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MattB
Nov 15, 2012, 12:28:59 PM11/15/12
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Meet The New GOP, Same As The Old GOP?
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/11/14/165163103/meet-the-new-gop-same-as-the-old-gop
There has been no dearth of post-election Republican
self-flagellation.
Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, on the eve of heading out to a meeting of
Republican governors in Las Vegas, warned the GOP to "stop being the
stupid party." At the gathering Wednesday night, he leveled more harsh
criticism at party presidential candidate Mitt Romney.
Ronald Reagan biographer and conservative adviser Craig Shirley
derided his party's message as incoherent "at best."
Others, including analyst Charlie Cook in a post-election briefing,
have suggested that the party's dismal performance with Hispanic and
younger voters suggests it may be well served by replacing Republican
National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus with a higher-profile
leader in the mode of Democratic chairman Bob Strauss in the 1970s, or
GOP chairman Haley Barbour in the 1990s.
Shirley, in an interview Wednesday, agreed: "The Republican Party
suffered reversals across the board. The party needs a new approach."
But the party is still sorting out solutions, wrangling over whether
its problems lie in its positions on issues ranging from immigration
to women's reproductive health, or simply its sales job with the
voting public.
In the meantime, Priebus, the Wisconsin lawyer elected party chairman
in early 2011 when he successfully challenged Michael Steele, will
likely seek a second term in January — and is being urged to do so by
influential party members.
Priebus is expected to announce his intentions soon.
"He inherited a total, unmitigated disaster from Michael Steele," the
former Maryland lieutenant governor who ran the RNC for two years,
says Jack Oliver, who was national finance vice chairman for the 2004
George W. Bush-Dick Cheney campaign, finance director for Bush's 2000
campaign, and served as deputy chairman of the RNC during the 2002
midterm elections.
"He straightened the ship," says Oliver, a senior adviser for Bryan
Cave and Barclays Capital.
Oliver and others, including Bill Greener, a former communications
director and political operations staffer at the RNC, say that people
within the party recognize the skill Priebus brought to putting the
committee on competitive financial footing after inheriting $20
million in debt, and his tactical skills that will be needed to
improve the party's get out the vote effort, which was swamped by
President Obama's operation.
"I think Reince did a very, very strong job as chairman," says
Greener, a strategist who advises politicians and corporations.
"I don't believe in saying, 'Let's hang them,'" he said of Priebus, as
well as GOP House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Minority Leader
Mitch McConnell. "I don't think you can negate the multitude of good
things those three individuals have done."
"In terms of where the party goes next, we need to be smart, we need
to look into all sorts of things, and we need to not overreact,"
Greener says.
Worth nothing, as Steele, the party's first African-American chairman,
did this week: Though criticized for the debt he left after he lost
his bid to remain party chairman, Steele says his own legacy included
something more important — "winning." The party during his tenure
delivered unto Democrats a 2010 midterm "shellacking," to use Obama's
word. Republicans won control of the House, picking up 63 seats, along
with five Senate seats.
................................
The Big Fix
Many have referred to the election as one of "status quo" because the
essential balance of power remained the same. A Democrat in the White
House, a Senate controlled by Democrats, and a House by Republicans.
And, perhaps, Priebus still chairing a flailing party.
That, however, understates what happened on Nov. 6.
Greener says the big challenges faced by the party has now been
"verified and corroborated by the data."
The shift from the party of omission to one of inclusion looms larger
than any mechanical fix Priebus and other tacticians have to tackle.
"That's a party-wide issue," Oliver says. "It takes Bobby Jindal and
other great governors across the country. It takes [Florida's] Marco
Rubio and [Ohio's] Rob Portman and others in the Senate. It takes
Speaker Boehner driving his caucus to see the demographics are
changing."
"We don't have to change our party, but we have to move forward and be
inclusive," he says.
But that is a type of change, and fundamentally different than the
party that just lost the White House, and lost ground in the Senate, a
party struggling to define conservatism going forward and with a
restive base bitterly divided on just how that should play out.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/11/14/165163103/meet-the-new-gop-same-as-the-old-gop
There has been no dearth of post-election Republican
self-flagellation.
Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, on the eve of heading out to a meeting of
Republican governors in Las Vegas, warned the GOP to "stop being the
stupid party." At the gathering Wednesday night, he leveled more harsh
criticism at party presidential candidate Mitt Romney.
Ronald Reagan biographer and conservative adviser Craig Shirley
derided his party's message as incoherent "at best."
Others, including analyst Charlie Cook in a post-election briefing,
have suggested that the party's dismal performance with Hispanic and
younger voters suggests it may be well served by replacing Republican
National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus with a higher-profile
leader in the mode of Democratic chairman Bob Strauss in the 1970s, or
GOP chairman Haley Barbour in the 1990s.
Shirley, in an interview Wednesday, agreed: "The Republican Party
suffered reversals across the board. The party needs a new approach."
But the party is still sorting out solutions, wrangling over whether
its problems lie in its positions on issues ranging from immigration
to women's reproductive health, or simply its sales job with the
voting public.
In the meantime, Priebus, the Wisconsin lawyer elected party chairman
in early 2011 when he successfully challenged Michael Steele, will
likely seek a second term in January — and is being urged to do so by
influential party members.
Priebus is expected to announce his intentions soon.
"He inherited a total, unmitigated disaster from Michael Steele," the
former Maryland lieutenant governor who ran the RNC for two years,
says Jack Oliver, who was national finance vice chairman for the 2004
George W. Bush-Dick Cheney campaign, finance director for Bush's 2000
campaign, and served as deputy chairman of the RNC during the 2002
midterm elections.
"He straightened the ship," says Oliver, a senior adviser for Bryan
Cave and Barclays Capital.
Oliver and others, including Bill Greener, a former communications
director and political operations staffer at the RNC, say that people
within the party recognize the skill Priebus brought to putting the
committee on competitive financial footing after inheriting $20
million in debt, and his tactical skills that will be needed to
improve the party's get out the vote effort, which was swamped by
President Obama's operation.
"I think Reince did a very, very strong job as chairman," says
Greener, a strategist who advises politicians and corporations.
"I don't believe in saying, 'Let's hang them,'" he said of Priebus, as
well as GOP House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Minority Leader
Mitch McConnell. "I don't think you can negate the multitude of good
things those three individuals have done."
"In terms of where the party goes next, we need to be smart, we need
to look into all sorts of things, and we need to not overreact,"
Greener says.
Worth nothing, as Steele, the party's first African-American chairman,
did this week: Though criticized for the debt he left after he lost
his bid to remain party chairman, Steele says his own legacy included
something more important — "winning." The party during his tenure
delivered unto Democrats a 2010 midterm "shellacking," to use Obama's
word. Republicans won control of the House, picking up 63 seats, along
with five Senate seats.
................................
The Big Fix
Many have referred to the election as one of "status quo" because the
essential balance of power remained the same. A Democrat in the White
House, a Senate controlled by Democrats, and a House by Republicans.
And, perhaps, Priebus still chairing a flailing party.
That, however, understates what happened on Nov. 6.
Greener says the big challenges faced by the party has now been
"verified and corroborated by the data."
The shift from the party of omission to one of inclusion looms larger
than any mechanical fix Priebus and other tacticians have to tackle.
"That's a party-wide issue," Oliver says. "It takes Bobby Jindal and
other great governors across the country. It takes [Florida's] Marco
Rubio and [Ohio's] Rob Portman and others in the Senate. It takes
Speaker Boehner driving his caucus to see the demographics are
changing."
"We don't have to change our party, but we have to move forward and be
inclusive," he says.
But that is a type of change, and fundamentally different than the
party that just lost the White House, and lost ground in the Senate, a
party struggling to define conservatism going forward and with a
restive base bitterly divided on just how that should play out.
Eddie Haskell
Nov 15, 2012, 12:42:17 PM11/15/12
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"MattB" <trdell1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:o59aa85a867enckl7...@4ax.com...
> Meet The New GOP, Same As The Old GOP?
>
> http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/11/14/165163103/meet-the-new-gop-same-as-the-old-gop
>
> There has been no dearth of post-election Republican
> self-flagellation.
>
> Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, on the eve of heading out to a meeting of
> Republican governors in Las Vegas, warned the GOP to "stop being the
> stupid party."
He's talking about you, MattB.
>
> http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/11/14/165163103/meet-the-new-gop-same-as-the-old-gop
>
> There has been no dearth of post-election Republican
> self-flagellation.
>
> Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, on the eve of heading out to a meeting of
> Republican governors in Las Vegas, warned the GOP to "stop being the
> stupid party."
-Eddie Haskell
> At the gathering Wednesday night, he leveled more harsh
> criticism at party presidential candidate Mitt Romney.
>
> Ronald Reagan biographer and conservative adviser Craig Shirley
> derided his party's message as incoherent "at best."
>
> Others, including analyst Charlie Cook in a post-election briefing,
> have suggested that the party's dismal performance with Hispanic and
> younger voters suggests it may be well served by replacing Republican
> National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus with a higher-profile
> leader in the mode of Democratic chairman Bob Strauss in the 1970s, or
> GOP chairman Haley Barbour in the 1990s.
>
> Shirley, in an interview Wednesday, agreed: "The Republican Party
> suffered reversals across the board. The party needs a new approach."
>
> But the party is still sorting out solutions, wrangling over whether
> its problems lie in its positions on issues ranging from immigration
> to women's reproductive health, or simply its sales job with the
> voting public.
>
> In the meantime, Priebus, the Wisconsin lawyer elected party chairman
> in early 2011 when he successfully challenged Michael Steele, will
Dänk 42Ø
Nov 15, 2012, 12:42:15 PM11/15/12
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:28:59 -0800, MattB wrote:
> Meet The New GOP, Same As The Old GOP?
>
> http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/11/14/165163103/meet-the-
new-gop-same-as-the-old-gop
>
> There has been no dearth of post-election Republican self-flagellation.
>
> Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, on the eve of heading out to a meeting of
> Republican governors in Las Vegas, warned the GOP to "stop being the
> stupid party." At the gathering Wednesday night, he leveled more harsh
> criticism at party presidential candidate Mitt Romney.
>
> Ronald Reagan biographer and conservative adviser Craig Shirley derided
> his party's message as incoherent "at best."
And when their message is coherent, it is theofascist Christian crap.
> Meet The New GOP, Same As The Old GOP?
>
> http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/11/14/165163103/meet-the-
new-gop-same-as-the-old-gop
>
> There has been no dearth of post-election Republican self-flagellation.
>
> Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, on the eve of heading out to a meeting of
> Republican governors in Las Vegas, warned the GOP to "stop being the
> stupid party." At the gathering Wednesday night, he leveled more harsh
> criticism at party presidential candidate Mitt Romney.
>
> Ronald Reagan biographer and conservative adviser Craig Shirley derided
> his party's message as incoherent "at best."
The Republican Party could begin its rehabilitation by acknowledging the
existence of George W. Bush and his presidency. He is the sole reason
Barack Obama was elected, because Bush was so hated and Obama ran on a
platform of Not Being Bush. Once they have acknowledged that Bush did
indeed exist, they must apologize for his crimes and for refusing to
impeach him. This should be followed by a purge of the theofascists,
perhaps spinning them off into a new party where they can thump their
bibles all they want without causing any damage.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
"George W. Bush had vanished. A morning came, and he was missing from
work: a few thoughtless people commented on his absence. On the next day
nobody mentioned him. On the third day Winston went into the vestibule of
the Records Department to look at the notice-board. One of the notices
carried a printed list of the members of the Idiot Committee, of whom
George W. Bush had been one. It looked almost exactly as it had looked
before -- nothing had been crossed out -- but it was one name shorter. It
was enough. George W. Bush had ceased to exist: he had never existed."
-- 1984 (rectified edition)
Eddie Haskell
Nov 15, 2012, 12:51:30 PM11/15/12
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"Dänk 42Ø" <da...@purpleurkel.com> wrote in message
news:Qr-dnVcXWa7qtDjN...@earthlink.com...
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:28:59 -0800, MattB wrote:
>
>> Meet The New GOP, Same As The Old GOP?
>>
>> http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/11/14/165163103/meet-the-
> new-gop-same-as-the-old-gop
>>
>> There has been no dearth of post-election Republican self-flagellation.
>>
>> Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, on the eve of heading out to a meeting of
>> Republican governors in Las Vegas, warned the GOP to "stop being the
>> stupid party." At the gathering Wednesday night, he leveled more harsh
>> criticism at party presidential candidate Mitt Romney.
>>
>> Ronald Reagan biographer and conservative adviser Craig Shirley derided
>> his party's message as incoherent "at best."
>
> And when their message is coherent, it is theofascist Christian crap.
>
> The Republican Party could begin its rehabilitation by acknowledging the
> existence of George W. Bush and his presidency. He is the sole reason
> Barack Obama was elected, because Bush was so hated and Obama ran on a
> platform of Not Being Bush. Once they have acknowledged that Bush did
> indeed exist, they must apologize for his crimes and for refusing to
> impeach him.
Yawn.. The problem was not Bush. The problem is that the left is no more
>
>> Meet The New GOP, Same As The Old GOP?
>>
>> http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/11/14/165163103/meet-the-
> new-gop-same-as-the-old-gop
>>
>> There has been no dearth of post-election Republican self-flagellation.
>>
>> Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, on the eve of heading out to a meeting of
>> Republican governors in Las Vegas, warned the GOP to "stop being the
>> stupid party." At the gathering Wednesday night, he leveled more harsh
>> criticism at party presidential candidate Mitt Romney.
>>
>> Ronald Reagan biographer and conservative adviser Craig Shirley derided
>> his party's message as incoherent "at best."
>
> And when their message is coherent, it is theofascist Christian crap.
>
> The Republican Party could begin its rehabilitation by acknowledging the
> existence of George W. Bush and his presidency. He is the sole reason
> Barack Obama was elected, because Bush was so hated and Obama ran on a
> platform of Not Being Bush. Once they have acknowledged that Bush did
> indeed exist, they must apologize for his crimes and for refusing to
> impeach him.
than a fascist DNC / MSM cabal reliant on lies smears and character
assassination, and they smeared Bush into the ground for 8 long years making
him the most maligned man in human history.
Just look at the difference in the coverage of Sandy and Katrina. If Bush or
any other republican were in office they'd be smearing him into the ground
over Sandy, but cover for Hussein with all they've got.
It will be the same with any republican no matter what they do, and that's
why it's important to stand up to it rather than capitulate just to seem
reasonable to fascists.
You and MattB should get a room.
-Eddie Haskell
Message has been deleted
man behind the curtain
Nov 15, 2012, 9:35:02 PM11/15/12
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In article <spvaa8p69pha0cq2d...@4ax.com>,
Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:28:59 -0800, MattB <trdell1...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >There has been no dearth of post-election Republican
> >self-flagellation.
> >
> >Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, on the eve of heading out to a meeting of
> >Republican governors in Las Vegas, warned the GOP to "stop being the
> >stupid party." At the gathering Wednesday night, he leveled more harsh
> >criticism at party presidential candidate Mitt Romney.
> >
> >Ronald Reagan biographer and conservative adviser Craig Shirley
> >derided his party's message as incoherent "at best."
>
> Christsakes, you goofy moron
>
> I've been telling you that for months.....
and; is this old news or what?
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-banks-campaign-20121110,0,3895511
,full.column
* Column: Reality Crashes the Republican Party *
For Republicans wondering what went wrong, it's not a matter of
fine-tuning a message or finding minority candidates; the problem is
a platform that staked out the far-right fringe on many issues.
by Sandy Banks
November 9, 2012, 4:04 p.m.
It turns out this presidential election wasn't so much about race
after all, but about something bigger, more fundamental and harder to
ignore. And there's a lesson here for shellshocked Republicans, still
wondering how things went so wrong:
It's time to drop that "Take our country back" stuff and take your
party back instead.
Barack Obama's romp took many by surprise. Even as Obama votes piled
up on Tuesday night, political operative Dick Morris, who has worked
both sides of the aisle, kept predicting a Mitt Romney landslide.
It's hard to argue with the demographic dimensions of Obama's victory.
He won in almost every category of voters except senior citizens and
white men.
That's led to lots of head-banging for GOP pundits: Romney might have
won, they say, if he had eased up on illegal immigration and found a
running mate who could attract Latinos or draw votes in swing states.
But this is not a matter of fine-tuning the message or rustling up a
candidate with brown skin or serviceable Spanish.
The problem is a platform that staked out the far-right fringe on so
many issues that it turned off immigrants, women, minorities, single
mothers, young people, gays and lesbians.
The images of winners and losers on election night said it all: the
Norman Rockwell tableau in Romney's sullen Boston ballroom versus the
kaleidoscopic diversity of Obama's Chicago victory montage.
The America the Republicans want is not the one we have.
Conventional wisdom would credit the win to smart campaigning and
coalition-building.
According to exit polls, support for Obama came from 93% of blacks,
71% of Latinos, 73% of Asian Americans, 76% of gays and lesbians, 60%
of voters under 30 and 55% of women.
But that is not your classic ideological coalition, with shared
interests and concerns. That's a collection of folks alienated, over
time, by Republicans and their mission to return America to an era
when some people had it really good -- and whole groups of others had
to settle for leftovers.
Voters carried those slights and insults to the voting booth, tired of
being treated with contempt by a party that doesn't seem to understand
their realities.
We're rejecting hypocritical rhetoric: Newt Gingrich, with three
marriages and a string of infidelities, arguing that allowing gays to
wed violates the sanctity of marriage.
Women heard a wake-up call in Todd Akin's remarks about rape shutting
a woman's body down. That kind of idiocy is frightening, and it brings
clarity to what's at stake in the debate over abortion.
And young people rebelled at being written off as society's leeches.
They are working full time for poverty wages or desperate for jobs
that don't exist, part of that sponger demographic -- the 47% -- that
Romney privately mocked.
I don't know if it's mean-spirited, shortsighted or simply wishful
thinking, but the Republican Party is pandering to a base that is
rapidly shrinking in a country that's learning to tune them out.
It would be nice to think that this botched campaign reflects the pull
of the party's fringe, and is easily correctable.
But the GOP has been tacking right for decades. Obama's ascent to the
presidency just escalated the phenomenon by helping to launch the tea
party wing, whose mission was getting him out of office.
According to Emory University professor Alan Abramowitz, who has
studied the tea party for years, that ultra-conservative activist
segment now dominates the Republican Party.
Tea party folks donate more money, attend more meetings and rallies,
and pester elected officials more than other party regulars. They are
rabidly against abortion and gay marriage and tend to hold hostile
attitudes toward blacks and gays.
And more than half of Republicans -- 63% of party stalwarts -- consider
themselves supporters of the tea party movement.
That explains why the muscle-flexing of the "new America" in this
election drove party leaders bonkers.
There was Karl Rove on Tuesday night, having a temper tantrum when Fox
News called Ohio -- and the race -- for President Obama. Rove had
funneled hundreds of millions of dollars to Republican candidates and
had very little to show for it.
And there was Bill O'Reilly whining that this country is "not a
traditional America anymore," implying that Republicans value hard
work and fair play, and those other people just "want stuff."
And Morris, excusing his roundly mocked projection of a Romney
landslide by admitting that the "new America" caught him by surprise.
He thought that the election four years ago was nothing but a "one-
off," that voter-turnout demographics would "go back to 2004," he
said.
I guess he figured the groups that cinched Obama's first term --
minorities, women, young people -- were only there for the party.
Which means Republicans weren't beaten only by arithmetic this time.
They lost through willful blindness.
------------
Hear, hear! See, see!
Must I cut n paste and cross-post so much?
--
Karma ; what a concept!
Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:28:59 -0800, MattB <trdell1...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >There has been no dearth of post-election Republican
> >self-flagellation.
> >
> >Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, on the eve of heading out to a meeting of
> >Republican governors in Las Vegas, warned the GOP to "stop being the
> >stupid party." At the gathering Wednesday night, he leveled more harsh
> >criticism at party presidential candidate Mitt Romney.
> >
> >Ronald Reagan biographer and conservative adviser Craig Shirley
> >derided his party's message as incoherent "at best."
>
>
> I've been telling you that for months.....
and; is this old news or what?
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-banks-campaign-20121110,0,3895511
,full.column
* Column: Reality Crashes the Republican Party *
For Republicans wondering what went wrong, it's not a matter of
fine-tuning a message or finding minority candidates; the problem is
a platform that staked out the far-right fringe on many issues.
by Sandy Banks
November 9, 2012, 4:04 p.m.
It turns out this presidential election wasn't so much about race
after all, but about something bigger, more fundamental and harder to
ignore. And there's a lesson here for shellshocked Republicans, still
wondering how things went so wrong:
It's time to drop that "Take our country back" stuff and take your
party back instead.
Barack Obama's romp took many by surprise. Even as Obama votes piled
up on Tuesday night, political operative Dick Morris, who has worked
both sides of the aisle, kept predicting a Mitt Romney landslide.
It's hard to argue with the demographic dimensions of Obama's victory.
He won in almost every category of voters except senior citizens and
white men.
That's led to lots of head-banging for GOP pundits: Romney might have
won, they say, if he had eased up on illegal immigration and found a
running mate who could attract Latinos or draw votes in swing states.
But this is not a matter of fine-tuning the message or rustling up a
candidate with brown skin or serviceable Spanish.
The problem is a platform that staked out the far-right fringe on so
many issues that it turned off immigrants, women, minorities, single
mothers, young people, gays and lesbians.
The images of winners and losers on election night said it all: the
Norman Rockwell tableau in Romney's sullen Boston ballroom versus the
kaleidoscopic diversity of Obama's Chicago victory montage.
The America the Republicans want is not the one we have.
Conventional wisdom would credit the win to smart campaigning and
coalition-building.
According to exit polls, support for Obama came from 93% of blacks,
71% of Latinos, 73% of Asian Americans, 76% of gays and lesbians, 60%
of voters under 30 and 55% of women.
But that is not your classic ideological coalition, with shared
interests and concerns. That's a collection of folks alienated, over
time, by Republicans and their mission to return America to an era
when some people had it really good -- and whole groups of others had
to settle for leftovers.
Voters carried those slights and insults to the voting booth, tired of
being treated with contempt by a party that doesn't seem to understand
their realities.
We're rejecting hypocritical rhetoric: Newt Gingrich, with three
marriages and a string of infidelities, arguing that allowing gays to
wed violates the sanctity of marriage.
Women heard a wake-up call in Todd Akin's remarks about rape shutting
a woman's body down. That kind of idiocy is frightening, and it brings
clarity to what's at stake in the debate over abortion.
And young people rebelled at being written off as society's leeches.
They are working full time for poverty wages or desperate for jobs
that don't exist, part of that sponger demographic -- the 47% -- that
Romney privately mocked.
I don't know if it's mean-spirited, shortsighted or simply wishful
thinking, but the Republican Party is pandering to a base that is
rapidly shrinking in a country that's learning to tune them out.
It would be nice to think that this botched campaign reflects the pull
of the party's fringe, and is easily correctable.
But the GOP has been tacking right for decades. Obama's ascent to the
presidency just escalated the phenomenon by helping to launch the tea
party wing, whose mission was getting him out of office.
According to Emory University professor Alan Abramowitz, who has
studied the tea party for years, that ultra-conservative activist
segment now dominates the Republican Party.
Tea party folks donate more money, attend more meetings and rallies,
and pester elected officials more than other party regulars. They are
rabidly against abortion and gay marriage and tend to hold hostile
attitudes toward blacks and gays.
And more than half of Republicans -- 63% of party stalwarts -- consider
themselves supporters of the tea party movement.
That explains why the muscle-flexing of the "new America" in this
election drove party leaders bonkers.
There was Karl Rove on Tuesday night, having a temper tantrum when Fox
News called Ohio -- and the race -- for President Obama. Rove had
funneled hundreds of millions of dollars to Republican candidates and
had very little to show for it.
And there was Bill O'Reilly whining that this country is "not a
traditional America anymore," implying that Republicans value hard
work and fair play, and those other people just "want stuff."
And Morris, excusing his roundly mocked projection of a Romney
landslide by admitting that the "new America" caught him by surprise.
He thought that the election four years ago was nothing but a "one-
off," that voter-turnout demographics would "go back to 2004," he
said.
I guess he figured the groups that cinched Obama's first term --
minorities, women, young people -- were only there for the party.
Which means Republicans weren't beaten only by arithmetic this time.
They lost through willful blindness.
------------
Hear, hear! See, see!
Must I cut n paste and cross-post so much?
--
Karma ; what a concept!
Dänk 42Ø
Nov 16, 2012, 1:40:49 PM11/16/12
to
Bush, after all he really was too stupid to commit the crimes he is
accused of. Cheney was Bush's puppetmaster, he is the one who should
have been impeached, but legally it was Bush who was responsible for the
lies about Iraqi WMDs and the illegal warrantless wiretapping.
But if Bush is so innocent and unfairly maligned by the liberal media,
why does the Republican Party try to pretend his presidency never
existed? I attended a Tea Party rally as an observer several years ago
(Glenn Beck's "September 12" publicity stunt), and Bush's name was not
uttered once. The presence of the Libertarian Party among the flag-
waving Becktards disgusted me, another reason (in addition to its running
"former" Republicans as its candidates) I no longer support that party.
> Just look at the difference in the coverage of Sandy and Katrina. If
> Bush or any other republican were in office they'd be smearing him into
> the ground over Sandy, but cover for Hussein with all they've got.
Bush over Katrina. He was not responsible for the inaction of the mayor
of New Orleans. He was responsible, however, for authorizing the ILLEGAL
warrantless wiretapping program. Sure, it was Cheney who typed up the
document and handed it to his drunken boss to sign, but it is Bush's
signature on it. And your claim that it wasn't really illegal doesn't
hold water, since Congress felt compelled to legalize it retroactively
and grant immunity to the telecom companies who participated it in.
Legal actions don't require immunity. The former Senator from Illinois
voted to amend the FISA law, meaning Chairman Obama can now spy on YOU
legally with no fear of impeachment. The problem with sacrificing a
little liberty in the name of security is that you never get it back.
Eddie Haskell
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The idea that Bush lied about WMDs is ludicrous. Too many people in both
parties and people world wide would have to have been in on it.
Stop playing into democrat hands with that crap.
> But if Bush is so innocent and unfairly maligned by the liberal media,
> why does the Republican Party try to pretend his presidency never
> existed?
Because he was smeared into the ground and people believe the shit thanks to
people like you.
> I attended a Tea Party rally as an observer several years ago
> (Glenn Beck's "September 12" publicity stunt), and Bush's name was not
> uttered once.
See above.
> The presence of the Libertarian Party among the flag-
> waving Becktards
Oh, fuck off.
You are AWOL when it comes to saving this country.
parties and people world wide would have to have been in on it.
Stop playing into democrat hands with that crap.
> But if Bush is so innocent and unfairly maligned by the liberal media,
> why does the Republican Party try to pretend his presidency never
> existed?
people like you.
> I attended a Tea Party rally as an observer several years ago
> (Glenn Beck's "September 12" publicity stunt), and Bush's name was not
> uttered once.
> The presence of the Libertarian Party among the flag-
> waving Becktards
You are AWOL when it comes to saving this country.
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