What's so special about a single word?
~BD~
Peter Foldes
You are an idiot. How can you post a link that is an executable. And you are the one
that hunts people that are bad guy's.
DO NOT POST AN EXECUTABLE. It can be very dangerous to some if not all
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FromTheRafters
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> BD
>
> You are an idiot. How can you post a link that is an executable. And
> you are the one that hunts people that are bad guy's.
>
> DO NOT POST AN EXECUTABLE. It can be very dangerous to some if not all
It is not an executable, it is a data file.
Peter Foldes
It is an executable FTR. That is what shows up for me and not a Data file. It shows
as an Unknown file type 2.06 mb
and as soon as I try and download the file all kinds of alarms go of on this server.
Did you execute the file FTR? If anybody did let me know what you found after
running your malware tools
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"FromTheRafters" <err...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
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Jenn
> FTR
>
> It is an executable FTR. That is what shows up for me and not a Data file.
> It shows as an Unknown file type 2.06 mb
> and as soon as I try and download the file all kinds of alarms go of on
> this server. Did you execute the file FTR? If anybody did let me know what
> you found after running your malware tools
>
This is the original link:
http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/14452350/478679383/name/Word_Riddle%2Ewmv
When I mouse over it ... it shows this as the target:
http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/14452350/478679383/name/Word_Riddle.wmv
FTR ... does that look right to you?
--
Jenn (from Oklahoma)
FromTheRafters
> FTR
>
> It is an executable FTR. That is what shows up for me and not a Data
> file. It shows as an Unknown file type 2.06 mb
> and as soon as I try and download the file all kinds of alarms go of
> on this server. Did you execute the file FTR? If anybody did let me
> know what you found after running your malware tools
I got a media file (WMV) that played in MediaPlayer.
FromTheRafters
news:i7gm6l$4o0$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Yes, and the video explains which letters to remove in which order so as
to have all steps be real English words.
I was reminded of the 'oh' sound in "no" which changes when you add a
'w' for "now" and changes again when you add a 'k' for "know" and yet
again when you bring it next to a "ledge".
Jenn
> "Jenn" <no...@noway.atno.how.anyday> wrote in message
> news:i7gm6l$4o0$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Peter Foldes" <ok...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:i7glrd$qfi$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>>> FTR
>>>
>>> It is an executable FTR. That is what shows up for me and not a Data
>>> file. It shows as an Unknown file type 2.06 mb
>>> and as soon as I try and download the file all kinds of alarms go of on
>>> this server. Did you execute the file FTR? If anybody did let me know
>>> what you found after running your malware tools
>> This is the original link:
>> http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/14452350/478679383/name/Word_Riddle%2Ewmv
>>
>> When I mouse over it ... it shows this as the target:
>> http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/14452350/478679383/name/Word_Riddle.wmv
>>
>> FTR ... does that look right to you?
> Yes, and the video explains which letters to remove in which order so as
> to have all steps be real English words.
guess it wasn't an executable after all... huh? :)
> I was reminded of the 'oh' sound in "no" which changes when you add a 'w'
> for "now" and changes again when you add a 'k' for "know" and yet again
> when you bring it next to a "ledge".
I looked up something on youtube that I thought you'd like... This is what
my Xanadu looked like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHsb__t14iE&feature=fvw
--
Jenn (from Oklahoma)
FromTheRafters
>
> "FromTheRafters" <err...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
> news:i7gqh3$395$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "Jenn" <no...@noway.atno.how.anyday> wrote in message
>> news:i7gm6l$4o0$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>> "Peter Foldes" <ok...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:i7glrd$qfi$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>> FTR
>>>>
>>>> It is an executable FTR. That is what shows up for me and not a
>>>> Data file. It shows as an Unknown file type 2.06 mb
>>>> and as soon as I try and download the file all kinds of alarms go
>>>> of on this server. Did you execute the file FTR? If anybody did let
>>>> me know what you found after running your malware tools
>
>
>>> This is the original link:
>>> http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/14452350/478679383/name/Word_Riddle%2Ewmv
>>>
>>> When I mouse over it ... it shows this as the target:
>>> http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/14452350/478679383/name/Word_Riddle.wmv
>>>
>>> FTR ... does that look right to you?
>
>
>> Yes, and the video explains which letters to remove in which order so
>> as to have all steps be real English words.
>
> guess it wasn't an executable after all... huh? :)
What *I* got wasn't, but that doesn't necessarily mean what *he* got
wasn't.
[...]
> I looked up something on youtube that I thought you'd like... This is
> what my Xanadu looked like:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHsb__t14iE&feature=fvw
Modern, they bred away from the kinked tail (which Mai-Ting has and
Su-Lin doesn't).
Yeah, and these two can hold up their end of a conversation too when the
mood hits them.
I saw a documentary where IIRC Tigers eventually exhibited the same
kinked tail when severely inbred.
Odd, that.
...and a simple "no!" will send them stomping off and grumbling (too
funny).
Jenn
> "Jenn" <no...@noway.atno.how.anyday> wrote in message
>>> Yes, and the video explains which letters to remove in which order
>>> so as to have all steps be real English words.
>>
>> guess it wasn't an executable after all... huh? :)
> What *I* got wasn't, but that doesn't necessarily mean what *he* got
> wasn't.
I got the same .wmv file you got. Not sure why he'd get something
different?
>> I looked up something on youtube that I thought you'd like... This
>> is what my Xanadu looked like:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHsb__t14iE&feature=fvw
> Modern, they bred away from the kinked tail (which Mai-Ting has and
> Su-Lin doesn't). Yeah, and these two can hold up their end of a
> conversation too when
> the mood hits them.
Our Xanadu used to argue with us all the time. It was kind of funny cuz he
knew when we'd tell him "NO" and would argue and flick his tail to show he
disagreed! LOL He had ALOT of personality. At night when we'd go to bed
we'd shut the door so he couldn't get in there with us, but that didn't stop
him because he would hurl himself at our closed bedroom door and we'd heard
the loud BAM when he'd hit it and bounce off. If we let him in our bedroom
at night, he'd get his kitty toys and play with them on our bed when we'd be
trying to sleep. One night around 2am the cat would tried playing with his
toys and then went under the bed when my husband tried to catch him to put
him out ....... The longer he tried to catch the cat, the more he'd cuss
... the more I laughed! When he finally caught Xanadu we had to put up with
him hurling himself at the door til he got tired. We swiftly found us a
crate we could put the kitty in at night until he outgrew that sort of
mischief.
> I saw a documentary where IIRC Tigers eventually exhibited the same
> kinked tail when severely inbred.
>
> Odd, that.
>
> ...and a simple "no!" will send them stomping off and grumbling (too
> funny).
yep! LOL
--
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http://pqlr.org/bbs/
Max Wachtel
wrote:
I agree with PF, media file links should not be posted as a direct
download. Post a link so that folks can see what and where they are. Here
is a little light reading for your enjoyment.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1312830/posts
--
When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know
peace.
-Jimi Hendrix
Registered Linux User #393236
FromTheRafters
"Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhathisemailisanyway> wrote in message
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[...]
> I got the same .wmv file you got. Not sure why he'd get something
> different?
It depends on what is running on the server, for instance an evil server
could offer a benign file 98% of the time and some malware for the other
2% - or serve something different according to the user-agent or other
offered data (OS, hardware platform, address range).
[...]
Jenn
.. so the same link could be legitimate 98% of the time and 2% be malware?
right?
FromTheRafters
Hmmm...it is a server. The link contains information needed for
translating the name to an IP address and when the rest of the data gets
to that address the server uses that information to locate the desired
document or file stored in it's own filesystem.
So...even if the "correct" IP address is used (unpoisoned name to IP
address lookup), you trust the (evil) server.
I'm not saying that they're evil (I've never heard of that domain
before) just that PF's experience need not be the same as mine.
BoaterDave
> FTR
>
> It is an executable FTR. That is what shows up for me and not a Data file. It shows
> as an Unknown file type 2.06 mb
> and as soon as I try and download the file all kinds of alarms go of on this server.
What is the explanation for *you* having "all kinds of alarms go off
on this server" when nobody else has reported *anything* amiss?
> Did you execute the file FTR? If anybody did let me know what you found after
> running your malware tools
According to FTR (as I understand things) there was *no* executable -
so why would he be expected to find malware on his computer?
Dave
.
Peter Foldes
David the Troll
You are really dumb aren't you. You do translate everything to your point of view
and understanding. Idiot
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FromTheRafters
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***
Did you read my other posts to Jenn?
Just because I got no executable, that doesn't mean he didn't. Once you
connect to a server, it is entirely up to that server what you get for a
document.
http://www.garshol.priv.no/download/text/http-tut.html
***
~BD~
[....]
> Just because I got no executable, that doesn't mean he didn't. Once you
> connect to a server, it is entirely up to that server what you get for a
> document.
>
> http://www.garshol.priv.no/download/text/http-tut.html
Another query, if I may ask you (or others in the group)
Yesterday, I made a post to another group from my account with Google
Groups. When I looked at the header of that post (using SeaMonkey) I
noticed that in the Injection-Info: there was something I'd not noticed
before ...... posting-account=tzxOyQoAAAA3PvP4RMY9OG9o84m_JMU6
Although I don't often post from GG I was able to go back to past posts
in a variety of groups to see if the posting account appeared. It did!
It was the same in each header I checked.
I elected to 'Google' for further info on my posting account ('cause I
like experimenting!) and was surprised by the result.
or
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3xo8f7o
There were basically just three findings.
One of them, when clicked upon, went here:
http://forum.outlook.pl/test/2938/reply/
I was amazed to see that the names of Andrew Taylor and Peter Foldes
appeared in what is a site in a foreign language!
Maybe you'll take a peek and advise what *you* see?
Dave
FromTheRafters
Why does that surprise and amaze you?
While normally, using such a string for a search would yield results
where that information was *only* in the headers or your google posts
(that is, it would return all of your posts, and only your posts). Since
you (or someone else, but probably you) has taken to posting the headers
in the body, now that string appears in the bodies of all posts and
followups to posts that didn't edit it out. You (or someone else, but
probably you) have poisoned your own search results by posting your
header information in the bodies of posts and crossposting.
Do you remember an earlier discussion we had about this (regarding
changing subject lines of posts and how it affects the ability to
search)? Your actions have consequences, not from the 'powers that be'
but just because of the way stuff works. Usenet articles now appear on
the web thanks to gateways, in any language you like.
Instead of clicking the link, try clicking the "Translate this page"
link. See that the content has nothing to do with the web user
interface.
~BD~
> "~BD~"<~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
> news:GbadnV3MTaCwljPR...@bt.com...
>> I was amazed to see that the names of Andrew Taylor and Peter Foldes
>> appeared in what is a site in a foreign language!
>
> Why does that surprise and amaze you?
It's part of my nature I suppose! :)
> While normally, using such a string for a search would yield results
> where that information was *only* in the headers or your google posts
> (that is, it would return all of your posts, and only your posts). Since
> you (or someone else, but probably you) has taken to posting the headers
> in the body, now that string appears in the bodies of all posts and
> followups to posts that didn't edit it out. You (or someone else, but
> probably you) have poisoned your own search results by posting your
> header information in the bodies of posts and crossposting.
Ah! Maybe that explains much. I didn't know that Google searches only
the bodies of posts. However, I'm quite certain I must have posted
*many* more than 3 or 4 headers (or parts of same) into message bodies
over the years. My real surprise was that so *few* results were found.
.... and those that /were/ found referred to AT and PF!
> Do you remember an earlier discussion we had about this (regarding
> changing subject lines of posts and how it affects the ability to
> search)? Your actions have consequences, not from the 'powers that be'
> but just because of the way stuff works. Usenet articles now appear on
> the web thanks to gateways, in any language you like.
Yes, I do remember. I try not to do it too often, but RonNNN made a
special request so that he can pick up items of possible interest.
> Instead of clicking the link, try clicking the "Translate this page"
> link.
It makes little difference here.
> See that the content has nothing to do with the web user interface.
I regret that I do not understand what you mean.
FromTheRafters
> FromTheRafters wrote:
>> "~BD~"<~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
>> news:GbadnV3MTaCwljPR...@bt.com...
> [....]
>
>>> I was amazed to see that the names of Andrew Taylor and Peter Foldes
>>> appeared in what is a site in a foreign language!
>>
>> Why does that surprise and amaze you?
>
> It's part of my nature I suppose! :)
>
>> While normally, using such a string for a search would yield results
>> where that information was *only* in the headers or your google posts
>> (that is, it would return all of your posts, and only your posts).
>> Since
>> you (or someone else, but probably you) has taken to posting the
>> headers
>> in the body, now that string appears in the bodies of all posts and
>> followups to posts that didn't edit it out. You (or someone else, but
>> probably you) have poisoned your own search results by posting your
>> header information in the bodies of posts and crossposting.
>
> Ah! Maybe that explains much. I didn't know that Google searches only
> the bodies of posts.
That's not what I said, the thing is that fullquoted followup (reply)
posts will propagate the bodies (and hence your search string) to posts
which aren't yours. They wouldn't propagate it if it were only in the
header (the references header provides the threading, so your MID does
get propagated, but not your account # or posting host address etc...
> However, I'm quite certain I must have posted *many* more than 3 or 4
> headers (or parts of same) into message bodies over the years. My real
> surprise was that so *few* results were found.
Was that a Google Groups search? Or did you search the web?
> .... and those that /were/ found referred to AT and PF!
Those had your header information (in the body) splattered on a webpage.
Some, but not all, usenet posts get transplanted to the web.
>> Do you remember an earlier discussion we had about this (regarding
>> changing subject lines of posts and how it affects the ability to
>> search)? Your actions have consequences, not from the 'powers that
>> be'
>> but just because of the way stuff works. Usenet articles now appear
>> on
>> the web thanks to gateways, in any language you like.
>
> Yes, I do remember. I try not to do it too often, but RonNNN made a
> special request so that he can pick up items of possible interest.
>
>> Instead of clicking the link, try clicking the "Translate this page"
>> link.
>
> It makes little difference here.
>
>> See that the content has nothing to do with the web user interface.
>
> I regret that I do not understand what you mean.
The content is from Usenet, not the foreign language website. 'Translate
this page' does not seem to affect that content.
FromTheRafters
If you want to add a crosspost, do it yourself - please do not attempt
to make it look like *I* added it.
I resent your use of "Followup-to:" to make me look like a troll.
Dustin
news:i8ln32$egq$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
LOL. Trust me, he doesn't care if you resent something he does. It'll
continue under the guise of friendship until you smarten up. ;p
--
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help but smile when one tumbles down the stairs.
FromTheRafters
news:Xns9E0ACE2ADDC9BHHI2948AJD832@no...
> "FromTheRafters" <err...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
> news:i8ln32$egq$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> "~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
>> news:yPednYdgGaVQpDPR...@bt.com...
>>
>> If you want to add a crosspost, do it yourself - please do not
>> attempt to make it look like *I* added it.
>>
>> I resent your use of "Followup-to:" to make me look like a troll.
>>
>>
>>
>
> LOL. Trust me, he doesn't care if you resent something he does. It'll
> continue under the guise of friendship until you smarten up. ;p
I knew that already, but I'll do things my way - thanks anyway. :o)
Dustin
@news.eternal-september.org:
Oh, lol; I know man, I know. :)
Aardvark
I like the guy immensely, but I'm extremely wary of him.
SeaNymph
"Aardvark" <Aard...@youllnever.know> wrote in message
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Everyone should be wary of him. He uses people when he can, he lies and he
has no sense of what's right.
Peter Foldes
news:i8ls25$35c$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "Aardvark" <Aard...@youllnever.know> wrote in message
> news:1cs7a6wkq4fr7.x...@40tude.net...
>> On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 20:16:38 -0400, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>
>>> "Dustin" <bughunte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9E0ACE2ADDC9BHHI2948AJD832@no...
>>>> "FromTheRafters" <err...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
>>>> news:i8ln32$egq$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>
>>>>> "~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
>>>>> news:yPednYdgGaVQpDPR...@bt.com...
Did anyone notice that he added a crosspost in the middleof the thread
CROSSPOST REMOVED
SeaNymph
Everything bounces right off of him except when it cames to what is close to his
heart. Always can get him wound up with that. He is as predictable as daylight and
as stupid as Larry from the 3 Stooges.
~BD~
I'm sorry if I've misunderstood.
>> However, I'm quite certain I must have posted *many* more than 3 or 4
>> headers (or parts of same) into message bodies over the years. My real
>> surprise was that so *few* results were found.
>
> Was that a Google Groups search? Or did you search the web?
I'm not meaning to be difficult when I say "can't you tell that from the
link I provided?"
I've just done a GG search and get just *one* hit (one that I am not at
all surprised by!) This is it:
You will note that, unlike the original link, this one starts with
"groups.google.com"
>> .... and those that /were/ found referred to AT and PF!
>
> Those had your header information (in the body) splattered on a webpage.
> Some, but not all, usenet posts get transplanted to the web.
I don't have much information about that. I *do* remember much fuss
being made on the Microsoft Communities sites about it being better not
to use the Web Interface facility and it being better to use Outlook
Express.
I had no idea at the time that this would mean making and receiving
posts to/from Usenet - a far more dangerous place (IMO).
>>> Do you remember an earlier discussion we had about this (regarding
>>> changing subject lines of posts and how it affects the ability to
>>> search)? Your actions have consequences, not from the 'powers that
>>> be' but just because of the way stuff works. Usenet articles now appear
>>> on the web thanks to gateways, in any language you like.
>>
>> Yes, I do remember. I try not to do it too often, but RonNNN made a
>> special request so that he can pick up items of possible interest.
>>
>>> Instead of clicking the link, try clicking the "Translate this page"
>>> link.
>>
>> It makes little difference here.
>>
>>> See that the content has nothing to do with the web user interface.
>>
>> I regret that I do not understand what you mean.
>
> The content is from Usenet, not the foreign language website. 'Translate
> this page' does not seem to affect that content.
I accept what you say, FTR.
Your help and advice *is* much appreciated. Thank you.
Dave
~BD~
Your comment concerns me.
Again, I do not understand what you are inferring. AFAICR, the only
times I've attempted to use "Follow-up" is when posting from Google
Groups (when my posting name is BoaterDave in full). I've not explored
how to do so in SeaMonkey - although I do sometimes add another
newsgroup in my address bar before I post.
When I did do so, RonNNN chastised me for my action, so I avoid using
the facility.
I had/have no wish or desire to make you look like a troll, FTR.
You will have to explain in more detail if you want me to recognise what
you are annoyed about. Regardless, I'm sorry if I have unwittingly upset
you.
~BD~
> "FromTheRafters"<err...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
> news:i8ln32$egq$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> "~BD~"<~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
>> news:yPednYdgGaVQpDPR...@bt.com...
>>
>> If you want to add a crosspost, do it yourself - please do not
>> attempt to make it look like *I* added it.
>>
>> I resent your use of "Followup-to:" to make me look like a troll.
>>
>>
>>
>
> LOL. Trust me, he doesn't care if you resent something he does. It'll
> continue under the guise of friendship until you smarten up. ;p
An example of *why* Jenn *doesn't* trust you!
I *do* care about FTR's concerns and feelings.
I recognise that he *could* be stringing me along and misleading me for
his own amusement - but I don't get those sorts of vibes about him.
We've been in contact for some years and I like his sense of humour
(which is not always at *my* expense! <g>)
FTR *may* have lied to me - but I am not aware of it.
OTOH, Peter Foldes lies all the time and the renowned MVP Robear Dyer
has lied too.
FromTheRafters
> Did anyone notice that he added a crosspost in the middleof the thread
>
> CROSSPOST REMOVED
My client added the crosspost in response to his "Followup-to:" header.
I left it because I didn't care about it. I *do* care about being used
in this manner, and have stated my objection *in both groups*.
I don't, as a rule, add or remove crossposts.
FromTheRafters
> FromTheRafters wrote:
>> "~BD~"<~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
>> news:yPednYdgGaVQpDPR...@bt.com...
>>
>> If you want to add a crosspost, do it yourself - please do not
>> attempt
>> to make it look like *I* added it.
>>
>> I resent your use of "Followup-to:" to make me look like a troll.
>
> Your comment concerns me.
>
> Again, I do not understand what you are inferring.
I imply, you infer. :o)
> AFAICR, the only times I've attempted to use "Follow-up" is when
> posting from Google Groups (when my posting name is BoaterDave in
> full). I've not explored how to do so in SeaMonkey - although I do
> sometimes add another newsgroup in my address bar before I post.
It was, indeed, the BoaterDave nym.
> When I did do so, RonNNN chastised me for my action, so I avoid using
> the facility.
So, should I believe that you *accidently* added a.p.s. newsgroup?
What, your finger slipped? :o)
> I had/have no wish or desire to make you look like a troll, FTR.
>
> You will have to explain in more detail if you want me to recognise
> what you are annoyed about. Regardless, I'm sorry if I have
> unwittingly upset you.
If you look at the thread, and try to determine who initiated the
"unnecessary" crosspost to "alt.privacy.spyware" it will appear to the
uninitiated that it was *I* that did so. Those that understand how
Usenet works *can* investigate further to see the post I was responding
to had the line "Followup-To: alt.politics.scorched-earth,
alt.privacy.spyware" in the header.
If you want to act like a troll, that is your prerogative. To add the
crosspost in a manner that makes someone else look like a troll is also
your prerogative, but I would hope that you wouldn't want to discourage
*me* from continuing to engage you in conversation, as I have been
generally civil towards you despite the fact that people I trust, wish
that I would not respond to you at all, ever.
~BD~
> "~BD~"<~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
> news:eZGdnUIuJ6XjIjPR...@bt.com...
>> FromTheRafters wrote:
>>> "~BD~"<~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
>>> news:yPednYdgGaVQpDPR...@bt.com...
>>>
>>> If you want to add a crosspost, do it yourself - please do not
>>> attempt
>>> to make it look like *I* added it.
>>>
>>> I resent your use of "Followup-to:" to make me look like a troll.
>>
>> Your comment concerns me.
>>
>> Again, I do not understand what you are inferring.
>
> I imply, you infer. :o)
Oh Sh*t! :)
>> AFAICR, the only times I've attempted to use "Follow-up" is when
>> posting from Google Groups (when my posting name is BoaterDave in
>> full). I've not explored how to do so in SeaMonkey - although I do
>> sometimes add another newsgroup in my address bar before I post.
>
> It was, indeed, the BoaterDave nym.
>
>> When I did do so, RonNNN chastised me for my action, so I avoid using
>> the facility.
>
> So, should I believe that you *accidently* added a.p.s. newsgroup?
>
> What, your finger slipped? :o)
Hahaha! No, no accident. I *should have said *usually* avoid. You *must*
know by now that *everything* I do on-line is deliberate (but sometimes
I do not appreciate the consequences of my actions!)
I wanted Peter Foldes to explain himself in front of those folk who
would recognise that he was lying (without him noticing). It appears
that I was successful!
>> I had/have no wish or desire to make you look like a troll, FTR.
I'll say that again. I did *not* intend that you, FTR, should appear to
be a troll. When I reviewed the result in SeaMonkey, the post did appear
somewhat odd, but I didn't realise why. This is how it looked here:
http://i52.tinypic.com/iwhm2r.jpg
>> You will have to explain in more detail if you want me to recognise
>> what you are annoyed about. Regardless, I'm sorry if I have
>> unwittingly upset you.
>
> If you look at the thread, and try to determine who initiated the
> "unnecessary" crosspost to "alt.privacy.spyware" it will appear to the
> uninitiated that it was *I* that did so. Those that understand how
> Usenet works *can* investigate further to see the post I was responding
> to had the line "Followup-To: alt.politics.scorched-earth,
> alt.privacy.spyware" in the header.
I've got it!
From: BoaterDave <Boate...@hotmail.co.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.scorched-earth
Subject: Re: What's so special about a single word?
Followup-To: alt.politics.scorched-earth, alt.privacy.spyware
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:05:42 -0700 (PDT)
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Lines: 22
Message-ID:
<639f4899-1314-47ca...@30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
> If you want to act like a troll, that is your prerogative. To add the
> crosspost in a manner that makes someone else look like a troll is also
> your prerogative, but I would hope that you wouldn't want to discourage
> *me* from continuing to engage you in conversation, as I have been
> generally civil towards you despite the fact that people I trust, wish
> that I would not respond to you at all, ever.
I apologise for doing something which appeared to put you at fault. I'm
sorry. It really wasn't intended to be that way.
You have been extremely helpful to me over the years and I do *not* want
to discourage you from engaging in conversation! I know you pull my leg
from time-to-time, but that's part of the fun of participating in
newsgroups! :)
SeaNymph
"FromTheRafters" <err...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
news:i8mrn3$v1f$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
I dislike crossposting immensely and I didn't notice or I would have removed
it. It's wrong.
I think I'll just go back to ignoring him.
>
>
FromTheRafters
Okay, so that might have misled you - once again, the benefit of the
doubt goes to you, but I realize that Peter may not have been expecting
*me* to add a crosspost, and that you were "using me" to perhaps trick
him.
Here, the followup-to is obvious:
http://hostphotofree.com/?bookmark=13789
...but my preview pane doesn't display that:
http://hostphotofree.com/?bookmark=13790
>>> You will have to explain in more detail if you want me to recognise
>>> what you are annoyed about. Regardless, I'm sorry if I have
>>> unwittingly upset you.
>>
>> If you look at the thread, and try to determine who initiated the
>> "unnecessary" crosspost to "alt.privacy.spyware" it will appear to
>> the
>> uninitiated that it was *I* that did so. Those that understand how
>> Usenet works *can* investigate further to see the post I was
>> responding
>> to had the line "Followup-To: alt.politics.scorched-earth,
>> alt.privacy.spyware" in the header.
>
> I've got it!
>
> From: BoaterDave <Boate...@hotmail.co.uk>
> Newsgroups: alt.politics.scorched-earth
> Subject: Re: What's so special about a single word?
> Followup-To: alt.politics.scorched-earth, alt.privacy.spyware
> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:05:42 -0700 (PDT)
> Organization: http://groups.google.com
> Lines: 22
> Message-ID:
> <639f4899-1314-47ca...@30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
Headers are one thing, but how a client interprets them and reacts to
them varies.
>> If you want to act like a troll, that is your prerogative. To add the
>> crosspost in a manner that makes someone else look like a troll is
>> also
>> your prerogative, but I would hope that you wouldn't want to
>> discourage
>> *me* from continuing to engage you in conversation, as I have been
>> generally civil towards you despite the fact that people I trust,
>> wish
>> that I would not respond to you at all, ever.
>
> I apologise for doing something which appeared to put you at fault.
> I'm sorry. It really wasn't intended to be that way.
I accept your apology, and want to note that I have nothing against the
good people in a.p.s. (even the ones with the shiny hats).
> You have been extremely helpful to me over the years and I do *not*
> want to discourage you from engaging in conversation! I know you pull
> my leg from time-to-time, but that's part of the fun of participating
> in newsgroups! :)
*Nobody* is safe from a little leg pulling. :oD
FromTheRafters
Actually, in was off-topic in *this* newsgroup. The posting of an
executable download or dangerous data file has nothing to do with a
political adaptation of a military battle strategy. However, I would
imagine spyware is often distributed in that manner.
So, which of the 'crossposted-to' groups should you remove?
It was BD's OP, his thread (so to speak), and when it drifted off topic
he "correctly" added a perhaps more knowledgeable group to the mix. That
he did it to help refute PF is a matter between he and PF - I don't care
so much, as I believe my opinion on this would stand in the technical
groups.
...not that I haven't been killfiled for not making any sense before.
My objection was to him using me to trick PF as he wouldn't be expecting
*me* to add a group, like a Usenet troll does.
> I think I'll just go back to ignoring him.
:o)
~BD~
> "SeaNymph" <SeaN...@deepbluesea.com> wrote in message
> news:i8ls25$35c$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Aardvark" <Aard...@youllnever.know> wrote in message
>> news:1cs7a6wkq4fr7.x...@40tude.net...
>>> On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 20:16:38 -0400, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Dustin" <bughunte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:Xns9E0ACE2ADDC9BHHI2948AJD832@no...
>>>>> "FromTheRafters" <err...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
>>>>> news:i8ln32$egq$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:yPednYdgGaVQpDPR...@bt.com...
>
> Did anyone notice that he added a crosspost in the middleof the thread
>
> CROSSPOST REMOVED
You had noticed *much* earlier! :)
Message-ID: <i7vpod$iip$1...@speranza.aioe.org>
But you failed to see it slipped back in!
It might have been an accident of fate - it happens!
<snip>
~BD~
[....]
>
> Actually, in was off-topic in *this* newsgroup.
Since I re-activated this group a year or so ago *anything* is on-topic!
Post about whatever takes your fancy! Let's leave the 'politics' out of
it, eh? <big evil grin>
One may see the transformation here:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.scorched-earth/about?hl=en
> The posting of an
> executable download or dangerous data file has nothing to do with a
> political adaptation of a military battle strategy. However, I would
> imagine spyware is often distributed in that manner.
Did *anyone* - in either newsgroup - report any malware being experienced?
Apart from PF that is!
> So, which of the 'crossposted-to' groups should you remove?
>
> It was BD's OP, his thread (so to speak), and when it drifted off topic
> he "correctly" added a perhaps more knowledgeable group to the mix. That
> he did it to help refute PF is a matter between he and PF - I don't care
> so much, as I believe my opinion on this would stand in the technical
> groups.
>
> ...not that I haven't been killfiled for not making any sense before.
That could be interpreted as an honour in some circles! ;-)
> My objection was to him using me to trick PF as he wouldn't be expecting
> *me* to add a group, like a Usenet troll does.
I'm not *that* clever FTR!
>
>> I think I'll just go back to ignoring him.
>
> :o)
I'll bet she can't do that!
<Aside> Jenn, fancy a wager?!!!
SeaNymph
I understand your objection. I also understand that many people prefer
discussions to remain wherever they began. Otherwise, what's the point of
different newsgroups? If people cared about what was going on in other
newsgroups, they'd just go there. The need to involve multiple uninterested
persons in his crap is just rude.
Personally, I don't care at all about the BD/PF saga, and I doubt there are
many who do. BD just likes to troll, he likes to spread his crap in as many
places as possible. I don't want to be part and parcel to that.
~BD~
[...]
>>> So, should I believe that you *accidently* added a.p.s. newsgroup?
>>>
>>> What, your finger slipped? :o)
>>
>> Hahaha! No, no accident. I *should have said *usually* avoid. You
>> *must* know by now that *everything* I do on-line is deliberate (but
>> sometimes I do not appreciate the consequences of my actions!)
>>
>> I wanted Peter Foldes to explain himself in front of those folk who
>> would recognise that he was lying (without him noticing). It appears
>> that I was successful!
>>
>>>> I had/have no wish or desire to make you look like a troll, FTR.
>>
>> I'll say that again. I did *not* intend that you, FTR, should appear
>> to be a troll. When I reviewed the result in SeaMonkey, the post did
>> appear somewhat odd, but I didn't realise why. This is how it looked
>> here: http://i52.tinypic.com/iwhm2r.jpg
>
> Okay, so that might have misled you - once again, the benefit of the
> doubt goes to you, but I realize that Peter may not have been expecting
> *me* to add a crosspost, and that you were "using me" to perhaps trick
> him.
No trick intended. 'Using you' had never crossed my mind.
> Here, the followup-to is obvious:
>
> http://hostphotofree.com/?bookmark=13789
>
> ...but my preview pane doesn't display that:
>
> http://hostphotofree.com/?bookmark=13790
I've got a problem here - they look like identical images to me.
>>>> You will have to explain in more detail if you want me to recognise
>>>> what you are annoyed about. Regardless, I'm sorry if I have
>>>> unwittingly upset you.
>>>
>>> If you look at the thread, and try to determine who initiated the
>>> "unnecessary" crosspost to "alt.privacy.spyware" it will appear to
>>> the
>>> uninitiated that it was *I* that did so. Those that understand how
>>> Usenet works *can* investigate further to see the post I was
>>> responding
>>> to had the line "Followup-To: alt.politics.scorched-earth,
>>> alt.privacy.spyware" in the header.
>>
>> I've got it!
>>
>> From: BoaterDave<Boate...@hotmail.co.uk>
>> Newsgroups: alt.politics.scorched-earth
>> Subject: Re: What's so special about a single word?
>> Followup-To: alt.politics.scorched-earth, alt.privacy.spyware
>> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:05:42 -0700 (PDT)
>> Organization: http://groups.google.com
>> Lines: 22
>> Message-ID:
>> <639f4899-1314-47ca...@30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
>
> Headers are one thing, but how a client interprets them and reacts to
> them varies.
I once thought they told the truth. I now know that they can be easily
manipulated by those who wish to do so. I didn't know anything about
headers until 5 years ago!
>>> If you want to act like a troll, that is your prerogative. To add the
>>> crosspost in a manner that makes someone else look like a troll is
>>> also
>>> your prerogative, but I would hope that you wouldn't want to
>>> discourage
>>> *me* from continuing to engage you in conversation, as I have been
>>> generally civil towards you despite the fact that people I trust,
>>> wish
>>> that I would not respond to you at all, ever.
>>
>> I apologise for doing something which appeared to put you at fault.
>> I'm sorry. It really wasn't intended to be that way.
>
> I accept your apology,
Thank you. It is sincere.
> and want to note that I have nothing against the
> good people in a.p.s. (even the ones with the shiny hats).
>
>> You have been extremely helpful to me over the years and I do *not*
>> want to discourage you from engaging in conversation! I know you pull
>> my leg from time-to-time, but that's part of the fun of participating
>> in newsgroups! :)
>
> *Nobody* is safe from a little leg pulling. :oD
Of course not! Apart from the very serious undertone of scorched-earth,
90% of posts should be about fun and entertainment. In 'aps' I hope that
the technical guys can keep me on a reasonable path!
Mike Easter
>>> FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>> I resent your use of "Followup-to:" to make me look like a troll.
> I wanted Peter Foldes to explain himself in front of those folk who
> would recognise that he was lying (without him noticing). It appears
> that I was successful!
>
>>> I had/have no wish or desire to make you look like a troll, FTR.
> From: BoaterDave <Boate...@hotmail.co.uk>
> Newsgroups: alt.politics.scorched-earth
> Subject: Re: What's so special about a single word?
> Followup-To: alt.politics.scorched-earth, alt.privacy.spyware
> I apologise for doing something which appeared to put you at fault.
Yet another example in which if you would put PF out of your mind and
not engage in a spat with him and just ignore his posts, your
'condition' around here would improve.
Lately it seems that about 2/3 of the things you do wrong in usenet are
related to PF.
Why don't you find some other outlet for your frustration with him, like
a punching bag or something, and not drag your reactions - anti-PF
behaviors - into the newsgroups? And what you do doesn't have the effect
you wish - it is one of those things in which when you point a finger at
someone, 3 fingers are pointing back at you. Your efforts to shine some
kind of light on PF only serve to illuminate your own foolishness.
You wouldn't react if you didn't see his posts. Your newsreader can do
that for you.
--
Mike Easter
s-e only
~BD~
> Personally, I don't care at all about the BD/PF saga, and I doubt there are
> many who do. BD just likes to troll, he likes to spread his crap in as many
> places as possible. I don't want to be part and parcel to that.
You are married to a "deep software engineer" (or so you claim).
You also know that I am concerned with all forms of malware and how it
is propagated. Especially the fact that it may run on a user's computer
without their knowledge.
My thread "Microsoft pitches PC isolation ward to defeat botnets" refers.
Yet not once, in more than 12 months, have you come forward and said
something along the lines of "I've noted your concerns BD. I've had a
chat to (my) David and he's suggested that ......".
Why is that?
SeaNymph
It's simple. I think you're stupid, and my husband is not. Either people
are concerned about it and handle it or they are not. Your ongoing nonsense
is not going to change that. Take your crap elsewhere. You beat people to
death with that crap.
Mike Easter
> You also know that I am concerned with all forms of malware and how it
> is propagated.
You don't know how to handle your concern/s correctly.
> Especially the fact that it may run on a user's computer
> without their knowledge.
I think the broadband providers who have bots operating on their network
have a responsibility to identify them - their activity - and cut off
those clients internet access and not let them reconnect until a
qualified specialist has 'investigated' and pronounced their system
clean. Whether that requires onsite or can be done remotely is a complex
subject.
I don't like MS's idea about how to do it.
If the providers were licensed and could be fined and lose their license
to connect to their own providers and backbones and the internet
themselves, then the 'enforcement' could take place along provider
channels - upstream monitoring downstream - without big brother doing
anything but the licensing and rule making.
> Yet not once, in more than 12 months, have you come forward and said
> something along the lines of "I've noted your concerns BD. I've had a
> chat to (my) David and he's suggested that ......".
Good grief. That is the most ridiculous thing you've said today.
Do you think that people around here are empathetically responsive to
how /your/ concerns affect how /you/ think and act? Your concerns cause
you to act badly, kinda goofy. Somehow you think that _your_ concerns
should cause other people to 'bond' with you in some way, to 'tend' to
you, like a nursemaid. That's pretty nuts.
> Why is that?
--
Mike Easter
~BD~
[....]
>
> Yet another example in which if you would put PF out of your mind and
> not engage in a spat with him and just ignore his posts, your
> 'condition' around here would improve.
>
> Lately it seems that about 2/3 of the things you do wrong in usenet are
> related to PF.
>
> Why don't you find some other outlet for your frustration with him, like
> a punching bag or something, and not drag your reactions - anti-PF
> behaviors - into the newsgroups? And what you do doesn't have the effect
> you wish - it is one of those things in which when you point a finger at
> someone, 3 fingers are pointing back at you. Your efforts to shine some
> kind of light on PF only serve to illuminate your own foolishness.
>
> You wouldn't react if you didn't see his posts. Your newsreader can do
> that for you.
Your concern for me is much appreciated, Mike - truly.
If you, or anyone else I trust, can convince me that PF and his cohorts
are of no threat to those dear to me, indeed to anyone, then I'll
happily retire from the chase.
Here is an extract of an email which I have recently sent to an ex-pat
in Toronto - who claims that he has met Peter Foldes 'in the flesh':
**
"Your message says much as you had told me before. My memory isn't good
enough to tell lies either!
What I have difficulty with is the frail, elderly, man you portray
making a post like this:-
David Brooks is a liar and fucking Troll. You are a piece of shit and
you stink accordingly. You have no dead son and fuck the sympathy for
you on this matter. Rot in hell and may everyday bring shit down on you.
You are a sorry excuse for a human being and one deranged idiot at that.
Go and stick a human rod in your mouth and pretend that it is a popsicle
and have at it. You are a toothless wonder and hope your dentures fall
into the sewer. You are an asshole and on top of it you are a Troll. In
other words David. Fuck You.
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.test.here/msg/b657a9ff28eb4be5?hl=en
What you say about him returning to A/C as Derek Feldman makes sense".
**
All I have *ever* sought is the truth. The truth *will* out! :)
HTH
Dave
FromTheRafters
> FromTheRafters wrote:
[...]
>> Okay, so that might have misled you - once again, the benefit of the
>> doubt goes to you, but I realize that Peter may not have been
>> expecting
>> *me* to add a crosspost, and that you were "using me" to perhaps
>> trick
>> him.
>
> No trick intended. 'Using you' had never crossed my mind.
>
>> Here, the followup-to is obvious:
>>
>> http://hostphotofree.com/?bookmark=13789
>>
>> ...but my preview pane doesn't display that:
>>
>> http://hostphotofree.com/?bookmark=13790
>
> I've got a problem here - they look like identical images to me.
For some reason, the second image I uploaded, replaced the first (same
name was used).
This should have been the first:
http://hostphotofree.com/?bookmark=13795
...that is, if it works this time; hostphotofree.com has its quirks, it
wouldn;t accept my PNG file even though it says it should, and now has
my second upload replace my first apparently because of the non-unique
name.
[...]
FromTheRafters
news:8h8pdr...@mid.individual.net...
*And* he's a musician, did you know that?
http://hostphotofree.com/?bookmark=13797
FromTheRafters
news:4caf3628.2076218@EDCBIC...
> FromTheRafters wrote:
>>
>>I don't, as a rule, add or remove crossposts.
>
> to only respond to the group I'm reading
> and always deletes xposts.
Are you using "Agent"? ISTR X-Face related to Agent but something makes
me think others use that also.
OE is not nearly as adept and feature rich as many other newsreaders,
especially in its filtering mechanisms.
~BD~
Do you see what you intended me to see now? At first sight all images
look the same here.
~BD~
[....]
>
> *And* he's a musician, did you know that?
>
> http://hostphotofree.com/?bookmark=13797
>
Rubbish. *That* is David Kaye - isn't it?!! ;-)
~BD~
> ~BD~ wrote:
>
>> You also know that I am concerned with all forms of malware and how it
>> is propagated.
>
> You don't know how to handle your concern/s correctly.
I believe you should have prepended that statement with "IMO"
>> Especially the fact that it may run on a user's computer without their
>> knowledge.
>
> I think the broadband providers who have bots operating on their network
> have a responsibility to identify them - their activity - and cut off
> those clients internet access and not let them reconnect until a
> qualified specialist has 'investigated' and pronounced their system
> clean. Whether that requires onsite or can be done remotely is a complex
> subject.
>
> I don't like MS's idea about how to do it.
>
> If the providers were licensed and could be fined and lose their license
> to connect to their own providers and backbones and the internet
> themselves, then the 'enforcement' could take place along provider
> channels - upstream monitoring downstream - without big brother doing
> anything but the licensing and rule making.
I agree that the ISP's should do more to protect their users.
>> Yet not once, in more than 12 months, have you come forward and said
>> something along the lines of "I've noted your concerns BD. I've had a
>> chat to (my) David and he's suggested that ......".
>
> Good grief. That is the most ridiculous thing you've said today.
*You* may think that. My comment prompted a response from SN when she'd
said she was going to ignore me. Had Jenn placed a bet against me, she'd
have lost! ;-)
> Do you think that people around here are empathetically responsive to
> how /your/ concerns affect how /you/ think and act? Your concerns cause
> you to act badly, kinda goofy. Somehow you think that _your_ concerns
> should cause other people to 'bond' with you in some way, to 'tend' to
> you, like a nursemaid. That's pretty nuts.
In 'real life' I 'bond' with people. Why do you think that should not be
possible here? I've had some great conversations with Jenn (plus
'hellos' to her husband, son and one of her daughters) and, despite poor
quality reception, with Dave Eagle in California. I've even chatted to
Aardvark (once, anyway! He wouldn't use a webcam 'cause he's ugly <g>)
Yup - I'm kinda goofy. As I've said before 'ordinary' guys don't strap
themselves into a Martin Baker ejection seat! :)
Jenn
I've even
> chatted to Aardvark (once, anyway! He wouldn't use a webcam 'cause
> he's ugly <g>)
I thought it was because he didn't like to smile!
--
Jenn (from Oklahoma)
http://pqlr.org/bbs/
FromTheRafters
> Mike Easter wrote:
[...]
>> I think the broadband providers who have bots operating on their
>> network
>> have a responsibility to identify them - their activity - and cut off
>> those clients internet access and not let them reconnect until a
>> qualified specialist has 'investigated' and pronounced their system
>> clean. Whether that requires onsite or can be done remotely is a
>> complex
>> subject.
>>
>> I don't like MS's idea about how to do it.
Hmmm, I guess I'll have to read that to know how they are planning to
implement control.
It makes sense to use the ISP's unique position to detect botnet
activity, bots could hide their activity from each localmachine, but
their actual network traffic cannot be hidden.
>> If the providers were licensed and could be fined and lose their
>> license
>> to connect to their own providers and backbones and the internet
>> themselves, then the 'enforcement' could take place along provider
>> channels - upstream monitoring downstream - without big brother doing
>> anything but the licensing and rule making.
So all others using that ISP, the ones *not* running bots, have no
connectivity until the ISP enforces policy on those that do run bots, to
satisfy higher-ups?
> I agree that the ISP's should do more to protect their users.
Hmmm, the real thing is that they protect *the rest of us* from their
own bot infested users by isolating them until they clean up their act.
It bears keeping in mind, also, that many bots these days have updating
mechanisms and thus have the ability to become autoworms whenever a new
exploit is discovered. If you have multiple nodes capable of spewing
autoworms to hitlisted targets, you can have a devasting attack portion
(the onset) of the worms population envelope waveform.
Botnets are a powerful tool just waiting to be used.
[...]
FromTheRafters
[...]
http://hostphotofree.com/?bookmark=13795
> Do you see what you intended me to see now? At first sight all images
> look the same here.
This one above, shows the "Followup-to" as crossposted and the
"Newsgroups" as a.p.s-e. alone.
...I'm done here...I'm pretty sure nobody really cares about this in
either group.
FromTheRafters
:oD
I'd say that was a gay costume, but the political correctness brigade
would hound me for it.
...so I won't. :o\
~BD~
Hahaha! This is where most folk would demand a new monitor! ;-)
Mike Easter
>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>> If the providers were licensed and could be fined and lose their
>>> license to connect to their own providers and backbones and the
>>> internet themselves, then the 'enforcement' could take place
>>> along provider channels - upstream monitoring downstream -
>>> without big brother doing anything but the licensing and rule
>>> making.
>
> So all others using that ISP, the ones *not* running bots, have no
> connectivity until the ISP enforces policy on those that do run bots, to
> satisfy higher-ups?
My vision would be that no provider would lose their license unless they
were some kind of Chinese or Romanian total scofflaw. The usual
situation would be pressure from their upstreams and peers to not be
carrying 'unlicensed' traffic -- because the upstreams/ peers/ backbones
could potentially 'get in trouble' - get fined themselves - for carrying
the unlicensed traffic of the provider.
If there is a 'motivation' for the providers and those who connect to
them to take care of business, then the providers will do it. Right now
and over the past some-odd years, the big providers have been getting
together and making alliances and saying they are going to clean house,
but it almost always turns out to be 'too much trouble'.
Instead they put some measure or another in place such as port 25
blocking that helps a little and carry on in the usual fashion.
What it amounts to is that the providers don't want to cut off their
customers/clients even when the client is identified as trafficking.
That needs to change and the providers can change it; but the problem is
that there is no 'teeth' in the forces to *make* the providers act.
There need to be teeth. The best kind of teeth is the potential for
being fined and the pressure of their peers and such. The loss of
license (and going out of business) is the conceptual ultimate weapon
rarely used.
> Botnets are a powerful tool just waiting to be used.
A form of national insecurity in addition to being a criminal process
over which LE has little to no control.
--
Mike Easter
SeaNymph
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> ~BD~ wrote:
>>
>
>>> Yet not once, in more than 12 months, have you come forward and said
>>> something along the lines of "I've noted your concerns BD. I've had a
>>> chat to (my) David and he's suggested that ......".
>>
>> Good grief. That is the most ridiculous thing you've said today.
>
> *You* may think that. My comment prompted a response from SN when she'd
> said she was going to ignore me. Had Jenn placed a bet against me, she'd
> have lost! ;-)
Liar! Why don't you read what I posted and try again you stupid moron.
~BD~
You'll be cross with me again now! :(
I was looking for changes in the 'white' part of the image (viewing
pane?) and not the yellowy-grey part above it! My only excuse is that
I'm becoming less familiar with OE6 as each day passes, but it does
highlight a need for clear explanation as well as clear understanding.
OT now.
As you've provided an image of your XP screen ......
In the system tray, bottom RH corner, next to the volume icon, there's a
little TV/computer screen which you'll have noticed goes blue whenever
there is activity uploading or downloading. To the rhs there are little
)))'s - have you noticed that sometimes they are white and sometimes green?
I once asked on AumHa why this happened - and was told that it *didn't*
happen by the resident gurus. Someone else eventually posted in my
support and then there was some back-pedaling - but Jim Eshelman was not
a happy bunny to have been 'caught-out' as it were.
I expect some would call that an "idiotic question"!
Just thought I'd share that with you! ;-)
Dave
~BD~
Wow! You've failed to ignore me yet again! ;-)
~BD~
You said "I think I'll just go back to ignoring him."
Perhaps you'll explain exactly what I misunderstood?
~BD~
> "~BD~"<~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
> news:0Y6dnQHBb9yIqDLR...@bt.com...
[....]
>>
>> You are married to a "deep software engineer" (or so you claim).
>>
>> You also know that I am concerned with all forms of malware and how it is
>> propagated. Especially the fact that it may run on a user's computer
>> without their knowledge.
>>
>> My thread "Microsoft pitches PC isolation ward to defeat botnets" refers.
>>
>> Yet not once, in more than 12 months, have you come forward and said
>> something along the lines of "I've noted your concerns BD. I've had a chat
>> to (my) David and he's suggested that ......".
>>
>> Why is that?
>
> It's simple. I think you're stupid, and my husband is not.
Cough! Ahem. Wrong way around - *I* didn't marry you! :)
> Either people are concerned about it and handle it or they are not.
> Your ongoing nonsense is not going to change that. Take your crap
elsewhere.
> You beat people to death with that crap.
Before *you* depart for pastures new, SN, tell me why you think advising
everyday guys about the way malware has changed over the past decade is
not a worthwhile cause. Maybe explain, too, why the Annexcafe hierarchy
make absolutely no effort to keep its membership aware of what is
happening on the malware scene. As a loyal member, you know this to be
true, don't you?
No doubt someone will correct me if action *has* been taken since I last
explored the Annexcafe groups.
FYI I'm often talking to Mrs BD about comments made by Jenn, Aardvark
and FTR (as examples) and especially, of course, Peter Foldes!
What's in a Name?
> So, should I believe that you *accidently* added a.p.s. newsgroup?
>
> What, your finger slipped? :o)
excerpt from Last Boy Scout (Bruce Willis)
lbs-accident.wav
http://new.wavlist.com/movies/137/index.html
--
USER ERROR: replace user and press any key to continue
Max Wachtel #393236
RonNNN
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> You don't know how to handle your concern/s correctly.
>
> I believe you should have prepended that statement with "IMO"
No, it should have been "IEEO" (In Everyone Else's Opinion)
~BD~
<shrug>
Have *you* EVER seen any 'caution/sdvice' given to Annexcafe newsgroup
members about the massive changes in malware over the last few years?
RonNNN
Dave, when I graduated from *pong* to the Internet, I took it upon myself to
take responsibility for my own actions.
I have a suggestion. Why don't you worry about "Boater Dave" and let
everyone else worry about their own security?
Nobody in their right mind takes anything you say seriously.
Almost everyone else (aside from Jenn) thinks you are a Troll... (even your
buddy Ard thinks you're a Troll).
What I do know is that you are a "cross-posting fuckwit" and, someone who I
knew ahead of time, wouldn't uphold his end of the bargain we made about
cross-posting ~vs~ top-posting. That makes you a "loser" at the very least.
"Welch" is the word that comes to mind.
Aardvark
> 'ordinary' guys don't strap
> themselves into a Martin Baker ejection seat! :)
Is there any other make of ejector seat?
FromTheRafters
> FromTheRafters wrote:
>>"ASCII" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>news:4caf3628.2076218@EDCBIC...
>>> FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I don't, as a rule, add or remove crossposts.
>>>
>>> My newsreader is configured when replying,
>>> to only respond to the group I'm reading
>>> and always deletes xposts.
>
> If, and only if, the message responded to contains xposts
> this box appears http://bit.ly/bNmn1W
> but my (can be overridden) default choice is to delete xposts
Nice to have such a prompt.
>>Are you using "Agent"?
>
> Yep, v1.93 since way back in the days of yore,
> when RaiD was 'still' an active distributor.
>
>>ISTR X-Face related to Agent but something makes
>>me think others use that also.
>
> X-Face isn't uniquely 'related' to Agent
> but can be easily inserted in the header info.
> which reminds me I need to create a better graphic for mine.
> (I just tried a different font, whatcha think?)
I'm only using OE now, so no graphic for X-Face.
>>OE is not nearly as adept and feature rich as many other newsreaders,
>>especially in its filtering mechanisms.
>
> If you're talking about incoming filters, it's hard to beat nfilter,
> which plays real well with OE, agent, and others.
> http://www.nfilter.org/
Thanks, I'll remember that when I need to improve my filtering
capabilities. Right now, it's not so bad.
~BD~
[....]
>> Have *you* EVER seen any 'caution/sdvice' given to Annexcafe newsgroup
>> members about the massive changes in malware over the last few years?
>
> Dave,
RonNNN - Hi! :)
I can only interpret your avoidance as a resounding *no*!
> when I graduated from *pong* to the Internet, I took it upon
> myself to take responsibility for my own actions.
Just as you should have done. Yet you were the one (*only* one as far as
I'm aware) who got zapped by the Malvertisement a while back and ended
up purchasing a new computer. I was impressed, though, that you didn't
complain about it.
> I have a suggestion. Why don't you worry about "Boater Dave" and let
> everyone else worry about their own security?
You don't seem to have grasped matters at all! I don't worry about
anything nowadays and am not in any way concerned for myself. It was
'Sysop Ann' from the UK U2U who informed me that the vast majority of
people co-opted to the Annexcafe groups were the less fortunate amongst
us - those who had found the then MSN groups a lifeline, many of them
being disabled and/or unemployed.
In other words, not necessarily the most computer savvy folk. As a
pastoral figure I believe Mr Gooden had, indeed has, a responsibility
to, at the very least, inform his members from time to time of the new
and significant dangers on the Internet.
Hasn't it crossed your mind that such a 'group' could /easily/ be used
and abused *from within* without their knowledge? Perhaps you should
give that some thought.
> Nobody in their right mind takes anything you say seriously.
They should. Cybercrime is a *really* serious business!
> Almost everyone else (aside from Jenn) thinks you are a Troll... (even
> your buddy Ard thinks you're a Troll).
I don't much care what others think of me. I care about others, in real
life too, and try to help them whenever and wherever I can.
> What I do know is that you are a "cross-posting fuckwit" and, someone
> who I knew ahead of time, wouldn't uphold his end of the bargain we made
> about cross-posting ~vs~ top-posting. That makes you a "loser" at the
> very least. "Welch" is the word that comes to mind.
I made a mistake and I admitted it. A *real* man would have accepted my
apology when it was given (rather as FromTheRafters has done recently).
Interesting that the 'misdemeanour' revolved around the same
cross-posting concern, to me anyway. As Jenn, I think, commented
afterwards once you had refused to accept my apology the 'agreement'
between us became null and void.
~BD~
Yup!
Explore here for a bit http://www.ejectionsite.com/emakers.htm
Around the rest of the world, Martin-Baker is probably the most prolific
manufacturer with over 68,000 ejection seats manufactured. The Russian
company Zvezda may be the only comparable manufacturer. Zvezda is the
manufacturer of both the K-36D ejection seat fitted to the MIG-29 and
SU-27 aircraft and the K-37 helicopter ejection seat fitted to the Ka-50
Havok (aka Black Shark). The K-36D seat has been demonstrated quite
effectively at airshows in Paris and England. The K-36 seat has been
extensively remade in anticipation of use in the United States aircraft
market. The firm IBP Aerospace was to be the primary manufacturer of the
K-36 3.5A and K-36 3.5L variants in the US. Goodrich Safety Systems
Division purchased the K-36 3.5 program and is now in charge of the
majority of American seat manufacture with all three major systems to be
produced in the US.
RonNNN
<snip>
> Just as you should have done. Yet you were the one (*only* one as far as
> I'm aware) who got zapped by the Malvertisement a while back and ended up
> purchasing a new computer. I was impressed, though, that you didn't
> complain about it.
Where did you ever get that idea? I bought this laptop after my old XP would
not boot up after the electric co. swapped out our old analog meter with the
new digital one. I guess it got zapped alright, but not by malware. After it
sat unplugged for about a week, I tried it again, and it booted up just
fine, and is still up and running in our spare bedroom as I type.
<snip>
>> What I do know is that you are a "cross-posting fuckwit" ...
> I made a mistake and I admitted it. A *real* man would have accepted my
> apology when it was given (rather as FromTheRafters has done recently).
> Interesting that the 'misdemeanour' revolved around the same cross-posting
> concern, to me anyway. As Jenn, I think, commented afterwards once you had
> refused to accept my apology the 'agreement' between us became null and
> void.
A *real* man would stand by his word even *after* making a mistake. I'm
still standing by my word not to top post because that's what the majority
of people here want. From what I've seen, the majority would prefer for you
to stop cross-posting. Man up!
Mike Easter
> A *real* man would have accepted my
> apology when it was given
Now _there's_ a topic to be considered!
BD 'gets to' act like a complete idiot over and again while he then
repetitively apologizes and grovels and fawns in obsequious gestures of
recompense.
--
Mike Easter
SeaNymph
> SeaNymph wrote:
>> "~BD~"<~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
>> news:0Y6dnQHBb9yIqDLR...@bt.com...
>
> [....]
>>>
>>> You are married to a "deep software engineer" (or so you claim).
>>>
>>> You also know that I am concerned with all forms of malware and how it
>>> is
>>> propagated. Especially the fact that it may run on a user's computer
>>> without their knowledge.
>>>
>>> My thread "Microsoft pitches PC isolation ward to defeat botnets"
>>> refers.
>>>
>>> Yet not once, in more than 12 months, have you come forward and said
>>> something along the lines of "I've noted your concerns BD. I've had a
>>> chat
>>> to (my) David and he's suggested that ......".
>>>
>>> Why is that?
>>
>> It's simple. I think you're stupid, and my husband is not.
>
> Cough! Ahem. Wrong way around - *I* didn't marry you! :)
You are not a good man, in spite of what you continue to try and make people
believe.
>
>> Either people are concerned about it and handle it or they are not.
> > Your ongoing nonsense is not going to change that. Take your crap
> elsewhere.
> > You beat people to death with that crap.
>
> Before *you* depart for pastures new, SN, tell me why you think advising
> everyday guys about the way malware has changed over the past decade is
> not a worthwhile cause. Maybe explain, too, why the Annexcafe hierarchy
> make absolutely no effort to keep its membership aware of what is
> happening on the malware scene. As a loyal member, you know this to be
> true, don't you?
It's not your business to concern yourself with what other people choose or
don't choose to do. This is not the venue for it either. You don't make
decisions for others and since most people find you to be a consumate liar,
no one believes much of what you say anyway.
What people in charge of AC do is not my business or yours. I don't know
why they do what they do, nor do I waste a second of my time worrying about
it.
Fact is, you're an old, useless busybody who has nothing worthwhile to
occupy your time, so instead, you bore people with your crap.
And BTW, you have nothing to say about what I do, or where and when I do it.
You're a stupid old man who tries to make people believe you aren't. You
are rude and hateful and think people give a rat's ass about what you
believe. They don't. You are insignificant and you really need to get your
own life and keep your nose out of other people's business.
Jenn
>>
>> Cough! Ahem. Wrong way around - *I* didn't marry you! :)
> You are not a good man, in spite of what you continue to try and make
> people believe.
Wrong ... Dave IS a good man despite his ability to ask irritating questions
that people don't want to either see asked or just don't agree with them
being asked.
<snip>
>>As a loyal member,
>> you know this to be true, don't you?
> It's not your business to concern yourself with what other people
> choose or don't choose to do.
So why do you do it? .... why do YOU concern yourself with what other
people choose or don't choose to do??
> This is not the venue for it either.
Who died and put YOU in charge?
> Fact is, you're an old, useless busybody who has nothing worthwhile to
> occupy your time, so instead, you bore people with your crap.
You believe you are being a good moral person by calling a senior citizen
"old, and useless"?? Gee .... Is that what you believe about older people??
> You're a stupid old man who tries to make people believe you aren't.
Stupid men aren't smart enough to fly jets OR be Air Traffic Controllers.
--
Jenn (from Oklahoma)
RonNNN
"ASCII" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message news:4cb196ce.1454500@EDCBIC...
> RonNNN wrote:
>>I bought this laptop after my old XP would
>>not boot up after the electric co. swapped out our old analog meter with
>>the
>>new digital one. I guess it got zapped alright, but not by malware. After
>>it
>>sat unplugged for about a week, I tried it again, and it booted up just
>>fine, and is still up and running in our spare bedroom as I type.
>
> You might want to try a new CMOS battery, usually a CR-2032,
> and they do deplete eventually, so slow it's easy to forget about them.
Although I don't think the CMOS battery would keep the computer from booting
up, it doesn't really matter to me anymore, since I have since pulled
everything I wanted to save from that hard drive onto an external drive.
Mostly just pictures. Not many programs from XP are needed anymore.
Eagle
> You're a stupid old man who tries to make people believe you aren't. You are
> rude and hateful and think people give a rat's ass about what you believe.
> They don't. You are insignificant and you really need to get your own life
> and keep your nose out of other people's business.
My step-mom used to tell me that what others say about someone is
usually what they feel about themselves.
--
Eagle
Alfred E. Obama for President
"What...me worry?"
Aardvark
> I'm often talking to Mrs BD about comments made by Jenn, Aardvark
> and FTR (as examples) and especially, of course, Peter Foldes!
I rarely mention online stuff to anyone in RL.
Eagle
Same here. I have a life outside this venue and won't let the petty BS
from cybre-kooks get into that life.
Dustin
news:zM6dne2e5P1HSjPR...@bt.com:
> Dustin wrote:
>> "FromTheRafters"<err...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
>> news:i8ln32$egq$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>> "~BD~"<~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
>>> news:yPednYdgGaVQpDPR...@bt.com...
>>>
>>> If you want to add a crosspost, do it yourself - please do not
>>> attempt to make it look like *I* added it.
>>>
>>> I resent your use of "Followup-to:" to make me look like a troll.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> LOL. Trust me, he doesn't care if you resent something he does.
>> It'll continue under the guise of friendship until you smarten up.
>> ;p
>
> An example of *why* Jenn *doesn't* trust you!
I'm not sure what you mean by this comment. If anything, it stands to
reason the remark I made is more factual than opinion; based on your
own posting history.
> I *do* care about FTR's concerns and feelings.
Sure you do. :)
> OTOH, Peter Foldes lies all the time and the renowned MVP Robear
> Dyer has lied too.
You've lied a bit yourself, BD.
--
Some people are like a Slinky. Not much good for anything, but you
can't help but smile when one tumbles down the stairs.
~BD~
> ~BD~<~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
> news:zM6dne2e5P1HSjPR...@bt.com:
>
>> Dustin wrote:
>>> "FromTheRafters"<err...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
>>> news:i8ln32$egq$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>
>>>> "~BD~"<~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
>>>> news:yPednYdgGaVQpDPR...@bt.com...
>>>>
>>>> If you want to add a crosspost, do it yourself - please do not
>>>> attempt to make it look like *I* added it.
>>>>
>>>> I resent your use of "Followup-to:" to make me look like a troll.
>>>
>>> LOL. Trust me, he doesn't care if you resent something he does.
>>> It'll continue under the guise of friendship until you smarten up.
>>> ;p
>>
>> An example of *why* Jenn *doesn't* trust you!
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by this comment. If anything, it stands to
> reason the remark I made is more factual than opinion; based on your
> own posting history.
Perhaps I misunderstood, Dustin - but you seemed to be saying you *knew*
how FromTheRafters felt about something. Surely that could only have
been supposition on your part, not *the truth* as in "Trust me"!
>> I *do* care about FTR's concerns and feelings.
>
> Sure you do. :)
I realise you are being cynical - but I really *do* care! :)
>> OTOH, Peter Foldes lies all the time and the renowned MVP Robear
>> Dyer has lied too.
>
> You've lied a bit yourself, BD.
You have cited no examples, Dustin, but I'll let that pass.
I've a suspicion you may have missed reading this recent post of mine as
you did not respond.
I'd changed the 'subject' line in a thread to read ........
*A public apology to Dustin Cook*
You must now decide how you wish to respond. Please pause for a little
thought before jumping straight back into an affray! :)
--
Dave
~BD~
> FromTheRafters wrote:
[....]
>
>> Botnets are a powerful tool just waiting to be used.
>
> A form of national insecurity in addition to being a criminal process
> over which LE has little to no control.
Please qualify 'LE' Mike. TIA
FromTheRafters
"FromTheRafters" <err...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message news:...> news:h4OdnTKLxrjUuSnR...@bt.com...
>
>
>
FromTheRafters
Aardvark
> Please qualify 'LE' Mike.
'Law Enforcement'.
--
The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were probably fired by
the Government of Oceania itself, ’just to keep people frightened’.
This was an idea that had literally never occurred to him.
--- George Orwell, 1984
~BD~
> On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 10:03:04 +0100, ~BD~ wrote:
>
>> Please qualify 'LE' Mike.
>
> 'Law Enforcement'.
>
>
>
~BD~
> "~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
> news:WMydnfqOIfOGjS3R...@bt.com...
>
> <snip>
>
>> Just as you should have done. Yet you were the one (*only* one as far
>> as I'm aware) who got zapped by the Malvertisement a while back and
>> ended up purchasing a new computer. I was impressed, though, that you
>> didn't complain about it.
>
> Where did you ever get that idea? I bought this laptop after my old XP
> would not boot up after the electric co. swapped out our old analog
> meter with the new digital one. I guess it got zapped alright, but not
> by malware. After it sat unplugged for about a week, I tried it again,
> and it booted up just fine, and is still up and running in our spare
> bedroom as I type.
>
My memory playing tricks, I guess! Here's the last post I made about
malware attacking your computer - you didn't respond.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.scorched-earth/msg/597c7d3be43cd12a?hl=en e7d66770563585
> <snip>
>
>>> What I do know is that you are a "cross-posting fuckwit" ...
>
>> I made a mistake and I admitted it. A *real* man would have accepted
>> my apology when it was given (rather as FromTheRafters has done
>> recently). Interesting that the 'misdemeanour' revolved around the
>> same cross-posting concern, to me anyway. As Jenn, I think, commented
>> afterwards once you had refused to accept my apology the 'agreement'
>> between us became null and void.
>
> A *real* man would stand by his word even *after* making a mistake. I'm
> still standing by my word not to top post because that's what the
> majority of people here want. From what I've seen, the majority would
> prefer for you to stop cross-posting. Man up!
It's really good to see that you overcame your prejudice, RonNNN - what
a shame that Leo couldn't do likewise!
I had hoped that you would have noticed that I *have* taken heed of what
others feel is appropriate and curtailed to some degree the action which
irritates some folk (yet I still wonder exactly why there's such an
aversion to sharing information!)
RonNNN
> I had hoped that you would have noticed that I *have* taken heed of what
> others feel is appropriate and curtailed to some degree the action which
> irritates some folk (yet I still wonder exactly why there's such an
> aversion to sharing information!)
Did you ever wonder *why* there are so many newsgroups?
Perhaps it's to "group" information into appropriate content. In fact, it
would probably be a good idea for you to propose an "alt.bd.pf.fuckfest"
group! Sheesh! And while your at it, propose a "jennandseanymphshow" group!
[G] <<<<==== (everyone... please pay particular attention to the great BIG
"G"! )
FromTheRafters
"RonNNN" <nr...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:so7to.11$Bv...@newsfe11.iad...
A rating...for general audiences?
I would suggest at least a PG.
RonNNN
"FromTheRafters" <err...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
news:i931oj$79v$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> A rating...for general audiences?
>
> I would suggest at least a PG.
Or perhaps ever "R" (for redundant)...
~BD~
[....]
>
> Botnets are a powerful tool just waiting to be used.
>
I agree with that statement (and agree with the other points you made!)
My conjecture in the past has been that folk signing up with Annexcafe
and/or AumHa might have unwittingly been co-opted into a botnet without
their knowledge.
*How* can someone determine, simply, that is *not* the case?
--
Dave - I was going to cross-post to 'alt.privacy.spyware' - but didn't!
~BD~
> "~BD~"<~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
> news:0NKdnThQNODOETLR...@bt.com...
>> SeaNymph wrote:
>>> "~BD~"<~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
>>> news:0Y6dnQHBb9yIqDLR...@bt.com...
>>
>> [....]
>>>>
>>>> You are married to a "deep software engineer" (or so you claim).
>>>>
>>>> You also know that I am concerned with all forms of malware and how it
>>>> is
>>>> propagated. Especially the fact that it may run on a user's computer
>>>> without their knowledge.
>>>>
>>>> My thread "Microsoft pitches PC isolation ward to defeat botnets"
>>>> refers.
>>>>
>>>> Yet not once, in more than 12 months, have you come forward and said
>>>> something along the lines of "I've noted your concerns BD. I've had a
>>>> chat to (my) David and he's suggested that ......".
>>>>
>>>> Why is that?
>>>
>>> It's simple. I think you're stupid, and my husband is not.
>>
>> Cough! Ahem. Wrong way around - *I* didn't marry you! :)
>
> You are not a good man, in spite of what you continue to try and make people
> believe.
I do strive to be good but do have human frailties like everyone else! :)
Perhaps your David knows little about modern malware. Is that the *real*
reason? It's nothing to be ashamed about - few people care!
[....]
>> Before *you* depart for pastures new, SN, tell me why you think advising
>> everyday guys about the way malware has changed over the past decade is
>> not a worthwhile cause. Maybe explain, too, why the Annexcafe hierarchy
>> make absolutely no effort to keep its membership aware of what is
>> happening on the malware scene. As a loyal member, you know this to be
>> true, don't you?
>
> It's not your business to concern yourself with what other people choose or
> don't choose to do. This is not the venue for it either.
Funny you should say that! I would never have known anything about
Annexcafe had Peter Foldes not directed a mystical Kuay Tim to send me
an email suggesting I go to User2User. As you might imagine, a chap like
me was highly suspicious of the motive behind said invitation! <beg>
> You don't make decisions for others
Sorry. It's a lifetime habit so to do. Hard to break!
> and since most people find you to be a consumate liar,
> no one believes much of what you say anyway.
Is that right?
I'm sorry to disappoint you SN - I tell the truth.
> What people in charge of AC do is not my business or yours. I don't know
> why they do what they do, nor do I waste a second of my time worrying about
> it.
Surely you know that there is no such thing as a free lunch?
> Fact is, you're an old, useless busybody who has nothing worthwhile to
> occupy your time, so instead, you bore people with your crap.
Old? Me? Ask SWMBO - I've never /actually/ grown up!
I wonder why you think Cybercrime is 'crap'. Do you know something about
it which I do not?
> And BTW, you have nothing to say about what I do, or where and when I do it.
If you continue with your aggressive way of posting, SN, I'm afraid your
ability to post in this group *will* be curtailed. I strongly urge you
to adopt a more reasonable attitude - towards *everyone* here.
> You're a stupid old man who tries to make people believe you aren't. You
> are rude and hateful and think people give a rat's ass about what you
> believe. They don't. You are insignificant and you really need to get your
> own life and keep your nose out of other people's business.
OK - I've got that. :)
How does it feel to be so wrong about things all the time, Linda?
Btw - I visited the Roman Bath's with my sister on Monday - I haven't
been there since my children were /very/ small - there have been many
improvements made in recent years! Afterwards, we had coffee in The Pump
Room - and rather splendid it is too! :)
http://www.romanbaths.co.uk/pump_room.aspx
There's much to explore on the web site. Enjoy!
BD
Aardvark
> If you continue with your aggressive way of posting, SN, I'm afraid your
> ability to post in this group *will* be curtailed. I strongly urge you
> to adopt a more reasonable attitude - towards *everyone* here.
How does the expression 'fuck off' grab you?