OH..NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Another Obama Screwup.......He is simply out of touch with the people of this nation.....Holder Announces Plan to Send Alleged Sept. 11 Terrorists to New York Court
US Army Veteran
Mainstream America. He does not have a feel for how natural born Americans
feel.
Attorney General Eric Holder announced Friday that Khalid Sheik Mohammed and
the four others accused of orchestrating the attacks that killed 2,973
people on Sept. 11, 2001, will now be tried in a courtroom down the street
from the where the twin towers fell.
from:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/13/self-proclaimed-sept-mastermind-face-trial-ny/
Iarnrod
> This decision announced today is proving that Obama is out of touch with
> Mainstream America. He does not have a feel for how natural born Americans
> feel.
WTF are you talking about, kookshit? Didn't you know about the 9/11
attacks? They happened in NY. There is no better place for the trial
than wher it happened.
THANK YOU, PRESIDENT OBAMA, for bringing the terrorists' asses to the
bar of justice, unlike AWOL Bush and 5-Deferment Cheeeeeney.
> Attorney General Eric Holder announced Friday that Khalid Sheik Mohammed and
> the four others accused of orchestrating the attacks that killed 2,973
> people on Sept. 11, 2001, will now be tried in a courtroom down the street
> from the where the twin towers fell.
> from:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/13/self-proclaimed-sept-maste...
EXCELLENT NEWS!!! THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT!
YankFan
I like Military justice. Do they still have the firing squad? If they
are found guilty, are they going to get life instead of a firing
squad-...death?
gram
news:WY2dnZ-kLfmdbmDX...@giganews.com:
Hes NOT an American. It shows every day & every night!
He does NOT poses American values. Hes born,raised and schooled Muslim, hes
black. 95% blacks are deep rooted Muslims. Just one ounce of black doesnt
just make you full core black but also full core Muslim, period.
Kenya, Somalia, Africa = M U S L I M
American values and traditional Muslim values will not and can not coexist
in the same space, you will have chaos.
Benjamin Franklin:
"A man wrapped up in himself makes a very small bundle."
bvallely
> On Nov 13, 4:59 pm, "US Army Veteran" <inva...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
> > This decision announced today is proving that Obama is out of touch with
> > Mainstream America. He does not have a feel for how natural born Americans
> > feel.
>
> WTF are you talking about, kookshit? Didn't you know about the 9/11
> attacks? They happened in NY. There is no better place for the trial
> than wher it happened.
The first thing any third year law student would say is "your honor,
it's impossible for my defendant to have a fair trial in this city.
He's far too famous and hated. I call for a change in venue."
The SECOND thing any third year law student would say is "your honor,
it's impossible for my defendant to have a fair trial in this
country. He's far too famous and hated. I call for a dismissal."
I'm not sure on what grounds the judge would deny the dismissal.
Even if the trial were to happen, there's no place for it to go but an
attack on George W. Bush and the Iraq War. It's also possible that he
could win, and be let free. Yes, the most liberal 13% of the country
would have a Viagra four hour boner, but it convince future terrorists
that the country is weak, and invite dozens more Fort Hood style
attacks.
The Obama administration, trading American lives for short term
political gain.
Iarnrod
> On Nov 13, 4:15 pm, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On Nov 13, 4:59 pm, "US Army Veteran" <inva...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
> > > This decision announced today is proving that Obama is out of touch with
> > > Mainstream America. He does not have a feel for how natural born Americans
> > > feel.
>
> > WTF are you talking about, kookshit? Didn't you know about the 9/11
> > attacks? They happened in NY. There is no better place for the trial
> > than wher it happened.
>
> .
> The first thing any third year law student would say is "your honor,
> it's impossible for my defendant to have a fair trial in this city.
> He's far too famous and hated. I call for a change in venue."
Motion denied.
Immaterial anyway. It is better that this is handled in criminal
courts, as Clinton did with effectiveness before AWOL screwed the
pooch by invading countries. If it is COV'd to Kansas City, so what.
> The SECOND thing any third year law student would say is "your honor,
> it's impossible for my defendant to have a fair trial in this
> country. He's far too famous and hated. I call for a dismissal."
Motion denied.
> I'm not sure on what grounds the judge would deny the dismissal.
So you're stupid?
It is, of course, a cinch to get a fair trial. Terry Nichols, an OKC
bombing conspirator, was tried in Oklahoma state court after his
federal conviction in a COV court in Denver. The jury spared his life.
You make kicking your ass w-a-a-ay too easy.
> Even if the trial were to happen,
Which it will... Ramzi Yousef was convicted in NYC in the 1993 WTC
bombing.
> there's no place for it to go but an
> attack on George W. Bush and the Iraq War.
Irrelevant, inadmissible, move on.
You are unfamiliar with how courts work.
> It's also possible that he
> could win, and be let free. Yes, the most liberal 13% of the country
> would have a Viagra four hour boner, but it convince future terrorists
> that the country is weak, and invite dozens more Fort Hood style
> attacks.
So you morons actually believe your own talking points? Too funny,
dope.
> The Obama administration, trading American lives for short term
> political gain.
The Obama administration, oh so much smarter and capable and following
the law than the AWOL administration.
You collection of pathetic losers really seethe that someone
intelligent is now in charge. It's funny to watch you foam.
Iarnrod
> "US Army Veteran" <inva...@invalid.com> wrote innews:WY2dnZ-kLfmdbmDX...@giganews.com:
Get off drugs, kook.
Buerste
"Iarnrod" <iar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6fda9d88-7c66-4fdc...@w19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
Motion denied.
Motion denied.
So you're stupid?
Irrelevant, inadmissible, move on.
*********************************************************
He's so intelligent that unemployment is over 10%, the deficit has trippled
and Obammycare is not wanted by more than half the country? Yep, purty
smart!
Iarnrod
> "Iarnrod" <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> The Obama administration, oh so much smarter and capable and following
> the law than the AWOL administration.
>
> You collection of pathetic losers really seethe that someone
> intelligent is now in charge. It's funny to watch you foam.
> *********************************************************
> He's so intelligent that unemployment is over 10%, the deficit has trippled
> and Obammycare is not wanted by more than half the country? Yep, purty
> smart!
Are you terminally stupid?
We are in the throes of the Bush GOP Recesssion. We never called Obama
the Messiah, YOU kooks did; do you expect he can clean up ALL your
messes in nine months? Get a clue -- you and your ilk fucked up
monumentally and it's gonna take maybe all of Obama's two terms to
right this ship.
Oh, and the majority of America WANTS health care reform WITH public
option. Apparently you thing the staged astroturf manufactured outrage
at town hall meetings was genuine.
Yer a luzer. And learn how to post correctly too, bonehead.
bvallely
> > > > with
> > > > Mainstream America. He does not have a feel for how natural born
> > > > Americans
> > > > feel.
.
> > > WTF are you talking about, kookshit? Didn't you know about the 9/11
> > > attacks? They happened in NY. There is no better place for the trial
> > > than wher it happened.
.
> > The first thing any third year law student would say is "your honor,
> > it's impossible for my defendant to have a fair trial in this city.
> > He's far too famous and hated. I call for a change in venue."
> Motion denied.
.
On what grounds? The terrorists would absolutely have a point. "Your
honor, if these men were American gangsters, or serial murderers, or
drug dealers who killed millions by selling narcotics to children, you
wouldn't think twice about ordering a change of venue. But because
the defendants are Muslim who have done nothing but follow the orders
of Islam, suddenly the laws by which you pretend to have sworn
alliance simply no longer apply?"
And then there's the process of discovery,
> Immaterial anyway. It is better that this is handled in criminal
> courts, as Clinton did with effectiveness before AWOL screwed the
> pooch by invading countries. If it is COV'd to Kansas City, so what.
.
Yeah, about that.
When Clinton decides that terrorists were no worse than a drunk guy
who breaks into a 7/11 through the roof top, America suffered
terrorist attack after terrorist attack. After 9/11, when Bush
started throwing their sorry asses in Gitmo, Islamic terrorist attacks
on America were reduced to zero. Nada. Zip. Bupkis. Within months
of Obama announcing that he's going back to the criminal system. we
has an US Army base shot up.
.
> > The SECOND thing any third year law student would say is "your honor,
> > it's impossible for my defendant to have a fair trial in this
> > country. He's far too famous and hated. I call for a dismissal."
.
> Motion denied.
.
Again, why? Because New York judges are such hard noses? A dismal is
VERY possible.
.
> > I'm not sure on what grounds the judge would deny the dismissal.
.
> So you're stupid?
.
I'm smart enough to notice that you didn't mention why the judge
couldn't and wouldn't order a change in venue.
.
> It is, of course, a cinch to get a fair trial. Terry Nichols, an OKC
> bombing conspirator, was tried in Oklahoma state court after his
> federal conviction in a COV court in Denver. The jury spared his life.
.
"Terry Nichols, your honor? This is hardly the same situation as my
client, who has, for the better part of a decade, been painted as a
monster by such corrupt right wing organizations as FOX News and Rush
Limbaugh. I doubt that one Oklahoman in a hundred ever even heard the
name Terry Nichols, much less had any strong emotional feelings for
the man. Of course, unlike my client, Mr. Nichols never had a
confession beaten out of him, or evidence illegally stolen. And there
is no question that American is a deeply racist nation which openly
loathes Muslims - which is proven by any casual listening to FOX News
and Glenn Beck. Again, you honor, it's impossible for my client to
receive a fair trial, so I demand all charges be dismissed."
.
> You make kicking your ass w-a-a-ay too easy.
.
If that were the case, why is it that I keep knocking your fat
softballs out of the park?
.
> > Even if the trial were to happen,
.
> Which it will... Ramzi Yousef was convicted in NYC in the 1993 WTC
> bombing.
.
The current Attorney General Eric Holder recently reversed the
conviction of two Black Panthers who threatened old people with clubs
when they tried to vote.
.
> > there's no place for it to go but an
> > attack on George W. Bush and the Iraq War.
.
> Irrelevant, inadmissible, move on.
.
No, it's not. The Obama administration has endangered American lives
for no other reason to get a few last licks on George Bush.
.
> You are unfamiliar with how courts work.
.
As it turns out, I worked as a Head Clerk for the State Bar of
California for three years - I have a VERY strong knowledge of the
legal system.
.
> > It's also possible that he
> > could win, and be let free. Yes, the most liberal 13% of the country
> > would have a Viagra four hour boner, but it convince future terrorists
> > that the country is weak, and invite dozens more Fort Hood style
> > attacks.
.
> So you morons actually believe your own talking points?>
.
It tends to happen when one's talking points are true.
.
> > The Obama administration, trading American lives for short term
> > political gain.
.
> The Obama administration, oh so much smarter and capable and following
> the law than the AWOL administration.
.
And yet months after Obama changed the rules, attacks on US soil begin
again.
.
> You collection of pathetic losers really seethe that someone
> intelligent is now in charge. It's funny to watch you foam.
.
In and of itself, intelligence is no more a virtue than beauty, the
ability to throw a football or being able to start a campfire with one
match. A measure of a man is what he does with his gifts, and so far,
Barak Obama has been a dismal failure.
365 Electoral Vote LANDSLIDE for Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!
> from:http://www.foxnews.com
'nuff said.
---
Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate is REAL!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB1opCUt4zk
"Crazy Eileen" waves around its birth certificate "issued by the
United States of America."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILmqq_4QyhI
"Lizzie the Lezzie" supports the birthers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOkl3FZDCvs
Birthers Continue Idiotic Attacks Against Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVaRdEMlpqk
Birthers' Kenyan birth certificate is an amateurish forgery.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo1XKf0a1po
Queen of the birthers Soviet Socialist Republican Orly Taitz can't get
its facts straight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwZx-LRYXUU
Queen of the birthers Soviet Socialist Republican Orly Taitz isn't
even an American itself. It
was born in what was then referred to as the United Soviet Socialist
Republic!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1rYWejLcn4
Queen of the birthers Soviet Socialist Republican Orly Taitz gets
schooled in grade school civics by Judge Clay Land.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMJs1FtPnvU
Queen of the birthers Soviet Socialist Republican Orly Taitz called
"reprehensible and unprofessional" by its own "client."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxbX5pF2FqI
Queen of the birthers Soviet Socialist Republican Orly Taitz in its
own words.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_7k1FDBMBE&feature=related
Queen of the birthers Soviet Socialist Republican Orly Taitz gets
penalized $20,000.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3xZOpcQY8A
Queen of the birthers Soviet Socialist Republican Orly Taitz gets its
lying little commie ass bitch slapped in court AGAIN!
http://washingtonindependent.com/65703/orly-taitz-smacked-down-birther-lawsuit-dismissed
Queen of the birthers Soviet Socialist Republican Orly Taitz caught in
affair with fellow birther lunatic Charles Lincoln
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRpL6ABEveM
Gerald Newton (gne...@acalaska.net) "born in Kenya."
http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com/584b73a4ac0b7fbf5fbc1e86189d1861.jpg
Where to find princess of the birthers Soviet Socialist Republican
Gerald Newton.
http://www.google.com/search?q=gerald+newton+alaska&hl=en&pb=r&ei=RFTjSvaPKJCwlAfMo9SKBw&sa=X&oi=rwp&ct=title&ved=0CA8Q_wI
You KKKrooKKKed lying repugnigoons need to practice birther control.
bvallely
> On Nov 13, 11:11 pm, "Buerste" <buer...@wowway.com> wrote:
>
> > "Iarnrod" <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > The Obama administration, oh so much smarter and capable and following
> > the law than the AWOL administration.
>
> > You collection of pathetic losers really seethe that someone
> > intelligent is now in charge. It's funny to watch you foam.
> > *********************************************************
> > He's so intelligent that unemployment is over 10%, the deficit has trippled
> > and Obammycare is not wanted by more than half the country? Yep, purty
> > smart!
>
> Are you terminally stupid?
>
> We are in the throes of the Bush GOP Recesssion.>
When the Democrats took over both houses in 2006, unemployment was
4.6%. After less that three years of the Democrats controlling five
of the six Executive/Legislative branches, unemployment has
skyrocketed to 10.2%.
The last all Republic Budget was the fiscal year 2007 budget. That
means it was passed by a Republican Congress And Signed by a
Republican President. The deficit that year was 160 Billion dollars.
Now the 100% Democrat OCTOBER budget deficit is 10% larger than what
it took all year to accumulate in FY 2007.
.
> We never called Obama the Messiah, >
.
"I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the
world, he’s sort of God."
Evan Thomas
Newsweek Editor
"Why Barack Obama represents American Catholics better than the pope
does." (BTW, note that the word "Pope" was spelled with a small "P".)
Kathleen Kennedy Townsend
Newsweek Editor
"Many even see in Obama a messiah-like figure, a great soul, and some
affectionately call him Mahatma Obama."
Dinesh Sharma
"We just like to say his name. We are considering taking it as a
mantra."
Chicago Sun-Times
""It's going to be before Obama, 'B.B.,' and after Obama—'A.B.'"
Spike Lee
“I cried all night. I’m going to be crying for the next four years,”
he said. “What Barack Obama has accomplished is the single most
extraordinary event that has occurred in the 232 years of the nation’s
political history. ... The event itself is so extraordinary that
another chapter could be added to the Bible to chronicle its
significance.”
Jesse Jackson, Jr.
"Does it not feel as if some special hand is guiding Obama on his
journey, I mean, as he has said, the utter improbability of it all?"
Daily Kos
"He communicates God-like energy..."
teve Davis (Charleston, SC)
"Not just an ordinary human being but indeed an Advanced Soul"
Commentator Chicago Sun Times
"I'll do whatever he says to do. I'll collect paper cups off the
ground to make his pathway clear."
Halle Berry
"Obama was working for a group of churches that were concerned about
their parishioners,... It was, dare I say it, the Lord’s work–the sort
of mission Jesus preached'
Joe Klien
Time Magazine
Oh, Bama
Hey, Bama.
BamaBama oh.
Bama Hey, Bama
Ho Bama.
Hey BO, BO
Where did all my money go?
Bama Ho
Bama Hey,
Supertard.
.
<YOU kooks did; >
.
We most certainly do not consider Obama the Messiah.
.
>do you expect he can clean up ALL your
> messes in nine months? Get a clue -- you and your ilk fucked up
> monumentally and it's gonna take maybe all of Obama's two terms to
> right this ship.
.
When the Democrats took over both houses in 2006, unemployment was
4.6%. After less that three years of the Democrats controlling five
of the six Executive/Legislative branches, unemployment has
skyrocketed to 10.2%.
The last all Republic Budget was the fiscal year 2007 budget. That
means it was passed by a Republican Congress And Signed by a
Republican President. The deficit that year was 160 Billion dollars.
Now the 100% Democrat OCTOBER budget deficit is 10% larger than what
it took all year to accumulate in FY 2007.
.
> Oh, and the majority of America WANTS health care reform WITH public
> option. >
.
Gallup: Most Americans Oppose Government Health Care
November 13, 2009 by
The debate over health care reform seems to have had a curious effect
on peoples' attitude toward government health care. Gallup has found
that a majority now does not agree that it is a government
responsibility to provide health care coverage.
The Gallup Poll found that 50 percent disagreed that the government
should cover people while 47 percent agreed. This represents a
remarkable shift in attitude among the American people. As recently as
2007, 69 percent of the American people believed that the government
should provide
Polls Suggest GOP Candidates May Benefit from Health Care Debate
Posted by Stephanie Condon
(AP)
Republicans may be able to use the current health care debate to their
advantage in upcoming elections, some polls suggest.
Two Quinnipiac polls released Thursday show Republican Senate
candidates in Connecticut and Ohio gaining ground as voters in those
states show increasing dissatisfaction with Democrats' health care
reform effort.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/13/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5635951.shtml
Iarnrod
> > > > > This decision announced today is proving that Obama is out of touch
> > > > > with
> > > > > Mainstream America. He does not have a feel for how natural born
> > > > > Americans
> > > > > feel.
> .
> > > > WTF are you talking about, kookshit? Didn't you know about the 9/11
> > > > attacks? They happened in NY. There is no better place for the trial
> > > > than wher it happened.
> .
> > > The first thing any third year law student would say is "your honor,
> > > it's impossible for my defendant to have a fair trial in this city.
> > > He's far too famous and hated. I call for a change in venue."
> .
> > Motion denied.
>
> .
> On what grounds?
He can get a fair trial.
> The terrorists would absolutely have a point. "Your
> honor, if these men were American gangsters, or serial murderers, or
> drug dealers who killed millions by selling narcotics to children, you
> wouldn't think twice about ordering a change of venue.
Bzzzzztttt! Wrong. Puh-lenty of such trials have taken place in the
districts where they occurred. You’re getting desperate, kook; you’re
grasping at straws that don’t even exist.
> But because
> the defendants are Muslim who have done nothing but follow the orders
> of Islam, suddenly the laws by which you pretend to have sworn
> alliance simply no longer apply?"
Motion denied. Proceed to trial.
Ramzi Yousef was tried and convicted in NYC, same courthouse.
> And then there's the process of discovery,
So what.
> > Immaterial anyway. It is better that this is handled in criminal
> > courts, as Clinton did with effectiveness before AWOL screwed the
> > pooch by invading countries. If it is COV'd to Kansas City, so what.
>
> .
> Yeah, about that.
>
> When Clinton decides that terrorists were no worse than a drunk guy
> who breaks into a 7/11 through the roof top, America suffered
> terrorist attack after terrorist attack.
Wrong. They ended. Clinton solved it. Al Qaeda did not attack our
homeland again until AWOL took office and shitcanned the intel and
went off to pretend to be cutting brush in Crawford.
> After 9/11,
Pssssst, earth to kook: 9/11 HAPPENED ON BUSH’S WATCH. They didn’t
dare do it when Clinton was in charge.
> when Bush
> started throwing their sorry asses in Gitmo, Islamic terrorist attacks
> on America were reduced to zero. Nada. Zip. Bupkis.
Our interests were attacked around the world, more than under
Clionton, because AWOL was giving al Qaeda exactly what they wanted –
a war with the infidels. AWOL played right into UBL’s hands. Now he’s
got TENS OF THOUSANDS more followers than if we had sent in teams to
assassinate him or if we had grabbed his ass and hauled him back for
trial. He’da been a big NOTHING if that had happened.
You don’t get it. UBL isn’t afraid of Bush and his war… UBL WANTS the
war. AWOL gave it to him.
> Within months
> of Obama announcing that he's going back to the criminal system. we
> has an US Army base shot up.
Are you on drugs? Hasan flipped his lid. Fort Hood was not terrorism,
it was going postal.
You are so full of shit! Grasping at straws.
> .> > The SECOND thing any third year law student would say is "your honor,
> > > it's impossible for my defendant to have a fair trial in this
> > > country. He's far too famous and hated. I call for a dismissal."
> .
> > Motion denied.
>
> .
> Again, why?
No grounds.
> Because New York judges are such hard noses? A dismal is
> VERY possible.
It is in fact impossible. There are no grounds to dismiss a case
against a person because his crime has made him famous.
You’re a dope.
> .> > I'm not sure on what grounds the judge would deny the dismissal.
> .
> > So you're stupid?
>
> .
> I'm smart enough to notice that you didn't mention why the judge
> couldn't and wouldn't order a change in venue.
No grounds.
> .> It is, of course, a cinch to get a fair trial. Terry Nichols, an OKC
> > bombing conspirator, was tried in Oklahoma state court after his
> > federal conviction in a COV court in Denver. The jury spared his life.
>
> .
> "Terry Nichols, your honor? This is hardly the same situation as my
> client, who has, for the better part of a decade, been painted as a
> monster by such corrupt right wing organizations as FOX News and Rush
> Limbaugh.
Ity is, of course, not even in dispute. Go to OKC and try to organize
a Terry Nichols Pen Pal Club, see what happens. He was put on trial in
Oklahoma state court.
> I doubt that one Oklahoman in a hundred ever even heard the
> name Terry Nichols, much less had any strong emotional feelings for
> the man.
Wow, you are extremely disconnected from reality. Oklahomans wanted to
lynch him. I suggest you get a brain before trying to post on this
again.
> Of course, unlike my client, Mr. Nichols never had a
> confession beaten out of him, or evidence illegally stolen.
You bring up the very reason Obama is bringing KSM into federal court.
The torture will be off limits. Defense won’t be able to bring it up.
DOJ is not relying on any information gleaned from the pointless
torture of KSM. Once again Obama is riding to Bush’s rescue by
cleaning up his messes.
> And there
> is no question that American is a deeply racist nation which openly
> loathes Muslims - which is proven by any casual listening to FOX News
> and Glenn Beck. Again, you honor, it's impossible for my client to
> receive a fair trial, so I demand all charges be dismissed."
Denied. Proceed to trial.
> .> You make kicking your ass w-a-a-ay too easy.
>
> .
> If that were the case, why is it that I keep knocking your fat
> softballs out of the park?
You whiffed, bat boy. Back to the minors with you.
> .> > Even if the trial were to happen,
> .
> > Which it will... Ramzi Yousef was convicted in NYC in the 1993 WTC
> > bombing.
>
> .
> The current Attorney General Eric Holder recently reversed the
> conviction of two Black Panthers who threatened old people with clubs
> when they tried to vote.
That’s a lie of course. Blatant lie. That’s all you and your ilk have
is lies. Please keep doing this because this ensures voters will keep
kicking your stupid lying asses out.
> .> > there's no place for it to go but an
> > > attack on George W. Bush and the Iraq War.
> .
> > Irrelevant, inadmissible, move on.
>
> .
> No, it's not.
It is, of course. Bush and the Iraq War are completely irrelevant to
9/11. Obama campaigned on this. No one draws a connection. You’re
busted.
> The Obama administration has endangered American lives
> for no other reason to get a few last licks on George Bush.
Tighten your tinfoil haberdashery, kooktoid.
> .> You are unfamiliar with how courts work.
>
> .
> As it turns out, I worked as a Head Clerk for the State Bar of
> California for three years - I have a VERY strong knowledge of the
> legal system.
No you don’t. You have shown you know nothing at all about it. You’re
another usenet liar.
> .> > It's also possible that he
> > > could win, and be let free. Yes, the most liberal 13% of the country
> > > would have a Viagra four hour boner, but it convince future terrorists
> > > that the country is weak, and invite dozens more Fort Hood style
> > > attacks.
> .
> > So you morons actually believe your own talking points?>
>
> .
> It tends to happen when one's talking points are true.
But yours aren’t.
> .> > The Obama administration, trading American lives for short term
> > > political gain.
> .
> > The Obama administration, oh so much smarter and capable and following
> > the law than the AWOL administration.
>
> .
> And yet months after Obama changed the rules, attacks on US soil begin
> again.
Where? When? Did I miss something?
> .> You collection of pathetic losers really seethe that someone
> > intelligent is now in charge. It's funny to watch you foam.
>
> .
> In and of itself, intelligence is no more a virtue than beauty, the
> ability to throw a football or being able to start a campfire with one
> match. A measure of a man is what he does with his gifts, and so far,
> Barak Obama has been a dismal failure.
BWAHAHAHAAAAHAHAAA!!! He is rescuing the nation from the dismal
failure of the AWOL administration. Tough task but he’s off to a great
start. It may take him all two terms before Hillary takes over.
bvallely
> > > > The first thing any third year law student would say is "your honor,
> > > > it's impossible for my defendant to have a fair trial in this city.
> > > > He's far too famous and hated. I call for a change in venue."
.
> > > Motion denied.
.
> > On what grounds?
> He can get a fair trial.
When the whole city hates him? How?
.
> > The terrorists would absolutely have a point. "Your
> > honor, if these men were American gangsters, or serial murderers, or
> > drug dealers who killed millions by selling narcotics to children, you
> > wouldn't think twice about ordering a change of venue.
.
> Bzzzzztttt! Wrong. Puh-lenty of such trials have taken place in the
> districts where they occurred.
Sure, there was Timothey McVeigh - oh wait, he got his case
transferred from Oklahoma City to the U.S. District Court in Denver,
Colorado presided over by U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch.
Howzabot Virginia of Beltway sniper attacks defendants Lee Boyd Malvo
and John Allen Muhammad? Nope, their trial was moved more than 100
miles distant in Chesapeake and Virginia Beach in the far southeastern
edge of Virginia.
The four Los Angeles police officers (LAPD) in the Rodney King
incident? And then there's Amadou Diallo murder case in which the
NYPD defendants' trial was moved to Albany.
.
> > But because the defendants are Muslim who have done nothing but follow the orders of Islam, suddenly the laws by which you pretend to have sworn alliance simply no longer apply?"
.
> Motion denied. Proceed to trial.
.
Yeah, here's the problem. You're not really a judge. Someone else
makes that decision, and he'll have to explain why a NYPD cop was
given this cutesy, but KSM wasn't.
.
> > And then there's the process of discovery,
.
> So what.
.
So this information will provide a treasure trove of intelligence for
Al-Quada. That means more Americans at risk.
.
> > > Immaterial anyway. It is better that this is handled in criminal
> > > courts, as Clinton did with effectiveness before AWOL screwed the
> > > pooch by invading countries. If it is COV'd to Kansas City, so what.
.
> > Yeah, about that.
.
> > When Clinton decides that terrorists were no worse than a drunk guy
> > who breaks into a 7/11 through the roof top, America suffered
> > terrorist attack after terrorist attack.
.
> Wrong. They ended. Clinton solved it.>
.
1993
Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World
Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995,
militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted
of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have
been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda
involvement is suspected.
1995
April 19, Oklahoma City: car bomb exploded outside federal office
building, collapsing wall and floors. 168 people were killed,
including 19 children and 1 person who died in rescue effort. Over 220
buildings sustained damage. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols later
convicted in the antigovernment plot to avenge the Branch Davidian
standoff in Waco, Tex., exactly 2 years earlier. (See Miscellaneous
Disasters.)
Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military
headquarters, killing 5 U.S. military servicemen.
1996
June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar
Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring
hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of
Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to
the attack in June 2001.
1998
Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs
exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213
in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. 4 men connected
with al-Qaeda 2 of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside
Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later
sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men
in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin
Laden, who remained at large.
2000
Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged
when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17
sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda
terrorist network.
> > After 9/11,
.
> Pssssst, earth to kook: 9/11 HAPPENED ON BUSH’S WATCH. >
.
Pssssst - at the time, Bush was following Clinton's blueprint - to
treat terrorists like criminals. When Bush started treating
terrorists like, well, terrorists, the killing stopped. Now that
Obama is treating terrorists like criminals, we suddenly have Army
bases shot.
.
>....They didn’t dare do it when Clinton was in charge.
.
1993
Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World
Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995,
militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted
of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have
been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda
involvement is suspected.
1995
April 19, Oklahoma City: car bomb exploded outside federal office
building, collapsing wall and floors. 168 people were killed,
including 19 children and 1 person who died in rescue effort. Over 220
buildings sustained damage. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols later
convicted in the antigovernment plot to avenge the Branch Davidian
standoff in Waco, Tex., exactly 2 years earlier. (See Miscellaneous
Disasters.)
Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military
headquarters, killing 5 U.S. military servicemen.
1996
June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar
Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring
hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of
Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to
the attack in June 2001.
1998
Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs
exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213
in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. 4 men connected
with al-Qaeda 2 of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside
Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later
sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men
in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin
Laden, who remained at large.
2000
Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged
when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17
sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda
terrorist network.
.
> > when Bush
> > started throwing their sorry asses in Gitmo, Islamic terrorist attacks
> > on America were reduced to zero. Nada. Zip. Bupkis.
.
> Our interests were attacked around the world, more than under
> Clionton, because AWOL
.
At a time of life when President Bush severed his county honorably in
the National Guard, Obama squandered his youth by being constantly
drunk, high, and whenever possible, wackef out of his head on cocaine.
.
was giving al Qaeda exactly what they wanted –
.
> a war with the infidels.>
.
And yet, the bulk of attacks came on Clinton's watch. They've
restarted with a vengeance after Obama took office.
.
> AWOL...>
.
At a time of life when President Bush severed his county honorably in
the National Guard, Obama squandered his youth by being constantly
drunk, high, and whenever possible, wackef out of his head on cocaine.
.
>.... played right into UBL’s hands. Now he’s
> got TENS OF THOUSANDS more followers than if we had sent in teams to
> assassinate him or if we had grabbed his ass and hauled him back for
> trial. He’da been a big NOTHING if that had happened.
.
So, the best response to terrorism is to do nothing, and hope we don't
hurt their feelings? That's EXACTLY the attitude that allowed the
Fort Hood slaughter to happen.
.
> You don’t get it. UBL isn’t afraid of Bush and his war… UBL WANTS the
> war. AWOL gave it to him.
.
You don't get it. UBL isn't a peaceable fellow who just wants
respect. He wants to destroy Western Civilization. Period. He isn't
swayed by kind behavior - he's openly contempous of it.
""The American government is leading the country towards hell. ... We
say to the Americans as people and to American mothers, if they
cherish their lives and if they cherish their sons, they must elect an
American patriotic government that caters to their interests not the
interests of the Jews. If the present injustice continues with the
wave of national consciousness, it will inevitably move the battle to
American soil, just as Ramzi Yousef and others have done."
Bin Laden
.
> > Within months
> > of Obama announcing that he's going back to the criminal system. we
> > has an US Army base shot up.
.
> Are you on drugs? Hasan flipped his lid. Fort Hood was not terrorism,
> it was going postal.
.
He did nothing of the sort. Your buddy was openly contemptuous of
America for, well, his entire life. He made no bones about his
sympathy for the terrorists. Everything was very well planned. It
was a terrorist attack.
.
> > .> > The SECOND thing any third year law student would say is "your honor,
> > > > it's impossible for my defendant to have a fair trial in this
> > > > country. He's far too famous and hated. I call for a dismissal."
.
> > > Motion denied.
.
> > Again, why?
.
> No grounds.
.
Timothey McVeigh, Lee Boyd Malvo, John Allen Muhammad, the four Los
Angeles police officers (LAPD) in the Rodney King incident and Amadou
Diallo murder case defendents say otherwise.
.
> > Because New York judges are such hard noses? A dismal is
> > VERY possible.
.
> It is in fact impossible. There are no grounds to dismiss a case
> against a person because his crime has made him famous.
.
Why do you think that Timothey McVeigh was constantly referred to as
the ALLEGED bomber? Because if he was called a bomber, his lawyers
would immediately demand a dismissal. This almost happened during the
Charlie Manson trail, when Richard Nixon accidentally called Chuck a
murderer. While in the witness box, unknown to his lawyer, Manson
flashed a newspaper headline to the jury. Even though Manson
introduced in information, the case was very close to being
dismissed. The judge was forced to take each juror into him private
chambers, and was personally assured that the headline didn't
influence their opinion of the case.
> > .> > I'm not sure on what grounds the judge would deny the dismissal.
.
> > > So you're stupid?
> > I'm smart enough to notice that you didn't mention why the judge
> > couldn't and wouldn't order a change in venue.
.
> No grounds.
.
Timothey McVeigh, Lee Boyd Malvo, John Allen Muhammad, the four Los
Angeles police officers (LAPD) in the Rodney King incident and Amadou
Diallo murder case defendents say otherwise.
.
> > .> It is, of course, a cinch to get a fair trial. Terry Nichols, an OKC
> > > bombing conspirator, was tried in Oklahoma state court after his
> > > federal conviction in a COV court in Denver. The jury spared his life.
.
> > "Terry Nichols, your honor? This is hardly the same situation as my
> > client, who has, for the better part of a decade, been painted as a
> > monster by such corrupt right wing organizations as FOX News and Rush
> > Limbaugh.
.
> Ity is, of course, not even in dispute. Go to OKC and try to organize
> a Terry Nichols Pen Pal Club, see what happens. >
.
You'd be asked "who?" Terry has never been all that well known. Now,
why didn't you use the far more famous Timothy McVeigh as an example -
oh, that's right - BECAUSE HE GOT A CHANGE IN VENUE!!!!!!
> > I doubt that one Oklahoman in a hundred ever even heard the
> > name Terry Nichols, much less had any strong emotional feelings for
> > the man.
.
> > Of course, unlike my client, Mr. Nichols never had a
> > confession beaten out of him, or evidence illegally stolen.
.
> You bring up the very reason Obama is bringing KSM into federal court.>
.
He brought it up because he hopes to get a few sucks on the Hate Bush
tit before the 2012 election.
.
> The torture will be off limits. Defense won’t be able to bring it up.
.
Sez who?
.
> DOJ is not relying on any information gleaned from the pointless torture of KSM.
.
Sniff - sniff. The po' po' innocent chil was made uncomfortable for
no reason. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Those mean CIA agents, THEY'RE the
real villains.
And that's what the trial is really about. Trashing on Bush to score
cheap political points. Of course, is one or two or a thousand
Americans die because of this callous political move, what the hey,
right? They're probably Christians, and thus deserve to die.
.
> Once again Obama is riding to Bush’s rescue by cleaning up his messes.
.
You mean like how he and Pelosi, since coming to power, bravely turned
Bush's 4.6% unemployment rate to 10.2%? Or how he turned 2007's
annual deficit of 187 billion dollars into 237 billion - IN OCTOBER
ALONE??????
How he kept the "mess' of keeping American soil safe for eight years
under Bush, to having our military base shot up?
Yeah, Obama's doin' great.
.
> > And there
> > is no question that American is a deeply racist nation which openly
> > loathes Muslims - which is proven by any casual listening to FOX News
> > and Glenn Beck. Again, you honor, it's impossible for my client to
> > receive a fair trial, so I demand all charges be dismissed."
.
> Denied. Proceed to trial.
.
Again, you're not really a judge. There's no reason to be certain how
he or she will rule.
.
> > .> > Even if the trial were to happen,
.
> > > Which it will... Ramzi Yousef was convicted in NYC in the 1993 WTC
> > > bombing.
.
> > The current Attorney General Eric Holder recently reversed the
> > conviction of two Black Panthers who threatened old people with clubs
> > when they tried to vote.
.
> That’s a lie of course. Blatant lie. That’s all you and your ilk have
> is lies. Please keep doing this because this ensures voters will keep
> kicking your stupid lying asses out.
.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203550604574361071968458430.html
Holder's Black Panther Stonewall
Why did the Justice Department dismiss such a clear case of voter
intimidation?
By JOHN FUND
President Obama's Justice Department continues to stonewall inquiries
about why it dropped a voter intimidation case against the New Black
Panther Party.
The episode—which Bartle Bull, a former civil rights lawyer and
publisher of the left-wing Village Voice, calls "the most blatant form
of voter intimidation I've ever seen"—began on Election Day 2008. Mr.
Bull and others witnessed two Black Panthers in paramilitary garb at a
polling place near downtown Philadelphia. (Some of this behavior is on
YouTube.)
One of them, they say, brandished a nightstick at the entrance and
pointed it at voters and both made racial threats. Mr. Bull says he
heard one yell "You are about to be ruled by the black man, cracker!"
In the first week of January, the Justice Department filed a civil
lawsuit against the New Black Panther Party and three of its members,
saying they violated the 1965 Voting Rights Act by scaring voters with
the weapon, uniforms and racial slurs. In March, Mr. Bull submitted an
affidavit at Justice's request to support its lawsuit.
When none of the defendants filed any response to the complaint or
appeared in federal district court in Philadelphia to answer the suit,
it appeared almost certain Justice would have prevailed by default.
Instead, the department in May suddenly allowed the party and two of
the three defendants to walk away. Against the third defendant,
Minister King Samir Shabazz, it sought only an injunction barring him
from displaying a weapon within 100 feet of a Philadelphia polling
place for the next three years—action that's already illegal under
existing law.
> > .> > there's no place for it to go but an
> > > > attack on George W. Bush and the Iraq War.
.
> > > Irrelevant, inadmissible, move on.
> > No, it's not.
.
> It is, of course. Bush and the Iraq War are completely irrelevant to
> 9/11. Obama campaigned on this. No one draws a connection. You’re
> busted.
.
And how do you guarantee that the terrorists defense wouldn't go
there. I would, if I were them.
.
> > The Obama administration has endangered American lives
> > for no other reason to get a few last licks on George Bush.
.
> Tighten your tinfoil haberdashery, kooktoid.
.
Yeah, that's very funny. The Obama administration has endangered
American lives for no other reason to get a few last licks on George
Bush.
.
> > .> You are unfamiliar with how courts work.
.
> > As it turns out, I worked as a Head Clerk for the State Bar of
> > California for three years - I have a VERY strong knowledge of the
> > legal system.
.
> No you don’t.>
.
Yes I do.
.
> > .> > It's also possible that he
> > > > could win, and be let free. Yes, the most liberal 13% of the country
> > > > would have a Viagra four hour boner, but it convince future terrorists
> > > > that the country is weak, and invite dozens more Fort Hood style
> > > > attacks.
.
> > > So you morons actually believe your own talking points?>
.
> > It tends to happen when one's talking points are true.
.
> But yours aren’t.
.
The former Mayor of New York agrees with me. The current Governor of
New York State isn't thrilled with this turn of events.
.
> > .> > The Obama administration, trading American lives for short term
> > > > political gain.
.
> > > The Obama administration, oh so much smarter and capable and following
> > > the law than the AWOL administration.
.
> > And yet months after Obama changed the rules, attacks on US soil begin
> > again.
.
> Where? When? Did I miss something?
.
It happened at Fort Hood. Oh, wait, you're reduced to pretending that
it wasn't a real terrorist attack, aren't you?
.
> > .> You collection of pathetic losers really seethe that someone
> > > intelligent is now in charge. It's funny to watch you foam.
.
> > In and of itself, intelligence is no more a virtue than beauty, the
> > ability to throw a football or being able to start a campfire with one
> > match. A measure of a man is what he does with his gifts, and so far,
> > Barak Obama has been a dismal failure.
.
> BWAHAHAHAAAAHAHAAA!!! He is rescuing the nation from the dismal
> failure of the AWOL administration.
.
When the Democrats took over both houses in 2006, the unemployment
rate was 4.6% - after nearly three years of the Democrats controlling
five of the six Executive/Legislative branches, unemployment has
skyrocketed to 10.2%. The last budget passed by the Republican House
and Senate, and signed by Bush, had a deficit of 187 billion dollars.
Obama and Pelosi spent more than that last month alone. For eight
years, Bush kept this country safe from terrorist attack - now Obama
allowed 51 American soldiers to be shot on US soil. And what's the
excuse the Dems are offering? "It doesn't count because, er, he's
like a post man who snapped." Yeah, a postman who screamed Allau
Akbar while he shot the face of a 21 year old woman who was three
months pregnant, and who openly talked about the virtues of Jihad for
years.
Iarnrod
> .> > > > The first thing any third year law student would say is "your honor,
> > > > > it's impossible for my defendant to have a fair trial in this city.
> > > > > He's far too famous and hated. I call for a change in venue."
> .
> > > > Motion denied.
> .
> > > On what grounds?
> .
> > He can get a fair trial.
>
> .
> When the whole city hates him? How?
Empanelling an impartial jury that can render a fair verdict. Your
hyperbole aside, it can be done.
Why are you tightie righties so a-scared of putting terrorists on
trial? This is just so funny to watch your side implode in the face of
a true American president following the law and resolutely doing the
right thing. You are all-outrage, all-the-time.
> .> > The terrorists would absolutely have a point. "Your
> > > honor, if these men were American gangsters, or serial murderers, or
> > > drug dealers who killed millions by selling narcotics to children, you
> > > wouldn't think twice about ordering a change of venue.
> .
> > Bzzzzztttt! Wrong. Puh-lenty of such trials have taken place in the
> > districts where they occurred.
>
> .
> Sure, there was Timothey McVeigh - oh wait, he got his case
> transferred from Oklahoma City to the U.S. District Court in Denver,
> Colorado presided over by U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch.
>
> Howzabot Virginia of Beltway sniper attacks defendants Lee Boyd Malvo
> and John Allen Muhammad? Nope, their trial was moved more than 100
> miles distant in Chesapeake and Virginia Beach in the far southeastern
> edge of Virginia.
>
> The four Los Angeles police officers (LAPD) in the Rodney King
> incident? And then there's Amadou Diallo murder case in which the
> NYPD defendants' trial was moved to Albany.
All immaterial of course. Naming a few examples of trials that have
been moved doesn’t demonstrate your case at all. No one says no trial
has ever been moved. And so what if this one eventually is? So what?
Obama’s decision is ipso facto the correct one. Move the trial to
Cheyenne, Wyo., or Tallahassee or Lansing, I don’t care. It’s the
*holding* of the trial that matters. To initiate the process, however,
NYC is selected. So what?
> .> > But because the defendants are Muslim who have done nothing but follow the orders of Islam, suddenly the laws by which you pretend to have sworn alliance simply no longer apply?"
> .
> > Motion denied. Proceed to trial.
>
> .
> Yeah, here's the problem. You're not really a judge.
Here’s the problem; you have no understanding of court procedure and
precedent. There are ways to empanel an impartial jury. You seem to
think juries need to be composed of dopes who never heard about the
crime or the arrests.
No no no, my stupid friend.
The key is can you render a fair verdict based only on the evidence
presented at trial, whether you’ve read about the case or not. That is
the test, not whether you’re a hermit.
> .> > And then there's the process of discovery,
> .
> > So what.
>
> .
> So this information will provide a treasure trove of intelligence for
> Al-Quada. That means more Americans at risk.
No it won’t. That’s a red herring.
> .> > > Immaterial anyway. It is better that this is handled in criminal
> > > > courts, as Clinton did with effectiveness before AWOL screwed the
> > > > pooch by invading countries. If it is COV'd to Kansas City, so what.
> .
> > > Yeah, about that.
> .
> > > When Clinton decides that terrorists were no worse than a drunk guy
> > > who breaks into a 7/11 through the roof top, America suffered
> > > terrorist attack after terrorist attack.
> .
> > Wrong. They ended. Clinton solved it.>
>
> .
> 1993
> Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World
> Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995,
> militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted
> of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have
> been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda
> involvement is suspected.
Thank you for highlighting Clinton’s effective response to that act of
terrorism. Bush should have followed it instead of launching two wars
and creating exponentially more Muslims who want us dead who
previously didn’t care until we killed their wives and children in
collateral damage.
> 1995
> April 19, Oklahoma City: car bomb exploded outside federal office
> building, collapsing wall and floors. 168 people were killed,
> including 19 children and 1 person who died in rescue effort. Over 220
> buildings sustained damage. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols later
> convicted in the antigovernment plot to avenge the Branch Davidian
> standoff in Waco, Tex., exactly 2 years earlier. (See Miscellaneous
> Disasters.)
McVeigh was not a Muslim, dearie.
And where is he today? Oh yeah, his Aryan Valhalla. CONVICTED and
EXECUTED.
> Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military
> headquarters, killing 5 U.S. military servicemen.
When did the United States annex Saudi Arabia, boob?
> 1996
> June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar
> Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring
> hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of
> Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to
> the attack in June 2001.
Again, is Saudi Arabia in the US?
> 1998
>
> Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs
> exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213
> in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. 4 men connected
> with al-Qaeda 2 of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside
> Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later
> sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men
> in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin
> Laden, who remained at large.
Did the US annex Kenya and Tanzania while I was sleeping?
> 2000
> Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged
> when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17
> sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda
> terrorist network.
Yemen is not in the US, fool.
And I seem to recall Clinton’s people turning the investigation over
to Bush’s at the change in administrations and Bush shitcanning it and
going on vacation.
> > > After 9/11,
> .
> > Pssssst, earth to kook: 9/11 HAPPENED ON BUSH’S WATCH. >
>
> .
> Pssssst - at the time, Bush was following Clinton's blueprint - to
> treat terrorists like criminals.
Wrong. Bush was shitcanning any advice the outgoing Clinton people
gave him. He simply didn’t care. His platform called for strip-mining
the middle class of America and finishing off the destruction Reagan
started. 9/11 came as a big surprise to him.
> When Bush started treating
> terrorists like, well, terrorists, the killing stopped. Now that
> Obama is treating terrorists like criminals, we suddenly have Army
> bases shot.
> .>....They didn’t dare do it when Clinton was in charge.
>
> .
> 1993
> Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World
> Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995,
> militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted
> of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have
> been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda
> involvement is suspected.
Remind me again, where is Yousef today?
NO further Islamic terror attacks on US soil! Thank you, President
Clinton! UBL waited until Bush was asleep at the wheel to carry out
9/11 – even though Bush had been warned of it.
WRT you list of terror attacks outside the US, are you such a morn as
to think there have not been hundreds of them since Bush as well?
You show the level of your desperation to defend your incompetent
hero.
> .> > when Bush
> > > started throwing their sorry asses in Gitmo, Islamic terrorist attacks
> > > on America were reduced to zero. Nada. Zip. Bupkis.
> .
> > Our interests were attacked around the world, more than under
> > Clionton, because AWOL
>
> .
> At a time of life when President Bush severed his county honorably in
> the National Guard,
He went AWOL. Leave it to redopicans to defend desertion as
“honorable!”
Obama squandered his youth by being constantly
> drunk, high, and whenever possible, wackef out of his head on cocaine.
I think you meant Bush here. Wow, such irony.
> was giving al Qaeda exactly what they wanted –
> .> a war with the infidels.>
>
> .
> And yet, the bulk of attacks came on Clinton's watch.
False. Exponentially more – hundreds -- occurred during Bush’s war.
You are exercising selective stupidity. Being blind to the hundreds of
terror attacks, in Iraq and around the globe, during the Bush years is
simply breathtaking stupidity on your part.
> They've restarted with a vengeance after Obama took office.
There have not been any since Obama took office.
> .> AWOL...>
>
> .
> At a time of life when President Bush severed his county honorably in
> the National Guard,
He did not, of course. He left. He refused to take his physical. He
stopped showing up. He only had daddy pull favors to jump queue into
the TANG so he would not have to go to Vietnam. He went AWOL.
> Obama squandered his youth by being constantly
> drunk, high, and whenever possible, wackef out of his head on cocaine.
I think you mean Bush, who we know was constantly drunk, high and
abusing cocaine.
> .>.... played right into UBL’s hands. Now he’s
> > got TENS OF THOUSANDS more followers than if we had sent in teams to
> > assassinate him or if we had grabbed his ass and hauled him back for
> > trial. He’da been a big NOTHING if that had happened.
>
> .
> So, the best response to terrorism is to do nothing, and hope we don't
> hurt their feelings?
Who said that, kookshit? I said, send in small teams to hunt him down
and assassinate his ass. Learn to read.
Instead, Bush invades a country that had nothing to do with it,
creates tens of thousands more future terrorists by killing civilians
in a pointless war.
> That's EXACTLY the attitude that allowed the
> Fort Hood slaughter to happen.
You fuckin’ moron, Hasan is a nutcase who slipped through when Bush
was prez. His attack was precisely due to Bush’s ill-advised invasion
and occupation that has endangered us, not protected us.
> .> You don’t get it. UBL isn’t afraid of Bush and his war… UBL WANTS the
> > war. AWOL gave it to him.
>
> .
> You don't get it.
I get it better than you, kook.
> UBL isn't a peaceable fellow who just wants
> respect. He wants to destroy Western Civilization. Period. He isn't
> swayed by kind behavior - he's openly contempous of it.
That’s why I said kill him.
But your hero Bush says he doesn’t care for him and wasn’t looking for
him.
Instead he invades a country that had not attacked us and was not a
threat, and becomes UBL’s recruiting poster.
Stupid stupid stupid.
Kill UBL. Problem solved. Invade Iraq, create 10,000,000 more
potential UBLs.
> ""The American government is leading the country towards hell. ... We
> say to the Americans as people and to American mothers, if they
> cherish their lives and if they cherish their sons, they must elect an
> American patriotic government that caters to their interests not the
> interests of the Jews. If the present injustice continues with the
> wave of national consciousness, it will inevitably move the battle to
> American soil, just as Ramzi Yousef and others have done."
>
> Bin Laden
So why didn’t Bush kill him? Why didn’t Bush keep looking for him? Why
invade Iraq and take resources away from the hunt for UBL? There might
be more to this than just the stupidity it displays.
> .> > Within months
> > > of Obama announcing that he's going back to the criminal system. we
> > > has an US Army base shot up.
> .
> > Are you on drugs? Hasan flipped his lid. Fort Hood was not terrorism,
> > it was going postal.
>
> .
> He did nothing of the sort.
He did, of course, not in dispute.
> Your buddy was openly contemptuous of
> America for, well, his entire life.
“My” buddy? WTF, kook?
> He made no bones about his
> sympathy for the terrorists. Everything was very well planned. It
> was a terrorist attack.
Having sympathy for terrorists, dearie, does not make his attack a
terrorist act. You are hyperbolizing. I understand… lies is all your
side has. But this was not a terrorist attack. He acted alone. Terror
attacks have organizations behind them. There is no connection. Sorry.
> .> > .> > The SECOND thing any third year law student would say is "your honor,
> > > > > it's impossible for my defendant to have a fair trial in this
> > > > > country. He's far too famous and hated. I call for a dismissal."
> .
> > > > Motion denied.
> .
> > > Again, why?
> .
> > No grounds.
>
> .
> Timothey McVeigh, Lee Boyd Malvo, John Allen Muhammad, the four Los
> Angeles police officers (LAPD) in the Rodney King incident and Amadou
> Diallo murder case defendents say otherwise.
And every single other case that was not moved says I am right. Your
few examples show nothing except your ignorance.
> .> > Because New York judges are such hard noses? A dismal is
> > > VERY possible.
> .
> > It is in fact impossible. There are no grounds to dismiss a case
> > against a person because his crime has made him famous.
>
> .
> Why do you think that Timothey McVeigh was constantly referred to as
> the ALLEGED bomber? Because if he was called a bomber, his lawyers
> would immediately demand a dismissal.
They would not have gotten it, of course. Your ignorance of court
procedures is quite breathtaking.
> This almost happened during the
> Charlie Manson trail, when Richard Nixon accidentally called Chuck a
> murderer.
Not even close, dearie!
> While in the witness box, unknown to his lawyer, Manson
> flashed a newspaper headline to the jury. Even though Manson
> introduced in information, the case was very close to being
> dismissed.
No it was not.
You might be confusing a motion for a mistrial with dismissal of the
case and charges. That’s a ludicrous mistake.
> The judge was forced to take each juror into him private
> chambers, and was personally assured that the headline didn't
> influence their opinion of the case.
And the case went on. Not even close.
This happened in the McVeigh trial. A juror made a remark to fellow
jurors indicating pre-conceptions of guilt. The trial went on.
> > > .> > I'm not sure on what grounds the judge would deny the dismissal.
> .
> > > > So you're stupid?
> > > I'm smart enough to notice that you didn't mention why the judge
> > > couldn't and wouldn't order a change in venue.
> .
> > No grounds.
>
> .
> Timothey McVeigh, Lee Boyd Malvo, John Allen Muhammad, the four Los
> Angeles police officers (LAPD) in the Rodney King incident and Amadou
> Diallo murder case defendents say otherwise.
No they don’t. How many motions for change of venue are denied? Hint:
More than are granted.
> .> > .> It is, of course, a cinch to get a fair trial. Terry Nichols, an OKC
> > > > bombing conspirator, was tried in Oklahoma state court after his
> > > > federal conviction in a COV court in Denver. The jury spared his life.
> .
> > > "Terry Nichols, your honor? This is hardly the same situation as my
> > > client, who has, for the better part of a decade, been painted as a
> > > monster by such corrupt right wing organizations as FOX News and Rush
> > > Limbaugh.
> .
> > Ity is, of course, not even in dispute. Go to OKC and try to organize
> > a Terry Nichols Pen Pal Club, see what happens. >
>
> .
> You'd be asked "who?" Terry has never been all that well known.
Holy SHIT!!! You are really stupid. Terry Nichols is the most hated
man in Oklahoma. EVERYONE knows who he is.
> Now,
> why didn't you use the far more famous Timothy McVeigh as an example -
> oh, that's right - BECAUSE HE GOT A CHANGE IN VENUE!!!!!!
So did Nichols, kookshit. Nichols’ federal trial was in Denver too.
His state trial was in Oklahoma. The state tried him after the feds
failed to get the death penalty. The OK jury also spared his life. So
much for pretrial publicity!
> > > I doubt that one Oklahoman in a hundred ever even heard the
> > > name Terry Nichols, much less had any strong emotional feelings for
> > > the man.
You are stupidly wrong. Everyone in Oklahoma has heard of Terry
Nichols and they hate him.
.
> > > Of course, unlike my client, Mr. Nichols never had a
> > > confession beaten out of him, or evidence illegally stolen.
Guess again. You don’t know the case.
> > You bring up the very reason Obama is bringing KSM into federal court.>
>
> .
> He brought it up because he hopes to get a few sucks on the Hate Bush
> tit before the 2012 election.
Wow, you really are on drugs, aren’t you!
> .> The torture will be off limits. Defense won’t be able to bring it up.
>
> .
> Sez who?
The judge, eventually. The gov won’t use any info gleaned from these
sessions, which we now know produced nothing of value. It is as
irrelevant as whether what they served him for dinner met an Islamic
diet.
> .> DOJ is not relying on any information gleaned from the pointless torture of KSM.
>
> .
> Sniff - sniff. The po' po' innocent chil was made uncomfortable for
> no reason. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Those mean CIA agents, THEY'RE the
> real villains.
All irrelevant of course. Not in dispute. DOJ doesn’t need any of it.
Of course you’re now making a great case AGAINST Bush/Cheeeeeney
policy of torture. See how it could have damaged the case? Stupid
stupid stupid Bush!
> And that's what the trial is really about. Trashing on Bush to score
> cheap political points.
Wow, paranoid much?
The trial is about convicting KSM and achieving justice for the
victims of 9/11, something Bush/Cheeeeneey could never do.
> Of course, is one or two or a thousand
> Americans die because of this callous political move, what the hey,
> right? They're probably Christians, and thus deserve to die.
You are a kook.
You are a scared little kook.
Patriotic Americans WANT this criminal tried and convicted in a court
of law where the crime was committed. That’s the American way and it’s
funny that your weasel coward traitor redopicans are opposed to that.
> .> Once again Obama is riding to Bush’s rescue by cleaning up his messes.
>
> .
> You mean like how he and Pelosi, since coming to power, bravely turned
> Bush's 4.6% unemployment rate to 10.2%?
Bzzzzzzttt! That’s the Bush GOP Recession you’re describing it. Do you
not realize how much higher hat would be without Dems rescuing the
economy from your incompetent hands?
> Or how he turned 2007's
> annual deficit of 187 billion dollars into 237 billion - IN OCTOBER
> ALONE??????
Gov’t spending is a necessary fact of life in response to the
Republican economic disaster that without Obama could have put us into
Great Depression II. FACT.
> How he kept the "mess' of keeping American soil safe for eight years
> under Bush, to having our military base shot up?
Bush failed to keep American soil “safe,” dearie. He failed in a
manner so exponentially worse than any previous US president since the
British invasion in the War of 1812.
9/11 is not a gimme, a mulligan. It counts.
Fort Hood is not an act of terrorism. It was a Luby’s Cafeteria, a
Virginia Tech. It was not al Qaeda, it was a lone nut. Americans know
this and all the phony manufactured rage of the loony right only makes
you morons look like, well, the liars that you are. A lone nut, I
might add, who should have been dealt with under the Bush
administration when his anti-American writings and presentations came
to the attention of authorities, who under Bush decided not to do
anything and circular-filed it.
Some “keeping America safe,” eh?
> .> > And there
> > > is no question that American is a deeply racist nation which openly
> > > loathes Muslims - which is proven by any casual listening to FOX News
> > > and Glenn Beck. Again, you honor, it's impossible for my client to
> > > receive a fair trial, so I demand all charges be dismissed."
> .
> > Denied. Proceed to trial.
>
> .
> Again, you're not really a judge.
Yet I am oh so much more familiar with the judicial system than you.
Cases do not get dismissed because the defendant is too notorious for
trial, you eejit.
> There's no reason to be certain how
> he or she will rule.
We know there will not be a dismissal because his crimes were so awful
no one would give him a fair trial.
> .> > .> > Even if the trial were to happen,
> .
> > > > Which it will... Ramzi Yousef was convicted in NYC in the 1993 WTC
> > > > bombing.
> .
> > > The current Attorney General Eric Holder recently reversed the
> > > conviction of two Black Panthers who threatened old people with clubs
> > > when they tried to vote.
> .
> > That’s a lie of course. Blatant lie. That’s all you and your ilk have
> > is lies. Please keep doing this because this ensures voters will keep
> > kicking your stupid lying asses out.
>
> .http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020355060457436107196845...
>
> Holder's Black Panther Stonewall
> Why did the Justice Department dismiss such a clear case of voter
> intimidation?
> By JOHN FUND
Thank you for posting proof that you lied.
I told you that you knew nothing about the justice system. This story
contradicts you.
You’re a moron. You take a fact, twist it to fit your own desired
version of reality, and then present it as though it doesn’t
contradict you.
> > > .> > there's no place for it to go but an
> > > > > attack on George W. Bush and the Iraq War.
> .
> > > > Irrelevant, inadmissible, move on.
> > > No, it's not.
> .
> > It is, of course. Bush and the Iraq War are completely irrelevant to
> > 9/11. Obama campaigned on this. No one draws a connection. You’re
> > busted.
>
> .
> And how do you guarantee that the terrorists defense wouldn't go
> there. I would, if I were them.
Overruled.
No relevance.
A federal court trial is not Night at the Improv, bird brain.
> .> > The Obama administration has endangered American lives
> > > for no other reason to get a few last licks on George Bush.
> .
> > Tighten your tinfoil haberdashery, kooktoid.
>
> .
> Yeah, that's very funny.
Because it’s true. You nutbags are all-outrage, all-the-time. No sense
of perspective. Like I say, if Obama ran into a burning house and
saved a bunch of kittens, you clucks would charge him with
trespassing.
> The Obama administration has endangered
> American lives for no other reason to get a few last licks on George
> Bush.
False of course. He has started to reverse Bush’s endangerment of
Americans.
> .> > .> You are unfamiliar with how courts work.
> .
> > > As it turns out, I worked as a Head Clerk for the State Bar of
> > > California for three years - I have a VERY strong knowledge of the
> > > legal system.
> .
> > No you don’t.>
>
> .
> Yes I do.
Proof is in the pudding, nitwit. You called DOJ’s decision to drop a
case as “reversing the conviction.” This is of course not only false,
but betrays a fundamental ignorance of terminology. A prosecutor
cannot reverse a conviction. A court of appeals can do that. A trial
judge can toss out a conviction. But a prosecutor cannot.
> .> > .> > It's also possible that he
> > > > > could win, and be let free. Yes, the most liberal 13% of the country
> > > > > would have a Viagra four hour boner, but it convince future terrorists
> > > > > that the country is weak, and invite dozens more Fort Hood style
> > > > > attacks.
> .
> > > > So you morons actually believe your own talking points?>
> .
> > > It tends to happen when one's talking points are true.
> .
> > But yours aren’t.
>
> .
> The former Mayor of New York agrees with me.
That’s funny. He sure took the opposite view when it wasn’t a
Democratic administration calling the shots, but a republican one. Why
is that? Oh, a flip-flopper, ya think, based solely on that famous
“manufactured all-outrage, all-the-time” phenomenon? Guiliani not
only hailed the Moussaoui trial but said he was in “awe” of our
justice system that showed the world we can give fair trials to
terrorists who attack us.
In fact, Guiliani TESTIFIED at that trial, held in Alexandria, across
the Potomac from the Capitol dome.
Good then (under Bush), bad now (under Obama).
Screw you asswipes and your blatant politicization of EVERYTHING in
the name of your politics of personal destruction. You are traitorous
whores to our Constitution and all that is America.
Now note, the CURRENT mayor of NYC says this is the right and proper
decision.
“New York City Mayor Bloomberg has taken a different stance. “It is
fitting that 9/11 suspects face justice near the World Trade Center
site where so many New Yorkers were murdered,” Bloomberg said in a
Nov. 13 statement.
“When I spoke to Attorney General Holder earlier today, I told him New
York City stands ready to assist the federal court in the
administration of justice in any way necessary,” Bloomberg said.”
> .> > .> > The Obama administration, trading American lives for short term
> > > > > political gain.
> .
> > > > The Obama administration, oh so much smarter and capable and following
> > > > the law than the AWOL administration.
> .
> > > And yet months after Obama changed the rules, attacks on US soil begin
> > > again.
> .
> > Where? When? Did I miss something?
>
> .
> It happened at Fort Hood.
Was it before or after Hasan’s shooting spree?
> Oh, wait, you're reduced to pretending that
> it wasn't a real terrorist attack, aren't you?
It wasn’t. No more so than Virginia Tech massacre, which Bush failed
to prevent.
> .> > .> You collection of pathetic losers really seethe that someone
> > > > intelligent is now in charge. It's funny to watch you foam.
> .
> > > In and of itself, intelligence is no more a virtue than beauty, the
> > > ability to throw a football or being able to start a campfire with one
> > > match. A measure of a man is what he does with his gifts, and so far,
> > > Barak Obama has been a dismal failure.
> .
> > BWAHAHAHAAAAHAHAAA!!! He is rescuing the nation from the dismal
> > failure of the AWOL administration.
>
> .
> When the Democrats took over both houses in 2006, the unemployment
> rate was 4.6% - after nearly three years of the Democrats controlling
> five of the six Executive/Legislative branches, unemployment has
> skyrocketed to 10.2%.
Due to Republican policies already well in place.
> The last budget passed by the Republican House
> and Senate, and signed by Bush, had a deficit of 187 billion dollars.
> Obama and Pelosi spent more than that last month alone.
A necessary thing to combat the Bush/GOP Recession. Even your hero
Bush acknowledged he had to spend to avoid an outright economic
depression. You morons fucked up the country big time and this is what
has to be done to fix things.
> For eight
> years, Bush kept this country safe from terrorist attack
WHAT!!!??? Have you not heard of 9/11??? We were ATTACKED by Muslin
terrorists in NYC and DC. Nearly 3,000 people DIED. Bush most
definitely did NOT keep us safe! This was the LARGEST terrorist attack
ever on US soil. You must be on drugs. If THAT is what you call
keeping us safe, you are truly the mist ineffective apologist for the
incompetent AWOL regime.
You also forget the anthrax attacks that have never been solved.
> now Obama allowed 51 American soldiers to be shot on US soil.
Holy crap, you’re stupid. Obama allowed this? Did his NSA give him a
PDB saying “Hasan Determined to Attack Within Fort Hood?” A lone act
by a psychotic gunman? Who, BY THE WAY, came to the attention of
military and intel authorities DURING THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION for his
writings and views and he was ignored.
So by your standard, Bush allowed the Virginia Tech killings. And the
Beltway Sniper Attacks
> And what's the
> excuse the Dems are offering? "It doesn't count because, er, he's
> like a post man who snapped." Yeah, a postman who screamed Allau
> Akbar while he shot the face of a 21 year old woman who was three
> months pregnant, and who openly talked about the virtues of Jihad for
> years.
You are right, he had been talking about it for years… why didn’t your
heeee-ro Bush not do anything about it when it was brought to light
during his administration? FAIL.
If he had been talking about it FOR YEARS then bush failed to keep us
safe because he did nothing about it.
A lone nut shouting “God is great” opening fire does not make a
terrorist attack. You fail to understand terrorism. You fail to
understand anything, kook.