Bad Cop / Bad Cop!

[Mr. K]

In article <4f5aaf44$0$5171$607e...@cv.net>, jigo <ret...@home.com>
wrote:

> 1. You have a Constitutional right not to talk to the police
> 2. The police are out to make arrest quotas, or at least the number of
> arrests looks good on their record; if they can manipulate you into
> saying something suspicious, it gives them an excuse to arrest you.
> 3. If you are a witness or know something about a crime, the police
> will often grill you for hours to get you to say what they want so
> they can get a conviction. Some examples are given below.
> 4. You have no obligation to report a crime to the police. Your only
> obligation is not to lie to them, but you can just remain silent.
> 5. Practically all lawyers recommend that their clients not talk to
> the police unless the lawyer is present.
>
> http://fightthelaw.org/policestate/10-things-to-remember-when-confronted-by-th
> e-police/
> http://governmentdirt.com/10_things_to_remember_when_confronted_by_the_police_
> avoid_the_bro_dont_tase_me_moment
>
> 10 Things to Remember When Confronted By The Police - Avoid the "Bro,
> Don't Tase Me" Moment!
>
> If you have a confrontation with the police - know your rights and
> know what you should or should not do to give them up. Just follow
> these 10 rules:
>
> 1. Don't Talk.
>
> Do not say a word to the officer. Just shut up! I cannot stress to you
> the importance of this rule. Do not talk! Do not attempt to convince
> the officer of your innocence. Everyone is innocent, no one should be
> arrested and no one should be in jail and that is all the officer
> hears all day every day. He / she does not care generally whether you
> are innocent or guilty and there is nothing that he / she can do at
> this point. Most times, when people speak to officers they say
> something that makes their situation far worse. Keep your mouth shut,
> there will be plenty of time to talk later.
>
> 2. Don't Run.
>
> I said above to listen to the officer and follow his / her
> instructions. Do not be scared and do not let the liquid courage, aka
> alcohol, convince you that you can outrun the twelve officers and
> helicopter that will track you down. Also, police become highly
> suspicious that someone running has a weapon and may be quick to draw
> their weapon. Additionally, when they do run you down expect much
> stronger force used to subdue a fleeing suspect.
>
> 3. Never Resist Arrest.
>
> Perhaps the most important thing not to do is touch the police officer
> at all! Again, sober up quick and follow what the officer says. Many
> people attempt to bump the officer or swat an officers hands away.
> This often falls under the assault statutes and now a minor
> misdemeanor arrest becomes a FELONY. Thus a reckless driving charge
> leads to a year or more in state prison. Additionally, touching the
> officer in any way can lead to a baton in the mouth.
>
> 4. Don't Believe the Police.
>
> It is perfectly legal for the police to lie to get you to make an
> admission. The police frequently separate two friends and tell one
> the other one ratted him / her out. Because of the lie, the other
> friend now rats the first friend out. Police and detectives also
> state that "it will be easier" to talk now...LIES!!! DON'T BELIEVE
> THIS BS! It will only be easier for the police to prove their case!
>
> 5. No Searching.
>
> Do not allow the police to search anywhere! If the police officer
> asks, they do not have the right to search and must have your
> consent. If you are asked make sure you proclaim to any witnesses
> that "You (the police) do not have consent to search." If they
> perform the search anyway, that evidence may be thrown out later.
> Also, if you consent to a search, the officers may find something
> that you had no idea you had placed somewhere, ie: marijuana left by
> a friend. Remember, that denying the police consent to search DOES NOT
> give them the probable cause they would need to conduct a search.
>
> 6. Don't Look At Places Where You Don't Want Police to Search.
>
> Police are trained to watch you and react to you. They know that you
> are nervous and scared and many people look to the areas that they
> don't want the police to search. Do not react to the search and do
> not answer any questions. LOOK DOWN AND KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!!!
>
> 7. Do Not Talk Shit to the Police.
>
> I don't care if you have been wrongly arrested and the true culprit is
> standing in front of you. Don't talk shit! Police hear all day that
> my dad is the Governor's Assistant's Intern and I will have your
> badge for this! Police have a lot of discretion in the upcoming
> charges brought. Police can add charges, change a misdemeanor to a
> felony, or even talk to the prosecutor that is ultimately prosecuting
> you.
>
> 8. If Police Come to Your Home, Do not Let Them In and Do Not Step
> Outside
> Your Home.
>
> If the police are confident you have committed a felony, they are
> coming in anyway, because they generally don't need an arrest
> warrant. Make it clear to the police by stating: "No you may not come
> in", or "I am comfortable talking right here", or "You need a search
> warrant to enter my home." If they return, your attorney can arrange
> for you to turn yourself in should that be necessary and you will
> spend no time in jail between the hearings.
>
> 9. Outside Your Home Arrested, Do Not Accept Offer to Go In Your Home for
> Anything.
>
> The officer may say to you, how about you go inside and change,
> freshen up, talk to your wife, husband, get a jacket, or any other
> reason. The police will graciously escort you in and then tear your
> home apart searching through it. Also, do not let them secure your
> car. Your car is fine. Remember they are lying to you. They don't
> give a damn if you are really cold or if you need to talk to your
> wife or husband.
>
> 10. Don't say a word.
>
> It's incredible how many people feel that they can convince the
> officer, the booking officer or a detective (if your case reaches
> that stature) that they are not guilty. YOUR CASE IS NOT DECIDED BY
> THESE PEOPLE. They have no affect on your records. Wait to speak to
> your lawyer! The courts give enormous weight to "confessions" during
> this stage. A suspect is almost NEVER released after being arrested.
>
> http://www.fightthefeds.com/shtml/tab20.shtml
> Mark Bennett, criminal defense lawyer
> Graduate, Rice University, University of Houston Law Center
> Member, National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers
> Don't talk to government agents.
>
> Almost everyone in prison is there because they talked to the cops.
> They thought they could explain; they thought they could help
> themselves; they wanted to tell the truth.
>
> When the police want to talk to you, it's not for your own good.
> They're not looking for evidence to clear you. They're looking for
> evidence against you. They're looking to twist whatever you say --
> true or false -- against you.
>
> The police tell you, "we're your friends, we can help. Make it easier
> on yourself. Confess now," so you confess, and go away for the maximum
> anyway. The police are not your friends.
>
> Or the police ask about a murder: "what do you know about it?" He
> says, "I was there, but I didn't do it." They ignore the denial, write
> down "he admits being there," and use that to convict him. The police
> only hear what they want to hear.
>
> Or the police ask about a robbery: "what do you know about the
> robbery?" You say, "I didn't do the robbery. I just sold the guy
> drugs." They charge you with dealing drugs, and you go to prison. The
> police are sneaky. They are allowed to lie to you to get a confession.
>
> You have a constitutional right not to talk to the police. That means
> that your refusal to talk can't be used against you. If you keep your
> mouth shut, nobody will legally be able to consider that in deciding
> whether you're guilty or not. (The cops may think you're guilty, but
> they think you're guilty anyway.)
>
> You also have a constitutional right to a lawyer. If you say, "I want
> a lawyer," the police are supposed to stop questioning you. Sometimes,
> though, they don't hear you demand a lawyer. So you have to tell them
> again. And again. And again:
>
> Cop: Where were you Tuesday night?
> You: I want a lawyer.
> Cop: You don't need a lawyer, do you?
> You: I want a lawyer.
> Cop: If you're not guilty, why do you need a lawyer?
> You: I want a lawyer.
> Cop: I can't do anything for you once you get a lawyer.
> You: I want a lawyer.
>
> And so on.
>
> If you've already talked to government agents, talk to a lawyer before
> talking any more. Cooperating with the government is like having sex
> with a gorilla -- you don't stop when you want to stop -- but if you
> started talking without consulting a lawyer, a lawyer can tell you if
> it is in your best interest to keep cooperating.
>
> If you have an appointment to talk to the police, don't go. Talk to a
> lawyer first. When the FBI (or DEA, or customs, or anyone else with a
> badge) comes calling, don't invite them in. Unless they have a
> warrant, bar the door. Pull the blinds. Call a lawyer right away. Even
> if it's the middle of the night, call me.
>
> After investigating the case and hearing the truth from you (never lie
> to your lawyer), your lawyer and you may decide you should talk to
> government agents. In very rare situations, this is a good decision.
> It should never be done without an investigation, and it should never
> be taken lightly.
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> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4097602514885833865#
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> Examples
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/thepolicedomoreharmthangood/
>
> http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/683419.html
>
> Witnesses say federal investigator pressured them to lie
>
> By MIKE MCGRAW
>
> (c)2008 The Kansas City Star
>
> Carie Neighbors said they threatened to take away her son. Jerry Rooks
> said they warned him he'd get a stiffer jail sentence. Alan Bethard
> said they charged him with a more serious crime.
>
> Now, those witnesses and up to 12 others - many speaking publicly for
> the first time - have told The Kansas City Star that a federal
> investigator in the firefighters' explosion case pressured them to lie.
>
> Five who testified in the case admit they lied to the federal grand
> jury that indicted the defendants or later at their trial. The other
> witnesses said they refused to change their stories.
>
> "You want me to fabricate some lies, and I don't want any part of it,"
> Dave Dawson said he told federal investigators in the case. "That's
> when they told me to have a good life in the penitentiary."
>
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> http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=321991
>
> Ex-Brown's worker accuses police of pressuring false confession
>
> By Christy Gutowski | Daily Herald Staff
>
> For years, Casey Haefs struggled with survivor's guilt for not being
> there that fateful night in 1993 when her two bosses and five
> co-workers were slain at the Palatine Brown's Chicken where she was a
> cashier.
>
> Haefs even told police about a frequent nightmare that haunted her
> sleep in which she is among the victims, but awakes just as the
> faceless assailant points the gun at her.
>
> But, Haefs testified Wednesday, police grew increasingly aggressive
> toward her in the next six years as they questioned her some two
> dozen times. Finally, during an eight-hour April 28, 1999,
> interrogation, Haefs said she broke and was pressured into concocting
> a false confession, admitting she was there as her boyfriend opened fire.
>
> "It was terrible," said Haefs, a 33-year-old Crystal Lake medical
> assistant. "They're screaming at you. They're in your face. They get
> you to question yourself. I've never experienced anything like that
> and hope never to again. Words can't ever describe what it was like."
>
> ...
>
> Haefs is the second defense witness to testify that overzealous police
> coerced a false confession. Earlier this week, John Simonek recalled
> how he, then 22, was pressured into turning his "vision" of the crime
> into a reality
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> http://reason.com/archives/2008/04/14/guilty-before-proven-innocent
>
> Reason.com
>
> Guilty Before Proven Innocent
>
> How police harassment, jailhouse snitches, and a runaway war on drugs
> imprisoned an innocent family
>
> Radley Balko from the May 2008 issue
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> http://orgs.sa.ucsb.edu/asian/mumia.html
>
> On Monday, March 10th, attorneys for Mumia Abu Jamal filed new legal
> papers centered on testimony from a former Philadelphia police
> informant by the name of Pamela Jenkins that gave further proof that
> police manipulated and pressured witnesses to give false testimony
> against Mumia Abu Jamal.
>
> Mumia Case Another 39th Precinct Frame up?
>
> Pamela Jenkins was the central government witness in the federal
> investigation in the corrupt 39th precinct scandal which saw hundreds
> of convictions overturned and people released due to revelation that
> police in the 39th District (precinct) in Philadelphia' had been
> guilty of gross corruption which included the framing of innocent
> people. Her testimony led to the conviction of six 39th District
> officers.
>
> In a signed statement to Mumia's attorneys in January, Pamela stated
> that police officer Tom Ryan, one of the convicted police, had
> pressured her to give false testimony against Mumia in the shooting
> of police officer Daniel Faulkner. In her affidavit Pamela, who is a
> former prostitute and girlfriend of Tom Ryan, states: " Tom Ryan,
> Richard Ryan and other police officers pressured me and asked me if I
> had seen the shooting of the police officer and whether I had been in
> the area of the shooting that night. When I said 'no' they pressured
> (me) some more and asked me was I really sure that I hadn't been on
> the street that night and seen the shooting. It was clear to me that
> Tom Ryan and Richard Ryan wanted me to perjure myself and say that I
> had seen Jamal shoot the police officer."
>
> In her affidavit, Pamela Jenkins also stated that the state's star
> witness against Mumia Abu Jamal during his trial in 1982, Cynthia
> White, was also subject to police coercion to make her give false
> testimony against Mumia. She states,
>
> I know that Cynthia White worked as a prostitute in the Center City
> area, specifically at Locust and 13th Street, during 1980 and 1981
> and that she was a prostitute, police informant and turned tricks for
> police officers in the district.... During the same period of time,
> Cynthia White told me that she was afraid of the police and that the
> police were trying to get her to say something about the shooting.
> Lucky [Cynthia White] also told me that she had been threatened with
> her life by a police officer because of the Jamal case.
>
> In the legal papers filed by Mumia's attorneys with the Pennsylvania
> Supreme Court it states, "in the days after the shooting, [White] was
> arrested at least twice for prostitution. Her picture was posted in
> the 6th District with instructions for arresting officers to 'Contact
> Homicide'. Each time police picked White up and took her statement,
> she revised her story [on Faulkner's shooting]. Without explanation,
> bench warrants against her were not prosecuted."
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> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/10/3/224650/970
>
> In the early hours of August 19, 1989, a fight broke out near a Burger
> King restaurant in Savannah, Georgia, between a homeless man, Larry
> Young, and another man, who struck Mr. Young with his pistol. A
> 27-year old police officer, Mark Allen MacPhail, attempted to break
> up the fight, but was shot dead by the man with the gun, who then
> fled the scene.
>
> About two years later, Troy Davis was convicted of the murder of Mark
> MacPhail and sentenced to death. The evidence against him consisted
> of seven eye-witnesses to the murder and two witnesses who claimed
> that Davis later confessed the murder to them. There was no other
> evidence, as the murder weapon was never found.
>
> However, of the nine witnesses, seven subsequently recanted their
> testimony in written affidavits. One of the two who has not recanted
> his story has subsequently been identified as the murderer by new
> evidence.
>
> The police put me in a small room and some detectives came in and
> started yelling at me, telling me that I knew that Troy
> Davis...killed that officer by the Burger King. I told them that... I
> didn't see Troy do nothing. They got real mad when I said this and
> started getting in my face. They were telling me that I was an
> accessory to murder and that I would pay like Troy was gonna pay if I
> didn't tell them what they wanted to hear. They told me that I would
> go to jail for a long time and I would be lucky if I ever got out...
> I was only sixteen and was so scared of going to jail...
>
> I told them that it was Red and not Troy who was messing with that
> man, but they didn't want to hear that... After a couple of hours of
> the detectives yelling at me and threatening me, I finally broke down
> and told them what they wanted to hear. They would tell me things
> that they said had happened and I would repeat whatever they said.
>
> I testified against Troy at his trial. I remember that I told the jury
> that Troy hit the man that Red was arguing with. That is not true. I
> never saw Troy do anything to the man. I said this at the trial
> because I was still scared that the police would throw me in jail for
> being an accessory to murder if I told the truth about what happened.
> Larry Young was the homeless man whom Davis allegedly pistol whipped
> before
> shooting MacPhail. Here are excerpts from his affidavit
>
> " Some police officers grabbed me and threw me down on the hood of
> the police car and handcuffed me. They treated me like a criminal,
> like I was the one who killed the officer... They just locked me in
> the back of the police car for the next hour or so. I kept yelling
> that I needed to be treated but they didn't pay me no mind.
>
> They then took me to the police station and interrogated me for
> three hours. I kept asking them to treat my head, but they wouldn't.
> They kept asking me what had happened... and I kept telling them that
> I didn't know. Everything happened so fast down there. I couldn't
> honestly remember what anyone looked like... The cops didn't want to
> hear that and kept pressing me to give them answers. They made it
> clear that we weren't leaving until I told them what they wanted to
> hear.
>
> They suggested answers and I would give them what they wanted.
> They put
> typed papers in my face and told me to sign them. I did sign them without
> reading them."
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> The police who engage in such practices always get off without
> recriminations. The issue is whether police investigators have total
> immunity from being sued for giving false testimony before a grand
> jury is now being considered by the Supreme Court.
> http://www.npr.org/2011/11/01/141879836/supreme-court-to-weigh-case-of-false-t
> estimony

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