It's over when McCain pounds the inexperienced, ignorant, ultra-liberal
socialist Barrack Hussein Obama into the ground come November.
Do you really believe America will elect someone named, Barrack Hussein
Obama for president?
Pitiful...
No, but somebody named Barack Hussein Obama looks set to be the next
President of the United States.
Which state will he win?
Illinois
okay
so youre not just a deluded whiner
youre a bigot
congratulations
be strong in your stupidity
arf meow arf - raggedy ann and andy for president and vice
limp and spineless lint for brains is better yet and nice
then rueing pair of shrub and dick the republican lice
call me desdenova seven seven seven seven seven seven
Get out those race cards!!!
LOL!!!
The State of confusion?
>
> Illinois
LOL!!!
>>
>> Illinois
Looks like you already did. Try Tide on that sheet and hood. They say it
really gets out the stains.
Every time we criticize Obama the liberals will cry racism. That may work
with wimpy Hillary and Edwards supporters but real Americans are sick of
that whining. Obama will be shown to be unfit for the presidency in spite of
your useless race cards!
Yup.
>
>Pitiful...
Well, yes, you are.
>
>
>
--
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An ex-Republican.
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a.a. #2211 -- Bryan Zepp Jamieson
No! You can't handle the truth! Don't say we didn't warn you! ;-)
Everytime you fascists criticize Obama, it WILL be racism.
> That may work with wimpy Hillary and Edwards supporters but real Americans
> are sick of that whining.
Actually, "real" Americans are sick of republicans. That's why your party
is going down in flames in November. Make sure to bring marshmallows.
> Obama will be shown to be unfit for the presidency
Obama will be the president and then you can get out a walker and take that
drooling old Bush clone back to the nursing home.
No. You can't handle an America that's willing to rise above the racism of
right wing fossils like yourself. But it makes no difference. Obama will
win, the republican party will go down in the worst defeat in decades, and
you can spend the next forty years with your face pressed against the glass,
from the outside looking in on an American banquet you and your fascists
friends are no longer a part of.
LOL!!! American banquet? You're gonna lock us out of the 'soup kitchen'?
LOL!!! Facists!!! Facists!!! Facists!!! No one can criticize Obama!
>> That may work with wimpy Hillary and Edwards supporters but real
>> Americans are sick of that whining.
>
> Actually, "real" Americans are sick of republicans. That's why your party
> is going down in flames in November. Make sure to bring marshmallows.
>
>> Obama will be shown to be unfit for the presidency
>
> Obama will be the president and then you can get out a walker and take
> that drooling old Bush clone back to the nursing home.
>
No chance!
snicker, babs proves again she has no clue what socialism means.
thanks for posting. you show the idiocy of your "views" more clearly
than anyone else does.
At the end when George Bush fades into obscurity-- the world is coming to an
end, everyone has gone crazy and homicidal and he appears to be the last one
on earth.
Yet he walks in with a big bucket of popcorn in his hand and takes Sidney
with him.
Well?
Why did Bush and Sidney McCain (Voted for Bush's bullshit 96 out of 100
times in COngress) lead us into a situation where Americans have to go to a
soup kitchen; outsourcing millions of jobs, destroying the treasury and for
what? A fictional legacy.
____________________________________
How much different is Obama from a Socialist?
According to the paranoid RWers, Barack Hussein Obama is:
(n) - check
muslim - check
terrorist - check
womanizer - check
racist - check
anti-american - check
naive - check
unexperienced - check
elitist - check
appeaser - check
associated with Stalinists - check
receives secret messages from aliens through a chip implanted in his sixth
pinky left toe nail - check
I'm sold, Obama is EEEEVIL!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA----------
Aaaaaahhh! Utopia!
Well what?
Both parties are responsible for outsourcing millions of jobs. I grew up
hearing Democrats would protect American jobs, but now they're not even good
for that.
Godwin's Law: prov.
“As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison
involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.” There is a tradition in many
groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned
the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress.
Godwin's Law: prov.
“As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison
involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.” There is a tradition in many
groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned
the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress.
The United States
> >>> In article <SeGdneOZxdxEbNjV...@supernews.com>,
> >>> "BibsBro" <Bib...@taxachusetts.com> wrote:
> >>>> Do you really believe America will elect someone named, Barrack Hussein
> >>>> Obama for president?
> Every time we criticize Obama the liberals will cry racism. That may work
what other names do you think disqualify candidates?
Michael Stanley Dukakis!
If the shoe fits, wear your racism.
My law: Any time Obama's name is brought up repugs will respond with a
racist or muslim epitet.
Like it will matter........
How much different is McCain from a moron like Bush?
Obama is unfit for the presidency. Call it racist, I don't care.
Drunken frat boy Bush was unfit before 2000 and McCain is just a lunatic.
But he beat crazy Algore and the traitor John Fuckin' Kerry, but McCain is
gonna slaughter Obama.
McCain doesn't fucking have anything to offer, he doesn't fucking do
anything.
>
> Do you really believe America will elect someone named, Barrack Hussein
> Obama for president?
>
> Pitiful...
Well they voted for George w Bush and he is an IDIOT. Mr. Obama is
brilliant in comparison, heck he is brilliant period. Your Saddam
Dubua Bush didn't serve me as an American ,he doesn't even serve
Republicans. Me
thinks the idiots who think a name matters want piss fucking poor
government representation.
BibsBro wrote:
> "Gandalf Grey" <vali...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4846016a$0$25620$9a6e...@news.newshosting.com...
> >
> > "BibsBro" <Bib...@taxachusetts.com> wrote in message
> > news:ZYmdnRbgm-_yZtjV...@supernews.com...
> >>
> >> "mariposas rand mair fheal" <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:mair_fheal-B9742...@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> >>> In article <SeGdneOZxdxEbNjV...@supernews.com>,
> >>> "BibsBro" <Bib...@taxachusetts.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "Info For YOU!" <BushSc...@Satan.net> wrote in message
> >>>> news:gSl1k.612$L_....@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com...
> >>>> > .....for McDole McCain.
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>> It's over when McCain pounds the inexperienced, ignorant, ultra-liberal
> >>>> socialist Barrack Hussein Obama into the ground come November.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you really believe America will elect someone named, Barrack Hussein
> >>>> Obama for president?
> >>>>
> >>>> Pitiful...
> >>>
> >>> okay
> >>> so youre not just a deluded whiner
> >>> youre a bigot
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Get out those race cards!!!
> >
> > Looks like you already did. Try Tide on that sheet and hood. They say it
> > really gets out the stains.
> >
> >
>
> Every time we criticize Obama the liberals will cry racism. That may work
> with wimpy Hillary and Edwards supporters but real Americans are sick of
> that whining.
Yea like the racist Obama, ever heard that one before idiot? I've
never in my life heard a liberal call a black person a racist.
> Obama will be shown to be unfit for the presidency in spite of
> your useless race cards!
Why, you mean like YOUR lameass fuck Bush has done?
You could run the ultimate conservative under the (D) and you people
would say the same thing. Hillary is close though.
Google "kill a cop" (R) Tom Alciere. Republicans are to stupid to vote
let alone speculate which Democrats are
somehow, 'unfit.'
Rigged elections don't count as a win.
I think McCain might win 14 states, if he does not shit himself in public.
Obama will win one America.
Care to make a bet on it? Loser stops posting on Usenet for 6 months.
This is where all the other Usenet righties high-tail it and run...
whatchya got?
The USSC stopped Gore from rigging an election.
> I think McCain might win 14 states, if he does not shit himself in public.
> Obama will win one America.
McCain will stop Jimmy Carter from having his second term by win more
than 30 states.
A socialist believes that the government should own the means of production
and distribution of goods and services. Obama doesn't believe that. So, he
is the polar opposite of a socialist.
%%%% ROTFLMAO! "Racist" Republicans if they exist wouldn't be voting for a
Democrat for President. McCain will win in November because of the racist in
the DEMOCRAT party You silly child. ":o)
Liberalism is a Mental Disorder ---- Michael Savage-
|
|
No. We're going to make sure you eat there.
>
>
>
>
And Obama is going to beat John Fucking Bush-Clone McSame like a rented
mule.
LOL!!! They'll be too busy criticizing Gramps McSame.
>
>>> That may work with wimpy Hillary and Edwards supporters but real
>>> Americans are sick of that whining.
>>
>> Actually, "real" Americans are sick of republicans. That's why your
>> party is going down in flames in November. Make sure to bring
>> marshmallows.
>>
>>> Obama will be shown to be unfit for the presidency
>>
>> Obama will be the president and then you can get out a walker and take
>> that drooling old Bush clone back to the nursing home.
>>
>
> No chance!
Yes. Puffy McBush's Third Term has no chance at all.
>
>
There are no racists in the DEMOCRATIC Party, Muffy. That's why the
DEMOCRATIC Party has the support of almost all of the black people in the
country and why the DEMOCRATIC Party has become the first political party in
U.S. history to nominate a black man for POTUS. The REPUBLIC party, on the
other hand, is filled with racists -- that is why it always nominates old
white men, each a clone of the previous.
will be listening to Rush and voting for McSameAsBush
> Liberalism is
opposed to the racism of the repugnican party
So then Hillary should be your nominee.
> I think McCain might win 14 states, if he does not shit himself in public.
> Obama will win one America.
>
>
What has Obama done to ever unite Americans? He is 100% liberal.
That's what we're afraid of! The Democrats will destroy the middle-class.
Fool! Black people can be racist too. When they vote for Obama just because
he's black, that's racist.
Obama is the nominee and he's going to beat McSame like a rented mule while
the rest of your party goes down in flames.
Making bets with anonymous posters on the Internet is foolish. If I knew you
better I would take that bet and I don't bet too often.
the monetary royalists. And good riddance.
I am willing to consider Obama may not be 100% Socialist, but he's
definitely not 'polar opposite of a socialist'.
WOW, what a KOOK!
Obama isn't black.
I have never met a black person who claimed that the black race was superior
to all others. On the other hand, I have met many white people who claim
that the white race is superior to all others and all were in the Republican
Party.
As a Carter supporter in 1980, I can tell you that Obama is his clone.
Same failed ideas and policies.
1. Sure you were.
2. No he isn't.
given carters popularity
perhaps this is not comparison you would want to draw attention to
arf meow arf - raggedy ann and andy for president and vice
limp and spineless lint for brains is better yet and nice
then rueing pair of shrub and dick the republican lice
call me desdenova seven seven seven seven seven seven
You fucked up, Wheeze. If you had said you were a Carter supporter in
1976 and etc., etc., someone might have believed you.
I just love your stupidity. Just because I was not legal voting age in
1976, proves that I didn't support Carter in 1980. What a MORON.
Yes, I did vote for Carter in 1980.
> 2. No he isn't.
Yes he is. I suggest that you educate yourself.
By MIKE ROBINSON – 47 minutes ago
CHICAGO (AP) — A prominent fundraiser for Sen. Barack Obama and Gov.
Rod Blagojevich was convicted of fraud, money laundering and bribery
Wednesday after a trial that exposed a corrupt culture of payoffs and
campaign finance abuses plaguing Illinois politics.
Antoin "Tony" Rezko, 52, who according to witnesses wielded wide
powers within the Blagojevich administration and now faces a stiff
prison sentence, was immediately taken into custody following the
verdict.
U.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald told reporters the verdict
represented "an antidote to the poison of corruption" that testimony
alleged included the fixing of state boards that controlled a $40
billion pension fund and made major decisions about hospital
construction.
The nine-week trial included explosive testimony about all-night drug-
fueled parties involving the government's star witness and allegations
that Blagojevich personally discussed a state job for a donor.
Political corruption in Illinois has been deemed so extensive that the
FBI has sent an extra official corruption squad into the state.
Federal officials say the investigation is far from over.
"If morals don't get to them, I hope the fear of going to jail does,"
Fitzgerald told reporters.
Rezko's conviction also intensifies the spotlight on his relationship
with Obama. Rezko has known Obama since he entered politics, raised
money for his Illinois campaigns and was involved in a 2005 real
estate deal with him. Obama has donated $150,000 in Rezko-related
contributions to charity.
The presumptive Democratic presidential nominee is accused of no
wrongdoing and his name was barely mentioned at trial, but Republicans
are unlikely to let voters forget about his ties to Rezko as the
presidential race heats up.
Obama issued a statement saying he was "saddened," adding, "This isn't
the Tony Rezko I knew, but now he has been convicted by a jury on
multiple charges that once again shine a spotlight on the need for
reform."
Blagojevich also was not accused of wrongdoing, but his reputation
received a serious battering by the testimony that emerged. The
Legislature has been discussing impeachment, and a wide-open
Democratic primary in 2010 is likely.
One witness said the governor discussed a state payroll job for a
campaign contributor with a $25,000 donation lying on the table.
Another said Blagojevich spoke of big-money state contracts for those
who helped him advance his political career — possibly as a
presidential candidate.
A money management executive who wanted to invest state pension assets
said he was told to sign a contract promising to pay a $800,000 fee to
a consultant he had never heard of based in the Turks & Caicos
islands.
"That's the way the governor handles patronage here," he quoted a
Chicago attorney who was pressing him to sign the contract as saying.
Blagojevich has repeatedly denied taking part in any of the shadowy
political dealings that were described from the witness stand. On
Wednesday, he read a prepared statement to reporters in which he
called Rezko "a friend" who "was a supporter."
"On a personal level I am deeply sad for what's happened to Tony,"
Blagojevich said. "The jury's decision is yet another reminder that
ours is a system of government that is ruled by laws and not by men. I
respect the decision of the jury."
Rezko, a Chicago real estate developer and fast-food entrepreneur, was
convicted of six counts of mail fraud, six counts of wire fraud, two
counts of aiding and abetting bribery and two counts of money
laundering.
The jury acquitted him of three counts of wire fraud, four counts of
aiding and abetting bribery, and one count of attempted extortion.
His conviction was a victory for federal prosecutors, who had accused
him of plotting with admitted political fixer Stuart Levine to squeeze
payoffs out of money management firms that sought to invest the assets
of the $40 billion state Teachers Retirement System.
Rezko also was charged in the 24-count indictment with plotting with
Levine to get a $1.5 million bribe from a contractor who sought state
approval to build a hospital in the McHenry County suburb of Crystal
Lake.
Levine pleaded guilty to the charges and became the government's star
witness in hopes of getting a relatively lenient 5 1/2-year sentence.
Fitzgerald declined to estimate what sentence Rezko might get. U.S.
District Judge Amy J. St. Eve set sentencing for Sept. 3.
Clad in a sharply tailored tan suit, Rezko showed no emotion as St.
Eve read the verdict. He smiled slightly at well-wishers and waved as
U.S. Marshal Kim Widup and a crew of deputies escorted him to the
lockup.
Rezko, who has dual U.S. and Syrian nationality, had been free on $8
million bond pending the trial's conclusion.
Levine was a bizarre witness by any yardstick. He freely admitted to
years of attending marathon drug parties in a suburban hotel and
taking large doses of cocaine, crystal methampethamine, ketamine and
other drugs, frequently accompanied by shots of vodka.
Jurors who met briefly with reporters following the verdict said that
they realized Levine was not the most reliable witness.
"He played with us in the courtroom also," Andrea Coleman said. But
another juror, Mona Lisa Mauricette, said his testimony appeared to
fit in with tapes of phone conversations made secretly by the FBI.
"We weren't going only on Levine's testimony," Mauricette said.
The jurors laughed and declined to comment when one reporter asked
whether they had realized before the trial how corrupt Illinois
politics could be. They also said Blagojevich's role in the case had
no influence on them
Jamieson is too stupid to realize that Carter was a candidate in 1980.
What do you expect? Jamieson is a moron.
You're the one bragging that you supported a "failed" president.
I'd be careful calling folks with normal intelligence morons if I was
you...
--
What do you call a Republican with a conscience?
An ex-Republican.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827 (From Yang, AthD (h.c)
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Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001
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a.a. #2211 -- Bryan Zepp Jamieson
Lamont Cranston wrote:
> BibsBro wrote:
> > "Tim Crowley" <timmyt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:6edf6c32-2613-409b...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jun 3, 6:37 pm, "BibsBro" <Bibs...@taxachusetts.com> wrote:
> >> "Info For YOU!" <BushScrubr...@Satan.net> wrote in
> >> messagenews:gSl1k.612$L_....@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com...
> >>
> >> > .....for McDole McCain.
> >>
> >> It's over when McCain pounds the inexperienced, ignorant,
> >> ultra-liberal socialist Barrack Hussein Obama into the ground come
> >> November.
> >
> >
> > snicker, babs proves again she has no clue what socialism means.
> > thanks for posting. you show the idiocy of your "views" more clearly
> > than anyone else does.
> > ____________________________________
> > How much different is Obama from a Socialist?
>
> A socialist believes that the government should own the means of production
> and distribution of goods and services. Obama doesn't believe that. So, he
> is the polar opposite of a socialist.
Well some things government does, but not like the food and toilet
paper line. I would like to see the government
(competent government) take over energy, oil electricity, to take the
profit mongering out of it.
And I believe you...no really! I do.
>
>> 2. No he isn't.
>
> Yes he is. I suggest that you educate yourself.
No he's not and I suggest you find someplace to troll that's a little more
naive.
>
you can lead a horse to water, but
He is the ultimate uniter. Better than Clinton, Bush, he is Hitler,
and his followers,
Godwin's Law: prov.
“As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison
involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.” There is a tradition in many
groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned
the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress.
,
| and his followers,
It is not bragging, it is a fact. I voted for Carter in 1980.
> I'd be careful calling folks with normal intelligence morons if I was
> you...
No one ever confuses you with someone with normal intelligence.
> --
>
> What do you call a Republican with a conscience?
>
> An ex-Republican.
>
> http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827(From Yang, AthD (h.c)
>
> "Prosperity and peace are in the balance," -- Putsch, not admitting that he's against both
>
> Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001
>
> Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
> Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
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I leave the trolling to you and ole Zepp.
They would screw it up beyond belief!
Tell us MORE, Wheeze!
>
--
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An ex-Republican.
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I take it he wasn't a failed president in 1980. When did he become a
failed president? 1985? 1990? 2000?
>
>> I'd be careful calling folks with normal intelligence morons if I was
>> you...
>
>No one ever confuses you with someone with normal intelligence.
>
Well, you're not exactly in a position to tell, are you?
>> --
>>
>> What do you call a Republican with a conscience?
>>
>> An ex-Republican.
>>
>> http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827(From Yang, AthD (h.c)
>>
>> "Prosperity and peace are in the balance," -- Putsch, not admitting that he's against both
>>
>> Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001
>>
>> Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
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>> a.a. #2211 -- Bryan Zepp Jamieson
--
What do you call a Republican with a conscience?
An ex-Republican.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827 (From Yang, AthD (h.c)
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Electricity in California was a publically-held utility (i.e.,
government-run) from 1895 until 1998. During that time, and despite
the fact that California was the fastest-growing state in the Union,
there was never a electicity shortage in California. Not during the
Great Depression, not during two world wars, not during the phenomenal
growth following WW2.
It took privatization of the generation plants to fuck everything up
beyond belief.
except places like los angeles palo alto santa clara
they have city owned electricity
Criticize Bush it's heresy of his Sainthood.
Only thing you are afraid of is running into some truth serum. Sodium
pentathol is kryptonite to repugs.
If Americans had put Bush on this drug in 1999, he would have been arrested
and incarcerated and McCain would've died by now from the strain of George &
Babs and their gay marriage.
Redding.
Thanks to Gov. Pete Wilson (R.), mean, spiteful little racist who should be
in prison for Enron connections but is currently Gov. Schwarzenegger's boss.
Jamieson just keeps on showing his ignorance.... Most of California
residents have always been supplied by investor owned utilities..
Southern California Edison served most of Southern California except
for the San Diego are, which was served by San Diego Gas & Electric,
and Pacific Gas & Electric served the area in and around San
Francisco.
There was no mass privatization in 1998.. All three above are and
have always been investor owned utilities...
> During that time, and despite
>the fact that California was the fastest-growing state in the Union,
>there was never a electicity shortage in California. Not during the
>Great Depression, not during two world wars, not during the phenomenal
>growth following WW2.
>
>It took privatization of the generation plants to fuck everything up
>beyond belief.
Strange because there was no privatization....
perhaps it was Jamieson's drunkenness that got him confused...
> On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:14:26 -0700, 4084 Dead
> <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>
> >Electricity in California was a publically-held utility (i.e.,
> >government-run) from 1895 until 1998.
>
> Jamieson just keeps on showing his ignorance.... Most of California
> residents have always been supplied by investor owned utilities..
they were publicly regulated corporations
with their rates controlled by the state
and they owned many of their generators
other generators had their rates regulated
it was much closer to government run than privately run
> There was no mass privatization in 1998.. All three above are and
> have always been investor owned utilities...
they were required to divest their generators
the companies would remain as publicly regulated distributors
but no longer generators
instead they would be required to buy their power on auction
once they completed divestment
they could pass through generator charges to customers
sdge had completed and so it was san diego customers that saw bills double
pge hadnt completed and so it was bankrupted from generator charges
the state could still regulate generators within california
to prevent price gouging
but for out of state generators was dependent on the feds
clinton agree to protect the state while the system was brought up
then shrub was selected
and since california had voted against him
agreed to let out of state generators run unregulated
generators invented power shortages to force excessive prices on auctions
> Strange because there was no privatization....
generators were
> perhaps it was Jamieson's drunkenness that got him confused...
and youre either uninformed ill-informed or just stupid
>In article <tdaf449a4bfqfc3ad...@4ax.com>,
> Steve <steven...@yahooooooo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:14:26 -0700, 4084 Dead
>> <zepp22...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Electricity in California was a publically-held utility (i.e.,
>> >government-run) from 1895 until 1998.
>>
>> Jamieson just keeps on showing his ignorance.... Most of California
>> residents have always been supplied by investor owned utilities..
>
>they were publicly regulated corporations
>with their rates controlled by the state
>and they owned many of their generators
Most of the generation came from the three big investor owned
utilities.. They were never publicly owned nor government run.
>other generators had their rates regulated
...Actually, the regulation was in the end price to consumers.. it
still is... the actual operation of the plants is now mostly
determined by a non-profit entity.. The ISO is regulated by both
state and federal government.
>it was much closer to government run than privately run
<LOL> Bullshit! Regulated rates is a long way from publicly owned
plants
>> There was no mass privatization in 1998.. All three above are and
>> have always been investor owned utilities...
>
>they were required to divest their generators
A big difference from being privatized as the moron Jamieson claimed..
>the companies would remain as publicly regulated distributors
>but no longer generators
These plants have never been publicly owned, nor government run...
>instead they would be required to buy their power on auction
>once they completed divestment
>they could pass through generator charges to customers
>sdge had completed and so it was san diego customers that saw bills double
>pge hadnt completed and so it was bankrupted from generator charges
>
>the state could still regulate generators within california
Actually, they regulated consumer prices.
>to prevent price gouging
>but for out of state generators was dependent on the feds
>clinton agree to protect the state while the system was brought up
>
>then shrub was selected
>and since california had voted against him
>agreed to let out of state generators run unregulated
>generators invented power shortages to force excessive prices on auctions
Fact is that California's electric supply problems were/are the result
of the state's regulation board's preventing the construction of new
power plants and insisting that it be purchased/imported from other
companies..
>> Strange because there was no privatization....
>
>generators were
<LOL> Nope.. since they were never publicly owned they could never
be privatized..
>> perhaps it was Jamieson's drunkenness that got him confused...
>
>and youre either uninformed ill-informed or just stupid
>
Irony anyone?
There are 251 municipal gas and electric companies in the U.S. and 44 state
and federal agencies.
Like I said to Vallely... if I lose and not honor my bet, imagine how
much fun you could have following me around reminding me of it?
I think you know you will lose, same as Bill.
McSame is already trailing Obama... what is he going to do to reverse
it? Dabate? lol Good luck with that bubs...
Who did you vote for in 1980?? Sorry, I forgot, you can't vote.
> --
>
> What do you call a Republican with a conscience?
>
> An ex-Republican.
>
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>
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>
> Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001
>
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> I think you know you will lose, same as Bill.
>
> McSame is already trailing Obama... what is he going to do to reverse
> it? Dabate? lol Good luck with that bubs...
Obama now has to get back millions of Democrats that are looking at McCain
as a viable alternative.He's already lost the white American worker vote
that went for Hillary.
Then he has to try and draw independents with someting more than the words
'hope' and 'change' that worked on moonbats. Liberal Republicans will be
happy with McCain. Conservatives will vote for McCain because Obama is much
too liberal. Jews will vote for McCain to protect Israel. Christians will
vote for McCain because he's pro-life and not a Muslim.
But Obama can definitely count on all moonbats, most blacks, welfare
recipients, terrorists like Bill Ayers and terrorist sympathizers.
Obama needs to come up with a platform that's more than anti-Bush.
Obama is young, energetic, inexperienced, and manages to be a good talker
without substance.
He is a half-black Jimmy Carter.
No, he hasn't. Don't look now, but it isn't November yet.
>
> Then he has to try and draw independents with someting more than the
> words 'hope' and 'change' that worked on moonbats.
Hope and change are two things that ring true for most of the population
after almost 8 years of incompetence and corruption.
> Liberal
> Republicans will be happy with McCain.
Why would they be? He's identical to Bush.
> Conservatives will vote for
> McCain because Obama is much too liberal.
> Jews will vote for McCain
> to protect Israel.
90% of Jews always vote Democratic.
>Christians will vote for McCain because he's
> pro-life and not a Muslim.
Who's a Muslim?
>
> But Obama can definitely count on all moonbats, most blacks, welfare
> recipients, terrorists like Bill Ayers and terrorist sympathizers.
You have just asserted that almost half of the people in this country are
"moonbats, blacks, welfare receipients, terrorists, and terrorist
sympathizers. Is it any fucking wonder that nobody takes you seriously.
You have the analytical skills of a fence post.
>
> Obama needs to come up with a platform that's more than anti-Bush.
No, he doesn't.
>
> Obama is young, energetic, inexperienced, and manages to be a good
> talker without substance.
Again, you lack of analytical skills is evident.
>
> He is a half-black Jimmy Carter.
You are a fucking moron.
Except of course that anyone who's a real democrat will quickly get over
their Hillary thing and realize that Grampy McBush is NOT a viable
alternative to anything.
Your party is going down in flames. The head of the congressional RNC has
already told congressional GOP creatures that the party can't afford to give
them any help in the upcoming election.
Get ready for an overwhelming democratic victory and watching your party get
flushed down the shitter.
Clue. A lot of Americans will not vote for the Black Surrender Monkey.
Clue: more will vote for Obama than will vote for Goofy John.
Is not ready to elect the Black Surrender Monkey.
Maybe not, but it's ready to elect Barack Obama and certainly isn't going to
elect Bush in a Goofy John costume to a third term.
You must be in San Francisco; not America.