The trial of Emma West on racially aggravated public order offences
has been delayed for the third time (
http://www.thisiscroydontoday.co.uk/Emma-West-trial-adjourned-time/st... ). No further date has been set. The trial was originally scheduled
for June, then July and finally September 5th. The ostensible reason
for the latest delay is the same as it was previously, further
psychiatric reports are being sought by the prosecution.
It is true that cases can be delayed several times for reasons which
are entirely legitimate. Further evidence directly relating to the
immediate facts of the case, that is, what happened rather than why
it happened, may be being sought with a reasonable chance of
success. Examples would be where witnesses have not been interviewed
because they are not in the country, but are believed to be returning
in the foreseeable future or documents are being withheld by a body
such as a bank and their release or otherwise is the subject of
ongoing court action. But there is nothing like that here, for the
delay is simply down to further psychiatric reports being wanted.
That is something largely within the control of those commissioning
them. The fact that it is the prosecution which is asking for more
reports is highly significant because it suggests that the ones they
have already commissioned are not to their liking, that is, they are
detrimental to the prosecution.
The case is not that complex. The prosecution have the recording.
They have had ample time to test it to see if it has been tampered
with. As the delay in trying the case is ascribed solely to the need
for psychiatric reports, presumably the prosecution either have
witness statements from the person who filmed the incident and
possibly others amongst the
On Sep 8, 8:39 pm, RH <anywhere...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Emma West trial delayed for the third time
> The fact that it is the prosecution which is asking for more
> reports is highly significant because it suggests that the ones they
> have already commissioned are not to their liking, that is, they are
> detrimental to the prosecution.
Makes not the slightest difference. Whatever the report says, whether
it is used in evidence or not, a copy will have to be made available
to the defence under rules of disclosure.
> The case is not that complex.
How do you know? Are you involved in its preparation?
On Sep 9, 8:09 am, Mel Rowing <mel.row...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On Sep 8, 8:39 pm, RH <anywhere...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Emma West trial delayed for the third time
> > The fact that it is the prosecution which is asking for more
> > reports is highly significant because it suggests that the ones they
> > have already commissioned are not to their liking, that is, they are
> > detrimental to the prosecution.
> Makes not the slightest difference. Whatever the report says, whether
> it is used in evidence or not, a copy will have to be made available
> to the defence under rules of disclosure.
> > The case is not that complex.
> How do you know? Are you involved in its preparation?
All the evidence is and was immediately available to the prosecution.
You can always be counted on to take the side of the authorities,
whoever they are. Had you been in Germany in the 1930s you would have
been among the first to shout Seig Heil.
On Sep 8, 9:09 pm, Mel Rowing <mel.row...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On Sep 8, 8:39 pm, RH <anywhere...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Emma West trial delayed for the third time
> > The fact that it is the prosecution which is asking for more
> > reports is highly significant because it suggests that the ones they
> > have already commissioned are not to their liking, that is, they are
> > detrimental to the prosecution.
> Makes not the slightest difference. Whatever the report says, whether
> it is used in evidence or not, a copy will have to be made available
> to the defence under rules of disclosure.
> > The case is not that complex.
> How do you know? Are you involved in its preparation?
I have rarely heard of a case where reports (whether they be PSR's,
Psych, final CPS/prosecution statements/evidences, etc) are disclosed
more than 30-40 minutes before a hearing in the UK.
Statement of personal experience and anticodal experiences of many.
TC
> delay is simply down to further psychiatric reports being wanted.
> That is something largely within the control of those commissioning
> them. The fact that it is the prosecution which is asking for more
> reports is highly significant because it suggests that the ones they
> have already commissioned are not to their liking, that is, they are
> detrimental to the prosecution.
Just like Ian Huntley, the work that needs to be done can take time.
> On Sep 9, 8:09 am, Mel Rowing <mel.row...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 8, 8:39 pm, RH <anywhere...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Emma West trial delayed for the third time
> > > The fact that it is the prosecution which is asking for more
> > > reports is highly significant because it suggests that the ones they
> > > have already commissioned are not to their liking, that is, they are
> > > detrimental to the prosecution.
> > Makes not the slightest difference. Whatever the report says, whether
> > it is used in evidence or not, a copy will have to be made available
> > to the defence under rules of disclosure.
> > > The case is not that complex.
> > How do you know? Are you involved in its preparation?
> All the evidence is and was immediately available to the prosecution.
> You can always be counted on to take the side of the authorities,
> whoever they are. Had you been in Germany in the 1930s you would have
> been among the first to shout Seig Heil.
No! But you might!
I would not have shown my ignorance and would have shouted "Sieg
Heil !"
> On Sep 9, 8:09 am, Mel Rowing <mel.row...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 8, 8:39 pm, RH <anywhere...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Emma West trial delayed for the third time
>> > The fact that it is the prosecution which is asking for more
>> > reports is highly significant because it suggests that the ones they
>> > have already commissioned are not to their liking, that is, they are
>> > detrimental to the prosecution.
>> Makes not the slightest difference. Whatever the report says, whether
>> it is used in evidence or not, a copy will have to be made available
>> to the defence under rules of disclosure.
>> > The case is not that complex.
>> How do you know? Are you involved in its preparation?
> All the evidence is and was immediately available to the prosecution.
> You can always be counted on to take the side of the authorities,
> whoever they are. Had you been in Germany in the 1930s you would have
> been among the first to shout Seig Heil.
Perhaps so, but on this point he is right. An undesirable psych report cannot be suppressed by the CPS. Defence will have a copy, and be free to call it in evidence.
> Emma West trial delayed for the third time
> The fact that it is the prosecution which is asking for more
> reports is highly significant because it suggests that the ones they
> have already commissioned are not to their liking, that is, they are
> detrimental to the prosecution.
> Makes not the slightest difference. Whatever the report says, whether
> it is used in evidence or not, a copy will have to be made available
> to the defence under rules of disclosure.
> The case is not that complex.
> How do you know? Are you involved in its preparation?
It will soon be a year since Emma West's minor public order infringement.
I believe she's already spent eleven days in prison, and she no longer has custody of her child.
:: "Mel Rowing" <mel.row...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
:: news:c215f649-ad84-42b2-a0e9-2c79194eb4a8@p5g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
:: On Sep 8, 8:39 pm, RH <anywhere...@gmail.com> wrote:
::: Emma West trial delayed for the third time
::
::: The fact that it is the prosecution which is asking for more
::: reports is highly significant because it suggests that the ones they
::: have already commissioned are not to their liking, that is, they are
::: detrimental to the prosecution.
::
::: Makes not the slightest difference. Whatever the report says,
::: whether it is used in evidence or not, a copy will have to be made
::: available to the defence under rules of disclosure.
::
::: The case is not that complex.
:::
::: How do you know? Are you involved in its preparation?
::
:: It will soon be a year since Emma West's minor public order
:: infringement.
::
:: I believe she's already spent eleven days in prison, and she no
:: longer has custody of her child.
Job done, as far as some are concerned. People wont be as brave to express their opinions.
Do you have any links to show that she lost custody of her child?
