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1. Do something wrong and you earned a session with the strap administered
by Mom.
2. If rule 1 did not correct the problem you earned a session with the
strap administered by Dad.
There never was a need for a third rule.
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Jenn wrote:
> no it isn't
>
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It might if it's a boy! ;)
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Don't bite, Jenn. ;)
I completely understand what you have said/described.
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Jenn wrote:
> No .. I didn't beat the *sh*t* out of my kids and then hug them...
>
> I swatted their butts with a paddle 1, 2, or 3 times depending on the
> rule they broke. That does not constitute "beating". It's no
> different than swatting their hand when they reach to touch a hot
> stove. It's also a very effective method that teaches them cause and
> effect - taking responsibility for their actions by receiving a specific
> punishment.
>
> A punishment isn't supposed to make them feel good. It's supposed to
> get their attention and be unpleasant.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Jenn
>
> "bird brain" <no...@flockinghome.org
> <mailto:no...@flockinghome.org>> wrote in message
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> Let me get this straight...
> You beat the shit out of your child then ask for a hug
> Isn't that special... Hurt me mommy I wanna feel your love hurt me
> harder mommy love me harder mommy
> That's plain goofy
>
> "Jenn" <m...@nowhere.com <mailto:m...@nowhere.com>> wrote in message
> <mailto:CantT...@NotToday.com>> wrote in message
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> yep...we called it "getting the shit beat out of you" and
> it happened damn near everyday - at least once - sometimes
> more...looking back - we got what we had coming to us.... I
> don't recall any schoolin' on how to spank a kid... it's
> pretty cut and dry - aim for the ass, and if the flop around
> and cause you to miss, then as Dad used to say "if you're
> gonna be stupid, then ya better be tough."
>
> "Ferd.Berfle" <fa...@farkle.com
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> My neighbors back home called it a whupping.
>
>
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> ROFLMAO
>
> "Ferd.Berfle" <fa...@farkle.com
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> You went to a seminar to learn how to beat your
> young'uns?
>
> "Jenn" <no...@noway.com
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> I spanked my kids, but we had gone to a
> seminar on how to do it properly to get
> specific good results on a consistent
> basis. It was good advice and guidance on
> how to discipline kids which was very
> effective over a long period of time.
>
> --
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>
> Jenn
>
>
> ===================================
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* WhiteHawk
> *Newsgroups:* annexcafe.mainstreet
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 03, 2009 12:23 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Att. Moderator... Re: 4
Jenn wrote:
> Actually, swatting their hand before they touch a hot stove saved them
> more pain in the long run because a burned hand can blister and the pain
> lasts must longer and can damage their ability to use their hand.
>
> It would be abuse to allow them to touch the hot stove, and it's
> merciful to swat their hand so they have the opportunity to learn that
> "NO" means "NO" for a good reason.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Jenn
>
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> "bird brain" <no...@flockinghome.org
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>
> Your abused child would have learned not to touch the hot stove when
> he burned his hand. Instead you had to get your punch in to learn
> him more better.
>
> "Jenn" <no...@noway.com <mailto:no...@noway.com>> wrote in message
> news:hagtnc$7dv$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> No .. I didn't beat the *sh*t* out of my kids and then hug them...
>
> I swatted their butts with a paddle 1, 2, or 3 times depending
> on the rule they broke. That does not constitute "beating".
> It's no different than swatting their hand when they reach to
> touch a hot stove. It's also a very effective method that
> teaches them cause and effect - taking responsibility for their
> actions by receiving a specific punishment.
>
> A punishment isn't supposed to make them feel good. It's
> supposed to get their attention and be unpleasant.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Jenn
>
> "bird brain" <no...@flockinghome.org
> <mailto:no...@flockinghome.org>> wrote in message
> news:hagrut$qj0$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Let me get this straight...
> You beat the shit out of your child then ask for a hug
> Isn't that special... Hurt me mommy I wanna feel your love
> hurt me harder mommy love me harder mommy
> That's plain goofy
>
> "Jenn" <m...@nowhere.com <mailto:m...@nowhere.com>> wrote in
> <mailto:CantT...@NotToday.com>> wrote in message
> news:had01u$sog$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> yep...we called it "getting the shit beat out of
> you" and it happened damn near everyday - at least
> once - sometimes more...looking back - we got what
> we had coming to us.... I don't recall any schoolin'
> on how to spank a kid... it's pretty cut and dry -
> aim for the ass, and if the flop around and cause
> you to miss, then as Dad used to say "if you're
> gonna be stupid, then ya better be tough."
>
> "Ferd.Berfle" <fa...@farkle.com
> <mailto:fa...@farkle.com>> wrote in message
> news:hacvcd$nch$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> My neighbors back home called it a whupping.
>
>
> "WhiteHawk" <CantT...@NotToday.com
> <mailto:CantT...@NotToday.com>> wrote in
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> ROFLMAO
>
> "Ferd.Berfle" <fa...@farkle.com
> <mailto:fa...@farkle.com>> wrote in
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> You went to a seminar to learn how to
> beat your young'uns?
>
> "Jenn" <no...@noway.com
> <mailto:no...@noway.com>> wrote in
> message
> news:haagmq$lrh$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> I spanked my kids, but we had gone
> to a seminar on how to do it
> properly to get specific good
> results on a consistent basis. It
> was good advice and guidance on how
> to discipline kids which was very
> effective over a long period of time.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Jenn
>
>
> ===================================
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* WhiteHawk
> *Newsgroups:* annexcafe.mainstreet
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 03, 2009
> 12:23 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Att. Moderator... Re:
"Jenn" <no...@noway.com> wrote in message news:hagtnc$7dv$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Spanking is a controlled disciplinary tool for kids. You spank for specific
rules that are broken, not everything. It works on targeted misbehaviors,
and once the discipline is implemented my kids got fewer and fewer
spankings. This method done properly and consistently every day has very
good results. You start as soon as they understand *NO*, and you gradually
have less and less rules broken, and the kids have learned to think before
they break a rule plus they are raised with the understanding that actions
have consequences. Discipline is not supposed to be a pleasant experience
for the kid. It's supposed to make them uncomfortable.
Jenn
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I'd rather make the point "DON'T TOUCH" the first time and have that be the
end of it then to have them not understand NO means NO the first time.
Jenn
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Raised in the 30's dad had the fear of God in me and gave me a lot of hell
but I can't remember any time he ever touched me although I'm sure there
were a few smacks.
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http://www.thewilbournegroup.com./Specialties/index.html
Did you have to buy one especially (or did you and your husband have one
already for bedroom 'games'? <wink, wink!>)
My wife and I only *ever* used our own hand for the rare occasion when a
smack was warranted (in our opinion!).
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Discipline and punishment is supposed to make an impression on kids to the
point that it makes them want to follow the given rules. It isn't supposed
to be comfortable, and it isn't designed to make the kids happy campers.
It's designed to give them a GOOD reason to behave, and to learn that they
are responsible for their own actions and they will be the ones to suffer
the consequences of their own actions.
A "smack" on the butt with a paddle is uncomfortable, and there is nothing
wrong with it when done properly.
Jenn
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Most boys only mis-behaved the once! (self included!) ;)
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Who determines was constitutes an infraction requiring "spanking" with a
paddle?
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One of the definitions of rationalize is "to attribute (one's actions) to
rational and creditable motives without analysis of true and and especially
unconscious motives...to creat an excuse or more attractive explanation".
That's exactly what you're doing, whether you admit it or not.
You have provided zero proof that spanking with a paddle is considered a
viable action. You claim qualified people told you to do this. What
qualified people and what makes them qualified?
Again, you can make children perfectly uncomfortable without resorting to
hitting them with a paddle. You can give children plenty of good reasons
for good behavior without resorting to hitting them with a paddle.
I maintain that your communication skills were severly lacking and your
children believe little of what you said. <g>
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My sister has 4 children. She never spanked her children. Her children are
all highly intelligent, compassionate, focused individuals.
Seems to me that you don't have a paddle to stand on, or paddle your way up
shit creek.
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The reason we have so many bratty kids today is the lack of
discpipline.
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The proof you seek is in the many individuals who grew up well adjusted
members of society even though they were spanked as children.
Also, I wasn't *told* to do this ... I was presented with an effective
method of disciplining children that WORKS.
I realize that some people feel that just *talking* to their kids will
somehow make those kids WANT to obey and behave, and there are some kids
with the personalities that that sort of approach may work for, but I didn't
know any parents who had kids who could just talk to them and they'd follow
the rules. Spanking was always an option as one of the choices. Frankly,
it's more effective and produces more consistent results as far as well
behaved children then talking them to death ever has... :)
Jenn
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Jenn :)
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Do a google search on *spanking as a discipline* and you'll probably come up
with something like 1,740,000 sources. That's alot of discussion and
opinions on spanking. You'll find experts on both sides of the issue making
their case pro or con.
I am on the pro side of this issue... and I would recommend this particular
method to anyone raising kids now.
Jenn
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Your broad, general and totally unverifiable statement about proof means
nothing. I'm asking you to provide some information that would make
spanking your child with a paddle a reasonable way to discipline a child. I
have no idea, nor do you, how many children were or were not spanked, so you
statement has no meaning.
Now you're playing word games, because you apparently don't have a good
answer. Who were these qualified people? Seems a simple enough question,
which of course, you are under no obligation to answer, but you brought it
up, not me.
My parents did more than talk to us, I did more than talk to my child, and
my sister did more than talk to her children. The word "discipline"
contains no reference to physical discipline. So your use of the word in
not correct. Also, you're making a claim about "spanking" being more effect
and producing more consistent results. That can only be anecdoctal, because
you haven't provided anything that would lead something to believe what you
say.
For instance, the American Academy of Pediatrics suggest that spanking may
be the least effective discipline method. And there are reasons why these
researchers have come to this conclusion.
There are many qualified persons who believe that spanking leads children to
believe that hitting is an acceptable way to solve problems. Often times,
children are too young to understand.
So, what have you got?
http://www.kidsource.com/kidsource/content4/spanking.morph.html
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If you are really interested, I don't mind giving examples, but if you just
want to attack me personally for spanking my kids when they were growing up,
there wouldn't be much point in providing examples because you don't really
want to discuss the method so much as you are looking for an opportunity to
attack me personally in some way.
Jenn
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Critics claim that spanking a child is abusive and contributes to adult dysfunction. These allegations arise from studies that fail to distinguish appropriate spanking from other forms of punishment. Abusive forms of physical punishment such as kicking, punching, and beating are commonly grouped with mild spanking. Furthermore, the studies usually include, and even emphasize, corporal punishment of adolescents, rather than focusing on preschool children, where spanking is more effective. This blurring of distinctions between spanking and physical abuse, and between children of different ages, gives critics the illusion of having data condemning all disciplinary spanking.
There are several arguments commonly leveled against disciplinary spanking. Interestingly, most of these arguments can be used against other forms of discipline. Any form of discipline (time-out, restriction, etc.), when used inappropriately and in anger, can result in distorting a child's perception of justice and harming his emotional development. In light of this, let us examine some of the unfounded arguments promoted by spanking opponents.
Argument #1: Many psychological studies show that spanking is an improper form of discipline.
Counterpoint: Researchers John Lyons, Rachel Anderson and David Larson of the National Institute of Healthcare Research recently conducted a systematic review of the research literature on corporal punishment.[6] They found that 83 percent of the 132 identified articles published in clinical and psychosocial journals were merely opinion-driven editorials, reviews or commentaries, devoid of new empirical findings. Moreover, most of the empirical studies were methodologically flawed by grouping the impact of abuse with spanking. The best studies demonstrated beneficial, not detrimental, effects of spanking in certain situations. Clearly, there is insufficient evidence to condemn parental spanking and adequate evidence to justify its proper use.
Argument #2: Physical punishment establishes the moral righteousness of hitting other persons who do something which is regarded as wrong.
Counterpoint: The "spanking teaches hitting" belief has gained in popularity over the past decade, but is not supported by objective evidence. A distinction must be made between abusive hitting and nonabusive spanking. A child's ability to discriminate hitting from disciplinary spanking depends largely upon the parents' attitude with spanking and the parents' procedure for spanking. There is no evidence in the medical literature that a mild spank to the buttocks of a disobedient child by a loving parent teaches the child aggressive behavior.
The critical issue is how spanking (or, in fact, any punishment) is used more so than whether it is used. Physical abuse by an angry, uncontrolled parent will leave lasting emotional wounds and cultivate bitterness and resentment within a child. The balanced, prudent use of disciplinary spanking, however, is an effective deterrent to aggressive behavior with some children.
Researchers at the Center for Family Research at Iowa State University studied 332 families to examine both the impact of corporal punishment and the quality of parental involvement on three adolescent outcomes -- aggressiveness, delinquency, and psychological well-being. The researchers found a strong association between the quality of parenting and each of these three outcomes. Corporal punishment, however, was not adversely related to any of these outcomes. This study proves the point that quality of parenting is the chief determinant of favorable or unfavorable outcomes.[7] Remarkably, childhood aggressiveness has been more closely linked to maternal permissiveness and negative criticism than to even abusive physical discipline.[8]
It is unrealistic to expect that children would never hit others if their parents would only exclude spanking from their discipline options. Most children in their toddler years (long before they are ever spanked) naturally attempt to hit others when conflict or frustration arises. The continuation of this behavior is largely determined by how the parent or caregiver responds. If correctly disciplined, the hitting will become less frequent. If ignored or ineffectively disciplined, the hitting will likely persist and even escalate. Thus, instead of contributing to greater violence, spanking can be a useful component in an overall plan to effectively teach a child to stop aggressive hitting.
Argument #3: Since parents often refrain from hitting until the anger or frustration reaches a certain point, the child learns that anger and frustration justify the use of physical force.
Counterpoint: A study published in Pediatrics indicates that most parents who spank do not spank on impulse, but purposefully spank their children with a belief in its effectiveness.[9] Furthermore, the study revealed no significant correlation between the frequency of spanking and the anger reported by mothers. Actually, the mothers who reported being angry were not the same parents who spanked.
Reactive, impulsive hitting after losing control due to anger is unquestionably the wrong way for a parent to use corporal punishment. Eliminating all physical punishment in the home, however, would not remedy such explosive scenarios. It could even increase the problem. When effective spanking is removed from a parent's disciplinary repertoire, he or she is left with nagging, begging, belittling, and yelling, once the primary disciplinary measures -- such as time-out and logical consequences -- have failed. By contrast, if proper spanking is proactively used in conjunction with other disciplinary measures, better control of the particularly defiant child can be achieved, and moments of exasperation are less likely to occur.
You are full of sh*t sometimes.
My wife smacked our children when it was warranted.
My wife's sister *never* smacked her children - ever!
Both have lost a son.
That puts things in perspective.
Lighten-up on Jenn - please.
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Dave
Jenn
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You think your behavior is fine. Many think your behavior is horrible. It
has nothing to do with you personally, really, not everything is about you.
It's about a behavior that you have, as yet, been able to adequately
justify.
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