Copenhagen snow - big business control of the weather!
Steve Wallis
change sceptics (deniers), quite possibly affecting the final outcome
- a very weak deal without legally binding emission cuts.
So was the snow just a random event? In my opinion, no! There is
planning, including computer modelling of the world, by organisations
with various agendas competing for control of the planet, and part of
this planning involves supposedly natural events such as the weather.
It is not a question of whether such modelling takes place, but as to
which forces in the world are dominant and to what extent they control
society; when there is so much at stake, things don't happen by
accident. The tsunami in the Indian Ocean on Boxing Day 2005 was
closest to Aceh in Indonesia and Sri Lanka, both of which had strong
national liberation movements, perhaps with the intention of cutting
across them by engineering moods of national unity. An earthquake
shortly afterwards was nearest Aceh.
I have held such a view of computer modelling for some time, as
encapsulated by my poem "The World Is Planned" (http://
galaxiamusic.org/lyrics/planned-4.html), which has the following
chorus:
Can you understand
That the world is planned?
But free will has a hand
In the struggle for every land
I have argued for society being primarily a struggle between people
who have primarily good intentions (are altruistic), and want a more
harmonious, united and peaceful world and those with mainly bad
intentions (are selfish) who want a continuation of the world's
problems (which of course includes global warming although I don't
think even they would want the extinction of humanity since being
selfish includes caring about your descendents). In newer versions of
my New Good Intentions Manifesto (http://socialiststeve.me.uk/good-
intentions-manifesto.html), I recognised that Marxist ideas of class
are also correct to a certain extent, with working class people
tending to be more altruistic than big businesspeople. I'd now
emphasise more the struggle between those with a socialist agenda and
those with a capitalist one, with good or bad intentions influencing
people's dedication to a particular cause.
In more recent versions of the poem, I put "They control the weather"
in the past tense, since the economic crisis has restricted the
ability of the forces of big business to control events in the world.
However, big business has survived the crisis and seems to be in a
stronger position internationally than I realised.
On the other hand, the political situation has been transformed
somewhat in a socialist direction in Britain, with Labour more
prepared to attack the rich (on bankers' bonuses and advocating a tax
on financial transactions) and with its manifesto at the next general
election including democratic workers' and users' control of public
services (see http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/nov/11/labour-manifesto-public-services-sector).
However, Labour respects property rights and stands for socialism
without the fundamental redistribution of wealth that revolutionaries
call for (just as Latin American governments have let capitalist
corporations continue). The rhetoric reflects the change in the Labour
Party with prime minister Gordon Brown saying "we cannot permit the
politics of narrow self-interest to prevent a policy for human
survival" in Copenhagen.
I have argued that the main strategy employed by big business to stay
in control of the world is divide-and-rule, including on climate
change with some people more willing to make personal sacrifices to
help combat global warming than others. We (socialists) should
encourage renewable sources of energy to cut across this. We should
also point out that, even though natural processes like sun spots
sometimes affect temperatures more than human beings, glaciers and ice
at the poles are melting to a large extent, so it is clear that global
warming is a real problem that needs to be resolved - and hopefully
will be by a new global treaty in a much better mainly socialist
world, in the near future.
It seems that the main thing holding up a strong global climate deal
is the fact that the struggle between socialists and capitalists is on-
going and yet to be resolved; we should redouble our efforts to change
the world in order to prevent millions from dying as a result of
global warming.
--
Steve Wallis (Manchester, England)
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jh
Dave, you were wrong. You think nobody ever listens to Vangelis here?
See, he has won a convert.
-jh-
On Dec 19, 3:14 pm, Steve Wallis
> services (seehttp://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/nov/11/labour-manifesto-public...).
> Preferred email addresses: socialistste...@yahoo.co.uk,
> revolutionarysocialistst...@yahoo.co.uk
> Super-blog:http://www.twitter.com/socialiststeven
> Other blogs:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/steve-wallis-socialist-blog,http://blog.myspace.com/galaxiasteve
> My socialist website:http://www.socialiststeve.me.uk[ Indian mirror
> (containing same files but without publicly viewable statistics):http://www.socialiststeve.in]
> My pages at Facebook:http://www.facebook.com/socialiststeve, MySpace:http://www.myspace.com/galaxiasteveand Bebo:http://www.bebo.com/SteveW519
> Founder, Foundation for Proportional Representation-based Socialism:http://www.PRsocialism.org
> Founder, Revolutionary Platform Network:http://www.revolutionaryplatform.net
> My revolutionary socialist band, Galaxia:http://www.galaxiamusic.net,http://www.myspace.com/galaxiamusic,http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galaxia-a-revolutionary-socialist-band/...,http://www.bebo.com/galaxiamusic
> My socialist band, Red Day:http://www.red-day.net,http://www.myspace.com/reddayband,http://www.facebook.com/pages/Red-Day/27468311341
nada
DW
srd
> Well, well, what do you know.
>
> Dave, you were wrong. You think nobody ever listens to Vangelis here?
> See, he has won a convert.
A convert? Are you joking? Wallis is obviously an arch-"Globalist,"
who is using conspiratorial weather change to oppose conspiratorial
climate-change "pseudo-science." He's proof of my conjecture that the
*written* ravings of a madman are indistinguishable from the rantings
of a peasant (or pseudo-peasant), but while vngelis is a fascist,
Wallis is a reformist.
srd
jh
> On Dec 19, 10:14 pm, jh <jhsherl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Well, well, what do you know.
>
> > Dave, you were wrong. You think nobody ever listens to Vangelis here?
> > See, he has won a convert.
>
> A convert? Are you joking? Wallis is obviously an arch-"Globalist,"
> who is using conspiratorial weather change to oppose conspiratorial
> climate-change "pseudo-science."
A rotten bloc, then.
-jh-
Vngelis
This is the David Icke school of thought. As he says things we do,
therefore
we are characterised as loony. Dont you think the state itself will
create a whole
host of characters who will say correct things in order then to make
them disreputable?
The example of MI5 David Shayler comes to mind who got big on 9/11
then said he
was the re-incarnation of... Jesus.
vngelis
macphineas
> A rotten bloc, then.
>
> -jh-
More like separate, but equally delusional.
macphineas
Vngelis
stick to the main text sold by the mass media.
Why let facts get in the way of a good fairy tale?
vngelis
srd
Wallace is a known berserker, and he's the only one here who believes
in your weather-change conspiracy, which is supposed to save your
climate change conspiracy. I said it proves that when a peasant is
given a keyboard, you can't tell the difference from a lunatic.
srd
Vngelis
His brother is a middle level SWP member.
As I know them I also know how the state operates.
Try selling it to someone who doesn't know, who will believe
in lunatics, 'terrorists', and nasty ...Arabs.
I left primary school a long time ago and have no intention of
going back or hanging about in the school yard talking shit.
vngelis
srd
All you peasants do is talk shit.
srd
> vngelis
srd
> On 21 Dec, 07:56, srd <srdiam...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Dec 20, 11:32 pm, Vngelis <meberr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On 21 Dec, 01:19, macphineas <macphine...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Dec 20, 1:29 pm, jh <jhsherl...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > A rotten bloc, then.
>
> > > > > -jh-
>
> > > > More like separate, but equally delusional.
>
> > > > macphineas
>
> > > stick to the main text sold by the mass media.
> > > Why let facts get in the way of a good fairy tale?
>
> > Wallace is a known berserker, and he's the only one here who believes
> > in your weather-change conspiracy, which is supposed to save your
> > climate change conspiracy. I said it proves that when a peasant is
> > given a keyboard, you can't tell the difference from a lunatic.
>
> > srd
>
> His brother is a middle level SWP member.
> As I know them I also know how the state operates.
There's a good peasant non sequitur for you.
> Try selling it to someone who doesn't know, who will believe
> in lunatics,
A lunatic denier? Part of the anti-psychiatry crowd? Well, even if you
abstractly deny the existence of mental illness, only a peasant could
NOT see the Wallis poster's lunacy. [Or does the non sequitur go you
he's not crazy because you know his family. Everything's possible for
a peasant.
srd
srd
srd
turncoat.
srd
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>
>
> > vngelis
dusty
My mind on the question is not at all closed: we live and learn. There
is one proviso: that where we are talking about large scale and energy
requiring processes that the fundamental of the Laws of Thermodynamics
apply. An example would be that known and operable triggering and
cascading mechanisms pertain where energy inputs are small relative to
the effect. That is conceptually possible. Just think of the H-bomb -
without the three decade conditioning following on from Einstein's
Special Relativity no one would have believed in the claimed cause of
Hiroshima/Nagasaki.
Scientists at the Lawrence Livermore laboratory have proposed
technological solutions as a several orders of magnitude cheaper
solution to "global warming" than carbon abatement, which they
presumably postulate as working.
Vngelis
> On Dec 21, 6:56 pm, srd <srdiam...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Dec 20, 11:32 pm, Vngelis <meberr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On 21 Dec, 01:19, macphineas <macphine...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Dec 20, 1:29 pm, jh <jhsherl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > A rotten bloc, then.
>
> > > > > -jh-
>
> > > > More like separate, but equally delusional.
>
> > > > macphineas
>
> > > stick to the main text sold by the mass media.
> > > Why let facts get in the way of a good fairy tale?
>
> > Wallace is a known berserker, and he's the only one here who believes
> > in your weather-change conspiracy, which is supposed to save your
> > climate change conspiracy. I said it proves that when a peasant is
> > given a keyboard, you can't tell the difference from a lunatic.
>
> > srd
>
> My mind on the question is not at all closed: we live and learn.
There was a book once called the Closing of the American Mind.
An apt description of the US globalists.
Not everyone has your standards of operation or indeed seeks to.
Their life is settled all is well.
vngelis
macphineas
Just so you know, that book was written by a gay, politically
conservative American Jew who died of AIDS. Not that you seem to have
any qualms about who you buddy up with...
macphineas
srd
srd
nada
Irish lesbian. Hates guns. She bushwhacked conservative actor Tom
Selleck on her now off the air TV show about 6 years ago on his
support for gun rights.
macphineas
If that's true, that might actually be his worst trait...
macphineas
jh
hmmm... is that an accusation against Wallis?
-jh-
jh
That does sound rather like an accusation that Wallis is a cop, and
the SWP are too.
Care to clarify?
-jh-
jh
The author of the book is a pro-imperialist reactionary.
-jh-
macphineas
Don't forget about David Icke; what's your evidence that he's a state
agent? Is he working for MI5 or MI6? Or the Rothschilds? Or maybe
the British monarchy itself, since he hates it so much?
macphineas
macphineas
The author was Allan Bloom, a tendentious literary gadfly and
university professor. While reactionary fits, I'm not sure he ever
came out as a pro-imperialist. And he's been dead for nearly 20
years.
macphineas
macphineas
She's a liberal with the most obnoxious New Yawk accent I've ever
heard. And in love with Tom Cruise.
Speaking of this, what's your position on gun rights, Dave?
macphineas
jh
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He stayed in the closet, but I think it was pretty obvious. Didn't
know he's been dead that long, or even that he was dead at all come to
think of it.
-jh-
macphineas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Bloom
His focus was always on maintaining that old-boy elitist ivory tower
academic life that he loved so much; he was born a working-class Jew,
but found his home in upper-crust WASP circles, rubbing elbows with
such luminaries as Bill Buckley. Frankly, I think such a man was
probably too shallow to ever worry about such trifling matters as
politics or economics.
Being from California, where there really isn't much cultural envy as
such, I've never understood the attraction that patrician society
holds.
macphineas
Vngelis
Yeah but the title somes you lot up...
vngelis
Vngelis
Worked for the BBC.
What about David Shayler and his 'girlfriend' who ran the British 9/11
forum site?
Half the leaders of all groups including your one are working for the
state.
If its indirect they are stupid...
vngelis
jh
He hung out with the Buckleys, the Buckley types loved his book, and
wanted to purge academia of all those who didn't. Whether he himself
ever gave any thought to politics or economics is almost irrelevant.
His book was a political tool in academia, against all those academics
who thought things that the Buckleys do not like. Especially those who
didn't like imperialism, racism, etc.
Bloom was essentially the philosopher of the neo-cons, quite a few of
whom came from backgrounds similar to Bloom's.
For more on this, read about the huge donnybrook in American academia
in the Nineties over the Enola Gay Hiroshima exhibit.
>
> Being from California, where there really isn't much cultural envy as
> such, I've never understood the attraction that patrician society
> holds.
>
> macphineas
An honest-to-God native Californian? I guess they are not as rare as
they used to be.
-jh-
jh
I confess my iggorance.
Who the heck are these Davids, Icke and Shayler and whatnot? And does
the fact that the first name is Jewish have anything to do with this?
-jh-
Vngelis
David Shayler
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1200089/Call-Delores-says-MI5-whistleblower-David-Shayler.html
http://www.mi5.com/security/mi5org/shayler.htm
Became the unnoficial leader of the 9/11 truth movement...
David Icke
http://www.davidicke.com/index.php/
Annie Machon
http://www.anniemachon.com/about.html
Most of those in the public eye given media time are state agents.
SiRgunD once tried to argue we dont live in Orwellian times cos the
media is independent, yet owned centrally by 4-5 mega corporations.
All your political views over the years are identical.
vngelis
srd
> Became the unnoficial leader of the 9/11 truth movement...
>
> David Ickehttp://www.davidicke.com/index.php/
>
>
> Most of those in the public eye given media time are state agents.
> SiRgunD once tried to argue we dont live in Orwellian times cos the
> media is independent, yet owned centrally by 4-5 mega corporations.
You made the part up about the "media being independent." But your
position is now not just that times are as Orwell described in 1984
but like they're depicted in the move "The Matrix." Seen that one,
peasant?
srd
Vngelis
>
> > David Ickehttp://www.davidicke.com/index.php/
>
> > Annie Machonhttp://www.anniemachon.com/about.html
>
> > Most of those in the public eye given media time are state agents.
> > SiRgunD once tried to argue we dont live in Orwellian times cos the
> > media is independent, yet owned centrally by 4-5 mega corporations.
>
> You made the part up about the "media being independent." But your
> position is now not just that times are as Orwell described in 1984
> but like they're depicted in the move "The Matrix." Seen that one,
> peasant?
>
> srd
You sell the men in cave theory of the war on terrorism not myself.
Even after Foreign Ministers of Labour organisations came out to
expose them.
Your fake concern regarding dues are exactly that fake.
When more serious issues are exposed and people die in mysterious
circumstances it is as it is sold by the mass media.
Years ago I would have defined someone like yourself as an appendage.
Now you are just connected, by an umbilical cord to the mega
corporations
who in unison sell the same line, be it on swine flu, terrorism,
multiculturalism,
etc.
vngelis
macphineas
> He hung out with the Buckleys, the Buckley types loved his book, and
> wanted to purge academia of all those who didn't. Whether he himself
> ever gave any thought to politics or economics is almost irrelevant.
> His book was a political tool in academia, against all those academics
> who thought things that the Buckleys do not like. Especially those who
> didn't like imperialism, racism, etc.
No doubt it was, and he certainly inspired such luminaries as Daniel
Pipes and David Horowitz. But it's easy to overstate the importance
of political struggles within academia, especially for an academic.
Bloom wasn't a Buckley or a Kristol--he was just a conservative
gadfly, not a frothing-at-the-mouth imperialist ideologist.
>
> Bloom was essentially the philosopher of the neo-cons, quite a few of
> whom came from backgrounds similar to Bloom's.
But he didn't go as far as the others, especially since he never made
an issue of Israel, like the neocons do, none more so than
Krauthammer.
>
> For more on this, read about the huge donnybrook in American academia
> in the Nineties over the Enola Gay Hiroshima exhibit.
http://www.doug-long.com/letter.htm
This exhibit?
>
> > Being from California, where there really isn't much cultural envy as
> > such, I've never understood the attraction that patrician society
> > holds.
>
> > macphineas
>
> An honest-to-God native Californian? I guess they are not as rare as
> they used to be.
>
> -jh-
More common than any other, and now that Cali has net emigration to
other states, you'll likely see more around, in different places.
macphineas
PS This reminded me of something:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYymnxoQnf8
Who does that guy on the left remind you of?
philip....@ntlworld.com
news:ed145373-1462-438a...@u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> The snow yesterday in Copenhagen undoubtedly gave a boost to climate
> change sceptics (deniers), quite possibly affecting the final outcome
> - a very weak deal without legally binding emission cuts.
Well the issue isn't whether the climate is changing since it has been doing
that for eons. The issue is whether or not we are between ice ages or
between tropical weather and a past ice age.
Many years ago Wales had a Mediterranean climate, then it entered a much
colder period and is now temperate.
Why don't we all agree that we don't know what will happen in the future,
whether that be another ice age or a furnace and accept that no matter what
we need to have a plan for both since there are no options to leave Earth.
Phil
dusty
the Sun!
The whole "Wicked-Man Caused Global Warming" beat-up is about CONTROL
and big money for the cosmopolitan and parasitic Money Power which
ought to be removed from the face of the Earth, it having already half
destroyed numerous nations and is working hard to do the same to the
rest.