A prominent U.S. Catholic nuns group said it was "stunned" that the
Vatican reprimanded it for spending too much time on poverty and
social justice concerns and not enough on abortion and gay marriage.
In a stinging report on Wednesday, the Vatican said the Leadership
Conference of Women Religious had been "silent on the right to life"
and had failed to make the "Biblical view of family life and human
sexuality" a central plank in its agenda. It accused the group of
promoting "certain radical feminist themes incompatible with the
Catholic faith."
It also reprimanded American nuns for expressing positions on
political issues that differed, at times, from views held by American
bishops. Public disagreement with the bishops -- "who are the church's
authentic teachers of faith and morals" -- is unacceptable, the report
said.
***************************
So Nuns are to do less for helping the poor and disadvantaged. They
should get involved in politics. Didn't Christ help people and stay
out of politics?
Well we know where the stands now. It isn't with Christ.
Maybe it is an effort to teach what's actually in the Bible, Instead of taking the word of true believers in the Church of an
Ever Expanding Government.
The Christian Bible
New International Version
1 Corinthians 11
3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ,
and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
1 Corinthians 14
34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not
allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35
If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own
husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in
the church.
Ephesians 5
22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the
Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the
head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as
the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their
husbands in everything.
1 Timothy 2
12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over
a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.
Titus 2
4 Then [the older women] can urge the younger women to love their
husbands and children, 5 to be self-controlled and pure, to be
busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands.
Genesis 2
18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I
will make a helper suitable for him."
> A prominent U.S. Catholic nuns group said it was "stunned" that the
> Vatican reprimanded it for spending too much time on poverty and
> social justice concerns and not enough on abortion and gay marriage.
> In a stinging report on Wednesday, the Vatican said the Leadership
> Conference of Women Religious had been "silent on the right to life"
> and had failed to make the "Biblical view of family life and human
> sexuality" a central plank in its agenda. It accused the group of
> promoting "certain radical feminist themes incompatible with the
> Catholic faith."
> It also reprimanded American nuns for expressing positions on
> political issues that differed, at times, from views held by American
> bishops. Public disagreement with the bishops -- "who are the church's
> authentic teachers of faith and morals" -- is unacceptable, the report
> said.
> ***************************
> So Nuns are to do less for helping the poor and disadvantaged. They
> should get involved in politics. Didn't Christ help people and stay
> out of politics?
> Well we know where the stands now. It isn't with Christ.
"In a very dark China Blue, China Blue condition." <chine.bleu
yahoo.com> wrote: > John Doe <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote: >> 1 Corinthians 11
> Paul had his own issues with women.
Says a true believer in the Church of an Ever Expanding
Government.
> In the Gospels, the people who travel with Jesus are men and
> women,
I would argue that if I wanted to drive a wedge between men and
women.
> Jesus helps men and women,
I would think so. But your Church of an Ever Expanding Government
only pretends to help women.
> and the first person to learn of his resurrection was a woman.
I love that part, however irrelevant it is to this discussion.
Your Church of an Ever Expanding Government promotes sex warfare among ordinary people. Women's "rights" is being used to divide and conquer ordinary people. No doubt some women enjoy being used, even though it is hurting them and everything around them.
--
>> 18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I
>> will make a helper suitable for him."
> As I heard it, Eve was not made from a bone in Adam's foot to grovel beneath > him, nor from a bone in his head to lord above him, but from a bone from his > side, to side beside him and walk with him.
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"In a very dark China Blue, China Blue condition." <chine.bleu
yahoo.com> wrote: > John Doe <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
>> Your Church of an Ever Expanding Government promotes sex warfare >> among ordinary people. Women's "rights" is being used to divide >> and conquer ordinary people. No doubt some women enjoy being used, >> even though it is hurting them and everything around them.
> So you're another clown
Says a troll who is so afraid to let other people know what she/it really is (as in "liar"), it uses the no-archive switch to hide
its posts.
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> You flamed my father. | I'm whoever you want me to be.
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> Stop posting that! | At least I can stay in character.
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> Maybe it is an effort to teach what's actually in the Bible,
> Instead of taking the word of true believers in the Church of an
> Ever Expanding Government.
The Vatican is a "Church of an Ever Expanding Government"?
> 3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ,
> and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
> 1 Corinthians 14
> 34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not
> allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35
> If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own
> husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in
> the church.
> Ephesians 5
> 22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the
> Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the
> head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as
> the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their
> husbands in everything.
> 1 Timothy 2
> 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over
> a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.
> Titus 2
> 4 Then [the older women] can urge the younger women to love their
> husbands and children, 5 to be self-controlled and pure, to be
> busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands.
> Genesis 2
> 18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I
> will make a helper suitable for him."
> > A prominent U.S. Catholic nuns group said it was "stunned" that the
> > Vatican reprimanded it for spending too much time on poverty and
> > social justice concerns and not enough on abortion and gay marriage.
> > In a stinging report on Wednesday, the Vatican said the Leadership
> > Conference of Women Religious had been "silent on the right to life"
> > and had failed to make the "Biblical view of family life and human
> > sexuality" a central plank in its agenda. It accused the group of
> > promoting "certain radical feminist themes incompatible with the
> > Catholic faith."
> > It also reprimanded American nuns for expressing positions on
> > political issues that differed, at times, from views held by American
> > bishops. Public disagreement with the bishops -- "who are the church's
> > authentic teachers of faith and morals" -- is unacceptable, the report
> > said.
> > ***************************
> > So Nuns are to do less for helping the poor and disadvantaged. They
> > should get involved in politics. Didn't Christ help people and stay
> > out of politics?
> > Well we know where the stands now. It isn't with Christ.
> In article <jmtcjd$p9...@dont-email.me>, John Doe <j...@usenetlove.invalid>
> wrote:
> > 1 Corinthians 11
> Paul had his own issues with women. In the Gospels, the people who travel with
> Jesus are men and women, Jesus helps men and women, and the first person to
> learn of his resurrection was a woman.
> > 18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I
> > will make a helper suitable for him."
> As I heard it, Eve was not made from a bone in Adam's foot to grovel beneath
> him, nor from a bone in his head to lord above him, but from a bone from his
> side, to side beside him and walk with him.
But, to show the second class status, got made ... second.
>> 3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ,
>> and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
>> 1 Corinthians 14
>> 34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not
>> allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35
>> If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own
>> husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in
>> the church.
>> Ephesians 5
>> 22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the
>> Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the
>> head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as
>> the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their
>> husbands in everything.
>> 1 Timothy 2
>> 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over
>> a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.
>> Titus 2
>> 4 Then [the older women] can urge the younger women to love their
>> husbands and children, 5 to be self-controlled and pure, to be
>> busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands.
>> Genesis 2
>> 18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I
>> will make a helper suitable for him."
On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:48:50 +0000 (UTC), John Doe
<j...@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
>A disciple of the Church of an Ever Expanding Government...
I posted this to the Christian group hoping someone there would
counter this action by the Pope. Guess helping the poor and helpless
was just something Christ did and has no place in modern Christianity.
Guess politics and control is what Christ was all about. Well
according the silence from Christians here.
>> On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:48:50 +0000 (UTC), John Doe
>> <j...@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
>> >A disciple of the Church of an Ever Expanding Government...
>> I posted this to the Christian group hoping someone there would
>> counter this action by the Pope. Guess helping the poor and helpless
>> was just something Christ did and has no place in modern Christianity.
>Protestants and Eastern churches ignore the pope already. The nuns can leave >their church with no fear of being tried as apostates. This is internal to >Catholics.
>> Guess politics and control is what Christ was all about. Well
>> according the silence from Christians here.
>Protestants rejected the pope and all his teaching a long time ago. This isn't >their fight..
Yes it is. It shows a group that rejects the teaching of Christ as
many evangelicals do also.
Good to see you do except some extreme right wing views. Sadly I
totally reject not helping and saying it is Christ way.
I'm sure those that follow Islam use some lame excuse to except
Islamist also. You do. What was your last excuse for terrorist being
OK?? Something about the past like 50 years ago.
>> >Protestants rejected the pope and all his teaching a long time ago. This >> >isn't >> >their fight..
>> Yes it is. It shows a group that rejects the teaching of Christ as
>> many evangelicals do also.
>The nuns can leave their church anytime they want. Their pope can change his >opinion anytime he wants. Outside groups have nothing at stake in this.
The poor they will stop helping do. Where is your liberal
humanity. Guess the poor involved don't count, not part of the
liberal agenda. Right or left people need help from time to time.
>> I'm sure those that follow Islam use some lame excuse to except
>> Islamist also. You do. What was your last excuse for terrorist being
>> OK?? Something about the past like 50 years ago.
>You can get people more excited if the dissidents can be executed as apostates. >The nuns aren't facing that.
They haven't rejected that hate filled man's orders yet. I hope
they do but then the pope would take all they have. Inquisition did
that.
MattB. <trdell1234 gmail.com.......> wrote: > I posted this to the Christian group hoping someone there would > counter this action by the Pope. Guess helping the poor and
> helpless was just something Christ did and has no place in
> modern Christianity.
Or maybe your definition of "helping the poor and helpless"
doesn't correspond with what Christ actually did.
>> I posted this to the Christian group hoping someone there would >> counter this action by the Pope. Guess helping the poor and
>> helpless was just something Christ did and has no place in
>> modern Christianity.
>Or maybe your definition of "helping the poor and helpless"
>doesn't correspond with what Christ actually did.
That is always possible
Then again do you think Christ was mainly concerned with politics?
> A prominent U.S. Catholic nuns group said it was "stunned" that the
> Vatican reprimanded it for spending too much time on poverty and
> social justice concerns and not enough on abortion and gay
MattB. <trdell1234 gmail.com.......> wrote: > John Doe <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote: >> MattB. <trdell1234 gmail.com.......> wrote:
>>> I posted this to the Christian group hoping someone there
>>> would counter this action by the Pope. Guess helping the poor
>>> and helpless was just something Christ did and has no place in >>> modern Christianity.
>> Or maybe your definition of "helping the poor and helpless" >> doesn't correspond with what Christ actually did.
> That is always possible
> Then again do you think Christ was mainly concerned with
> politics?
I think the Bible includes some very relevant stuff. For
example... The reason the husband is specified as head of
household (with police power) is because he is more physically
capable. At the same time... The reason the Church of an Ever
Expanding Government forces equality between a husband and wife is
because the church knows it won't work. Dictating that a wife
shall be equal to her husband goes against the natural order of
things, requires government intervention, and helps government get
bigger. We are seeing the product of that. And the ruling class is
looking down on us musing about how uncivilized we are, while they
are making the problem worse.
Matthew 12:29
"Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man’s house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can plunder his house."
> In article<jmthjg$9q...@dont-email.me>, John Doe<j...@usenetlove.invalid>
> wrote:
>> "In a very dark China Blue, China Blue condition."<chine.bleu
>> yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> John Doe<jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Your Church of an Ever Expanding Government promotes sex warfare
>>>> among ordinary people. Women's "rights" is being used to divide
>>>> and conquer ordinary people. No doubt some women enjoy being used,
>>>> even though it is hurting them and everything around them.
>>> So you're another clown
>> Says a troll who is so afraid to let other people know what she/it
>> really is (as in "liar"), it uses the no-archive switch to hide
>> its posts.
> I'm whatever you want me to be, dearheart.
The church can be archaic and a throwback to the stone age,
some men among the flock feel threatened by the intelligence
of the females.
I saw your signature...Indigo is a very pretty name, not often
seen or heard.
Rod <nhrafan1 gmail.com> wrote:
> In a very dark China Blue, China Blue condition. wrote: >> ...
> The church can be archaic and a throwback to the stone age, > some men among the flock feel threatened by the intelligence > of the females.
If you are so intelligent... Why is the ruling class patriarchal
while bestowing women's "rights" on the rest of us? Why isn't
order and discipline required in a home as much as it is anyplace
else in society? Why are ordinary people treated like children,
requiring a police officer to be their tiebreaker?
> I saw your signature...Indigo is a very pretty name, not
> often seen or heard.
>> In a very dark China Blue, China Blue condition. wrote:
>>> ...
>> The church can be archaic and a throwback to the stone age,
>> some men among the flock feel threatened by the intelligence
>> of the females.
> If you are so intelligent... Why is the ruling class patriarchal
> while bestowing women's "rights" on the rest of us? Why isn't
> order and discipline required in a home as much as it is anyplace
> else in society? Why are ordinary people treated like children,
> requiring a police officer to be their tiebreaker?
>> I saw your signature...Indigo is a very pretty name, not
>> often seen or heard.
> Her dick is bigger than yours.
Got your own business, do you ? I don't want to know..
I was only being honest and nice, no ulterior motives.
> A prominent U.S. Catholic nuns group said it was "stunned" that the
> Vatican reprimanded it for spending too much time on poverty and
> social justice concerns and not enough on abortion and gay marriage.
> ...
> ***************************
> So Nuns are to do less for helping the poor and disadvantaged. They
> should get involved in politics. Didn't Christ help people and stay
> out of politics?
> Well we know where the stands now. It isn't with Christ.
The Catholic church is a dictatorship, and has been for nearly 2000 years. Unlike political dictatorships, however, nobody is (no longer) *FORCED* to obey the Church.
The current Pope said something along the lines that the Church is not a democracy, that it represents eternal values and is not subject to modern ideological fads. If one believes homosexuality and female priests are sins, they were sins 2000 years ago and will still be sins 2000 years hence.
Not that I'm defending Catholicism or any other religion in any way: But as an American I respect the First Amendment right to freedom of association, and this implies freedom FROM association -- the freedom to believe whatever you want without others dictating that you must modify your beliefs to conform to modern notions of equality.
If the nuns in this case do not like Catholic teachings on abortion and same-sex marriage, they are free to renounce their membership and join another religion, or start their own religion and teach whatever they want. If they want to remain members of the Catholic church, they must abide by its teachings, the most important of which is a hierarchical structure with a Pope on top who purportedly speaks for God. If the Pope says it, the nuns *MUST* obey it -- at least if they wish to remain members of their church.
