An Easter post from a Malwarebytes researcher!
~BD~
> "The Real Truth MVP"<t...@void.com> wrote in news:hpaiak$bja$1
> @leythos.motzarella.org:
>
>> Keep dreaming.
I will. I even ask sometimes why other persons in your roll over crash
got killed and you survived. IMHO, without even knowing your deceased
co-workers, I think they were better than you. It's too bad it wasn't
you killed in that roll over crash. I'd have built a website dedicated
to you. Much like others have. Do your kids know what you do? Do they
have any concept of the potential risk of physical harm you present to them?
IE: some crazy loon on the internet coming to your house with a shotgun
or something.
Your not anonymous Chris, lots of people have your pics, pics of your
family, your home and the street address your little subdivision home is
located at. When I was a teenager and into CB radios, if someone decided
to do the things you do, we actually went to the individuals home; Drug
him out in his back or front yard, proceeding to beat the immortal
dogshit out of him (and his age didn't matter), and down his radio gear.
Usually taking the radio with us and taking out his antenna and whatever
beam he had it up in the air with.
That got results. When you keyed the mic, you showed respect. When you
keyed the mic to talk shit and enough persons had enough, you got a
visit.
I really believe that we all would get the same expected results if this
were to happen to you, really I believe that. I think people should be
held accountable for their actions. Your time will come Chris. You'll
piss off the wrong person eventually and maybe, just maybe, they'll pull
a gun and blow your stupid fucking ass away.
--
Dave - nice guy, Jenn?
Peter Foldes
Dustin or Leythos as suggested with you fake headers. It was made by a good friend
of yours on the MS server whom you just put in the shithouse. You will find out real
quick. You take pleasure in lying. What about the posts where you called Jenn and
Aardwark jerks on the public newsgroups. You do not announce that do you. You are a
2 faced friggin Troll that likes to instigate trouble where there is none.
--
Peter
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"~BD~" <Boate...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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Mike Easter
> That post was made by who???
> It was not Dustin
You will have to convince me that that post wasn't made by the same
Dustin Cook personna who has been actively posting in recent
conversations in MSpublic security.virus and alt.privacy.spyware and
other groups.
> It was
> made by a good friend of yours on the MS server whom you just put in the
> shithouse.
So, if you are alleging that this message:
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus, alt.comp.virus,
alt.computer.security
Subject: Re: David H Lipman
From: Dustin Cook
Message-ID: <Xns9D508C60F2C...@69.16.185.247>
wasn't made by Dustin Cook from his normal newsreader and from his
normal posting IP and with his normal Xface via his normal
news.charter.net AKA charter.svc.highwinds-media.com then I would insist
that you explain who posted it and how they were able to 'masquerade as
the Dustin Cook persona whose posts I have been following in the groups
described.
That post was not a wise one for Dustin to make, however much he
dislikes whoever PCButts is.
--
Mike Easter
Aardvark
> What
> about the posts where you called Jenn and Aardwark jerks on the public
> newsgroups.
What? No links?
--
Top posting because your cursor happens to be there is like shitting in
your pants because that's where your asshole happens to be.
~BD~
It is appreciated! :)
--
Dave
Dustin Cook
news:81s7in...@mid.individual.net:
> Peter Foldes wrote:
>> That post was made by who???
>> It was not Dustin
Hi Mike. The post is mine, I do not know why it's been reposted here except
to cause.. misinformation I suppose. By that I mean the idea that it's (a)
an easter post or (b) from a "Malwarebytes Researcher" as opposed to me,
Dustin Cook.
> That post was not a wise one for Dustin to make, however much he
> dislikes whoever PCButts is.
I respectfully disagree. My posts to usenet are mine and mine alone. They
have nothing whatsoever to do with any current/previous/future
employers/employees service providers or anything else. For BD or anyone
else to even think otherwise is just nuts. More so than my posts as of late
. :)
BD seems to have a personal axe to grind with me... He just doesn't
understand that I don't much care about or for some little unknown pissant
trying to digup dirt on me or anyone else. I don't appreciate name dropping
or the comments and I've let him know that. In return, he posts nonsense
like this thread. :(
--
"Hrrngh! Someday I'm going to hurl this...er...roll this...hrrngh.. nudge
this boulder right down a cliff." - Goblin Warrior
Dustin Cook
news:hpandl$skh$1...@speranza.aioe.org:
> Boy oh boy Dave. Are you fucked up or what. That post was made by
> who??? It was not Dustin or Leythos as suggested with you fake
Hi Peter.
The post is infact mine; and I am not Leythos. I appreciate your
willingness to come to my defense, but in this case; Dave didn't forge
anything. Just took a single post from a very long offtopic thread out of
context and reposted it here for a public trial of sorts.
> headers. It was made by a good friend of yours on the MS server whom
I'm not sure Dave actually has any friends.
~BD~
Dave is really pleased to advise that he *does* have friends! :)
Jenn
"~BD~" <BoaterDa...@Hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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Of course you do! :D
--
Jenn (from Oklahoma)
~BD~
>>
>> Of course you do! :D
>> --
>> Jenn (from Oklahoma)
:)
'nite, Jenn!
Jenn
sleep good! :D
--
Jenn (from Oklahoma)
Aardvark
Yes, he does, doesn't he?
--
Top posting because your cursor happens to be there is like shitting in
your pants because that's where your asshole happens to be.
Jenn
"Aardvark" <aard...@youllnever.know> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 17:57:15 -0500, Jenn wrote:
>
>> "~BD~" <BoaterDa...@Hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:hqnte7$dcj$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Dustin Cook wrote:
>>>>> "Peter Foldes" <ok...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:hpandl$skh$1...@speranza.aioe.org:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Boy oh boy Dave. Are you fucked up or what. That post was made by
>>>>>> who??? It was not Dustin or Leythos as suggested with you fake
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Peter.
>>>>>
>>>>> The post is infact mine; and I am not Leythos. I appreciate your
>>>>> willingness to come to my defense, but in this case; Dave didn't
>>>>> forge anything. Just took a single post from a very long offtopic
>>>>> thread out of context and reposted it here for a public trial of
>>>>> sorts.
>>>>>
>>>>>> headers. It was made by a good friend of yours on the MS server whom
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure Dave actually has any friends.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> "Hrrngh! Someday I'm going to hurl this...er...roll this...hrrngh..
>>>>> nudge this boulder right down a cliff." - Goblin Warrior
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave is really pleased to advise that he *does* have friends! :)
>>
>>
>>
>> Of course you do! :D
>
> Yes, he does, doesn't he?
>
Bullwinkle
"~BD~" <BoaterDa...@Hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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Dave is really pleased to advise that he *does* have friends! :)
Dustin Cook
@news.eternal-september.org:
I'm shocked. Really. The way you treat people you don't know, suggested
to me, that you wouldn't make very many friends. :)
For sure you shouldn't consider me one. I don't like you.
Dustin Cook
Yep... That would surely be his idea of a friend. :)
~BD~
>> I'm shocked. Really. The way you treat people you don't know,
>> suggested to me, that you wouldn't make very many friends. :)
>>
>> For sure you shouldn't consider me one. I don't like you.
Dustin - you made that plain a long time ago! :)
Remember me contacting you by email after I had discovered one of the
nastiest pieces of work on the Internet, a Vx'er known as RAID? (yes,
you!) Indeed, you congratulated me for the thoroughness of my research
in finding you!
I wanted you to investigate activities at Annexcafe User2User where I
was convinced that bad guys were (are?) operating - I vaguely recall
even offering to pay you a fee to do so, but you refused. Whether or not
Annex.com itself was involved was unknown, but the owner, Gregory
Gooden, was not sympatetic to my concerns (we had discussed matters at
length by email) and has refused to allow me to post on his newsgroups.
You never explained exactly why you were afraid to accept this task.
What *was* your reason?
--
Dave - accepts that it is anyones prerogative to refuse to do anything!
;-)
Dustin Cook
@news.eternal-september.org:
> Dustin Cook wrote:
>
>>> I'm shocked. Really. The way you treat people you don't know,
>>> suggested to me, that you wouldn't make very many friends. :)
>>>
>>> For sure you shouldn't consider me one. I don't like you.
>
>
> Dustin - you made that plain a long time ago! :)
And yet, here we are...
> Remember me contacting you by email after I had discovered one of the
> nastiest pieces of work on the Internet, a Vx'er known as RAID? (yes,
> you!) Indeed, you congratulated me for the thoroughness of my research
> in finding you!
thoroughness in research? Your too easy, Dave. This one won't be nearly
as fun for me. I'm very well known as Raid; no real research required. I
humoured you, sir. That's exvxer tho, thanks. I retired from the scene...
almost 11 years ago.
I don't excuse my previous bad acts, I accepted the results of that a
long time ago.
> I wanted you to investigate activities at Annexcafe User2User where I
> was convinced that bad guys were (are?) operating - I vaguely recall
> even offering to pay you a fee to do so, but you refused. Whether or
Yep, you did ask me to dig up dirt on people for a fee. and I did refuse
your offer. :) Atleast your not lieing about this.
> Annex.com itself was involved was unknown, but the owner, Gregory
> Gooden, was not sympatetic to my concerns (we had discussed matters at
> length by email) and has refused to allow me to post on his newsgroups.
>
> You never explained exactly why you were afraid to accept this task.
>
> What *was* your reason?
Well, one of the things I realized when I retired, BD, is that I was
doing alot of things that were wrong. No excuse for it, period. What you
asked me to do fell in the same category in so far as I was concerned.
I'm also old school BD, back when if you wanted to do something, you did
your own homework first before you asked others to do it for you. I still
hold by those rules.
If you had done the research on me you claimed, you would have known I
wouldn't have accepted money from you even if I did agree to do your
deed; I never did any of it for money! You probably just stopped at the
first link, huh? :)
Jenn
news:Xns9D637FD1B38...@69.16.185.250...
>> nastiest pieces of work on the Internet, a Vx'er known as RAID? (yes,
>> you!) Indeed, you congratulated me for the thoroughness of my research
>> in finding you!
> thoroughness in research? Your too easy, Dave. This one won't be nearly
> as fun for me. I'm very well known as Raid; no real research required. I
> humoured you, sir. That's exvxer tho, thanks. I retired from the scene...
> almost 11 years ago.
Your reputation proceeds you only to a small group of people, Dustin. I
never heard of you until you joined my bbs. Possibly you're famous to a
select group of people, but to the rest of the world you're a regular man.
> I don't excuse my previous bad acts, I accepted the results of that a
> long time ago.
It would be nice if you could simply move on, but you sure do like reminding
people of what you used to do and how you don't do it anymore.
<snip>
>> You never explained exactly why you were afraid to accept this task.
>>
>> What *was* your reason?
> Well, one of the things I realized when I retired, BD, is that I was
> doing alot of things that were wrong. No excuse for it, period. What you
> asked me to do fell in the same category in so far as I was concerned.
You have an odd way of defining right vs wrong. You and I were having what
I thought was a very decent discussion, then all of a sudden you announce
that you were only in the discussion to *expose how bad a person I am* and
how *disappointed* you are in finding out who I am. Why would you think
that you had to do that sort of thing in order to get to know me? That was
very wrong to do, and it was also wrong of you to just suddenly begin to
treat me badly when I've been nice to you and patient with you making every
attempt to understand you personally. I've treated you with respect from
the first time I've met you, and intend on continuing to do so, but you want
to make it difficult for me to respond to you with respect. Why??
> I'm also old school BD, back when if you wanted to do something, you did
> your own homework first before you asked others to do it for you. I still
> hold by those rules.
Give me a break... Dustin ... you come from the script kiddie era and that
group of people never practiced anything that would be considered *old
school*. If you were really old school, you'd be alot more mature and
confident in who you are, and less apt to erratic behavior and responses.
> If you had done the research on me you claimed, you would have known I
> wouldn't have accepted money from you even if I did agree to do your
> deed; I never did any of it for money! You probably just stopped at the
> first link, huh? :)
What you do now if for money, I imagine .. working for Malwarebytes is a
paying gig.. right? So, in essence you have done it for money.
--
Jenn (from Oklahoma)
http://pqlr.org/bbs/
Bullwinkle
"Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in message
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"Dustin Cook" <bughunte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "~BD~" <BoaterDa...@Hotmail.co.uk> wrote in news:hqrcm9$77h$1
Your reputation proceeds you only to a small group of people, jenn.
It would be nice if you could simply move on, but you sure do like reminding
people of what you and bd have become.
Dustin Cook
news:hqsnd6$4vc$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> "Dustin Cook" <bughunte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D637FD1B38...@69.16.185.250...
>> "~BD~" <BoaterDa...@Hotmail.co.uk> wrote in news:hqrcm9$77h$1
>> @news.eternal-september.org:
>>> Remember me contacting you by email after I had discovered one of
>>> the nastiest pieces of work on the Internet, a Vx'er known as RAID?
>>> (yes, you!) Indeed, you congratulated me for the thoroughness of my
>>> research in finding you!
>
>
>> thoroughness in research? Your too easy, Dave. This one won't be
>> nearly as fun for me. I'm very well known as Raid; no real research
>> required. I humoured you, sir. That's exvxer tho, thanks. I retired
>> from the scene... almost 11 years ago.
>
> Your reputation proceeds you only to a small group of people, Dustin.
> I never heard of you until you joined my bbs. Possibly you're famous
> to a select group of people, but to the rest of the world you're a
> regular man.
Were you ever published in rolling stones magazine Jenn? I was. Most of
the security experts on both sides know me very well. That's not what I
would consider to be a small group. A simple google search on raid virus
writer would show you just how.. sadly, infamous that handle really is.
I don't think the readership base of the print edition of the rolling
stones is small either. I'm almost certain BD has read the online version
of it, since he referenced one of the comments. In all fairness to myself
tho, the reporter took posts from usenet (haha, like your friend BD) and
published those and her personal thoughts. I never accepted or did any
interview with her. In fact, when I found out who she was in the channel
I +kb'd her.
It's all history you just didn't know about is all.
The fact you've never heard of me until I signed onto your BBS isn't a
bad thing. It just tells me what little you know about the security
community. Which is alright. I'm not here to impress anyone anyhow. :)
You didn't know the difference between prepender, appender and cavity
infection, although they are well known, in the security world. Same with
me.
And just so you know, I didn't start out writing viruses or anything. I
was publishing things to BBSes before the net was even.. what you know as
the net. You just don't get out much I guess. :)
>> Well, one of the things I realized when I retired, BD, is that I was
>> doing alot of things that were wrong. No excuse for it, period. What
>> you asked me to do fell in the same category in so far as I was
>> concerned.
>
> You have an odd way of defining right vs wrong. You and I were having
> what I thought was a very decent discussion, then all of a sudden you
> announce that you were only in the discussion to *expose how bad a
> person I am* and how *disappointed* you are in finding out who I am.
No, I don't. BD wanted me to trespass onto equipment I did not own or
have any access rights to, to obtain information on his behalf. It's not
wrong of me to deny his request.
My issue with you isn't the same as my issue with him. Your..
insequential, to be honest.
> personally. I've treated you with respect from the first time I've
> met you, and intend on continuing to do so, but you want to make it
> difficult for me to respond to you with respect. Why??
Respect? Jenn, twice I think now, you've tried to dismiss raid; which
is... amusing. The fact you never heard of me doesn't make my.. previous
activities any less meaningful. I made history. :)
>> I'm also old school BD, back when if you wanted to do something, you
>> did your own homework first before you asked others to do it for you.
>> I still hold by those rules.
>
> Give me a break... Dustin ... you come from the script kiddie era and
> that group of people never practiced anything that would be considered
> *old school*. If you were really old school, you'd be alot more
> mature and confident in who you are, and less apt to erratic behavior
> and responses.
Actually, Jenn. I'm not and never was a script kiddy. I was before them,
for sometime. http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/irok.shtml
Irok isn't the work of a script kiddy, Jenn. It's an executable file
infector, with worm capabilities, including irc exploitation.
I was credited with being the first vxer to native infect dos/win32
executables with the same code. I found an exploit vector in the way
windows parses the exe file header. I can go into details, but I know
I've probably already lost you at the url. *grin*
Do you want to try again Jenn?
>> If you had done the research on me you claimed, you would have known
>> I wouldn't have accepted money from you even if I did agree to do
>> your deed; I never did any of it for money! You probably just stopped
>> at the first link, huh? :)
>
> What you do now if for money, I imagine .. working for Malwarebytes is
> a paying gig.. right? So, in essence you have done it for money.
Jenn, I worked for malwarebytes as an antimalware researcher. I developed
definitions to detect and remove without harm, trojans and various rogue
applications like antivirusxp2010. And some ... stupid utilities to
process malware samples and url lists.
None of it was done to harm people, as I did with my viruses. So no Jenn,
my statement stands, thanks.
Do I intimidate you or something? Seriously. You've tried to downplay my
"fame", practically even called me a script kiddy; I didn't write one
single macro virus in my whole career; not a one! :)
Dustin Cook
news:hqsnd6$4vc$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> "Dustin Cook" <bughunte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D637FD1B38...@69.16.185.250...
>> "~BD~" <BoaterDa...@Hotmail.co.uk> wrote in news:hqrcm9$77h$1
>> @news.eternal-september.org:
>>> Remember me contacting you by email after I had discovered one of
>>> the nastiest pieces of work on the Internet, a Vx'er known as RAID?
>>> (yes, you!) Indeed, you congratulated me for the thoroughness of my
>>> research in finding you!
>
>
>> thoroughness in research? Your too easy, Dave. This one won't be
>> nearly as fun for me. I'm very well known as Raid; no real research
>> required. I humoured you, sir. That's exvxer tho, thanks. I retired
>> from the scene... almost 11 years ago.
>
> Your reputation proceeds you only to a small group of people, Dustin.
http://www.securelist.com/en/descriptions/old13993
this is a much better writeup on irok. They published the full song
lyrics. It has a few errors in it, as does the fprot one; namely the hard
disk being trashed. I didn't really trash the drive, I hit root and
renamed everything I found via *.* to high ascii characters; legal for
the filesystem, just not something you'd find on your keyboard.
Jenn, I'm not a script kiddy; I never was. I was writing legitimate
little utilities for years before I ever wrote my first virus. Things
just.. went, south bound for awhile from there. But, I pulled up and
didn't hit the cliff head on. And that's where I am today.
> It would be nice if you could simply move on, but you sure do like
> reminding people of what you used to do and how you don't do it
> anymore.
Jenn. I did move on, ten years ago. Your friend BD brought up my past,
not myself. I just decided out of the blue to provide more detailed
information about my past, is all. I'm not going to sit idly by as he
tries to undo the work I've done for the past ten years either.
Dustin Cook
news:hqsnd6$4vc$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> "Dustin Cook" <bughunte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D637FD1B38...@69.16.185.250...
>> "~BD~" <BoaterDa...@Hotmail.co.uk> wrote in news:hqrcm9$77h$1
>> @news.eternal-september.org:
>>> Remember me contacting you by email after I had discovered one of
>>> the nastiest pieces of work on the Internet, a Vx'er known as RAID?
>>> (yes, you!) Indeed, you congratulated me for the thoroughness of my
>>> research in finding you!
>
>
>> thoroughness in research? Your too easy, Dave. This one won't be
>> nearly as fun for me. I'm very well known as Raid; no real research
>> required. I humoured you, sir. That's exvxer tho, thanks. I retired
>> from the scene... almost 11 years ago.
>
> Your reputation proceeds you only to a small group of people, Dustin.
Hehehe.. here's a couple more. I had no idea so many links were still
live via google. :)
http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/toadie.shtml
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9908/30/toadie.idg/index.html
That's the cnn.com Jenn; what were you doing in 1999? hehehehe..
> I never heard of you until you joined my bbs. Possibly you're famous
> to a select group of people, but to the rest of the world you're a
> regular man.
See above, and the last two posts responding. The fact you've had your
head buried in the sand for over a decade, changes.. nothing.
Dustin Cook
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> "Dustin Cook" <bughunte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D637FD1B38...@69.16.185.250...
>> "~BD~" <BoaterDa...@Hotmail.co.uk> wrote in news:hqrcm9$77h$1
>> @news.eternal-september.org:
>>> Remember me contacting you by email after I had discovered one of
>>> the nastiest pieces of work on the Internet, a Vx'er known as RAID?
>>> (yes, you!) Indeed, you congratulated me for the thoroughness of my
>>> research in finding you!
>
>
>> thoroughness in research? Your too easy, Dave. This one won't be
>> nearly as fun for me. I'm very well known as Raid; no real research
>> required. I humoured you, sir. That's exvxer tho, thanks. I retired
>> from the scene... almost 11 years ago.
>
> Your reputation proceeds you only to a small group of people, Dustin.
Oh, I just can't help myself today. LOL!
Jenn, hun, I was the person responsible for the codebreakers.org website;
which .. hosted the infamous melissa virus written by Vicoden (he was a
friend of mine. lol, small world eh?). When melissa broke, remember the
16 year old? (haha, I've always looked young) the feds were looking for
in podunk kingsport, tn? (google if your memory is foggy, or you didn't
have cable or access to a newspaper at the time) That was me, Jenn.
HAHAHAHA.
Now, I've made 4 reponses to this one post of yours; telling you more and
more about me with each one. Do you know why I'm doing it? It's not to
brag; as I did that years ago and paid dearly for my actions.
Want to guess Jenn? What I could possibly be upto? :)
> I never heard of you until you joined my bbs. Possibly you're famous
> to a select group of people, but to the rest of the world you're a
> regular man.
So you've said.
Dustin Cook
news:hqsnd6$4vc$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> "Dustin Cook" <bughunte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D637FD1B38...@69.16.185.250...
>> "~BD~" <BoaterDa...@Hotmail.co.uk> wrote in news:hqrcm9$77h$1
>> @news.eternal-september.org:
>>> Remember me contacting you by email after I had discovered one of
>>> the nastiest pieces of work on the Internet, a Vx'er known as RAID?
>>> (yes, you!) Indeed, you congratulated me for the thoroughness of my
>>> research in finding you!
>
>
>> thoroughness in research? Your too easy, Dave. This one won't be
>> nearly as fun for me. I'm very well known as Raid; no real research
>> required. I humoured you, sir. That's exvxer tho, thanks. I retired
>> from the scene... almost 11 years ago.
>
> Your reputation proceeds you only to a small group of people, Dustin.
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/04/02/us/us-agents-seeking-clues-to-who-made-
e-mail-virus.html?pagewanted=1
The new york times baby! I even made the new york times. Small group huh
Jenn? *grin*
Here's infosecs report: hehehe
http://www.infosecnews.org/hypermail/9904/1583.html
Lemme quote you some of the best:
"For investigators, breaking open the Melissa case had the effect of
bringing at least one hacker -- an unidentified man in his 20s who lives
near Kingsport, Tenn. -- to the attention of the FBI. Two months ago,
that man asked a young local Internet company called Global Connection
to host a Web site for him.
Dennis Halsey, the CEO and vice president of Global Connection, said he
did not think anything of the request at the time. In fact, Halsey did
not require any formal application and never checked to see what the Web
site was. Neither Halsey nor the FBI would release the man's name.
The site turned out to be Codebreakers.org -- one of the main places
that virus creators use to trade code. "We never imagined it to be
something this big, believe me," said Halsey, who described the man as a
computer wizard.
Halsey, who is not implicated in the case, said he knew the man only
because "it's a small town and everybody sort of knows each other." But
Halsey thought it was inconceivable that such a young man could be the
infamous VicodinES or another prominent virus maker. "I'm sure that he
is not the one who wrote the virus," Halsey said. "I mean, this is a
multinational organization, there are members everywhere. How could this
young kid be involved?"
You know, if Dennis had known my real name, he'd have sold my ass out for
sure. Wasn't until 1 year after all that shit went down than I ran across
him again.
Aardvark
> What I could possibly be upto?
Veiled threats?
Jenn
> "Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in
>> Your reputation proceeds you only to a small group of people, Dustin.
>> I never heard of you until you joined my bbs. Possibly you're famous
>> to a select group of people, but to the rest of the world you're a
>> regular man.
> Were you ever published in rolling stones magazine Jenn? I was. Most of
> the security experts on both sides know me very well. That's not what I
> would consider to be a small group. A simple google search on raid virus
> writer would show you just how.. sadly, infamous that handle really is.
Dustin ... a good majority of people never subscribed to Rolling Stones
magazine, and I've never even opened one since it's of little interest to me
and practically everyone I know of locally haven't read it, either. Only
the small group of people you refer to would care and possibly others who
were just curious. I don't care if you were famous to them, you're just a
man to me. What you used to do is interesting, but it has no influence on
me as to whether you're a good or bad person now. It was just a phase you
went through that you have outgrown.
> I don't think the readership base of the print edition of the rolling
> stones is small either.
So you have your 15 minutes of fame in that arena? Big deal? Well.. I'm
sure it was a big deal to you then... Did you know I used to be a
professional seamstress and made costumes for the Tulsa Ballet?? I did the
actually sewing for the principle dancers and one of the ballets I made the
costumes for.. those costumes were photographed and were on the cover of a
big magazine that people in the world of Arts enjoy reading. I've still got
the copy of it. :-) It was a big deal at the time, but umpteen years
later, it means nothing.
> I'm almost certain BD has read the online version
> of it, since he referenced one of the comments. In all fairness to myself
> tho, the reporter took posts from usenet (haha, like your friend BD) and
> published those and her personal thoughts. I never accepted or did any
> interview with her. In fact, when I found out who she was in the channel
> I +kb'd her.
> It's all history you just didn't know about is all.
I don't care......... I'd rather know who you are now.
> The fact you've never heard of me until I signed onto your BBS isn't a
> bad thing. It just tells me what little you know about the security
> community. Which is alright. I'm not here to impress anyone anyhow. :)
oh baloney... admit it .. there's a part of you that loves to talk about who
you used to be and what you are capable of doing. That's pride speaking,
but it's also on the normal side.
> You didn't know the difference between prepender, appender and cavity
> infection, although they are well known, in the security world. Same with
> me.
yeah .. not alot of people know what those things are unless they are into
doing what you do. That's normal.
> And just so you know, I didn't start out writing viruses or anything. I
> was publishing things to BBSes before the net was even.. what you know as
> the net. You just don't get out much I guess. :)
I get out where I want to be.. that's enough for me.
<snip>
>> You have an odd way of defining right vs wrong. You and I were having
>> what I thought was a very decent discussion, then all of a sudden you
>> announce that you were only in the discussion to *expose how bad a
>> person I am* and how *disappointed* you are in finding out who I am.
> No, I don't. BD wanted me to trespass onto equipment I did not own or
> have any access rights to, to obtain information on his behalf. It's not
> wrong of me to deny his request.
What's this got to do with what I said above? NOTHING!
> My issue with you isn't the same as my issue with him. Your..
> insequential, to be honest.
Whatever that's supposed to mean... I'm guessing you meant it as a dig...
>> personally. I've treated you with respect from the first time I've
>> met you, and intend on continuing to do so, but you want to make it
>> difficult for me to respond to you with respect. Why??
> Respect? Jenn, twice I think now, you've tried to dismiss raid; which
> is... amusing. The fact you never heard of me doesn't make my.. previous
> activities any less meaningful. I made history. :)
You aren't raid anymore... so I see no need to give the former YOU respect.
I am conversing with the present YOU, and that is the person I am treating
with respect.
>>> I'm also old school BD, back when if you wanted to do something, you
>>> did your own homework first before you asked others to do it for you.
>>> I still hold by those rules.
>> Give me a break... Dustin ... you come from the script kiddie era and
>> that group of people never practiced anything that would be considered
>> *old school*. If you were really old school, you'd be alot more
>> mature and confident in who you are, and less apt to erratic behavior
>> and responses.
> Actually, Jenn. I'm not and never was a script kiddy. I was before them,
> for sometime. http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/irok.shtml
I said you were FROM the script kiddy ERA ...
> Irok isn't the work of a script kiddy, Jenn. It's an executable file
> infector, with worm capabilities, including irc exploitation.
Now, you are trying to prove how smart you are by bragging on your
accomplishments. Why's it so important to you to tell everyone what you did
in the past and how good it was, skillwise?
> I was credited with being the first vxer to native infect dos/win32
> executables with the same code. I found an exploit vector in the way
> windows parses the exe file header. I can go into details, but I know
> I've probably already lost you at the url. *grin*
>
> Do you want to try again Jenn?
I'd be more interested in talking about the tech stuff on the alt.comp.virus
group since I do enjoy learning new tech stuff. Again, you are bragging on
yourself, which is not exactly a good thing to do.
>>> If you had done the research on me you claimed, you would have known
>>> I wouldn't have accepted money from you even if I did agree to do
>>> your deed; I never did any of it for money! You probably just stopped
>>> at the first link, huh? :)
>> What you do now if for money, I imagine .. working for Malwarebytes is
>> a paying gig.. right? So, in essence you have done it for money.
> Jenn, I worked for malwarebytes as an antimalware researcher. I developed
> definitions to detect and remove without harm, trojans and various rogue
> applications like antivirusxp2010. And some ... stupid utilities to
> process malware samples and url lists.
that's great ... :D but above you said you never did any of it for
money.. meaning.. use your skills for money... but you are doing that now.
> None of it was done to harm people, as I did with my viruses. So no Jenn,
> my statement stands, thanks.
see above comment
> Do I intimidate you or something? Seriously.
no... haha ... :D You're just a man.
> You've tried to downplay my
> "fame", practically even called me a script kiddy; I didn't write one
> single macro virus in my whole career; not a one! :)
Downplay? I'm trying to tell you that you're not famous anymore... You're a
regular guy now. You had your 15 minutes of fame, but it's over, and you
seem to be living in the past and trying to survive on the accolades of the
past. You can't survive on past accomplishments in the now and in the
future. If you don't find a way to move on, it'll eat away at you.
Dustin Cook
@news.eternal-september.org:
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:59:40 +0000, Dustin Cook wrote:
>
>> What I could possibly be upto?
>
> Veiled threats?
Of course not. I just wanted to have a little fun with her. I don't mean
her or anyone else any harm. Besides, she needed a wakeup call anyhow. You
never know who your going to run into on the netland.
Dustin Cook
news:hqsrfg$oej$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> "Dustin Cook" <bughunte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D639686C90...@69.16.185.250...
>> "Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in
>
>>> Your reputation proceeds you only to a small group of people,
>>> Dustin. I never heard of you until you joined my bbs. Possibly
>>> you're famous to a select group of people, but to the rest of the
>>> world you're a regular man.
>
>> Were you ever published in rolling stones magazine Jenn? I was. Most
>> of the security experts on both sides know me very well. That's not
>> what I would consider to be a small group. A simple google search on
>> raid virus writer would show you just how.. sadly, infamous that
>> handle really is.
>
> Dustin ... a good majority of people never subscribed to Rolling
> Stones magazine, and I've never even opened one since it's of little
> interest to me and practically everyone I know of locally haven't read
> it, either. Only the small group of people you refer to would care
> and possibly others who were just curious. I don't care if you were
wow. I'd hate to see what you consider to be a large group then.
> famous to them, you're just a man to me. What you used to do is
> interesting, but it has no influence on me as to whether you're a good
> or bad person now. It was just a phase you went through that you have
> outgrown.
>> I don't think the readership base of the print edition of the rolling
>> stones is small either.
>
> So you have your 15 minutes of fame in that arena? Big deal? Well..
> I'm sure it was a big deal to you then... Did you know I used to be a
> professional seamstress and made costumes for the Tulsa Ballet?? I
Hey now, at the time, it was pretty cool. At first. Then, for a long time
I was really paranoid. heh.
> I don't care......... I'd rather know who you are now.
I'm just Dustin. exvxer, antimalware researcher and expert. One of the
good guys Jenn.
> oh baloney... admit it .. there's a part of you that loves to talk
> about who you used to be and what you are capable of doing. That's
> pride speaking, but it's also on the normal side.
Sure, I enjoy a good discussion. But that's not possible without both
sides having the same information.
>> You didn't know the difference between prepender, appender and cavity
>> infection, although they are well known, in the security world. Same
>> with me.
>
> yeah .. not alot of people know what those things are unless they are
> into doing what you do. That's normal.
Ah well.
>> And just so you know, I didn't start out writing viruses or anything.
>> I was publishing things to BBSes before the net was even.. what you
>> know as the net. You just don't get out much I guess. :)
>
> I get out where I want to be.. that's enough for me.
Are you more of an indoors or outdoors person?
> <snip>
>
>>> You have an odd way of defining right vs wrong. You and I were
>>> having what I thought was a very decent discussion, then all of a
>>> sudden you announce that you were only in the discussion to *expose
>>> how bad a person I am* and how *disappointed* you are in finding out
>>> who I am.
>
>> No, I don't. BD wanted me to trespass onto equipment I did not own or
>> have any access rights to, to obtain information on his behalf. It's
>> not wrong of me to deny his request.
>
> What's this got to do with what I said above? NOTHING!
How do you figure? BD asked me to break in, basically and I turned him
down. It would have been wrong to have accepted his offer, either for
money or for free.
> I said you were FROM the script kiddy ERA ...
Uhh, no; actually; I wasn't. I predated the first script virus by several
years. *shrug*. Minor detail to you I suppose. I just dislike script
kiddies Jenn, I always have.
>> Irok isn't the work of a script kiddy, Jenn. It's an executable file
>> infector, with worm capabilities, including irc exploitation.
>
> Now, you are trying to prove how smart you are by bragging on your
> accomplishments. Why's it so important to you to tell everyone what
> you did in the past and how good it was, skillwise?
No. I was dismissing your script kiddy accusation. I don't like it.
>> I was credited with being the first vxer to native infect dos/win32
>> executables with the same code. I found an exploit vector in the way
>> windows parses the exe file header. I can go into details, but I know
>> I've probably already lost you at the url. *grin*
>>
>> Do you want to try again Jenn?
>
> I'd be more interested in talking about the tech stuff on the
> alt.comp.virus group since I do enjoy learning new tech stuff. Again,
> you are bragging on yourself, which is not exactly a good thing to do.
I'm always interested in tech stuff, post a question there anytime.
>
>>>> If you had done the research on me you claimed, you would have
>>>> known I wouldn't have accepted money from you even if I did agree
>>>> to do your deed; I never did any of it for money! You probably just
>>>> stopped at the first link, huh? :)
>
>
>>> What you do now if for money, I imagine .. working for Malwarebytes
>>> is a paying gig.. right? So, in essence you have done it for money.
>
>
>> Jenn, I worked for malwarebytes as an antimalware researcher. I
>> developed definitions to detect and remove without harm, trojans and
>> various rogue applications like antivirusxp2010. And some ... stupid
>> utilities to process malware samples and url lists.
>
> that's great ... :D but above you said you never did any of it for
> money.. meaning.. use your skills for money... but you are doing that
> now.
Uhh.. Jenn, your misreading what I wrote. I never used the skillset of
virus writing for money. I never wrote a botnet and tried to extort money
for use of the computer. That's what I meant when I said that.
malwarebytes was a job, simple as that. Most people who goto work and
have jobs get paid for it.
>> Do I intimidate you or something? Seriously.
>
> no... haha ... :D You're just a man.
Good. I'm glad we have that settled then.
Jenn
> "Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in
> news:hqsnd6$4vc$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> "Dustin Cook" <bughunte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9D637FD1B38...@69.16.185.250...
>> Your reputation proceeds you only to a small group of people, Dustin.
> Oh, I just can't help myself today. LOL!
>
> Jenn, hun, I was the person responsible for the codebreakers.org website;
.. And I'm responsible for analyzing how the script kiddies back then used
to break the MSN chat room list on their website, AND figured out how to fix
it everytime they'd try to break it. THEN I taught all the sysops how to
fix the list, too. Does it mean anything today?? naaaaaaaaaa I don't care
what you did back then.
> which .. hosted the infamous melissa virus written by Vicoden (he was a
> friend of mine. lol, small world eh?). When melissa broke, remember the
> 16 year old? (haha, I've always looked young) the feds were looking for
> in podunk kingsport, tn? (google if your memory is foggy, or you didn't
> have cable or access to a newspaper at the time) That was me, Jenn.
> HAHAHAHA.
Sorry.. never heard of any of that stuff you're supposedly famous for doing.
> Now, I've made 4 reponses to this one post of yours; telling you more and
> more about me with each one. Do you know why I'm doing it? It's not to
> brag; as I did that years ago and paid dearly for my actions.
Sure,, you're bragging.........
> Want to guess Jenn? What I could possibly be upto? :)
I don't care what you used to do. I care who you are now.
>> I never heard of you until you joined my bbs. Possibly you're famous
>> to a select group of people, but to the rest of the world you're a
>> regular man.
> So you've said.
yeah ...
Jenn
> Aardvark <aard...@youllnever.know> wrote in news:hqsraa$reo$1
> @news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:59:40 +0000, Dustin Cook wrote:
>>> What I could possibly be upto?
>> Veiled threats?
> Of course not. I just wanted to have a little fun with her. I don't mean
> her or anyone else any harm. Besides, she needed a wakeup call anyhow. You
> never know who your going to run into on the netland.
A wake up call to what?? You seem to have a hard time talking about
anything without referring back to your former glory days.
Jenn
> "Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in
>> Your reputation proceeds you only to a small group of people, Dustin.
> http://www.nytimes.com/1999/04/02/us/us-agents-seeking-clues-to-who-made-
> e-mail-virus.html?pagewanted=1
> The new york times baby! I even made the new york times. Small group huh
> Jenn? *grin*
Big deal? I STILL never heard of you prior to your joining my bbs.
> Here's infosecs report: hehehe
> http://www.infosecnews.org/hypermail/9904/1583.html
>
> Lemme quote you some of the best:
>
> "For investigators, breaking open the Melissa case had the effect of
> bringing at least one hacker -- an unidentified man in his 20s who lives
> near Kingsport, Tenn. -- to the attention of the FBI. Two months ago,
> that man asked a young local Internet company called Global Connection
> to host a Web site for him.
<snip boring text>
> You know, if Dennis had known my real name, he'd have sold my ass out for
> sure. Wasn't until 1 year after all that shit went down than I ran across
> him again.
FYI ... none of that means anything to me. Who you are NOW is the only
thing that matters, imo.
Dustin Cook
news:hqssud$vdo$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> "Dustin Cook" <bughunte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D6399BD44E...@69.16.185.250...
>> which .. hosted the infamous melissa virus written by Vicoden (he was
>> a friend of mine. lol, small world eh?). When melissa broke, remember
>> the 16 year old? (haha, I've always looked young) the feds were
>> looking for in podunk kingsport, tn? (google if your memory is foggy,
>> or you didn't have cable or access to a newspaper at the time) That
>> was me, Jenn. HAHAHAHA.
>
> Sorry.. never heard of any of that stuff you're supposedly famous for
> doing.
Wait.. You were on msn chatrooms, and somehow, the melissa virus escaped
you? Do you really expect me to believe that? CIH, sure, I could buy
you've never heard of that one. but the melissa virus? okay...
>> Now, I've made 4 reponses to this one post of yours; telling you more
>> and more about me with each one. Do you know why I'm doing it? It's
>> not to brag; as I did that years ago and paid dearly for my actions.
>
> Sure,, you're bragging.........
Nope. I wasn't. Just trying to educate you a little bit. I'm not some has
been.. ehh, script kiddy.
Jenn
> "Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in
>> Your reputation proceeds you only to a small group of people, Dustin.
>
> http://www.securelist.com/en/descriptions/old13993
>
> this is a much better writeup on irok. They published the full song
> lyrics. It has a few errors in it, as does the fprot one; namely the hard
> disk being trashed. I didn't really trash the drive, I hit root and
> renamed everything I found via *.* to high ascii characters; legal for
> the filesystem, just not something you'd find on your keyboard.
> Jenn, I'm not a script kiddy; I never was. I was writing legitimate
> little utilities for years before I ever wrote my first virus. Things
> just.. went, south bound for awhile from there. But, I pulled up and
> didn't hit the cliff head on. And that's where I am today.
I don't care what you used to do. How many times do I have to say that?
You aren't famous to me in any way, and I don't mean that as a put down...
I mean it as a reality. I'm not interested in being impressed by your past.
I'm interested in being impressed by who you have become today. I like
discussing techie stuff, but that's probably better to do on the spyware
group or alt.comp.virus where I posted some questions. I'd also be more
interested in the utilities you wrote because I created one myself, albeit
not a very fancy one.
>> It would be nice if you could simply move on, but you sure do like
>> reminding people of what you used to do and how you don't do it
>> anymore.
> Jenn. I did move on, ten years ago. Your friend BD brought up my past,
> not myself.
He hasn't been making you post all this stuff to me about your past.. has
he?? You keep bringing it up.
> I just decided out of the blue to provide more detailed
> information about my past, is all. I'm not going to sit idly by as he
> tries to undo the work I've done for the past ten years either.
Undo?? No one can undo what has been done.
SeaNymph
"Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in message
> "Dustin Cook" <bughunte...@gmail.com> wrote >
>> Were you ever published in rolling stones magazine Jenn? I was. Most of
>> the security experts on both sides know me very well. That's not what I
>> would consider to be a small group. A simple google search on raid virus
>> writer would show you just how.. sadly, infamous that handle really is.
>
> Dustin ... a good majority of people never subscribed to Rolling Stones
> magazine, and I've never even opened one since it's of little interest to
> me and practically everyone I know of locally haven't read it, either.
Just a little FYI...Rolling Stone magazine has a circulation of more than a
million people.
Jenn
> "Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in
>> Your reputation proceeds you only to a small group of people, Dustin.
>
> Hehehe.. here's a couple more. I had no idea so many links were still
> live via google. :)
>
> http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/toadie.shtml
> http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9908/30/toadie.idg/index.html
>
> That's the cnn.com Jenn; what were you doing in 1999? hehehehe..
I was raising 3 kids, homeschooling them, and running my own web design
business. I had never tuned into CNN until recently for a short time, and
really don't find any need to view CNN.
>> I never heard of you until you joined my bbs. Possibly you're famous
>> to a select group of people, but to the rest of the world you're a
>> regular man.
> See above, and the last two posts responding. The fact you've had your
> head buried in the sand for over a decade, changes.. nothing.
Hardly.. Dustin ... a mother can't run her household, school her kids, run
her own business and have her head in the sand at the same time.
SeaNymph
"Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in message
> "Dustin Cook" <bughunte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D639807C99...@69.16.185.250...
>> "Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in
>
>> little utilities for years before I ever wrote my first virus. Things
>> just.. went, south bound for awhile from there. But, I pulled up and
>> didn't hit the cliff head on. And that's where I am today.
>
> I don't care what you used to do. How many times do I have to say that?
> You aren't famous to me in any way, and I don't mean that as a put down...
> I mean it as a reality. I'm not interested in being impressed by your
> past. I'm interested in being impressed by who you have become today. I
> like discussing techie stuff, but that's probably better to do on the
> spyware group or alt.comp.virus where I posted some questions. I'd also be
> more interested in the utilities you wrote because I created one myself,
> albeit not a very fancy one.
If you don't care, than why do you keep reading it and why do you continue
to comment? Just mark it as read and move on.
I find it fascinating, being married to a deep software engineer who was
involved in the early stages of the internet.
>> Jenn. I did move on, ten years ago. Your friend BD brought up my past,
>> not myself.
>
> He hasn't been making you post all this stuff to me about your past.. has
> he?? You keep bringing it up.
He brought it all up for a very good reason. This is usenet, he's free to
post whatever he likes. Don't read it if you're not interested. Of course,
you have often displayed a distinct lack of interest in facts, as they apply
to the present.
>
Leo
an unknown and when he refutes her claim she says what he was don't matter.
Jenn proved herself to be stupid and a liar.
--
LEO
Don't confuse having a career with having a life. They're not the same
"Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in message
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SeaNymph
"Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in message
>
>> Now, I've made 4 reponses to this one post of yours; telling you more and
>> more about me with each one. Do you know why I'm doing it? It's not to
>> brag; as I did that years ago and paid dearly for my actions.
>
> Sure,, you're bragging.........
Is there something wrong, in your view, with being proud of your
accomplishments?
>
>> Want to guess Jenn? What I could possibly be upto? :)
>
> I don't care what you used to do. I care who you are now.
Don't you think a person's past has a lot to do with who they are today?
>
SeaNymph
the present <g>
"Leo" <nom...@for.me> wrote in message
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Jenn
> "Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in
>> So you have your 15 minutes of fame in that arena? Big deal? Well..
>> I'm sure it was a big deal to you then... Did you know I used to be a
>> professional seamstress and made costumes for the Tulsa Ballet?? I
>
> Hey now, at the time, it was pretty cool. At first. Then, for a long time
> I was really paranoid. heh.
>> I don't care......... I'd rather know who you are now.
> I'm just Dustin. exvxer, antimalware researcher and expert. One of the
> good guys Jenn.
whew! When will we get to the part where you just say ... you're "just
dustin..."?
huh? Who are you without the *.....antimalware researcher/expert/exvxer*?
>> oh baloney... admit it .. there's a part of you that loves to talk
>> about who you used to be and what you are capable of doing. That's
>> pride speaking, but it's also on the normal side.
> Sure, I enjoy a good discussion. But that's not possible without both
> sides having the same information.
Sure it is ...... but hey .. I know more about how you tick now. :D
>>> And just so you know, I didn't start out writing viruses or anything.
>>> I was publishing things to BBSes before the net was even.. what you
>>> know as the net. You just don't get out much I guess. :)
>> I get out where I want to be.. that's enough for me.
> Are you more of an indoors or outdoors person?
Spring and Fall I like being outdoors ... Summer and winter I like being
indoors.
>> <snip>
>>>> xYou have an odd way of defining right vs wrong. You and I were
>>>> xhaving what I thought was a very decent discussion, then all of a
>>>>x sudden you announce that you were only in the discussion to *expose
>>>> xhow bad a person I am* and how *disappointed* you are in finding out
>>>> xwho I am.
>>> No, I don't. BD wanted me to trespass onto equipment I did not own or
>>> have any access rights to, to obtain information on his behalf. It's
>>> not wrong of me to deny his request.
>> What's this got to do with what I said above? NOTHING!
> How do you figure? BD asked me to break in, basically and I turned him
> down. It would have been wrong to have accepted his offer, either for
> money or for free.
see the text I marked with an x before each line ^ and then see what you
responded below it. What you said had nothing to do with what I said.
>> I said you were FROM the script kiddy ERA ...
> Uhh, no; actually; I wasn't. I predated the first script virus by several
> years. *shrug*. Minor detail to you I suppose. I just dislike script
> kiddies Jenn, I always have.
yeah .. AFIAC ... you behaved just like them when you did your virus
scripting.
>> I'd be more interested in talking about the tech stuff on the
>> alt.comp.virus group since I do enjoy learning new tech stuff. Again,
>> you are bragging on yourself, which is not exactly a good thing to do.
>
> I'm always interested in tech stuff, post a question there anytime.
sure ...
>> that's great ... :D but above you said you never did any of it for
>> money.. meaning.. use your skills for money... but you are doing that
>> now.
> Uhh.. Jenn, your misreading what I wrote.
gee ... per chance.. is it possible the people and you included, misread
some things yourselves?
> I never used the skillset of
> virus writing for money. I never wrote a botnet and tried to extort money
> for use of the computer. That's what I meant when I said that.
ok ...
> malwarebytes was a job, simple as that. Most people who goto work and
> have jobs get paid for it.
>
>>> Do I intimidate you or something? Seriously.
>> no... haha ... :D You're just a man.
> Good. I'm glad we have that settled then.
It was never an issue.
Jenn
> being an unknown and when he refutes her claim she says what he was don't
> matter.
I have told Dustin repeatedly that I had never heard of him prior to him
joining my bbs. And it's a fact that he is known by only the people who
would care about what he did in the past. LOTS of people on planet Earth
could care less what he did, and I'm one of them. He has an issue with
needing people to validate him because of who he WAS, but who he WAS doesn't
mean alot to people when they want to know who he IS NOW.
Jenn
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> Some people don't understand that the past plays an very integral part in
> the present <g>
Some people don't understand that living in the past doesn't help a person
live in the NOW, and it surely doesn't help them move on to living in the
future.
Jenn
>
> "Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in message
>>> Jenn, I'm not a script kiddy; I never was. I was writing legitimate
>>> little utilities for years before I ever wrote my first virus. Things
>>> just.. went, south bound for awhile from there. But, I pulled up and
>>> didn't hit the cliff head on. And that's where I am today.
>> I don't care what you used to do. How many times do I have to say that?
>> You aren't famous to me in any way, and I don't mean that as a put
>> down... I mean it as a reality. I'm not interested in being impressed by
>> your past. I'm interested in being impressed by who you have become
>> today. I like discussing techie stuff, but that's probably better to do
>> on the spyware group or alt.comp.virus where I posted some questions. I'd
>> also be more interested in the utilities you wrote because I created one
>> myself, albeit not a very fancy one.
> If you don't care, than why do you keep reading it and why do you continue
> to comment? Just mark it as read and move on.
What I said is: "I don't care what you USED TO BE". I also said I'm
interested in who he is NOW.... that would be WHY I continue to read.
Jenn
> "Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in
>>> Now, I've made 4 reponses to this one post of yours; telling you more
>>> and more about me with each one. Do you know why I'm doing it? It's
>>> not to brag; as I did that years ago and paid dearly for my actions.
>> Sure,, you're bragging.........
> Nope. I wasn't. Just trying to educate you a little bit. I'm not some has
> been.. ehh, script kiddy.
I never said you were as "has been" script kiddy. I've told you you weren't
famous to me and to people like me. Who you were is not important to me..
Who you ARE NOW is what counts, imo.
SeaNymph
"Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in message
> "SeaNymph" <SeaN...@deepbluesea.com> wrote in message
> news:hqsubn$68g$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in message
>
>> continue to comment? Just mark it as read and move on.
>
> What I said is: "I don't care what you USED TO BE". I also said I'm
> interested in who he is NOW.... that would be WHY I continue to read.
>
did, what they accomplished has a lot to do with who they are now.
You always claim you haven't changed. It's something you say a lot. Yet
you somehow seem to be assuming that others change, and they change quite a
bit. I don't think that's a valid assumption.
Jenn
So? Population stats in the US alone says there are 307,006,550 people as
of 2009 -- and the world population as of today is approx. 3,091,235,155
That means 306,006,550 do not subscribe to the Rolling Stones in the USA,
and worldwide 3,090,235,155 people don't subscribe.
SeaNymph
"Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in message
> "SeaNymph" <SeaN...@deepbluesea.com> wrote in message
> news:hqsva0$aal$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Some people don't understand that the past plays an very integral part in
>> the present <g>
>
>
> Some people don't understand that living in the past doesn't help a person
> live in the NOW, and it surely doesn't help them move on to living in the
> future.
I don't believe that to be a true statement. You seem to be assuming that
someone is living in the past, yet you don't know that. Who a person is,
how they grew, what they learned and who they learned it from has a lot to
do with who they are now.
Moving on doesn't mean forgeting or ignoring your past. There are some
things that are better left in the past, like bad relationships or
incidents, but people still learn from those things, and even those bad
things help shape a person.
Bullwinkle
She thinks BD is a big deal, everyone else sucks hind tit.
"Dustin Cook" <bughunte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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SeaNymph
"Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in message
Again, you're assuming that his past plays no part in his present. I find
that to be almost impossible, for anyone. And actually, to dismiss what a
person has accomplished is pretty tacky. The people who know him may know
him for a variety of reasons, as is true of most people.
Jenn
>
> "Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in message
> news:hqssud$vdo$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>>> Now, I've made 4 reponses to this one post of yours; telling you more
>>> and
>>> more about me with each one. Do you know why I'm doing it? It's not to
>>> brag; as I did that years ago and paid dearly for my actions.
>>
>> Sure,, you're bragging.........
> Is there something wrong, in your view, with being proud of your
> accomplishments?
There are two main forms of pride ... bragging on oneself is one of them,
and having others brag on you is another. One causes a person heartache,
and the other results in humility.
>>> Want to guess Jenn? What I could possibly be upto? :)
>> I don't care what you used to do. I care who you are now.
> Don't you think a person's past has a lot to do with who they are today?
Sure ... next question? :)
Jenn
and some people don't understand that having a strangle hold on the past can
prevent people from enjoying their present and moving forward....
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SeaNymph
"Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in message
That's pretty lame, don't you think? A lot of people read the magazine.
Just because you don't know any of them is meaningless.
SeaNymph
"Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in message
> "SeaNymph" <SeaN...@deepbluesea.com> wrote in message
> news:hqsugb$6qd$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in message
>> news:hqssud$vdo$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>> Is there something wrong, in your view, with being proud of your
>> accomplishments?
>
> There are two main forms of pride ... bragging on oneself is one of them,
> and having others brag on you is another. One causes a person heartache,
> and the other results in humility.
You didn't answer the question. It was quite specific. You danced around
it, now I'm going to ask that you simply answer the very direct question.
Stating factual information about what a person has accomplished does not
automatically lead to the conclusion that they are bragging. That's an
assumption and/or judgement on your part.
>
>>>> Want to guess Jenn? What I could possibly be upto? :)
>>> I don't care what you used to do. I care who you are now.
>
>
>> Don't you think a person's past has a lot to do with who they are today?
>
> Sure ... next question? :)
Just scroll back up to the top and answer the first question.
SeaNymph
"Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in message
>
> and some people don't understand that having a strangle hold on the past
> can prevent people from enjoying their present and moving forward....
More assumptions. I've seen no indication that anyone has a "strangle hold
on the past".
Dustin Cook
news:hqsvcf$ahv$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> "Dustin Cook" <bughunte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D639D801B4...@69.16.185.250...
>> "Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in
>
>
>>> So you have your 15 minutes of fame in that arena? Big deal?
>>> Well.. I'm sure it was a big deal to you then... Did you know I
>>> used to be a professional seamstress and made costumes for the Tulsa
>>> Ballet?? I
>>
>> Hey now, at the time, it was pretty cool. At first. Then, for a long
>> time I was really paranoid. heh.
>
>>> I don't care......... I'd rather know who you are now.
>
>
>> I'm just Dustin. exvxer, antimalware researcher and expert. One of
>> the good guys Jenn.
>
> whew! When will we get to the part where you just say ... you're
> "just dustin..."?
> huh? Who are you without the *.....antimalware
> researcher/expert/exvxer*?
Without those, I'd be.. I dunno.. :) They are what makes me .. me.
>>>>> xYou have an odd way of defining right vs wrong. You and I were
>>>>> xhaving what I thought was a very decent discussion, then all of a
>>>>>x sudden you announce that you were only in the discussion to
>>>>>*expose
>>>>> xhow bad a person I am* and how *disappointed* you are in finding
>>>>> out xwho I am.
>
>>>> No, I don't. BD wanted me to trespass onto equipment I did not own
>>>> or have any access rights to, to obtain information on his behalf.
>>>> It's not wrong of me to deny his request.
>
>>> What's this got to do with what I said above? NOTHING!
>
>
>> How do you figure? BD asked me to break in, basically and I turned
>> him down. It would have been wrong to have accepted his offer, either
>> for money or for free.
>
> see the text I marked with an x before each line ^ and then see what
> you responded below it. What you said had nothing to do with what I
> said.
>
>>> I said you were FROM the script kiddy ERA ...
>
>
>> Uhh, no; actually; I wasn't. I predated the first script virus by
>> several years. *shrug*. Minor detail to you I suppose. I just dislike
>> script kiddies Jenn, I always have.
>
> yeah .. AFIAC ... you behaved just like them when you did your virus
> scripting.
Minor technicality for you I suppose, but i'm going to say it anyway.
Programming, isn't scripting. My viruses were written in assembler and
asic v5, not visual basic script, nor macro scripting for .doc files.
Script is.. script, like a .bat or cmd file, or even.. javascript; but to
the true sense of the word, it's not actual programming.
There is a difference.
>> I'm always interested in tech stuff, post a question there anytime.
>
> sure ...
It's what I do. :)
>
>>> that's great ... :D but above you said you never did any of it
>>> for money.. meaning.. use your skills for money... but you are doing
>>> that now.
>
>> Uhh.. Jenn, your misreading what I wrote.
>
> gee ... per chance.. is it possible the people and you included,
> misread some things yourselves?
Yes. Entirely.
>> I never used the skillset of
>> virus writing for money. I never wrote a botnet and tried to extort
>> money for use of the computer. That's what I meant when I said that.
>
> ok ...
Sorry for confusing you earlier, I guess I wasn't clear enough. I will
try to be more thorough in the future. Ok?
Jenn
> "Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in
>>> I'm just Dustin. exvxer, antimalware researcher and expert. One of
>>> the good guys Jenn.
>> whew! When will we get to the part where you just say ... you're
>> "just dustin..."?
>> huh? Who are you without the *.....antimalware
>> researcher/expert/exvxer*?
> Without those, I'd be.. I dunno.. :) They are what makes me .. me.
You're MORE than just what you do, Dustin. Don't you understand??
<snip>
>>> Uhh, no; actually; I wasn't. I predated the first script virus by
>>> several years. *shrug*. Minor detail to you I suppose. I just dislike
>>> script kiddies Jenn, I always have.
>>
>> yeah .. AFIAC ... you behaved just like them when you did your virus
>> scripting.
> Minor technicality for you I suppose, but i'm going to say it anyway.
> Programming, isn't scripting. My viruses were written in assembler and
> asic v5, not visual basic script, nor macro scripting for .doc files.
> Script is.. script, like a .bat or cmd file, or even.. javascript; but to
> the true sense of the word, it's not actual programming.
> There is a difference.
That's the info I'd be interested in discussing on the other groups I
mentioned before.
<snip>
>>
>>> Uhh.. Jenn, your misreading what I wrote.
>>
>> gee ... per chance.. is it possible the people and you included,
>> misread some things yourselves?
> Yes. Entirely.
good to know..........
>>> I never used the skillset of
>>> virus writing for money. I never wrote a botnet and tried to extort
>>> money for use of the computer. That's what I meant when I said that.
>> ok ...
> Sorry for confusing you earlier, I guess I wasn't clear enough. I will
> try to be more thorough in the future. Ok?
okie dokie ... :)
Leo
--
LEO
Don't confuse having a career with having a life. They're not the same
"Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in message
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Dustin Cook
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Jenn, you bought the BS from ASCII huh? I'm not here because I need
validation. If you want to be nitpicky, I was more than validated when I
was asked to work for malwarebytes. Yep, that's right, they asked me. I
didn't fill out any application or online form beforehand. My reputation
is what caused them to ask me Jenn. That would be, validation. Not the
nonsense posted here.
I post here because I choose to do so, I don't take BS from anyone and
will happily call anyone on it when they do post Bullshit. That's the
issue ASCII and I actually have. Don't drink all of the koolaid next
time, ok?
Jenn
> You know so much about so little.
>
Likewise, we are all in a similar boat... I know more than you do about
something.. and vice versa.... We are all the same.
--
Jenn (from Oklahoma)
Jenn
> "Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in
> news:hqsvmg$bqe$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> "Leo" <nom...@for.me> wrote in message
>> news:hqsue7$6i2$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Jenn reveals much about herself with her post. She chides Dustin for
>>> being an unknown and when he refutes her claim she says what he was
>>> don't matter.
>>
>>
>> I have told Dustin repeatedly that I had never heard of him prior to
>> him joining my bbs. And it's a fact that he is known by only the
>> people who would care about what he did in the past. LOTS of people
>> on planet Earth could care less what he did, and I'm one of them. He
>> has an issue with needing people to validate him because of who he
>> WAS, but who he WAS doesn't mean alot to people when they want to know
>> who he IS NOW.
>
> Jenn, you bought the BS from ASCII huh?
I'm not exactly sure who that is ... some people say it's pcbutts, and some
people say it isn't.. so I really don't know.
> I'm not here because I need
> validation. If you want to be nitpicky, I was more than validated when I
> was asked to work for malwarebytes. Yep, that's right, they asked me. I
> didn't fill out any application or online form beforehand. My reputation
> is what caused them to ask me Jenn. That would be, validation. Not the
> nonsense posted here.
Good.. then you won't need to keep repeating it then.. right?
> I post here because I choose to do so, I don't take BS from anyone and
> will happily call anyone on it when they do post Bullshit.
I'm glad you're here. :) Likewise.. I don't take bs from anyone either,
but I don't need to use the foul language to get my point across. That's
just me, tho.. it's not an expectation I have for anyone else.
> That's the
> issue ASCII and I actually have. Don't drink all of the koolaid next
> time, ok?
I don't like koolaide and don't drink it.
--
Jenn (from Oklahoma)
Leo
--
LEO
Don't confuse having a career with having a life. They're not the same
"Jenn" <no...@noway.atnohow.anyday> wrote in message
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Jenn
>I hate to burst your bubble but we are not all the same.
>
What I meant by that is we are all in the same boat... all human ... all
have problems ... issues ... good attitudes.. bad attitudes... struggles..
hopes and dreams. We are the same, but just traveling different roads.
--
Jenn (from Oklahoma)
Aardvark
No need to be so verbose: we are all, today, the result of the sum total
of our experiences.
There, that better?
--
Top posting because your cursor happens to be there is like shitting in
your pants because that's where your asshole happens to be.
<http://www.dickgaughan.co.uk/usenet/guide/faq08-topp.html>
Aardvark
> and some people don't understand that having a strangle hold on the past
> can prevent people from enjoying their present and moving forward....
Hey, love your sig.
Aardvark
Point of information: at the end of 2008, the world's population of humans
was 6,697,254,041.
Jenn
"Aardvark" <aard...@youllnever.know> wrote in message
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hmmm I used a different reference for that figure..
--
Jenn (from Oklahoma)
SeaNymph
"Aardvark" <aard...@youllnever.know> wrote in message
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:42:02 -0400, SeaNymph wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in message
>> news:hqsvmh$bqe$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> "SeaNymph" <SeaN...@deepbluesea.com> wrote in message
>>> news:hqsva0$aal$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> Some people don't understand that the past plays an very integral part
>>>> in the present <g>
>>>
>>>
>>> Some people don't understand that living in the past doesn't help a
>>> person live in the NOW, and it surely doesn't help them move on to
>>> living in the future.
>>
>> I don't believe that to be a true statement. You seem to be assuming
>> that someone is living in the past, yet you don't know that. Who a
>> person is, how they grew, what they learned and who they learned it from
>> has a lot to do with who they are now.
>>
>> Moving on doesn't mean forgeting or ignoring your past. There are some
>> things that are better left in the past, like bad relationships or
>> incidents, but people still learn from those things, and even those bad
>> things help shape a person.
>>
>
> No need to be so verbose: we are all, today, the result of the sum total
> of our experiences.
>
> There, that better?
It was quite succinct and nice. However, some people still won't get it.
Aardvark
Your reference must have been dated around 1960, then.
Dustin Cook
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> "Dustin Cook" <bughunte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D63C0C5621...@69.16.185.247...
>> "Jenn" <m...@nowhere.whocareswhatthisemailisanyway> wrote in
>> news:hqsvmg$bqe$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>> "Leo" <nom...@for.me> wrote in message
>>> news:hqsue7$6i2$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> Jenn reveals much about herself with her post. She chides Dustin
>>>> for being an unknown and when he refutes her claim she says what he
>>>> was don't matter.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have told Dustin repeatedly that I had never heard of him prior to
>>> him joining my bbs. And it's a fact that he is known by only the
>>> people who would care about what he did in the past. LOTS of people
>>> on planet Earth could care less what he did, and I'm one of them.
>>> He has an issue with needing people to validate him because of who
>>> he WAS, but who he WAS doesn't mean alot to people when they want to
>>> know who he IS NOW.
>>
>> Jenn, you bought the BS from ASCII huh?
>
> I'm not exactly sure who that is ... some people say it's pcbutts, and
> some people say it isn't.. so I really don't know.
He's the fellow who laughingly told you I was in need of an ego boost
because I had low self esteem. You really shouldn't take that as a
serious notion of why I am here. He has no clue what I think about, what
I need or don't. He just doesn't think I'm the "good guy". He's been
saying for several years that I'm going to get someone with BugHunter. I
never did, so his only recourse now is to get suckers who don't know our
history (like you) to repeat his garbage as if it was.. Gospel.
That's why I'm such a hardass when it comes to details and information
Jenn. Without all of the details you can't help but make incorrect
assumptions about me and why I'm here.
ASCII is not however, pcbutts. pcbutts is a lieing code thief, ASCII is
someone I probably wronged with a virus years ago and has been stewing
over it ever since, waiting for me to "nail someone" with BugHunter.
Ya see Jenn, not everyone believed me at first when I said I wasn't
writing destructive code anymore. Many people in fact, thought If I
didn't already, I would later plant something in BugHunter to get
people.
None of that ever happened, so they have nothing else with substance to
try; aside from newbies who don't know any better buying and drinking
the "ego needs" koolaid he's been selling for a few months now.
You are one of the newbies Jenn in so far as my history goes.
As I said since I started posting here, it's the details which are
important. You didn't have the details here, but you have more of them
now. :)
>> I'm not here because I need
>> validation. If you want to be nitpicky, I was more than validated
>> when I was asked to work for malwarebytes. Yep, that's right, they
>> asked me. I didn't fill out any application or online form
>> beforehand. My reputation is what caused them to ask me Jenn. That
>> would be, validation. Not the nonsense posted here.
>
> Good.. then you won't need to keep repeating it then.. right?
I'm forced to repeat it, for the reasons stated above. Until you stop
drinking the koolaid and are able to form your own conclusions based on
all the evidence, not the BS people like to pretend is evidence. It's
not just you Jenn, if it helps. People are suckered every single day by
people they don't know, that they think are helpful.
> I'm glad you're here. :) Likewise.. I don't take bs from anyone
> either, but I don't need to use the foul language to get my point
> across. That's just me, tho.. it's not an expectation I have for
> anyone else.
I enjoy my usage of foul language. I could speak all nice and PC if
necessary, but that doesn't fit my personality. I don't believe in
putting icing on the cake or beating around the bush. If something needs
to be said, I'm going to say it. It may not be nice and softened for
what I like to call virgin ears, but.. hey, that's life.
>
>> That's the
>> issue ASCII and I actually have. Don't drink all of the koolaid next
>> time, ok?
>
> I don't like koolaide and don't drink it.
you have drank some of it. You think i'm here for my ego right?
Jenn
> "Jenn" <no...@noway.atnohow.anyday> wrote in
>>> Jenn, you bought the BS from ASCII huh?
<snip>
> None of that ever happened, so they have nothing else with substance to
> try; aside from newbies who don't know any better buying and drinking
> the "ego needs" koolaid he's been selling for a few months now.
>
> You are one of the newbies Jenn in so far as my history goes.
> As I said since I started posting here, it's the details which are
> important. You didn't have the details here, but you have more of them
> now. :)
I didn't need to know the details to believe that you don't do the vxer
thing anymore.
>> Good.. then you won't need to keep repeating it then.. right?
> I'm forced to repeat it, for the reasons stated above. Until you stop
> drinking the koolaid and are able to form your own conclusions based on
> all the evidence, not the BS people like to pretend is evidence. It's
> not just you Jenn, if it helps. People are suckered every single day by
> people they don't know, that they think are helpful.
Dustin, I already believed you, so I really didn't need to know the details.
--
Jenn (from Oklahoma)
Jenn
>> No need to be so verbose: we are all, today, the result of the sum total
>> of our experiences.
>> There, that better?
> It was quite succinct and nice. However, some people still won't get it.
>
What you don't seem to understand is some people never grow past who they
used to be because they are so focused on what they used to be that they
can't let it go.
--
Jenn (from Oklahoma)
Aardvark
That's right: we are all, today, the result of the sum total of our
experiences.
--
SeaNymph
"Jenn" <no...@noway.atnohow.anyday> wrote in message
And what you don't seem to understand is that not all people do that, and
you have no way of knowing who does and who doesn't.
Jenn
"Aardvark" <aard...@youllnever.know> wrote in message
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 23:30:41 -0500, Jenn wrote:
>
>> "SeaNymph" <SeaN...@deepbluesea.com> wrote in message
>> news:hqtf6c$31l$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>>>> No need to be so verbose: we are all, today, the result of the sum
>>>> total of our experiences.
>>
>>
>>>> There, that better?
>>
>>> It was quite succinct and nice. However, some people still won't get
>>> it.
>>>
>>>
>> What you don't seem to understand is some people never grow past who
>> they used to be because they are so focused on what they used to be that
>> they can't let it go.
> That's right: we are all, today, the result of the sum total of our
> experiences.
>
That's an accurate platitude for sure .....
--
Jenn (from Oklahoma)
Jenn
Of course all people don't do that, but some people do, and when they do,
it's fairly obvious.
--
Jenn (from Oklahoma)
Aardvark
>> That's right: we are all, today, the result of the sum total of our
>> experiences.
>>
>>
> That's an accurate platitude for sure .....
Not a platitude. A truism.
Leo
--
LEO
Don't confuse having a career with having a life. They're not the same
"Jenn" <no...@noway.atnohow.anyday> wrote in message
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~BD~
> Jenn reveals much about herself with her post. She chides Dustin for
> being an unknown and when he refutes her claim she says what he was
> don't matter.
>
>
Leo reveals much about *himself* with his post.
Jenn is *not* stupid, nor a liar.
--
Dave
Bullwinkle
She hangs with you and another Transgender.
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