Clinton approves of use of the "race card" in Houston.
HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.
Michael S Payer Jr (msp...@pacbell.net) wrote:
: HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR. wrote:
: > Brain Death (kille...@prom.com) wrote:
: > : On 5 Nov 1997 19:53:44 GMT,
: > hkil...@osf1.gmu.edu (HENRY E. KILPATRICK
: > : JR.) wrote:
: >
: > : >What do you think about the fact that UT and
: > UC-Berkeley law schools are
: > : >now becoming all-white institutions? Is this
: > your goal?
: >
: > : All-white if you consider Asian-Americans as
: > "white".
: >
: > How many are in these law schools?
: Wait a minute Henry, You claim ( as a fact ) that
: the above schools were becoming all white and now
: you admit that you don't know what the numbers are.
: Can you say hypocrite Henry ??? someone one should
: tattoo it on your forehead.
I don't think there are many Asians in these law schools.
Do you?
: >
: >
: > : Besides, it was
: > : well reported that Boalt Hall accepted something
: > like 17 blacks,
: >
: > Huge number, huh?
: So you admit that the issue for you is numbers not
: whether the student is qualified. Why don't we just
: have a lottery and pick the students that way. What
: the hell you don't care what the qualifications are
: anyway.
Or just let white males in, especially by making sure the children of
alumni and famous people get in. I notice that these reasons for
"affirmative action" have not been eliminated.
: >
: >
: > : but
: > : all save one chose not to attend in favor of
: > other schools that also
: > : accepted them, such as Harvard and Stanford.
: > The goal of ending
: > : affirmative action is not to deny opportunities
: > to blacks or other
: > : minorities. It is to get this country back to
: > the ideal that it
: > : doesn't matter what color you are--you advance
: > on your own abilities,
: > : not on some increasingly arbitrary group
: > identity.
: >
: > "*Back* to the ideal?" Just when was this ideal
: > ever reality in this
: > country?
: But Henry, it's what we are striving for as a
: nation. If you don't want the "ideal" than what kind
: of dictatorship do you want for this county. Just
: because we aren't there yet is know reason to quit.
I'd be happy to enter a race against you under these conditions: I'll get
a huge head start due to whatever reason (I'm whiter than you are or my
family has been here longer or whatever gets me a head start), then you
start, then it is announced that we are now going back to the ideal of
everyone starting at the same point while changing nothing.
Bet I win while you are judged to be "unqualified."
: MSP
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Buddy K
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Michael S Payer Jr
The point Henry is you do not know for a fact that
these schools are becoming all white, You have been
caught talking through your hat ( i.e. spouting the
party line even though they are lying ). For once in
your life Henry admit it, You did not and do not
have the "facts" to back up your claims.
Yes, the amount of Asian has gone "way" up in these
schools because they were being kept out under the
old affirmative action policy. You see Henry, they
would bypass "qualified" Asians and Mexicans to
admit unqualified Blacks. That's why the proposition
passed by such a large margin, the other minorities
in this state were being to see that in was working
against them.
>
>
> : >
> : >
> : > : Besides, it was
> : > : well reported that Boalt Hall accepted
> something
> : > like 17 blacks,
> : >
> : > Huge number, huh?
>
> : So you admit that the issue for you is numbers
> not
> : whether the student is qualified. Why don't we
> just
> : have a lottery and pick the students that way.
> What
> : the hell you don't care what the qualifications
> are
> : anyway.
>
> Or just let white males in, especially by making
> sure the children of
> alumni and famous people get in. I notice that
> these reasons for
> "affirmative action" have not been eliminated.
Can you prove that, that is what is going on in
California??? I didn't think so. Now that's the
second check your mouth can't cash. Just because it
goes on in your back-woods little school doe's not
mean it is going on here.
Sorry Henry, You lose "I have been there and done
that". Every group of people that have come to this
county have obstacles to overcome. As you are so
fond of saying Henry "Deal with it, life isn't fair"
so quit your whining.
Oh and just one small thing you seem to be ignoring
Henry, its not ok lets all start out even now, WE
HAVE HAD AFFIRMATIVE ACTION FOR OVER TWENTY YEARS
NOW. Its high time we move on.
Did you know there are studies that show short
peoples to not get promoted in corporate America.
Did you know there are studies that show women don't
get promoted in corporate America.
Did you know there are studies that show gays don't
get promoted in corporate America.
Did you know there are studies that show fat people
don't get promoted in corporate America.
on and on and on and on. As you are so fond of
saying Henry "Deal with it, life isn't fair" so quit
your whining.
MSP
SOMETIMES THE DRAGON WINS
HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.
OK, Payer, you show that the "amount" of Asians has gone way up in these
law schools since you claim to have the facts. Bet you can't.
: because they were being kept out under the
: old affirmative action policy. You see Henry, they
: would bypass "qualified" Asians and Mexicans to
: admit unqualified Blacks. That's why the proposition
: passed by such a large margin, the other minorities
: in this state were being to see that in was working
: against them.
I don't think so, MSP.
: > : > : Besides, it was
: > : > : well reported that Boalt Hall accepted
: > something
: > : > like 17 blacks,
: > : >
: > : > Huge number, huh?
: >
: > : So you admit that the issue for you is numbers
: > not
: > : whether the student is qualified. Why don't we
: > just
: > : have a lottery and pick the students that way.
: > What
: > : the hell you don't care what the qualifications
: > are
: > : anyway.
: >
: > Or just let white males in, especially by making
: > sure the children of
: > alumni and famous people get in. I notice that
: > these reasons for
: > "affirmative action" have not been eliminated.
: Can you prove that, that is what is going on in
: California??? I didn't think so. Now that's the
: second check your mouth can't cash. Just because it
: goes on in your back-woods little school doe's not
: mean it is going on here.
It goes on everywhere that matters, MSP. Especially in private colleges,
but also in state colleges. We all know it does.
But in "back-woods little schools" it is completely unnecessary. People
would rather go to Berkeley Law School if they have the pull to get in.
: >
: >
: > : >
: > : >
Horse manure, MSP. You have been nowhere and done nothing.
: Every group of people that have come to this
: county have obstacles to overcome.
Nonsense. You show me a picture of "white" and "Italian" drinking
fountains. I actually have a sign from a "colored" water fountain. I
bought it from Jimmy Carter's cousin's antique store in Plains, GA. And I
have seen plenty of them with my own eyes. I think my great-aunt's
department store even had one.
: As you are so
: fond of saying Henry "Deal with it, life isn't fair"
: so quit your whining.
If anything, it will help me. I'm a white male. But doing what's right
and doing what helps me aren't always the same thing.
: Oh and just one small thing you seem to be ignoring
: Henry, its not ok lets all start out even now, WE
: HAVE HAD AFFIRMATIVE ACTION FOR OVER TWENTY YEARS
: NOW. Its high time we move on.
We had slavery and Jim Crow for 400 years.
: Did you know there are studies that show short
: peoples to not get promoted in corporate America.
: Did you know there are studies that show women don't
: get promoted in corporate America.
: Did you know there are studies that show gays don't
: get promoted in corporate America.
: Did you know there are studies that show fat people
: don't get promoted in corporate America.
: on and on and on and on. As you are so fond of
: saying Henry "Deal with it, life isn't fair" so quit
: your whining.
You're just afraid to compete on a level playing field, MSP. I guess it's
obvious why.
: MSP
: SOMETIMES THE DRAGON WINS
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Buddy K
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HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR.
: > Michael S Payer Jr (msp...@pacbell.net) wrote:
: > : HENRY E. KILPATRICK JR. wrote:
: >
: > : > Michael S Payer Jr (msp...@pacbell.net)
: OH no you don't Henry, I'm not letting you dodge
: this one. First you admit that you did not have the
: facts when you spouted off. I need to prove nothing
: your the one who said it was a "FACT".
MSP: > : Yes, the amount of Asian has gone "way" up in these schools
Proof?
: > : because they were being kept out under the
: > : old affirmative action policy. You see Henry,
: > they
: > : would bypass "qualified" Asians and Mexicans to
: > : admit unqualified Blacks. That's why the
: > proposition
: >
: > : passed by such a large margin, the other
: > minorities
: > : in this state were being to see that in was
: > working
: > : against them.
: >
: > I don't think so, MSP.
: Henry, I don't care what you think when you are
: misinformed. White only in the state of California
: can pass nothing on their own. And weather you like
: it or not the mexican-americans in california voted
: for 209 with over 50% yes votes.
Mexicans aren't white? Sure coulda fooled me.
: Again Henry you
: don't have the facts. You are just spouting what you
: think it should be.
: Stop whining Henry, you wrong again.
Is this Ebonics you're typing?
: >
: >
: > : > : > : Besides, it was
I forgot to mention it, MSP - your token black conservative hero, Walter
Williams, is chairman of the economics department at this "back-woods
little school." I guess your comments show what you really think of him.
I'll remember that the next time you are praising him to the high heavens.
: > It goes on everywhere that matters, MSP.
: Henry you have a very selective view of history in
: this county. While what you say is true about the
: south, I was there in the early sixties when there
: were signs posted that said "Whites only".
You didn't see any signs saying that "whites" excluded Italians,
Hispanics, Asians, etc. did you?
: The thing you are ignoring or are unaware of is
: that you also could find signs in this county that
: said things like "No Irish need apply".
Only in selected places. Of course, they could just pack up and move west
and get free land. They could also intermarry and assimilate. Before the
1970s, it was illegal in some states for blacks and whites to marry. Show
me where that has ever been the case with another group of immigrants.
: Now you can
: take that little phase and go back though this
: countries history and replace Irish with any group
: you want and if you go back though our history you
: will find that almost every group in this county has
: been discriminated against at one time or another.
I don't think so, MSP. I'm 3rd generation American on my mother's side.
Her Greek/Serb parents didn't have too much trouble. And of course, my
Southern father of slave-owning ancestry was allowed to marry an
immigrant. If she was black, it would have been illegal.
: It's time to stop whining and move on.
Nice of the one who holds the advantages to say "move on."
: >
: > : As you are so
: > : fond of saying Henry "Deal with it, life isn't
: > fair"
: >
: > : so quit your whining.
: >
: > If anything, it will help me. I'm a white male.
: > But doing what's right
: > and doing what helps me aren't always the same
: > thing.
: >
: > : Oh and just one small thing you seem to be
: > ignoring
: > : Henry, its not ok lets all start out even now,
: > WE
: > : HAVE HAD AFFIRMATIVE ACTION FOR OVER TWENTY
: > YEARS
: > : NOW. Its high time we move on.
: >
: > We had slavery and Jim Crow for 400 years
: And Jews were in slavery for thousands of years in
: Egypt. And there is still slavery in Africa ......
: YOUR POINT !!!!
My point is obvious.
: > .
: >
: > : Did you know there are studies that show short
: > : peoples to not get promoted in corporate
: > America.
: > : Did you know there are studies that show women
: > don't
: >
: > : get promoted in corporate America.
: > : Did you know there are studies that show gays
: > don't
: > : get promoted in corporate America.
: > : Did you know there are studies that show fat
: > people
: > : don't get promoted in corporate America.
: >
: > : on and on and on and on. As you are so fond of
: > : saying Henry "Deal with it, life isn't fair" so
: > quit
: >
: > : your whining.
: >
: > You're just afraid to compete on a level playing
: > field, MSP. I guess it's
: > obvious why.
: I simply play the hand that is dealt to me without
: whining about it,
Born on third base & thought he hit a triple.
: something you are seem afraid to
: try.
What are you talking about, MSP? Can't you read? The elimination of
affirmative action will help me.
: Why is it that it is always some white good guy that
: going to save those poor black folks ?????
: And then won't admit it when it turn out to they do
: more damage than good. ??????
You mean like the white GOP Congressman trying to force their agendas down
the throats of the residents of Washington, DC? Is that what you mean?
Ask blacks what they want, MSP. I'll guarantee you most of them don't
agree with you. I don't think blacks want a quota system, but they do
want a piece of the ham. After all, conservatives don't feel bad about
inviting other ethnic groups to the picnic. Look how they kiss the butts
of Cuban-Americans.
Michael S Payer Jr
You really are dumber than a stump. For a guy who
says he did some work for the census you know damn
well that mexicans are classified as hispanic not
white. Henry, when your losing you really get
pathetic.
>
>
> : Again Henry you
> : don't have the facts. You are just spouting what
> you
> : think it should be.
>
> : Stop whining Henry, you wrong again.
>
> Is this Ebonics you're typing?
Call it anything you wish but the "fact" remains
"you are wrong again"
You need to find the first time I praised him to the
high heavens. As I said Henry, when you lose you get
pathetic. Grow up Henry, you've lost and now all you
can do is post irrelevant responses to the facts.
And so did many blacks, perhaps you should read a
little more history of the american west, hint
lookup cowboys.
>
>
> : Now you can
> : take that little phase and go back though this
> : countries history and replace Irish with any
> group
> : you want and if you go back though our history
> you
> : will find that almost every group in this county
> has
> : been discriminated against at one time or
> another.
>
> I don't think so, MSP. I'm 3rd generation
> American on my mother's side.
> Her Greek/Serb parents didn't have too much
> trouble. And of course, my
> Southern father of slave-owning ancestry was
> allowed to marry an
> immigrant. If she was black, it would have been
> illegal.
The point dear Henry is "it is not illegal today"
and we live in the here and now. But you seem
content to live in the past.
Your the one with the guilt over your family being
slave owners, learn to live with it Henry...
Your right its obvious you have no point.!!!!!
What agenda??? there are blacks who want a voucher
system for the schools so their kids can get a
better education. But oh no your liberals can't have
them getting ahead on their own, why my god then
they would not be beholding to the "white liberal"
guy anymore and you would lose your power base. Too
bad your losing it anyway.
By the way Henry proposition 209 is now the law of
the land. You have lost. As you are so fond of
saying to the gun crowd on this news group "THE
COURTS DON'T AGREE WITH YOU"
So sorry Henry, you have lost again
Ta. Ta.
>
>
> Ask blacks what they want, MSP. I'll guarantee
> you most of them don't
> agree with you. I don't think blacks want a quota
> system, but they do
> want a piece of the ham. After all, conservatives
> don't feel bad about
> inviting other ethnic groups to the picnic. Look
> how they kiss the butts
> of Cuban-Americans.
Now you don't like Cuban-Americans. You are one
strange bigot Henry.
MSP
SOMETIMES THE DARGON WIN
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