Obama Finds Legal Way around The 2nd Amendment
Devil's Advocate
Obama Finds Legal Way around The 2nd Amendment
Written by Dawn Marie Ziffer
Thursday, 19 November 2009 14:49
On Wednesday October 14 the Obama administration took its first major
step in a plan to ban all firearms in the United States. The Obama
administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all
weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties
with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control,
the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the
normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs
these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those
gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been
developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and
individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are
designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of
all firearms.
From the Reuters article:
U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday
and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms
sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said
gave every nation a veto.
The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State
Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's
administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that
national controls were better.
Full article is here:
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE59E0Q920091015
Fred B. Brown
"Devil's Advocate" <Devil'sAdv...@devils.xxx> wrote in message
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> http://www.2asisters.org/
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> Obama Finds Legal Way around The 2nd Amendment
> Written by Dawn Marie Ziffer
> Thursday, 19 November 2009 14:49
>
> On Wednesday October 14 the Obama administration took its first major
> step in a plan to ban all firearms in the United States. The Obama
> administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all
> weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties
> with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control,
> the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the
> normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs
> these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those
> gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been
> developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and
> individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are
> designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of
> all firearms.
Only the U.S. Senate has the power to sign treaties, not the President,
and no treaty can abridge Constituonal Rights. The U.N. has been trying
this for years.
None4U
"Fred B. Brown" <fredb...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> "Devil's Advocate" <Devil'sAdv...@devils.xxx> wrote in message
> news:w-udnYSLPZzmiIHW...@forethought.net...
>> http://www.2asisters.org/
>>
>> Obama Finds Legal Way around The 2nd Amendment
>> Written by Dawn Marie Ziffer
>> Thursday, 19 November 2009 14:49
>>
>> On Wednesday October 14 the Obama administration took its first major
>> step in a plan to ban all firearms in the United States. The Obama
>> administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all
>> weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties
>> with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control,
>> the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the
>> normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs
>> these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those
>> gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been
>> developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and
>> individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are
>> designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of
>> all firearms.
>
> Only the U.S. Senate has the power to sign treaties, not the President,
> and no treaty can abridge Constituonal Rights. The U.N. has been trying
> this for years.
>
Nope, this is true.You are wrong about Congress. He can do this and
thats his intent. Copenhagen is a gun control ploy. And we cant get out of
it unless all the poor countries let us out. Its another Democratic overide
the Constitution with international legislation.
Iarnrod
> "Fred B. Brown" <fredbbr...@nowhere.com> wrote in messagenews:4b1c2719$0$59783$bb4e...@newscene.com...
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> > "Devil's Advocate" <Devil'sAdvoc...@devils.xxx> wrote in message
Stay off drugs, kook. Your family won't be so embarrassed by you.
tenjets
> "Fred B. Brown" <fredbbr...@nowhere.com> wrote in messagenews:4b1c2719$0$59783$bb4e...@newscene.com...
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> > "Devil's Advocate" <Devil'sAdvoc...@devils.xxx> wrote in message
A gun nut's blog analysis. The only thing that can change the
constitution is to amend it.
None, you just think the worst of everything. A typical paranoid
conservative knee jerk reaction.
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Devil's Advocate
The Senate has to ratify it, right?
But isnt that a Democratically controlled rubber stamp for Obama?
None4U
"tenjets" <spameis...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Horseshit. You dipshit water pistol banners dont give a crap.
tenjets
> "tenjets" <spameister3...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Wrong. Just shut the fuck up, you stupid motherfucker.
Jamir Quay
You have so little of any substance to add to any discourse, ever.
Iarnrod
Why do you even bother, kkkook?
Read the moron's post. He's full of shit, like you. This is not about
making ownership of guns illegal. It's about limiting foreign imports
and exports. Shit, that ought to boost our home-grown American
firearms industry.
Stop sniffing glue, Jamit.
Padraigh ProAmerica
senators, facing re-election, would definite think twice before voting
for any such treaty.
2) Once a treaty is ratified, it becomes the supreme law ofthe land. If
there is a conflict between a treaty and the Constitution, the treaty
wins.
"You must be an intellectual to believe such nonsense. No ordinary man
could be such a fool."
George Orwell
Padraigh ProAmerica
"You must be an intellectual to believe such nonsense. No ordinary man
tankfixer
Devil'sAdv...@devils.xxx says...
One might think so..
But if that were true we would have a health care bill and carbon
credits already...
Fred B. Brown
"None4U" <nos...@nospam.none> wrote in message
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The president needs the consent of 2/3 of the Senate to sign a treaty.
"Article II Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution gives the president the power
"by and with the advice and consent of the Senate to make treaties, provided
two-thirds of the Senators present concur." Article VI states that the
Constitution and "the laws of the United States which shall be made in
pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the
authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land."
I doubt Obama could muster 60 Senators to vote to give away a constitutional
right.
This is why the UN efforts in this area have preciously failed.
And even if he did succeed, who is going to round up all the firearms? The
military?
Good luck there, he'll be lucky if there is not a military coup kicking his
butt out of
Washington.
Fred B. Brown
"Iarnrod" <iar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Stop sniffing glue, Jamit.
Actually, the treaty aims to limit production and sale of firearms
in the private sector too. While it won't prohibit private ownership
it will make purchasing firearms and ammunition more difficult for
civilians. It's a round about way of drying up the source.
Fred B. Brown
"tenjets" <spameis...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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No, the President could sign a treaty but he needs 2/3 of the Senate to
approve it.
Article II Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution gives the president the power
"by and with the advice and consent of the Senate to make treaties, provided
two-thirds of the Senators present concur." Article VI states that the
Constitution and "the laws of the United States which shall be made in
pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the
authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land."
None, you just think the worst of everything. A typical paranoid
conservative knee jerk reaction.
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Bert Hyman
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> "Fred B. Brown" <fredb...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>> Only the U.S. Senate has the power to sign treaties, not the
>> President, and no treaty can abridge Constituonal Rights. The U.N.
>> has been trying this for years.
>
> Nope, this is true.You are wrong about Congress.
You're both wrong.
The President can sign any damned thing he likes, but it has no force in
law unless ratified by the Senate.
And, no treaty or law can override the US Constitution.
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN be...@iphouse.com
Sid9
67 votes are needed to ratify a treaty.
Our military is loyal to the constitution as is Obama.
Only Usenet RRR loonies make threats against the president.
============================
Threats Against Obama Spiked Early
JEFF ZELENY and JIM RUTENBERG
Published: Sunday, December 6, 2009 at 6:30 a.m.
Last Modified: Sunday, December 6, 2009 at 5:17 a.m.
WASHINGTON - The young Marine's rogue mission, laid out with maps and
photographs, was as straightforward as it was chilling. He called it
Operation Patriot.
The Marine, Kody Brittingham, a 20-year-old lance corporal, wrote that
he had taken an oath to "protect against all enemies, both foreign and
domestic." In a signed "letter of intent," tucked away in his barracks
at Camp Lejeune, he identified a "domestic enemy" he planned to
eliminate last winter: President Obama.
The details of this threat, which were revealed at his arraignment
hearing in North Carolina, have not previously been reported. Mr.
Brittingham pleaded guilty in August and awaits sentencing on charges
of threatening to kill the president and attempted armed robbery.....
....
The agency has expanded its Internet Threat Desk, where online threats
are monitored and investigated. Ms. Napolitano goes to the White House
each month to review threats against Mr. Obama with Rahm Emanuel, the
president's chief of staff. At a time when the administration and
Congress are looking for ways to trim federal spending, the Secret
Service is often asked what more it needs.
A review of dozens of court records and police reports by The New York
Times uncovered an array of cases, most of which did not gain public
attention even as they rang alarm bells at some of the highest levels
of the government. Some involved suspects with a history of violence
or mental illness and easy access to guns and explosives, while others
involved men whose menacing talk was ultimately deemed to be just that
by the authorities.
An airport security guard in New Jersey, who had 43 guns and allegedly
hollow-point bullets at home, was charged with making threats against
a president after co-workers told the authorities that he had talked
about cutting a hole in a fence to shoot Mr. Obama on the day before
the president was to land at Newark International Airport.
The man, John Brek, spent 29 days in jail, which was counted as time
served on a lesser charge after the local authorities deemed that he
was not a threat. "He's a talker," said an Essex County prosecutor on
the case, Keith Harvest. (In an interview, Mr. Brek said he had only
pointed to the hole in the fence as a potential security breach.)
An Arizona pastor drew the attention of agents after he delivered a
sermon that included pleas for Mr. Obama's death at the very time he
and his family visited the state.
While cases involving heated political rhetoric are seldom prosecuted,
they are often investigated by the authorities, including the case of
a Republican candidate for governor in Idaho who made a hunting-season
joke about "Obama tags." "We'd buy some of those," he said.
The Secret Service also checked in with a Pennsylvania newspaper that
ran a classified advertisement placed by a customer, which declared:
"May Obama follow in the steps of Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley and
Kennedy," and with a Florida radio talk show host who bantered with an
anti-Obama listener, who allegedly discussed his frustration with Mr.
Obama by saying he was practicing his shooting skills.
"We don't have the luxury of saying, 'That's just a political
statement,' " said Edwin Donovan, a spokesman for the Secret Service.
"We don't know someone's intent until we go out and ask them about
it."
The couple that gained access to the state dinner, which led to three
agents being placed on administrative leave, is the only known example
of a misstep by the Secret Service in its handling of Mr. Obama's
security. But the White House acknowledged in its own investigation
that its staff members also could have done more to prevent the
breach.
Many of the reported threats against Mr. Obama bear a resemblance to
those against President George W. Bush, who in his last year in office
faced alleged threats from at least two men - one in Maine, the other
in Louisiana - who the authorities said were found to have possessed
weapons, records show.
Yet officials acknowledge in interviews that every president faces new
twists and that the nature of the reports can even vary between
political parties - though, as the first black president, Mr. Obama
draws many threats uniquely his own. He began receiving Secret Service
protection in May 2007, well before he emerged as the likely
Democratic nominee, because of threats against him. At the time, he
urged voters to "stop worrying" about his safety, fearful that it
could hurt his political chances.
In the later stages of the campaign, the authorities uncovered at
least two alleged race-inspired plots to assassinate Mr. Obama - one
during the Democratic convention in Denver that was ultimately deemed
not a "credible threat," another involving skinheads from Arkansas and
Tennessee.
They have tracked several potential threats since then, including from
a man in La Mesa, Calif., who allegedly posted two racially charged
missives against Mr. Obama on a Yahoo message board with the words "he
will have a 50 cal in the head soon."
While the big increase in threats against Mr. Obama took place in the
first four months of his presidency, officials say the depressed
economy has contributed to an increase in antigovernment sentiment,
which particularly alarmed federal officials over the summer.
"They are absolutely totally aware that the spike did occur, and they
are watching for any trends that would indicate it's going to spike
again," said W. Ralph Basham, a former director of the service who
keeps in contact with Mark Sullivan, the current director.
Making the job that much more difficult, Mr. Basham said, is that many
would-be assassins do not telegraph their intentions loudly enough to
tip off the Secret Service.
Indeed, records in the case of Mr. Brittingham - which prosecutors,
the Secret Service and defense lawyers would not discuss in detail -
indicate that agents would not have found out about his plot had he
not been arrested in connection with an attempted armed robbery in
December.
In the court appearance last August, when Mr. Brittingham pleaded
guilty, federal prosecutors said the Secret Service learned about the
assassination plot after his arrest, when Marine officials searched a
barracks at Camp Lejeune and discovered detailed maps of the Capitol
building and photographs of Mr. Obama along with his vital statistics.
One of the prosecutors, Eric Evenson, told the judge that a witness
reported that Mr. Brittingham had said, "We are the Marines fighting
Osama, we should do the same for Obama."
The documents found at the barracks indicated that Mr. Brittingham was
focusing on an attempt in Washington. But, had he not been arrested,
he would have conceivably had another opportunity, when Mr. Obama
visited Camp Lejeune in February.
Asked if extra precautions were taken for that visit given the
Brittingham case, Mr. Donovan, the Secret Service spokesman, said,
"There are no extra precautions to take, since we put forth the
maximum effort all the time."
Gray Ghost
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Jamir Quay
> Why do I even bother, kkkook?
I dunno, why do you, twat?
squirltop
wahhhh, HYSTERICAL HELPLESS FUCKING IDIOTS
Iarnrod
Because I was taught to be kind to dumb animals, and that makes me
Mother Theresa to you. <chuckle>
Jamir Quay
> On Dec 7, 10:46 am, Jamir Quay <s...@00.ter> wrote:
>> Iarnrod wrote:
>>> Why do I even bother, kkkook?
>> I dunno, why do you, twat?
>
> Because I
Shaddup.
Devil's Advocate
> The president needs the consent of 2/3 of the Senate to sign a
> treaty. "Article II Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution gives the
> president the power "by and with the advice and consent of the Senate
> to make treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senators present
> concur."
So they'll call in all the Democrats on a Saturday night and pass it with
those present!
tankfixer
says...
Which is why it would never engage in firearms confiscation...
No matter how much Obama stopped his feet...
None4U
"Iarnrod" <iar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Stop sniffing glue, Jamit.
The UN has the right to declare any region unstable and use UN troops to
confiscate all the guns in that region.
The US would legally and binded by treaty be required to remove all the guns
from all the US citizens posession.
I dont want to hear any BS about this would never happen , Or its not meant
for us. Its a writen fact.
It in writing and its a UN mandated loss of sovernity.
Its no different then any other plan the Dems , Or the UN. especially,
have tried for years to get our Constitution overthrown by international
treaty.
Stick your smartass remarks up your arse...
Iarnrod
> Iarnrod wrote:
> >> Iarnrod wrote:
> >>> Why do I even bother, kkkook?
> >> I dunno, why do you, twat?
>
> > Mother Theresa to you. <chuckle>
>
Yes, Jamit, you have!
Iarnrod
> The UN has the right to declare any region unstable and use UN troops to
> confiscate all the guns in that region.
No it doesn't.
> The US would legally and binded by treaty be required to remove all the guns
> from all the US citizens posession.
No it wouldn't, delusional kook.
> I dont want to hear any BS about this would never happen , Or its not meant
> for us. Its a writen fact.
It's a written fact that you are a delusional rightard moron.
> It in writing and its a UN mandated loss of sovernity.
No it isn't.
> Its no different then any other plan the Dems , Or the UN. especially,
> have tried for years to get our Constitution overthrown by international
> treaty.
Are you smoking extra strong crack tonight, NoBrains4Me?
> Stick your smartass remarks up your arse...
Nah, I like how they look up yours! <snicker>
Sid9
"tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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You are only projecting your behavior on others.
You stand up a "confiscation" strawman and then you shoot it down.
There is NO way 200,000,000 to 300,000,000 estimated firearms in the
hands of Americans can be "confiscated"
We can't find 22,000,000 illegal aliens...they're bigger and easier to
find...and we even have laws....
You gunnuts are paranoid.
Sleep well. Your protection is under your pillow.
tankfixer
says...
I would say you are the one projecting.
>
> You stand up a "confiscation" strawman and then you shoot it down.
Um, no, I didnt raise the issue.
But feel free to lie and claim I did.
> There is NO way 200,000,000 to 300,000,000 estimated firearms in the
> hands of Americans can be "confiscated"
>
> We can't find 22,000,000 illegal aliens...they're bigger and easier to
> find...and we even have laws....
>
> You gunnuts are paranoid.
The people who go nuts about private citizens have guns are paranoid..
>
> Sleep well. Your protection is under your pillow.
Projecting again ?
Jamir Quay
nothing.
Iarnrod
His ongoing fascination and lust for me, his owner.
Jamir Quay
nothing.
Iarnrod
His ongoing fascination and lust for me, his owner. He is PWNED.
Jamir Quay
Eh?
Iarnrod
Jamir Quay
>
Huh?
Iarnrod
Jamir Quay
Huh?
Iarnrod
Jamir Quay
nothing.
Iarnrod
Jamir Quay
Eh?
Iarnrod
Jamir Quay
Huh?
Iarnrod
Jamir Quay
?
Iarnrod
Juan
> <nothing>
You know, Jeff Casto of Plano Texas, it's farm animals like your wife
that cause global warming. LOL!
Jamir Quay
?
Jamir Quay
> On Dec 9, 4:51 pm, Jamir Quay <s...@00.ter> wrote:
>> <nothing>
>
> You know,
About your divorce?
Yes.
http://www.itpreport.com/upload/Juan_Jimenez_200x150.jpg
Sheesh, even a lowly Polack dumped your lard ass...
Iarnrod
Jamir Quay
Iarnrod
Iarnrod <s...@00.ter> wrote:
His ongoing fascination and lust for me, his owner. He is PWNED. He
cannot stop himself.
Jamir Quay
Iarnrod
Jamir Quay
Iarnrod
Iarnrod <s...@00.ter> wrote:
His ongoing fascination and lust for me, his owner. He is PWNED. He
cannot stop himself from continuing to post.
Jamir Quay
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Iarnrod
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nothing
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Jamir Quay
> On Dec 14, 8:40 pm, Jamit UpHisAss, the completely pwned puppy dog of
> Iarnrod <s...@00.ter> wrote:
>
> His ongoing fascination and lust for me,
Are you hard up for a boyfriend or something, twat?
Sheesh...
Bizarre...
Iarnrod
> I am hard up for a boyfriend.
Then get offline and hit the bars, Jamit. With a name like yours,
you're sure to find one.
Jamir Quay
> On Dec 14, 10:04 pm, Jamit UpHisAss <s...@00.ter> wrote:
>
No, I will not date you, go away, quit stalking me.
Iarnrod
Jamir Quay
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> I am hard up for a boyfriend.
tough.
Iarnrod
> I am hard up for a boyfriend.
Then get offline and hit the bars, Jamit. With a name like yours,
Jamir Quay
>
> I am hard up for a boyfriend.
too bad.
Iarnrod
> I am hard up for a boyfriend.
Then get offline and hit the bars, Jamit. With a name like yours,
Jamir Quay
> I am hard up for a boyfriend.
too bad.
Iarnrod
> I am hard up for a boyfriend.
Then get offline and hit the bars, Jamit. With a name like yours,
Jamir Quay
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