groups of 50 in
  larger or smaller areas, these 50 sections of delegates can all
  elect one representative, it must be someone
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 More options Nov 4, 2:21 am
Newsgroups: alt.politics.socialism, soc.culture.native
From: jos boersema <jo...@xs4all.nl>
Date: 04 Nov 2009 07:21:37 GMT
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 2:21 am
Subject: Re: voter group government, something to put through letterboxes
A bit more, inserted at the top:

On 2009-11-02, jos boersema <jo...@xs4all.nl> wrote:

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                   A new form of Government:

A new form of Government can be established, where people group in
small groups selecting a representative. These representatives combine
to form councils. Below is how this is to be achieved in actuality.
See also http://www.socialism.nl/~joshb/sheet2.txt for additional
ideas ...

                   Dividing into groups:

 - The women will take the lead.
 - The women will go to the houses if the people are inside.
 - The men will stand on one side and the women on the other, two
   groups. The men will attempt to remain calm.
 - The women will attempt to set up these voter groups properly.
   They will make proposals to the men, ask assistance of the
   men for certain tasks. The men will then reject or accept the
   proposals of the women and give the women their arguments. The
   women will then discuss that and see how to proceed.
 - If there is disagreement between the women then the oldest five
   women will form a committee of order and they are responsible for
   letting things go calmly and properly, whatever is decided.
 + In case these things happen with actual groups standing outside,
   it may be nice at some point if there is some drinks for everyone.
   Because when groups are outside either something good, or something
   bad may happen, but when everyone has something to drink how can
   something bad happen - then something good will happen. Everyone
   will calm down a bit, hopefully. Sharing a drink means friendship
   between all people. As a practical issue: bring your own cup out
   of your home ? In all the happenings it won't be nice if someone
   loses its cups by accident, or if people need to concern themselves
   with such logistics also on top of what might have to be done.
 - The men can constantly say yes or no, and give their arguments, and
   the women can constantly make new proposals. If there is no solution
   then the women can propose to go on another day, and go home.
 - If the men are unruly, the younger men must listen to the much older
   men as if they where their fathers and as if they where small children.
 - It is best to take enough time for everything and not to rush,
   because in the rush someone may feel oppressed and jump up, and that
   may cause others to jump up, and then because of the rushing everything
   may break down. When in doubt, stay calm and do nothing, or talk
   to the person next to you and don't scream and shout and whatever.
 - Some individual men should not think they should go and stand with
   the women because they think they can, they must all leave the women
   to do their thing. For a male to go stand there is to attempt to
   gain power and that is exactly the big problem with the men, more
   then with the women. By trying to stand with the women that man is
   rather proving he is exactly that kind of problem ! Just stand and
   wait on the women, remain calm. When the men are calm, they can be
   very smart and useful in the whole process, the women can use that.
 - This would all take place per block of homes roughly, so the women
   and men of these blocks will form groups of what are going to be
   the voter groups once the people are properly divided. That dividing
   and making up the groups is the role the women have. Once the groups
   are formed then they rule by their mixed majority of men and women.
   It is quite a simple task, but it can mean chaos/failure if it isn't
   being accomplished properly. The women should not feel rushed to
   accomplish it, they can take hours or days or even weeks to get it
   together: what they want.

 - Divide per 50 group houses in each street starting to count from
   house number 1. Usually: 1,2,3,...48,49,50. Then 51,52,53...99,100.
   Etc.
 - The remainder in a street that does not have at least 50 adults in

[...]
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 More options Nov 4, 7:23 am
Newsgroups: alt.politics.socialism
From: jos boersema <jo...@xs4all.nl>
Date: 04 Nov 2009 12:23:11 GMT
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 7:23 am
Subject: Re: voter group government, something to put through letterboxes
On 2009-11-04, jos boersema <jo...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
[...]

>  For all materials (all free), see http://www.socialism.nl (free
>  trade in labor, services and products, free dictatorial ownership
>  over entrepreneurial companies until the starter leaves and company
>  has 10 or more full time employees.)

A bit more, at the end:

                      Transition to new Government:

- The police and courts should remain in operation and enforce the
  laws. Presumably there are no laws that forbid people to combine
  and organize, but if they do exist they are to be broken. The police
  and courts could refer to natural law, respect for the people, or
  being overwhelmed.
- The police and the courts should remain in operation. The laws are
  not suspended at any time, the new Government will take over most
  laws without any moment of there being no laws. All laws remain
  standing unless the councils actively change them in due course of
  their protocol.
- If the new Government fails then the old Government continues as
  if nothing has happened.
- If the new Government succeeds there will be two Governments. It
  would not be the first time in history that has happened.
- That Government which organizes most people should be the ruling
  Government in case of conflicts. Ideally that type of Government
  that is not favored by the majority melts away and merges with
  the newly formed Government. Both politically, organizationally,
  and infrastructurally.
- It may be that for quite some time there are two Governments, or
  that there is disagreement about what Government represents the
  majority. This disagreement may not be taken away in case of a
  Referendum with a close result, or if there was some kind of
  manipulation happening (likely to be claimed anyway).
- If the new Government is not the commonly accepted ruling Government
  by clearly a large majority, they should probably do best to take on
  a cooperative and service oriented stance with respect to the other
  Government, without sacrificing their independence and the potential
  sovereignty inherent in the organization once completed. If the
  other Government takes a hostile stance, this may cost them their
  remaining credibility, it would be a matter of time until they melt
  away. Over time the new Government is likely to get its things in
  order and work smoothly, this should mean gaining credibility and
  therefore power. Playing nice and for the long term is therefore
  probably best, while attempting to behave like a true Government
  should, which can also be taken as practicing the new system. Power
  could come dancing into the quarters of the new Government because it
  wants to.
--
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From: jos boersema <jo...@xs4all.nl>
Date: 04 Nov 2009 12:46:12 GMT
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 7:46 am
Subject: Re: voter group government, something to put through letterboxes
On 2009-11-04, jos boersema <jo...@xs4all.nl> wrote:

- The new Government does not attempt to take over the buildings of
  the old Government, but either is not located in any particular
  building or if it wants to attempts to find another location. If
  the old Government wishes to vacate its buildings out of its free
  will, then these could become part of the governed public buildings
  under the new Government system.

                                                           It is best
  not to attempt to steer the councils into conflict with a persisting
  old Government. Both Governments may view each other as their own
  advice council.

>                                                            If the
>   other Government takes a hostile stance, this may cost them their
>   remaining credibility, it would be a matter of time until they melt
>   away. Over time the new Government is likely to get its things in
>   order and work smoothly, this should mean gaining credibility and
>   therefore power. Playing nice and for the long term is therefore
>   probably best, while attempting to behave like a true Government
>   should, which can also be taken as practicing the new system. Power
>   could come dancing into the quarters of the new Government because it
>   wants to.

- The old Government shouldn't be completely dissolved until it is
  absolutely clear the new Government is up to the task at hand.
  It should be possible to quickly reinstall the old system with its
  people, even in a few hours, as if nothing had happened, just in
  case.

--
http://www.socialism.nl/~joshb/sheet3.txt


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