Re: Buckwheat's Humiliation - Thousands Rally Against 9/11 Scuzzy Muzzy Trial Set For NY
AnAmericanCitizen
Let's be clear about one thing here: If Obama didn't support Holder's announcement
of holding the terrorists' trials in New York, it wouldn't be happening. Obama just
works overtime to keep a squeaky clean, innocent image and it doesn't work with
anyone with half a brain.
These people should be hounding the White House about this decision.
Obama will get more than an ear full in 2012. It should come back and bite him come
re-election time....AAC
On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:01:17 -0500, Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote:
>http://mobile.reuters.com/mobile/m/FullArticle/CUSN/ndomesticNews_uUSTRE5B41K820091205
>
>Protesters rally against 9/11 trial set for New York
>Sat, Dec 05 2009
>
>NEW YORK (Reuters) - Demonstrators angered by the Obama
>administration's move to prosecute the self-professed mastermind of
>the September 11 attacks in civilian court on U.S. soil called on
>Saturday for the trial to be moved to a military tribunal.
>
>More than 1,000 people braved cold and rain to rally outside the
>Manhattan federal courthouse where Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four
>others will be tried.
>
>Speakers blasted U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder for his decision to
>hold the trials in a court just blocks from the World Trade Center
>site, where thousands of people were killed in the 2001 attacks with
>hijacked planes.
>
>Demonstrators -- among them family members of victims and rescuers--
>held U.S. flags and signs reading "no constitutional rights for enemy
>combatants," and booed and jeered as speakers invoked Holder's name
>and that of President Barack Obama.
>
>"They were murdered ... by the terrorist Khalid Sheikh Mohammed," Edie
>Lutnick, executive director of The Cantor Fitzgerald Relief Fund, said
>of the victims.
>
>Lutnick's brother Howard Lutnick is chief executive of the Cantor
>Fitzgerald brokerage firm that lost two-thirds of its staff -- more
>than 600 people. A brother of theirs died in the attack.
>
>"We will be victims no more," Lutnick said drawing cheers from the
>rally organized by the 9/11 Never Forget Coalition. She called on the
>U.S. Congress to block the trial.
>
>Other speakers, including people who were badly injured on September
>11, blasted the trial as "a multimillion-dollar charade" and an
>"exercise in global Jihadist recruitment" which would only give
>terrorists a platform.
>
>Sixteen years ago "they attacked and we indicted," said former
>assistant U.S. attorney Andy McCarthy, who prosecuted the 1993 World
>Trade Center bombing case, tried at the same federal courthouse in
>lower Manhattan.
>
>"We know it's a war ... You don't bring your enemies to a courthouse,"
>said McCarthy, a contributor to the conservative periodical National
>Review who criticized Obama during the 2008 election campaign for his
>"collaboration with radical, America-hating leftists."
>
>Holder has defended his decision to move the trials from the prison
>camp at the U.S. naval base in Guantanamo Bay in Cuba to a federal
>criminal court in Manhattan, saying the men can be tried fairly and
>successfully in New York.
>
>But the decision has divided the families of victims. Some say the
>trial is an opportunity to face the perpetrators of the September 11
>attacks and help bring closure, but others say the men should be
>treated like war criminals.
>
>No date has been announced for the suspects' transfer to New York or
>their first appearance in court.
Patriot Games
<NoAm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Let's be clear about one thing here: If Obama didn't support Holder's announcement
>of holding the terrorists' trials in New York, it wouldn't be happening. Obama just
>works overtime to keep a squeaky clean, innocent image and it doesn't work with
>anyone with half a brain.
>These people should be hounding the White House about this decision.
>Obama will get more than an ear full in 2012. It should come back and bite him come
>re-election time....AAC
There's no doubt in my mind he's a one-term failure.
However, the TRUE LOSS here is that his abject failure will stain the
legitimacy of a black Presidential candidate for decades.
ray
Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:19:40 -0800, AnAmericanCitizen
> <NoAm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >Let's be clear about one thing here: If Obama didn't support Holder's
> >announcement
> >of holding the terrorists' trials in New York, it wouldn't be happening.
> >Obama just
> >works overtime to keep a squeaky clean, innocent image and it doesn't work
> >with
> >anyone with half a brain.
> >These people should be hounding the White House about this decision.
> >Obama will get more than an ear full in 2012. It should come back and bite
> >him come
> >re-election time....AAC
>
> There's no doubt in my mind he's a one-term failure.
>
> However, the TRUE LOSS here is that his abject failure will stain the
> legitimacy of a black Presidential candidate for decades.
Not so fast. He may have one possible way of gaining favor with the
American public: if the house goes back to Republican leadership, they
would stop any of his idiotic projects from proceeding.
--
Barock Insane Obama: The greatest joke America ever played on itself.
Patriot Games
I am actually expecting something like a DemocRAT sweep next year, not
enough to take over Congress but enough to install hardcore Gridlock.
That gridlock will stop Buckwheat cold and we might be able to claw
back some funding and disable Porkulus and BuckwheatCare.
You could be right, they could blame Republicans and give Buckwheat a
second term with a GOP-controlled Congress...
But I gotta mention that the dissatisfaction with the RINOs is just
getting deeper and stronger and we could be seeing the true, real,
viable, genuine 3rd Party emerging. Not in time for next year's
midterm elections but definitely in time for 2012.
ray
Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote:
The problem is Americans don't pay attention. Let's say this abortion
of a bill goes through, and it causes all kinds of problems. The
Democrats will find a way to blame Republicans.
They put the blame of 911 on Bush and the Republicans even though the
planning of 911 went on during most of Clinton's second term. They
blamed the housing crisis entirely on Bush even though Clinton signed
the CRA expansion before he left office. They blame the Republicans for
the problems with healthcare insurance because of a few CEO's who get a
couple million dollars in bonuses, but not one mention about supporting
their trial lawyer friends. They blamed Republicans for jobs leaving
the US even though they strongly supported the unions and higher taxes.
They even took credit for Welfare Reform even though the entire idea was
put together by Newt and the Republicans.
That's how these guys work. So when this bill screws up this country,
the Democrats will say "We had a great healthcare bill, but the
Republicans forced the Democrats to alter the bill, so it's the
Republicans fault." And the people? They will believe these liars.
Patriot Games
>In article <cov2i5dp6a4a7hvj7...@4ax.com>,
> Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote:
>> >> There's no doubt in my mind he's a one-term failure.
>> >> However, the TRUE LOSS here is that his abject failure will stain the
>> >> legitimacy of a black Presidential candidate for decades.
>> >Not so fast. He may have one possible way of gaining favor with the
>> >American public: if the house goes back to Republican leadership, they
>> >would stop any of his idiotic projects from proceeding.
>> I am actually expecting something like a DemocRAT sweep next year, not
>> enough to take over Congress but enough to install hardcore Gridlock.
>> That gridlock will stop Buckwheat cold and we might be able to claw
>> back some funding and disable Porkulus and BuckwheatCare.
>> You could be right, they could blame Republicans and give Buckwheat a
>> second term with a GOP-controlled Congress...
>> But I gotta mention that the dissatisfaction with the RINOs is just
>> getting deeper and stronger and we could be seeing the true, real,
>> viable, genuine 3rd Party emerging. Not in time for next year's
>> midterm elections but definitely in time for 2012.
>The problem is Americans don't pay attention. Let's say this abortion
>of a bill goes through, and it causes all kinds of problems. The
>Democrats will find a way to blame Republicans.
Naaaaah. Seniors will NEVER forget who went to bat for them and what
the DemocRATs did to them...
>They put the blame of 911 on Bush and the Republicans even though the
>planning of 911 went on during most of Clinton's second term. They
>blamed the housing crisis entirely on Bush even though Clinton signed
>the CRA expansion before he left office. They blame the Republicans for
>the problems with healthcare insurance because of a few CEO's who get a
>couple million dollars in bonuses, but not one mention about supporting
>their trial lawyer friends. They blamed Republicans for jobs leaving
>the US even though they strongly supported the unions and higher taxes.
>They even took credit for Welfare Reform even though the entire idea was
>put together by Newt and the Republicans.
Yes, I completely agree, they do all that blaming.
But I'm telling you it won't matter next year. I posted the analysis
maybe 6 months ago. The ONLY reason Buckwheat won is because the
number of older-white voters who usually vote DID NOT vote.
Yes, more Under-30-White-Collar voters voted than usual but they
weren't the numerical difference. Yes, more Black voters voted than
usual but they weren't the numerical difference. Even COMBINED those
two were not the difference.
The difference was the LACK of older-white voters who usually vote but
DID NOT vote.
I seriouly doubt they will be so indifferent NEXT TIME.
>That's how these guys work. So when this bill screws up this country,
>the Democrats will say "We had a great healthcare bill, but the
>Republicans forced the Democrats to alter the bill, so it's the
>Republicans fault." And the people? They will believe these liars.
Of course some will.
But seniors know better and they will turn out next year and be heard.
ray
Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote:
I like your theory, however, my senior father and I got into this
discussion on Thanksgiving. He's a retired union bricklayer who hated
Bush and also hates big business. They've managed to convince him that
they are going to find this nearly 500 billion in Medicare fraud, and
not Medicare benefits. He believed them. So they are cranking up the
lying machine already to placate our senior citizens in this country.
I told him I could understand a couple million dollars..... maybe a
couple hundred million dollars, but 500 billion????
We concluded the debate when I told him "Pop, if there is 500 billion
dollars in Medicare fraud in this country right now, or in the next ten
years, it goes to show you just how badly our government runs such a
system. And you want them to takeover all healthcare???"
He finished his turkey and stuffing, then changed the subject. LOL!
AnAmericanCitizen
I absolutely agree. Make them mad and they are a very powerful voice....AAC
"Elderly Americans must learn to accept the inconveniences of old age."
..... Harry Reid, Senate Majority Leader
Patriot Games
>In article <b6mai59486030o61e...@4ax.com>,
> Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote:
>> seriouly doubt they will be so indifferent NEXT TIME.
>> >That's how these guys work. So when this bill screws up this country,
>> >the Democrats will say "We had a great healthcare bill, but the
>> >Republicans forced the Democrats to alter the bill, so it's the
>> >Republicans fault." And the people? They will believe these liars.
>> Of course some will.
>> But seniors know better and they will turn out next year and be heard.
>I like your theory, however, my senior father and I got into this
>discussion on Thanksgiving. He's a retired union bricklayer who hated
>Bush and also hates big business.
"Union!"
They ARE the exception. I know some retired union people and they are
conservative, pro-life, pro-gun, hard-working, responsible BUT they
are Union... They vote DemocRAT no matter what!
>They've managed to convince him that
>they are going to find this nearly 500 billion in Medicare fraud, and
>not Medicare benefits. He believed them. So they are cranking up the
>lying machine already to placate our senior citizens in this country.
Of course they will try but I seriously doubt they will succeed...
>I told him I could understand a couple million dollars..... maybe a
>couple hundred million dollars, but 500 billion?
If there was that much waste why did Buckwheat NOT FIND IT YET?
If he had found it and eliminated it he'd be a freaking hero!
He hasn't found squat, he hasn't even tried.
>We concluded the debate when I told him "Pop, if there is 500 billion
>dollars in Medicare fraud in this country right now, or in the next ten
>years, it goes to show you just how badly our government runs such a
>system. And you want them to takeover all healthcare???"
Bwahahahahahahaha!!!
>He finished his turkey and stuffing, then changed the subject. LOL!
He's Union... Its like being brainwashed... I know a guy whose Uncle
is a retired Goodyear Union tiremaker. Thats what he did. He pulled
tires off some machine and stacked 'em in a pile. He pulled tires off
some machine and stacked 'em in a pile all day. He pulled tires off
some machine and stacked 'em in a pile all day, every day. He pulled
tires off some machine and stacked 'em in a pile, all day, every day,
all week. He pulled tires off some machine and stacked 'em in a pile,
all day, every day, all week, all month. He pulled tires off some
machine and stacked 'em in a pile, all day, every day, all week, all
month, for 30 years. They paid him $85,000 a year to pull tires off
some machine and stacked 'em in a pile. When his son, the guy I know,
graduated college and got a Ph.D. and got $50,000 to be an Instructor
at the United States Naval Academy he FINALLY admitted that he was
grossly overpaid and that Unions have helped destroy America.
But he still votes DemocRAT...
Union workers are DemocRAT Slaves.
(And they know it.)
(And they HATE IT when they know you know it.)
ray
Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote:
It is the truth. When I was a teen in the 70's, I was in a band, and
the other guitar player was a little older than I was. He had the
finest guitars and drove around in a sports car. He worked at the steel
mills here in Cleveland.
One day, he asked if I wanted to take a ride with him to work so he
could pick up his paycheck, so I went along for the ride. I knew he
worked on the trains at the steel company, but I didn't know what his
job was. When I asked, he told me he was a fireman. So I asked "what
the hell is a fireman on a train do?" He told me that the fireman
shoveled coal into the engine to make it run. Confused, I said "they
don't have trains like that anymore.... do they?" He said "No, but the
union states you have to have a fireman on every train."
His job was to ride around on a train all day and do absolutely nothing.
And..... he had to work all kinds of overtime.
I met another guy that worked at the mills. He was the neighbor of a
friend I hung around with in my later teen years. He was a welder, and
every time he and his wife got into a fight, he would go to work. They
had a nice room set up there complete with beds, televisions, a
refrigerator and a stove.
While they were fighting, he would punch in as "on call" and live there
for a while until he and his wife resolved their issues. They paid him
time and a half for as long as he lived there. So I asked if he ever
had to work while on call. He told me they may call him once or twice a
week, but other than that, he hung around getting paid all kinds of
money for watching television. He told me that he actually believed
that his wife would start fights just so he would hang around work and
make money she could spend.
Now the mills are closed, and we have one that survived, but of course,
not the same company. Today, these guys really have to work their asses
off. And even they understand how that antics of years before closed
most of the plants in the area. Unions.
Patriot Games
I should be happier that they now understand how they screwed America
but I am forced to admit I'm happier that their lives suck more now!
There was a time decades ago when we needed what Unionization brought
because corrupt DemocRAT politicians weren't helping Labor because
they were taking it backdoor from corrupt DemocRAT businesses.
But those times came and went.
We have the legislation (more than we actually need).
And with the Legislation in place we now need to BAN Unions.
John Q Public
I say don't ban em, free marketize em!
1. Open financial statements for all members just like companies.
2. Restrict what union funds can be used for
3. Portability - If you don't like your union you can fire em (Via
secret ballot) for another
and take your dues paid with ya to new union
4. Restrict what unions can do like:
a. No more demands company has minimum staffing for non-existent jobs
b. No more making business decisions for their employer
c. No strikes for wages if members are at 65% of average wage for
that class of work
d. Not Demand company use specific suppliers (Be it for racial
quotas or Unionized Comp.)
5. Let unions run the healthcare and retirement plans on their own with
a fixed cost coming
from the company, that way they themselves have to answer to their
members when costs
go up due to the assholes they help elect or their retirement funds
go down for same
reason.
Just a thought, not necessarily complete but, worth the thought!
ray
Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote:
Agreed. When unions first started, they were a good thing. But
eventually, they evolved into dictating what an employee earns, what
kind of benefits the company has to provide, who gets promoted, and even
idiotic benefits of what a union employee gets after he or she is long
gone from the company on retirement.
As a truck driver who delivered to these auto companies, I can't tell
you the joy I get when these union jerks get on the news and tell us how
awful it is that people like myself by Japanese cars. When I think back
to the days when I would have one pallet or crate of material.... was
the only truck in the dock, and they made me wait there for hours until
they took that one item off, I have no feelings for these people. At
times, I would tell the tow motor driver how I just wanted to get home,
and he would laugh at me. Well..... I'm laughing now, because I still
have my non-union job, and they are out crying the blues. And these
union truck drivers??? They are knocking on my employers door begging
for a job.
Patriot Games
wrote:
>On 2009-12-20 11:45:19 -0500, Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> said:
>> On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:55:28 -0500, ray <xxxr...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> In article <fbhdi5tlg4ooaqicg...@4ax.com>,
The problem is that more laws means more gov't, more gov't means more
DemocRATs, and more DemocRATs means more of everything screwed up...
But if we can't ban unions your ideas above are the next best thing!!
Patriot Games
Not exactly overflowing with the American Spirit are they!
>Well..... I'm laughing now, because I still
>have my non-union job, and they are out crying the blues.
hahahahahahahah!!
>And these
>union truck drivers??? They are knocking on my employers door begging
>for a job.
HAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAH!!!!
I can't have much sympathy for 'em, they mostly did it to themselves.
I once hired a person as a computer systems analyst. The resume
looked good. Background check was clean. So he was working for about
6 months and inquired about a raise. I said 'No chance.' After about
14 months he inquired again. I explained that I don't pay people, I
pay for a Job. If the Job changes then revisiting the salary is (of
course) required. If not then feel free to justify how the same
person doing the same type of work and the same amount of work would
have earned a raise just because time passed? (I made it habit of
hiring only the best people and paying more than regional average top
salaries so I could get and keep the best people.)
I outlined a career path for him, we made Goals and Objectives, and in
a month or two he quit. He got a job with a competitor that paid less
but was less demanding... ;)