Re: Is Israel at war or not?
Peter Foldes
news:7km157thu2vr5kam4...@Osama-is-dead.net...
> What the fuck is it with these two? It's more like the Hatfield-McCoy
> Feud than anything. If Mexico was lobbing shells on Laredo, TX; we'd be
> sending cruise missiles into Mexico City and annexing Northern Mexico.
From the time that is known there was never peace or will there be peace in that
area of the world. It is a non stop conflict that will never end. Neither side will
give
JS
~BD~
> world-scale soon.
ARMAGEDDON
REVELATION 9:16
THE WARRIORS COMETH
by Dee Finney
WWI 40 million - WWII 88 million - Rev 9:16 - WWIII - 200 million
Explore here! :-) http://www.greatdreams.com/rev916.htm
Dustin
> Something has to give, or this thing is going to explode on a
> world-scale soon.
Depending on who you ask, that seems to be the idea... yes...
Something about religious end times or other nonsense...
--
I am a sinner
Hold my prayers upto the sun
I am a sinner
Heaven's closed for what I've done.
~BD~
> G. Morgan<seal...@osama-is-dead.net> wrote in
> news:fku157tulnfu13psl...@Osama-is-dead.net:
>
>> Peter Foldes wrote:
>>
>>> "G. Morgan"<seal...@osama-is-dead.net> wrote in message
>>> news:7km157thu2vr5kam4...@Osama-is-dead.net...
>>>
>>>> What the fuck is it with these two? It's more like the
>>>> Hatfield-McCoy Feud than anything. If Mexico was lobbing shells
>>>> on Laredo, TX; we'd be sending cruise missiles into Mexico City
>>>> and annexing Northern Mexico.
>>>
>>>
>> > From the time that is known there was never peace or will there be
>>> peace in that area of the world. It is a non stop conflict that will
>>> never end. Neither side will give
>>
>>
>> Something has to give, or this thing is going to explode on a
>> world-scale soon.
>
> Depending on who you ask, that seems to be the idea... yes...
> Something about religious end times or other nonsense...
>
>
The Bible tells us that one massive army will come from the North . . .
Russia, a second army will come from the East . . . China. The third
army will come from Ethiopia , Israel, Saudi Arabia, Great Britain, and
the U.S.A.
The war will take place in Israel. The book of Ezekiel, Chapter 39 tells
us in numerous verses that the war will be there. It couldn't have
happened prior to 1948 because there was no country of Israel until
then. There has for many centuries been an anti-semetic force. Jews are
leaving Russia by the thousands and moving to the United States.
Remember the Holocaust! In the United States, there is tremendous
anti-semetism by many groups.
This will be a nuclear war. See 2nd Peter 3:10 - "The day of the Lord
will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass
away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat,
the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Nothing else can cause this kind of heat and destruction but nuclear or
atomic weapons.
Ref: The link I posted in my reply to G. Morgan
Peter Foldes
> Peter Foldes wrote:
>
>>"G. Morgan" <seal...@osama-is-dead.net> wrote in message
>>news:7km157thu2vr5kam4...@Osama-is-dead.net...
> Something has to give, or this thing is going to explode on a
> world-scale soon.
Yeah,something is going to give soon but I do not think it will be on a world-scale.
The old west vs. east or the other way around will come into play at some point
though
JS
Aardvark
> I don't know what will happen, but Israel is not going to tolerate this
> much longer. They may decide to drive the Palestinians out of Gaza
> altogether, which will enrage all Muslim nations.
The Israelis been practising that kind of ethnic cleansing for years. The
peaceful resistance in which those who support the Palestinian cause have
been indulging of recent years will work much better than militarily
engaging the Israelis ever did.
Its results thus far have shown the Israelis to lack any moral basis for
their 'cause'. They respond to peaceful protest in exactly the same was
as their neighbour, Assad, does.
--
"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask
why are they poor, they call me a Communist."
- Hélder Pessoa Câmara, Archbishop of Olinda and Recife, Brazil
Aardvark
> Aardvark wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 11:02:33 -0500, G. Morgan wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know what will happen, but Israel is not going to tolerate
>>> this much longer. They may decide to drive the Palestinians out of
>>> Gaza altogether, which will enrage all Muslim nations.
>>
>>The Israelis been practising that kind of ethnic cleansing for years.
>
> That's a pretty strong phrase to use.
>
Strong, but true.
>> The
>>peaceful resistance in which those who support the Palestinian cause
>>have been indulging of recent years will work much better than
>>militarily engaging the Israelis ever did.
>
> They don't have a military option.
>
If by 'they' you mean the Palestinians, you're kind of right. They
certainly don't have access to the vast quantities of state-of-the-art
weapons that their oppressors have. Nevertheless, they and their
supporters bravely struggle on with what they have, which is, more and
more these days, peaceful resistance and civil disobedience.
>>Its results thus far have shown the Israelis to lack any moral basis for
>>their 'cause'. They respond to peaceful protest in exactly the same was
>>as their neighbour, Assad, does.
>
> Indeed, promises were broken; and still are.
Did you know that, in the New Year, I made a financial donation in BD's
name to a Palestinian support group? I don't think he was as impressed by
my largesse on his behalf as he might have been had I donated to a cause
less worthy.
~BD~
> ~BD~ wrote:
>
>> The Bible tells us that one massive army will come from the North . . .
>> Russia, a second army will come from the East . . . China. The third
>> army will come from Ethiopia , Israel, Saudi Arabia, Great Britain, and
>> the U.S.A.
>>
>> The war will take place in Israel. The book of Ezekiel, Chapter 39 tells
>> us in numerous verses that the war will be there. It couldn't have
>> happened prior to 1948 because there was no country of Israel until
>> then. There has for many centuries been an anti-semetic force. Jews are
>> leaving Russia by the thousands and moving to the United States.
>> Remember the Holocaust! In the United States, there is tremendous
>> anti-semetism by many groups.
>>
>> This will be a nuclear war. See 2nd Peter 3:10 - "The day of the Lord
>> will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass
>> away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat,
>> the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
>> Nothing else can cause this kind of heat and destruction but nuclear or
>> atomic weapons.
>
> someone's interpretation of words, words that have been bastardized and
> used to manipulate men in every conceivable way for ~1700 years.
>
> That's 1700 years out of 200,000 years humans have been on Earth, about
> .85%. Where did God send the other 99.15% of humans that came before
> Christ?
>
> Here's another one for the hard-line Christians:
>
> The CIA Factbook,
> https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/xx.html
>
> puts the world percentage of Christians at 33.35%. If only Christians
> go to heaven, what happens to the other 66.65%? Am I to believe that
> God only wants to save a third of His children's souls?
>
> You can't even walk into a bookstore and find less than 5 versions of
> the Bible. It's not meant to be some magical future-telling device.
>
>
Aardvark wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 11:02:33 -0500, G. Morgan wrote:
>
>> I don't know what will happen, but Israel is not going to tolerate this
>> much longer. They may decide to drive the Palestinians out of Gaza
>> altogether, which will enrage all Muslim nations.
>
> The Israelis been practising that kind of ethnic cleansing for years. The
> peaceful resistance in which those who support the Palestinian cause have
> been indulging of recent years will work much better than militarily
> engaging the Israelis ever did.
>
> Its results thus far have shown the Israelis to lack any moral basis for
> their 'cause'. They respond to peaceful protest in exactly the same was
> as their neighbour, Assad, does.
The terrorist attack in southern Israel on August 18 in which eight
Israelis were killed – six civilians and two from the security forces –
was initiated and executed by the Palestinian terrorist organization
known as the “Popular Resistance Committees,” which operate as a
terrorist arm of Hamas.
The operation represents a change in the approach of Hamas toward the
issue of the “Arab Spring,” from acting only passively as an observer,
limiting itself to damage control, to an entirely new stance in an
attempt to reshape reality in the Middle East.
The Popular Resistance Committees were established at the beginning of
the Second Intifada at the end of September 2000 by Jamal Abu Samhadana,
who brought together under his command former officers who served in the
Palestinian security services as well as activists from Fatah,
Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the Popular Front for the Liberation of
Palestine, and other groups. The ideology of the Popular Resistance
Committees is based on an extremist version of Islamism, which places
the organization in the same category as Hamas, Palestinian Islamic
Jihad, and even al-Qaeda. The Popular Resistance Committees were
responsible for the October 2003 bombing attack on a U.S. convoy in Gaza
in which three American security personnel were killed. Their leadership
believes that both “resistance in all its aspects” and “jihad as the way
of Allah” are the only paths to liberate all of Palestine.
Islam, in their view, is seen as the solution, or even a cure, for all
the problems of the Palestinian people. The leadership of the Popular
Resistance Committees believes that both “resistance in all its aspects”
and “jihad as the way of Allah” are the only paths to liberate all of
Palestine. Hizbullah is perceived, in this context, as an exemplar model
of how to wage the struggle against Israel.
The ideological affinity between the Popular Resistance Committees and
Hamas is also expressed through a strategic alliance which includes
close operational and political cooperation in recent years. The Popular
Resistance Committees backed the Hamas demand to hold Palestinian
parliamentary elections, as planned, in 2006 and supported their
religious approach which sought legal justifications for participating
in the elections. During the election campaign, the Popular Resistance
Committees stood on the side of Hamas and their activists were
instructed to assist Hamas with its propaganda on behalf of candidates
for Hamas’ Change and Reform list.
In the security arena, their strategic alliance was expressed through
the appointment of Jamal Abu Samhadana as general supervisor of the
Ministry of the Interior and National Security, with responsibility for
the security forces in the Gaza Strip. The Popular Resistance Committees
joined forces with Hamas and Jaish al-Islam (the Army of Islam), which
is identified with al-Qaeda, in order to conduct an attack in June 2006
on Israeli forces inside Israel, just north of Gaza, in which IDF
soldier Gilad Shalit was kidnapped.
Jaish al-Islam was involved in the kidnapping of foreign journalists,
including Alan Johnston of the BBC and two journalists from Fox News. It
has also been accused recently by senior Egyptian officials of
organizing attacks in Egypt for al-Qaeda, including a suicide bombing
attack on a Coptic Church in Alexandria in January 2011, which killed
twenty-five people.
Hamas security forces accepted into their ranks many activists from the
Popular Resistance Committees, some of whom became senior officers. In
all the military confrontations with Israel, including the Gaza
Operation in 2009, operatives of the Popular Resistance Committees
fought shoulder-to-shoulder alongside Hamas forces.
In recent years, the Sinai Peninsula has provided Palestinian terrorist
organizations with a base for the transfer of weapons to Gaza and for
infiltrating Israel for operational purposes or for building up a
terrorist infrastructure in the West Bank for attacks on Israel. In
October 2005, Israeli security forces stopped a terrorist unit near
Mitzpe Rimon which included three senior operatives from the Popular
Resistance Committees. The unit had traveled from Gaza through Sinai and
was headed for Jenin in the West Bank, where it planned to link up with
the terrorist infrastructure in the city. Its goal was to build up its
operational capabilities in the West Bank, including the manufacture of
high-trajectory weaponry such as rockets and mortars.
The responsibility for the recent attack in southern Israel belongs to
Hamas, which employs various terrorist wings and provides them with
sanctuary in its territory, including those that identify with al-Qaeda,
like Jaish al-Islam. At the root of this policy are both tactical and
strategic considerations. The combined attack that the Popular
Resistance Committees conducted along the Egyptian-Israeli border was
intended to cause mass casualties among Israeli civilians and perhaps
was supposed to involve the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers and civilians.
Moreover, Hamas hopes to escalate the confrontation with Israel in order
to influence the direction of the popular revolts in the Arab world and
direct them to the issue of Palestine. Hamas sees the “Arab Spring” as
an enormous opportunity to recruit the Arab masses against the pragmatic
Arab regimes in order to force them to adopt a more anti-Israel policy.
The operation in southern Israel sets the stage for a broad-based
military escalation in Gaza during the month of Ramadan that could
create shockwaves across the Arab world, where leaders are already
having a difficult time dealing with the popular revolts of recent months.
This Hamas policy replicates that of the Muslim Brotherhood, which is
the parent organization of Hamas. The Muslim Brotherhood stresses the
need to exploit the “Arab Spring” for mobilizing the masses to overthrow
the Arab regimes as the first step towards liberating Palestine. After
the fall of Mubarak, coordination between Hamas and the Muslim
Brotherhood has grown. Khaled Mashaal, the head of the Hamas political
bureau, was just in Cairo meeting with the head of the Egyptian Muslim
Brotherhood, Muhammad Badi’.
In summary, the “Arab Spring” could become for Israel a “Security
Autumn,” as the skies darken due to regional developments.
~BD~
>
> Did you know that, in the New Year, I made a financial donation in BD's
> name to a Palestinian support group? I don't think he was as impressed by
> my largesse on his behalf as he might have been had I donated to a cause
> less worthy.
You had no right to do that, cunt.
Aardvark
< SNIP RIGHT-WING BOLLOCKS>
> In summary, the “Arab Spring” could become for Israel a “Security
> Autumn,” as the skies darken due to regional developments.
Good, cunt. Not before time.
Aardvark
For once, there was something good done in your name, cunt.
Aardvark
> Aardvark wrote:
>
>>Did you know that, in the New Year, I made a financial donation in BD's
>>name to a Palestinian support group? I don't think he was as impressed
>>by my largesse on his behalf as he might have been had I donated to a
>>cause less worthy.
>
> LMAO... you did not!
>
> did you ??
Yup.
Every year, SWMBO and I make a short list each of which charities we will
donate to as often as possible during the coming twelve months. Two
causes on my list, among others, were Amnesty International and a charity
for Palestinians relief. I decided, as BD doesn't believe in universal
Human Rights, that the donation made in his name should go towards the
relief of oppressed people.
Aardvark
> Aardvark wrote:
>
>>If by 'they' you mean the Palestinians, you're kind of right. They
>>certainly don't have access to the vast quantities of state-of-the-art
>>weapons that their oppressors have. Nevertheless, they and their
>>supporters bravely struggle on with what they have, which is, more and
>>more these days, peaceful resistance and civil disobedience.
>
> Are you in disagreement with the creation of Israel after the war?
I'm in disagreement with what the Israelis did with their state and the
people therein after the war.
Aardvark
> Aardvark wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 13:30:08 -0500, G. Morgan wrote:
>>
>>> Aardvark wrote:
>>>
>>>>Did you know that, in the New Year, I made a financial donation in
>>>>BD's name to a Palestinian support group? I don't think he was as
>>>>impressed by my largesse on his behalf as he might have been had I
>>>>donated to a cause less worthy.
>>>
>>> LMAO... you did not!
>>>
>>> did you ??
>>
>>Yup.
>>
>>Every year, SWMBO and I make a short list each of which charities we
>>will donate to as often as possible during the coming twelve months. Two
>>causes on my list, among others, were Amnesty International and a
>>charity for Palestinians relief. I decided, as BD doesn't believe in
>>universal Human Rights, that the donation made in his name should go
>>towards the relief of oppressed people.
>
> You gonna give him the receipt so he can write it off on his taxes?
You're kidding, right?
If I did that, I might as well have cut the charity out completely and
just sent *him* the money.
I keep every receipt I ever get in everyday life, but I've never stored
receipts for charity donations. It's *my* donation to a cause *I*
consider worthy. Why should I expect to get any or all of that amount
back from HMRC? The financial effect on me of giving to charity is pretty
minimal anyway.
Making a personal charitable donation and then writing it off always
seemed silly to me (not to forget selfish), to the point of not really
being personally charitable at all.
Peter Foldes
news:Gba4q.19141$bt.1...@newsfe03.ams2...
> The Israelis been practising that kind of ethnic cleansing for years. The
> peaceful resistance in which those who support the Palestinian cause have
> been indulging of recent years will work much better than militarily
> engaging the Israelis ever did.
>
> Its results thus far have shown the Israelis to lack any moral basis for
> their 'cause'. They respond to peaceful protest in exactly the same was
> as their neighbour, Assad, does.
Aardvark
Even though I will always stick up for Israel Aardvark I hate to say it but there is
some truth behind what you have posted. I try and avoid political issues even though
I get stuck sometimes in it. As long as there is a human race there will always be
issues as you and others have posted. You probably are the same as is many when you
stand by one side (mainly your own) even if they are wrong at times.
And then there is some who will not or never admit that their own kind are ever
wrong. There is one person who I can think right off the top who is like that.
JS
~BD~
> You are replying to the wrong post.
>
> This is the one you should have poster under.
>
> Message-ID:<Gba4q.19141$bt.1...@newsfe03.ams2>
>
>
Oops! Sorry.
~BD~
> On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 11:02:33 -0500, G. Morgan wrote:
>
>> I don't know what will happen, but Israel is not going to tolerate this
>> much longer. They may decide to drive the Palestinians out of Gaza
>> altogether, which will enrage all Muslim nations.
>
> The Israelis been practising that kind of ethnic cleansing for years. The
> peaceful resistance in which those who support the Palestinian cause have
> been indulging of recent years will work much better than militarily
> engaging the Israelis ever did.
>
> Its results thus far have shown the Israelis to lack any moral basis for
> their 'cause'. They respond to peaceful protest in exactly the same was
> as their neighbour, Assad, does.
>
>
>
The terrorist attack in southern Israel on August 18 in which eight
In summary, the “Arab Spring” could become for Israel a “Security
Aardvark
> In summary, the “Arab Spring” could become for Israel a “Security
> Autumn,” as the skies darken due to regional developments.
Good, cunt.
Aardvark
~BD~
> ~BD~ wrote:
>
>> Russia, a second army will come from the East . . . China. The third
>> army will come from Ethiopia , Israel, Saudi Arabia, Great Britain, and
>> the U.S.A.
>>
>> The war will take place in Israel. The book of Ezekiel, Chapter 39 tells
>> us in numerous verses that the war will be there. It couldn't have
>> happened prior to 1948 because there was no country of Israel until
>> then. There has for many centuries been an anti-semetic force. Jews are
>> leaving Russia by the thousands and moving to the United States.
>> Remember the Holocaust! In the United States, there is tremendous
>> anti-semetism by many groups.
>>
>> This will be a nuclear war. See 2nd Peter 3:10 - "The day of the Lord
>> will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass
>> away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat,
>> the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
>> Nothing else can cause this kind of heat and destruction but nuclear or
>> atomic weapons.
>
> someone's interpretation of words, words that have been bastardized and
> used to manipulate men in every conceivable way for ~1700 years.
>
> That's 1700 years out of 200,000 years humans have been on Earth, about
> .85%. Where did God send the other 99.15% of humans that came before
> Christ?
>
> Here's another one for the hard-line Christians:
>
> The CIA Factbook,
> https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/xx.html
>
> puts the world percentage of Christians at 33.35%. If only Christians
> go to heaven, what happens to the other 66.65%? Am I to believe that
> God only wants to save a third of His children's souls?
>
> You can't even walk into a bookstore and find less than 5 versions of
> the Bible. It's not meant to be some magical future-telling device.
>
>
I cannot answer your questions.
Think on this, though:-
**
The Anvil of God’s Word
Last eve I paused beside the blacksmith’s door,
And heard the Anvil ring the vesper chime,
And looking in I saw upon the floor,
Old hammers worn with beating years of time.
“How many Anvils have you had”, said I,
“To wear and batter these hammers so.”
“Just one”, said he, and then with twinkling eye,
“The Anvil wears the hammers out, you know!”
And so, thought I, the Anvil of God’s Word,
For years skeptics’ blows have beat upon,
And though the sound of falling blows was heard,
The Anvil remains unchanged, the hammers gone.
(Author Unknown)
Aardvark
> Reports: Barrage of rockets from Gaza strike Israel, Egypt
> http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/08/21/israel.violence/index.html
>
> What the fuck is it with these two? It's more like the Hatfield-McCoy
> Feud than anything. If Mexico was lobbing shells on Laredo, TX; we'd be
> sending cruise missiles into Mexico City and annexing Northern Mexico.
When did the US start ghettoising and ethnic cleansing South of the
border to provoke Mexico to lob shells?
~BD~
> ~BD~ wrote:
>
>> I cannot answer your questions.
>
> reconcile them. I even called Joel Osteen's office to ask, she told me
> I would have to 'come by' to get *those* answers, but she did offer a
> prayer. :-)
>
> Here's another one no Christian will answer:
>
> Science knows for a fact that the Earth is approximately 4.5B years old.
> And the Universe is about 5B years old. Science has proven beyond a
> doubt that humans are a relatively new species on the order of
> deep-time. So God created all this -WAY- before humans were even
> around.
>
> What makes you think the Earth is *our* planet? And why did the current
> version of "God" only appear 2k years ago?
>
>> Think on this, though:-
>
>
> So, you're going to ask next - do I believe?
>
> Yes, I do. But not in the same way 'modern' religion portrays Him.
>
> Maybe it was those 3 years in Christian schools growing up that helped
> form my beliefs. I say that to inform you that I'm not speaking out of
> ignorance.
>
>
I trust that I have never, ever, suggested that *you* are ignorant.
Aardvark
> Science knows for a fact that the Earth is approximately 4.5B years old.
> And the Universe is about 5B years old. Science has proven beyond a
> doubt that humans are a relatively new species on the order of
> deep-time. So God created all this -WAY- before humans were even
> around.
If you think of the time since the earth formed as a twenty-four hour
clock, with its formation at midnight last night, and this moment as
midnight tonight, then man appeared five seconds ago.
If you consider the earth as the size of a tennis ball, then the sun is a
thirty-foot diameter globe twenty miles away.
Take half-a-dozen grains of sand and scatter them at random around New
York's Central Park. That is a scale model of the sizes of and distance
between Sol (our star) and the nearest handful of stars.
FYI
HTH
HAND
:-)
Aardvark
> Aardvark wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 05:22:59 -0500, G. Morgan wrote:
>>
>>> Reports: Barrage of rockets from Gaza strike Israel, Egypt
>>> http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/08/21/israel.violence/index.html
>>>
>>> What the fuck is it with these two? It's more like the Hatfield-McCoy
>>> Feud than anything. If Mexico was lobbing shells on Laredo, TX; we'd
>>> be sending cruise missiles into Mexico City and annexing Northern
>>> Mexico.
>>
>>When did the US start ghettoising and ethnic cleansing South of the
>>border to provoke Mexico to lob shells?
>
> We have not had to, they are doing it to themselves unfortunately.
Which is why they tend to kill one another rather than Americans across
the border.
:-)
~BD~
> On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 05:22:59 -0500, G. Morgan wrote:
>
>> Reports: Barrage of rockets from Gaza strike Israel, Egypt
>> http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/08/21/israel.violence/index.html
>>
>> What the fuck is it with these two? It's more like the Hatfield-McCoy
>> Feud than anything. If Mexico was lobbing shells on Laredo, TX; we'd be
>> sending cruise missiles into Mexico City and annexing Northern Mexico.
>
> When did the US start ghettoising and ethnic cleansing South of the
> border to provoke Mexico to lob shells?
>
>
>
U.S. colonialism attacks Mexican-Indigenous people in Arizona
You should read this!
~BD~
> ~BD~ wrote:
>
>> I trust that I have never, ever, suggested that *you* are ignorant.
>
> questions?
>
> I struggle to understand why so many people are so faithful to a text
> that is riddled with inconsistencies, and fairy-tales. You don't
> actually think there was a real talking snake do you?
>
>
>
>
Nope!
I've gotta go cut the grass now.
Humphrey has gone 'home'. We're going boating again soon! :-)
Aardvark
Repression breeds resistance, cunt.
Jenn
> ~BD~ wrote:
>
>> I trust that I have never, ever, suggested that *you* are ignorant.
>
> questions?
>
> I struggle to understand why so many people are so faithful to a text
> that is riddled with inconsistencies, and fairy-tales. You don't
> actually think there was a real talking snake do you?
If a person believes in God, how can that same person discount any miracle
God could perform?
A miracle is only an event that happens that we can't fathom could ever
happen. To God nothing is a miracle because nothing is impossible. We see
things from the perspective of a created being. Many things are impossible
for us to fathom. The creator has no limitations.
--
Jenn
Jenn
> Jenn wrote:
>
>> G. Morgan wrote:
>>> ~BD~ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Not that I can recall, but seriously; where are the answers to my
>>> questions?
>>>
>>> I struggle to understand why so many people are so faithful to a
>>> text that is riddled with inconsistencies, and fairy-tales. You
>>> don't actually think there was a real talking snake do you?
>>
>> If a person believes in God, how can that same person discount any
>> miracle God could perform?
> You think a talking snake is a miracle? I think it's someone's
> literary license.
Me? If I personally encountered a talking snake... yes! it would be a
miracle. <smile>
>> A miracle is only an event that happens that we can't fathom could
>> ever happen. To God nothing is a miracle because nothing is
>> impossible. We see things from the perspective of a created being.
>> Many things are impossible for us to fathom. The creator has no
>> limitations.
<snip>
> Once you start learning about the Universe, the less things seem
> "God-Like".
I can only speak about how I see things like that...
<snip>
> Science will continue to unlock the secrets, and less mystical and
> more facts will be embraced. History tells us that.
Humanity tends to revere science's discoveries. I just kind of ponder them
and wonder how long it'll be before scientists discover the next thing that
was just out of their reach previously.
--
Jenn
Jenn
> G. Morgan wrote:
>
>> Once you start learning about the Universe, the less things seem
>> "God-Like".
> To expound on that, the reverse is also true. The more we see, the
> more Awe we experience. To me, God and science are completely
> compatible. Religion and science are not.
I completely agree! :)
--
Jenn
Aardvark
IAWTP
~BD~
> G. Morgan wrote:
>
>> Once you start learning about the Universe, the less things seem
>> "God-Like".
>
> To expound on that, the reverse is also true. The more we see, the more
> Awe we experience. To me, God and science are completely compatible.
> Religion and science are not.
IAWTP too! ;-)
Jenn
> Jenn wrote:
>
>> Humanity tends to revere science's discoveries.
> Yeah, I hope so. We'd be kinda screwed without it.
I often wonder what would happen to life as we know it if we suddenly didn't
have access to all the breakthroughs in just the last 100 years alone. In
the last few years Hollywood has put a lot of time into producing movies and
tv shows that delve into those very scenarios.
>> I just kind of ponder them
>> and wonder how long it'll be before scientists discover the next
>> thing that was just out of their reach previously.
> I study what they are researching now, and ponder the possibilities.
> We are on the verge of doing "the impossible" in many areas including
> medicine, energy, and space exploration.
It's exciting thinking about all the possibilities.
--
Jenn
FromTheRafters
> ~BD~ wrote:
>
>>I cannot answer your questions.
>
> Of course you can't. No self-proclaimed Christian has ever been able to
> reconcile them. I even called Joel Osteen's office to ask, she told me
> I would have to 'come by' to get *those* answers, but she did offer a
> prayer. :-)
>
> Here's another one no Christian will answer:
>
> Science knows for a fact that the Earth is approximately 4.5B years old.
No older than 4.567 billion years - as that is what is thought to be the
age of the solar system itself.
> And the Universe is about 5B years old.
Older than that, in theory. I believe that they need to check their
assumptions though.
[...]
FromTheRafters
> "Aardvark" <aard...@youllnever.know> wrote in message
> news:Gba4q.19141$bt.1...@newsfe03.ams2...
>
>> The Israelis been practising that kind of ethnic cleansing for years.
>> The peaceful resistance in which those who support the Palestinian
>> cause have been indulging of recent years will work much better than
>> militarily engaging the Israelis ever did.
>>
>> Its results thus far have shown the Israelis to lack any moral basis
>> for their 'cause'. They respond to peaceful protest in exactly the same
>> was as their neighbour, Assad, does.
>
> Aardvark
>
> Even though I will always stick up for Israel Aardvark I hate to say it
> but there is some truth behind what you have posted. I try and avoid
> political issues even though I get stuck sometimes in it. As long as
> there is a human race there will always be issues as you and others have
> posted. You probably are the same as is many when you stand by one side
> (mainly your own) even if they are wrong at times.
>
> And then there is some who will not or never admit that their own kind
> are ever wrong. There is one person who I can think right off the top
> who is like that.
>
> JS
Right or wrong, there are regular people suffering on both sides of the
equation.
Dustin
news:j2thni$9ed$1...@dont-email.me:
> I cannot answer your questions.
That's because when religion is faced with logic, it always comes up
short.
--
I am a sinner
Hold my prayers upto the sun
I am a sinner
Heaven's closed for what I've done.
Peter Foldes
news:j2uegm$j1j$5...@dont-email.me...
> On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:50:09 -0400, Peter Foldes wrote
> Right or wrong, there are regular people suffering on both sides of the
> equation.
Not a truer sentence posted. Absolutely and there is also 3rd parties whom are
affected
JS
Aardvark
IAWTP
Jenn
> Jenn wrote:
>
>>> ~BD~ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Not that I can recall, but seriously; where are the answers to my
>>> questions?
>>>
>>> I struggle to understand why so many people are so faithful to a
>>> text that is riddled with inconsistencies, and fairy-tales. You
>>> don't actually think there was a real talking snake do you?
>>
>> If a person believes in God, how can that same person discount any
>> miracle God could perform?
> You think a talking snake is a miracle? I think it's someone's
> literary license.
Me? If I personally encountered a talking snake... yes! it would be a
miracle. <smile>
>> A miracle is only an event that happens that we can't fathom could
>> ever happen. To God nothing is a miracle because nothing is
>> impossible. We see things from the perspective of a created being.
>> Many things are impossible for us to fathom. The creator has no
>> limitations.
<snip>
> Once you start learning about the Universe, the less things seem
> "God-Like".
I can only speak about how I see things like that...
<snip>
> Science will continue to unlock the secrets, and less mystical and
> more facts will be embraced. History tells us that.
Humanity tends to revere science's discoveries. I just kind of ponder them
and wonder how long it'll be before scientists discover the next thing that
was just out of their reach previously.
--
Jenn
Bullwinkle.
from a leeching socialist scum hiding in
a muslim closet?
Best thing is he uses one of his vests?
"~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.com> wrote in message
news:lu6dnWI9XvzD18zT...@bt.com...
Aardvark wrote:
>
> Did you know that, in the New Year, I made a financial donation in BD's
> name to a Palestinian support group? I don't think he was as impressed by
> my largesse on his behalf as he might have been had I donated to a cause
> less worthy.
You had no right to do that, cunt.
Bullwinkle.
"Aardvark" <aard...@youllnever.know> wrote in message
news:WAd4q.167031$Dk2....@newsfe04.ams2...
Making a personal charitable donation and then writing it off always
seemed silly to me (not to forget selfish), to the point of not really
being personally charitable at all.
Dustin
news:7hm457hs5355c5gu9...@Osama-is-dead.net:
> Here's another one no Christian will answer:
>
> Science knows for a fact that the Earth is approximately 4.5B years
> old. And the Universe is about 5B years old. Science has proven
> beyond a doubt that humans are a relatively new species on the order
> of deep-time. So God created all this -WAY- before humans were even
> around.
Nope. This God some speak of simply doesn't exist, lol. Fact is, from a
purely scientific point of view, you, I, our entire planet is so
insignificant it's not even funny.
> What makes you think the Earth is *our* planet? And why did the
> current version of "God" only appear 2k years ago?
To control the sheeple. Think of the game, lemmings.
> So, you're going to ask next - do I believe?
I would think logic would prevent you from even humouring the idea.
> Maybe it was those 3 years in Christian schools growing up that
> helped form my beliefs. I say that to inform you that I'm not
> speaking out of ignorance.
While I also spent time in the xian way of education, I *still* didn't
drink the koolaid. [g]
Dustin
news:j2ttq6$bf4$1...@speranza.aioe.org:
> Me? If I personally encountered a talking snake... yes! it would be
> a miracle. <smile>
I'd be having a quick discussion with my dealer if that took place.
Something is amiss...
Dustin
> Jenn wrote:
>
>>Humanity tends to revere science's discoveries.
>
> Yeah, I hope so. We'd be kinda screwed without it.
>
>> I just kind of ponder them
>>and wonder how long it'll be before scientists discover the next
>>thing that was just out of their reach previously.
>
> I study what they are researching now, and ponder the possibilities.
> We are on the verge of doing "the impossible" in many areas
> including medicine, energy, and space exploration.
We're less than 50 years away from AI on a grand scale. Once we have
this, unlocking and mapping and modifying at will, organic substances
including us will be much much easier.
Aardvark
> "Jenn" <m...@fakeemail.com> wrote in
> news:j2ttq6$bf4$1...@speranza.aioe.org:
>
>> Me? If I personally encountered a talking snake... yes! it would be a
>> miracle. <smile>
>
> I'd be having a quick discussion with my dealer if that took place.
> Something is amiss...
I'd keep quiet about it. Hell, you tell your dealer, he'd up the price.
:-)
Dustin
news:R%B4q.106987$yn7....@newsfe20.ams2:
> On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:32:51 +0000, Dustin wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" <m...@fakeemail.com> wrote in
>> news:j2ttq6$bf4$1...@speranza.aioe.org:
>>
>>> Me? If I personally encountered a talking snake... yes! it would
>>> be a miracle. <smile>
>>
>> I'd be having a quick discussion with my dealer if that took place.
>> Something is amiss...
>
> I'd keep quiet about it. Hell, you tell your dealer, he'd up the
> price.
Heh. I must have mis represented myself or something. I enjoy a good
marijuana and *only* marijuana buzz. If someone has modified it in some
fashion and added additional other , goodies, We have an issue when I
come back down. Only one person and I have had that unfortunate issue
so far. While he cost me a whole weekend (I still don't know for sure
what he laced it with), I cost him a broken arm for his transgression.
I paid good money, I expected a quality product. As obviously the law
couldn't be involved, I had to make things right myself. Now, I'm
usually a laid back fellow and wouldn't have done that if he hadn't of
(a) laughed about it and (b) took a swing at me. Fuckup one, lacing my
shit, fuckup two, laughing to my face when I question you about it,
final fuckup which will cost you, taking a swing.
FromTheRafters
> Dustin wrote:
>
>>> I study what they are researching now, and ponder the possibilities.
>>> We are on the verge of doing "the impossible" in many areas including
>>> medicine, energy, and space exploration.
>>
>>We're less than 50 years away from AI on a grand scale. Once we have
>>this, unlocking and mapping and modifying at will, organic substances
>>including us will be much much easier.
>
> Yup, and self-replicating machines are already here. When they can
> eventually think on their own, makes you wonder... Carbon nanotubes are
> going to revolutionize the way we think about machines.
And when self-replicating machines also self-replicate their thinking
mechanisms (computer virus) it gives cause for us to consider what they
think about *us*. :o)
The new space explorers may well be self-replicating robots that build
environments on distant moons that are suitable for human occupation. The
much maligned computer virus may end up being a boon to mankind.
Dustin
> Dustin wrote:
>
>>> I study what they are researching now, and ponder the
>>> possibilities. We are on the verge of doing "the impossible" in
>>> many areas including medicine, energy, and space exploration.
>>
>>We're less than 50 years away from AI on a grand scale. Once we have
>>this, unlocking and mapping and modifying at will, organic
>>substances including us will be much much easier.
>
> Yup, and self-replicating machines are already here. When they can
> eventually think on their own, makes you wonder... Carbon nanotubes
> are going to revolutionize the way we think about machines.
AI=thinking on your own, able to make decisions based on information you
have at your disposal. AI. Self replicating software has been here a long
time. it's only a natural progression via self modifying firmware
updating.
FromTheRafters
> It will be fascinating to watch.
I saw recently on "Jeopardy" that they will be airing the "Watson"
episode again. This is "state of the art" AI stuff.
Autonomous robots are next, some space probes already exist as state of
the art examples.
Closer and closer to genetically engineering ourselves too, with the aid
of computer technology.
If out children's children survive, it will be a wondrous world that they
experience.
FromTheRafters
> FromTheRafters wrote:
>>
>> Autonomous robots are next, some space probes already exist as state of
>> the art examples.
>>
>> Closer and closer to genetically engineering ourselves too, with the aid
>> of computer technology.
>>
>> If out children's children survive, it will be a wondrous world that they
>> experience.
>
> maybe by squirting solvent into their joints to attack lubricants?
Maybe if they work *with* us as opposed to for us. I'm envisioning
pioneer robots that are programmed to mine and forge and build an
environment suitable for later human occupation.
I'm not at all sure people will ever accept robotic domestic servants,
companions, or coworkers. That is, aside from simpler robotic appliances
like a mobile Mr. Coffee.
Jenn
Next thing will be cloning ourselves for spare parts... "The Island"
comes to mind...... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0399201/
--
Jenn
(posting from Thunderbird)
FromTheRafters
> FromTheRafters wrote:
>> ASCII wrote:
>>> FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Autonomous robots are next, some space probes already exist as state of
>>>> the art examples.
>>>>
>>>> Closer and closer to genetically engineering ourselves too, with the aid
>>>> of computer technology.
>>>>
>>>> If out children's children survive, it will be a wondrous world that they
>>>> experience.
>>>
>>> I wonder if there will be societal misfits that yearn to 'prank' those robots,
>>> maybe by squirting solvent into their joints to attack lubricants?
>>
>> Maybe if they work *with* us as opposed to for us. I'm envisioning
>> pioneer robots that are programmed to mine and forge and build an
>> environment suitable for later human occupation.
>
Discounting the "Zeroth Law", yes. :o)