How many times has McCain been to afghanistan/Iraq?? Is he supposed to
tag along behind the Magic Negro and hold his nutts up out the hot
sand??
Sounds like a job that you'd enjoy.
HeeHee.
I'd like to do the same thing to his "nutts" as Jesse Jackson.
McCain has been there, done that long before Osama Obama ever thought
about it.
Osama Obama is simply an empty racists suit with big ears. No
disrespect intended to suit hangers or donkeys.
McCain and Harilly Clinton Have both been to Iraq many times asshole.
And yes I've seen both of them with my own eyes since I was in Iraq
when they were there. Take your America hatred and your empty suit
coward Obama and fuck yourself!!!!!!
AMEN !!!
>...America hatred...
Do you dislike all of the US Constitution or just parts of it?
Yeah, yeah. You just love his "nutts." Get over it.
Does your whore of a mother regret not aborting you some of the time
or all of the time?
>...whore of a mother ...
Don't try to blame your parenting, or lack thereof, for your
inability to respect the US Constitution.
What the fuck kind of question is this? I gave an oath(my life) to
the constitution. Whether or not I agree or dislike parts of it is a
moot point. I think the Constitution is an awesome document. I thought
that eve before I joined the army. Seeing Iraq become a free nation
before my very eyes made me apprieciate the US and its freedom even
more. Now I know you'll come back with some rehearsed answear to put
me in some Liberal trap. But before ya do that, you must know that I
am proud of my sevice,proud of my president and proud to serve the
American people. Even assholes like you!
Today is Sunday.
McCain is a Christian.
Christians generally take Sunday off, because God said so.
Obama is OBVIOUSLY NOT a Christian.
I guess its true that he's a Muslim.
Thanks for reminding us.
We'll remember that when we vote in November.
8 times.
How many times has McCain worn Muslim clothing? Zero...
How many times has Obama worn Muslim clothing? At least once....
8 times...
Does Jesse love the Messiah's nutts??
You'll notice Hussein got REAL quiet during Ramadan. Coincidence?? Me
thinks not.
You can't have it both ways.
I mean, I know you're very stupid but you can choose one??
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On Jul 20, 9:08 am, "jjm1...@aol.com" <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jul 19, 7:46 pm, MuttonJeff <hoofhearte...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 19, 5:32 pm, "jjm1...@aol.com" <jjm1...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 19, 4:29?pm, MuttonJeff <hoofhearte...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>... I gave an oath(my life) to
>the constitution [sic].
So you lied when you did that.
>... Seeing Iraq become a free nation
It isn't. Millions of its innocent civilians have been forced from
their homes and murdered. Their oil is being stolen from them.
They want the invaders out but can't get them to leave.
>... some Liberal trap...
Hitler and Stalin hated liberals. Is that the only thing you admire
about them, or is there a lot more to that?
>... to serve the
>American people ...
You haven't done that by supporting the way Bush and Cheney
defy the US Constitution and rob American taxpayers with their
illegal invasions.
>... assholes like ...
You like assaulting helpless innocent people for lies, don't you.
Anybody seen the videos of Osama Obama in Afghanistan? Notice the
folks in the back ground. Almost all black. They can hardly get
anyone else to come see him. The military does not like Osama Obama,
they don't want to be around him.
Osama Obama is just an empty racists suit with big ears. No disrespect
They don't want to get near him for fear of a rocket attack. We are'nt
the only ones that hate the bastard. Even Jesse Jackson wants to
castrate the arrogant cocksucker.
More proof.....
There it is.
ahhhhhhhh,no
>
> >... Seeing Iraq become a free nation
>
> It isn't. Millions of its innocent civilians have been forced from
> their homes and murdered.
They weren't murdered and they are returning in droves its part of the
problem over there
Their oil is being stolen from them.
wrong again they have total control of the fields and are selling it
on the market
> They want the invaders out but can't get them to leave.
I admire the national pride that has taken over Iraq and we will very
directly start pulling out combat troops. Security troops will
continue to rotate in and out for awhile. Your hero Barack supports
this and I happen to agree with him.
>
> >... some Liberal trap...
>
> Hitler and Stalin hated liberals. Is that the only thing you admire
> about them, or is there a lot more to that?
I admire nothing about these two people. Funny how you brought them up
and I didn't. I knew there was a liberal trap somewhere, and not a
very good one.
>
> >... to serve the
> >American people ...
>
> You haven't done that by supporting the way Bush and Cheney
> defy the US Constitution
This war had support in both houses of congress
BTW its funny how you acknowledge that Iraq wants the invaders out,yet
you fail to realize that Iraq would not be in any position to demand
that if not for American Liberation. Do you think all those free
elections happened without us? If so enjoy the parallel universe you
live in.
and rob American taxpayers with their
> illegal invasions.
Taxpayers are robbed all the time especially when liberals like
yourself are in power so get off your high horse it doesn't fit you.
>
> >... assholes like ...
>
> You like assaulting helpless innocent people for lies, don't you.
No I don't . I like to assualt bad guys who are hurting innocent
people. A stable and free Iraq is a very positive force in the Middle
East. Whats killing people like you is you've done nothing to get it
that way. But ya piss all over everybody who does. All this crap about
Iraqis being abused when ya didn't give two shits about them being
abused by Saddam. I hate war. I hate the thought of having to kill
somebody ( I never drew my weapon once in Iraq) But I didn't make the
rules of the world and I can't change them either and niether can you.
There will be wars going on long after we're gone. I'm at peace with
my desicion to join the Army and go to Iraq. My desicion is something
I can live with. Your decision to stay on the sidelines and boo the
hometeam is something you are having trouble living with. Its always
the same with people like you. You twist everything. You accuse people
like me of murder when you have absolutly no proof of such a thing.
You compare people who would die for your freedom to Stalin and
Hitler. Are you sick? No I don't think so. I believe you are depressed
and depression is hatred turned inward. I'm not a perfect man. But I'm
a good man. I strive to be the best I can be and I think I get close
sometimes. Glad I don't have your problems.
Are you retarded?
>They weren't murdered
Well, not to those of you who have no respect
for the rule of law or any other fundamentals
of civilization, no, but Bush was planning his
terrorism and murders of Iraqis since long
before 9/11 (with which Iraq had nothing
whatsoever to do).
>and they are returning in droves ...
On what would that belief be based?
http://www.refugeesinternational.org/content/article/detail/9679
>wrong again they have total control of the fields and are selling it
>on the market
On what would that belief be based?
http://www.handsoffiraqioil.org/
>> They want the invaders out but can't get them to leave.
>
>I admire the national pride that has taken over Iraq and we will very
>directly start pulling out combat troops.
Iraq was never any threat to the USA whatsoever,
and those troops never should have been sent there.
>...Your hero ...
You don't speak for me: I'm an American.
Your hero is Bush, the "Heir to the Holocaust".
You're not on the USA's side when you support
those who rob and betray it with lies and defy
its Constitution.
>I admire
You don't seem qualified to assess others well
enough for your opinions of that nature to
be of significance except as a bad example.
>... liberal ...
Hitler and Stalin hated liberals, as I'd mentioned.
How much more do you have in common with
those ideologies?
>This war had support in both houses of congress [sic]
They were deceived.
What a shame for you that you don't know right
from wrong and that lying is wrong.
>BTW its [sic] funny
You laugh when Iraqi kids get their limbs burned
off, though.
>... Iraq wants the invaders out,yet
>you fail to realize that Iraq would not be in any position to demand
>that if not for American Liberation.
They didn't get liberated, they got occupied.
You seem to have serious problems with English.
When you rape a hadji child, do you claim that the
child's pleas for you to stop wouldn't have been
possible had you not started raping that child, too?
>... all those free
>elections happened without ...
They happened without millions of Iraqis, and
without freedom, though.
>... enjoy the parallel universe ...
You got all scared believing the lie about WMD,
didn't you.
>Taxpayers are robbed all the time
If you had any ethics or morals, you'd not try to
use that as an excuse for taxpayer robbery.
>No I don't . I like to assualt bad guys
Yet you only attack innocents. No one in Iraq
had been found guilty of any crime against the
USA in any court.
You don't believe in the rule of law because you
are cowardly and thus mindlessly violent.
Now that you're stateside, are you beating up on
women and children in your mistaken belief that
you would be a suitable judge/jury/executioner?
>... hurting innocent
>people
Your idols Bush and Cheney are doing exactly that,
and since the victims are helpless, you jumped in.
>...A stable and free Iraq
It will need to get Bush's illegal invasion out.
It's unconstitutional, but you don't care about that.
>... killing people like you is ...
It's a distinct possibility that since you have no qualms
about killing innocent people there you'll have no qualms
about killing innocent people here or anywhere else.
>... piss all over ... All this crap ...
Isn't anyone there to change your diaper?
Your thuggery in Iraq is an insult to the memory of the
victims of 9/11, who got no justice from that.
>Iraqis being abused when ya didn't give two shits about them being
>abused by Saddam.
Bush and Cheney abuse them far more and kill them faster,
so obviously you admire Saddam and want to be like him
when you go there to abuse Iraqis.
>I hate war.
Prove it.
>... But I didn't make the
>rules of the world
The founders of the USA didn't take that attitude, but you
despise them.
>There will be wars
Two (or more) wrongs don't make a right.
Weren't you ever even taught that much?
>my desicion [sic] .... My desicion [sic]
You don't make decisions. You're manipulated.
If you could make a decision, it should be to learn English
and start reading up on reality, even begin to think about it.
>... stay on the sidelines and boo the
>hometeam
You do that because you're too cowardly to defend
the US Constitution from fascists who defy it.
>... have absolutly [sic] no proof ...
Yet you support the murders of Iraqis anyway.
>You compare people who would die for your freedom
You haven't and won't do jack shit for my freedom,
and don't even want me to be able to dissent against
those traitors who enslave you.
>.... I believe ...
If you weren't so weakminded you could learn facts instead.
>...depressed
>and depression is hatred turned inward. I'm ...
I support getting you the treatment you need for your PTSD.
>... problems.
Your belief that you or anyone else would be all good or all
bad is no excuse for your desire to harm innocent people.
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 08:34:21 -0700 (PDT), n...@epix.net wrote:
>... I gave an oath(my life) to
>the constitution [sic].
So you lied when you did that.
>... Seeing Iraq become a free nation
It isn't. Millions of its innocent civilians have been forced from
their homes and murdered. Their oil is being stolen from them.
They want the invaders out but can't get them to leave.
>... some Liberal trap...
Hitler and Stalin hated liberals. Is that the only thing you admire
about them, or is there a lot more to that?
>... to serve the
>American people ...
You haven't done that by supporting the way Bush and Cheney
defy the US Constitution and rob American taxpayers with their
illegal invasions.
>... assholes like ...
You like assaulting helpless innocent people for lies, don't you.
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 08:08:41 -0700 (PDT), n...@epix.net wrote:
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You are a VERY disturbed person. This post really proves my point
about people like you. You are so full of hatred I almost feel sorry
for you. I said almost!
>... a VERY disturbed person ...
That's your best excuse for your support of war criminals.
In Hitler's day you'd have been a "Good German".
>... so full of hatred I ...
You must really hate America and Americans to fall in with
the fascist traitors Bush and Cheney.
For all we (and you) know he's just another hate filled racist elitist.
I think you are giving "hate filled racist elitist" a bad rap
comparing them to this cat. It never ceases to amaze me how bad the
internet has gotten. Its a place where emotional unstable people can
go off without consequece. He accuses me of war cimes which I never
commited. I followed Geneva to the letter. He accuses me of rape, I
take offense to that considering two women in my family were brutally
raped. He compares me to Hitler, who my grandfather fought against.
It used to be fun coming in here and it still is sometimes cuz people
post links to news articles I may have missed. But this garbage from
above poster is whats driving me and others out of Usenet. Its a
shame too. I have abut 400 pix from Iraq Hugh. Let me know if you are
interested ,I'll try to link them somewhere on here.
Best wishes
nm
Yup, it is a shame. In the last few years alt.politics is being
overpopulated by the gurly boys that consumed waaaaayy too much
estrogen from the water supplys and still harbor a vapid hatred for
Bush. The really scarrrrrrry part is these people vote.
I appreciate your service to our country even though the kool-aid
drinkers still think all military vets are baby killers and war
criminals.
Lemme see if I got this correct...
YOU'RE posting through AOL and asking somebody else, anybody else, if
THEY are retarded?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA!!!
Next time he goes to either he should be kept there on a "stop
loss" order so HE can learn what the troops he supports are going
thru.
And he still thinks Iran is arming Al Queda. Do we need someone
THAT ignorant in the White House?
And your hero Obama wants to send more troops to Afghanistan. My
question to you is: Have you decided which branch of the military you
will sign up for if he wins in Nov?
McCain had the easy life of a carrier pilot. What would he know
about spending nights in foxholes and being forced to patrol
neighborhoods where all the locals hate him? Boy are you naive.
And what would YOU know about it?
---How many times has he been to Czechoslovakia?
Thanks for the confirmation.
They have been.
You poor dumb schmuck. You think McCain DOES'NT know what the soldiers
are going through?? I bet you think Hussein does.
So spending 5 1/2 years in a north vietnamese prison camp getting his
bones broken on a weekly basis is better than spending nights in
foxholes "where people hate him"????? I hope when you posted that
nonsense you had your tongue stuck firmly in your cheek. If not then
somebody needs to call 911 and get you in a straightjacket PRONTO !!
I'm still looking for that elusive 57th. state.
----Ah, 3 to 1...I like those odds....oh, lets not forget how safe that
Baghdad marketplace was...that's 4 to one, and counting.....
Seriously, just how stupid are you?
And to be fair, Obama was referring to the 57 primaries
(which there are). What was McCain referring to in labelling
Vladimir Putin as "president of Germany"?
10 signs you might be a Taliban
10. You refine heroin for a living, but you have a moral objection to
beer.
9. You own a $300 machine gun and a $5,000 rocket launcher, but you
can't afford shoes.
8. You have more wives than teeth.
7. You think vests come in two styles: bullet-proof and suicide.
6. You can't think of anyone you haven't declared Jihad against.
5. You consider television dangerous, but routinely carry ammunition
in your robe.
4. You've never been asked, "Does this burka make my ass look big?"
3. You were amazed to discover that cell phones have uses other than
setting off roadside bombs.
2. A common compliment is, "I love what you've done with your cave."
And, the Number 1 sign you might be a member of the Taliban:
1. You wipe your ass with your bare hand, but consider bacon unclean.
When has "fairness" EVER been a factor in ANYTHING you've ever
written?
Aren't you the same person who repeated, and publicly, spent YEAR,
(literally YEARS) calling me a liar, because when discussing John
Kerry pathetic academic record, I mixed up Harvard and Yale?
Why is it that when I make an honest, minor and easy to make mistake,
I'm a liar - but when Mr. magna cum laude from Harvard can't remember
how many states there are in a country he intends to lead, you fall
over yourself to offer excuses?
BTW, did you hear about Mr. magna cum laude said yesterday about Pearl
Harbor? He's under the impression that the sneak attack consisted of
ONE bomb. Of course, why would he know about such things? After all,
he only grew up in Hawaii!!!!!
And Barry's book learnin' is his strong suit, huh?
For years, he did blow, coke and drank himself into oblivian.
It took him five tries to come with a lie as convincing as "I sat in
Trinity Church for twenty years without realizing that Wright was
'over the line'".
Five tries....
Everything you've falsely accused Bush of being, Obama is.
PLUS, Obama is an America hating traitor.
You can add that one to the list, right after his claim that I've used
some 100 different names. After I used his own BS cite to demonstrate
his claim to be incorrect, he vanished with a case of the crickets.
Is that what the teach in the Hawaiian madrassa's he attended as a
child?
But,but,but,but,but,but Hussein is the Prince of Peace and he brings
HOPE and,and,and,and CHANGE !!!! Plus he's kinda' "black".
>
> .
>> And to be fair, Obama was referring to the 57 primaries
>> (which there are).
> .
> WHAT????? You have the gall to start any sentence with "...and to be
> fair????"
>
Gee, maybe I just don't have the editing skill you do.
Mitchell Holman
"I didn't edit A porn comic, I edited THE porn comic:
Penthouse Comix, the finest pornographic comic book in
history."
BVallely, Feb 26, 2008.
Oh dear.
Was that YOU (nob...@nowhere.com) posting Carrot-Top sex tapes
online?
You DO get around, "nobody".........;)
http://nntpsearch.nl/collection/9431146/carrot-top-sex-tape-02-89-10.r00-
yenc/
Add this:
On Wed, 21 May 2008 08:01:45 -0500, Mitchell Holman
<Noe...@comcast.com> wrote:
> Why DID the Bush administration ask the UN to conduct
>a survey in the US?
They didn't. YOU ARE A LIAR.
> Or is this another case where the US will conduct a poll
>and then refuse to release the results?
YOU ARE A LIAR.
The Report was released over a year ago.
YOU ARE A LIAR.
April 2007 US Report to CERD
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/83517.pdf
Never. And he's a LIAR:
I'll make you a deal.
I'll go find out how many times he's been to Czechoslovakia and YOU GO
GET Obama's birth certificate AND his ACTUAL medical records, ok?
OTOH, Democrats spreading lies about Bush's imaginary "drug addiction"
is fair game.
Don't thank ME! YOU humiliated yourself!
Thanks for saving ME the time!
Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!
---Whooee, another right wing kook....a racist turd as well, no doubt...
http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert
AND his ACTUAL medical records, ok?
>
>
---Funny how the Bushbots trashed Grampy in 2000, claiming his mind had
been warped by his POW ordeal, and now believe he's been cured in the
years since then...
BTW, Grampy doesn't seem to realize that there's no Czechoslovakia
anymore, hasn't been for years, and thinks Iraq borders Pakistan....but
then GW thought Africa is a country...and Grecians inhabit Greece...Boy,
you rightards sure admire your dummies, don't ya....
---He said a carrier pilot has an easier life than a grunt in the
bush....and they do....Grampy has no idea what front line grunts go
through....
---Or, in GW's case, going on a binge and paying a nerd to cram for mid
terms in your place....
---OK, thanks, 5 to one...oh, don't forget Grampy thinks Iraq borders
Pakistan.....6 to 1.....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/02/AR2007010201359_pf.html
> >It took him five tries to come with a lie as convincing as "I sat in
> >Trinity Church for twenty years without realizing that Wright was
> >'over the line'".
> >PLUS, Obama is an America hating traitor.
.
> But Killing 4200 American troops by lying is a
> "patriot"?
.
President Bush didn't lie.
BTW, even Obama now admits that we're winning the war.
Now, would you like to comment on Obama's statement regarding his
twenty years among traitors without realizing a thing?
George W. Bush served his country honorable, if not spectacularly, for
six years.
> He went AWOL--(he cannot account for over 1/3 of his
> required meetings, he cannot account for why he refused
> the drug test for the flight physical, he cannot
> account for the sworn testimony of his CO's secretary
> attesting that the "documents in question" were EXACTLY
> the feelings of the CO
.
> He refused to reply to a simple question of time "when
> he could pass a drug test"
.
And you've got a third generation photocopied, twice faxed "memo" that
was created using MSWord in 1973 to prove what you say.
.
> And No one inferred he was an "addict"-->
.
You just did ... twice.
.
BILL "OTOH, Democrats spreading lies about Bush's imaginary "drug
addiction" is fair game."
.
NICK "Bush said it, not me."
"He was an alcoholic (still is)"
.
You humilate yourself everytime you post.
I'm just the facilitator.
"BWAhahahahahahah!" Jesus, you're fucking stupid.
No... Not the FAKE one... The REAL one.
> AND his ACTUAL medical records, ok?
Since you screwed up on the birth certificate I should probably be
MORE CLEAR regarding the medical records...
Medical records are ACTUAL MEDICAL RECORDS. Prescriptions, notes of
doctor visits, examinations, blood tests, etc.
Medical records ARE NOT a 'note' from your Doctor saying you can play
outside with the big boys...
Bvallely = "dead kennedy haters"?
If you going hide behind a childish handle then
pick on and stick with it.
"I have a BS degree and 2 MS degrees."
Patriot Games (Bob Mibly Jr), unproven claim, 05/28/08
> I'm sorry, you must be confused. It was Obama who squandered his
> college years as a "pothead" and "junkie" (his words) without offering
> a moment of military service to his country.
If he can be a junky and come out of college with all his acheivements
(without daddy's help) I'd say more power to him!
>
> George W. Bush served his country honorable, if not spectacularly, for
> six years.
>
When Vallely tells a lie.. he doesn't fuck around... lol.
> dead kennedy haters <bval...@aol.com> wrote in news:ecdd868e-b1ee-49e7-
> b490-38a...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>
> > .
> >> >> And to be fair, Obama was referring to the 57 primaries
> >> >> (which there are).
> > .
> >> > WHAT????? You have the gall to start any sentence with "...and to be
> >> > fair????"
> > .
> >> Gee, maybe I just don't have the editing skill you do.
> > .
> > I'm not accusing you of being a bad writer - I'm pointing out that
> > you're a massive hypocrite.
> >
> >
>
> Bvallely = "dead kennedy haters"?
>
> If you going hide behind a childish handle then
> pick on and stick with it.
>
Kinda creepy that any "Xian" would profess hatred to dead people, IMO.
Watch now while Billy pulls a bible verse out of his ass excusing his
horrid behavior
>
>
> Mitchell Holman
>
> "I didn't edit A porn comic, I edited THE porn comic:
> Penthouse Comix, the finest pornographic comic book in
> history."
> BVallely, Feb 26, 2008.
Are there other porn comics?
> But this garbage from
> above poster is whats driving me and others out of Usenet. Its a
> shame too.
Luckily YOU don't do things to inflame things on Usenet.
...quote....
rom: n...@epix.net
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.misc, alt.politics,
alt.politics.democrats.d, alt.politics.liberalism
On Jul 20, 9:20 am, * US * wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:23:17 -0700 (PDT), n...@epix.net wrote:
> >...America hatred...
>
> Do you dislike all of the US Constitution or just parts of it?
Does your whore of a mother regret not aborting you some of the time
or all of the time?
...end quote....
Scratch a rightie and hypocrite blood comes out.
What's even funnier is the way the libkooks spent the last 15 years
covering for the Clintons, making excuses for everything he's guilty
of from rape to the murder of innocent men,women and children at Waco.
Now, they won't give the Clinton's the time of day because they have
set their sights,hopes and future on getting a black man elected
President. Not that this particular "black" man is qualified for the
office but it'll make the libtrash sleep better at night knowing
France does'nt think we're a racist country anymore.
I'm not sure why that changes the fact that you're a massive
hypocrite, though.
The talentless hack, family values, conservative that once edited a porno
mag.
Brilliant.
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Vade contra virum stultum et nescito labia prudentiae.
Proverbs 14:7
.
[Shhhhh...... I'm hiding....]
And you're a conservative who edited a porno comic????
A liar and a hypocrite.
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His glorious war record? Oh, wait, Obama never served a second, did
he?
His powerhouse senate career? Nope, in his three years, Obama has not
put his name on a single significant piece of legislation.
How about major businesses that he's launched and ran to tremendous
hights? Uh-uh,, never done that.
Surely, his time as "community organizer" scored some major
"accomplishments"? You'd think, but sadly not.
And let's not forget slumlord Rezko, and how he bought off Obama.
Obama funded Rezko to create low cost housing:
Grim proving ground for Obama's housing policy
The candidate endorsed subsidies for private entrepreneurs to build
low-income units. But, while he garnered support from developers, many
projects in his former district have fallen into disrepair.
Presidential hopeful, residents' complaints (Boston Globe) At a
dilapidated Chicago housing project, some see problems with Obama's
favored housing policy.
CHICAGO - The squat brick buildings of Grove Parc Plaza, in a dense
neighborhood that Barack Obama represented for eight years as a state
senator, hold 504 apartments subsidized by the federal government for
people who can't afford to live anywhere else.
But it's not safe to live here.
About 99 of the units are vacant, many rendered uninhabitable by
unfixed problems, such as collapsed roofs and fire damage. Mice
scamper through the halls. Battered mailboxes hang open. Sewage backs
up into kitchen sinks. In 2006, federal inspectors graded the
condition of the complex an 11 on a 100-point scale - a score so bad
the buildings now face demolition.
Grove Parc has become a symbol for some in Chicago of the broader
failures of giving public subsidies to private companies to build and
manage affordable housing - an approach strongly backed by Obama as
the best replacement for public housing.
As a state senator, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee
coauthored an Illinois law creating a new pool of tax credits for
developers. As a US senator, he pressed for increased federal
subsidies. And as a presidential candidate, he has campaigned on a
promise to create an Affordable Housing Trust Fund that could give
developers an estimated $500 million a year.
But a Globe review found that thousands of apartments across Chicago
that had been built with local, state, and federal subsidies -
including several hundred in Obama's former district - deteriorated so
completely that they were no longer habitable.
Grove Parc and several other prominent failures were developed and
managed by Obama's close friends and political supporters. Those
people profited from the subsidies even as many of Obama's
constituents suffered. Tenants lost their homes; surrounding
neighborhoods were blighted.
Some of the residents of Grove Parc say they are angry that Obama did
not notice their plight. The development straddles the boundary of
Obama's state Senate district. Many of the tenants have been his
constituents for more than a decade.
"No one should have to live like this, and no one did anything about
it," said Cynthia Ashley, who has lived at Grove Parc since 1994.
Obama's campaign, in a written response to Globe questions, affirmed
the candidate's support of public-private partnerships as an
alternative to public housing, saying that Obama has "consistently
fought to make livable, affordable housing in mixed-income
neighborhoods available to all."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuUfSI_Uy34
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/1/22/11049/2664
He reads well of a teleprompter, but then, so did Ted Baxter.
Seriously - what "acomplishments" are you talking about?
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> > George W. Bush served his country honorable, if not spectacularly, for
> > six years.
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> When Vallely tells a lie.. he doesn't fuck around... lol.
Oh, that's right - you guys have a 1973 memo that was typed using
MSWord to defend your slander, don't you?
You didn't even realise that he hasn't been in the band for decades.
You're a wagon jumper.
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